Which singers does almost everyone seem to love, but you really can't stand? Please, no flame wars. Everyone has the right to their opinion.

I personally can not stand Celine Dion. I don't think she has a nice, pleasant singing voice at all and I really don't care for a huge majority of her songs. She also seems to be everywhere, so it's really hard to avoid hearing about her. I know a lot of people love her and I respect that, but personally, I wish she would just GO AWAY!!!

I'm sure I'll think of more later.

I definitely agree with that Celine Dion thing! I hate her voice, she should not have come back. That's JMO though, so no one kill me!

Right now it seems like everyone in the UK is going crazy over a guy called Will Young. He won this contest on TV called 'Pop Idol' where veiwers had to vote for which wannabe pop star contestant they thought was most deserving of stardom. The show sucked and, quite frankly, Will sucks as well. Gareth Gates is another singer I hate - he was a runner-up on 'Pop Idol' and he seems to be everywhere right now.
Be warned Americans - Will and Gareth are heading for your country next!!!! :eek:

Britney spears and spice girls ugh

I can't stand Limp Bizkit! I mean, it practically sounds like he screams into the microphone everytime I hear a song by him on
the radio. Whenever I hear a song by him, I switch the station or turn the radio off completely.

Honestly, it would have to be Bob Dylan.

Barbra Streisand and Joni Mitchell. Bob Dylan is a good pick too.

Kid "American Jackass" Rock

Originally posted by Cokies
Honestly, it would have to be Bob Dylan. That's pretty bold. Someone once said of Bob Dylan that his singing sounds like a screeching cat caught in a fence. I heard him sing on the last grammys show. I couldn't understand a word that he sang.

I will say Axel Rose. I don't like his singing or his weird serpent like wiggle that he constantly does when he's on stage. I saw and heard him sing once, off the cuff, in a bar; not with music, but just like a regular drunk person might break into song. He couldn't hold a tune! And, he loudly couldn't hold a tune! You'd think someone would have told him to cool it because he stunk.

This is a bit unspecific, but I haven't liked any of the new artists lately. There are so many people out there now that just cannot sing.

There's this new singer named Ashanti that is really poppular and everybody's all obsessed whith her. But I can't stand the way she sings, her voice is annoying and I just don't like her music.

I don't think we have many country music fans in here, so I'll just tell one musician that I used to like- but can't stand now. Tim McGraw. I used to be such a fan of his music. The last good cd he put out was A Place in the Sun. He released one last year, and the cd sucks. He whines too much. I never noticed before, but I can def. tell that either his song is about Faith or Faith appears in the video.

Faith Hill kind of gets on my nerves too. Remember when the Breathe cd came out and she was everywhere? That drove me up the wall everytime I heard her name. I do like the song she did for the Pearl Harbor soundtrack, but she just got shoved down everybodys throat.

N' Sync is another one. I like some of the fast tunes, but when Justin is doing a slow song- it makes all the dogs howl.

Shakira!! SHE SOUNDS LIKE A GOOOOOOOSE!!!!!!!

Originally posted by NancyRulz24
Shakira!! SHE SOUNDS LIKE A GOOOOOOOSE!!!!!!!

:eek: What?!? No she doesn't!! *Ahem* Nehoo... I can't stand NSync

Originally posted by NancyRulz24
Shakira!! SHE SOUNDS LIKE A GOOOOOOOSE!!!!!!!
Lol. I personally like her, and her song Whenever Wherever, but I have to agree with you on the song when it comes to Underneath Your Clothes! OMG she sounds like a total goose in that song!

Originally posted by kittflynn
That's pretty bold. Someone once said of Bob Dylan that his singing sounds like a screeching cat caught in a fence. I heard him sing on the last grammys show. I couldn't understand a word that he sang.



That's exactly why I don't like him.

And true, Axl Rose isn't the most likable guy.

I don't really like Britney Spears and
Mariah Carey. At one time I did like
their music but IMO as time went on
their music kind of got worse and worse
until I finally lost total interest.

Originally posted by Cokies

And true, Axl Rose isn't the most likable guy.

Granted, Axl can be a bit of an idiot and he definately let success go to his head but there can be no denying that he is the archetypal rock frontman. Nobody could've sang 'Welcome to the Jungle' the way he did.
But I'm not looking to start a debate on Axl Roses talents.
There are a million and one artists whom I could mention in a post such as this, but to narrow it down I'll stick to more recent performers (I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of a zillion Beatles fans by pointing out that they are the most overrated band in history..........oops, I just did! ;) ).
I don't see what the big deal is about Shakira (thanks to the person who called her "a goooooooooooooooose" - that really made me chuckle :lol: ), she's just another clone IMO. I don't 'get' J-Lo or Destiny's Child either.
I'll go watch the talentless idiots on MTV for a while and then I'll get back to you with more........

Originally posted by Mossopp


I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of a zillion Beatles fans by pointing out that they are the most overrated band in history..........oops, I just did! ;) ).


