One of the things I especially like about Antenna TV since launch is that if you are getting the direct feed 24/7 there are no bugs/logos ever over the shows and they show series with complete credits, no voice overs, etc. Really old school local TV!

I'm surprised I haven't noticed a thread on this but since May 1, 2015 during the daytime hours of programs (sitcoms) if the program is shown as a double run (2 episodes) they compress the end of the first episode as the second episode begins at the same time. HORRIBLE! I guess not to loose the viewer which is the reason why most do this practice. The classic "What's up Next" or "Station ID's" have long since been gone on local independents & Networks!

I have seen this on Patty Duke (9AM eastern) & I Dream Of Jeannie (1PM eastern) so far, if they start getting "too fancy" this ruins it for people compliling sets of series like Small Wonder & One Day At A Time, so far at least these have not been treated this way.

I don't know when all this happens but I hate even though I don't watch all of the shows. It really ruins it. I'm just glad they don't do it on Three's Company or any of the Norman Lear shows that I watch at night. I'm not happy at all about them doing it on Mr. Belvedere. I also know they do it on Patty Duke, Bewitched, Jeannie, Dennis the Menace, Green Acres, and probably on Beaver. I want to know though, do they only do it on the daytime airings of those shows, or do they do it on overnight and weekend airings as well?

I noticed the two blocks of a next episode and the end of the last episode being shown when I tuned in to I dream of Jeannie. One thing I enjoy is seeing the actors names in the show. Now the lettering is so darn small with scrunched up box. Is time so valuable now the stations have to jam so much in the time? With the editing, scrunching, up coming show ads, etc, a 27 minute old show will be whittled down to 15 minutes.

Oh boy, I hope this isnt a starting trend. I say, email Antenna TV and tell them not to do any of this crap!!

TBS does this with all their sitcoms and movies, it annoys the piss out of me too.

I truly hate any network that squashes the end credits and that would be most of them at this point. Ever since I was young, I always enjoyed credits (be they opening or closing) to TV shows and I can't stand what networks have done. The end credits get so small you can't even read them! I DON'T WANT to know what's coming up next. I want the current show to air as it originally did, intact end credits and all. Rant over for now...:mad:

It's funny because it used to be that the end credits were split screened, in the 90's especially many sitcoms end credits had a split screen with the credits to the left and the right side would should show local news highlights.

An episode of The Simpsons poked fun at it back when the show was watchable.

Probably the younger people mainly kids nowadays, don't realize how it used to be. We want shows the way the used to be. I can tolerate the commercials even if I see the same walk in tub ad 40 times a day. But leave the shows the way they were originally seen. With so much clutter added to the shows, you lose interest if you MUST be shown upcoming show info, ,squishing, Etc. I do wonder why they do this.

INSP does that too. I tried to watch BONANZA on there once and they did that and the episode was so chopped up that that was the last time I ever watched the channel!!!:mad:

One of the things I especially like about Antenna TV since launch is that if you are getting the direct feed 24/7 there are no bugs/logos ever over the shows and they show series with complete credits, no voice overs, etc. Really old school local TV!

I'm surprised I haven't noticed a thread on this but since May 1, 2015 during the daytime hours of programs (sitcoms) if the program is shown as a double run (2 episodes) they compress the end of the first episode as the second episode begins at the same time. HORRIBLE! I guess not to loose the viewer which is the reason why most do this practice. The classic "What's up Next" or "Station ID's" have long since been gone on local independents & Networks!

I have seen this on Patty Duke (9AM eastern) & I Dream Of Jeannie (1PM eastern) so far, if they start getting "too fancy" this ruins it for people compliling sets of series like Small Wonder & One Day At A Time, so far at least these have not been treated this way.
o no! Let's hope they don't start doing that to ALL their shows!

Probably the younger people mainly kids nowadays, don't realize how it used to be. We want shows the way the used to be. I can tolerate the commercials even if I see the same walk in tub ad 40 times a day. But leave the shows the way they were originally seen. With so much clutter added to the shows, you lose interest if you MUST be shown upcoming show info, ,squishing, Etc. I do wonder why they do this.


I dont know whose bright idea it was to start doing this but I wish they would go back to the way it ought to be as well. I agree Coffeecup.

I truly hate any network that squashes the end credits and that would be most of them at this point. Ever since I was young, I always enjoyed credits (be they opening or closing) to TV shows and I can't stand what networks have done. The end credits get so small you can't even read them! I DON'T WANT to know what's coming up next. I want the current show to air as it originally did, intact end credits and all. Rant over for now...:mad:

QFT, especially if the next show was already promoed within a commercial break.

We dont need the same plugs for the same shows all the time. I literally see the same plug for the same show after every commerical break. I just hope Antenna TV isnt starting this.

i think ME-TV has begin to chop the credits to Gilligans Island

i think ME-TV has begin to chop the credits to Gilligans Island

Well it's a good thing I have the entire series of Gilligan's Island on DVD so I have no need to watch it on MeTV.

i think ME-TV has begin to chop the credits to Gilligans Island
o no, and they promised those 2 channels would never change and become like Nick at Nite and TV Land!!!:mad:

I agree with you and hell! They have plenty of time to do that during commercials! Just like the olden days!

That's why I don't watch GSN anymore!

Promises mean nothing to network execs

That's why I don't watch GSN anymore!

GSN is no longer the GSN I knew when it first started. It had everything then: TTD, TJW, many G-Ts-- now all it has is current stuff and reality. Why bother?

i think ME-TV has begin to chop the credits to Gilligans Island I haven't noticed that.

i think ME-TV has begin to chop the credits to Gilligans Island

You think... So are they or aren't they?? Can anyone confirm this? I watched Antenna TV yesterday and today when I went home to visit my mom. There was no compression going on on last nights Newhart or Mr. Belvedere or on One Day at a Time today.

Over on Me-TV, this was not the case on The Brady Bunch. It must be random if this is happening.

:angryfire :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

You think... So are they or aren't they?? Can anyone confirm this? I watched Antenna TV yesterday and today when I went home to visit my mom. There was no compression going on on last nights Newhart or Mr. Belvedere or on One Day at a Time today.

Over on Me-TV, this was not the case on The Brady Bunch. It must be random if this is happening.
I've watched Me-TV almost all day and haven't noticed them compressing the credits.

I've watched Me-TV almost all day and haven't noticed them compressing the credits.
well then maybe they were doing it as an experiment or something on just a couple shows; and now they've stopped.

I dont know whose bright idea it was to start doing this but I wish they would go back to the way it ought to be as well. I agree Coffeecup.
Isn't that their logo " TV the way it used to be" It wasn't this way( split screens, squished credits) in the years the show was originally on the air.

I dont know whose bright idea it was to start doing this but I wish they would go back to the way it ought to be as well. I agree Coffeecup.

I read that the whole phenomenon happened during a first-run episode of Friends during its run on NBC. Another reason to hate that show. :angryfire

Well, to me it utter nonsense to do this. I mean you cant wait an extra 30 seconds for the previous show to end?

I mean you need to have that 10th plug for a show? Give me a break.

On a related note:

For Mister Ed, Antenna TV has been speeding-up the closing credits for a long time now. You'll see Ed in his stable moving his head around at a dizzying rate!

Sad that they'll do something so obviously bad -- although I think I've seen the same speed for the closing of Mister Ed on another network.

I noticed the two blocks of a next episode and the end of the last episode being shown when I tuned in to I dream of Jeannie. One thing I enjoy is seeing the actors names in the show. Now the lettering is so darn small with scrunched up box. Is time so valuable now the stations have to jam so much in the time? With the editing, scrunching, up coming show ads, etc, a 27 minute old show will be whittled down to 15 minutes.

