View Full Version : The Disappearance of Lisa Bishop
FlorianBourch 01-22-2017, 11:41 AM Lisa Bishop was a young journalist living in Atlanta during 1988. Her boyfriend, Paul Cornwell, ran a club in the area. That's where Lisa first met a German national who called himself Florian Meyer-Bourch.
Lisa Bishop - http://imgur.com/a/XSTpn
Florian Meyer-Bourch (aka David Florian) - http://imgur.com/a/TWKGR
THE FREEDON - http://imgur.com/a/2wys7
At the time, Lisa was planning to write a story about the differences between the economies of America and Haiti. Florian informed Lisa that he was the Captain of a ship, THE FREEDON, which was due to sail to Haiti, and invited her to accompany him on the voyage. She accepted his invitation despite the protestations of her boyfriend and family.
Lisa and Florian left Atlanta and traveled to Miami where THE FREEDON was docked. On the morning of December 17th, 1988 the ship set sail with Lisa, Florian and seven Haitian crew members aboard. No-one has since seen Lisa Bishop.
On Christmas Day, Lisa's family were alarmed that she hadn't called to wish them a Happy Christmas, similarly distraught were the families of the Haitian crew members. They contacted the authorities who did a sweep and found no trace of THE FREEDON. One would assume that it sank.
However, an underwater salvager called Bob Nyberg claims to have seen THE FREEDON in Georgetown Harbor on Grand Cayman Island, 500 miles away from its supposed destination... And two weeks AFTER its disappearance. This was his statement:
"I remembered that while I was working in Grand Cayman in January of that year, there'd been a boat that came in. We were working underwater, directly in the harbor area where the ships pulled up and tied up. When I heard the ship coming in, we came up, and as I was coming out of the water, we looked back and noticed that the name was Freedon. F-R-E-E-D-O-N. And I made a statement to my friend, that those guys need their freedom, they can't even spell the word. They were there for some time that afternoon. The next morning the boat was gone."
Lisa's boyfriend seized upon this lead and, along with Bob Nyberg, he traveled to Grand Cayman to investigate the it. Whilst there, the two spoke with witnesses who claim to have seen the mysterious Florian Meyer-Bourch in the company of a Haitian man called "Phillipe". It should be noted that this "Phillipe" character was the one who chartered the ship for its journey to Haiti.
Paul Cornwell then traveled to Atlanta to speak with a woman who had been storing Florian's personal possessions, among which he found a picture of "Phillipe" - Paul said this:
The girl told me that he mentioned that he was involved in a large scale smuggling thing, and that something had gone wrong, and that they had gotten involved in something too deep that Lisa didn't know about and couldn't handle it. I feel that if Florian is out there, eventually, I'll find out about it, and I'll locate him.
Many theories exist as to the disappearance of Lisa Bishop.
1.) Lisa was a victim of human trafficking and was sold into slavery. Perhaps. But why would Florian trouble himself by travelling to Atlanta in order to persuade one woman to join him?
2.) The Freedon sank and all people aboard died. This conflicts with the testimony of Bob Nyberg and the eye-witnesses who saw Bourch in the company of the man later identified as Phillipe.
3.) The Freedon was used to smuggle drugs, a deal went sour and Lisa as well as the 7 Haitian crew members were killed. Perhaps, but why was Florian spared?
Ultimately, Florian Meyer-Bourch is the key to unlocking this mystery. He must have had a family. Why did they not come forward to aid in the investigation? Was he estranged? Or do they know that he is alive?...
There are unconfirmed and unsubstantiated reports that THE FREEDON is now called THE FREELIANT. Such a claim is difficult to substantiate unless one has eyes and ears in all of the Caribbean harbors.
What are your theories concerning this mystery?
LakeForestPI 01-22-2017, 03:58 PM Who in their right mind would write a story about the differences between the US and Haitian economies? That is absurd on the face of it. I cant believe an editor would actually endorse such a waste of time and money
LooksLikeCRicci 01-23-2017, 02:54 PM Many theories exist as to the disappearance of Lisa Bishop.
1.) Lisa was a victim of human trafficking and was sold into slavery. Perhaps. But why would Florian trouble himself by travelling to Atlanta in order to persuade one woman to join him?
