View Full Version : Unsolved Mysteries case that still has the most relevance today, or urgency to solve
XCalibur 01-26-2016, 02:23 AM As of 2016, what Unsolved Mysteries case do you think still has the most relevance today?
More specific criteria for this might be which case involves a mystery that is still has a possible dangerous person who is still out there and could still harm someone, a mystery that is most relevant to society right now, or one of the other types of cases that could still effect the most people today?
Ones that stand out to me is I think its entirely possible the East Area Rapist could still be out there and dangerous but many people think he is dead. and just recently the Gary Grant Jr murder case appeared on a foxnews story.
Also, I haven't been on the board in awhile, am I missing any cases that have had updates?
I would say probably most of the cases on Unsolved Mysteries have either been solved, the people involved are deceased, or else they involved events that have been forgotten and no longer are active mysteries. But there are a few that could still be relevant, what are you guys' thoughts?
jjmcgr 01-26-2016, 10:43 AM since UM has not had any new cases for many years there are few cases that seem to be currently still ongoing with a dangerous unknown suspect
The East Area Rapist by optimistic estimates last committed a crime in 1986 and that was after a five year gap. Dead or alive he seems to be no imminent threat these days.
The only one that seemed imminently important and this was not clear until he was caught was the German guy who claimed to be a Rockefeller who killed two people (the Sohuses) in CA in 1985, a case featured on UM. He was caught for a different crime in 2008.
Many of the crimes are interesting and justice should be served but few 1980s crimes seem to have drooling bad guys still at large these days. Even Bishop, the guy who killed his family, seems like he'd be too old these days to be very dangerous now.
EverythingNthensome 01-26-2016, 07:05 PM I Dont think the original Night stalker was ever caught, was he? I don't think Richard Ramirez was him.
DALLASTEXAN!! 01-26-2016, 08:30 PM I Dont think the original Night stalker was ever caught, was he? I don't think Richard Ramirez was him.
No that's who they are talking about above in be east area rapist. From what the authorities know is that he started out in nor cal as a serial rapist and moved down to so cal where he commited rapes and murders. They have his DNA profile but no matches. He has not committed any crimes in a long time so some theorize that he is dead, incarcerated, or even grew tired and got lost in society.
EverythingNthensome 01-26-2016, 08:37 PM He is more than likely dead today, Thanks for the information. It's still scary to think about his crimes though.
Jade_Curtiss 01-26-2016, 08:43 PM Here are a few that come to mind as "need to be solved" because the criminals are so dangerous:
I-70 Serial Killer
Blind River Reststop Murderer
The Route 29 Stalker (killed Alicia Showalter)
The nutcase who killed Philip Fraiser (look at the sketches...OMG)
DALLASTEXAN!! 01-26-2016, 09:03 PM He is more than likely dead today, Thanks for the information. It's still scary to think about his crimes though.
Yes I agree! It's really scary how someone could get away with that and not be caught, but I think times have changed so I do not know if it would be as easy today.
WishfulDreamer 01-26-2016, 11:55 PM The New Orleans serial killer. Who was he? Is he still alive and killing under a new MO in a different location?
Robert Fisher- this may be debatable, but if he's still alive and was cornered/someone figured out who he was, I can see him lashing out.
Boston Mall Rapist-this person, if he's still out there, has and will likely continue to re-offend. He can't pull off the crime like he used to due to advances in technology, but seeing how brazen he was, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried other methods to get victims.
Tom Johnson-If he's willing to bludgeon two strangers in order to steal, God knows what else he'd be willing to do.
The East Bay Child Abductor(s)-whoever committed these crimes covered their tracks well enough to avoid detection. This is terrifying. For decades these children have never been seen again, not one trace of them except for a stray article of clothing or belongings.
Tracy Kirkpatrick and Kathy Hobbes' killers-I think the boy questioned is likely involved with Tracy's death, but regardless, whoever committed these crimes are brutal and willing to stab/bludgeon innocent people. (Not saying they're related crimes, just putting them together because the girls were close in age and these seemed to be random attacks)
The Jordan Family arsonist(s)-This crime makes me sick to my stomach. If it was in retaliation for drugs/gang activity, these people still knew that there were innocent children in the house and committed the crime anyway. People like that need to be off the streets.