I noticed that during the Bewitched hour block. When the first episode ends, the closing credits are on one side of the screen while the opening teaser scene of the second episode is simultaneously on the other side of the screen.

That's why I prefer to watch TV on DVD or Netflix.

Someone mentioned this on Antenna TV's Facebook page and here's what Antenna TV responded with:
We have found that a majority of viewers prefer a quicker transition from one show to the next, which is why we began squeezing back credits. We appreciate your feedback, and will take it under consideration.

I don't know what they're talking about. I don't know anyone who says they like the credits being crunched for a quicker transition. That's just stupid. I'm just glad they don't do this on The Jeffersons or One Day at a Time.

or NEWHART and ALL IN THE FAMILY

I don't think they'll find a single person who prefers the "quicker transition," as they call it. It's distracting for one thing -- especially when they do it between different series shows...!

One of the worst things about it: the closings are angled, so when a guest actor's name appears in the right-hand column, you have even LESS of a chance of being able to read the name!

I dont know who likes the credits sped up or not even seeing the credits at all. I guess maybe there experimenting with it because its not happening on all the shows.

I will say at least Antenna TV gave you a response. Try that with Nick at Nite or TV Land.

I have been away, took a trip to Washington Dc and when I came back i tuned back into Burns and Allen and noticed the screen has widened. I wished the station would show the shows the way they did in the 1950's. No show in the 1950 was in a rectangle shape. I prefer the square size. One day happened to see Three's Company and said Gee John Ritter had a bit of girth. People look fatter this way. I can change my tv size format to look smaller but that changes all stations size. LIfe is too much!!!

Sometimes my screen gets wider too but I always thought it was my picture tube.

Mr. Belvedere has done it too. There are several shows that still air closing credits so it's not consistent. But I would have thought Antenna was better than that crap. :( What I hate it when the channels SPEED THRU THE CREDITS JUST TO GET THRU THEM.... ITS SO FAST YOU CANT READ THEM!!!!!! (That cant be legal...... THESE PPL PAID TO HAVE THIER CREDITS SHOWN @ THE END OF THIER MOVIES)

And now they're crunching credits on both airings of shows not just the first of the two episodes as they did at first. I'm extremely mad because now I won't be able to record the extremely rare pilot closing theme to Mr. Belvedere because of this dumb credit crunch.

Well EMAIL THEM AND BITCH!!!!

It does no good sitting here complaining.... LETS DO SOMETHING!!

Don't you think they will be doing it on every single episode of every show they air very soon? It starts with one and spreads to them all, then never goes away, but people will complain and still watch. The ratings will not change and they will keep doing it for good.

And now they're crunching credits on both airings of shows not just the first of the two episodes as they did at first. I'm extremely mad because now I won't be able to record the extremely rare pilot closing theme to Mr. Belvedere because of this dumb credit crunch.

So much for their slogan, "Antenna TV--TV how it was meant to be."

"Antenna TV--TV how we are tribune broadcasting decide how it was meant to be."

So much for their slogan, "Antenna TV--TV how it was meant to be."

Well EMAIL THEM AND BITCH!!!!

It does no good sitting here complaining.... LETS DO SOMETHING!!

I agree. I think I might email them myself and complain. This just isnt right. There's probably somebody new in charge or something.

What shall we do? My grumble is the wide screen and the end split screen.
I do get MeTv, Antenna, Decades, and Cozi. But they all are changing how we originally did see them.

The time compression and commercial breaks right in the middle of scenes are getting out of hand too. I hate to say it but I think they've begun the decent into the abyss that seems to eventually capture all tv channels.

And today on their Facebook page someone else complained about this and Antenna TV gave the same stupid response they gave someone else a week or so ago about most viewers preferring quicker transitions. I wish the person who started this credit crunching would get fired.

I agree. Not its getting to the point where ALL networks are doing this. Frankly, its very annoying. I mean enough is enough. Just show us the damn shows the way they were shown in the day. Again, whose bright idea thinks that COMMERICALS are why viewers tune in to a show? I've never heard anybody ever say "hey, lets watch the commercials and not the show." Its just so stupid.

What shall we do? My grumble is the wide screen and the end split screen.
I do get MeTv, Antenna, Decades, and Cozi. But they all are changing how we originally did see them.
ME TV isn't doing it.

Someone mentioned this on Antenna TV's Facebook page and here's what Antenna TV responded with:
We have found that a majority of viewers prefer a quicker transition from one show to the next, which is why we began squeezing back credits. We appreciate your feedback, and will take it under consideration.

I don't know what they're talking about. I don't know anyone who says they like the credits being crunched for a quicker transition. That's just stupid. I'm just glad they don't do this on The Jeffersons or One Day at a Time.

This is a flat-out lie from Antenna TV, in my opinion. They do it to get more ad time (those quality ads from ASPCA, UNICEF, Attorneys, Relacore, other misc. junk).

This is as annoying as it possibly can be. So far they aren't doing it across the board--for instance, it hasn't affected "Small Wonder". Also I haven't seen it done in prime time. Recall the Antenna TV of a few years ago--shows run nice and clean, no logos, no credit crunches, some even unedited. Those days are GONE! This is now just another WGN America or TBS, just with older programming. UGH!

By the way, I agree with the other posters. So far, all I've seen MeTV do is time-compress a few closing credits, no credit crunches or split screens (yet, anyway). I think MeTV is Antenna's higher-class cousin (and probably higher-rated). By the way Cozi TV is really bad with closing credits--most of the time, they just ditch them altogether.

By the way, I agree with the other posters. So far, all I've seen MeTV do is time-compress a few closing credits, no credit crunches or split screens (yet, anyway). I think MeTV is Antenna's higher-class cousin (and probably higher-rated). By the way Cozi TV is really bad with closing credits--most of the time, they just ditch them altogether.

I don't even get Cozi but it doesn't sound like I'm missing anything.

I don't even get Cozi but it doesn't sound like I'm missing anything.BELIEVE ME, you're not!!!

I don't even get Cozi but it doesn't sound like I'm missing anything.

Cozi is really bad. They either compress the end credits or totally cut them. Also, they are the WORST when it comes to total program time (around 20 minutes of program per half hour--MeTV has 23 minutes, and Antenna around 22). Also, Cozi crops the standard def pic.--they ought to just leave it alone, since virtually all of their programming comes from the standard def. era.

I strongly suggest as the starter of this thread, if we have any hope of stopping this or "gasp" having it eventually happen to every Antenna TV series....

Anyone who is on their facebook page, instead of writing a single complaint, direct them with a link to this thread that now has 56 responses but OVER 2200 page views. Being in the TV Industry, trust me that is the only way to get their honest attention!

There is truly strength in numbers! It's like an old fashioned petition.

Somebody may already be reading this thread. I noticed over the weekend that the on-screen logo is gone.

Somebody may already be reading this thread. I noticed over the weekend that the on-screen logo is gone.

I'm afraid that depending if you are watching the direct national feed or from a local affliate would be the difference if you get a "bug" in the corner. I am in NYC/NJ and since launch 3 years ago, have never had any logo's or "bugs" as they are called in the industry on the screen. Another thing that makes Antenna TV so special, as there are no channels left without some ID junk in the corner.

Trust me, my idea is best, Antenna TV has a very small staff and I highly doubt they are reading sitcomsonline.

And today on their Facebook page someone else complained about this and Antenna TV gave the same stupid response they gave someone else a week or so ago about most viewers preferring quicker transitions. I wish the person who started this credit crunching would get fired.

"Quicker transitions"? That's a really stupid thing for Antenna TV to say. :( I love end credits and will happily sit through them to see who worked on the program and just enjoy the music. Yes, I'm a TV Theme song fan--opening and closing!

