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neognosis
04-19-2015, 10:43 AM
dancart where art tho? i miss u!

same location, about 5 years before some of the serial killer's first possible victims.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Su-Ya_Kim

Real Name: Su-Ya Kim
Nicknames: No Known Nicknames
Location: New York City, New York
Date: June 29, 1991
Su ya kim2 suspect

A composite of Su-Ya's killer
CaseEdit

Details: In 1981, Su Young and Su-Ya Kim were married and soon moved to the United States from Korea. By 1991, they both lived in New York with their two sons and owned two successful stores. However, their happy life was ruined on June 29. Su-Ya dropped her two sons off at their grandmother's house and went shopping. When her husband came home later, she had not returned, and he later found her car parked in their parking garage with the engine stone cold. The next day, police identified the remains of a young woman has Su Ya's. She had been murdered by nine stab wounds from a unknown man; her remains coldly dumped in a trash dumpster. Police determined that she had been the victim of random violence, but were able to find a witness. Before her body was found, a security guard witnessed an unidentified man early in the morning acting strangely around the garbage can that was later found to have contained Su Ya's remains. The man soon left and the security guard began looking through the garbage and found her body. He hailed a passing ambulance, but Su-Ya had been dead for several hours. The security guard gave a description of the man and the license plate, which was later found to belong to a Taiwanese college student who had nothing to do with the case. Police began looking at the security guard as a suspect, until a lie detector test proved he had nothing to do with the murder either. The police are now looking for leads in her murder. For nearly two years, husband Su-Young Kim stayed in the United States, but the memories of his wife proved too painful to bear. In April of 1993, he shut down his business and returned with his two little boys to South Korea, his wife's killer's identity still a mystery.
Suspects: The unidentified person seen by the security guard was a white man wearing round glasses. He may have worked in or lived around the area that the garbage can was located. He has never been identified.
Extra Notes: This segment ran for the first time on October 20, 1993.
Actor Daniel Dae Kim, who played Jin in the TV-series "Lost," as well as appearances on "Hawaii-Five 0" and "24," appears in this segment as Su-Ya's husband's brother.
Results: Unsolved

from wiki

Long Island serial killer

Victims 10–17
Span of killings
c. 1996–
Country United States
State(s) New York
Date apprehended
Unapprehended

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to by media sources as the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected American serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 17 people associated with the sex trade over a period of nearly 20 years and dumped their bodies along the Ocean Parkway, near the remote Long Island beach towns of Gilgo Beach and Oak Beach in Suffolk County and the area of Jones Beach State Park in Nassau County.

The remains of four victims were found in December 2010, while six more sets of remains were found in March and April 2011.[1][2][3] Police believe that the latest sets of remains predate the four bodies found in December 2010.[4]

On May 9, 2011, authorities surmised that two of the newest sets of remains might be the work of a second killer.[5] On November 29, 2011, however, the police announced that they believe that one person is responsible for all 10 deaths and that they do not believe that the case of Shannan Gilbert (see below) is related.[6] "It is clear that the area in and around Gilgo Beach has been used to discard human remains for some period of time," said Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota.[7]

Police investigation

Police were initially searching for Shannan Gilbert, a 24-year-old woman working as an escort[8][9] from New Jersey who was reported missing in May 2010. She was last seen in the area after she ran from, rather than to, her driver, Michael Pak,[10] who was waiting for her outside a client's house in nearby Oak Beach.[10]
Exit for Robert Moses Causeway on the Ocean Parkway, near where the first body was found.

In December 2010, a police officer and his dog on a routine training exercise discovered the first body – "the skeletal remains of a woman in a nearly disintegrated burlap sack".[11] This discovery led to three more bodies being found two days later in the same area on the north side of the Ocean Parkway. Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said "Four bodies found in the same location pretty much speaks for itself. It's more than a coincidence. We could have a serial killer."[12] A few months later, in late March and early April 2011, four more bodies were discovered in another area off the parkway. Suffolk Police expanded the search area up to the Nassau County border, looking for more victims.[13]

On April 6, 2011, Detective Lt. Kevin Smith of the Nassau County Police Department said that his office will "further explore and investigate any criminal activity which may be in close proximity to the recently discovered human remains found in Suffolk." Smith also said that Nassau Police will be coordinating with Suffolk County and New York State Police on the investigation.[14] Five days later, the search for more bodies began in Nassau County. Local media reported that an additional set of partial human remains was found, as well as a separate skull, bringing the potential total number of victims found since December to ten.[15] On April 22, 2011, two human teeth were found about a foot from the skull.[16] On June 16, 2011, Suffolk County police raised the reward from $5,000 to $25,000 (the largest ever offered in the county's history) for information leading to an arrest in the Long Island murders.[17]

