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Hambone2421
04-13-2015, 01:45 PM
If you could solve only one Unsolved Mysteries segment, be it a murder, missing person, UFO sighting, etc., what would it be and why? Keep in mind that by solving your segment, every single question you ever had about it, would be solved as well.

For me, I would choose to solve the Dale Kerstetter segment. Was Dale in on it or was he an innocent victim? Who was the masked intruder? Did Dale know him? Did he work at Corning? What happened to the platinum? What happened to Dale?

Those are all questions that I would love to have answered.

Dave Bocks, Angela Hammond and Eric Tamiyasu were all close seconds.

The Mary Morris segment would also win for me but I know we aren't allowed to talk about that one.

LooksLikeCRicci
04-13-2015, 06:27 PM
Dead heat between the disappearance of Father John Kerrigan and the possible abduction of Nyleen Kay Marshall.

re: Kerrigan
1. Who made the phone call? Was it related to his disappearance?
2. Did his disappearance have anything to do with his previous assignment in Plains, MT?
3. Was this a vigilante style "revenge" killing for some crime the priest committed on one of his parishioners?
4. Why did Kerrigan bring all that money to his car? Why didn't the abductors/killers take it?
5. Did Kerrigan disappear on his own accord? (Long shot but I've always been curious.)
6. Where did his killers place his body?

re: Nyleen
1. Did she succomb to the elements or was she kidnapped?
2. Who sent the letter?
3. Does the letter have anything to do with the case or is it a hoax?
4. IS Nyleen alive today?

Laura77
04-13-2015, 08:12 PM
Dead heat between the disappearance of Father John Kerrigan and the possible abduction of Nyleen Kay Marshall.

re: Kerrigan
1. Who made the phone call? Was it related to his disappearance?
2. Did his disappearance have anything to do with his previous assignment in Plains, MT?
3. Was this a vigilante style "revenge" killing for some crime the priest committed on one of his parishioners?
4. Why did Kerrigan bring all that money to his car? Why didn't the abductors/killers take it?
5. Did Kerrigan disappear on his own accord? (Long shot but I've always been curious.)
6. Where did his killers place his body?

1. The cases of Nyleen Kay Marshall, Dale Kerstetter, Clifford Sherwood, and Tammy Lynn Leppert are the top contenders for me, with the Wackers case a close second.

re: Nyleen
1. Did she succomb to the elements or was she kidnapped?
2. Who sent the letter?
3. Does the letter have anything to do with the case or is it a hoax?
4. IS Nyleen alive today?

Laura77
04-13-2015, 08:32 PM
Crap, forgot to add Joan Gaye Croft to the list!

Jade_Curtiss
04-13-2015, 08:46 PM
Philip Fraiser. I think the "crazy person" who murdered him and impersonated him knew what he was doing, and had probably killed before.

The police sketches of that guy are just down right creepy.

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-13-2015, 09:44 PM
Just one?

Friends to the end. There was a lot of alleged corruptness In this case. Definitely a botched investigation and thankfully the parents fought for their children. I'd like to know what type of scandals if any existed behind the scenes. And most important of all why were the boys killed?

Honorable mention:

Morgan/Johnston/casalaro were they all related? Did casalaro and Morgan commit suicide? What is the octopus?

Darlie routier/Jeff McDonald/Terri McClure/Paul polis/mark Nichols/too many more to list. WHich of these if any were wrongfully accused?? Or are they all sociopathic domestic killers?

Beyond that the tough old cold cases that seemed to never be destined to be solved. Dexter Stefonek Ayleen Conway carol 49er hugs Debbie the road rage possible racist hit run. New Hampshire and ih 70 serial killers. Bowling alley murders the cayedito family Rachael Runyon Keith warren Eric tamyasu Mary Morris Jenny Pratt Matt Flores Annette snee Bobbi oberholtzer and other military lost loves and old cIA cases.

Sorry the topic is one I know I can't make up my mind. I agree with all of the ones that were mentioned above.

MegtheEgg86
04-13-2015, 10:22 PM
If I have to choose only one, Kevin Ives and Don Henry.

WishfulDreamer
04-13-2015, 10:50 PM
So difficult. I think I'll go with Tammy Lynn Leppert, but Amy Billig, Tara Calico, Gordon Page Jr., Angela Hammond, Tara Breckenridge, Amy Bechtel, and Amy Bradley are also ones I desperately wish would be solved.