"Quicker transitions"? That's a really stupid thing for Antenna TV to say. :( I love end credits and will happily sit through them to see who worked on the program and just enjoy the music. Yes, I'm a TV Theme song fan--opening and closing!

You're not alone in that one! In fact, two shows of the past have had closing credit setups that have been among my favorites:

--Hart to Hart had its closing credits against the same red heart background that the opening title was on (except for the pilot film, where the credits were against scenes from that).

--Barney Miller had its credits against a shot of the NYC skyline (two different versions of which were used; the first only lasted for the first season, but the more familiar one lasted until the final episode, when the credits ran against a darkened freeze-frame shot of the set used for the 12th Precinct at ABC Prospect).

Me-TV seems to be the best of the retro TV stations, and they aren't perfect either. Antenna TV is a cheap imitator of Me-TV. I don't watch much retro TV stations anymore, with all the garbage they do to alter and edit the shows. Where I live, the Me-TV feed airs the shows at a reduced picture size, with black bars on all four sides of the screen. No way am I going to watch that crap. I want to see shows in fullscreen. I think Me-TV does that on purpose to discourage people who are trying to record shows for a collection. Who wants to record crap with a shrunk size picture and black bars on all sides of the screen?

And even when buying favorite shows on DVD, there is no guarantee that all the episodes are uncut, with the bullcrap about music rights and tons of other reasons studios find to edit or delete scenes from episodes. It is totally disgusting.

Me-TV seems to be the best of the retro TV stations, and they aren't perfect either. Antenna TV is a cheap imitator of Me-TV. I don't watch much retro TV stations anymore, with all the garbage they do to alter and edit the shows. Where I live, the Me-TV feed airs the shows at a reduced picture size, with black bars on all four sides of the screen. No way am I going to watch that crap. I want to see shows in fullscreen. I think Me-TV does that on purpose to discourage people who are trying to record shows for a collection. Who wants to record crap with a shrunk size picture and black bars on all sides of the screen?

And even when buying favorite shows on DVD, there is no guarantee that all the episodes are uncut, with the bullcrap about music rights and tons of other reasons studios find to edit or delete scenes from episodes. It is totally disgusting.

Cozi TV gets that treatment here. I get so sick of those black bars--sometimes they are on the sides, sometimes they are on the top and bottom, sometimes it's a total letterbox. It all STINKS.

Cozi TV gets that treatment here. I get so sick of those black bars--sometimes they are on the sides, sometimes they are on the top and bottom, sometimes it's a total letterbox. It all STINKS.

I just got Decades where I live today and I see they do that too.

Me-TV seems to be the best of the retro TV stations, and they aren't perfect either. Antenna TV is a cheap imitator of Me-TV. I don't watch much retro TV stations anymore, with all the garbage they do to alter and edit the shows. Where I live, the Me-TV feed airs the shows at a reduced picture size, with black bars on all four sides of the screen. No way am I going to watch that crap. I want to see shows in fullscreen. I think Me-TV does that on purpose to discourage people who are trying to record shows for a collection. Who wants to record crap with a shrunk size picture and black bars on all sides of the screen?

And even when buying favorite shows on DVD, there is no guarantee that all the episodes are uncut, with the bullcrap about music rights and tons of other reasons studios find to edit or delete scenes from episodes. It is totally disgusting.


I agree with it all. COZI-TV in my area gets the black box treatment. Antenna TV, I dont like, when they end the credit crunch. That bothers me. I like a good theme song as much as you. ME-TV is good but I think some of there schedule is underwhelming, like Catch ME if you Can Sundays. Time to move on and put some different shows on.

my ME TV affiliate puts black bars on the top & bottom which I don't mind because they're small, but COZI TV puts them on all sides which I do mind an DECADES puts them on the sides which is why I don't watch COZI and DECADES.

my ME TV affiliate puts black bars on the top & bottom which I don't mind because they're small, but COZI TV puts them on all sides which I do mind an DECADES puts them on the sides which is why I don't watch COZI and DECADES.

I agree, the black bars on the top and bottom are the least annoying. I won't watch anything with them on the sides--that is the worst. You feel like you're watching a 1952 Philco TV, where the only thing missing is the rabbit ears.

This is a flat-out lie from Antenna TV, in my opinion. They do it to get more ad time (those quality ads from ASPCA, UNICEF, Attorneys, Relacore, other misc. junk).

This is as annoying as it possibly can be. So far they aren't doing it across the board--for instance, it hasn't affected "Small Wonder". Also I haven't seen it done in prime time. Recall the Antenna TV of a few years ago--shows run nice and clean, no logos, no credit crunches, some even unedited. Those days are GONE! This is now just another WGN America or TBS, just with older programming. UGH!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but apparently starting today (Monday 6-22-2015), the credit-crunching has been expanded throughout the entire schedule.

Has anyone recently posted complaints to their FB page? I want to, but am having issues with my FB account in which wall postings are disallowed. Perhaps I may have to open a new one so I can properly express my disgust to Antenna TV.

It always seems as though there has been some issue with Antenna TV. Here in the NYC market, WPIX, the Tribune affiliate, used to preempt one to three hours per day on the Antenna TV subchannel with either two episode of the sitcom "'Till Death" or the WPIX newscast. Fortunately, that practice stopped several months ago. Now this. Unfortunately, this is actually worse because the mutilation is being done by Antenna TV whereas before one could argue Antenna TV was merely a victim of circumstance.

I watched ALL IN THE FAMILY on Antenna TV tonight and they didn't do it on that. Where'd you hear that they're doing it to all their shows?

There are at least 3 threads here on this now. They're a niche network, and you figure the target audience would want things presented as purely original as possible. Let's boycott those catheters till they set things right!

I wish they'd go back to the voiceovers during the credits

I watched ALL IN THE FAMILY on Antenna TV tonight and they didn't do it on that. Where'd you hear that they're doing it to all their shows?

It's gradual, I think. For instance, the weren't doing it to Burns and Allen a few weeks ago--now they are. It's just a matter of time 'till the whole schedule is a mess. They probably needed to sell some more time for quality ads, like UNICEF, ASPCA, Attorney spokespeople, Relacore....

They didn't do it during The Jeffersons but if they do I will boycott Antenna TV until this stops.

Now they are doing it during the 11PM-2PM hours. Which is messing up most of my shows. (Other than Barney Miller. Which, they started it on first)

Also. The commercials are way longer. It's really pissing me off.

Antenna TV is getting ready to JTS.

Some anger building at Antenna TV's Facebook page over new credits format. No responses from them yet.

yea, I saw that! Keep your fingers crossed that it get's them to stop the "credit crunch"!!

It actually appears to me that the shows that have the crunch usually have a tag scene right before the credits. The shows that are not being crunched, such as All in the Family and The Jeffersons, don't have tag scenes before the credits. The episode ends before the commercial break and a small portion of credits come before the commercial break and then the main portion of credits after the commercial break without the credit crunch. I have noticed on earlier episodes of One Day at a Time they did not have tag scenes or whatever the last scene is called right before the credits. The entire episode finished before the commercial break and then after the commercial break the main closing credits played. It appears on these later episodes of One Day at a Time that there is an ending tag scene right before the credits so they crunch them as soon as the episode finishes. If this practice continues, it is possible once the show finishes and returns to Season 1, then we won't see the crunch on it no more until it reaches Season 7 again where it is now.