Yeah you sure did just point that out...wow, it's amazing how someone can convince you about something without coming up with one shred of evidence, but I guess that's just your gift, Mossopp!

But seriously...overrated? and what's your definition of overrated?...I just came across your list of "greatest" bands and I've noticed something, all of those "bands" you mentioned are one...overrated themselves, and two were somehow, maybe even indirectly influenced by the beatles. If you don't believe me, just go to cdnow.com and check your list of "greatest" bands influences... I guarentee you that you can trace all of their influences back to the bealtes. In case you have forgotten...here is your list:

Guns n Roses
Jimmy Eat World
The Bangles
Linkin Park
Spineshank
Limp Bizkit
Gorillaz
Bloodhound Gang
Idlewild
Blur (pre 1998)
Catatonia
Stone Roses
The Jam
Garbage
A

Oh and what a "great" bunch of bands they are! (sarcasm)

I'm not looking for an argument here so let's not start one, huh?
I think the Beatles are crap - is that ok with you?
Yeah - I hear the Beatles influence ever time I listen to Bloodhound Gang (sarcasm).
And have you even ever heard of A, Stone Roses, Catatonia, Spineshank or Idlewild? I doubt it, cos if you had you wouldn't be suggesting that they were influenced by the bloody Beatles!

The beatles influenced Led Zepplin whom influenced Red Hot Chilipeppers whom influenced Bloodhound Gang!

As for "A" they were directly influenced by the bealtes, as were stone roses

The Beatles influence David Bowie whom influenced Blondie whom influenced Catatonia

The beatles influenced Queen whom influenced Metallica whom influeced fear factory whom influenced spineshank

The Beatles influenced Nirvana whom influenced idlewild.

You know what, you're entitled to your opinion but you were wrong. You can hate the beatles all you want but the facts show that the beatles are one of the most, if not the most, ifluential bands in rock history.

Originally posted by Mossopp
I'm not looking for an argument here so let's not start one, huh?
I think the Beatles are crap - is that ok with you?
Yeah - I hear the Beatles influence ever time I listen to Bloodhound Gang (sarcasm).
And have you even ever heard of A, Stone Roses, Catatonia, Spineshank or Idlewild? I doubt it, cos if you had you wouldn't be suggesting that they were influenced by the bloody Beatles!

"I'm not looking for an argument here so let's not start one" "I think the Beatles are crap" "I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of a zillion Beatles fans by pointing out that they are the most overrated band in history..........oops, I just did!"...? What the hell do you think the result of comments like that would be? Ah yes! ...That everyone including myself is going to agree with you and start jumping for joy and hugging everyone in sight? It's rather exaggerated, I know, but I just don't understand someone who seems to think that voicing a negative comment is not going to be argued upon. You contradicted yourself after acknowledging in your first post that you would receive opposition from Beatle fans. Your opinion that you "think" the Beatles are crap is your opinion and I realize that. However, saying that "they are the most overrated band in history" isn't stated as an opinion but instead as a fact. My question is, why do you think that the Beatles are any more overrated than any of, in your opinion, greatest bands, and why?

I cannot stand Kid Rock! I also don't like most of the old old old rock and roll bands that are trying to reclaim all the fame that they used to have. (VH1 does a great job in helping them too!)

Originally posted by laceyinthesky


"I'm not looking for an argument here so let's not start one" "I think the Beatles are crap" "I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of a zillion Beatles fans by pointing out that they are the most overrated band in history..........oops, I just did!"...? What the hell do you think the result of comments like that would be? Ah yes! ...That everyone including myself is going to agree with you and start jumping for joy and hugging everyone in sight?

Did you actually read my post properly before you quoted it? If you had read it properly you would have noticed that, after I said "I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of a zillions Beatles fans by pointing out that they are the most overrated band in history.....oops I just did!", I added a little winking smiley face, one of these - ;) . That means that my comments were meant to be taken lightheartedly. Don't get so worked up about it.
Do you think I actually want to get into a debate on the merits of The Beatles? I know there are about 100 Beatles fans here and I'd be well outnumbered.
I wanna answer that question you posed at the end of your post but I'm not entirely sure who you were thinking of when you say "any other of the great bands". What "great bands" do you mean? Are you talking about the likes of Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Queen and Pink Floyd? If so then I'll tell you why I think the Beatles are more overrated than them - because I actually happen to like Sabbath, Alice Cooper and Deep Purple.

Can we just let this whole thing rest now? I wish I'd never even brought this up!