On September 20, 2011, police released composite sketches of two of the unidentified victims whose remains were found in March and April 2011 (an Asian male and Jane Doe No. 6), as well as photos of jewelry found on the remains of a female toddler and her mother, found on April 4 and 11, 2011, respectively.[18] The toddler's mother was also revealed as one of the sets of remains found in Nassau County on April 11.[18] Also on September 20, police revealed that the second set of remains found in Nassau County on April 11, 2011, matched two legs that were found in a garbage bag that had washed up on Fire Island in 1996.[18][19] As of September 22, 2011, the police had received over 1,200 tips via text, email and phone since the beginning of the investigation.[19]

On November 29, 2011, police announced that they believe one person is responsible for all 10 murders, and that the person is almost certainly from Long Island.[20]

On December 13, 2011, the remains of Shannan Gilbert were found in a marsh about half a mile from where she disappeared, and a week after some of her clothes and belongings were found in the vicinity. Police believe that Shannan accidentally drowned after stumbling into a swamp, a view not shared by her mother. She had last been seen banging on a resident's door and screaming for help before running off into the night. A panicked 911 call from Gilbert that night revealed her saying that "they were going to kill her."[21]
Identity of the killer

There has been much speculation in the media concerning the identity of the killer, currently known as "Unsub" – unknown subject.[22] It has been suggested that the serial killer is most likely a white male in his mid-20s to mid-40s who is very familiar with the South Shore of Long Island and who has access to burlap sacks which he uses to contain the bodies in.[22] He may have a detailed knowledge of law enforcement techniques which have thus far helped him avoid detection, and perhaps even ties to law enforcement.[22][23]

Some have speculated that serial killer and former Long Island resident Joel Rifkin may have been responsible for some of the older remains found in March and April 2011, as four of the victims' bodies were never found.[24] In an April 2011 prison interview with Newsday, Rifkin denied having anything to do with recently discovered remains.[24]
Victims
Bodies discovered in December 2010

Of the ten bodies or sets of remains found since late 2010, the four discovered in December 2010 have been identified as missing prostitutes who all advertised their services on Craigslist. They had all been strangled and their bodies wrapped in burlap sacks before being dumped along Gilgo Beach.[25] All are believed to have been killed elsewhere.
Identified

Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, of Norwich, Connecticut, was a prostitute who advertised her services online. Maureen, who was only four feet eleven inches tall and one hundred five pounds, went to Long Island, New York, "to spend the day in New York City" and was never seen again.[26] Maureen, a struggling mother, escorted off of Craigslist to pay the mortgage on her house, but after successfully leaving the sex industry for seven months Maureen eventually returned to pay her bills after receiving an eviction notice.[27] She was last seen on July 9, 2007, when she left Norwich for New York City.[28] Her body was found in December 2010.[29]
Melissa Barthelemy, 24, of Erie County, New York, went missing on July 10, 2009. She had been living in the Bronx and working as an escort through Craigslist.[30] On the night she went missing, she met with a client, deposited $900 in her bank account and attempted to call an old boyfriend, but did not get through. Beginning one week after her disappearance, and lasting for five weeks, her teenage sister, Amanda, received a series of "vulgar, mocking and insulting" calls from someone who may have been the killer, using her sister's cell phone.[31]
Megan Waterman, 22, of South Portland, Maine, went missing on June 6, 2010, after placing advertisements on Craigslist as an escort; the day before she had told her 20-year-old boyfriend that she was going out and would call him later. At the time of her disappearance, she was staying at a motel in Hauppauge, NY, 15 miles northeast of Gilgo Beach. Her body was also recovered in December 2010.[32]
Amber Lynn Costello, 27, of North Babylon, New York, a town ten miles north of Gilgo Beach. She was a prostitute and a heroin user, and went missing on September 2, 2010.[32] On the night she disappeared, she went to meet a stranger who had called her several times and offered her $1,500 for her services.[33] As of 2012 Costello's sister and fellow prostitute, Kimberly Overstreet, has vowed to use the same Craigslist booking system as her sister in an effort to lure the killer.[34]

Remains discovered in March and April 2011

The four sets of remains discovered on March 29 and April 4 were all within two miles and to the east of those found in December. They included two women, a man, and a toddler.[5] A skull and a partial set of remains were found on April 11 after the search expanded into Nassau County.[35] They were found about one mile apart, approximately five miles west of those found in December.[36]
Identified