It actually appears to me that the shows that have the crunch usually have a tag scene right before the credits. The shows that are not being crunched, such as All in the Family and The Jeffersons, don't have tag scenes before the credits. The episode ends before the commercial break and a small portion of credits come before the commercial break and then the main portion of credits after the commercial break without the credit crunch. I have noticed on earlier episodes of One Day at a Time they did not have tag scenes or whatever the last scene is called right before the credits. The entire episode finished before the commercial break and then after the commercial break the main closing credits played. It appears on these later episodes of One Day at a Time that there is an ending tag scene right before the credits so they crunch them as soon as the episode finishes. If this practice continues, it is possible once the show finishes and returns to Season 1, then we won't see the crunch on it no more until it reaches Season 7 again where it is now.

They don't crunch Small Wonder (yet, anyway), which doesn't have the tag scene. Last weekend, they did not crunch Partridge Family, which does have a tag scene. But they generally do not appear to be crunching on the weekend, unless someone has seen it. They could do it right out of a commercial, but it would look strange. Just to do a little more grousing, this type of network should not be doing it AT ALL. To me it really spoils the show.

Well at least you all still have Antenna TV to watch. Last week our local affiliate Channel 10 Columbus Ohio pulled Antenna TV in the Columbus market and replaced it with a channel called Decades.A real bummer.

It actually appears to me that the shows that have the crunch usually have a tag scene right before the credits. The shows that are not being crunched, such as All in the Family and The Jeffersons, don't have tag scenes before the credits. The episode ends before the commercial break and a small portion of credits come before the commercial break and then the main portion of credits after the commercial break without the credit crunch. I have noticed on earlier episodes of One Day at a Time they did not have tag scenes or whatever the last scene is called right before the credits. The entire episode finished before the commercial break and then after the commercial break the main closing credits played. It appears on these later episodes of One Day at a Time that there is an ending tag scene right before the credits so they crunch them as soon as the episode finishes. If this practice continues, it is possible once the show finishes and returns to Season 1, then we won't see the crunch on it no more until it reaches Season 7 again where it is now.
Maybe. But even if this should be the case, it doesn't resolve the growing viewer dissatisfaction for all the times the blended segues (a more technical term for "credit crunch") occur. This adulteration is simply unacceptable. It literally feels absurd watching an 11:30PM episode of "One Day At A Time" and then hearing the "Three's Company" opening theme immediately after ODAAT concludes. Or watching a 12:30AM episode of "Three's Company" and then hearing the "Newhart" opening theme immediately after "Three's Company" concludes. And so on. And as far as I'm personally concerned, "Newhart" episodes do not officially conclude until Bob Newhart says "Meow"

Antenna TV has a large fanbase on Facebook, but the FB likers and the TV viewers now have plenty more options when it comes to watching classic TV diginets. And they will seek out those options if the situation at Tribune continues to worsen. And all of those options include the same UNICEF, ASPCA, Relacore, life insurance, attorneys, and painless catheter PI ads whose companies will begin realizing more hits from the competition should viewers transition away.

Viewer complaints should not only be posted on Antenna TV's wall where they are basically hidden; the complaints should also be posted as replies to their wall posts which appear in the newsfeeds of those who "like" their page. This will bring more attention to the issue for those who may know about it but not be as vociferous :D

Tribune will ultimately make the final decision. But if viewers permit this without loudly speaking out, this diginet will ultimately evolve into the next Nick at Nite, TV Land, or any other cable network that lost its way due to poor management. If this battle is lost without a fight, the writing is on the wall for Antenna TV, and the concession by the complainers would not even dignify those viewers receiving a response.

I'm thinking about starting an online petition to do away with credit crunches on Antenna TV and if I do, I will share that link on their Facebook page every day until something is done to stop it.

I also turned on Decades a little while ago to see what it is like. I see they do a crunch as well to advertise the next show coming up. But at least there they don't have one shows ending credits playing while another shows opening is starting and at least the ending music is all still intact. But when the Brady Bunch was coming on it a appeared like the opening them was sped up a bit.

Tribune will ultimately make the final decision. But if viewers permit this without loudly speaking out, this diginet will ultimately evolve into the next Nick at Nite, TV Land, or any other cable network that lost its way due to poor management. If this battle is lost without a fight, the writing is on the wall for Antenna TV, and the concession by the complainers would not even dignify those viewers receiving a response.

This hits the nail on the head. Antenna is heading the way of TV Land, the absolute biggest mess made of a network in history.

Well I discovered today they don't crunch Sanford and Son or Good Times either. It appears the only shows not crunched during the weekdays are only the Norman Lear shows, except for unfortunately One Day at a Time, or at least the later episodes of it that are currently showing.

Since I started this thread, my subject line certainly says it all, I noticed it on day one when they started doing it with "Patty Duke".

For the record, they have not added any commercials though, in fact "ODAAT" has only two breaks now, instead of three. Granted the first break after the opening is longer, then the middle break.....the series never had tag scenes, they are just going directly to the end credits compressed after episodes end without the last break. I HATE IT!

I suggested about 30 posts back, that if anyone complains they should send a link of this entire thread with over 3000 page views, it is the only hope of changing it back and ending this practice.

Stations are so paranoid that they will loose viewers, that they think the quicker the transition, the viewer will stick around.

I just shared this link on Antenna TVs Facebook page.

Maybe Antenna TV is listening because they didn't squeeze the Mr. Belvedere credits before going into Three's Company today.

Instead, they only showed about half of the Belvedere credits and then, without finishing, jumped right to the Three's Company song unsqueezed.

I hope they're not going the Cozi TV route by skipping end credits soon.

I'm glad I don't have Cozi.

good, because you're not missing anything!

Hi frazetta,
Maybe Antenna TV is listening because they didn't squeeze the Mr. Belvedere credits before going into Three's Company today.

Instead, they only showed about half of the Belvedere credits and then, without finishing, jumped right to the Three's Company song unsqueezed.
That doesn't sound like Antenna TV is responding to criticism; It sounds more like a software technical glitch.

I just shared this link on Antenna TVs Facebook page.
good going!

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but sitcoms online did an interview with Sean Compton, President of Programming for Tribune Broadcasting, back in 2010 when antenna tv first launched, and he specifically said:

We also will not be squeezing the end credits nor will we have an Antenna TV bug/logo on the screen during programming.

What happened??? Is Mr. Compton no longer in charge??

http://blog.sitcomsonline.com/2010/12/our-exclusive-interview-with-antenna.html#ixzz3eI4QdjdY

http://blog.sitcomsonline.com/2010/12/our-exclusive-interview-with-antenna.html

I'll tell you what happened. Just 1 word: MONEY!!!


It's best summed up in the old saying-money talks and bull**** walks. Sad but true.

Yeah, but is Antenna TV THAT desperate for money??

I noticed they didn't 'crunch' Beaver, yesterday. They must stop crunching at 3, and start again when prime time is over.

I noticed they didn't 'crunch' Beaver, yesterday. They must stop crunching at 3, and start again when prime time is over.

Not exactly. For some reason they don't crunch Beaver. But as soon as Mr. Belvedere comes on they start crunching again until after Barney Miller ends. Then they don't crunch Sanford and Son, Good Times, All in the Family, or The Jeffersons, then they start crunching again when One Day at a Time comes on.

Just figured out Beaver, anyway. They don't 'crunch' it because its opening is too short, with an immediate commercial (for some seasons, anyway). Also, many of its closings either don't have the closing 'tag' scene, or the tag scene isn't on the syndication copy they use. Neither of these fit the 'model' they use. Wish there were more programs that didn't get them what they want. It seems to me they use the time for useless promos, anyway.

Content owners generally don't want their stuff airing without a bug and many even request the credits be crunched, believe it or not. It's to deter piracy. That is probably what is going on here.