I think Mossopp is entitled to her opinion. She doesn't like the Beatles, and I don't feel she stated anything as fact. Most everyone is smart enough to know, that as far as being over or underrated, it has to be a matter of opinion. As for me, I love some of their classics, but the Beatles were never my favorite band either.
As for the Beatles influencing other bands by influencing band X, who influenced band Z, therefore influencing band Y....
If that's the logic being employed, then who influenced the Beatles?-- and who influenced them and so on and so on. If it's the *Beatles influenced Spineshank, 4 times removed*, then I guess Mozart influenced Train. Just love that song Drops of Jupiter. :)
I do realize that most music, including rock, has roots in classical music.
I'm not saying the Beatles weren't influential because they were, just as many other bands were.
Mossopp--back at ya. ;)

Originally posted by JanLady617

As for the Beatles influencing other bands by influencing band X, who influenced band Z, therefore influencing band Y....
If that's the logic being employed, then who influenced the Beatles?-- and who influenced them and so on and so on. If it's the *Beatles influenced Spineshank, 4 times removed*, then I guess Mozart influenced Train.

Yes, maybe Mozart did indirectly influence Train. The point is without having one particular artist you wouldn't have another. Yes the beatles had influences, and if the likes of Chuck Berry hadn't been around perhaps the beatles wouldn't, but neither would most of Mossopp's list! Some artists are more influential than others, most will agree that the beatles were far more influential than Stone Roses ;) The Beatles influenced an entire generation! Their influence is still here today, 32 years after their break-up, magnificent!

Originally posted by Mossopp


Did you actually read my post properly before you quoted it? If you had read it properly you would have noticed that, after I said "I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of a zillions Beatles fans by pointing out that they are the most overrated band in history.....oops I just did!", I added a little winking smiley face, one of these - ;) . That means that my comments were meant to be taken lightheartedly. Don't get so worked up about it.
Do you think I actually want to get into a debate on the merits of The Beatles? I know there are about 100 Beatles fans here and I'd be well outnumbered.
I wanna answer that question you posed at the end of your post but I'm not entirely sure who you were thinking of when you say "any other of the great bands". What "great bands" do you mean? Are you talking about the likes of Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Queen and Pink Floyd? If so then I'll tell you why I think the Beatles are more overrated than them - because I actually happen to like Sabbath, Alice Cooper and Deep Purple.



Yes, I did read your post before I quoted it. Adding a little smiley face to something won't necessarily make it be taken lightheartedly. For example (and just as an example), if I said something along the lines of "I hate (insert some ethnic group name here)" and added ;) at the end, anyone can be pretty sure that it wouldn't just be taken lightheartedly. Of course the Beatles aren't an ethnic group but I was just using that as an example. Trust me, this is not getting "worked up" and no, I never said I thought you wanted to get in a debate over the Beatles. As for the so-called "great bands," perhaps I should have been more clear in exactly who all I was talking about. I was meaning the bands that Classic TV Man quoted you as saying you liked. That's what I was wanting to know... why you believe the Beatles to be more overrated than they are. Everyone believes something because of a reason. If I told you I was Jesus I seriously don't think anyone in their right mind would believe me without having a reason to do so. If you really are wanting to avoid an argument, you're always free to not respond to this post, Mossopp.. but I'm sure you already know that.

Originally posted by JanLady617
I think Mossopp is entitled to her opinion.

Who said Mossopp wasn't entitled to her own opinion?:confused:

Originally posted by laceyinthesky


Who said Mossopp wasn't entitled to her own opinion?:confused:
The topic of this thread is Musicians that Everyone Loves but You Can't Stand.
The early posts named the usual suspects--Mariah, Britney, Destiny's Child, NSync, etc--and even a few sacred cows--Streisand and Dylan. Nobody took offense to any of these criticisms, which were harsher than *overrated or crap*.
Mossopp simply stated her opinion about the Beatles. As for who said what, in the interest of peace--I'll just say to no one in particular--if the shoe fits...

:) < sincere smiley face, really really

Using various smiley faces as some kind of buffer for snide remarks is balderdash. If you want to make wisecracks, stand behind them or be ready for the consequences and don't expect to be forgiven your indiscretions just because you added some cute little cartoon face.

And to opinons and facts: Mossopp expressed her harsh opinion of the Beatles. None of us are attempting to take anythng away from her right to her opinion about that. But the Beatles being one of the most influential bands in the history of rock is not a matter of opinion it's a matter of fact. It doesn't make any difference who thinks they're overrated, that still holds true.

Originally posted by kittflynn
Using various smiley faces as some kind of buffer for snide remarks is balderdash. If you want to make wisecracks, stand behind them or be ready for the consequences and don't expect to be forgiven your indiscretions just because you added some cute little cartoon face.

Are you referring to me? I didn't make a snide remark. Sometimes adding a smiley face adds levity to the post and makes it clear you're not blasting the person, simply saying something sort of tonque in cheek. Be ready for the consequences? Expect to be forgiven for indisrections? Are you serious? The day I fear consequences or expect forgiveness from you or anyone on a message board is the day.....well, it'll never happen. Don't try to bully me. I'm not a teenager.

Originally posted by kittflynn
And to opinons and facts: Mossopp expressed her harsh opinion of the Beatles. None of us are attempting to take anythng away from her right to her opinion about that. But the Beatles being
one of the most influential bands in the history of rock is not a matter of opinion it's a matter of fact. It doesn't make any difference who thinks they're overrated, that still holds true.

