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whats ur fav et-ufo story or most believable et-ufo story.:lol:

the et-ufo story must involve witnesses who sincerely and genuinely believe they saw an et-ufo. :p

my favs:happyface
edwin fuhr of canada in 1973 or so saw 1 flying saucer, then he saw 6 on his farm. these ufo created crop circles then flew away:eek:

australia westerfield ufo story an entire school children saw UFO fly away.:crazy:

zamora ufo story police officer sees tiny beings enter an egg shaped craft and flew away.:lol:

rendelshen forest incident, where 2 guys aw a ufo with egyptian styl heiroglphs.
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:eek:

I think there's a very similar thread already in existence.

For me the most believable UFO story was the December 1980 Cash / Landrum case.

Do I believe they encountered an "Unidentified Flying Object" that night?

Very much so.

Do I think it was from Outer Space being driven by Aliens?

Not at all

I think it was some type of Government testing aircraft that had devastating long term effects on both those Women.

There was a thread, I thought on this forum, but I've searched and can't find it. In the discussion, I definitely asked if Colby had been interviewed or voluntarily made a statement as an adult, and someone said no. Anyhow, in the thread in question someone said there either were no medical records of the radiation illnesses, or that written records and photographs had not been released. I just wanted to say the other day one of the many paranormal programs I watch covered the Cash/Landrum incident and did show photographs marked as being "actual witness" or "actual victim" photographs.

Favourite is the Guardian case in Canada. Also found the Michalak case funny with the damn Yankee boys comment. I was a UFO & Ghosts nut from childhood so knew about most of these cases before seeing them on UM.

None of them are Believable as an adult having read books that aren't pro supernatural as I did from childhood into my twenties.

I think there's a very similar thread already in existence.

For me the most believable UFO story was the December 1980 Cash / Landrum case.

Do I believe they encountered an "Unidentified Flying Object" that night?

Very much so.

Do I think it was from Outer Space being driven by Aliens?

Not at all

I think it was some type of Government testing aircraft that had devastating long term effects on both those Women.


ah yes :crazy:

but its now 2015 what kind of craft could it be?

im not saying it was aliens but :crazy:

Favourite is the Guardian case in Canada. Also found the Michalak case funny with the damn Yankee boys comment. I was a UFO & Ghosts nut from childhood so knew about most of these cases before seeing them on UM.

None of them are Believable as an adult having read books that aren't pro supernatural as I did from childhood into my twenties.
:happyface :wave: :talk: me to

there was a time magazine series at my library on ufo :talk:

i do believe we have been visited by a higher intelligence:eek:

There was a thread, I thought on this forum, but I've searched and can't find it. In the discussion, I definitely asked if Colby had been interviewed or voluntarily made a statement as an adult, and someone said no. Anyhow, in the thread in question someone said there either were no medical records of the radiation illnesses, or that written records and photographs had not been released. I just wanted to say the other day one of the many paranormal programs I watch covered the Cash/Landrum incident and did show photographs marked as being "actual witness" or "actual victim" photographs.


there was a polish guy who saw a ufo and got closed to it then he got burned and had burn marks

Stephen Michalak Encounter at Falcon Lake

Date: May 20, 1967
Location: Falcon Lake, Manitoba, Canada

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/pictures/Michalak.jpg

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/pictures/MichalakDrawing.jpg

I would say the most interesting case that I don't think UM covered was the Robert Taylor case from 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_incident

This was never on UM but is anyone here familiar with the 1966 Westall High School UFO incident in Melbourne, AUSTRALIA?

This was never on UM but is anyone here familiar with the 1966 Westall High School UFO incident in Melbourne, AUSTRALIA?

Yes, quite a well known case in Ufology.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4208

Yes, quite a well known case in Ufology.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4208

As has been said of that and many others, "If this was an experimental craft manufactured by someone on earth at the time, well, where is it now?"

As has been said of that and many others, "If this was an experimental craft manufactured by someone on earth at the time, well, where is it now?"


