:crazy: there's a show called Sensing Murder.


Deb Webber
Sue Nicholson
Kelvin Cruickshank

offer readings.

i'm impressed with them.

which UM case would you like them to "read"? would you believe their answers?

Suppose Deb Webber Sue Nicholson Kelvin Cruickshank said your favorite case, say Cindy James or Catherine Koreliaus and gave a reading.

what impresses me is they give a photo of the victim upside down and they often give correct gender, age, appearance hair color and even name. thats amazing.


wouldn't it be awesome if they said Cindy James was murdered? or that Jeffrey MacDonald there was 4 intruders, or that Koreliaus was a victim of an attempted botched kidnapping? or gave the name of the Zodiac Killer.

I want them to come to the US to provide readings.

Sensing Murder UM edition where they look at UM cases :crazy:

Sensing Murder has already covered at least one UM case: the 1982 murders of Bobbi Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee, back in 2006.

The two individuals "reading" the case, IIRC, had completely conflicting ideas about the motive for the murders. I'm also pretty sure one claimed it was two men who committed the crimes, while the other said it was a single person.

The Oberholtzer/Schnee case remains unsolved.

Sensing Murder has already covered at least one UM case: the 1982 murders of Bobbi Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee, back in 2006.

The two individuals "reading" the case, IIRC, had completely conflicting ideas about the motive for the murders. I'm also pretty sure one claimed it was two men who committed the crimes, while the other said it was a single person.

The Oberholtzer/Schnee case remains unsolved.

oh thanks. i did not know that. what were their motives? typically in a reading they give a photo upside down, so if they got some of the details right i'm listening.

And so goes the state of television today-hey let's get a bunch of frauds in to make vague statements on murders & sell it as entertainment.

And so goes the state of television today-hey let's get a bunch of frauds in to make vague statements on murders & sell it as entertainment.
how do you explain Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber ability to come up with so many details with photo upside down?

another mystery

how do you explain Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber ability to come up with so many details with photo upside down?

another mystery

http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia127.html

http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia127.html

yeah....ever seen sensing murder and Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber? that skeptic article doesn't address what Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber are able to do.

they provide a photo of their face down. you see Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber providing names, age, gender, hair color, race, then details of the case, before flipping photo over.

i'm impressed. i would like them to work on katherine koralieus case.

i'll post my fav episodes if you watch it and talk abou it

yeah....ever seen sensing murder and Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber? that skeptic article doesn't address what Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber are able to do.

they provide a photo of their face down. you see Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber providing names, age, gender, hair color, race, then details of the case, before flipping photo over.

i'm impressed. i would like them to work on katherine koralieus case.

i'll post my fav episodes if you watch it and talk abou it

I've got a bridge to sell you if you're interested.

how do you explain Kelvin Cruickshank and Deb Webber ability to come up with so many details with photo upside down?

another mystery

How did Randi know what was in the envelope?

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http://www.immortality.co.nz/psychic.html

Total arrests as a result of leads provided by psychics = 0

Total bodies located by psychics = 0

Total number of crimes solved by psychics = 0

As of series three of Sensing Murder, total amount of new information provided by psychics = 0

These figures are for the entire world and are kept up to date.

I've got a bridge to sell you if you're interested.

I've got some ocean-front property here in Montana, too... :)

I've got a bridge to sell you if you're interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ZXYpvhE_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ZXYpvhE_w


Sensing Murder S02E07 A Mother's Worst Nightmare


they correct state her appearance gender and name and age hair color from photo turned face down. starts 22 minutes.
"i'm getting female energy" deb says. "sandy blond eblue eyes" says kelvin

interesting cases from Nz and Aus

im a believer.

i wish they do ever y UM case including kaatherine korzelius and jonbenet to cindy james zodiac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ZXYpvhE_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ZXYpvhE_w


Sensing Murder S02E07 A Mother's Worst Nightmare


they correct state her appearance gender and name and age hair color from photo turned face down. starts 22 minutes.
"i'm getting female energy" deb says. "sandy blond eblue eyes" says kelvin

interesting cases from Nz and Aus

im a believer.

i wish they do ever y UM case including kaatherine korzelius and jonbenet to cindy james zodiac

What a shame that they can see all this stuff but cannot give a description of the abductor, his name-which seeing as Amber knew him according to them would be straightforward if they really were communicating with her, or even the licence plate of the vehicle. Fail.

Anybody would think this show which dresses up people's personal tragedies as ratings entertainment might be telling porkies when they say they don't clue them in about what case they will be doing or that they are kept under strict supervision.

What a shame that they can see all this stuff but cannot give a description of the abductor, his name-which seeing as Amber knew him according to them would be straightforward if they really were communicating with her, or even the licence plate of the vehicle. Fail.

Anybody would think this show which dresses up people's personal tragedies as ratings entertainment might be telling porkies when they say they don't clue them in about what case they will be doing or that they are kept under strict supervision.

i posted it 5 minutes ago and you've already watched in its entirety 50 minutes? :happyface

i posted it 5 minutes ago and you've already watched in its entirety 50 minutes? :happyface

Nope, I watched the pertinent bits-most of it is window dressing/background. What a shame none of these people are like any other celebrity psychic willing to subject themselves to proper testing with real controls on them, even for a million dollars. Again the number of crimes solved by psychics in history still stands at zero.

