ScaryFog
09-12-2016, 07:28 PM
Burke Ramsey was on Dr.Phil today. FYI, part 2 is on tomorrow as well.
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View Full Version : Burke Ramsey on Dr.Phil 9/12 and 9/13. ScaryFog 09-12-2016, 07:28 PM Burke Ramsey was on Dr.Phil today. FYI, part 2 is on tomorrow as well. JC1957 09-12-2016, 10:12 PM And that guy is creepy to say the least. ScaryFog 09-12-2016, 11:24 PM And that guy is creepy to say the least. Watching part 1, Burke was smiling and laughing through out the whole thing. It was just odd. gidgetgrape 09-13-2016, 12:53 AM I know everyone expresses grief differently, but his upbeat attitude throughout the interview was disturbing. Steve W. 09-13-2016, 04:20 AM I watched "Part 1" this past day as well. I can see why he might have wanted to avoid interviews for nearly the last 20 years. He did not do or say anything that made himself or his parents look any less guilty. He kept looking away from Phil McGraw all the time during the Q&A, as well as doing the aforementioned sort-of-smiling while he was talking about his sister's murder. Steve W. 09-13-2016, 05:01 PM This drawn-out-for-ratings interview is making me lean towards Burke being the initial culprit (at least as far as knocking JonBenet unconscious), as opposed to Patsy or John. Mb37985 09-13-2016, 05:25 PM I don't think this interview will do him or the family any favors. Burke should have continued to remain quiet. I found it especially hard to watch him smirk while recalling his mother storm into his room and say "where is my baby." You'd think a memory of something like that would evoke sadness and pain especially since both are now gone. Cori aka ChrisSCrush 09-13-2016, 09:19 PM This drawn-out-for-ratings interview is making me lean towards Burke being the initial culprit (at least as far as knocking JonBenet unconscious), as opposed to Patsy or John. Absolutely. The only time he looked in the least unhappy or uncomfortable (at least in Part 2--I haven't seen Part 1--) was when Dr. Phil showed him the childhood interview of himself saying Patsy was a good mother who treated the children equally. Either it's true and he misses Patsy, or it's not true and he's uncomfortable seeing himself tell such a lie to cover up either for what his mother or he did. Also really creepy was an image of the family exiting JonBenét's funeral, which showed Patsy smiling slightly and Burke smiling widely! ScaryFog 09-13-2016, 09:58 PM Part 2 was just as odd. The guy smiles and laughs at every question. Next monday is Part 3. He probably should have remained silent, or at least by now, learned how to appear a little more normal. battlestarhero 09-13-2016, 11:35 PM Did I hear his interview correctly that he got out of bed that night to go downstairs to play with a toy when everyone was asleep? If that's the case, did Jon Bonet join him? Is that when they ate the pineapple and have iced tea and left it out as kids do.Lastly, where is the intruder and what was he doing, or is there one at all? Mb37985 09-14-2016, 12:40 AM Burke's demeanor is certainly odd, but I also noticed he was smiling in the footage of him being interviewed at age nine days after the murder and at the funeral. Also the glass of iced tea had a tea bag in it. I don't know any kids that would make themselves that kind of beverage. 88keys 09-16-2016, 11:06 AM Some people have been speculating that he has some form of Autism and maybe that's why he has the creepy smiling demeanor. I didn't see the interview and don't know enough about Autism to say- just throwing it out there. Steve W. 09-23-2016, 01:27 AM Maybe he does have some kind of disorder or disability but regardless of that, after watching both the CBS Special and Dr. Phil interview (with other related clips shown as well), I am convinced that he was the perpetrator. I don't think it was Patsy, I don't think it was John, I think it was Burke. However, Patsy and John obviously covered it up for him and staged the murder scene (pretending to find her later that morning in the basement, as if someone had broken through one of the windows down there and killed her). 1990 UM fan 09-23-2016, 03:28 AM The reasons why Burke Ramsey is "strange" is because of scrutiny since the day his sister was killed. Whether or not he committed the murder, the accusations have made him socially awkward. He might also have Asperger's, which makes one a little unusual to others (I have it and have been ostracized my entire life because of it), coupled with the fact he is bisexual (which may make people deem him "unusual" because of prejudice against non-heterosexuals, thus might be shunned by others because of those two factors). I don't think he or his family will ever catch a break, because the investigation was bungled since the day it happened and most believe he or one (or both) parents killed JonBenet. Contaminated evidence, cover-ups and the whole nine yards you can think of, and that is why most of us believe the Ramseys did this, dirtied the scene and the investigation, and then paid off the higher-ups to keep themselves and/or Burke out of trouble. My mom and I were talking about JonBenet's murder the other day, and I explained to her, that if Burke did do it, and was prosecuted back then as a kid for his own sister's murder, then he would have been put in juvenile detention until he was 18, whereas if he was convicted now as an adult, he'd be in prison for life, so I don't see why the parents would have covered it up like they did if Burke wasn't going to be locked up for the rest of his life, that saying IF he did do it. I feel bad for the girl, she would be my age today and who knows what she would be like and what she would be doing