The murderer of Jay Given- Whether it was John Cardona or someone else, the thought that someone in politics/police force may have been involved is disturbing, no matter how much time has passed.
wiseguy182 01-27-2016, 05:00 AM Robert Fisher- this may be debatable, but if he's still alive and was cornered/someone figured out who he was, I can see him lashing out.
That's a good choice. There are actually some rumors that he will be profiled on an upcoming episode of the Hunt with John Walsh.
Tom Johnson-If he's willing to bludgeon two strangers in order to steal, God knows what else he'd be willing to do.
Tracy Kirkpatrick and Kathy Hobbes' killers-I think the boy questioned is likely involved with Tracy's death, but regardless, whoever committed these crimes are brutal and willing to stab/bludgeon innocent people. (Not saying they're related crimes, just putting them together because the girls were close in age and these seemed to be random attacks)
I believe there are very strong suspects in both the murders of Kathy Hobbs and Heather Ruffleman and both of these suspects are dead. Perhaps at least the latter case is not technically solved, but I believe both are dead and no longer present a threat to society.
wiseguy182 01-27-2016, 05:03 AM Amy Bradley, on the count that she may still be alive and has spent the last 18 years under HORRIBLE circumstances. How stressing of a case is this? Her brother's hair started greying in like his 20's.
jjmcgr 01-27-2016, 09:19 AM Here are a few that come to mind as "need to be solved" because the criminals are so dangerous:
I-70 Serial Killer
Blind River Reststop Murderer
The Route 29 Stalker (killed Alicia Showalter)
The nutcase who killed Philip Fraiser (look at the sketches...OMG)
while all interesting cases, none of the above seem to fit in the so dangerous they need to be caught now category as none of the crimes seem to have been extended into the present and the original crimes were a long time ago.
jjmcgr 01-27-2016, 10:04 AM Yes I agree! It's really scary how someone could get away with that and not be caught, but I think times have changed so I do not know if it would be as easy today.
they couldn't test DNA back then. since all his crimes were essentially rapes, if he didn't want to get caught, he couldn't rape as now all his crimes would be immediately linked, cutting the suspect pool down considerably to people that lived in certain places. The killer had to make sure his DNA did not get on any list with his name attached. That was probably one of the main reasons he stopped, although the last two crimes were 5 years apart so he seemingly was already trying to stop. Probably got married (like the Green River Killer) or was otherwise under someone's eye. He salso was getting older.
jjmcgr 01-27-2016, 11:19 AM I don't know if the Alison Thresher case was ever on UM but I remember seeing it on some show. I knew of the case because I was living in DC when it happened. The funny names thread reminded me of it. There are new developments which fit this thread.
Thresher was a 45 yo recently divorced mother who lived in a condo in a ritzy Maryland suburb just over the DC line near the Potomac River. She had just got a job at the Washington Post and disappeared one late week night in May 2000. Her car was found several miles away on a side street where a path led to the C&O canal towpath trail, a popular yuppie walking path. She was last seen with a Latino man. She was never found. She was up late, sending an e-mail to her new boss on the last night. A neighbor heard a thump in her apartment/condo in the middle of the night. Otherwise no other traces of her. Several years later someone deposited into a night deposit box in a Virginia bank to her account her ex's last child support payment (the kids were not with her when she disappeared).
I always thought the ex might have been involved since he did not participate in searches along the canal. (I thought the Post, where he too worked, was protecting him or downplaying his roles because he worked there). The cops long considered it a homicide.
Anyway in 2010 Thresher's daughter claimed that in 1999 and 2000, when she was 11 years old, her male babysitter, Fernando Asturizaga, had abused her. Why she didn't come forward when her mother disappeared is unknown. Asturizaga had previously been acquitted in a rape case in Virginia in 2003 but was found guilty for the new crimes in 2012. He is now considered the prime suspect in the Thresher case but there is not enough evidence as a body was never found. They suspect the mother found out and confronted the suspect who reacted by killing her. She was apparently planning to call the police when she disappeared. The suspect is in jail for 128 years so he is no longer a threat but he was for years.
XCalibur 01-27-2016, 12:46 PM We've brought up some criminals featured on Unsolved Mysteries that may still be dangerous. I think a lot of them could still be in their 40's and 50's now, and thus still dangerous so there are still a few at least.