Missing persons cases tend to stand out most to me. They haunt me a lot, especially thinking about the families. How horrible it must be to have your loved one pretty much vanish into thin air...for decades without any answers.

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-13-2015, 11:35 PM
So difficult. I think I'll go with Tammy Lynn Leppert, but Amy Billig, Tara Calico, Gordon Page Jr., Angela Hammond, Tara Breckenridge, Amy Bechtel, and Amy Bradley are also ones I desperately wish would be solved.

Missing persons cases tend to stand out most to me. They haunt me a lot, especially thinking about the families. How horrible it must be to have your loved one pretty much vanish into thin air...for decades without any answers.
Amy Bradley is a very popular case and like Natalee holloway was before her case was solved they sort of spoke for many missing people. To think of all of the different possibilities it's hard to know what really happened and for the family if they could just have an answer they could have some closure. This being the same concept for all of the missing loved ones as you said.


The more people post the more I'd have to consider changing mine.

Corkys-Place
04-14-2015, 01:15 AM
I really want to know what the story is behind that Polaroid photo of those poor kids bound and gagged.

2pacalypse
04-14-2015, 08:06 AM
The Wackers because it's just too puzzling.

Hambone2421
04-14-2015, 08:28 AM
Missing persons cases tend to stand out most to me. They haunt me a lot, especially thinking about the families. How horrible it must be to have your loved one pretty much vanish into thin air...for decades without any answers.


This is so true. So true. Not knowing is what eats you alive.

Hambone2421
04-14-2015, 08:28 AM
Darlie routier

I'll help you out on this one..... She did it. ;-)

Laura77
04-14-2015, 08:10 PM
So difficult. I think I'll go with Tammy Lynn Leppert, but Amy Billig, Tara Calico, Gordon Page Jr., Angela Hammond, Tara Breckenridge, Amy Bechtel, and Amy Bradley are also ones I desperately wish would be solved.

Missing persons cases tend to stand out most to me. They haunt me a lot, especially thinking about the families. How horrible it must be to have your loved one pretty much vanish into thin air...for decades without any answers.
Would like to know also what happened to all of these people mentioned. Would be interested t find out if Amy Billig was kidnapped by bikers or not.

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-14-2015, 09:14 PM
I'll help you out on this one..... She did it. ;-)
I believe that too. But those final appeal episodes with circumstancial evidence always leave me wondering when a person could have potentially been wrongfully convicted.

Corkys-Place
04-15-2015, 03:02 AM
Another person I really want to see brought to justice is the Original Night Stalker / East Area Rapist.

Jediknight1823
04-15-2015, 04:21 AM
It comes down to two for me. Son of Sam and the disappearance of Cathy Ford.

Son of Sam - Who was working with Berkowitz? And did they kill after the fact?

Cathy Ford - I think Ferrell is innocent. There's a lot that Unsolved left out that's covered in a thread here that makes you think he's innocent. What really happened to her?

Hambone2421
04-15-2015, 08:24 AM
I believe that too. But those final appeal episodes with circumstancial evidence always leave me wondering when a person could have potentially been wrongfully convicted.

I must have missed those. I'll have to check them out. Although with her, anything short of God coming down and saying she's innocent, won't convince me.

rerungirl
04-15-2015, 12:47 PM
So many good ones come to mind, but these were the first ones I thought of:

Amy Billig
A.J. Breaux
Los Cruces Bowling Alley Murders
Unidentified Sumter County Couple
Dana Point, CA Jane Doe

UMFaninMD
04-15-2015, 07:15 PM
Cindy James. I still believe she had may have had some type of dissociative identity disorder where she spaced out and during those times, stalked herself, hurt herself, sent those threatening notes and made that phone call, which sounds like a woman trying to disguise her voice. Then in another episode, she killed herself. But I can't dispute that there may have been an actual stalker who was terrorizing her, which leads to these questions:

What spurred all of this in the first place? The UM segment really didn't address any major changes in her life other than a divorce, and the ex-husband was ruled out.

Who was the man Agnes Woodcock saw the night Cindy's house was set on fire? She came off as pretty credible to me so was it just some guy out for a walk or was he the arsonist?

Did law enforcement have the threatening call analyzed to determine if the caller was male or female?