And now there back to the start of One Day at a Time and are still doing this stupid crunch. I think they are editing the episodes so they can show commercials when they want to rather than show them I the spaces intended as they did in the past and on Sundays. Unless they don't crunch the credits on Family Ties, I have a feeling I will be done with Antenna TV once this cycle of The Jeffersons is finished.

And now there back to the start of One Day at a Time and are still doing this stupid crunch. I think they are editing the episodes so they can show commercials when they want to rather than show them I the spaces intended as they did in the past and on Sundays. Unless they don't crunch the credits on Family Ties, I have a feeling I will be done with Antenna TV once this cycle of The Jeffersons is finished.
It's all about commercials. They aren't even starting their shows on time making it hard to DVR the shows. I taped ODAAT the other day and missed the ending. It's worse than Cozi.

It's worse than Cozi. Whoa! There's almost NOTHING worse than Cozi! (these nets ought to emulate MeTV, which has some really savvy people in charge.)

Whoa! There's almost NOTHING worse than Cozi! (these nets ought to emulate MeTV, which has some really savvy people in charge.)
I think it does because at least you can DVR Cozi. On Antenna TV I have to edit my timings everytime I tape. And they at least separate the two shows. Antenna goes right into the next one. I agree though that Me_TV is the best as far as showing credits and all. I hope they don't change.

I may start watching MeTV more than. The only thing I don't like about it is that the closed captioning is not synced with what is being spoken. It scrolls up and is behind what is being said on screen like with a live newscast or sports. Sometimes it has spelling errors as well. It's like someone is sitting there listening then typing it out.

I turn it on today and I see these dirty b*st*rds are now crunching the credits on weekends too. As soon as this cycle of the Jeffersons is finished I am done with Antenna TV for good. Good riddance to it.

I seriously want to know WHO at Antenna TV thought this was a good idea.

Just linked this thread to their Facebook page.

I just saw tonight they are now crunching the Jeffersons so this has been the final straw for me. I have unliked their Facebook page and I will no longer watch their station. I even ranted on their page about how mad this makes me. I had been watching since they first launched in 2011 but not anymore. I'll be glad if Antenna TV goes out of business or goes the direction of RTV.

They've made the channel practically unwatchable.

I just saw tonight they are now crunching the Jeffersons so this has been the final straw for me. I have unliked their Facebook page and I will no longer watch their station. I even ranted on their page about how mad this makes me. I had been watching since they first launched in 2011 but not anymore. I'll be glad if Antenna TV goes out of business or goes the direction of RTV.

Yes I saw this too--they also crunched Maude, but for some reason (again, probably lack of a tag scene) not Good Times, and as said The Jeffersons.

They have ruined this network. I'd say, complain to your local stations, but that probably would do no good, either.

I saw that they also crunched Sanford and Son but I don't care about that one because I have it all on DVD. Now it's going to cost me hundreds of dollars to buy all these shows on DVD from Shout.

I saw that they also crunched Sanford and Son but I don't care about that one because I have it all on DVD. Now it's going to cost me hundreds of dollars to buy all these shows on DVD from Shout.
Yeah, they ruin all these shows when they do this. If they ever get around to showing Silver Spoons....oh, well!

Yeah, they ruin all these shows when they do this. If they ever get around to showing Silver Spoons....oh, well!

At this point I'm not even going to bother with Family Ties, because dollars to donuts, it will have the crunch too. I might as well shell out $50 for the complete series on DVD. And now so many Shout DVDs I need to get: Leave it to Beaver, Dennis the Menace, Hazel, All in the Family, Maude, The Jeffersons, WKRP, and Mr. Belvedere.

At this point I'm not even going to bother with Family Ties, because dollars to donuts, it will have the crunch too. I might as well shell out $50 for the complete series on DVD. And now so many Shout DVDs I need to get: Leave it to Beaver, Dennis the Menace, Hazel, All in the Family, Maude, The Jeffersons, WKRP, and Mr. Belvedere.

I think that's exactly why they do this compressing the credits garbage, to discourage people from recording the shows for a collection. And in addition to that, they air edited versions of shows, not the uncut versions. The edits in the episodes bother me more than the compressing credits nonsense, but both are bad. I purchase favorite classic TV shows on DVD, I also have a few old shows I recorded from TV several years ago that are complete and uncut with credits and all, so I'll hang on to those. Nowadays, these retro TV stations mess with the shows too much, it's useless to try and record them.

I have been watching Hazel and the first show is fine for crunching for the closing credits are timed to end when the screen goes to large with the 2nd episode. But the 2nd episode I lose a minute at the end so i now just DVR an extra minute. But unless you know, you may lose the last minute of the show.

Good news. They didn't crunch the Jeffersons tonight so I guess that's just a Sunday thing right now. But I won't get my hopes up that this will last. I usually don't watch on Sunday's though anyway so I guess that one doesn't really matter.

I watch ALL IN THE FAMILY almost every night and they don't do it on that.

I watch ALL IN THE FAMILY almost every night and they don't do it on that.

Then they shouldn't do it on ALL the shows. It's hypocritical.

It appears they don't do it on Leave it to Beaver, Sanford and Son, Good Times, All In the Family, or The Jeffersons on weekdays but everything else they do. They hadn't been doing it at all on weekends until this past weekend and it appears they do it on just about every single show on weekends except Good Times. I am going to be really mad in two weeks when the Mr. Belvedere pilot shows on a weekend overnight if it's credits are crunched because then that will ruin my chance entirely for ever getting the rare pilot closing theme recorded.

Then they shouldn't do it on ALL the shows. It's hypocritical.

That is so true.

They've made the channel practically unwatchable.EVERY CHANNEL HAS!!!!!


PEOPLE ARE SO BRAINDEAD THEY THINK GARBAGE IS GOOD SO THATS WHAT THEY DO TO THIER CHANNELS!!!!!!!!!

Yes its sad..........

Been following this thread for a while, as well as the Antenna TV page, and yes, it irritates me too. Watching Barney Miller just now, and they eliminated the credits altogether following the 6:30pm EST episode. Tag scene, producer credits w/applause, then straight into Sanford and Son. Guess that's the latest way to shut up the complaints. :p

As others noted, the excuse of "viewers want a seamless transition" is a crock. My theory: given the commercials they constantly air (medical lawsuits, Candy Crush, two-minute Wounded Warrior and Cancer Treatment Center PSAs that could be four commercials), I imagine they're not making a lot of money. Either that, or they're in over their heads paying for the rights to the 80s sitcoms they picked up. When your highest profile spots are those insipid Liberty Mutual ads, it sounds like Herb Tarlek is running your sales department.

The result? Compress or eliminate the credits to allow more :30 spots, which means more revenue, albeit limited. I still watch the occasional shows, but honestly, MeTV has a better variety anyways (and better ads ha).

The only thing I still watch on Antenna TV is the weeknight Jeffersons. I don't even like that I'm watching that because I don't want to support Antenna TV but the Jeffersons is one of my favourite shows and they don't crunch it, I still watch it because I don't have the money right now to buy the complete series DVD. But I will stop watching Antenna TV altogether once this cycle of the Jeffersons ends sometime in September.

Just caught an episode of Newhart, the one where each cast member has a zany dream. The first time Antenna TV showed this episode, the closing credits featured voice-overs of Dick talking to Joanna, over a still shot of the inn.

I figured ATV would keep the credits intact since there was dialogue, but they still compressed the credits. I'm guessing they have an automated master control, and no one there to keep that one episode's credits intact. I was still a little surprised, though.

There are no positive comments about their credit crunching--so what do they do? Expand it to weekends and virtually all of their programs. Good going, guys!