[/B]
I think the Beatles are an influential band too, but I respect anyone's opinion who thinks otherwise. To some, it's not a fact, but an opinion. I'm not so sure anyone said the Beatles weren't an influential band anyway, and I don't feel like reading all the posts again. I'm done. I'm off to watch Six Feet Under, and I'll be back to read the last word that I'm certain you'll post.

And hanson

I didn't want to disappoint Janlady and not have another word or two. Nothing in reply to what was said except, writing a sermon denouncing "sermons" is pretty funny.

Originally posted by kittflynn
I didn't want to disappoint Janlady and not have another word or two. Nothing in reply to what was said except, writing a sermon denouncing "sermons" is pretty funny.
Writing a few paragraphs defending myself from threats of *consequences* hardly constitutes a sermon. You seem to enjoy confrontation.
Let's get off each other's radar screen.

Phish<~~~ i am sorry but i like one of their songs but prob. all of their songs they were smokin' it up when they wrote all of them


The Beatles<~~~ I personally dont like them that much and dont see what all the hype about them is, sure they influenced most all music that came after, but if they didnt someone else would have


Bob Marley<~~~ sorry jus cant stand him

Originally posted by JanLady617

I've read enough of your posts to know that you thrive on confrontation and instructing others how to behave. Don't target me for your pleasure.
Do us both a favor and take me off your radar screen.
I'm reading a book about Rod Serling. In one chapter it tells about Serling having written a story that aired on Playhouse 90 titled "In the Presence of Mine Enemies," about the Warsaw Getto. He had written into the story what some called a gross indelicacy - a sympathetic Nazi. Leon Uris, author of Exodus, 'led the charge' against Serling. Uris demanded that the negatives of the production be burned. Of course Serling was offended that Uris was suggesting that his work was anti-semetic. Charles Beaumont, a writer and friend of Serlings, wrote that Uris "would do well to remember that that sort of thing (burning literature) was one of Herr Goebbels' specialities." My reaon for bringing this up is to point out that your accusation that I write my feelings and thoughts out on this message board because I enjoy bullying teenagers, or I thrive on confrontation, or I would include you on some radar screen for that purpose, is your misread of my motivations. People always have, and will continue to misunderstand one anothers motivations, but that doesn't mean we should not even try.

I think I'll just step out of this now and let Kitt and JanLady argue amongst themselves.

I'll answer LaceyInTheSky's 2 outstanding points first -

1. I know you were just using it "as an example" but I don't think someones negative veiws on a pop band is quite the same as if a person were to have negative veiws against some minority group. If I said I hated some ethinic group I would fully expect verbal abuse from everyone here. I don't think an arguement of the same scale should develop just cos I don't share your taste in music.

2. You wanted me to say why I thought the Beatles were more overrated than any of my favorite bands? Well, because they just are. I wouldn't have said that any of the bands on my list were overrated - in fact most of them are underrated. Would you class Gorillaz, Idlewild, Catatonia or A as "overrated"? I certainly wouldn't. In fact, I'd be most surprised if more than a couple of people here had ever even heard of A or Idlewild.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kittflynn
[B]Using various smiley faces as some kind of buffer for snide remarks is balderdash. If you want to make wisecracks, stand behind them or be ready for the consequences and don't expect to be forgiven your indiscretions just because you added some cute little cartoon face.

Sympathetic Nazis and books aside, I guess I misconstrued your message to me. Upon second reading, I now realize that this was a nice, polite thing to say, and not sarcastic after all.
Hey, I have an idea, let's....Let It Be.

Originally posted by Mossopp
I'll answer LaceyInTheSky's 2 outstanding points first -

1. I know you were just using it "as an example" but I don't think someones negative veiws on a pop band is quite the same as if a person were to have negative veiws against some minority group. If I said I hated some ethinic group I would fully expect verbal abuse from everyone here. I don't think an arguement of the same scale should develop just cos I don't share your taste in music.

2. You wanted me to say why I thought the Beatles were more overrated than any of my favorite bands? Well, because they just are. I wouldn't have said that any of the bands on my list were overrated - in fact most of them are underrated. Would you class Gorillaz, Idlewild, Catatonia or A as "overrated"? I certainly wouldn't. In fact, I'd be most surprised if more than a couple of people here had ever even heard of A or Idlewild.

Yes, I know the bealtes and ethnicity are two completely different things. It was simply a comparison.

You're still avoiding my initial question, which was "Why do you think the beatles are overrated?" As I said before, you don't believe something to be true without having a reason. I'm curious to know what yours is.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky

You're still avoiding my initial question, which was "Why do you think the beatles are overrated?" As I said before, you don't believe something to be true without having a reason. I'm curious to know what yours is.