Possibly part of the new-ish playground there? :lol:

http://http://www.weekendnotes.com/ufo-park-the-grange-reserve-westall/

http://www.weekendnotes.com/im/001/01/the-grange-flying-saucer-play-equipment1.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/N7oPVqbscLM/mqdefault.jpg

http://www.weekendnotes.com/im/009/00/alien-wobble-boards-at-the-grange-westall.jpg

I think the Bentwaters case, as well as the Valentich case are the most interesting to me. Bentwaters was intriguing because it all happened on a US military base in England with many witnesses to the phenomenon. Valentich because you have him explaining what he is supposedly seeing to ATC, as well as witnesses on the ground who supposedly saw the green light over his plane.

Probably the one in England on a RAF post. Was probably some type of govt test but was still pretty cool. Also liked the Belgian ufo.

Probably the one in England on a RAF post. Was probably some type of govt test but was still pretty cool. Also liked the Belgian ufo.

Yeah, the England one you are referring to is the one I was talking about on my previous post. Bentwaters. Very interesting incident.

I forgot about the Belgian UFO one. That one was very weird too.

I think the Bentwaters case, as well as the Valentich case are the most interesting to me. Bentwaters was intriguing because it all happened on a US military base in England with many witnesses to the phenomenon. Valentich because you have him explaining what he is supposedly seeing to ATC, as well as witnesses on the ground who supposedly saw the green light over his plane.

Valentich is a sad tale of how obsessive beliefs led an impulsive, mediocre pilot to ignore his training, instructions & common sense that cost him his life.

Valentich is a sad tale of how obsessive beliefs led an impulsive, mediocre pilot to ignore his training, instructions & common sense that cost him his life.
what about the other witnesses?:confused:

what about the other witnesses?:confused:

Other witnesses to what? Him mistaking Mars, Venus, Mercury & Antares for an alien spacecraft? A witness later described seeing a green light which would likely be the plane's navigation light that Valentich had described seeing to control.

Yeah, the England one you are referring to is the one I was talking about on my previous post. Bentwaters. Very interesting incident.

I forgot about the Belgian UFO one. That one was very weird too.
Thanks as I had forgotten the name. Do you know where bentwaters is at? I will be in England later this year.

Other witnesses to what? Him mistaking Mars, Venus, Mercury & Antares for an alien spacecraft? A witness later described seeing a green light which would likely be the plane's navigation light that Valentich had described seeing to control.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


edwin fuhr ever heard of him? he not only saw ufo but they created crop circles as he was watching them on his farm. in broad daylight.

and crop circles were still around for all to see :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

are skeptics really just trolls?

are skeptics really just trolls?

I don't know whether skeptics are trolls but many people are in serious denial of the truth concerning genuine phenomena.

I don't know whether skeptics are trolls but many people are in serious denial of the truth concerning genuine phenomena.
now with dancart gone i have someone new to welcome aboard:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :crazy: :crazy: :talk: :talk: :talk:

Are Crop Circles still appearing today?

Are Crop Circles still appearing today?

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2015/2015.html

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2015/2015.html


Thanks for posting the link Cori.

As was discussed in the Bigfoot thread, in this age of super clear Digital Cameras and HD recording equipment why hasn't anyone ever recorded one of these things being created by UFO's (or whoever the hell is doing them). It just seems very, very odd.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


edwin fuhr ever heard of him? he not only saw ufo but they created crop circles as he was watching them on his farm. in broad daylight.

and crop circles were still around for all to see :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

are skeptics really just trolls?

According to him-no other witnesses, no photographic evidence etc despite this happening in broad daylight. Again we come back to the problem of why exactly advanced beings would travel light years to earth to create circles in farmers fields & dissect cattle, oh yes & to abduct backwoods hillbillies.

Thanks for posting the link Cori.

As was discussed in the Bigfoot thread, in this age of super clear Digital Cameras and HD recording equipment why hasn't anyone ever recorded one of these things being created by UFO's (or whoever the hell is doing them). It just seems very, very odd.

