View Full Version : Norman Lear on Failed "All in the Family" Spin-off "704 Hauser"


JamesG
08-02-2015, 08:08 AM
Veteran television producer Norman Lear was asked what TV series he'd like to have another crack at during his TCA panel. He mentioned the final "All in the Family" spin-off "704 Hauser" that aired from April to May of 1994 on CBS.

The series focused on a black family that has moved into the former Queens home of "All in the Family’s" Bunkers. “I wish that had succeeded because we had a lot of things to talk about in that situation,” he said.

http://deadline.com/2015/08/norman-lear-one-day-at-a-time-good-times-reboot-tca-1201489178/

king of comedy
08-02-2015, 12:36 PM
Hey I remember 704 Hauser. It had potential and it wasn't bad.

Rewinder
08-02-2015, 07:31 PM
I seen All In The Family I seen Archie Bunker's Place , I seen The Jeffersons I heard of Gloria , but never heard of this one before,

TVFactFan
08-02-2015, 07:50 PM
Glad I was in college and missed it

DJM77
08-02-2015, 08:51 PM
watch?v=8p8Dd_huHnU

treky
08-04-2015, 03:28 AM
I remember my sister watched it once and said "It's just a black version of ALL IN THE FAMILY, that's all."

cleverfun3000
08-04-2015, 09:24 AM
Please don't tell me they kept the Bunker's furniture! - I'M begging YOU!

1960'sTVfan
08-04-2015, 08:10 PM
The show failed because viewers didn't want to see other people living in the Bunker's former house. Bad idea, poor concept.

TVFactFan
08-04-2015, 11:34 PM
The show failed because viewers didn't want to see other people living in the Bunker's former house. Bad idea, poor concept.

I agree, that's like me watching a white man and black woman living in the Jeffersons old apt LOL

treky
08-05-2015, 12:04 AM
Please don't tell me they kept the Bunker's furniture! - I'M begging YOU!
I don't think so.

opus
08-18-2015, 11:15 AM
It should be mentioned that John Amos from Good Times was the father in this.

TVFactFan
08-18-2015, 10:11 PM
It should be mentioned that John Amos from Good Times was the father in this.


everyone knows that

opus
08-19-2015, 11:44 AM
everyone knows that

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TVFactFan
08-19-2015, 09:13 PM
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LOL:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I now Like you. That was funny

Edward216
09-14-2015, 01:25 AM
So bad, I don't even remember it. I don't remember seeing it or hearing about it. Oh well I doubt I really missed anything.

Ed.

WatcherofOldTV
09-14-2015, 07:34 AM
It should be mentioned that John Amos from Good Times was the father in this.

No, it shouldn't because they needed someone who was an unknown to play the part of the father.:cool:

Babalu
09-15-2015, 12:55 PM
Veteran television producer Norman Lear was asked what TV series he'd like to have another crack at during his TCA panel. He mentioned the final "All in the Family" spin-off "704 Hauser" that aired from April to May of 1994 on CBS.

The series focused on a black family that has moved into the former Queens home of "All in the Family’s" Bunkers. “I wish that had succeeded because we had a lot of things to talk about in that situation,” he said.



Notice he didn't say, "We could have done a lot of funny things on that show". He wanted to use it for his left wing propaganda machine. Even after all his successful shows he forgets that he needs a good entertaining show as a base, not just a forum for his propaganda compulsion.

bgva
09-15-2015, 07:34 PM
IIRC, it aired on Monday nights at either 8 or 8:30, which meant it was up against Fresh Prince or Blossom. That probably didn't help matters.

Come to think of it, might've aired against an NBC sitcom called Someone Like Me, which starred a young Gaby Hoffman and Nikki Cox. That one didn't last too long either.

TVFactFan
09-15-2015, 08:11 PM
IIRC, it aired on Monday nights at either 8 or 8:30, which meant it was up against Fresh Prince or Blossom. That probably didn't help matters.

Come to think of it, might've aired against an NBC sitcom called Someone Like Me, which starred a young Gaby Hoffman and Nikki Cox. That one didn't last too long either.


It did air the same time as blossom but when the series premiered on CBS during the llast 3 weeks of April in 1994, all those eps of Blossom that aired at 8:30pm were repeats

GARFIELDKOOL
09-16-2015, 12:02 PM
The show failed because viewers didn't want to see other people living in the Bunker's former house. Bad idea, poor concept.


Not only that, I don't think the show with it's topics fit in with the shows of the day. It was the early and mid 90s, I think the topics appealed to the audience of the decade.