TheCars1986
04-15-2015, 08:25 PM
Obviously, I'd love to see all of the wanted or murder segments solved. But if I had to chose 1, I'd love to know with 100% certainty who murdered Terri McClure.

MegtheEgg86
04-15-2015, 09:49 PM
A.J. Breaux is another one I'd definitely select. What on earth happened to that man?

neognosis
04-15-2015, 09:56 PM
Dana Point, CA Jane Doe

http://jbrwdi.forumotion.com/t581-is-dana-point-jane-doe-holly-glynn-of-whittier-elementary

BlueGalexy
04-15-2015, 10:55 PM
Like every other poster in this thread, I have a hard time limiting myself to just one. For now I'll go with the Patsy Wright murder. I saw that segment for the first time as a kid when Robert Stack was hosting, and it scared the tar out of me. It put me off of cough medicine for months afterward, lol.

Corkys-Place
04-15-2015, 11:10 PM
A.J. Breaux is another one I'd definitely select. What on earth happened to that man?


I'd completely forgotten about this case. I had to revisit the UM wiki page and read up on it.

Do you believe the supposed sightings of him after he disappeared? Did he in fact fall off the wagon and start drinking again? Who are these 3 men who were seen with him? I can only come to the conclusion that's he's met with foul play.

Hambone2421
04-16-2015, 08:41 AM
I can't remember some of the cases you all are talking about. I hate that the video website took them all down.

soilentgreen
04-16-2015, 11:28 AM
Crap, forgot to add Joan Gaye Croft to the list!

That one has bothered me for years, simply because there was no legitimate reason that the men, who claimed that they were friends of the Croft family, didn't take her to the hospital where her father was and as they claimed that they would do. Unfortunately most of the people who might have had information about who abducted her have probably passed away by now.

Besides that, definitely Su Ya Kim and Judy Smith.

LooksLikeCRicci
04-16-2015, 11:45 AM
Besides that, definitely Su Ya Kim and Judy Smith.


Yes! What in the H*** happened to her?? I forgot about that one.

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-16-2015, 07:38 PM
Like every other poster in this thread, I have a hard time limiting myself to just one. For now I'll go with the Patsy Wright murder. I saw that segment for the first time as a kid when Robert Stack was hosting, and it scared the tar out of me. It put me off of cough medicine for months afterward, lol.
You know that is an interesting one too kind of reminds me of the Jeanne tovrea case although it appears that one was a hired killing. I always wonder where in arlington patsy lived. I know that area real well and have always wondered. It used to be a very nice city.

Hambone2421
07-09-2015, 04:02 PM
The more I've read about the case, the more I'd love to know who killed Chaim Weiss and why.

ThePAKid
07-09-2015, 09:30 PM
Gus Hoffman, his mother's plea for him at the end of the segment is heart wrenching. That poor woman deserves closure. Does anyone know if she is still alive?

DALLASTEXAN!!
07-09-2015, 10:09 PM
Gus Hoffman, his mother's plea for him at the end of the segment is heart wrenching. That poor woman deserves closure. Does anyone know if she is still alive?
Yeah that was a sad case and I'll never forget the first
Time I saw it on lifetime.

DazzlerSparkler
07-09-2015, 11:59 PM
Sharon Kinne obviously. I need to known if she was killed by Mexican gangs or something.

Or Ann Coracelli. Even though statute of limitations ran out I do wonder if shes still around conning people.

alfiechat
07-10-2015, 07:07 AM
I often wonder if Christophe day's father and sister went to France and found out if he was still alive or not. Also, I ditto wanting to solve Chaim Weiss's death.

RobinW
07-10-2015, 10:00 AM
I know the murder of Terri McClure has already been mentioned earlier in this thread, but it would probably be my pick too, simply because Tim McClure's guilt or innocence remains the most hotly debated topic on this board with (IMO) compelling arguments for both sides. The board would probably explode if we ever learned the real truth.

Spark Of Spirit
07-10-2015, 07:02 PM
Tommy Ziegler. There's so much corruption in this case that needs to be flushed out.

LaurierCrimmajor
07-10-2015, 08:45 PM
Outside of the usual suspects, of the really intriguing ones, the "Gabby's Bones" case would be very interesting to get to the bottom of.

Sharron Marshall and her son, Michael Hughes always leaves me upset.

George Reeves, Bobby Fuller, Sonny Liston, all the celebrity ones are pretty interesting.