What about a different direction, what about some of the Unsolved Mysteries that were talking about government conspiracy mysteries, like Danny Cassolero or Michael Franke? I know the political landscape of America has changed a great deal since those went down, but could either of those cases still be relevant? I admit I haven't done enough research to really know for sure on either, but would appreciate any feedback from anyone who has.
Plus, what about Vince Foster? With Hillary Clinton running for president that could still be considered relevant.
LooksLikeCRicci 01-27-2016, 12:54 PM I'm not sure if there's "urgency" to solve this one, but I am dying to know what happened to Angela Hammond. There's a small part of me that wants vindication in knowing, finally, that Rob didn't do it. The bigger portion of me just wants to make sure that poor girl didn't suffer too long before meeting her fate.
I think Gordon Page, Jr. is a case that could still be solved. I would like to see it solved. If he's on the street, there's some urgency there.
jjmcgr 01-27-2016, 01:33 PM Plus, what about Vince Foster? With Hillary Clinton running for president that could still be considered relevant.
I think Vince shot himself in the White House and was taken out to that park to lessen the scandal. Where the body was found was an odd location and several witnesses make it seem like it did not happen the way it has been portrayed. But of all the things the Clintons were involved in, avoiding a WH suicide scandal seems a lesser crime. I also get a chuckle about the way the press is treating Bill Cosby compared to the way they treated Clinton back in the day.
dynoguy88 01-27-2016, 01:48 PM Tracy Kirkpatrick - I think the boy questioned is likely involved with Tracy's death...
*SIGH* This case still frustrates me for obvious reasons. It's been ten years now since I exchanged those emails with Don Barnes' daughter. It's been nearly 5 years since I spoke with Corp. Rick Winer and talked with a Kirkpatrick relative over email and the case remains the same.
It's not just the daughter who believes Barnes killed Tracy. All of Frederick has believed that since day one. And one of the investigators (who is now retired) has publicly said he knows who the killer is but he will not get busted because of politics.
At this point, it's hard to believe anybody BUT this guy is the killer.
FrostyShine 01-27-2016, 02:32 PM I think Vince shot himself in the White House and was taken out to that park to lessen the scandal. Where the body was found was an odd location and several witnesses make it seem like it did not happen the way it has been portrayed. But of all the things the Clintons were involved in, avoiding a WH suicide scandal seems a lesser crime. I also get a chuckle about the way the press is treating Bill Cosby compared to the way they treated Clinton back in the day.
No, he was found in a park.
The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board crucified him for various instances of what it believed were abuses of power.
He wrote his suicide letter and indicated that this was the reason he committed suicide. "Ruining people in Washington is considered sport."
RobinW 01-27-2016, 03:42 PM One case I think could conceivably be solved within the next few years is the abduction of Jacqueline Castenada. I've always believed she was abducted by someone who wanted to raise a child of their own and there was no foul play involved, so Jacqueline would be 15 this year if she's still alive.
She's going to be reaching the age in which she'll be required to produce a birth certificate as documentation for numerous things, such as a Social Security card. As we've seen in cases like Carlina White, these abducted children often become suspicious when their so-called "parent" cannot produce a birth certificate. I can envision such a scenario happening with Jacqueline someday.
FrostyShine 01-27-2016, 04:05 PM *SIGH* This case still frustrates me for obvious reasons. It's been ten years now since I exchanged those emails with Don Barnes' daughter. It's been nearly 5 years since I spoke with Corp. Rick Winer and talked with a Kirkpatrick relative over email and the case remains the same.
It's not just the daughter who believes Barnes killed Tracy. All of Frederick has believed that since day one. And one of the investigators (who is now retired) has publicly said he knows who the killer is but he will not get busted because of politics.
At this point, it's hard to believe anybody BUT this guy is the killer.
I'm trying to remember who that was. Was he the son of a police official - Don Barnes?
Jade_Curtiss 01-27-2016, 08:47 PM while all interesting cases, none of the above seem to fit in the so dangerous they need to be caught now category as none of the crimes seem to have been extended into the present and the original crimes were a long time ago.
Well, I read that they had a suspect in the Route 29 stalker case and that he tried for the assault shown on UM. He went to jail for that (or something else, I can't recall) and was released. However, he won't talk about his doings, so...
