1. The woman in the Edward Harold Bell case that claims Bell broke into her house, and she later recognized his face in the newspaper. This happened in 1984, and Bell murdered Larry Dickens and later was captured and disappeared in 1978. Isn't this the time that Bell had likely fled the United States? I am starting to wonder if this wasn't Bell she saw or she made this story up


2. The main witness in the Kimberly Pandelios segment that claimed he saw a woman tied up and a group of men who scared him away. Apparently, they found out the man who killed her and it apparently wasn't in that area and it was a single guy and not many. Again, I now wondered if this guy was mistaken or just made this story up to get on TV.

The one I wonder about the most was the woman who claimed a teenage girl introduced herself giving the name of "Kari Lynn Nixon." Was some runaway or girl with a twisted sense of humor assuming the name of a missing girl, or was that woman crazed or flat-out lying?

Also look at all the people in the "Lil Miss" mystery who were sure they had seen both the girl and the car in places it was later determined they never were.

The one I wonder about the most was the woman who claimed a teenage girl introduced herself giving the name of "Kari Lynn Nixon." Was some runaway or girl with a twisted sense of humor assuming the name of a missing girl, or was that woman crazed or flat-out lying?

Also look at all the people in the "Lil Miss" mystery who were sure they had seen both the girl and the car in places it was later determined they never were.

I think the lady in the Kari Lynn Nixon segment was personally convinced she had seen Kari, though obviously she didn't, but I do think that maybe a girl gave her Kari's name off a missing child poster. Some kids are mean enough to do that sort of thing.

As to Lil Miss, I think people can maybe conjure up such an image either intentionally or unintentionally, but at that time that car and that plate would literally stick out like a sore thumb.

I think the lady in the Kari Lynn Nixon segment was personally convinced she had seen Kari, though obviously she didn't, but I do think that maybe a girl gave her Kari's name off a missing child poster. Some kids are mean enough to do that sort of thing.

I also thought that the lady genuinely believed that she had seen Kari, but if my memory is correct, she actually worked for some kind of an agency that helps find missing children, so I think her memory of that encounter was clouded by confirmation bias.

I also thought that the lady genuinely believed that she had seen Kari, but if my memory is correct, she actually worked for some kind of an agency that helps find missing children, so I think her memory of that encounter was clouded by confirmation bias.

I remembered her seeing a poster in a store that basically "jogged her memory," and then she was convinced she had met Kari at some sort of campsite with a bunch of teenagers just a short time before. I do agree that she was genuine about what she thought she saw and had no intention to really get attention in the first place. She just wanted to help a family who was desperate to get their daughter back.

I definitely am with you on the confirmation bias. At times when you see something like that, you can become convinced you've seen the person, and really haven't. I think it's partly the power of suggestion. Similar to my comment about Lil Miss.

1. The woman in the Edward Harold Bell case that claims Bell broke into her house, and she later recognized his face in the newspaper. This happened in 1984, and Bell murdered Larry Dickens and later was captured and disappeared in 1978. Isn't this the time that Bell had likely fled the United States? I am starting to wonder if this wasn't Bell she saw or she made this story up.

He was on the run for 16 years. We have no idea when exactly he fled the country.

I don't see why she would make this incident up. Multiple people would have been able to back up her story. Her young son was downstairs watching Sesame Street. If he didn't see the man enter the house, he would have heard mommy screaming and chasing the guy out of the house at the very least. And neighbors on the block would have been able to verify hearing all the gunshots as she stood in her driveway shooting at him.

Only six years had passed at the time from Larry Dickens murder. There wouldn't have been that dramatic of a difference in Bell's appearance from his mugshot. And if someone breaks into your house with a knife, you're NOT going to forget his face.

I really don't think she made the whole thing up.

He was on the run for 16 years. We have no idea when exactly he fled the country.

I don't see why she would make this incident up. Multiple people would have been able to back up her story. Her young son was downstairs watching Sesame Street. If he didn't see the man enter the house, he would have heard mommy screaming and chasing the guy out of the house at the very least. And neighbors on the block would have been able to verify hearing all the gunshots as she stood in her driveway shooting at him.

Only six years had passed at the time from Larry Dickens murder. There wouldn't have been that dramatic of a difference in Bell's appearance from his mugshot. And if someone breaks into your house with a knife, you're NOT going to forget his face.