Jade_Curtiss
07-10-2015, 08:58 PM
D.B. Cooper, but I do believe the guy that "Decoded" located was him.

LaurierCrimmajor
07-10-2015, 09:13 PM
D.B. Cooper, but I do believe the guy that "Decoded" located was him.

What is this "Decoded" show? I'm a huge Dan "DB" Cooper freak and would like to know where I could see this show.

Thiussat
07-10-2015, 11:08 PM
I would want to solve the rainboy segment.

WishfulDreamer
07-10-2015, 11:34 PM
I would want to solve the rainboy segment.
He has powers you don't, man.


:p

Laura77
07-11-2015, 12:32 AM
What is this "Decoded" show? I'm a huge Dan "DB" Cooper freak and would like to know where I could see this show.
The show is Brad Meltzer's Decoded. An episode was devoted to DB Cooper, a woman who believed that her uncle was him.

RobinW
07-11-2015, 12:59 AM
Sharron Marshall and her son, Michael Hughes always leaves me upset.

Not sure if you're aware, but Sharon Marshall was identified last year as the daughter of a woman Floyd was living with during the 1970s before he abducted her. Michael Hughes has still never been found, but it seems certain that he's dead. There's also a strange new unsolved-mystery-within-a-mystery as Sharon had a brother who was abducted alongside her by Floyd, but he's apparently never been found.

LaurierCrimmajor
07-11-2015, 10:31 AM
Not sure if you're aware, but Sharon Marshall was identified last year as the daughter of a woman Floyd was living with during the 1970s before he abducted her. Michael Hughes has still never been found, but it seems certain that he's dead. There's also a strange new unsolved-mystery-within-a-mystery as Sharon had a brother who was abducted alongside her by Floyd, but he's apparently never been found.

I'd read something about the identification but didn't really find many details. The added mystery of her brother though was something I think I read in the same article. Thanks for the info :)

LaurierCrimmajor
07-11-2015, 10:31 AM
The show is Brad Meltzer's Decoded. An episode was devoted to DB Cooper, a woman who believed that her uncle was him.
Thanks for the info, I found it last night, really interesting show.

Jade_Curtiss
07-11-2015, 03:29 PM
Thanks for the info, I found it last night, really interesting show.

Someone beat me to replying. :)

But yeah, let me know what you think. I was pretty much convinced after watching that Kenny C was DB Cooper.

LaurierCrimmajor
07-11-2015, 09:13 PM
Someone beat me to replying. :)

But yeah, let me know what you think. I was pretty much convinced after watching that Kenny C was DB Cooper.

Yes, I think they make a really compelling argument and there were some pretty interesting similarities. I hit up the Wiki page all the time to see if there's some new suspect and think I've previously disregarded him because of what the FBI's officially said, but when you see the hidey-hole in the attic and the other circumstantial stuff, it's fascinating and promising. The "best friend" interview was so cool to watch because it felt like one of those interviews PD's do when they catch someone in a lie/fib and everybody in the room knows there's more truth whether spoken or not.

My one major hang-up about putting more faith into Christiansen as DB/Dan is the money trail, as I just don't know how he could expend the funds he did(best friend's sister a house, his own house) without the marked money getting dinged by the feds somehow, especially if he was, at one point, some level of a suspect.

Obviously there are several ways to launder money, but that'd be opening up the secret to more individuals, and individuals who might be a bit shady and wouldn't that money eventually pop up somewhere and be traced? The best secrets, like DB/Dan Cooper, are kept secret because they're held so close to the vest....I dunno, feels like if the fed found the bills the kid found on vacation on the beach with his family, they'd find others in circulation. Unless they didn't have time to scan all of the bills, but I don't remember that being the case, I always mix the money trail in this situation with the third season's money laundering on "The Shield" lol.

Awsi Dooger
07-12-2015, 04:42 AM
Sorry but I have to laugh at every DB Cooper theory other than the obvious truth. It's amazing how many people have been suckered by all the irrelevant minutiae regarding that case, to the point it's become a cottage industry devoted to the latest wacko suspect, worthy of yet another wacko book or film or website, not unlike Jack the Ripper for more than a century. I should start offering Whoppers for DB Cooper just like Adam Emery.