now. Makes me sad. 88keys 09-24-2016, 09:58 PM How do you know he is bisexual? Did he say that in the interview? dynoguy88 09-24-2016, 10:22 PM Don't know how much truth there is to this but I heard on the radio this week that the only reason Burke did this interview was because it was the family's response to the two part CBS special that was coming out at the same time. It was some sort of attempt on their part to show his innocence. But their plan seems to have backfired because the majority response from the public (at least according to twitter) is that Burke is incredibly creepy and he did himself no favors. The more telling video to me is the one where he is interviewed by the child psychologist less than a week after JonBenet's murder. He is so incredibly upbeat, constantly laughing, acting like life is completely normal. There is no sadness on his part that his sister is gone and the hell his family was currently going through. He never once shows any fear that the possible intruder could return to his home and kill again. THAT would be the logical reaction of a child who's sibling was murdered by an intruder. He/she would be so damn scared, they wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks. The video is just very disturbing. tsaun 09-24-2016, 11:29 PM Don't know how much truth there is to this but I heard on the radio this week that the only reason Burke did this interview was because it was the family's response to the two part CBS special that was coming out at the same time. It was some sort of attempt on their part to show his innocence. But their plan seems to have backfired because the majority response from the public (at least according to twitter) is that Burke is incredibly creepy and he did himself no favors. The more telling video to me is the one where he is interviewed by the child psychologist less than a week after JonBenet's murder. He is so incredibly upbeat, constantly laughing, acting like life is completely normal. There is no sadness on his part that his sister is gone and the hell his family was currently going through. He never once shows any fear that the possible intruder could return to his home and kill again. THAT would be the logical reaction of a child who's sibling was murdered by an intruder. He/she would be so damn scared, they wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks. The video is just very disturbing. Agreed. What kind of kid says "I'm just trying to move on with my life" so nonchalantly? Awsi Dooger 09-27-2016, 03:43 AM The more telling video to me is the one where he is interviewed by the child psychologist less than a week after JonBenet's murder. He is so incredibly upbeat, constantly laughing, acting like life is completely normal. There is no sadness on his part that his sister is gone and the hell his family was currently going through. He never once shows any fear that the possible intruder could return to his home and kill again. THAT would be the logical reaction of a child who's sibling was murdered by an intruder. He/she would be so damn scared, they wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks. The video is just very disturbing. What's the normal and logical reaction of a 9 year old boy who killed his little sister recently? How would they fare and perform in a psychologist setting like that? Any professional analyst with a fleck of competence will emphasize that aspect, that if you have a thesis you look for evidence and behavior that aligns with it and supports. In other words, you don't care what Burke is not doing, if he had nothing to do with JonBenet's death. Your post was strictly focused on everything that is supposedly missing. That is not the proper focus. I've seen it many times previously, in this case and in countless other cases from poorly trained or non-trained detectives. Since the assertion is that Burke is guilty there should be plenty of speech and behavioral material that coincides with guilt, and possibly trying to conceal guilt. Detectives and prosecutors are allowed to get away with that poor weighting system far too often. Millions of people are innocent. Yet somehow the authorities want to pretend they know exactly how a typical innocent person would react, in this situation or that situation or given any type of questioning or confrontation. Pathetic, and often tragic consequences. Sharp members of law enforcement understand to spotlight exactly the opposite, to look for factors and acts that correspond with guilt, and hopefully find several of them. Far less likely to be a coincidence or meaningless than if you only locate one. This many not be an ideal analogy but I always think of it along Las Vegas terms. I've seen hundreds and hundreds of guys blow out in sports betting because they are obsessed with betting against teams. They'll watch a lousy performance and ridicule everything that is missing. That team is terrible. That team is a joke. I'm betting against them every week. Meanwhile, with that emphasis you are inheriting the team you are wagering on next week and every week, even if that team is similarly flawed. It's incredibly fragile. Sharper and more successful guys identify teams to bet with, not against. You see variables that work in your favor and embrace them. Granted, with a child any type of behavioral analysis is less reliable. Burke could have come back a day later and acted completely differently. He should have been questioned several times by different psychologists with varying styles. I generally distrust a sample of one. James T 09-27-2016, 04:20 AM Don't know how much truth there is to this but I heard on the radio this week that the only reason Burke did this interview was because it was