2.) The Freedon sank and all people aboard died. This conflicts with the testimony of Bob Nyberg and the eye-witnesses who saw Bourch in the company of the man later identified as Phillipe.
3.) The Freedon was used to smuggle drugs, a deal went sour and Lisa as well as the 7 Haitian crew members were killed. Perhaps, but why was Florian spared?
Ultimately, Florian Meyer-Bourch is the key to unlocking this mystery. He must have had a family. Why did they not come forward to aid in the investigation? Was he estranged? Or do they know that he is alive?...
There are unconfirmed and unsubstantiated reports that THE FREEDON is now called THE FREELIANT. Such a claim is difficult to substantiate unless one has eyes and ears in all of the Caribbean harbors.
What are your theories concerning this mystery?
Excellent summary.
I don't think Lisa was lured onto the boat by a murderer. I tend to think she was either caught up in a drug deal gone bad and murdered for what she saw, OR she was a victim of human trafficking and sold into slavery. In any case, I don't believe she is alive today.
Arnold_OldSchool 11-25-2017, 11:26 PM I feel terrible for saying it, but I kind of chuckled when they described how beautiful Lisa was and then how handsome the captain was, before we see Lisa's balding, somewhat frumpy boyfriend. Well done my friend, well done.
sdb4884 11-25-2017, 11:46 PM She was very naive and it cost her life, very much like the case just before it with Adam Hecht.
James T 11-26-2017, 03:00 PM Seems highly likely it sunk-none of the crew have ever turned up, she hasn't turned up & the captain hasn't turned up-even his own parents never heard from him again. Would be quite the feat for him to have hidden for nearly 30 years.
MegtheEgg86 11-27-2017, 12:37 PM I suppose my feeling on the eyewitnesses seeing the Freedon after it disappeared could be ranked in order of likelihood:
1. The ship sank prior to the sighting and the eyewitnesses were mistaken about the time period.
2. The ship sank prior to the sighting and the eyewitnesses were lying about the time period, or about the sighting itself.
3. The ship sank after the eyewitness sighting, with some unknown series of events transpiring prior to that time.
3. The eyewitnesses correctly recalled the time period of the sighting, and one or several members of the crew and/or passenger were perhaps overcome in some act of piracy or violence prior to that time.
charmedsignora 11-27-2017, 02:53 PM What I'd like to think happened is that the ship was hijacked by pirates, or drug dealers, or what have you, and then the seven crew members and Lisa were killed. Florian was taken prisoner for a while, which explains why he was sighted in Grand Cayman, but Florian was eventually killed as well, and then the ship was either sunk or destroyed and sold for scrap.
Huskerz85 11-28-2017, 03:07 PM I've seen this case a few times before but never bothered to dig too much into it until now.
The only thing we know for sure? No evidence of the Freedon, Lisa, Florian or the Haitain crew has ever been found.
That said, you could make the case for almost anything.......Lisa being sold into white slavery, the ship sinking, everyone on board being killed by drug runners/smugglers, you name it. With no actual/substantive evidence, there's nothing to refute any theory one might come up with.
To me, it seems quite easy to disappear (in one way or another) in the Caribbean. If the ship and everyone with it stayed in the region, I would think at least some indication of such would've shown up by now (unless the ship sunk). If not? Well, the Caribbean would provide good cover for anyone who wanted to jet off someplace else and disappear (whether that is Lisa, Florian & the Crew, or some other nefarious party or parties who wanted to abscond with one or all of the above)
Janel "Jaycee" Miller 11-28-2017, 08:08 PM Seems highly likely it sunk-none of the crew have ever turned up, she hasn't turned up & the captain hasn't turned up-even his own parents never heard from him again. Would be quite the feat for him to have hidden for nearly 30 years.
I don't recall ever hearing/reading/seeing Florian's parents side of the story. Do you have a link you can share?
James T 11-29-2017, 02:01 AM I don't recall ever hearing/reading/seeing Florian's parents side of the story. Do you have a link you can share?
Just read that they said he has never contacted them.
Drakken 12-01-2017, 12:58 PM I tried to apply Occam's Razor in the Freedon case. That it sunk with all hands is the likeliest possibility to me. However, I do not discount a piracy attack either.
No one on that boat has ever came forward, not even a member of the Haitian crew. Since the allegations made by Bob Nyberg, no one has come forward either with their own allegations that any of them is still alive. So the likeliest explanation is, everyone who was on the Freedon is dead.