Nope, I watched the pertinent bits-most of it is window dressing/background. What a shame none of these people are like any other celebrity psychic willing to subject themselves to proper testing with real controls on them, even for a million dollars. Again the number of crimes solved by psychics in history still stands at zero.

uve not seen UM then

uve not seen UM then

Yes, watched it religiously from 1989 onwards. Again UM is an entertainment show & this stuff sells to the public, if you look into the claims UM spun as legit in detail-such as those of Dorothy Allison the truth is totally different.

Yes, watched it religiously from 1989 onwards. Again UM is an entertainment show & this stuff sells to the public, if you look into the claims UM spun as legit in detail-such as those of Dorothy Allison the truth is totally different.

there were several crimes solved by psychis.

Even Houdini the worlds greatest magician knew best. These people use their intelligence to solve or try to help solve crimes. I'm open minded but I don't believe psychics are using something supernatural. I think they use facts just like detectives do and mask it as some magical power capitalizing on the public that really wants this to be true, but it is still guess work. I think as a young child I was willing to believe in some of the supernatural things I saw on UM, but many of the solved crimes were not solved by magic. And there were cases where so called psychics were dead wrong.

Sensing Murder has already covered at least one UM case: the 1982 murders of Bobbi Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee, back in 2006.

The two individuals "reading" the case, IIRC, had completely conflicting ideas about the motive for the murders. I'm also pretty sure one claimed it was two men who committed the crimes, while the other said it was a single person.

The Oberholtzer/Schnee case remains unsolved.

Technically, they came up with the theory that two men were present for Annette's murder (probably to do the sexual assaulting), one of them pulled the trigger and they BOTH disposed of the body.

The accomplice got some sort of sick high off the whole ordeal and wanted to do it again so he went out by himself a couple hours later, kidnapped Bobbie, tried to rape her and ended up killing her all on his own.

One of the psychics actually came up with two names (that were bleeped out) and after investigating, it was found out that one of the men was from the area but had died in an attempted bank robbery a few years earlier.

A revenge motive was brought up in regards to Bobbie. No motive was brought up for Annette.

there were several crimes solved by psychis.

No, there were several crimes claimed to be solved by psychics-there is a big difference.

Even Houdini the worlds greatest magician knew best. These people use their intelligence to solve or try to help solve crimes. I'm open minded but I don't believe psychics are using something supernatural. I think they use facts just like detectives do and mask it as some magical power capitalizing on the public that really wants this to be true, but it is still guess work. I think as a young child I was willing to believe in some of the supernatural things I saw on UM, but many of the solved crimes were not solved by magic. And there were cases where so called psychics were dead wrong.

Indeed, they work on probabilities just like the cops do. Just like when they do readings they make educated guesses based on people's appearance, mannerisms, behaviour etc. Also they tend to make very vague statements rather than detailed information which would expose them as frauds & can let them claim some credit if their hunch pans out.

Sensing Murder is a television crime series that ran for three seasons between 2003 and 2005, using well-known psychics, in an attempt to help with unsolved "cold-case" murders. The series was screened in the United States, Australia, and New Zealand, and based on the Danish programme Fornemmelse for mord.

26 episodes have been produced for Australian and New Zealand audiences across four seasons. Despite having their participating psychics stated as "genuine" by New Zealand psychologist Nigel Latta, not a single murder investigated has resulted in any arrests with the use of these psychics. Sites such as 'Silly Beliefs' criticised Latta's conclusion, wondering if skeptics had really determined psychics were real or whether it was an extended scam by the production company. Based on the lack of tangible results from this psychic crime fighting, most skeptics have came to the conclusion that "Sensing Murder" was a scam.[1][2]

In 2010, Christchurch skeptic Tony Andrews offered NZ$20,000 to any psychic who appeared on the programme, to prove their abilities in a simple open test, not affected by cheating or personal bias. None of the psychics have yet taken up his offer.[3]

Sensing Murder Strikes Out Again
Monday, 25 June 2012, 1:03 pm
Press Release: Skeptics


Sensing Murder Strikes Out Again

The discovery of the body of missing prostitute Jayne Furlong on the beach at Port Waikato directly contradicts the claims by the Sensing Murder exploitainment show that self-proclaimed psychics Deb Webber and Kelvin Cruickhank were able to “tune into the location of Jayne’s body”.

On the show, which aired in October 2007, Cruickshank proclaimed confidently that Jayne was “not outside the city; she’s inside the city” (Auckland). He added references to dirt, hammers, jackhammers, concrete, concluding that her body hadn’t been moved from the scene and suggesting she’d been buried under a demolition site.

Last week’s sad discovery of Jayne’s body in isolated coastal sand dunes bears no resemblance whatsoever to Cruickshank’s claimed visions.

“How many times do they have to be wrong before it becomes blindingly obvious that these psychic performances are just exploitative guessing games?” The only people who benefit from this are the psychics who have made great business off the back of the marketing push for their shoddy exploitainment programme,” says Vicki Hyde of the NZ Skeptics.