Maybe she just doesn't care for their music. Does she really need to explain why she doesn't like them? I don't care for the Beatles either. Everyone has the right to express their opinion. The title of this thread is "Musicians that everyone seems to love, but you don't care for".

I find it pretty funny how some people get so upset over another person's opinion of a music group, celebrity, TV show, or whatever. There are a lot more things in this world to worry about than what someone thinks of an old rock band.

Originally posted by WingsFan


Maybe she just doesn't care for their music. Does she really need to explain why she doesn't like them? I don't care for the Beatles either. Everyone has the right to express their opinion. The title of this thread is "Musicians that everyone seems to love, but you don't care for".

I find it pretty funny how some people get so upset over another person's opinion of a music group, celebrity, TV show, or whatever. There are a lot more things in this world to worry about than what someone thinks of an old rock band.

Um, hi, and since when have I been talking to you? NOBODY HAS SAID THAT MOSSOPP IS NOT ENTITLED TO HER OWN ****ING OPINION. Yes, everyone has the right to express their own opinion. Not one person who has responded to her in this thread has said otherwise. I never said Mossopp had to do anything. I was simply asking her a question. I'm not holding her at gunpoint screaming for her to explain herself. When Mossopp said "the Beatles are overrated," it wasn't stated as an opinion, such as "I think the Beatles are overrated," but yet as a fact. Calling an influential band such as the Beatles overrated is actually quite funny, because, look at the amount of influence they've had over the past 30 years. How is that overrated? My advice would be to do some research before calling anyone (not just the Beatles) overrated.

I think I will answer the questions about the Beatles first and then leave the confusing smileys as the last topic to speak about.

I wouldn't call myself a diehard fan of the Beatles music. I like a few of their songs, and I know who the members are- so ya know I'm not entirely clueless about who they are. lol
The Beatles are just like Elvis. You could have one group of people saying The Beatles made Rock N' Roll what it is today, or another group could say Elvis molded Rock N' Roll. Neither one is wrong. Elvis and the Beatles come to most peoples mind because they did have such promotional status. I don't think neither Elvis or the Beatles would have had much success if they didn't have so much promotional stuff out there. Come on, in the 50's they had Elvis lipstick. That just goes to show that somebody kept their face out in the public, so the public remembers them- whether or not they liked them or not. This case goes to Mossop. Yes, she knows who the Beatles are, but she chooses to not have much of a fancy over them. That's cool because it shows her individuality.

The smilies are a difficulty thing to figure out. I'm split down the middle here, because I think each case stated about the smilies are correct. Sometimes a smilie is used instead of an lol. Its all simple fun, and is just a small image of the persons face. It's like if someone pulls a joke on you, maybe they will wink or laugh their a-- off. The smilie is just kind of a subsitute for the person.

But some people don't think like the example I posted above. Anybody could be hurt or angry at a remark that somebody thought was a joke. Now talking about the Beatles, I don't think anybody meant to annoy or make somebody cry about it. How can I sum this up? I guess just by saying the smilie faces could be used in the not so serious topics, but should be carefully considered before being put into a serious topic.

Okay, I don't know if that will stay in the air. Frankly, my opinion on the Beatles may stay in the clouds and be thought about, but I don't think too much about smilies. My opinion about smilies will probably be dropped to the ground and not thought too much of. Please don't take either of my opinions seriously.

I'm only a teenager, but I realize everybody on this board has a working brain. They can think or say whatever they want. I'm not standing above anybody shoving thoughts into your brains.

I've got a test I should be studying for. See ya'll later.

Originally posted by JanLady617
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kittflynn
[B]Using various smiley faces as some kind of buffer for snide remarks is balderdash. If you want to make wisecracks, stand behind them or be ready for the consequences and don't expect to be forgiven your indiscretions just because you added some cute little cartoon face.

Posted by Janlady:
Sympathetic Nazis and books aside, I guess I misconstrued your message to me. Upon second reading, I now realize that this was a nice, polite thing to say, and not sarcastic after all.
Hey, I have an idea, let's....Let It Be. You know, actually, to begin with, I was saying that messge to Mossopp. Mossopp and I have been batting it back and forth over time and I think we manage to say what we think and then end on a good note. And most of the time we get along fine. I also have gotten along quite well with most of the teenagers that I supposedly bully as you said (barring a few exceptions now and again). You really don't know me or what kinds of conversations I've had on the boards and it's weird the way you jumped in hear to make sarcastic remarks, followed me to the Jerusilem post to make more remarks and then say "Let's...let it be" after you've had your final putdown.

Originally posted by JanLady617
If it's the *Beatles influenced Spineshank, 4 times removed*, then I guess Mozart influenced Train. :)

:rotflmao: ! :lol: Thanks for a good laugh!

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
When Mossopp said "the Beatles are overrated," it wasn't stated as an opinion, such as "I think the Beatles are overrated," but yet as a fact.

Don't bite my head off for jumping in here, like you did to WingsFan.