Another possibility I entertain is that the ship was such in poor condition that it reached a critical situation somewhere in the middle of the Caribbean, forcing everyone to abandon ship but all died without being rescued. Freedon remained afloat, was found by smugglers with the cargo, and towed back to port to be either repainted and restored or sold for scrap. That might explain Bob Nyberg's report of the Freedon being in port while no trace of Lisa, Florian, and the others can be found.
The "sexual slavery" theory is ridiculous. The reasoning in the article is sound, in that the purpose of that trip is not primarily to sell Lisa into sexual slavery. I believe Florian simply seduced Lisa, who was obviously swooned by him, and offered her to come with him intending to hook up with her during the trip. Everyone knew Lisa was to be with Florian on the Freedon. I do not believe Florian had any criminal intent against her. Taking a young white female with them is a liability, and would put a spotlight on them if something happened to her.
If they were attacked by pirates, that they would capture Lisa to have their way with her or ransom her is likelier than Florian offering her to save his hide. But since we do not have any real knowledge of Florian's personality, this remains merely speculative.
While piracy remains a threat in the Caribbean it is no longer as prevalent as in the 1600-1700s, especially in the Northern part of the sea. We are not in the Golden Age of Piracy anymore and the Northern Caribbean is patrolled. However, the Freedon was a sieve barely in seaworthy condition and lightly-manned, so I can see it being the target of an attack of opportunity.
http://maritime-connector.com/wiki/piracy/
justins5256 12-01-2017, 01:07 PM I tried to apply Occam's Razor in the Freedon case. That it sunk with all hands is the likeliest possibility to me. However, I do not discount a piracy attack either.
No one on that boat has ever came forward. Since the allegations made by Bob Nyberg, no one has come forward either with their own allegations that any of them is still alive. So the likeliest explanation is, everyone who was on the Freedon is dead.
Another possibility I entertain is that the ship was such in poor condition that it reached a critical situation somewhere in the middle of the Caribbean, forcing everyone to abandon ship but all died without being rescued. Freedon remained afloat, was found by smugglers with the cargo, and towed back to port to be either repainted and restored or sold for scrap. That might explain Bob Nyberg's report of the Freedon being in port while no trace of Lisa, Florian, and the others can be found.
That is a very interesting angle I had not considered before.
With regard to Nyberg, I always thought the sighting was credible largely due to his recollection of the unique name of the ship and also the fact that around that same time witnesses on the island reported seeing Florian. I just wonder if the dates on this are wrong and the sightings occurred sometime in the weeks before the Freedon set sail on her final voyage.
James T 12-01-2017, 03:20 PM I have wondered if there was a similar looking ship called The Freedom or something similar that was mistaken for it.
justins5256 12-02-2017, 08:16 AM I have wondered if there was a similar looking ship called The Freedom or something similar that was mistaken for it.
Maybe they saw the Freedom II....
rhzunam 08-11-2018, 08:11 PM Just saw the case again in UM. To me the way the covered it, it's almost an embodiment of the Patrice O'Neal set about "racism and who white women are treated" from his big special. 9 people disappear and it all revolves around the white woman. Florian is a suspect but at least he gets a name, nothing is almost mentioned about the 7 Haitians in the crew. They were a total afterthought. It would be insane that if Florian was hesitant to go because of the seas, and only did so because Lisa said it was the only time she could go, that the ship sank because of that. So those Haitian crew member would have died because of her wanting to go that day and now not only are they dead but all the situation surrounding the case revolves around her.
I can't blame the family or the boyfriend or even the authorities but this case was gross from UM. Even from the start, all the talk about the dangers of the Caribbean, it was all in relation to "how dangerous it is too white women americans". To not even show the least concern for the Haitian crew or their families (same to some people in other places and how they talk about the case" was a low point for UM, which unfortunately was common (Ricardo Caputo comes to mind).
Guitar 11-09-2018, 11:55 AM For whatever reason, I randomly thought about this case a few minutes ago-- it's haunting. It has another "mysterious informant" who claimed that she had secret information about the case. I remember some creepy anonymous calls in some of these episodes from freaks who get a rise from claiming that they know something secret then hang up. Then the update reveals that the victim who the creepy freak claimed was alive and living in ____ died long before the call was made. Based on the fact that the Haitians' families haven't heard anything from their relatives (and even if criminal circumstances were in play here, someone would have heard something from someone by now) I would place the odds at 99% chance that the ship crashed and they're both dead.