The article is easy enough to find and I'm not sure I'm allowed to link since it names the suspect.
The rest...Serial Killers don't stop. And since the I-70 killer was never identified...
Blind River Reststop and Philip Fraiser were hurt by deranged individuals. Those people don't stop and probably have killed since.
That was my reasoning for that list :)
zack007attack 01-27-2016, 09:52 PM Now that the State Department seems to be patching things up with Cuba, I would think Victor Gerena might be that much closer to capture.
dynoguy88 01-28-2016, 01:26 AM I'm trying to remember who that was. Was he the son of a police official - Don Barnes?
Yes. His father was Don Barnes Sr., who was the sheriff of the Frederick Police Department at the time of Tracy's murder. He passed away in 2010.
Don Barnes Jr. "discovered" Tracy's body. He lived in Egypt for a few years but was living in Florida 5 years ago according to his father's obituary. Even more scary, he now has a wife. If she's smart, she'll sleep with one eye open.
WishfulDreamer 01-28-2016, 02:03 AM Yes. His father was Don Barnes Sr., who was the sheriff of the Frederick Police Department at the time of Tracy's murder. He passed away in 2010.
Don Barnes Jr. "discovered" Tracy's body. He lived in Egypt for a few years but was living in Florida 5 years ago according to his father's obituary. Even more scary, he now has a wife. If she's smart, she'll sleep with one eye open.
Do you think that was him who made the phone call, or just someone playing a cruel hoax?
I had forgotten the big thread talking about the security guard being a suspect. Thanks for all of the work you did, dynoguy88, attempting to connect with the daughter and informing the police. Even if you didn't get responses, at least you tried.
This case has always infuriated me, and I always skip over it during UM because of how angry it makes me that someone killed this hardworking young lady full of promise, people are near certain who it is, and he's never been charged. I can only imagine the pain of Tracey's family.
WishfulDreamer 01-28-2016, 02:06 AM That's a good choice. There are actually some rumors that he will be profiled on an upcoming episode of the Hunt with John Walsh.
I hope so. I think there's a good chance he didn't kill himself, and the more publicity there is about him the better in case he is still posing a threat to others.
I believe there are very strong suspects in both the murders of Kathy Hobbs and Heather Ruffleman and both of these suspects are dead. Perhaps at least the latter case is not technically solved, but I believe both are dead and no longer present a threat to society.
I think the same thing has been said about the David Merrifield case (except police were confident they had the man pinned down). In any case, I'm glad to hear these people are no longer out there hurting others.
jjmcgr 01-28-2016, 10:03 AM No, he was found in a park.
The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board crucified him for various instances of what it believed were abuses of power.
He wrote his suicide letter and indicated that this was the reason he committed suicide. "Ruining people in Washington is considered sport."
He was found in Fort Marcy Park, an old CW fort in Virginia where access is only from the westbound lanes of the George Washington Parkway. He was found in an odd spot for a suicide, down a slope behind a cannon. Witnesses at the park have long given stories that don't match the official version. I don't doubt he committed suicide. I just think he did it in his White House office in order to make a point (although what point exactly is debatable) and that the mess of having someone commit suicide in the White House was cleaned up a bit by bringing him to that park.
jjmcgr 01-28-2016, 10:18 AM Well, I read that they had a suspect in the Route 29 stalker case and that he tried for the assault shown on UM. He went to jail for that (or something else, I can't recall) and was released. However, he won't talk about his doings, so...
The article is easy enough to find and I'm not sure I'm allowed to link since it names the suspect.
The rest...Serial Killers don't stop. And since the I-70 killer was never identified...
Blind River Reststop and Philip Fraiser were hurt by deranged individuals. Those people don't stop and probably have killed since.