Jessica Taylor, 20, most recently of Manhattan, went missing in July 2003. On July 26, 2003, her naked torso, chopped in pieces and missing its head and hands, was discovered 45 miles east of Gilgo Beach in Manorville, New York;[37] these remains were identified by DNA analysis later that year.[38] On May 9, 2011, it was reported that the remains of a skull, a pair of hands and a forearm found on March 29 at Gilgo belonged to Taylor.[39][40] She had worked in Washington, D.C., and Manhattan as a prostitute.[5][41] The remains of "Jane Doe No. 6" were also found both in Manorville (torso) and on Gilgo beach (head, hands and foot).[42]

Unidentified

"Jane Doe No. 6": A human head, right foot and hands found on April 4, were determined to have belonged to an unidentified victim, the rest of whose body was found on November 19, 2000, in the same part of Manorville where most of Jessica Taylor's remains were discovered. The dismembered remains of Jessica Taylor and Jane Doe No. 6 were both disposed of in a similar manner and in the same town, suggesting a link. In September 2011, police released a composite sketch of Jane Doe No. 6: she was about 5' 2" and was between 18 and 35 years old. It is likely that she worked as a prostitute.[18]
"John Doe": Also discovered on April 4 at Gilgo Beach, very close to where the first four were discovered in December 2010, was the body of what appeared to be a young Asian male who died from blunt-force trauma.[5][40] In September 2011, Police released a composite sketch of the victim and stated that he had likely been working as a prostitute and was wearing women's clothes at the time of his death.[18] He was between 17 and 23 years of age, 5' 6" in height, and missing four teeth; he had been dead for between five to 10 years.[18]
"Baby Doe: The third body found on April 4, about 250 feet away from "Jane Doe No. 6", was that of a female toddler between 16 and 24 months of age.[43] The body wrapped in a blanket and showed no visible signs of trauma. DNA tests determined that the child's mother was "Jane Doe No. 3", whose body was found 10 miles east near Jones Beach State Park.[44] She was reported to be "non-Caucasian" and was wearing earrings and a necklace.[19]
"Jane Doe No. 3": On April 11, police in Nassau County discovered dismembered skeletal human remains inside a plastic bag near Jones Beach State Park. DNA analysis identified this victim as the mother of "Baby Doe".[44] She was found wearing similar jewelry to "Baby Doe".[18]
"Jane Doe No. 7": Also on April 11, at nearby Tobay Beach, a separate human skull and several teeth were recovered.[20][40] These remains were linked by DNA testing to a set of legs found in a garbage bag on Fire Island on April 20, 1996.[44]

Other possible victims

These additional cases have not been officially linked to the other 10 bodies, but are being considered by police.

On June 28, 1997, the dismembered torso of an unidentified young African-American female was found at Hempstead Lake State Park, in the town of Lakeview. The torso was found in a green plastic Rubbermaid container, which was dumped next to a road along the west side of the lake. Investigators reported that the victim had a tattoo of a heart-shaped peach with a bite out of it and two drips falling from its core on her left breast. Her head and limbs were never found, the identity of the victim was never determined, and she is referred to as "Peaches" by investigators.[45]
On March 3, 2007, a suitcase containing the dismembered torso of an unidentified Hispanic or light-skinned African-American washed up on a beach at Harbor Island Park, in the town of Mamaroneck. The victim had a tattoo of two cherries on her left breast that was similar in appearance to the tattoo found on Peaches, and was determined to have been stabbed to death. Never identified, the victim is referred to as "Cherries" by investigators. One of her legs washed up at Cold Spring Harbor on March 21, and her other leg washed up at Oyster Bay in the village of Cove Neck the following day. Both Peaches and Cherries were dismembered in a fashion similar to that of Jessica Taylor and Jane Doe No. 6, and both are possibly linked to the other 10 official victims.[45][46]
On May 17, 2011, the New York Post reported that Long Island police are now revisiting at least two other similar unsolved murders of prostitutes. The only victim named in the article was Tanya Rush, 39, a mother of three from Brooklyn whose dismembered body was found in a small suitcase in June 2008 on the shoulder of the Southern State Parkway in Bellmore, New York. Police refused to reveal information about the other case.[47]
Shannan Maria Gilbert (October 24, 1986 – May 1, 2010) was an escort who may have been a victim the Long Island serial killer. She left for a client's residence in Oak Beach after midnight on May 1, 2010. At 4:51 in the morning, 911 dispatchers received a panicked phone call from Gilbert, who can be heard saying that there was someone "after her" and that "they" were trying to kill her. She was last seen a short time later banging on the front door of a nearby Oak Beach residence and screaming for help before running off into the night.[48] After nineteen months of searching, police found Gilbert's remains in a marsh, half a mile away from where she was last seen.[49] In May 2012 the Suffolk County medical examiners ruled Shannan's death as "death by misadventure" or "inconclusive"; while her family believes she was murdered.[50] On November 15, 2012 a lawsuit was filed by Mari Gilbert (Shannan's mother) against the Suffolk County Police Department in the hopes of getting more answers about what happened to Shannan the night she went missing.[51] Due to controversy surrounding the cause of Gilbert's death, in September 2014, famed forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden agreed to conduct an independent autopsy of Shannan Gilbert's remains in hopes of determining a clear cause of death.[52]
On January 23, 2013, a woman walking her dog found human remains intentionally buried in a small piece of brush in a sandy area along the shore at the end of Sheep Lane in Lattingtown, near Oyster Bay. The remains are believed to be of a woman between the ages of twenty and thirty years old, possibly Asian. She was wearing a twenty-two karat gold pig pendant which may be a reference in Asian culture to "The Year of the Pig". This leads some to believe she died at the age of twenty-nine. There was trauma caused to her bones; investigators believe she was buried before Hurricane Sandy in late 2012. Her case may be connected to the other 10 bodies found thirty-two miles away in and around Gilgo Beach, New York.[53]
On March 16, 2013, a 31-year old Yugoslavian-American woman later identified by the name of Natasha Jugo was last seen leaving her home near Alley Pond Park, Queens. Her car was found along Ocean Parkway and some of her clothes and belongings were found in the sand near Gilgo Beach the following day. Jugo was described as 5-feet, 7-inches tall, 120 pounds with brown eyes and blonde hair. She was last seen wearing a black robe, pink pajamas, gray hooded sweatshirt, black coat and black boots. Police are unsure whether the case is connected to the victims of the Long Island Serial Killer. Jugo's family mentioned that she had "a history of problems in which she thought people were following her".[54][55] On June 24, 2013, Natasha's body washed up on Gilgo Beach.[56]