All I have to say is I find it amusing that so many people get so worked up over something that is obviously an opinion. Anyone who has any sort of grip on the English language can recognize an opinion as such, whether or not is framed by an "I think" or an "IMHO". Someone stating "The Beatles are overrated" is not a statement of fact. No one comes to a message board looking for facts or experts, unless perhaps if they specifically ask for it. Most people should know that most everything posted on a message board is an opinion. Get with it folks! Lots of people have this problem, not just laceyinthesky.

Anyway, to answer the main question posed in the thread...the bands/artists I don't care for that others seem to love are:

Sugar Ray

Korn

The Beatles

Led Zepplin

Barbara Streisand

Celine Deion

NSync, BSB, Five, LFO, O-Town, etc. I can tolerate 98 Degrees though.

That's all I can come up with for now. Maybe I'll think of more later. My all time most hated band is The Presidents of The United States of America, but people don't really seem to like them much anymore.

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh


All I have to say is I find it amusing that so many people get so worked up over something that is obviously an opinion. Anyone who has any sort of grip on the English language can recognize an opinion as such, whether or not is framed by an "I think" or an "IMHO". Someone stating "The Beatles are overrated" is not a statement of fact. No one comes to a message board looking for facts or experts, unless perhaps if they specifically ask for it. Most people should know that most everything posted on a message board is an opinion. Get with it folks! Lots of people have this problem, not just laceyinthesky.

How does something go about being an obvious opinion? If it's so obvious to anyone knowing the English language exactly how do you know when something is an opinion? It's not like I'm asking anyone to teach me how to perform brain surgery here. I simply ask someone to justify their reasoning for me and suddenly I'm the one with the "problem". God forbid anyone ever ask a question.

Britney Spears and most of those Tenny Bopper Boy Bands. Sorry to break your heart Karli.......

Well, I don't care much for Garth Brooks. I like the song "The Dance" though.

Originally posted by NancyRulz24
Shakira!! SHE SOUNDS LIKE A GOOOOOOOSE!!!!!!!

I'm a huge Shakira fan...but I must say that Shakira has a very different kind of voice. She sounds like she's yodeling sometimes. But I think that she has one of the more stronger voices in the music scene. If you listen to her older stuff, her voice is more tame. Especially, in her Spanish songs. Her voice is more solid in her older music. Well, her latest album is her first English-language album...so maybe she was nervous while recording it LOL...i dunno...just a thought:wave:

Originally posted by Eric Matthews
Britney Spears and most of those Tenny Bopper Boy Bands. Sorry to break your heart Karli.......

Uh......ew?! LOL. Ok, so I like Brit, but um.... all those other "Tenny" Bopper Boy Bands can make like the wind and blow as far as I'm concerned :cool:

also....the greatful dead and other music people listen to when they are high

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
How does something go about being an obvious opinion? If it's so obvious to anyone knowing the English language exactly how do you know when something is an opinion? It's not like I'm asking anyone to teach me how to perform brain surgery here. I simply ask someone to justify their reasoning for me and suddenly I'm the one with the "problem". God forbid anyone ever ask a question.

If I say to you "the sky is pink", would you think that is opinion or fact? Would you think it was a fact simply because I did not start out by saying "I think..." or "in my opinion...". I certainly hope not. You would know my statement is not fact because from previous experience you know the sky is not pink, and you know I have no way of proving my assertion to you. You would probably also think I was on drugs or had just woken up or had wandered away from the local mental hospital or something. :D

Similarly, you can know that no one could possibly ever prove in any way whatsoever that the Beatles are the most overrated band in history. There is no sort of diagnostic test for something like that, no way in the world to prove it to anyone. Hence it is an opinion.

A few other ways you can know that what Mossopp said was not fact is that #1.) I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that Mossopp is not an expert in either the field of music or the Beatles and #2.) These statements were made on a message board, not at a press conference or something. People come together on message boards not to discuss facts. How boring would that be? They come together to discuss their opinions.

fact: Something having real, demonstratable existence; the quality of being real or actual.

opinion: a belief or conclusion held with confidence, but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

Opinions do not need justifying or explanation, unless the person who stated the opinion feels kind enough to indulge others in their reasons. Mossopp is under no obligation to justify her reasoning to anyone because her statement was an opinion. Now, I do think that supporting an opinion with clear reasoning usually only serves to make the statement stronger and less easily dismissed, but it's not necessary. I think everyone is having such a problem with this because it is a very strongly held opinion. That always seems to make folks uncomfortable.

I have no problem whatsoever with you (nicely) inquiring why Mossopp or anyone else feels that way, but your reasons for demanding justification ["it was presented as a statement of fact and therefore requires substantiation"] are balderdash, because nothing Mossopp said was presented as fact.

I've never cared for The Grateful Dead.

Cher's singing works my last nerve too.

Originally posted by JanLady617
I've never cared for The Grateful Dead.