I wish I still had Encore Classic. They don't compress the credits at all. And best of all uncut and unedited. No commercials! But my aunt downsized the cable. :( I wish Encore would acquire more sitcoms.

I wish I still had Encore Classic. They don't compress the credits at all. And best of all uncut and unedited. No commercials! But my aunt downsized the cable. :( I wish Encore would acquire more sitcoms.

Encore western's does the same thing i don't have cable, but a converter box but i do watch Encore Western's whenever I'm at Super 8 since a family member of mine's work's there.

I agree. Not its getting to the point where ALL networks are doing this. Frankly, its very annoying. I mean enough is enough. Just show us the damn shows the way they were shown in the day. Again, whose bright idea thinks that COMMERICALS are why viewers tune in to a show? I've never heard anybody ever say "hey, lets watch the commercials and not the show." Its just so stupid.

The reality is is that's how stations make their money.

You know the whole series of FT is available on Netflix.

At this point I'm not even going to bother with Family Ties, because dollars to donuts, it will have the crunch too. I might as well shell out $50 for the complete series on DVD. And now so many Shout DVDs I need to get: Leave it to Beaver, Dennis the Menace, Hazel, All in the Family, Maude, The Jeffersons, WKRP, and Mr. Belvedere.

You know you can watch it on Netflix.

You know you can watch it on Netflix.

Mr. Belvedere is NOT on Netflix. Nor is it on Hulu and Amazon Instant. It should be, though.

Turned it on a few moments ago just to see if they were crunching credits on the Partridge Family marathon and unfortunately they are. Luckily I have the entire series on DVD so I will not watch their marathon. Crunching the credits is certainly nothing to "get happy" about.

A day or ago I happened to bump into the Loretta Young show on DECADES. They didn't crunch as much. Just a smaller block, not tilted like Antenna, that you could see the credits. I was looking to see who played so and so and i could read it quite well. What bothers me it if I don't dvr a minute longer I lose the last minute of a show. One poster was right on with the time of commercials that we keep seeing.

I don't mind Decades. At least they don't show the end of one show on one side and the beginning on the other like Antenna. And they only crunch it a little to display the title of the show coming on next. They don't mute the music either and I can hear the closing music at full volume so I'm glad for that. And they don't crunch at all on weekend marathons.

My pet peeve. I love the end of the Monkees and hate this.

Now they've started crunching All in the Family and The Jeffersons to promote Johnny Carson. At least it's not as bad as most of the others that are split screen and I do see part of the closing credits full screen. I just hate that they mute the music. We already know Johnny Carson is coming. There are plenty of other commercials about it during regular commercial time. I don't like this during closing credits. I just hope they don't do this on Family Ties. I don't know why they feel this is necessary. I really don't care about Johnny Carson that much.

I hope they don't do it for Johnny Carson in January, but I have a feeling that they will.:mad: :mad: :mad:

The thing is why are they hyping Johnny now during AITF and The Jeffersons? They got 3 and 1/2 months to do that.

Tonight on the first episode of The Jeffersons they crunched but didn't advertise Johnny. They just advertised Antenna TV in general and showed small scenes from various shows then the dumba** said "TV how it was meant to be." What a big lie. This was certainly not called for. I hate to think that they will probably do this on Family Ties. I have about had it with Antenna TV.

And this is how TV Land started going downhill fast 10 years ago. I have a feeling that by 2020 Antenna TV will be just as bad as TV Land.

And this is how TV Land started going downhill fast 10 years ago. I have a feeling that by 2020 Antenna TV will be just as bad as TV Land.

That'd be a tall order, but if anyone can do it, Antenna TV can!

Today begins the new schedule and I see those idiots are still crunching but now they've changed the background from plain orange to brown checkered and they also changed the font of the text. They just better not crunch Family Ties.

They just better not crunch Family Ties.
Oh we know...we know. :p

They will do it,
People, except me, will still be watching,
the ratings will be the same or better,
they will keep doing it, because only ratings speak to them.


Today begins the new schedule and I see those idiots are still crunching but now they've changed the background from plain orange to brown checkered and they also changed the font of the text. They just better not crunch Family Ties.

At least the played the full opening theme on Family Ties and not the short syndicated version.

At least the played the full opening theme on Family Ties and not the short syndicated version.
I remember when Nick@Nite in 2001 had acquired Family Ties until 2003, they did play full opening theme. Same thing for TVLand in 2004.

They played the closing but they did the 5-10 second crunch towards the end to advertise Jeannie marathon this weekend and it cut off part of Ubu. At least it isn't as bad as the split screen. I refuse to watch anything shown that way.

The new announcer Shadoe Stevens is actually good. I like the new channel graphics as well. But this crunching is just unacceptable. And once Family Ties completes this cycle around late 2015/early 2016, I am done with Antenna TV for good unless they stop this awful credit crunching. I might still check out Carson to see what he's like but I doubt I would watch him regularly.

They played the closing but they did the 5-10 second crunch towards the end to advertise Jeannie marathon this weekend and it cut off part of Ubu. At least it isn't as bad as the split screen. I refuse to watch anything shown that way.

The Hub did the same thing!

The new announcer Shadoe Stevens is actually good. I like the new channel graphics as well. But this crunching is just unacceptable. And once Family Ties completes this cycle around late 2015/early 2016, I am done with Antenna TV for good unless they stop this awful credit crunching.
We know. Just like with "The Jeffersons".

they'd better not do this "credit crunch" on Johnny Carson in Jan.

They played the closing but they did the 5-10 second crunch towards the end to advertise Jeannie marathon this weekend and it cut off part of Ubu. At least it isn't as bad as the split screen. I refuse to watch anything shown that way.

But if that keeps up, new viewers won't know why Ubu is a good dog.

All of you who keep complaining about Antenna TV sure are taking it for granted. At least you still have affiliates, my idiot CBS station is getting rid of it in a few weeks. Credit crunching isn't ideal but Antenna TV still easily has the best lineup. The only other station that comes close is Me-TV, and I've never had the chance to see that network. To say Antenna is turning into TVLand or will become like it is quite pathetic. :rolleyes:

I dont like the credit crunch but I dont think Antenna TV will turn into TVLand. I just dont. Catsrule, I can see why some people will worry. It starts with the end credit crunch, then its the off the clock programming, editing the shows etc.

Instead of the credit crunch, why cant they have a little pop up ad saying what they want to say. Ex. Family Ties. Instead of them plugging the Jeanie Marathon with a credit crunch, why not play the full Family Ties including the dog, and have a little pop up ad about the Jeanie Marathon?

Ads plastered on the screen are no better.

I dont like the credit crunch but I dont think Antenna TV will turn into TVLand. I just dont. Catsrule, I can see why some people will worry. It starts with the end credit crunch, then its the off the clock programming, editing the shows etc.

Instead of the credit crunch, why cant they have a little pop up ad saying what they want to say. Ex. Family Ties. Instead of them plugging the Jeanie Marathon with a credit crunch, why not play the full Family Ties including the dog, and have a little pop up ad about the Jeanie Marathon?

Tonight was even worse on the second episode of Family Ties which was the one where Uncle Arthur made a pass at Mallory. They didn't even play the credits and they crunched the last scene where Steven was talking to Mallory to promote their stupid Jeannie marathon and I didn't even what was spoken and the captions didn't show up either. This is just wrong. Crunching credits is bad enough but crunching the show itself is even worse.

Tonight was even worse on the second episode of Family Ties which was the one where Uncle Arthur made a pass at Mallory. They didn't even play the credits and they crunched the last scene where Steven was talking to Mallory to promote their stupid Jeannie marathon and I didn't even what was spoken and the captions didn't show up either. This is just wrong. Crunching credits is bad enough but crunching the show itself is even worse.

