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Thanks for the heads up, James, looks interesting.

James, have you seen the Never Sleep Again documentary?

James, have you seen the Never Sleep Again documentary?

One of the things I own that I haven't viewed yet.

I enjoyed "Never Sleep Again". It's a great insight into the making of these films and the folks who created them.

It occurs to me, sadly, that Englund might well be the last true horror icon we get. Can anyone think of anyone since who has the capacity for being such a great spokesperson for the genre? No, this isn't a "all modern horror sucks" rant (though the vast majority does) but it's just a thought about how the industry has changed. It's not bigger than life anymore, and neither are the people who produce it.

One of the things I own that I haven't viewed yet.

Check it out when you can. I keep hoping they make one for the Halloween franchise.

I enjoyed "Never Sleep Again". It's a great insight into the making of these films and the folks who created them.

It occurs to me, sadly, that Englund might well be the last true horror icon we get. Can anyone think of anyone since who has the capacity for being such a great spokesperson for the genre? No, this isn't a "all modern horror sucks" rant (though the vast majority does) but it's just a thought about how the industry has changed. It's not bigger than life anymore, and neither are the people who produce it.

The same people also made the excellent Friday The 13th franchise documentary: Crystal Lake Memories.

He's definitely one of the last, and not just for Freddy. It's still nice seeing him when he shows up in a horror film. A few years ago he was in the horror comedy Jack Brooks Monster Slayer, and he completely stole every scene he was in.

But yeah, and with CGI, special effects artists aren't the rock stars of horror they used to be, back in the 80's guys like Tom Savini and Rick Baker were just as popular as the actors and directors. Thankfully there are still practical effects being used, but you have to go outside of Hollywood to see it.

One more recent movie that really impressed me with its special makeup effects was WolfCop, one of the best werewolf designs I've seen.

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One more recent movie that really impressed me with its special makeup effects was WolfCop, one of the best werewolf designs I've seen.

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Looks kind of fun; I have to ask if the trailer gives away too much before I click on it, though. I have been burned so many times by spoilers inside trailers I am gun shy at this point!

I would say then to skip the trailer, to be safe.

The same people also made the excellent Friday The 13th franchise documentary: Crystal Lake Memories.

He's definitely one of the last, and not just for Freddy. It's still nice seeing him when he shows up in a horror film. A few years ago he was in the horror comedy Jack Brooks Monster Slayer, and he completely stole every scene he was in.

But yeah, and with CGI, special effects artists aren't the rock stars of horror they used to be, back in the 80's guys like Tom Savini and Rick Baker were just as popular as the actors and directors. Thankfully there are still practical effects being used, but you have to go outside of Hollywood to see it.

Thanks for the recommendation, I will check it out if it is available on Netflix.

I have to say I have a strange relationship with the F13 series; I saw about half of them in the theater (4,5,6, and 8), and have seen the rest on cable or cassette. But really that series just was so bad. For me, I just have a hard time with these "murder thons"; they usually feature characters that are unlikable, and a killer that's basically a mindless machine. Nothing against anyone who enjoys them, as I know tons of people do. They just get to be kind of depressing for me; same old plot, plug in new victims and one little gimmick to distinguish it from the rest.

I would say that what comes out in the "Never Sleep Again" doc is the way that Englund is the glue that holds it all together. Those films all had rather different creative visions, expectations, success levels, personalities, etc. But Englund was the consistent force that always, always, made Freddy watchable. Some were definitely better than others (personally, I think the first, part 3, and New Nightmare were the strongest), but Englund's passion for the character and his professionalism did not waver.

I honestly find it sad (but unavoidable) that his reign of horror is over, and I look forward to this "Nightmare in the Makeup Chair". He's a great storyteller and he's got a ton of them!

It was on Netflix streaming the last time I was on there a few days ago.

I'm a huge fan of Friday the 13th 1-5, after that the only film I liked was part 7. But I've seen all of the films on the big screen including Freddy Vs Jason and the remake. It became a tradition to see all of them at the cinema. Part 6 on the series seemed to get sillier and sillier.

