View Full Version : Looking for some infamous talk show episodes, including my aunts on Donahue


unsolved88
12-27-2015, 04:01 PM
I enjoy older talk shows. Last year, I was able to download an HBO America Undercover episode from 1997 (but appeared to have been taped over about three year's time) entitled "Talked to Death" about how these shows exploit people. Different guests who said they were wronged or misled by the producers of these shows were interviewed. The whole documentary used to be on YouTube, but now all that's on there is the segment they did about the Scott Amedure incident on Jenny Jones. Two segments -- one about Maury and the other about Montel Williams -- made me want to see the full episodes discussed. There's also an episode of Sally from 1994 that I'd like to see. Warning! The description of the Maury episode is long and comes from the documentary.

Maury: "Breast Implant Horror" (April 30, 1992)
Laura Thorpe was a 39-year-old wife and mother from New Mexico. After her insurance company refused to pay for the removal of the silicone breast implants that she claimed were making her sick, she took matters into her own hands. After her husband and kids went to bed for the night, Laura took a razor blade to her breasts and cut the implants out herself! The story hit headlines and talk shows wanted to interview her. This led to an appearance on The Maury Povich Show on April 30, 1992, just a few weeks after the incident.

http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112452985_s01.do
http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112452985_s02.do
http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112452985_s03.do
http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112452985_s04.do
http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112452985_s05.do

But Maury wasn't the first choice, Laura claimed. She was initially contacted by the Sally Jessy-Raphael crew (the "Sally people") who flew them to New York, put them in a fancy hotel and even gave them spending money. As such, she agreed to do the Sally show first. She was in the Sally green room and said she felt uncomfortable about going through with it because of the other guests (she claimed it resembled a "circus show" with people who had gross piercings and tattoos, etc.) and went back to the hotel to collect herself for a bit. From there, she said she was approached by one of the Maury people who said that they wanted to talk to her. When they met, she apologized that she wouldn't be doing his show that day as she was getting ready to do Sally's. They then whisked her into hair and makeup and guilted her into doing the show for "just a few minutes". She was promised by the show that they wouldn't air her appearance on Maury until after her appearance on Sally aired. While she was out there being interviewed, Maury brought on New York plastic surgeon Dr. Joseph Pober to give his take on Laura's situation. Laura said it was at this point that she realized that she had been lured to the Maury show by the producers and that the whole thing was "pre-meditated to get me to do that [Maury's] show". Even Pober told HBO that he thought he was only going to appear on the show to discuss the pros and cons of breast implant surgery. He had no idea that he would be sitting next to a woman who mutilated herself to remove the implants. After the show, he was so concerned that he examined Laura himself and told Maury that she needed immediate medical attention. She was sent to the nearby hospital where doctors told her that she was lucky to still be alive with such an infection and that she needed surgery.

Pober said was visited by the Sally show producers later that evening at his office regarding Laura Thorpe. Would she be able to appear on Sally the following day, they wanted to know, adding that she was already booked as a guest. He told them that Laura was in the hospital and would be undergoing surgery the following day. The answer was no. So the producers began calling the hospital trying to get in touch with Laura herself!
They asked her if she could do the surgery at three in the morning and then be ready to do the show later that same morning. When she said no, they threatened to sue her. Laura did somehow manage to complete her surgery and get cleared medically to do the show. But as she was getting ready to leave the hospital, the Sally people called and told her not to come.

Maury, of course, tells a different story. He says Laura came to him and asked to do his show instead.

There are a few different versions of how Laura ended up on the Maury show, as well as different accounts as to whether or not she was actually becoming sick from the implants or was just paranoid. Those who have seen the episode claim Laura repeatedly strays from the topic and Maury had to keep redirecting her. Some say that it was a result of the infection from her self-surgery, while others say her ramblings were those of someone with a pre-existing mental illness. FWIW, Laura's health continued to decline and in 1996, she had a seizure in her sleep and gagged to death on her own vomit. She was 43.