Cher's singing works my last nerve too. I'm with you on both of those. Some friends of mine were "Dead Heads". I could never understand what their deep dedication was all about. Although I did get to see Jerry Garcia play a couple of times in small venues. One time he was with the guys (except for David Grisman) from the "Old and in the Way" album, so they played acoustically.The other time he played electric with some of the "Dead" members and some various other artists. HIs guitar playing was inspired. I wish I could come up with a better word - it was something!

The mention of Cher's name would cause one friend of mine to make a face as if she'd just stepped in dog doo. She liked cher's singing about as much as I, and apparently you do.

I can't stand Cher either. For the longest time, I couldn't even tell if she was male or female :lol: :lol: :lol:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kittflynn
[B]I'm with you on both of those. Some friends of mine were "Dead Heads". I could never understand what their deep dedication was all about.

Although, I must admit I harbor no resentment towards Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia ice cream. :lol:

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh


If I say to you "the sky is pink", would you think that is opinion or fact? Would you think it was a fact simply because I did not start out by saying "I think..." or "in my opinion...". I certainly hope not. You would know my statement is not fact because from previous experience you know the sky is not pink, and you know I have no way of proving my assertion to you. You would probably also think I was on drugs or had just woken up or had wandered away from the local mental hospital or something. :D

Similarly, you can know that no one could possibly ever prove in any way whatsoever that the Beatles are the most overrated band in history. There is no sort of diagnostic test for something like that, no way in the world to prove it to anyone. Hence it is an opinion.

A few other ways you can know that what Mossopp said was not fact is that #1.) I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that Mossopp is not an expert in either the field of music or the Beatles and #2.) These statements were made on a message board, not at a press conference or something. People come together on message boards not to discuss facts. How boring would that be? They come together to discuss their opinions.

fact: Something having real, demonstratable existence; the quality of being real or actual.

opinion: a belief or conclusion held with confidence, but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

Opinions do not need justifying or explanation, unless the person who stated the opinion feels kind enough to indulge others in their reasons. Mossopp is under no obligation to justify her reasoning to anyone because her statement was an opinion. Now, I do think that supporting an opinion with clear reasoning usually only serves to make the statement stronger and less easily dismissed, but it's not necessary. I think everyone is having such a problem with this because it is a very strongly held opinion. That always seems to make folks uncomfortable.

I have no problem whatsoever with you (nicely) inquiring why Mossopp or anyone else feels that way, but your reasons for demanding justification ["it was presented as a statement of fact and therefore requires substantiation"] are balderdash, because nothing Mossopp said was presented as fact.


If you were to say to me that the sky is pink it wouldn't matter what I thought. It's still stated as fact, whether true or not. (Notice I used "as" rather than is.. and I have been since my first post on this topic. Since you seem to have found it useful to quote a definition, so will I. ..according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary on AOL... "as: in accordance with what or the way in which") She presented her comment like a fact, not like it indeed was one. ...You know the stereotypical questions kids ask teachers/parents/ect, "why is the sky blue?" As to questioning your statement "the sky is pink," I'm merely asking why you say that. What if I were color blind and could not judge for myself whether the sky is pink or not? I never asked Mossopp or anyone to prove to me that the Beatles are overrated or not, just simply why they thought so. I also never said anyone was obligated to do anything for me. I strongly agree with you, supporting an "opinion" with clear reasoning does make an opinion stronger, which was what I was wanting to know all along. Congrats! Someone finally seemed to figure out my point.

First allow me to say this. In my post where I said I didn't get why everyone was getting so worked up over something that was so obviously an opinion, I was not trying to single out laceyinthesky, even though hers was the only name I dropped. I apologize if she think I am trying to personally attack her in some way, because I am not. As I stated in that post, it seems alot of people around here get offended when someone states their opinion but suppossedly makes it "look" like a fact. I don't understand that because I don't understand why people can't understand the simple difference between opinion and fact, no matter how the statement "looks".

Laceyinthesky asked me to explain to her how the difference between fact and opinion is so obvious, which I believe I did. On to the discussion:

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
If you were to say to me that the sky is pink it wouldn't matter what I thought. It's still stated as fact, whether true or not.

Well I guess me and Mossopp must be pretty powerful people if we can say a few words that somehow make it so what you say means nothing. Congrats to us, I guess. I really don't see how you can infer that what we say makes your thoughts or words meaningless. Remember, I never said that, nor did Mossopp. Those were your words.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
(Notice I used "as" rather than is.. and I have been since my first post on this topic. Since you seem to have found it useful to quote a definition, so will I. ..according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary on AOL... "as: in accordance with what or the way in which") She presented her comment like a fact, not like it indeed was one.

Ok, so you still think it was presented as fact. I still disagree. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that one. I simply don't understand why your beef is simply over how the statement "looks". Are you worried someone is going to wander in here, see Mossopp's statement, and assume it is fact? (Since after all, it looks like one). If not, then why all the fuss?

I don't understand how you define fact and opinion. You're using a rather narrow definition if opinions can only be statements framed by "I think" or "In my opinion."