the family's response to the two part CBS special that was coming out at the same time. It was some sort of attempt on their part to show his innocence. But their plan seems to have backfired because the majority response from the public (at least according to twitter) is that Burke is incredibly creepy and he did himself no favors. The more telling video to me is the one where he is interviewed by the child psychologist less than a week after JonBenet's murder. He is so incredibly upbeat, constantly laughing, acting like life is completely normal. There is no sadness on his part that his sister is gone and the hell his family was currently going through. He never once shows any fear that the possible intruder could return to his home and kill again. THAT would be the logical reaction of a child who's sibling was murdered by an intruder. He/she would be so damn scared, they wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks. The video is just very disturbing. Well look at the environment he grew up in-his mother dressing his little sister up to look like a hooker & parading her around in front of other demented adults. A father whose response at finding his murdered daughter is to then be on the phone 30 minutes or so later wanting to fly to an 'important' business meeting. Is it any wonder the kid is messed up in the head with parents/role models like that? mikewho 10-02-2016, 11:53 PM Part of me thinks a family member did it, while the other part of me thinks they didn't and that maybe a neighbor or someone that knew her due to competitions did. Steve W. 10-03-2016, 01:30 AM Did you watch the interviews and the CBS Special? Burke killed her (whether intending to or not). He's guilty as sin. The parents covered it up to protect him from being sentenced to a mental or juvenile facility (i.e. until he turned 18). We just don't know the fine details regarding the sequence of events that night. Todd Mueller 10-03-2016, 12:25 PM Did you watch the interviews and the CBS Special? Burke killed her (whether intending to or not). He's guilty as sin. The parents covered it up to protect him from being sentenced to a mental or juvenile facility (i.e. until he turned 18). We just don't know the fine details regarding the sequence of events that night. Part of me wonders if Burke knows that he killed her. Try this on for size: Burke and JB are playing and get into a fight downstairs and Burke has a moment of rage and hits her in the head with the flashlight. Patsy later asks Burke, "Wher is your sister?" Burke says "JonBenet took my pineapple and I hit her..." Patsy runs downstairs, finds JB's body, realizes JB is dead, and panics. She sends Burke to his room and grabs John. They start framing the cover-up together. Burke, as far as HE knows, didn't do anything wrong... They may have even told him this as part of the cover-up. He may have spent his whole life believing he did nothing wrong. Part of me thinks a family member did it, while the other part of me thinks they didn't and that maybe a neighbor or someone that knew her due to competitions did. Based on the ransom note alone, the murderer had to have very intimate knowledge of the family. I guess some of that could come through newspaper research (as this was really before the internet age) but the ransom note writer knew John well. That really narrows the suspects. If it was a pageant stalker, why would s/he go through all that trouble? Also, there is not a lot of evidence of sexual assault (depending on who you believe). If it was a pedophile, this would most likely be more evident. Patsy's writing closely matches the ransom note. It took Patsy three attempts to pass a lie detector test. Patsy's behavior in interviews was often bizarre as was her choice of language. She either did this crime, helped cover it up, or knows who did... TheCars1986 10-03-2016, 01:08 PM Count me in the minority, but I don't see how anyone can draw conclusions based off of someone's perceived irregularities in a television interview. Plus that whole CBS documentary was a slanted joke, designed to make Burke and the parents look guilty as sin. I've learned my lesson with Serial and Making a Murderer to not trust documentaries that are obviously biased. The theory that Burke did it and the parents covered it up is certainly plausible, don't get me wrong. I just don't think the Dr. Phil interview should be used as proof or evidence that he did it. Plus, both interviews with police when he was 9 really don't show much one way or the other, IMO. He was 9. Too young to determine whether or not he's lying or that he's hiding something. I also think the huge media storm that followed his sister's death led to a largely sheltered life, which could also account for his "odd" demeanor. SPD Yellow 10-03-2016, 02:03 PM I'm with you, TheCars. Like I keep saying in the other thread on the subject, give me something more than Burke being weird. Because as a high-functioning Autistic, I have atrocious social skills and I too, often come across as off-putting. Put me in a situation where I don't have a script or I don't know the rules, and I'm so choked with anxiety, my difficulties get even worse. I don't even want to know how much worse I'd be if I was on national television. dynoguy88 10-06-2016, 11:26 PM This probably should come as no surprise but Burke is filing a 150 million dollar lawsuit claiming defamation of character against forensic pathologist Werner Spitz. Again, since this has all pretty much been public knowledge for two decades, I'm not sure how much of a case he has. But I'm no legal expert so I could be way off. https://www.yahoo.com/tv/burke-ramsey-files-150m-defamation-lawsuit-over-claims-040037917.html |