TVFactFan
09-16-2015, 08:01 PM
Not only that, I don't think the show with it's topics fit in with the shows of the day. It was the early and mid 90s, I think the topics appealed to the audience of the decade.


What were the topics?

GARFIELDKOOL
09-17-2015, 06:37 AM
What were the topics?


It was still those 70s race topics, but a bit more mellow. They also talked politics. It wasn't dramatic like ALL In the Family. The guy who played the son was in a relationship with a Jewish woman. The guy didn't want to have sex until they were married. She was all for sex though. I gave the show a chance, but it wasn't very funny to me. It tried to be a drama with humor, but it was neither. This show was about 15 years too late

Will Dockery
02-02-2016, 09:39 AM
Veteran television producer Norman Lear was asked what TV series he'd like to have another crack at during his TCA panel. He mentioned the final "All in the Family" spin-off "704 Hauser" that aired from April to May of 1994 on CBS.

The series focused on a black family that has moved into the former Queens home of "All in the Family’s" Bunkers. “I wish that had succeeded because we had a lot of things to talk about in that situation,” he said.

http://deadline.com/2015/08/norman-lear-one-day-at-a-time-good-times-reboot-tca-1201489178/

I would have liked to have caught a couple of these.

Retro4Life
02-02-2016, 11:45 AM
Notice he didn't say, "We could have done a lot of funny things on that show". He wanted to use it for his left wing propaganda machine. Even after all his successful shows he forgets that he needs a good entertaining show as a base, not just a forum for his propaganda compulsion.

Ridiculous. If AITF had been nothing more than propaganda, it would have failed quickly; the same with Lear's other successes. Sure, he was liberal. But the shows succeeded because he was able to bring out the humanity in all sides. You really think only left wing radicals were watching that show?

Johnny be good!
01-13-2017, 11:12 PM
It definitely had potential.

EccentricGenius
04-05-2017, 07:20 PM
IIRC, it aired on Monday nights at either 8 or 8:30, which meant it was up against Fresh Prince or Blossom. That probably didn't help matters.

Come to think of it, might've aired against an NBC sitcom called Someone Like Me, which starred a young Gaby Hoffman and Nikki Cox. That one didn't last too long either.

I remember "Someone Like Me" vividly, bgva! In addition to a pre-"Unhappily Ever After" Nikki Cox, Patricia Heaton (two years before her Emmy Award-winning role as Debra Barone on "Everybody Loves Raymond") co-starred as Gaby Hoffmann's mother, and Anthony Tyler Quinn (just months prior to his role as Cory Matthews' teacher Jonathan Turner on "Boy Meets World") was cast as her father.

"Someone Like Me" was a midseason replacement for "Blossom" during the spring of 1994...it was indeed scheduled opposite "704 Hauser" on Monday nights. Sadly, "Someone Like Me" lasted only five episodes, with an additional episode left unaired; "704 Hauser" also limped through five weeks (leaving one episode on the shelf, also unaired). I have fond memories of arguing with my younger sister over who wanted to watch TV on Monday nights during the spring of '94; I wanted to watch "704 Hauser," while my sister was leaning towards "Someone Like Me."

EccentricGenius
04-05-2017, 07:23 PM
I agree, that's like me watching a white man and black woman living in the Jeffersons old apt LOL

Or having a Latino family living in the Evanses' former apartment (from "Good Times"), TVFactFan!

EccentricGenius
04-05-2017, 07:32 PM
Joey Stivic (Archie and Edith's grandson) appeared briefly in the premiere episode of "704 Hauser." He was portrayed by actor Casey Siemaszko ("Back To The Future," "Stand By Me," and "Young Guns").

omg65
04-06-2017, 09:58 AM
Notice he didn't say, "We could have done a lot of funny things on that show". He wanted to use it for his left wing propaganda machine. Even after all his successful shows he forgets that he needs a good entertaining show as a base, not just a forum for his propaganda compulsion.

Absolutely true. Lear was a left wing agitator and used TV as his medium to spread his attempted division and hatred of America.I know alot of people do not want to hear this but it's true.

EccentricGenius
04-07-2017, 07:00 PM
The '80s and '90s were definitely a bummer for Lear...in addition to "704 Hauser," he attempted to regain his former glory with several short-lived programs--including "Palmerstown, U.S.A.," "a.k.a. Pablo," "Sunday Dinner," "The Powers That Be," and "Channel Umptee-3."