I really don't think she made the whole thing up.



maybe it's harsh to say she made it up, but I wonder if it was actually a different person than Bell.

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I think it's possible that the intruder looked like Bell and wasn't actually him, but I doubt the story was fabricated.

The person who said he saw Arnold Archambeau alive when he was supposed to have been lying dead in a ditch the whole time. This person is wrong, or whoever said he was dead earlier is wrong or lying.

The guy who saw Kurt Sova alive with somebody. Was Kurt supposed to have been unconscious or dead at the time, depending on the scenario?

The guy who said he saw Brad Bishop in Italy. What would some disoriented, disheveled, homeless bum with some resemblance to Brad do if someone started yelling at him, calling him Brad, and demanding he turn himself in? Yep, doubtless bolt, which is what he did. That doesn't make him Brad.

2. The main witness in the Kimberly Pandelios segment that claimed he saw a woman tied up and a group of men who scared him away. Apparently, they found out the man who killed her and it apparently wasn't in that area and it was a single guy and not many. Again, I now wondered if this guy was mistaken or just made this story up to get on TV.

I never was really sure if I believed this story or not. For the most part, I thought it seemed a little contrived.

1. The woman in the Edward Harold Bell case that claims Bell broke into her house, and she later recognized his face in the newspaper. This happened in 1984, and Bell murdered Larry Dickens and later was captured and disappeared in 1978. Isn't this the time that Bell had likely fled the United States? I am starting to wonder if this wasn't Bell she saw or she made this story up

Not that it means much, but I live in the city where this happened and I've tried finding out more info and I can't. I even look for a house like that when I'm driving around...but I'm sure they wouldn't use the real house!

I think all of these go to show eye witness testimony is unreliable. Some people think they tell the truth and some lie(as we saw in Miami serial rapist). I think the lil miss and Harold bell witness think that they are telling the truth but they could be wrong. Clearly the lil miss witnesses had their dates wrong. But if I saw that plate I would remember and I would be compelled to want to help her family(in that time). Obviously now we know more looking back.

Not that it means much, but I live in the city where this happened and I've tried finding out more info and I can't. I even look for a house like that when I'm driving around...but I'm sure they wouldn't use the real house!

If I had to guess, I would say that was a random house chosen by the producers for the reenactment. Since the witness didn't want her identity revealed in the segment, that would make sense not to film at her home.

But the location of the reenactment of the Larry Dickens murder was authentic. That was Dorothy Lang's actual house, which she was still living at when UM filmed there. She never moved after the murder.

I too have tried to find out more info about the 1984 break in that happened in Bryan, Texas but there's nothing available online.

UM didn't always film at actual locations. Resurrection Mary was not, as Resurrection Cemetery does not allow even amateur filming.

The person who said he saw Arnold Archambeau alive when he was supposed to have been lying dead in a ditch the whole time. This person is wrong, or whoever said he was dead earlier is wrong or lying.

The guy who saw Kurt Sova alive with somebody. Was Kurt supposed to have been unconscious or dead at the time, depending on the scenario?

The guy who said he saw Brad Bishop in Italy. What would some disoriented, disheveled, homeless bum with some resemblance to Brad do if someone started yelling at him, calling him Brad, and demanding he turn himself in? Yep, doubtless bolt, which is what he did. That doesn't make him Brad.

I agree, that eyewitness account is impossible, Arnold could have easily been mistaken for someone who looked similar on the reservation, i always believed it was simply mistaken identity.

The boy who claimed to have seen Kurt get into a van with a guy named Frank was lying from the start. I believed he knew Kurt got very sick at the party and more than likely knew sue and Kurt's fate. If he had seen him that day, Kurt would have been alive at the time, Im leaning more toward the fact that He probably wanted to throw the police off, and make himself look innocent. the only eye witness account i believe from this segment was the old woman who claimed she saw a few teens buy a ravine carrying a young boy, but her son told her they were probably drunk and to mind her business.

I agree, that eyewitness account is impossible, Arnold could have easily been mistaken for someone who looked similar on the reservation, i always believed it was simply mistaken identity.