That was my reasoning for that list :)
I totally disagree with the claim that "serial killers don't stop." That was based on research from the early days of "profiling" (has any case ever been solved by profiling? Psychics have a better track record... the profiling of the Unabomber was way off and then after that all bomber profiles became the Unabomber!) when all the serial killers interviewed were ones who were caught because they couldn't stop. Obviously they couldn't interview ones who stopped and were not caught. But lately some stoppers have been caught either by new DNA techniques (Green River Killer) or their own arrogance (BTK). Why do serial killers start? If they can suddenly start, they can suddenly stop. And there are many reasons to stop: stress from the crimes, getting married and being watched closely, getting old... it would be hard for me to believe that the I-70 Killer, whose spree was only a few months long, has not stopped and his kind of crudely committed crimes have not been noticed or he wasn't caught. granted, he could have got killed or been arrested for another crime but it is just as possible he simply stopped. (BTW I think he lived in or near Independence, MO, at the time of the crimes and maybe still does because the KC murder was far from I-70 (like 5 miles) and he seemed to walk there and the strip mall was rather obscure-- because it was in a gully you cannot even see it from the main road.)
jjmcgr 01-28-2016, 10:42 AM Well, I read that they had a suspect in the Route 29 stalker case and that he tried for the assault shown on UM. He went to jail for that (or something else, I can't recall) and was released. However, he won't talk about his doings, so...
The article is easy enough to find and I'm not sure I'm allowed to link since it names the suspect.
The rest...Serial Killers don't stop. And since the I-70 killer was never identified...
Blind River Reststop and Philip Fraiser were hurt by deranged individuals. Those people don't stop and probably have killed since.
That was my reasoning for that list :)
although we do not know what happened to the killers in these cases, it is apparent that all have in fact stopped a long time ago, meaning they are not imminent threats. to me much more imminent would be the guy who kidnapped and killed several women in a mall parking garage in Florida not too long ago or the guy who killed people in a Lane Bryant store in Chicago a while back (although in that case it seems like people know who did it but won't talk) but even in these cases the crimes seemed to have stopped.
A man named Darrell Rice was considered a suspect in the Rte 29 stalker case because he kidnapped a woman in the nearby national park where two other women were murdered. I think he was arrested for the park murders and Showalter but eventually the charges were dropped and he went to jail for the kidnapping. He got out a few years ago but went back to jail on a probation violation. He's probably out again by now. He does look like the composite and did admit to one similar crime.
Recently two coeds were murdered near Charlottesville and there were some claims that the Rte 29 killer was back. However, they caught the new killer, Jesse Matthew, and he was not connected to the earlier crimes.
That part of VA seems to have a lot of odd crimes including the VA Tech shooter and the recent guy who shot the news reporters.
Rice was found guilty to a stalker crime (not a murder only an assault) very similar to the ones on Rte 29. I do think LE simply could not prove his guilt in the other crimes. If he is in fact loose these days, he might be an imminent threat, although this may be tempered by age although he is only in his late 40s now.
bigsir58 01-28-2016, 10:49 AM I think the Freeman/Bible case has a good chance of being solved soon. Here's a new article posted the other day in USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/26/case-girls-missing-since-1999-gets-new-look/79342834/
dynoguy88 01-28-2016, 12:09 PM Do you think that was him who made the phone call, or just someone playing a cruel hoax?
I had forgotten the big thread talking about the security guard being a suspect. Thanks for all of the work you did, dynoguy88, attempting to connect with the daughter and informing the police. Even if you didn't get responses, at least you tried.
This case has always infuriated me, and I always skip over it during UM because of how angry it makes me that someone killed this hardworking young lady full of promise, people are near certain who it is, and he's never been charged. I can only imagine the pain of Tracey's family.
I don't think the confession was a hoax...completely. But as an area resident pointed out in one of the Tracy Kirkpatrick threads, I think it was actually Sean on the tape confessing as Don. That was an attempt to get the investigation on Don somehow without Sean having to go to the police himself.
Sean and Don were roommates for a while in Walkersville. Don moved out shortly after the murder and Sean became obsessed with the case, wanting the killer to be caught. That would explain why Martha Woodworth, being in contact with Sean several times, instantly recognized the voice on the confession tape, thinking he was the killer. Sounds to me like Sean knew going to the police wouldn't make much of a difference seeing who the sheriff was OR he was just too scared to report it.
In the end, it all comes down to this statement from one of the police investigators:
Retired Frederick Police Department Cpl. Bob Servacek is convinced he knows who killed Tracey Kirkpatrick.
"The case was solved in 1994," Servacek said. "As far as I was concerned."
Based on circumstantial evidence, he believes more than enough evidence exists for an arrest and a conviction. He believes a friend of the 17-year-old Brunswick High student killed her.
"What derailed the process was politics and personal agendas," Servacek said. "Certain individuals did not do their jobs and derailed the case."