Su Ya was murdered in 1991 and the earliest known victim of long island serial killer is 1996. 5 years. most victims female like Su Ya.

Su-Ya’s nude body was found in a dumpster

New York City has always promised the hope of a new start to immigrants like Su-Young Kim and his wife, Su-Ya. In 1981, they married in Seoul, South Korea, then moved to the United States. Su-Young and Su-Ya worked in flea markets until they were finally able to open two stores, one in Long Island and the other in Bushwick, a section of Brooklyn known for its ethnic diversity.

one of 2 stores, 1 store in Long Island, where killer hunted.

could this be the face of a young long island killer?

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/unsolvedmysteries/images/3/32/Su_ya_kim2_suspect.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110911002317

based on his brush w/ security officer by trash cash as told by UM he obviously changed his MO and dump site.

dumping bodies in trash to risky so he dumps it somewhere else.

Joel David Rifkin (born January 20, 1959) is an American serial killer convicted of the murders of nine women (although it is believed he killed as many as 17),[1] mostly drug-addicted prostitutes, between 1989 and 1993 in New York City. Also, he is suspected by some to be responsible for some of the Long Island Prostitute Murders whose remains were found in March and April 2011, as four of his victims' bodies were never found.[2] In an April 2011 prison interview with Newsday, Rifkin denied having anything to do with recently discovered remains.[2] Experts and victims' rights advocates, however, believe that Rifkin's recent statements have no value.[2] Although Rifkin often hired prostitutes in Brooklyn and Manhattan, he lived in East Meadow, a suburban town on Long Island.
Murders

Rifkin committed his first murder in 1989, killing a woman in his home in East Meadow, Nassau County, Long Island, New York, and then dismembering her body (removing her teeth and fingertips, putting her head in a paint can and then leaving the paint can in the woods of a southern New Jersey golf course and her legs further north in New Jersey and then dumping her remaining torso and arms into the East River around New York City). Over the next four years, it is presumed he killed 16 more women.[1] Sometimes he would take his victims back to East Meadow, New York, to the house where he lived with his sister and elderly mother. Other times he killed them in his car.[citation needed] After his final arrest in 1993, Rifkin was implicated in the murder of a woman whose severed head was discovered on a Hopewell, New Jersey, golf course on March 5, 1989.[5] In 2013, investigators determined this victim, a prostitute named Heidi Balch, was the same woman that he described as his first victim.[6]