I remember that episode i saw it when it aired on TV Land then The Hub, glad you guy's get to watch it :)

Tonight was even worse on the second episode of Family Ties which was the one where Uncle Arthur made a pass at Mallory. They didn't even play the credits and they crunched the last scene where Steven was talking to Mallory to promote their stupid Jeannie marathon and I didn't even what was spoken and the captions didn't show up either. This is just wrong. Crunching credits is bad enough but crunching the show itself is even worse.
TV Land used to mistime and do stuff like this--when you start screwing around with programming you get mistakes like this. All the more reason to just boycott this network. Some adult at Tribune needs to step in and take these toys away from whoever controls the reins at this mess of a network.

I dont watch Family Ties but now there doing this with the credits? Oh boy...

What could be next?

Here's what's next to expect:

Ads plastered on the screen, tv ratings at start, tv ratings after every commercial, logo bugs on the main feed.
Retyped credits showing at the bottom of the end of the program.
Ads permanently under the logo bug.

I dont watch Family Ties but now there doing this with the credits? Oh boy...

What could be next?

The new announcer Shadoe Stevens is actually good.
When I first tuned in I heard that Laugh In's announcer Gary Owens was doing the announcing. Then a few months later Gary passed away. Was this so. ? I haven't seen Shadow since he was on the Hollywood Squares show many years ago.

Shadoe does sound pretty good, and I like that they've actually started putting times on their promos. For a minute, they would simply say "Watch (insert show), weekdays/weeknights...on Antenna TV!" It was so generic.

Shadoe Stevens is great but I hate that they are still saying TV how it was meant to be because that is a huge lie with all this horrible credit crunching. But I do like the new graphics.

I haven't watched Antenna TV since they began crunching the credits back in September. I love TV theme songs and credits and I don't enjoy watching them in tiny side-by-side windows. I have an old 27" standard definition picture tube TV and the tiny windows are too small for me to see.

But today I tuned in to Antenna TV to see if things have changed, and they certainly have...for the worse. Gidget was on and it was letter boxed! Even though I am watching it from an SD cable box on an old SD TV. My TV doesn't have controls to stretch and fill and zoom and all that, so I can't adjust the picture.

The characters were all squashed because of the letter boxing. I realize the fact that I have an old TV is my problem. But still...why would a channel that shows only old TV shows that were made before HD came to TV start letter boxing shows? Even the Johnny Carson shows they have added were made before TV switch to the wider format. I know there are some TV shows that were made before HD came to TV that were still filmed in the wide format, but still...how many of those are there, really? The majority of the shows Antenna TV airs were made in the 4:3 ratio.

I don't know if the letter boxing is coming from our local affiliate or from Antenna TV. I suspect it's the local affiliate, but I would be interested to know if other areas are seeing the letter boxing as well. I wonder how tiny the two tiny "episode ending" and "episode beginning" boxes will look now inside the squashed letter boxing.

Fortunately our local MeTV affiliate still shows everything full screen. Unfortunately, there is a "blip" in the signal about 30 seconds into the beginning of each show. This started when MeTV's lineup changed last fall. I had hoped it was temporary but it's been going on ever since. The "blip" interrupts the theme music or sometimes interrupts the dialogue if the TV show has a teaser (called a cold open, today, I think?). The blip lasts about two seconds.

The thing is, I have basic cable (so I can get the locals like MeTV and Antenna TV), but I also have satellite. Our local MeTV affiliate is the secondary channel for the Fox affiliate. I've noticed when I watch shows on the Fox primary channel from the cable box, the blip is there as well. When I watch shows on the Fox primary channel from the satellite box, there is no blip. So I think the blip is coming from the cable company rather than from the Fox/MeTV station itself. Although I'm not certain about that...

I'm glad I can watch The Jeffersons and Good Times full screen and uncut on Encore Black on satellite TV now. And my satellite TV is standard def so they show up full screen on my old 27" picture tube TV. Full opening and closing credits, no commercials! So long to Antenna TV!

I sure hate what has happened to Antenna TV though. I tend to like sitcoms more than dramas now and I used to enjoy watching Antenna TV sitcoms in the afternoons when MeTV is showing all the dreary hour-long dramas (including westerns). I used to enjoy the hour-long dramas/weaterns, but I have some medical problems that have affected my attention span and it seems I no longer have the patience for the hour-long shows and they have become dreary and dull to me. The sitcoms are short and funny and full of pep. I do still watch The Rifleman on MeTV since that is a 30-minute show. But Antenna TV runs a lot of great old sitcoms that I wish I could watch on TV.

There are three problems with Antenna TV and/or our local Antenna TV affiliate that have caused me to stop watching it:

(1) Crunching the credits
(2) Too many commercials, more than our local MeTV affiliate has. There are so many commercials the Antenna TV sitcoms are chopped up very badly. I suspect this is a local affiliate issue because many of the commercials are locally produced or PSAs.
(3) And now, letter boxing, leading to a squashed picture.

Sigh.

Robbie

I see that it's not letterboxes on mine when I turn in there. But I haven't watched this channel in a while either because I can't stand the credit crunch. But I occasionally flip to it to see if they are still doing the crunch and unfortunately they are. Now I'm trying to buy more shows on DVD. What really disappoints me is Antenna had more shows that I like than Me. If Me had been the one to crunch credits instead, I would have still been kind of disappointed but it wouldn't be as big of an issue since I don't watch it that much like I used to watch Antenna.

A couple of things: the problems with the tons of manipulations that are made with the standard def picture: some of it is based on the local channel, some is based on the cable channel, and some is based on the actual cable box (for example, on the cable box--one cable box I have gets COZI with the dreaded side bars, and another cable box send a normal picture).

Now about Antenna TV: they are an absolute mess. I could not believe the amount of commercials in one program the other day. Yes, a lot of them are local, but this is still time allocated to ads--you can tell it's ad time, since the local ads 'chop' off the program too soon, and end too early, resulting in seeing a few seconds of the end of the Antenna TV ad. Antenna TV is doing exactly what TV Land did a few years ago. TV Land never recovered, and I suspect Antenna TV won't either. Everything they are doing wrong, MeTV is doing right. MeTV is obviously succeeding--they do not antagonize their viewers--they have smart promotions, they look professional, and they respect the program itself, airing 23:00 of program time (I'd hate to time out Antenna now). The corollary to MeTV succeeding is that Antenna TV is obviously failing.

I've mentioned this before, but Antenna TV's commercials just scream low-budget. They've gotten a little better, but it's still a bunch of catheter and medical settlement ads, and the same two-minute Cancer Center commercials.

All the other subchannels run circles around Antenna TV in the commercial department. It was mentioned that lost revenue is why they have to squeeze the credits. I wonder if they had better commercials, would this still be the case?

I've mentioned this before, but Antenna TV's commercials just scream low-budget. They've gotten a little better, but it's still a bunch of catheter and medical settlement ads, and the same two-minute Cancer Center commercials.

All the other subchannels run circles around Antenna TV in the commercial department. It was mentioned that lost revenue is why they have to squeeze the credits. I wonder if they had better commercials, would this still be the case?

Lest unfriendly eyes be watching, I'll make sure to say this is only opinion--I think it's desperation time for them. I think they're in a death spiral...

Lest unfriendly eyes be watching, I'll make sure to say this is only opinion--I think it's desperation time for them. I think they're in a death spiral...

I think you are right about that.

Gidget was on and it was letter boxed!Letterbox??

Well Antenna TV has gone to garbage also!!

I think the letterbox thing is either the cable box type or what the local channel does to the signal. In Indy Antenna it's normal def.

Yea hopefully!!!!!!!!