The boy who claimed to have seen Kurt get into a van with a guy named Frank was lying from the start. I believed he knew Kurt got very sick at the party and more than likely knew sue and Kurt's fate. If he had seen him that day, Kurt would have been alive at the time, Im leaning more toward the fact that He probably wanted to throw the police off, and make himself look innocent. the only eye witness account i believe from this segment was the old woman who claimed she saw a few teens buy a ravine carrying a young boy, but her son told her they were probably drunk and to mind her business.

The conversation with Arnold was supposed to have taken place quite awhile later, at which time Arnold would not have returned home from that night. At some point people would have reported him as missing and started asking questions, but this person who supposedly knew him so well said nothing about, "Where've you been?" or anything.

How about the crazy from Detroit?

Anyone else wonder if these witnesses were mistaken or ly By?

Tara Breckinridge's pool playing boyfriend, mumbled his way through lies about when he last saw her!

The "100" or so witnesses that claimed to have seen Lisa Marie Kimmell and/or her car during or after the time she vanished and was later killed. It makes me wonder.

I believe Kurt Sova's friend who claimed to have seen him 2 days before his body was found was either mistaken about the person he saw being Kurt, or mistaken about the date it occurred.

The "100" or so witnesses that claimed to have seen Lisa Marie Kimmell and/or her car during or after the time she vanished and was later killed. It makes me wonder.

I absolutely think they all saw her car. I just think they were mistaken about WHEN they saw her car. I think its undisputed that Eaton kidnapped her from the rest stop and killed her in the following days. There's no way those witnesses could have seen her car during the time she was missing, as he had buried it on his property by then.

Given the make/model of the car with the cute personalized plates, I have no doubt folks saw it. It's a car you'd definitely notice. I just think they lost track of when they saw it. Unfortunate, but it happens.

Wait....I need to rewatch the Brad Bishop case. Wasn't there a similar case where a hercule poirot like detective (spy?) ran into a suspect in UK? (Possible bad accent skills from the reenactment actor if I remember correctly)

Wait....I need to rewatch the Brad Bishop case. Wasn't there a similar case where a hercule poirot like detective (spy?) ran into a suspect in UK? (Possible bad accent skills from the reenactment actor if I remember correctly)

Bishop's coworker allegedly saw him in a bathroom in Italy 2-3 years after the murders.

Bishop's coworker allegedly saw him in a bathroom in Italy 2-3 years after the murders.

Complete and utter bs of a story that guy told. Authorities wasted a lot of time and manpower on that. Why that coworker felt he needed to insert himself into the investigation is an unsolved mystery in itself. One investigator thought the coworker did that to intentionally run interference for Bishop

One investigator thought the coworker did that to intentionally run interference for Bishop

Interesting...

That puts a whole other spin on his cryptic comment about how Bishop's wife and mother constantly belittled him and how he "put them in their place".

All 5 witnesses of Michael Martin were mistaken or lying... or both!

I swear there was a case where a detective/agent/spy ran into a fugitive or something......in the UK
I don't remember if it was a store or a cafe or newspaper stand. ...

I swear there was a case where a detective/agent/spy ran into a fugitive or something......in the UK
I don't remember if it was a store or a cafe or newspaper stand. ...



Think you're referring to the Brad Biahop story. I'm pretty certain that guy was mistaken

Add me in as one of the ones who thought that coworker of William Bradley Bishop was lying about seeing him in Italy. As I was watching it I immediately laughed at how absurd it was. Like, what are the chances?! I just can't decide if he really thought it was him or, like another poster said, if he was just covering up for Brad somehow. Why he would cover for him after what he did, I have no idea...

All 5 witnesses of Michael Martin were mistaken or lying... or both!

I disagree with that one. I believe them over Doyle. Nothing was ever recovered from the robbery and I'm sure next door neighbors know who they were hanging out with at the time of the events and had nothing to gain by lying under oath

Just saw the case of Lauren Jackson, the 5 year old who was kidnapped while playing outside in the dirt in front of her home. She was living with her mother st the time, but her father was preparing to sue for custody. It was known that there was a lot of drug activity around the apartment complex they lived in, and Lauren's mother had recently been arrested for illegal possession of prescription pills.

Anyway, at the time that neighbors reported seeing Lauren playing in the dirt, a witness stated she saw Lauren's mother handing the child off to a couple, and forcing her into a car against her will. So either that lady was mistaken on the identity, or if it did happen, she was off on the time.