Somehow that 19th century Ripper case is closer to logical resolution than a very simple matter from the early 1970s. But that's the residue when so many people brutally flunk basic probability, and have such a stake in the matter they fearfully refuse to allow the Richard Floyd McCoy specifics to even make it to the related Wikipedia pages. Longtime posters on this forum will remember that when I was posting the McCoy material in a lengthy thread here the same opposition arose, including one guy who made up an interview he supposedly had with a supposed Cooper expert. That fantasy interview was designed to do nothing other than to regurgitate word for word the poster's own view, while passing it off as sourced from an authority. It would have been pathetic if it weren't so predictable and recognizable. The McCoy doubters will go to any length to denounce the connection, including refusal to mention the bizarre wee hour drive he took on the very morning of the Cooper event. They want to wipe than out as if it never happened, while relying on garbage like FBI claims that McCoy was either in Provo or Los Angeles on that day.

As I emphasized recently, skyjackers are an ultra rare subset. It's hardly like rejecting one guy as murderer and moving on to another suspect. With skyjackers you almost can't put enough zeros after the decibel point to find a true evaluation of what percentage of people were capable. The FBI laughably has no grasp of that concept. Well, at least the FBI crew who seized control of that investigation. There were some sharp cookies at the outset, before they were drowned out. The sharp guys were responsible for the Real McCoy book, along with an episode of "FBI, The Untold Stories" and also that 2-hour documentary on the Discovery Channel in the late '90s. Notice that the documentary never makes the airwaves anymore. It's as if the FBI guys who control the push of that investigation have wiped that episode from the playlist.

This would be such a simple wager it's scary.

Dazinho
07-12-2015, 09:31 AM
McClure - to know the absolute truth, the extent of Tim's involvement and/or prior knowledge of the crime if any. I eventually came to the view that Tim wasn't the shooter, but knew in advance of the crime that it was going to happen.

Honourable mentions to Cindy, whose case I've never come close to being sure on (part of me thinks the divorce hit her hard and she cultivated this herself as a 'cry for help' but hey), Henry and Ives and the Caylors' case.

LaurierCrimmajor
07-12-2015, 03:56 PM
Sorry but I have to laugh at every DB Cooper theory other than the obvious truth. It's amazing how many people have been suckered by all the irrelevant minutiae regarding that case, to the point it's become a cottage industry devoted to the latest wacko suspect, worthy of yet another wacko book or film or website, not unlike Jack the Ripper for more than a century. I should start offering Whoppers for DB Cooper just like Adam Emery.

Somehow that 19th century Ripper case is closer to logical resolution than a very simple matter from the early 1970s. But that's the residue when so many people brutally flunk basic probability, and have such a stake in the matter they fearfully refuse to allow the Richard Floyd McCoy specifics to even make it to the related Wikipedia pages. Longtime posters on this forum will remember that when I was posting the McCoy material in a lengthy thread here the same opposition arose, including one guy who made up an interview he supposedly had with a supposed Cooper expert. That fantasy interview was designed to do nothing other than to regurgitate word for word the poster's own view, while passing it off as sourced from an authority. It would have been pathetic if it weren't so predictable and recognizable. The McCoy doubters will go to any length to denounce the connection, including refusal to mention the bizarre wee hour drive he took on the very morning of the Cooper event. They want to wipe than out as if it never happened, while relying on garbage like FBI claims that McCoy was either in Provo or Los Angeles on that day.

As I emphasized recently, skyjackers are an ultra rare subset. It's hardly like rejecting one guy as murderer and moving on to another suspect. With skyjackers you almost can't put enough zeros after the decibel point to find a true evaluation of what percentage of people were capable. The FBI laughably has no grasp of that concept. Well, at least the FBI crew who seized control of that investigation. There were some sharp cookies at the outset, before they were drowned out. The sharp guys were responsible for the Real McCoy book, along with an episode of "FBI, The Untold Stories" and also that 2-hour documentary on the Discovery Channel in the late '90s. Notice that the documentary never makes the airwaves anymore. It's as if the FBI guys who control the push of that investigation have wiped that episode from the playlist.

This would be such a simple wager it's scary.

Curious, two quick questions:

1. When you say, "the obvious truth" about Cooper, that's that he didn't make it out of the forest live and died? Or is it something else?

2. Whenever I read about McCoy, who I've always been very interested in, especially that line from the fed to the extent that "when I shot McCoy, I shot DB Copper", there always seems to be a lot of the same detractions mentioned.