Yes, Englund held the franchise together, even the films at its weakest like Freddy's Dead, you can still count on Robert to turn in a great performance. Also the films were a showcase for makeup effects, some of the most artistically creative deaths can be found in the film series.

Robert's book Hollywood Monster is well worth reading.

It was on Netflix streaming the last time I was on there a few days ago.

I'm a huge fan of Friday the 13th 1-5, after that the only film I liked was part 7. But I've seen all of the films on the big screen including Freddy Vs Jason and the remake. It became a tradition to see all of them at the cinema. Part 6 on the series seemed to get sillier and sillier.

Yes, Englund held the franchise together, even the films at its weakest like Freddy's Dead, you can still count on Robert to turn in a great performance. Also the films were a showcase for makeup effects, some of the most artistically creative deaths can be found in the film series.

Robert's book Hollywood Monster is well worth reading.

I think that they had a chance to do something goofy and self-parodying with #8, but they blew it and went all psychological or whatnot.

Also had a chance with Jason X, but it ended up just being "Hey, he's in space! And, he's...still killing young people, one by one...well, OK..."

And as a fan, please weigh in on something my g/f and I were talking about the other night. In Jason Lives, Jason "comes back" as a zombie, right? That indicates that BEFORE that film (2,3, and 4 where he was the active killer) he was "alive" and "not" a zombie, right? So what about the notion that he drowned before the first film, and prompted his mother's revenge spree killing?
Or was he supposed to be a "zombie" in the first film, then "died", only to be revived by lightning in the sixth? And in either case, what MADE him unkillable? He seems to have just been a normal little boy until he drowned; was there something I missed in all those movies? And if he died, how did he come back as a full grown hulking Bigfoot of an adult man?

Or...did his mother just "think" he drowned before the first film, and he survived somehow? If so, why on earth didn't he go back to his mom rather than live in the woods for decades?

Yep, I'm overthinking it, I guess, but I'm interested in your thoughts. I finally said to the g/f that I really think they didn't have an overall mythos in mind and just kind of made Jason whatever they needed to make him for each successive film. But...it's fun to nitpick! :)

p.s. I know this is veering off topic, apologies to the moderator!

I think that they had a chance to do something goofy and self-parodying with #8, but they blew it and went all psychological or whatnot.

Also had a chance with Jason X, but it ended up just being "Hey, he's in space! And, he's...still killing young people, one by one...well, OK..."

And as a fan, please weigh in on something my g/f and I were talking about the other night. In Jason Lives, Jason "comes back" as a zombie, right? That indicates that BEFORE that film (2,3, and 4 where he was the active killer) he was "alive" and "not" a zombie, right? So what about the notion that he drowned before the first film, and prompted his mother's revenge spree killing?
Or was he supposed to be a "zombie" in the first film, then "died", only to be revived by lightning in the sixth? And in either case, what MADE him unkillable? He seems to have just been a normal little boy until he drowned; was there something I missed in all those movies? And if he died, how did he come back as a full grown hulking Bigfoot of an adult man?

Or...did his mother just "think" he drowned before the first film, and he survived somehow? If so, why on earth didn't he go back to his mom rather than live in the woods for decades?

Yep, I'm overthinking it, I guess, but I'm interested in your thoughts. I finally said to the g/f that I really think they didn't have an overall mythos in mind and just kind of made Jason whatever they needed to make him for each successive film. But...it's fun to nitpick! :)

p.s. I know this is veering off topic, apologies to the moderator!

That's one of the popular debates of Friday The 13th, did Jason drown? Lot's of theories. Me personally, I think Jason didn't drown, his mom saw him go down in the water and assumed he did, Jason wasn't found because ended up at the opposite shore, slunk off into the woods and grew up wild. We know he breathes because we can see his breath in part IV when his body is in the freezer. I think he truly died at the hands of Tommy at the end of IV.

And I totally agree! Jason was never meant to be more than Mrs Voorhees' reason for killing in the first one. Then when the first film made so much money, the producers brought in Jason with no explanation other than some of what we hear during the campfire scene.

It's also fun trying to figure out the timeline of the franchise! haha

My daughter and I have had many discussions on this and other incosistancies in horror franchises.:)