Anyway, at the time that neighbors reported seeing Lauren playing in the dirt, a witness stated she saw Lauren's mother handing the child off to a couple, and forcing her into a car against her will. So either that lady was mistaken on the identity, or if it did happen, she was off on the time.

I don't think the lady saw Lauren or her mother. A 4 month investigation done by a grand jury was mentioned in the UM segment, and it declined to charge her mother. I always thought it was weird that they mentioned this witness to paint the mother as a possible suspect when even members of law enforcement seemed skeptical due to people at the apartments placing Lauren and her mother there at the time the woman claims to have seen them at the mall.

I don't think the lady saw Lauren or her mother. A 4 month investigation done by a grand jury was mentioned in the UM segment, and it declined to charge her mother. I always thought it was weird that they mentioned this witness to paint the mother as a possible suspect when even members of law enforcement seemed skeptical due to people at the apartments placing Lauren and her mother there at the time the woman claims to have seen them at the mall.

I agree. After all I've read on this case, I don't think the mother was responsible for this. She wasn't exactly the mother of the year, but I believe Lauren was abducted. I was quite put off however by the fact that the friend she was playing with just left her there by herself when he left with his mother. Obviously not the child's fault, but I do feel the mother should have alerted Christina to the fact that they were leaving and didn't want Lauren to be unsupervised.

I agree. After all I've read on this case, I don't think the mother was responsible for this. She wasn't exactly the mother of the year, but I believe Lauren was abducted. I was quite put off however by the fact that the friend she was playing with just left her there by herself when he left with his mother. Obviously not the child's fault, but I do feel the mother should have alerted Christina to the fact that they were leaving and didn't want Lauren to be unsupervised.

That is a point that gets glossed over in the segment, but I agree.

I think the lady in the Kari Lynn Nixon segment was personally convinced she had seen Kari, though obviously she didn't, but I do think that maybe a girl gave her Kari's name off a missing child poster. Some kids are mean enough to do that sort of thing.

As to Lil Miss, I think people can maybe conjure up such an image either intentionally or unintentionally, but at that time that car and that plate would literally stick out like a sore thumb.

Regarding the Lil Miss case, I believe her mother stated on this board that the theory of why so many claimed to have seen her in the area can be explained partially by the fact that there was another care of the exact same make and model in that general area at the time.

I swear there was a case where a detective/agent/spy ran into a fugitive or something......in the UK
I don't remember if it was a store or a cafe or newspaper stand. ...


I think you're thinking of Amy Billig, when the PI claimed to have been approached by a biker offering to sell him "Mute".

I think you're thinking of Amy Billig, when the PI claimed to have been approached by a biker offering to sell him "Mute".

Living in England I had to laugh at the segment-the idea of bikers approaching some random pensioner in a tweed jacket at the local post office to sell him a sex slave is hilarious. I assume he or somebody he was associated with had read a book or magazine article on the case. I can't remember any great panics here about biker gangs in the 1980's/early 1990's when I think this incident was supposed to have happened, although there has always been a hangover from the panic over Mods & Rockers fighting in the 1960's.

I think you're thinking of Amy Billig, when the PI claimed to have been approached by a biker offering to sell him "Mute".

Welcome to the board, lemonade17! :wave: Always nice to have new members (especially from Minnesota). ;)

I was really surprised that UM updated Amy Bilig's case on Amazon with the death bed confession and then saying may parts of it were corroborated. As far as I understood, that story ended up being considered bogus because the confessor's wife was paid for it. I thought even Amy's mom didn't believe it in the end.

I think you're thinking of Amy Billig, when the PI claimed to have been approached by a biker offering to sell him "Mute".

Yup! You got it

This thread made me think of the book keeper in the Jean Moore segment.

I don't see any ready reason why she'd lie about talking to both Al and Jean on the phone while they were supposed to have been in Laughlin, NV, but there exists no evidence Jean ever made it up there herself, IIRC.

The Larry Gibson segment has moments like this. I doubt Karen saw two people take Tommy from the driveway. And I doubt she saw her father stash Tommy in a garbage bag. I also doubt that neighbour saw the potential abductors driving in front of her.