Even when the show aired, the performances of the two psychics contradicted each other. Webber described the killer as being a white, 50-year-old man, driving a BMW and associated with a finance company – a standard stereotype of a professional out on the town. Cruickshank produced a different stereotype -- a balding man, lots of tattoos and motorbikes and some kind of pay-back motive.

Even less surprising is the identification by the psychics that the young teen-age prostitute had worked in the K’ Rd area, probably the best-known place in the country for sex worker activity, says Hyde. Such details, including the young woman’s specific patch, had been clearly identified in news reports and seen in a re-enactment on the Crime Watch programme.

In 2007, the psychics pinpointed Auckland Domain as a likely locale for the body as, according to Cruickshank, she would be found not far from where she was last seen. The actual location of the body at Port Waikato is some 86 kilometres distant from the K’ Rd area.

“There are thousands of cases where psychics have wasted police team, misdirected investigations and, worst of all, exploited vulnerable families and friends for their own ego or economic gain,” says Hyde. “This is just one more very sad example. Let’s hope the next missing person’s case sees the media ignore any psychic pronouncements.”

Hyde cites the WhatsTheHarm.net website which tracks media coverage of many such cases; the NZ Skeptics have an information flyer on Psychics and the Police, available in the resources section of their website (http://skeptics.org.nz).

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there were several crimes solved by psychis.


But, you're kind of a psychic. You communicate with Holly Glynn. :rolleyes:

there were several crimes solved by psychis.

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Sensing Murder covered a bunch of UM cases. Al Kite, the guy murdered in his basement by his mysterious roommate, for example, and the Colonial Parkway murders. The Psychics (one called herself a medium) on the show made guesses based on their experience with such cases and clues given either by the police or the situation they found themselves in. (For example if they were on a road, a car was probably involved. If they were in a forest that is probably where the body was found)... some guesses were correct or partially correct. Some were wrong.
This part was farcical but the value of the show was that it gave much greater details of the crimes than UM. I believe there was only one season of the show made in the US. No crimes were solved and I think none of the ones shown have been solved since.

I agree that UM often sacrificed accuracy for entertainment and should not be used as the source on any case. The classic example is the Travis Walton story where all negative facts including Travis and his brother's conviction for burglary several years before were never mentioned while everything Travis said was given uncritically.

but the value of the show was that it gave much greater details of the crimes than UM.

Yeah, that's what I appreciated about the episode on the 'orange sock' murders. There was a lot of footage of the sites involved in the case, photos that weren't shown on the UM segment, and a nice interview with Bobbi's husband Jeff--it was good to see him again. One of the investigators interviewed in the UM segment was also featured on the episode; I think one of the psychics "worked" with him.

Al Kite, the guy murdered in his basement by his mysterious roommate

Al Kite died in 2004; his story was never featured on UM. You might be thinking of Tim Good.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Tim_Good

But, you're kind of a psychic. You communicate with Holly Glynn. :rolleyes:

Al Kite died in 2004; his story was never featured on UM. You might be thinking of Tim Good.

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I saw the Al Kite case on some show... must have been America's Most Wanted although I stopped watching it in its later years because the show became virtually a parody of itself spending more time tauting its "captures" than reviewing cases and the host became more and more of a self-righteous avenger (culminating in his very poor current show).

Just checked AMW did the Al Kite case-- it is still on their website 9such as it is).

I saw the Al Kite case on some show... must have been America's Most Wanted although I stopped watching it in its later years because the show became virtually a parody of itself spending more time tauting its "captures" than reviewing cases and the host became more and more of a self-righteous avenger (culminating in his very poor current show).

Just checked AMW did the Al Kite case-- it is still on their website 9such as it is).

It's pretty easy to get UM and AMW cases crossed. I was never too big on AMW, especially in the later years, but the Kite case is fascinating and would've been perfect for UM. It's like a Tim-Good-meets-Beverly-McGowan kind of story. It's extremely frightening that it seems the robbery was not the primary motive for the murder--some authorities think the perpetrator was just looking for someone to kill. :eek:

It's pretty easy to get UM and AMW cases crossed. I was never too big on AMW, especially in the later years, but the Kite case is fascinating and would've been perfect for UM. It's like a Tim-Good-meets-Beverly-McGowan kind of story. It's extremely frightening that it seems the robbery was not the primary motive for the murder--some authorities think the perpetrator was just looking for someone to kill. :eek:

There is a killer in California called most commonly the Original Night Stalker. He was very thorough in his crimes and the only real evidence was his DNA (as he was also a rapist and torturer). He stopped, apparently, offending when the DNA era started and apparently has not committed any further crimes; at least his DNA has not popped up. When thinking what kind of crimes this guy would commit these days, I feel they would be well planned, thorough, involve torture (or control) and not leave a DNA trail. In other words very similar to the Al Kite case where the killer used disguises, fake accents, fake limps, etc. And the murder seems to have happened just to murder someone or for the killer to prove how smart he is.

Anyway, as convoluted as it may seem, that's why I am interested especially in the Al Kite case. And there are probably other similar crimes, both before and after 2004 that have not been connected.