He did not wish to elaborate.
I don't know what other politics there could be than a deputy being protected by his daddy, the sheriff.
wiseguy182 01-28-2016, 12:18 PM Some murderers may stop killing. It does not mean they stop their criminal ways. The term "lifelong criminal" applies to a high number of criminals in that they commit a variety of offenses throughout their life, and yeah, that includes their old age.
And some people don't stop killing. Look at Robert Durst. Killed somebody in 1982, killed somebody in 2000, killed somebody in 2001, may have killed any number of people before, after, or in between those times. Would people like that hesitate to kill somebody at any time if they threatened to tell? Unfortunately they would not.
LooksLikeCRicci 01-28-2016, 04:14 PM If she's smart, she'll sleep with one eye open.
Grippin' her pillow tight?
Sorry. Had to ask. :D :D (And thanks. That song is in my head now. And I have to go to court. :crazy: )
Awsi Dooger 01-28-2016, 04:45 PM No, he was found in a park.
The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board crucified him for various instances of what it believed were abuses of power.
He wrote his suicide letter and indicated that this was the reason he committed suicide. "Ruining people in Washington is considered sport."
Thank you. You have to realize that when nutcase theories are combined with political bias, the nutcase version is taken to even more spectacular levels.
In particular I always love it when a theory with only a fractional fractional fractional percentage of likelihood is trotted out ho hum, like no problem to pull it off.
Regarding media and the Clintons, read David Brock's terrific book, "Blinded by the Right." It details actual conspiracies, not fanciful.
WishfulDreamer 01-28-2016, 10:15 PM Sean and Don were roommates for a while in Walkersville. Don moved out shortly after the murder and Sean became obsessed with the case, wanting the killer to be caught. That would explain why Martha Woodworth, being in contact with Sean several times, instantly recognized the voice on the confession tape, thinking he was the killer. Sounds to me like Sean knew going to the police wouldn't make much of a difference seeing who the sheriff was OR he was just too scared to report it.
:eek: I didn't know they were roommates and had such a close connection! I wonder if Barnes (the father or the son) threatened Sean after he made the phone call and that's why he never came forward otherwise.
It really pisses me off to think a murderer went free because his father protected him.
One question though- was Barnes Jr. known to always carry a knife? That was one part of the phone call that stood out to me as a peculiar detail and potential big clue Sean may have been trying to give.
dynoguy88 01-28-2016, 10:46 PM One question though- was Barnes Jr. known to always carry a knife? That was one part of the phone call that stood out to me as a peculiar detail and potential big clue Sean may have been trying to give.
That's a good observation and possible clue. But I have no idea how often he carried a knife on him.
jjmcgr 01-29-2016, 09:28 AM I've been thinking about this topic a little. To me murders, even sprees, from the 1980s and early 1990s (ie most cases highlighted on UM) are not really urgent to solve since there has not been any activity in the crimes recently. The ones I'd consider more urgent (although even these cases are longshots) are the missing people ones. I remember an episode where a girl was in a convenience store with a guy and she looked like a missing person and she mouthed "help me" to the clerk. I don't think they ever found her.
Another disappeared case that was urgent at the time (around 1990) was where a woman in Massachusetts dressed up like a nurse and pulled a gun on hospital employees and escaped with her murderer convict boyfriend. I remember that case because it was on AMW and I think UM a bunch of times and a co-worker was the ex-husband of the woman. They disappeared and were gone for years but eventually the FBI found them in Utah. There was a shoot out and the killer was killed and the guy's ex-wife ended up in prison where she started writing her ex. For a while that case was urgent but since UM has had no new cases since the late 90s, early 00s, it is hard for any of their cases to be considered urgent today.
I remember an episode where a girl was in a convenience store with a guy and she looked like a missing person and she mouthed "help me" to the clerk. I don't think they ever found her.
It sounds to me like Elizabeth Campbell. The Charley Project profile of her is still active, which means she has never been found.
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Elizabeth_Campbell
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/campbell_elizabeth.html
Another disappeared case that was urgent at the time (around 1990) was where a woman in Massachusetts dressed up like a nurse and pulled a gun on hospital employees and escaped with her murderer convict boyfriend. I remember that case because it was on AMW and I think UM a bunch of times and a co-worker was the ex-husband of the woman. They disappeared and were gone for years but eventually the FBI found them in Utah. There was a shoot out and the killer was killed and the guy's ex-wife ended up in prison where she started writing her ex.
