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Family Ties Forever!
01-27-2016, 11:36 PM
It was mentioned on the news a few days ago that Sweeden plans to be a cash-free country by 2030. The news reporter asked if the United States is headed in the same direction. I hope we don't go cash-less. I think cash is easier and safer for a lot of things.

Here is an article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/business/international/in-sweden-a-cash-free-future-nears.html?_r=0

In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears
By Liz Alderman Dec. 26, 2015

Few places are tilting toward a cashless future as quickly as Sweden, which has become hooked on the convenience of paying by app and plastic.
This tech-forward country, home to the music streaming service Spotify and the maker of the Candy Crush mobile games, has been lured by the innovations that make digital payments easier. It is also a practical matter, as many of the country’s banks no longer accept or dispense cash.

At the Abba Museum, “we don’t want to be behind the times by taking cash while cash is dying out,” said Bjorn Ulvaeus, a former Abba member who has leveraged the band’s legacy into a sprawling business empire, including the museum. Not everyone is cheering. Sweden’s embrace of electronic payments has alarmed consumer organizations and critics who warn of a rising threat to privacy and increased vulnerability to sophisticated Internet crimes. Last year, the number of electronic fraud cases surged to 140,000, more than double the amount a decade ago, according to Sweden’s Ministry of Justice.

Older adults and refugees in Sweden who use cash may be marginalized, critics say. And young people who use apps to pay for everything or take out loans via their mobile phones risk falling into debt. “It might be trendy,” said Bjorn Eriksson, a former director of the Swedish police force and former president of Interpol. “But there are all sorts of risks when a society starts to go cashless.”

But advocates like Mr. Ulvaeus cite personal safety as a reason that countries should go cash-free. He switched to using only card and electronic payments after his son’s Stockholm apartment was burglarized twice several years ago.
“There was such a feeling of insecurity,” said Mr. Ulvaeus, who carries no cash at all. “It made me think: What would happen if this was a cashless society, and the robbers couldn’t sell what they stole?”

Bills and coins now represent just 2 percent of Sweden’s economy, compared with 7.7 percent in the United States and 10 percent in the euro area. This year, only about 20 percent of all consumer payments in Sweden have been made in cash, compared with an average of 75 percent in the rest of the world, according to Euromonitor International. Cards are still king in Sweden — with nearly 2.4 billion credit and debit transactions in 2013, compared with 213 million 15 years earlier. But even plastic is facing competition, as a rising number of Swedes use apps for everyday commerce.

At more than half of the branches of the country’s biggest banks, including SEB, Swedbank, Nordea Bank and others, no cash is kept on hand, nor are cash deposits accepted. They say they are saving a significant amount on security by removing the incentive for bank robberies. Last year, Swedish bank vaults held around 3.6 billion kronor in notes and coins, down from 8.7 billion in 2010, according to the Bank for International Settlements. Cash machines, which are controlled by a Swedish bank consortium, are being dismantled by the hundreds, especially in rural areas.

Mr. Eriksson, who now heads the Association of Swedish Private Security Companies, a lobbying group for firms providing security for cash transfers, accuses banks and credit card companies of trying to “price cash out of the market” to make way for cards and electronic payments, which generate fee income. “I don’t think that’s something they should decide on their own,” he said. “Should they really be able to use their market force to turn Sweden into a cashless society?”

The government has not sought to stem the cashless tide. If anything, it has benefited from more efficient tax collection, because electronic transactions leave a trail; in countries like Greece and Italy, where cash is still heavily used, tax evasion remains a big problem. Leif Trogen, an official at the Swedish Bankers’ Association, acknowledged that banks were earning substantial fee income from the cashless revolution. But because it costs money for banks and businesses to conduct commerce in cash, reducing its use makes financial sense, Mr. Trogen said.

Cash is certainly not dead. The Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, predicts it will decline fast but still be circulating in 20 years. Recently, the Riksbank issued newly redesigned coins and notes. But for an increasing number of consumers, cash is no longer a habit. At the University of Gothenburg, students said they almost exclusively used cards and electronic payments. “No one uses cash,” said Hannah Ek, 23. “I think our generation can live without it.”

The downside, she conceded, was that it was easy to spend without thinking. “I do spend more,” Ms. Ek said. “But if I had a 500 krona bill, I’d think twice about spending it all.” (Five hundred kronor is about $58.) The shift has rippled through even the most unlikely corners of the Swedish economy.
Stefan Wikberg, 65, was homeless for four years after losing his job as an I.T. technician. He has a place to live now and sells magazines for Situation Stockholm, a charitable organization, and began using a mobile card reader to take payments, after noticing that almost no one carried cash.

“Now people can’t get away,” said Mr. Wikberg, who carries a sign saying he accepts Visa, MasterCard and American Express. “When they say, ‘I don’t have change,’ I tell them they can pay with card or even by SMS,” he said, referring to text messages. His sales have grown by 30 percent since he adopted the card reader two years ago. At the Filadelfia Stockholm church, so few of the 1,000 parishioners now carry cash that the church had to adapt, said Soren Eskilsson, the executive pastor.