Police finally caught up to Rifkin on June 28, 1993, when state troopers spotted him driving his pickup truck without license plates on the Southern State Parkway. A high-speed chase ended in Mineola, New York when he crashed into a utility pole directly in front of the courthouse where he eventually stood trial. Troopers detected a foul odor from the back of the truck. It came from the corpse of prostitute and dancer Tiffany Bresciani, 22, the girlfriend of Dave Rubinstein (a.k.a. Dave Insurgent, a member of the 1980s punk band Reagan Youth),[7] Rifkin's final victim.[8] Rifkin had picked Bresciani up in his Mazda pick-up truck on June 24, 1993, where she was working on Allen Street.[8][9][10]

During his trial, Rifkin was represented by Mineola, New York-based attorney John Lawrence. Rifkin was found guilty of nine counts of second degree murder in 1994 and sentenced to 203 years to life in prison. His first possible parole date is February 26, 2197.[11]
Prison life

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/unsolvedmysteries/images/3/32/Su_ya_kim2_suspect.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110911002317

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XCalibur
07-11-2015, 10:39 AM
Unless there is more to this than I know this seems like a plausible and interesting theory.

neognosis
07-11-2015, 09:57 PM
Unless there is more to this than I know this seems like a plausible and interesting theory.


aww thank you.

:crazy:

suya lived and was murdered in New York June 29, 1991 with stores in Long Island.


well if suya was murdered by a stranger who has never murdered before or since i doubt it will ever be solved short of a confession, or someone coming forward, or perhaps mysterious video tape surveillance footage. maybe they found dna like semen they can run through CODIS? maybe touch DNA?

if suya was murdered by a serial killer passing through and is now living somewhere else or another country or a tourist i doubt it will be solved.

but if suya was murdered by a known serial killer in Long Island, there are 2 known possibilities. i've listed them.

so its process of elimination.

there are 2 known serial killers in Long Island June 29, 1991 so its a matter of looking at their killings and comparing it with SUya's murder.


Joel David Rifkin (born January 20, 1959) is an American serial killer convicted of the murders of nine women (although it is believed he killed as many as 17),[1] mostly drug-addicted prostitutes, between 1989 and 1993 in New York City.

Long Island serial kiler start date is unknown but speculated as early as 1996 possibly earlier. long island serial killer remains unknown.


compare DNA from Joel Rifkin with an tDNA or any DNA found on Suya

neognosis
07-11-2015, 10:04 PM
doing more research i learned there's more

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/weekinreview/10killer.html

Why So Many Serial Killers on Long Island?

By MANNY FERNANDEZAPRIL 9, 2011


Since 1989, when the first victim was killed, the three have been active in Long Island’s two counties — Suffolk and Nassau — in apparently unrelated cases. Joel Rifkin, a 34-year-old unemployed landscaper from East Meadow, confessed to killing 17 women he said were prostitutes following his arrest in 1993. Robert Shulman, a 42-year-old postal worker from Hicksville, was convicted of killing five prostitutes after he was arrested in 1996. The third killer has yet to be apprehended, but the police know that he or she exists: the bodies of eight people — at least four of them female prostitutes — have been found in the thick brush near a Suffolk County beach since December.

It is a phenomenon that, though rare, has occurred elsewhere. Beginning in the early 1980s, at least five serial killers terrorized the South Los Angeles area, including Lonnie Franklin Jr., whom the police accused of being the so-called Grim Sleeper (he took a hiatus from 1988 to 2002).

Serial-killer experts and others offered a host of theories for the cluster phenomenon. Several said it was a fluke of geography. Still others said it was, in a sense, an illusion: Other cities and regions could have just as many or even more serial killers in their midst, but their patterns have not yet been detected by the police.

if Suya was murdered by a long island serial killer active in 1991, which serial killer most closely resembers the sketch and MO

jjmcgr
07-17-2015, 02:00 PM
Unless there is more to this than I know this seems like a plausible and interesting theory.

I don't think it was the LI serial killer. He dumped his victims in the woods far out on LI, not in dumpsters where they'd be found quickly. He also hunted sex workers in NYC as well as some parts of LI distant from the dump sites.

As for Rifkin, since he was caught with a corpse in the back of his pick up, he was a lot less detail oriented but he too went after sex workers.

Probably not either, IMO. BTW I think Rifkin was one of the two cloaked killers on that Phelp's Dark Minds TV show.

neognosis
07-17-2015, 11:20 PM
I don't think it was the LI serial killer. He dumped his victims in the woods far out on LI, not in dumpsters where they'd be found quickly. He also hunted sex workers in NYC as well as some parts of LI distant from the dump sites.

As for Rifkin, since he was caught with a corpse in the back of his pick up, he was a lot less detail oriented but he too went after sex workers.

Probably not either, IMO. BTW I think Rifkin was one of the two cloaked killers on that Phelp's Dark Minds TV show.

LI may have realized he had to dump in distant dump sites after almost getting caught w suya.