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
...You know the stereotypical questions kids ask teachers/parents/ect, "why is the sky blue?" As to questioning your statement "the sky is pink," I'm merely asking why you say that. What if I were color blind and could not judge for myself whether the sky is pink or not?

I applaud your efforts to distract me from the original point, but questioning why I used that particualr question is irrelevant and moot. I could have just as easily used any other example. Attacking me for not giving consideration to colorblind people is pointless and makes you look silly.

Since you don't like that example, fine. If I said to you "Cheddar cheese tastes better than Swiss cheese" would you think that was a fact because it was supposedly "presented as fact"? Would you be asking me to support my "opinion presented as fact"?

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I never asked Mossopp or anyone to prove to me that the Beatles are overrated or not, just simply why they thought so. I also never said anyone was obligated to do anything for me. I strongly agree with you, supporting an "opinion" with clear reasoning does make an opinion stronger, which was what I was wanting to know all along. Congrats! Someone finally seemed to figure out my point.

Ok, I give you that. Perhaps my words were too strong last time when I said you were demanding an explanation. I never meant to imply that you did not have a right to inquire why she felt that way, and if you got that impression, I sincerely apologize.

The only thing I ever meant to imply in the first place is I did not understand why so many people (not just laceyinthesky) were getting their knickers in a twist over something I thought was obviously an opinion. It is clear to me now that not everyone seems to find it "obvious", because it was "presented as fact." I don't think we will ever agree on that little linguistic oddity.

Also, I Have never seen what was so good about U2

Originally posted by hockeybabe528
Also, I Have never seen what was so good about U2

Me too! I was thinking about them the other day and meant to add them to my list, but I forgot. But yeah, I mean they aren't terrible, and I like a few of their songs, but I don't see what all the fuss is about.

I think it's pretty safe to say the Beatles are the "greatest band" of all time. The meaning of "great" can definitely be taken in many ways. Truly great, in talent and influence on bands in the last thiry years. Or great, in the massive impact they've had on pop culture itself. No matter how much you may dislike them, they hold more significance than any other pop culture phenonema in the last hundred years, besides the motion picture.

Getting that point out of the way, I happen to like the Beatles, just like any other "casual" music fan, and I can totally understand why a person may not like them.
Just like I can't stand Kurt Cobain. Same difference.

Roy Orbison
Elvis Presley
Robert Goulet (gag)
Wayne Newton (gag gag)
Nirvana
Creed
Pretty Much all Country Music.

That's all I can think of.

Avril Lavigne
Celine Dion
Barbra Streisand
Mariah Carey
Faith Hill
The Strokes

Originally posted by Jenny
...The Beatles are just like Elvis. You could have one group of people saying The Beatles made Rock N' Roll what it is today, or another group could say Elvis molded Rock N' Roll. Neither one is wrong... "Before Elvis there was nothing" - John Lennon

Dave Matthews
I know sooo many people who are completely obsessed with him. Its Dave this and Dave that and it drives me nuts!:crazy: For some reason he just really annoys me. I don't think he's bad or untalented or anything, its just that I can't get into it. Every time one of his songs comes on the radio its like, ugh change the station!:rolleyes: People act like he is the greatest ever, and I mean, he's good but not that good.

For me, it's just about any popular musician today. Except for a few lilke the Dixie Chicks (country music is ok) I would just rather listen to my monkee's music.

Here is my list
Brittney Spears (hate her with a passion)
Christina Agulira
J-Lo
Madonna (She is very wierd)
Mariah Carey
Celin Dion (ever since the radio played my heart will go on like 200 times in 2 weeks I just got sick and tired of her)
Emienem (I can't stand any word that comes out of his mouth)
N'Stink
Backstairs Boys (Mrs G called them that in the reunion show)
O-Town
Michael Jackson (He is Freaky lookin especially at the VMA awards)
Bob Dylon (He has a very annoying singing voice)
David Bowie

I have no clue how Willie Nelson ever had a career at all, much less a long lasting one.

ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL Boy Bands and Girl Bands like Dream Street and Play and NSUCKMYDICK.... And britney Spears and Mandy and Jessica and kelly Clarkson. Ashinti sucks IMO (cant forget to point out its my opinion for fear of being attacked by the online Ashanti Lovers. blah) Justins solo album is horrible I heard some songs off it and it makes me wanna die. I also dont see whats so WONDERFUL about Blink 1823 and Green Day. Dont get me wrong, I really love their music and that whole pop punk rock thing goin on... but everyones just like OMG I LOVE THEM and they go on and on and im like "Great.". I guess im just as bad tho, i luff good charlotte. And I like all heavy metal cept for some of the new linkin park remixes.... R they even metal? Soem remizes are good but some are like AHHHH and everyone seems to love em.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
Ashinti sucks IMO (cant forget to point out its my opinion for fear of being attacked by the online Ashanti Lovers. blah)

I like Ashanti. lol