During a recent Sunday service, the church’s bank account number was projected onto a large screen. Worshipers pulled out cellphones and tithed through an app called Swish, a payment system set up by Sweden’s biggest banks that is fast becoming a rival to cards. Other congregants lined up at a special “Kollektomat” card machine, where they could transfer funds to various church operations. Last year, out of 20 million kronor in tithes collected, more than 85 percent came in by card or digital payment.

“People give more money to the church now because it’s electronic and easy,” said Mr. Eskilsson, adding that the church saved on security costs by handling less cash. Despite the convenience, even some who stand to gain from a cashless society see drawbacks. “Sweden has always been at the forefront of technology, so it’s easy to embrace this,” said Jacob de Geer, a founder of iZettle, which makes a mobile-powered card reader.

“But Big Brother can watch exactly what you’re doing if you purchase things only electronically,” he said. But for Mr. Ulvaeus, the music magnate, such concerns are overblown. “Everything speaks in favor of a cashless society,” he said as he strolled past the Abba Museum to retrieve his car. “It’s a utopian thought, but we’re very close to it.” He paused at a hot-dog stand for a snack. But when he was ready to pay, the card reader was broken. “Sorry,” the vendor said. “You’ll have to use cash.”

Christina Anderson contributed reporting. A version of this article appears in print on December 27, 2015, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Where Even Banks Don’t Accept Cash Anymore .

ponytail
01-28-2016, 06:32 AM
I pay with cash for just about everything except for online shopping or buying a airline ticket or getting a hotel and then when I'm leaving I pay cash if I can.

Furienna
01-28-2016, 07:14 AM
Hm, I must be weird then. Because I want to use as much cash as possible, and it usually works. But in my small town, you can no longer pay with cash at the health center, the emergency room or the dentist's (I will often use an invoice to pay them) or even the buses (I have to load my bus card in a store at the mall).

Family Ties Forever!
01-28-2016, 12:07 PM
Hm, I must be weird then. Because I want to use as much cash as possible, and it usually works.

You're not weird. I would think a lot of people would want to pay with cash. Just my opinion. I was surprised by the news and the article.

Mr. Television
01-28-2016, 01:36 PM
I use cash for just about everything.

OH Nuts!
01-29-2016, 12:56 AM
I don't like to carry cash, and only use it minimally. I use my cash back credit card like a debit card; I charge most items and pay the entire bill at the end of the month.

zypherix
01-29-2016, 05:48 AM
I usually carry some cash, but 9 out of 10 times I pay by card anyway. I wouldn't say cash is dead here in Sweden but it's definatly being used less.

Furienna
02-04-2016, 06:38 PM
I don't like to carry cash, and only use it minimally. I use my cash back credit card like a debit card; I charge most items and pay the entire bill at the end of the month.
But why don't you like to carry cash? :confused:

shotzette
02-04-2016, 07:04 PM
I don't like to carry cash, and only use it minimally. I use my cash back credit card like a debit card; I charge most items and pay the entire bill at the end of the month.

I do pretty much the same thing. It's faster and easier to use a card rather than cash. While standing in line at Starbucks in the morning, you can almost hear the whole line groan if someone pulls out bills rather than cash. It always slows the line down.

I prefer to use a card to cash because if I lose cash, or it's stolen, I'm SOL. If a card is lost or stolen, I'm only liable for $55 max if I report it right away. The one time my card number was compromised, both LifeLock and the Chevy Chase card I got through Amazon notified me within an hour and I wasn't liable for anything.

opus
02-04-2016, 08:53 PM
I don't like to carry cash, and only use it minimally. I use my cash back credit card like a debit card; I charge most items and pay the entire bill at the end of the month.

This is me exactly, except it's not that I don't like to carry cash, it's just that a lot of times its just not readily accessible.

Tubehead
02-06-2016, 03:11 AM
i hope not i don;t got an job!! so my mom gives me a monthly allowance but i don;t got money in the bank i don;t got credit card!! i think money still be around especially for few more years!!

Furienna
02-08-2016, 07:12 PM
I do pretty much the same thing. It's faster and easier to use a card rather than cash. While standing in line at Starbucks in the morning, you can almost hear the whole line groan if someone pulls out bills rather than cash. It always slows the line down.
Eh? I never had that problem. Cash is just as quick as paying with cards. Jeeesh...

i hope not i don;t got an job!! so my mom gives me a monthly allowance but i don;t got money in the bank i don;t got credit card!! i think money still be around especially for few more years!!
But in the worst case, your mother can open an account for you. And then you can take your money from there...

Torgo
02-08-2016, 07:57 PM
Eh? I never had that problem. Cash is just as quick as paying with cards. Jeeesh...


Exactly.
And several times I've seen lines get stalled because the card won't work. That never happens with cash.