I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about "credit crunching" If you don't like the " credit crunching ", no one is forcing you to watch it . That's why DVDs were invented . So you don't have to worry about the end credits getting" crunched".

It amazes me how people get worked up over the littlest things in life.

But some of the shows on Antenna TV aren't available on DVD like One Day at a Time (except the first season).

I suppose, but you could always just stream the shows online, or you could petition for the DVD company to release the rest of the seasons

I'd rather them start the shows on time and present the full credits in full screen. I don't like what they do with the end credits but I can live with that. It just looks very amateurish.

I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about "credit crunching" If you don't like the " credit crunching ", no one is forcing you to watch it . That's why DVDs were invented . So you don't have to worry about the end credits getting" crunched".

It amazes me how people get worked up over the littlest things in life.
Oh sure spend money on DVDs and then you are stuck with the discs. What does a box of show cost? I'm with show the program the way it should be. But I tend to think they do that is MORE commercials.

Does anyone watch Dear John on late weeknights? Do they do the split screen crunch on it or do they just do the ad crunch or no crunch at all?

Oh sure spend money on DVDs and then you are stuck with the discs. What does a box of show cost? I'm with show the program the way it should be. But I tend to think they do that is MORE commercials.


The usual amount is about $19.00 to around $39 .00

Does anyone watch Dear John on late weeknights? Do they do the split screen crunch on it or do they just do the ad crunch or no crunch at all?


From the episodes I've seen, Antenna Tv does the split screen crunches.

Does anyone watch Dear John on late weeknights? Do they do the split screen crunch on it or do they just do the ad crunch or no crunch at all?
They crunch the credits. It's sickening. If you DVR it ,you also have to adjust your time to end a minute late.

I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about "credit crunching" If you don't like the " credit crunching ", no one is forcing you to watch it . That's why DVDs were invented . So you don't have to worry about the end credits getting" crunched".

It amazes me how people get worked up over the littlest things in life.

I agree with you, all the networks except Me-TV do credit crunching. That's how this goes. People need to stop complaining about this and move on.

They crunch the credits. It's sickening. If you DVR it ,you also have to adjust your time to end a minute late.

Thanks. Then I guess I won't record it.

Thanks. Then I guess I won't record it.
The only reason I do is because it hasn't been seen on TV in 20 years.

Dear John is over on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHaPhhj-i7Ve95HmUZzrwWY5kfitYT08t

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHaPhhj-i7VfgwPSI7irx56ue2Oz27hDA

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFdC4pjIjdAVQtN43OeDzaJ7eTyFgoqac

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHaPhhj-i7VcaV3hfBZOOQ9VO8pUYwBBT

The only reason I do is because it hasn't been seen on TV in 20 years.

Dear John is over on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHaPhhj-i7Ve95HmUZzrwWY5kfitYT08t

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHaPhhj-i7VfgwPSI7irx56ue2Oz27hDA

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFdC4pjIjdAVQtN43OeDzaJ7eTyFgoqac

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHaPhhj-i7VcaV3hfBZOOQ9VO8pUYwBBT

Thanks. I guess I will download and save all these and watch them sometime.

I would like to know what's the point of the credit crunch? Ex, you watch ODAAT and they credit crunch for a promo of Family Ties. Why?

I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about "credit crunching" If you don't like the " credit crunching ", no one is forcing you to watch it . That's why DVDs were invented . So you don't have to worry about the end credits getting" crunched".

It amazes me how people get worked up over the littlest things in life.
Seems like you're getting worked up over something trivial as well. It's one thread out of who knows how many on the forum. Just like no one's forcing anyone to watch, no one forced you to click the thread. If folks are annoyed, let em be.

I would like to know what's the point of the credit crunch? Ex, you watch ODAAT and they credit crunch for a promo of Family Ties. Why?

I know. It makes no sense. The same promos are shown during regular commercial breaks so why is it necessary to crunch credits to show them more?

I would like to know what's the point of the credit crunch? Ex, you watch ODAAT and they credit crunch for a promo of Family Ties. Why?
I said in another post that they told me they don't want to do it but unfortunately as these "digi-nets" are becoming more and more popular and more and more of them are appearing the price for the programing is increasing. So they have to do SOMETHING to justify the extra cost. They considered many options, but this seemed the best one.

Also (I think) they paid a pretty penny for all those Johnny Carson episodes.

I used to concern myself over this but I'm not concerning myself over this anymore because I love Antenna so much and I love Johnny Carson.

I tried to watch Carson one night but I just couldn't get into it. I don't watch anything else here anymore because of the credit crunch. Luckily I just purchased the complete series of Mork and Mindy and Family Ties, and I also downloaded the entire series of Dear John off YouTube. I have many more series that I plan to buy in the next year or so as well.

I know. I do too but during this month and next.

I am bothered by not hearing credits music but I think that Antenna is still awesome.

I tried to watch Carson one night but I just couldn't get into it. I don't watch anything else here anymore because of the credit crunch. Luckily I just purchased the complete series of Mork and Mindy and Family Ties, and I also downloaded the entire series of Dear John off YouTube. I have many more series that I plan to buy in the next year or so as well.


I tried watching Johnny Carson many times, but just like you, I could not get into it.

Unlike you guys, I LOVE Johnny Carson! He is so awesome and I love all the references to the 70s, 80s and 90s to see what was actually going on. I'm still planning on buying some series next Thursday but those will be the last two for awhile. My pocket is taking a beating from all the shows I've purchased recently. I'd like to focus on buying movies next month.

I said in another post that they told me they don't want to do it but unfortunately as these "digi-nets" are becoming more and more popular and more and more of them are appearing the price for the programing is increasing. So they have to do SOMETHING to justify the extra cost. They considered many options, but this seemed the best one.


I am curious as to what some of the other options were that they looked at. I hate the credit crunch, but it's preferable to what other channels do -- like TV Land, which runs the end credits plastered at the bottom of the screen during the final scene. And actually, I caught the beginning of a Law & Order repeat on TNT a couple weeks ago, and the opening credits they actually ran in a box at the bottom of the screen, while the opening teaser played at the top of the screen.

And then there's Cozi, which for some, but not all, of their shows, they don't show end credits at all. I've never been quite sure how they get away with that; surely they're breaking some kind of contractual requirement or something. The way channels have squished and squished end credits for movies and TV shows over the past 20 years, I've got a feeling that if they weren't required to show them they'd have just scrapped them altogether.

Mike

I am curious as to what some of the other options were that they looked at. I hate the credit crunch, but it's preferable to what other channels do -- like TV Land, which runs the end credits plastered at the bottom of the screen during the final scene. And actually, I caught the beginning of a Law & Order repeat on TNT a couple weeks ago, and the opening credits they actually ran in a box at the bottom of the screen, while the opening teaser played at the top of the screen.

And then there's Cozi, which for some, but not all, of their shows, they don't show end credits at all. I've never been quite sure how they get away with that; surely they're breaking some kind of contractual requirement or something. The way channels have squished and squished end credits for movies and TV shows over the past 20 years, I've got a feeling that if they weren't required to show them they'd have just scrapped them altogether.

Mike

TBS does the same thing TNT did on many of their shows by crunching the opening credits while the opening teaser scene is showing. I really hate that and that's even worse than crunching the closing credits. They do that on Friends and Married with Children and they did it with Fresh Prince before when they had it and would probably do it again if they brought it back, so I won't watch those there. Thankfully they don't do it with Full House and they actually play the closing credits full screen as well but speed it up so you only hear part of the theme. They don't crunch the opening on the Big Bang Theory either, which is a plus for me, although they do split screen with the closing, which I don't like, but it doesn't bother me as much on newer shows since they air more like that anyways,