Yep, quite incredible. You would think in this age of hi tech video equipment being available to the masses even on most people's phones nowadays that there would be thousands of pieces of amazing footage, yet all we still see are grainy videos of random shapes/blobs & obvious computer manipulated hoaxes.

Crop Circles are going nowhere-they have been big news since the late 1990's & were being made for decades before that. It really is incredibly easy to make them with the right number of people & the right equipment.

Valentich is a sad tale of how obsessive beliefs led an impulsive, mediocre pilot to ignore his training, instructions & common sense that cost him his life.

I would agree. Although his last words really were haunting: "It's hovering and it's not an aircraft." I would suspect that he ended up meeting a fate similar to that of John F. Kennedy, Jr.: Inexperience as a pilot led to him flying upside down due to spatial disorientation and crashing into the water.

I don't think that skeptics are trolls by any stretch of the imagination... Although I think his story has been shredded and totally debunked by skeptics, I always liked Travis Walton's story of abduction.

Made for a pretty decent movie, too.

I would agree. Although his last words really were haunting: "It's hovering and it's not an aircraft." I would suspect that he ended up meeting a fate similar to that of John F. Kennedy, Jr.: Inexperience as a pilot led to him flying upside down due to spatial disorientation and crashing into the water.

I don't think that skeptics are trolls by any stretch of the imagination... Although I think his story has been shredded and totally debunked by skeptics, I always liked Travis Walton's story of abduction.

Made for a pretty decent movie, too.

I love UFO stories, ghost stories etc-great for entertainment.

I love UFO stories, ghost stories etc-great for entertainment.
you've never heard of string theory. :eek: string theory proves there are more dimensions in the universe.:eek:

The Kecksburg UFO incident, just a strange one all around.

The military cut into phone calls, took over a house, and ordered people to leave the area. It sounds like they either knew exactly what it was (a military project or something from another country) or were completely clueless.

The Kecksburg UFO incident, just a strange one all around.

The military cut into phone calls, took over a house, and ordered people to leave the area. It sounds like they either knew exactly what it was (a military project or something from another country) or were completely clueless.

One of my favourite cases.

http://www.theironskeptic.com/articles/goblins/goblins.htm

While I'm an admitted hardcore skeptic and cynic, I'm among the "I want to believe" crowd. The UFO stories I find most genuine traditionally involve multiple, independent sightings that are probably more rationally explained by some sort of "covert test flight" by local airforces etc., but with that said, I personally most "want to believe" the following:

- Kecksburg UFO incident
- Cash-Landrum incident
- Falcon Lake/Stephen Michalak incident

While I'm an admitted hardcore skeptic and cynic, I'm among the "I want to believe" crowd. The UFO stories I find most genuine traditionally involve multiple, independent sightings that are probably more rationally explained by some sort of "covert test flight" by local airforces etc., but with that said, I personally most "want to believe" the following:

- Kecksburg UFO incident
- Cash-Landrum incident
- Falcon Lake/Stephen Michalak incident
I think most of the legit ufo/ghost segments can be explained. Maria lights and a few others are strange but I feel like govts test crafts and try to protect their assets not aliens. Even the Belgian ufo could easily have been a false signal or a jammer signal.

I think most of the legit ufo/ghost segments can be explained. Maria lights and a few others are strange but I feel like govts test crafts and try to protect their assets not aliens. Even the Belgian ufo could easily have been a false signal or a jammer signal.


explain those 3. plus edwin fuhr:wave:

explain those 3. plus edwin fuhr:wave:

http://www.debunker.com/Kecksburg.html

http://badufos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/between-beer-joint-and-some-kind-of.html

http://www.theironskeptic.com/articles/michalak/michalak.htm

http://www.debunker.com/Kecksburg.html

http://badufos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/between-beer-joint-and-some-kind-of.html

http://www.theironskeptic.com/articles/michalak/michalak.htm
Thanks! You also have to consider the hoaxes too. I think phx lights could have been a hoax based on a later discovery.