OH Nuts!
02-08-2016, 11:41 PM
Exactly.
And several times I've seen lines get stalled because the card won't work. That never happens with cash.
I've never had that problem with my card. I'm always WAY UNDER my credit limit. If it's a high ticket item and my card didn't work I'd forgo the purchase.

I have nothing against paying with cash per se. Just for me personally I find it cumbersome, and it's too easy to lose a bill if you have a flock of them. My way works for me; but then again it's not for everybody.

Family Ties Forever!
02-15-2016, 01:17 AM
link (http://moneywise411.com/no-cash-banks-refusing-to-release-funds/?ppc=425299)

No Cash: Banks Refusing To Release Funds
By Cindy Glover, MoneyWise 411 staff writer

Americans are reporting problems with taking their own money out of U.S. banks. Disturbing stories have been trickling in from around the country – different banks, different tellers, different amounts – but the same runaround.
Customers trying to withdraw sums as low as $2,000 have been stalled, denied their money, or even threatened with legal action…

What’s going on? Patricia F. was treated like a criminal for trying to take out $5,000 from her account at a major national bank. She was told that the bank considers anything over $1,500 suspicious, and her withdrawal would be reported to the federal government. “Afterward, I received several notices regarding structured money laundering, pointing out the high fines and jail times involved,” she said.

David B. has had an account for 30 years at a San Francisco branch of one of America’s largest banks. “I presented my bank card, my state-of-the-art California driver’s license, and entered my PIN. There was no issue as to who I was or my account,” he said. “I told the teller the amount I wished to withdraw. It was in the five figures, but not even close to six figures.”

The teller told him that she would need to speak to the manager. “She came back and then the stories started to flow,” he recalled. “This branch has low security and doesn’t carry that amount of cash… You can try another branch…” He couldn’t get a straight answer. Eventually, the manager said the best they could do was $10K. And he’d have to go to a different office to get it.

Ordinary citizens are baffled by these alarming new policies. But financial publishing mogul Bill Bonner – who’s been studying and writing about the U.S. economy for over 40 years – reveals that it’s actually part of a much larger effort by the federal government to conceal a fatal flaw in our financial system.

Bonner has been tracking a problem that has grown exponentially since the crisis of 2008. It’s a major threat that could rock U.S. markets. To keep a lid on it, the federal government has drastically increased rules related to cash withdrawals. The buzzwords are “structured transactions” and “suspicious activity reports” (SARs).

Today, banks don’t just report withdrawals over $10,000… They have to drop a dime on customers taking out smaller amounts if there’s even a possibility of impropriety. In the past decade, the number of SARs filed by banks has skyrocketed. According to a new analysis – just released online – there is a frightening reason for the government’s recent attacks on cash. It’s something that everyone with accounts or investments in the U.S. should see.

The video comes from a private news and research service that usually reserves information like this for private subscribers. How long it will remain online we don’t know. But for the moment, it’s available here. We strongly recommend you watch it right away. New Law Cracks Down on Right to Use Cash: U.S. government is trying to restrict your access to cash. But not for the reason you think. According to leaked evidence, it’s much, much worse. Watch the video above to find out more.

TVFactFan
02-15-2016, 10:56 PM
sounds good to me because I never carry cash:lol:

James28
05-31-2022, 01:00 PM
I am concerned about how the bills are going to be paid for a cashless society like Sweden's; Such bill-paying should be by way of paper money.

A good source is this page at Budget101.com (https://www.budget101.com/money-matters/594212-dangers-of-a-cashless-society/) detailing the dangers of a cashless society. Also, here are a few other sources on the concerns about Sweden's cashless society:

Sweden’s Cashless Society Dream Isn’t All It’s Cracked Up to Be (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/sweden-cashless-society) - Wired.co.uk, April 6, 2020
Why Sweden's Cashless Society is No Longer a Utopia (https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/sweden-cashless-society-is-no-longer-a-utopia/) - World Economic Forum, November 10, 2018
Sweden's Cashless Experiment: Is It Too Much Too Fast? (https://www.npr.org/2019/02/11/691334123/swedens-cashless-experiment-is-it-too-much-too-fast) - NPR, February 11, 2019
A Tender Subject: What’s the Cost of Sweden’s Cashless Society? (https://mag.n26.com/a-tender-subject-what-is-the-cost-of-swedens-cashless-society-ac84338752f9) - N26 Magazine, September 17, 2018

GentlemanJim
05-31-2022, 01:15 PM
Gawd!! I get so irritated when shopping at the grocery and some lady with a huge order ahead of me starts playing the "credit card lottery" seeking the card with enough available balance to cover the order she's rung-up.

You know with as much time as they've already invested ringing the order up, they aren't gonna just give up, they'll keep trying until they find a card that will accept.

PITA!!

GentlemanJim
05-31-2022, 01:21 PM
A "cashless" society leaves too much discoverable evidence behind in the way of transaction records.

KurtfromPitts
06-01-2022, 10:51 AM
I just stay away from businesses that don't take cash.