The Montel Williams Show: "Mercy Sex" (January 12, 1993)
In late 1992, Yvonne Porter of San Jose, California was contacted by the Montel Williams Show (then a fairly new show). The producer told her that she couldn't reveal the topic, but did say that it dealt with an old boyfriend of hers. She further stated that Yvonne's sister Kimberly Willis had written to the show and that she wanted both sisters to appear. After she was assured by both Kimberly and the producer that she wouldn't be humiliated on the show, Yvonne agreed. The following article explains what transpired.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940513&slug=1910219

Sally (April 7, 1994)
Roger Ellison, missing from Colorado since 1981, is featured on the show. Two different callers from Colorado's Grand Junction area notified authorities and said they recognized Roger after seeing his photo on the broadcast. One woman even went so far as to say Roger looked like a friend of her brother's. Both calls came in the same day the show aired. These calls were two of only five unconfirmed sightings of him since 1985. The calls never panned out and Roger is still missing to this day.

I will likely add more to this list, including some 1990s episodes of the Miami-based Spanish language Cristina show on Univision. These just happened to be the top three I thought of.

wiseguy182
12-28-2015, 01:14 AM
Whoa! Thanks for posting that. That is very interesting about Roger Ellison. I remember posting about that case on the Charley Project thread on the All Other Cases forum. Do you happen to know when the callers said they saw Keith? The one sighting I know of happened right after he vanished. I would be interested in seeing that too.

I remember reading about the Scott Amedure case, which was pretty huge back in the day. The episode never aired. The trial was here in Michigan and Jenny Jones had to fly to Michigan to testify.

unsolved88
12-28-2015, 10:44 AM
Whoa! Thanks for posting that. That is very interesting about Roger Keith Ellison. I remember posting about that case on the Charley Project thread on the All Other Cases forum. Do you happen to know when the callers said they saw Keith? The one sighting I know of happened right after he vanished. I would be interested in seeing that too.

I remember reading about the Scott Amedure case, which was pretty huge back in the day. The episode never aired. The trial was here in Michigan and Jenny Jones had to fly to Michigan to testify.

Unfortunately, I don't have any more info about the alleged sightings. There is a website about Roger's case called "Inside the Reporter's Notebook" which is how I found out about the Sally show appearance, but the woman who ran the website died a few years ago.

If it was an episode on missing people/children, I can't help but wonder what other cases were shown. Unless the whole show was devoted to Roger's case, which I kind of doubt.

unsolved88
12-28-2015, 10:21 PM
This looks like an interesting episode of Sally in this 1993 promo. Consider this one added to the list, despite not knowing the exact airdate.

http://www.tv-ark.org.uk/mivana/mediaplayer.php?id=2b4d5d9d608ce8577dedd1330df871fc&media=wpvi-1993-sally&type=mp4

Interesting to note that Sally Jessy Raphael was born and raised in the same city I was (Easton, PA) and graduated from the same high school I did (Easton Area High School) in 1953.

unsolved88
01-01-2016, 01:12 AM
I'm also interested in these Donahue episodes involving true crime-related topics. I'm not sure of exact airdates.

1981: Stan and Julie Patz (Etan Patz's parents) and John and Revé Walsh (Adam Walsh's parents) discuss their own cases as well as child abduction in general.

Unknown airdate, but likely in the early to mid 80s: John Sr., and Noreen Gosch are interviewed.

1985: Donahue interviews Theodore Streleski, who was just released from prison for the 1978 murder of his college professor Karel de Leeuw at Stanford.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-10-05/local/me-1109_1_gory-details-theodore-streleski-stanford-university-mathematics-professor

Possibly 1990: The family of Michele "Missy" Avila, a 17-year-old murdered by her two best friends in 1985, are interviewed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Avila

Early 1990s: "Conning other People". David Hampton was an aspiring black actor who claimed to be the son of Sidney Poitier. He wasn't, but managed to use his charm and con-artist skills to rub elbows with some of the most famous people in America. Also interviewed is Bill English, the man who tricked 20/20 into believing that he was the actor who played Buckwheat when they did a "Where Are They Now?" segment about The Little Rascals in October 1990. He was really a grocery store bagger! The real Buckwheat, William Thomas, died in 1980. The case of James Hogue, (Hogue is not personally interviewed, but a reporter who uncovered his hoax was) a man who conned his way into Princeton by posing as a self-taught orphan, is featured in the third segment.