http://www.debunker.com/Kecksburg.html

http://badufos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/between-beer-joint-and-some-kind-of.html

http://www.theironskeptic.com/articles/michalak/michalak.htm

so when a skeptic says something then they're always right?:mad: ever been skeptical of the skeptics?:eek:

so when a skeptic says something then they're always right?:mad: ever been skeptical of the skeptics?:eek:

Nope, you asked for alternative explanations & there they are.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/N7oPVqbscLM/mqdefault.jpg



I need one of those for my backyard.

ever been skeptical of the skeptics?

Of some of them, sure, since imo skepticism is nonbelief, not automatic disbelief. I don't think that everyone who has seen unexplained phenomena is lying. I'm open to changing my opinion if the scientific evidence is there.

The Belgian ufo wave is one of the more interesting cases. I think some of the witnesses were credible in that they believed they saw a ufo, but the sightings may have been aircraft lights. Part of the problem was that a Belgian ufo organization, along with the media, was heavily promoting and publicizing the ufo theory at the time, which lead to more people defaulting to the assumption that the light configurations that they saw were extraterrestrial. Toss a few liars into the mix; at least one of the photos has been debunked.

The radar that supposedly picked up the ufo is the big question. The object, if there was one, was never seen by the F-16 pilots. Radar isn't infallible and it might have been the result of atmospheric conditions that cause radar mirages, possibly temperature inversions. I'm skeptical that whatever was causing the radar returns was extraterrestrial in origin but it's a case that is worth further research.

Nope, you asked for alternative explanations & there they are.
so uh ru a skeptic of say global warming?

plenty of global warming skeptics with alternative explanations.

just in the news, global warming help prevent a disastrous new ice age

Ice age delayed by humans... by 100000 years - CNN.com
CNN‎ - 6 hours ago

so uh ru a skeptic of say global warming?

plenty of global warming skeptics with alternative explanations.

just in the news, global warming help prevent a disastrous new ice age

Ice age delayed by humans... by 100000 years - CNN.com
CNN‎ - 6 hours ago

Sure they have them-but not very convincing ones because the scientific evidence contradicts what they say, plus the majority are the people who have spent decades making huge profits from oil, the aviation industry etc & are now finding any scientist who likes money to parrot off their rubbish.

Just like the tobacco industry spent decades saying their products cause no harm & lying to congress during the 1990's.

I need one of those for my backyard.



Of some of them, sure, since imo skepticism is nonbelief, not automatic disbelief. I don't think that everyone who has seen unexplained phenomena is lying. I'm open to changing my opinion if the scientific evidence is there.

The Belgian ufo wave is one of the more interesting cases. I think some of the witnesses were credible in that they believed they saw a ufo, but the sightings may have been aircraft lights. Part of the problem was that a Belgian ufo organization, along with the media, was heavily promoting and publicizing the ufo theory at the time, which lead to more people defaulting to the assumption that the light configurations that they saw were extraterrestrial. Toss a few liars into the mix; at least one of the photos has been debunked.

The radar that supposedly picked up the ufo is the big question. The object, if there was one, was never seen by the F-16 pilots. Radar isn't infallible and it might have been the result of atmospheric conditions that cause radar mirages, possibly temperature inversions. I'm skeptical that whatever was causing the radar returns was extraterrestrial in origin but it's a case that is worth further research.
i believe what the f16 saw was a result of radar jamming. If you don't already know about this search and you will get an idea of what that is.

I think Kecksburg was a Soviet satellite that crashed. The Army troops had to be from the Nike bases around Pittsburgh.