I know who you're referring to: Leroy Chasson. He was killed in a shootout in September 1989. I remember when AMW highlighted the case, but I can find no record of Chasson ever being featured on UM.
jjmcgr 02-01-2016, 10:36 AM I know who you're referring to: Leroy Chasson. He was killed in a shootout in September 1989. I remember when AMW highlighted the case, but I can find no record of Chasson ever being featured on UM.
It might have just been AMW. The much repeated segment began with the murder that Chesson committed in Quincy, MA. My co-worker was already divorced from the con-chaser and remarried when I knew him which was about 1988-90. The ex was a pen pal of the killer.
Corkys-Place 02-02-2016, 07:53 PM jjmcgr is that image in your Avatar from 9/11? :( It's too small for me to see properly.
UMFaninMD 02-02-2016, 09:18 PM The shooting of "Carol". To this day it's still unsolved and I can't imagine that the perpetrator only did this one time. To me, it would seem someone who could randomly target a stranger for a shooting like that wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Same thing with the unsolved Christmas hit and run that may have been a hate crime, I suspect that it probably wasn't his first or last. Criminals like that do pose imminent threats because they are choosing to target people to hurt and/or kill to carry out some type of agenda and they don't care about the consequences.
FrostyShine 02-02-2016, 09:51 PM That's a good observation and possible clue. But I have no idea how often he carried a knife on him.
Dyno-
Why are you so sure it was him?
dynoguy88 02-02-2016, 11:57 PM Dyno-
Why are you so sure it was him?
I can see you're new to this board so you don't know the loooooooong story I came to have attached with this case. But it's a doozy.
Even though all of Frederick has believed it was him since day one, I think it's better if I gave you the backstory through a pm.
jjmcgr 02-03-2016, 10:09 AM jjmcgr is that image in your Avatar from 9/11? :( It's too small for me to see properly.
yes with smoke blowing behind the Statue of Liberty.
jjmcgr 02-03-2016, 10:15 AM The shooting of "Carol". To this day it's still unsolved and I can't imagine that the perpetrator only did this one time. To me, it would seem someone who could randomly target a stranger for a shooting like that wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Same thing with the unsolved Christmas hit and run that may have been a hate crime, I suspect that it probably wasn't his first or last. Criminals like that do pose imminent threats because they are choosing to target people to hurt and/or kill to carry out some type of agenda and they don't care about the consequences.
however if there is no evidence that he did it again and the original crime was from the 1980s or 1990s, how is he an imminent threat?
The problem with UM ending new cases in 2002 is that very few crimes committed that long ago are still ongoing today... maybe missing people but even that is a long shot.
jjmcgr 02-03-2016, 11:02 AM [QUOTE=Kane]It sounds to me like Elizabeth Campbell. The Charley Project profile of her is still active, which means she has never been found.
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Elizabeth_Campbell
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/campbell_elizabeth.html
sounds right. thanks.
Sean DePue 02-08-2016, 02:51 AM The I-70 Serial Killer and that "college student" who killed Philip Fraiser comes to my mind.
SeekDaGreat 02-17-2016, 10:26 AM Sounds like people are basing there answers off personal connection, or intrigue in the cases. But to be quite frank (and although a detective/investigator would be reluctant to admit this, out of respect for the victims and rightfully so) these 30-year old "cold cases" aren't of priority to be solved. That's just the unfortunate reality. Now, that doesn't mean leads are disregarded but the 80's, and now, even the 90's being nearly 3 decades ago, seems like a time from the wild west when compared to today (2016.)
Now personal opinion, is that they are all important and relevant and should be solved (if possible) today. Every case mentioned in this thread, and much, much, more.
here_thar_be_yetis 02-17-2016, 04:03 PM I don't know about 'urgency' or relevance, but I'd say any UM case where a previously unknown chunk of evidence plops out of the ether, and the suspected guilty party is still alive and out there, is one worth reinvestigating.
Just as an example, if a hot new piece of evidence involving the now-closed NLO facility and/or Dave Bocks' murderer came out, that one better damn well be looked at again.
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