I agree that it's something of a cottage industry, but as somebody who loves summer reading at the cottage, I'm cool with it lol, as I love the folklore and treat the whole thing as fun and fantastical. I mean, my fiancee likes when I talk about Cooper more than Dahlia or Zodiac, as it's more lighter material.

It's funny, in undergrad, we spent some time talking about "Ripperologists" and the like, and the various theories in our forensics class and I think more than anything, while there might be a lack of credibility in the substance of these books and some exploitation of the subject matter, there's something akin the "I Want To Believe" that always brings me back and interested in the theories. Not to say I buy in and buy the books(Ripper/Dahlia/Zodiac etc), but it's always fun and intriguing, especially trying to vett the sources.

WishfulDreamer
07-12-2015, 08:15 PM
Lisa Ziegert's murder is so heartbreaking. Of course all of the homicides on the show are upsetting, but this one sticks out in my mind a lot. She was so beloved by all who knew her and made a great impact on her students and colleagues. You can bet all of her students grew up a lot faster after that happened.

I hope that someday the murderer will be brought to justice.

Hockeygirl
07-13-2015, 12:10 AM
Like many of you on here, I'm having a hard time narrowing it down to just one. The cases are the ones that stick out to me. Any of them will be fine with me.

Angela Hammond. (This case made me terrified of using payphones.) I can't imagine hearing her screams knowing those would be the last words you ever hear from her.

Kurt Sova. How someone can go on with their life knowing the know something about his murder is just beyond me. Somebody at the party knows what happen, I wish they would speak up.

Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman. Tragic story. The cops definitely have something to do with this.

Cindy James. That poor woman. I have someone close to me suffering from mental illness. I wish the cops took her more seriously. Sadly I think this is one of those cases that will sadly never be solved.

Tupac Shakur. A gifted artist. Yes he did have his problems, but I believe he was a good person who was taken too soon.

Awsi Dooger
07-13-2015, 04:07 PM
What is it worth? That's not a dilemma in daily life because generally we know what it's worth. Black Friday would not be a big deal if we didn't understand standard pricing of item after item, and suddenly are treated with rates far below the norm.

Bring somebody out of a 40 year coma and Black Friday won't mean a darn thing. Not only wouldn't he recognize the term or the practice, but the pricing would seem wildly high, not unusually low.

In the DB Cooper case, the fact that Richard Floyd McCoy pulled off a nearly identical crime months later, combined with that bizarre and otherwise unexplainable drive he took on the morning of the Cooper event, is worth exponentially more than all the reasons hoisted to exclude McCoy.

That's simply reality. The two variables are worth more than eyewitness accounts or supposed physical evidence or any of the exhaustive studies devoted to this case.

FBI people were involved who should not have been involved. Just because they carry that FBI tag doesn't mean they carry basic competence in regard to evaluating variables and probability.

For decades we've heard speculation that Cooper died during the jump, including from FBI folks. That in itself is a butchering of, "What is it worth?" A parachute is designed for one purpose and executes it very well, with amazing percentage. A storm in the sky is not worth enough to make a fatal outcome even a low (3-6%) level possibility, although certainly above the norm in ideal conditions.

Admittedly, I'm annoyed at the poor grasp of probability and worth on site after site and issue after issue. It was one aspect that startled me once I became fluent on the internet in the late '90s. In my world of choice since the mid '80s -- Las Vegas sportsbooks -- you are more or less forced to understand raw probability on a daily basis, or fail miserably. The level of debate in those settings is far above what I experience elsewhere, and certainly superior to what the FBI generally demonstrates. I often stay away from football and golf message boards for long stretches when the debate turns to statistics, specifically ones I have specialized in for more than 30 years. I often introduce a statistic and make some claim regarding its value. I know the worth because I've studied and applied it for decades. Hundreds of Excel workbooks. But since the generic sports media is either ignorant or reluctant toward those statistical categories, the posters on those forums are determined to debate the worth, including the hysterical assertion that there's really not much difference between 7.0 yards per pass attempt and 7.5 per attempt. What's that, 18 inches and you want me to care? I actually encounter that type of denial. After a while it's not worth it to continue the debate. They have subjective Happy Adjusting standards in place and will never let go. Those posters are the same type who apply overboard emphasis to the exception as opposed to the rule.

Kirk007Anthony
07-13-2015, 11:05 PM
RAF Bentwaters, And Socorro UFO. Prob seem out there. But they're fascinating. Oh And Anthonette Cayedito