https://books.google.com/books?id=QsXCAbaJesoC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=donahue+show+child+abuse&source=bl&ots=RqdDAfnng-&sig=gU4HFK-QB4CVmsDsV77m9_mcvQI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDvaSr2ofKAhWB2SYKHe4CBFQQ6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q&f=false

Late 1992 or early 1993: Ray and Shirley Souza are interviewed. The Lowell, MA couple were convicted of horrific sexual abuse against their daughters and grandchildren. This was at the height of the "repressed childhood abuse memories" craze that followed on the heels of Satanic Panic. The Souzas say they are innocent.

http://www.newsweek.com/rush-judgement-191610

1991-ish: Show discussing Jeffrey Dahmer. Among the panelists are relatives of a few victims, the would-be victim who escaped, and a man in disguise claiming to be a former lover of Dahmer's.

http://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/dahmermemories.html

November 30, 1994: The killing of Jeffrey Dahmer by another inmate the day before is discussed. Rita Isbell, the sister of one of Dahmer's victims, says she received at least ten different calls saying Dahmer would be killed behind bars.

knicksfan89
01-01-2016, 12:29 PM
I'm also interested in these Donahue episodes involving true crime-related topics. I'm not sure of exact airdates.

1981: Stan and Julie Patz (Etan Patz's parents) and John and Revé Walsh (Adam Walsh's parents) discuss their own cases as well as child abduction in general.

Unknown airdate, but likely in the early to mid 80s: John Sr., and Noreen Gosch are interviewed.

1985: Donahue interviews Theodore Streleski, who was just released from prison for the 1978 murder of his college professor Karel de Leeuw at Stanford.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-10-05/local/me-1109_1_gory-details-theodore-streleski-stanford-university-mathematics-professor

Possibly 1990: The family of Michele "Missy" Avila, a 17-year-old murdered by her two best friends in 1985, are interviewed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Avila

Early 1990s: "Conning other People". David Hampton was an aspiring black actor who claimed to be the son of Sidney Poitier. He wasn't, but managed to use his charm and con-artist skills to rub elbows with some of the most famous people in America. Also interviewed is Bill English, the man who tricked 20/20 into believing that he was the actor who played Buckwheat when they did a "Where Are They Now?" segment about The Little Rascals in October 1990. He was really a grocery store bagger! The real Buckwheat, William Thomas, died in 1980. The case of James Hogue, (Hogue is not personally interviewed, but a reporter who uncovered his hoax was) a man who conned his way into Princeton by posing as a self-taught orphan, is featured in the third segment.

https://books.google.com/books?id=QsXCAbaJesoC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=donahue+show+child+abuse&source=bl&ots=RqdDAfnng-&sig=gU4HFK-QB4CVmsDsV77m9_mcvQI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDvaSr2ofKAhWB2SYKHe4CBFQQ6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q&f=false

Late 1992 or early 1993: Ray and Shirley Souza are interviewed. The Lowell, MA couple were convicted of horrific sexual abuse against their daughters and grandchildren. This was at the height of the "repressed childhood abuse memories" craze that followed on the heels of Satanic Panic. The Souzas say they are innocent.

http://www.newsweek.com/rush-judgement-191610

1991-ish: Show discussing Jeffrey Dahmer. Among the panelists are relatives of a few victims, the would-be victim who escaped, and a man in disguise claiming to be a former lover of Dahmer's.

http://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/dahmermemories.html

November 30, 1994: The killing of Jeffrey Dahmer by another inmate the day before is discussed. Rita Isbell, the sister of one of Dahmer's victims, says she received at least ten different calls saying Dahmer would be killed behind bars.

do you have a full list of your stuff please?

unsolved88
01-02-2016, 09:11 PM
Regarding the Laura Thorpe incident (I don't know of any other place to discuss some of these cases individually, which I'd like to do in addition to finding the episodes), a 1994 magazine article says this is what happened after the Maury staff approached her :

An hour later, Thorpe was in a new dress, under bright lights and onstage before a live studio audience - her family never even knew she had left the hotel.