Labonte18 11-09-2018, 12:07 PM I suppose my feeling on the eyewitnesses seeing the Freedon after it disappeared could be ranked in order of likelihood:
1. The ship sank prior to the sighting and the eyewitnesses were mistaken about the time period.
2. The ship sank prior to the sighting and the eyewitnesses were lying about the time period, or about the sighting itself.
3. The ship sank after the eyewitness sighting, with some unknown series of events transpiring prior to that time.
3. The eyewitnesses correctly recalled the time period of the sighting, and one or several members of the crew and/or passenger were perhaps overcome in some act of piracy or violence prior to that time.
Think about.. I can't remember the case name, but it was the little red sports car with the license plates of "Lil Miss"
How many people saw that car? And it wound up buried on the property of the guy who killed her all along.
Eyewitnesses are not reliable for the most part. Some are honestly mistaken.. Others are intentionally full of crap to get their 5 minutes of fame or something.
Todd Mueller 11-09-2018, 02:15 PM Think about.. I can't remember the case name, but it was the little red sports car with the license plates of "Lil Miss"
That was the Lisa Marie Kimmel case, and yes -- I think it is a great example of why you can't always put too much stock in eyewitness accounts.
Eyewitnesses are not reliable for the most part. Some are honestly mistaken.. Others are intentionally full of crap to get their 5 minutes of fame or something.
I think in most cases, people honestly think they are doing the right thing. The problem is that our memories are not always trustworthy. People can be distracted or focused on the wrong things, so when they try to recall later, their memories are not as clear as they should be. Twenty people can all see the same event, yet have vastly different descriptions of what happened.
As you said, in the Lisa Marie Kimmel case, that sheriff's wife said "I saw that car in that place on that day..." She was sure of it, and yet she was wrong.
I don't doubt all eyewitness testimony, but it has to be taken with a grain of salt, especially if the eyewitness has a motive for their story.
Pavo Australis 01-02-2019, 06:44 AM Here's a question: Who saw Lisa off that day? Who went to the dock to wave her off?
"on the Morning of the trip she phoned her mother to say goodbye" - Let's Find Them blog
"We had a long discussion the night before she left, that she had to make her own decisions in life, that I couldn't follow her and take care of her wherever she went." - Paul Cornwell, as quoted on the Crime Watchers forum.
"On December 17th, 1988, at 2:30 in the afternoon tugboats eased the Freedom through the Miami River on its way out to sea." - Let's Find Them blog
Is there proof - police records, etc, not the "I'm good friends with an ex tenant of Paul's" kind of 'proof' - that she ever got on the boat in the first place? Could something have happened to her before she even left? Could Lisa and the Freedon be two different mysteries?
Happy to be rebuffed. Just throwing ideas out there. :)
Huskerz85 01-02-2019, 01:33 PM Here's a question: Who saw Lisa off that day? Who went to the dock to wave her off?
"on the Morning of the trip she phoned her mother to say goodbye" - Let's Find Them blog
"We had a long discussion the night before she left, that she had to make her own decisions in life, that I couldn't follow her and take care of her wherever she went." - Paul Cornwell, as quoted on the Crime Watchers forum.
"On December 17th, 1988, at 2:30 in the afternoon tugboats eased the Freedom through the Miami River on its way out to sea." - Let's Find Them blog
Is there proof - police records, etc, not the "I'm good friends with an ex tenant of Paul's" kind of 'proof' - that she ever got on the boat in the first place? Could something have happened to her before she even left? Could Lisa and the Freedon be two different mysteries?
Happy to be rebuffed. Just throwing ideas out there. :)
This could very well be a possibility (am also happy to be rebuffed), but that would just multiply the mystery. You'd have something happening to Lisa prior to getting to the ship *and* something happening to Florian/the ship/the crew (AFAIK, none have ever been found)
Pavo Australis 01-02-2019, 11:30 PM Indeed! Would have been unfortunate for Florian - on the off chance that he did do something to Lisa before leaving (say, she decided last minute not to go and he freaked out) - for him and the whole crew to then disappear! "I've got the best alibi! ...oh, hell."
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