My fave UFO one because it turned to be fake was the mortician who claimed to be involved with Roswell. The Air Force later investigated his UM statements and easily discovered that almost every claim made on the UM episode was easily proven to be false:
1. the mortician did not work for the funeral home until years after 1947
2. there was no nurse with the name given ever stationed at Roswell although if you combined the names of two you got the given name
3. no nurse ever died in a mysterious car crash in England
4. during the period the mortician actually worked for the funeral home there was a big crash at Roswell with many dead bodies that the ewlderly witness may have remembered

these facts prove that UM either does zero research apart from taking as fact the statements of witnesses from 40-50 years before as factual or ignored the truth to present entertainment. Since I liked the show, I will go with the former but will not ever take as fact anything presented on the show without independent authority.
also don't trust witnesses from fifty years later

I think Kecksburg was a Soviet satellite that crashed. The Army troops had to be from the Nike bases around Pittsburgh.

My fave UFO one because it turned to be fake was the mortician who claimed to be involved with Roswell. The Air Force later investigated his UM statements and easily discovered that almost every claim made on the UM episode was easily proven to be false:
1. the mortician did not work for the funeral home until years after 1947
2. there was no nurse with the name given ever stationed at Roswell although if you combined the names of two you got the given name
3. no nurse ever died in a mysterious car crash in England
4. during the period the mortician actually worked for the funeral home there was a big crash at Roswell with many dead bodies that the ewlderly witness may have remembered

these facts prove that UM either does zero research apart from taking as fact the statements of witnesses from 40-50 years before as factual or ignored the truth to present entertainment. Since I liked the show, I will go with the former but will not ever take as fact anything presented on the show without independent authority.
also don't trust witnesses from fifty years later
Clearly it was a segment for entertainment. People have always been intrigued by ufos and do not trust the govt. conspiracies then arise. Um loved a good ole fashioned conspiracy and so do most viewers.

i believe what the f16 saw was a result of radar jamming. If you don't already know about this search and you will get an idea of what that is.

Thanks for the information! In that era, it wouldn't be out of question if another country, even a so called ally, did stealth flights over Belgium, which would explain the radar readings and the sightings.

Sure they have them-but not very convincing ones because the scientific evidence contradicts what they say, plus the majority are the people who have spent decades making huge profits from oil, the aviation industry etc & are now finding any scientist who likes money to parrot off their rubbish.

Just like the tobacco industry spent decades saying their products cause no harm & lying to congress during the 1990's.

if you've been following the news, global warming saved us from the greater disaster of an ice age. global temperatures actually dropped from 1900 to 1970s then started increasing.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/14/world/ice-age-postponed/


Ice age delayed by humans... by 100,000 years


global warming is good:eek:

I think some of these segments are the result of aliens (some legal and some illegal) spying on one another to preserve their plane. :eek:

Thanks for the information! In that era, it wouldn't be out of question if another country, even a so called ally, did stealth flights over Belgium, which would explain the radar readings and the sightings.
very true, it would have been bold, but possible. I would not take anything off the table for the way our country or some of the others have conducted intel over the years. More logically it could have been Belgium testing something and just using their own pilots to research without telling them anything.

If you search about RPAs and stealth crafts etc you will already see that one crashed in a foreign country. we also used them to find Osama bin Laden allegedly without Pakistani knowledge, but I'm not sure about that. I'm in the aviation industry and it is interesting. it is a very fluid period right now with changes in technology and govts especially ours are typical well ahead of society with technical research. in today's society that is a little scary when you think about that. the next wave is AI...the military has already been using this I reckon, but the question is how much is too much? all it takes is one mistake to start a war.

Regarding the Cash/Landrum case, in another thread, someone linked me to this website which pokes holes in their story. Be interested to see what the rest of you think. http://badufos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/between-beer-joint-and-some-kind-of.html

Does anyone remember the UFO sightings in upstate New York?

I remember it being spectacular. Someone nice want to remind me?

Does anyone remember the UFO sightings in upstate New York?

I remember it being spectacular. Someone nice want to remind me?

Allagash abductions?

Does anyone remember the UFO sightings in upstate New York?

I remember it being spectacular. Someone nice want to remind me?

You mean the Linda Cortile case-where she underwent hypnosis & supposedly the UN General Secretary witnessed her abduction?