However, if you read the links from NBC Universal, it says that Laura's teenage daughter Chrissy appeared on the show with her. So at least Chrissy knew where her mother was. It's also interesting to note that the HBO documentary never mentions Chrissy being on the show with Laura, nor are any such clips shown.

I'm not sure what to make of Laura's experience on the Maury show, but I firmly believe that Yvonne Porter from the Montel show was a true victim.

knicksfan89
01-07-2016, 11:02 AM
did you get my pm unsolved?

clanoftheduck
01-19-2016, 08:04 AM
Unsolved,

Thanks for posting this. I was just talking to someone about this HBO special with the Jenny Jones case the other day and couldn't remember the name. But remember seeing that like it was only a couple years ago even though its been more like 20. Fascinating.

I've thought for a long time one of the Companies that was connected to so many of the great 80's and early 90's talk shows like that should make a nostalgia network based on just those classic shows.

Donahue, Geraldo, Sally, Maury (before he was all about the baby daddy mama drama for every episode) Jenny Jones etc.

I'd totally subscribe to that network !!

At least until it goes the way of all the other former Nostalgia networks (ie GameShow Network, Cartoon Network, TVLand, etc) and suddenly ditches the format it was expressly created for to start airing primarily (sucky) original programming :crazy:

But at least it would be fun for a year or two.

unsolved88
02-20-2016, 03:49 AM
A few more episodes of Sally.

September 13, 1995: "Why Must You Dress Like That?"

A show about teen girls who dress in overly-provocative clothing and their parents' disapproval thereof. But one teen guest, 13-year-old Charlotte, can't be interviewed. That's because she went missing from her hotel on the night of September 6, the day before the episode was to be filmed. Her mother Connie did the show without her, making a tearful plea for her daughter's safe return. Charlotte was found safe a week later. She had apparently gone off willingly with a strange man, but when she tried to leave, he held her captive and one of the man's friends raped her. Before the arrest was made and Charlotte was returned to her mother, people wondered if this was a publicity stunt orchestrated by Sally and her crew.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/talk-show-guest-13-vanishes-e-side-article-1.694530

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1995/-Sally-Jessy-Raphael-Runaway-Found-Man-Charged-With-Rape/id-742fc4a43c38c71675ae7068bfe84b01

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/442648/MOM-AND-DAUGHTER-RECOUNT-THEIR-ORDEAL-IN-THE-BIG-APPLE.html?pg=all

1995 or 1996: Fourteen-year-old Sarah Boehm went missing from her home is Rochester Township, Ohio in July 1994. Her father Jack appeared on the Sally show with a psychic who claimed that Sarah was alive and well and living in Montana. Not true! Her remains were found several miles away in Deerfield Township, Ohio in November 1994, but not conclusively identified until 2006. Her murder is still unsolved.

1996 or 1997: Darlie Routier's case is discussed. Darin apparently keeps bringing up how the surgery to Darlie's neck where she'd been cut cost $20,000.

unsolved88
02-20-2016, 11:21 PM
As you can see, I edited my title because after all this time, I could have sworn I originally added the part about my two aunts being on the Donahue show. I just NOW realized I hadn't! Yes, my mom's sister was a Donahue audience member who asked a question and her sister-in-law appeared as a guest on a different episode a few years later. I'm unsure of exact dates, but here are some details.

* My aunt Maureen (the sister) was in the audience of a late 1980s episode involving people with passive-aggressive behaviors. According to my aunt, she was wearing a white blazer over a red sweater and asked a question during the show. A friend from her job who went with her was seated alongside her and also asked a question.