EccentricGenius
04-07-2017, 07:11 PM
I guess John Amos had finally made peace with Lear after feuding with him years earlier on the set of "Good Times."

ThomasE
04-16-2017, 09:37 PM
I thought it was a good show. I don't see what was so bad about it.

king of comedy
02-03-2018, 09:28 PM
He got a Kennedy Center Honor last year.

70s show watcher
02-03-2018, 10:15 PM
the show was not norman lears bbest work by any but it was far more watchable than sunday dinner was

TV Guy
02-04-2018, 02:44 PM
None of the sitcoms Lear created in the 80s and 90s were any good.

I’d forgotten that he was behind Palmerstown USA, which is going to start running on GetTV later this month. I’ll have to check it out. It was Michael J. Fox’s first series, BTW.

Babalu
02-05-2018, 12:02 AM
He got a Kennedy Center Honor last year.

Of course he did. He's a liberal icon.

loaferman
02-08-2018, 10:27 AM
Notice he didn't say, "We could have done a lot of funny things on that show". He wanted to use it for his left wing propaganda machine. Even after all his successful shows he forgets that he needs a good entertaining show as a base, not just a forum for his propaganda compulsion.

I agree that for all his success and shows like AITF that were funny, Lear was never able to avoid agenda pushing in his shows. Unlike more recent times the politicizing was usually more subtle with maybe a couple of more overt episodes per season. After his successful shows I think Lear wanted to make his later shows more and more preachy and less about entertainment. For better or worse though Lear was a major change element for television.

Mr. Television
02-08-2018, 01:09 PM
None of the sitcoms Lear created in the 80s and 90s were any good.

I’d forgotten that he was behind Palmerstown USA, which is going to start running on GetTV later this month. I’ll have to check it out. It was Michael J. Fox’s first series, BTW.
I used to love that show.

KentB3
02-14-2018, 06:40 PM
Ridiculous. If AITF had been nothing more than propaganda, it would have failed quickly; the same with Lear's other successes. Sure, he was liberal. But the shows succeeded because he was able to bring out the humanity in all sides. You really think only left wing radicals were watching that show?

EXACTLY! Despite Norman Lear's social and political views, there was in fact occasional scorn directed towards Michael "Meathead" Stivic, over the limits of liberalism. For instance, Gloria was afraid to announce her pregnancy due to Mike's stubborn attitude about overpopulation. In another episode, he went through several couples to serve as Joey's guardians in case anything happened to him and Gloria; the first couple he named Gloria rejected, since they were drug users; eventually they settled on Al and Trudy, Gloria's best friend and Trudy's husband (Al was played by Billy Crystal, BTW). Mike wanted to leave Joey to anybody BUT Archie and Edith, fearing Joey would turn out like Archie! This greatly upsets not just Archie, but Edith as well. Most blatant of all, Mike later divorces Gloria and runs off to a commune with his new girlfriend (one of his students, who is 22 years old), due to his disgust that Ronald Reagan was elected president! He divorces Gloria since shes refused to go, because she didn't want Joey raised in that environment.

Mr. Television
02-14-2018, 07:58 PM
Ridiculous. If AITF had been nothing more than propaganda, it would have failed quickly; the same with Lear's other successes. Sure, he was liberal. But the shows succeeded because he was able to bring out the humanity in all sides. You really think only left wing radicals were watching that show?
Totally agree. My family was never liberal and we loved AITF. We watched all the Norman Lear shows. They were just funny and everyone didn't come out looking very well. There was a lot of humanity in his shows something that current shows for the most part just don't have.

Mr. Television
02-14-2018, 07:59 PM
EXACTLY! Despite Norman Lear's social and political views, there was in fact occasional scorn directed towards Michael "Meathead" Stivic, over the limits of liberalism. For instance, Gloria was afraid to announce her pregnancy due to Mike's stubborn attitude about overpopulation. In another episode, he went through several couples to serve as Joey's guardians in case anything happened to him and Gloria; the first couple he named Gloria rejected, since they were drug users; eventually they settled on Al and Trudy, Gloria's best friend and Trudy's husband (Al was played by Billy Crystal, BTW). Mike wanted to leave Joey to anybody BUT Archie and Edith, fearing Joey would turn out like Archie! This greatly upsets not just Archie, but Edith as well. Most blatant of all, Mike later divorces Gloria and runs off to a commune with his new girlfriend (one of his students, who is 22 years old), due to his disgust that Ronald Reagan was elected president! He divorces Gloria since shes refused to go, because she didn't want Joey raised in that environment.
Very well said.