* My aunt Sally Pasch (the sister-in-law; she's married to my mom and Maureen's brother) appeared on a show about medical mistakes and doctor negligence. I don't know all the details since I was little when this happened, but from what I understand, she was negligently given completely wrong medication or treatment for whatever her ailment was and nearly died. I believe the episode aired in the 1992-94 time frame. She may have gone by her full first name of "Sara" on the show. She lived in Fairfax, VA near D.C. at the time and also appeared on Larry King Live (which tapes in D.C.) to discuss the case. I definitely remember that because we were visiting her at the time and a big limo pulled up to the house to take her to the studio that night. Despite the grim circumstances that led to these interviews, Aunt Sally nonetheless says she found the overall experience of being on these shows to be exciting and was grateful for the opportunities. I think we did have the VHS of both shows, but they've since been lost.

Neither of these episodes have been posted to YouTube, and believe me, I searched. I was hoping to get a copy of each of their episodes and give it to them as a gift.

unsolved88
02-28-2016, 02:19 AM
A couple more episodes of Donahue.

January 5, 1989: The topic is incest. Miriam Booher of Arkansas appears on the panel to tell how her husband raped her daughter from her previous marriage and got her pregnant at age 12. Shortly after the airing of this episode, Nancy Booher Anonsen, the daughter in question, sued the show for invasion of privacy, humiliation and emotional distress. Here's the lawsuit details. http://www.leagle.com/decision/19931557857SW2d700_11521/ANONSEN%20v.%20DONAHUE

September 29, 1993: A 15-year-old former carjacker named Tonya Morris talks about her life of crime and mentions that she once killed someone and got away with it. Several audience members notified authorities afterward, but her murder confession ended up being a hoax. https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1290&dat=19930930&id=L0tUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XY4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6719,6305999&hl=en

unsolved88
03-14-2016, 02:32 AM
1994: Margarita Booth appears on Donahue to discuss seeing her mother Anita Vega kill her three-year-old sister Anna Marie 25 years earlier. Vega was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-11-09/features/1994313206_1_anna-marie-booth-child

unsolved88
09-10-2016, 05:24 PM
I was thinking about the Scott Amedure murder the other day and remembered hearing Donna (the female friend on the show) say that the show had vodka and orange juice in the green room and that they were trying to get them to drink to lose their inhibitions. Also, it was said that producer Ron Muccianti told Scott before the taping began "If you're nervous, have a few drinks before the show.". Muccianti denied this and said that when Scott walked into the green room, he had a beer in his hand.

That's the one aspect of this case I never believed. That always sounded to me like the victim's family adding "fluff" to the case to make the show seem more at fault than they were.

And I'm sorry, but I've studied that Jenny Jones clip countless times and I just can't see Jon as the "ticking time bomb" that his defense attorney said he was in that clip. When he laughed and said "You lied to me." to Scott after the crush was revealed, I took it to mean that Scott had previously assured him that he wasn't his secret admirer, not that he felt embarrassed to the point of murder. I get that people can hide their emotions under a veil of laughter, but I can't see a crazed homophobic murderer in that clip.

SacrifyX
08-12-2017, 12:27 AM
I've got the episode with Carl Crew and the director of The Secret Life Of Jeffrey Dahmer, and the real victims' families of Dahmer. I got the tape from Carl himself. Quality is pretty good, I recorded it in XP, plus it's got all the commercials. After the show it's got a collection of snippets from local CA news stations talking about the film, interviews with Carl, and interviews with the family members.
Carl sent me his original tape to digitize.
At the beginning of the tape there's a rare as hell unreleased workprint for a movie called 'Lunch With Larry' that was filmed around 1992, it has 2 actors from the film Blood Diner (besides Carl himself who plays the lead role).
Wish I could find the Dahmer episode of Geraldo (original broadcast with commercials), and the episode of Maury about Richard Ramirez (also the original broadcast with commercials).

justins5256
08-12-2017, 09:13 AM
This is just a thought, but I do remember that a lot of these shows (Maury, Donahue) used to have a phone number or an address at the end of the show where you could contact to request a copy or a transcript of an episode. I'm guessing these services are probably no longer operational all these years later, but has anyone tried?