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neognosis
03-03-2015, 01:00 AM
this is Unsolved Mysteries. if you haven't seen Unsolved Mysteries or care about Unsolved Mysteries, perhaps you do not belong here.

Case File: Bigfoot
Location: Green Mountain Falls, Colorado; Oregon; Seattle, Washington
Date: 1993
Description: Bigfoot is a mysterious ape-like creature described as tall, and hairy with large feet. Witnesses describe it similar to a large ape.
Bigfoot1

Bigfoot
Case

History: Bigfoot is a mysterious creature that has been sighted thousands of times throughout the world but specifically located to the Pacific Northwest. Some sightings have occurred in Colorado. In Green Mountain Falls, Colorado, an unknown creature, believed to be a Bigfoot, broke into a cabin and left several hairs behind and footprints near the house. Other sightings of Bigfoot have occurred in the Pacific Northwest. An Army National Guard sergeant named Todd Neiss claimed that in 1993, he saw three bigfoot-type creatures in Oregon. A prospector named Elmer Frombach was in a forest near Seattle, Washington, when a black hairy mass, which he believed was Bigfoot, began chasing him. Elmer was able to barely escape from the creature. However, some skeptics aren't convinced and want to see real proof of a Bigfoot. No one is certain if Bigfoot is real or not, but it is now one of the most famous legends in the world.
Bigfoot2 footprint

Alleged Bigfoot Footprint

Background: None
Investigations: Peter Byrne is the head of the Oregon-based Bigfoot Research Project has been investigating photographs, footprint molds, and eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot in Oregon for years.
Extra Notes: This case was featured twice in two different segments; the Colorado Bigfoot case was featured as a part of the February 15, 1989 episode; the Northwest Bigfoot case was featured as a part of the May 25, 1994 episode.
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Actual Photograph of a Yeti

Case File: Yeti
Location: The Himalayas
Date: 1951
Description: The Yeti or Abominable Snowman is an average sized ape-like humanoid with thick hair over his body.
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History: The Yeti or Abominable Snowman as he is known in the west is one of the most famous cryptozoological animals in the world, seconded by only Bigfoot and Nessie. However to the Sherpas, the Yeti has always been a very real and very alive creature. Since 1951 when the first physical evidence of this animal becan coming out of the Himalayas, several Western explorers have found convincing evidence that the Sherpas may be right. Expeditions into the Himalayas have uncovered mystifying stories of strange human-like creatures who live in the region. In 1951, Eric Shipton, a world-famous mountaineer, came across a curious set of tracks. One footprint was 13 inches long and 8 inches wide. It didn't look like it was made by a man or an ape. Loren Coleman is an expert on cryptozoological animals; he comments that the Shipton footprint is "a very big peice of evidence because it showed toes, individual toes. It showed a squat, square footprint, which a lot of the other expeditions had found." Unfortunately, he adds, Shipton did not have very good photographic equipment with them for better detailed images.
Yeti4 footprint

Yeti Footprint

In 1957, a Texas oilman named Tom Slick and explorer Peter Byrne set off for the Arun Valley in northeastern Nepal in search of Yeti. Byrne believed that since the Sherpas knew the Yeti was a real animal that it had to be real. They called him "hairy man" that lived separate from them. Shown 8x10 pictures of a chimpanzee, a gorilla, primitive man and other humanoids, the Sherpas would always point to the primitive man and declare that that was the Yeti. They described the Yeti as being man-like in form, and about 5-foot-6, 5-foot-7, 5-foot-8 and totally covered with hair. The face would be bare of hair, and it walked fully erect. In another part of the valley, Tom Slick and his Sherpa guides discovered a set of tracks in mud, which were unique because they knew melting and shifting anow could alter tracks. They measured 10 inches long and 7 inches wide. According to anthropologist Dr. George Agogino, it was similar to the footprint discovered by Eric Shipton six years earlier. Byrne took another trip to the area in February of 1958 and met a Buddhist monk who knew of a Yeti hand preserved in a nearby temple. It was the size of a human hand, cut off at the wrist. Peter took photos of it since the lama would not allow it to leave the temple; scientists had never seen anything like these before. The next year, Peter Byrne returned to the monastery with a bottle of Scotch for the monk and an outrageous plan to cut a finger off and rplace it with a fake. As he recalled: "It took quite a long time to wire the whole thing together and put it all back together and put it back in the box, and nobody ever knew anything about it. Everything, everybody, actually was perfectly happy. They still had the hand, and it still had its fingers." The finger was brought back to London and sent to Dr. George Agogino who shared it with twenty experts who were about equally divided over whether it was human or whether it was some type of primate known or unknown. Meanwhile, Dr. Agogino put a tissue sample from the bone fragment in an envelope in his desk, and it remained there for more than thirty years. When Unsolved Mysteries learned of the bone fragment in Dr. Agogino's desk drawer, they had the University of California to analyze it. The results were inconclusive, but seemed to indicate that the tissue probably came from a human hand. Dr. Jerry Lowenstein, Professor of Nuclear Medicine analyzed the fragment, but came to realize that any result would still neither confirm or deny the Yeti's existence. Meanwhile, Yeti reports continued. A photographer named Kurt Fritler at a campsite at 16,500 feet in the Himalayas heard a very loud piercing call from the night. He claimed it moved around and circled his campsite, getting closer and farther away from him. Reinhold Messner says he got a good look at the creature from about thirty feet away. He called it "quite hairy and strong with short legs. The body was quite dark, dark brown, black hair, long, long hairs."
Background: None
Investigations: None
Extra Notes: This case originally ran on the February 12, 1992 episode. The Yeti has also been featured on "Sightings," "Destination Truth" and "Monster Quest."
Results: Unresolved. In December of 2011, DNA testing was done on the bone fragment that Peter Byrne took. The tests confirmed that the bone was actually from a human, not from a Yeti. Still, many believe that the Yeti is a real creature.
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there's also the david paulides bigfoot theory that missing persons in the forest were abducted killed and eaten by a hungry bigfoot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paulides

David Paulides is a writer, researcher, and investigative journalist notable primarily for his authorship on missing people: the subject of mysterious disappearances in national parks. Paulides has drawn significant national attention and has been featured on numerous radio shows as well as television interviews and prime time newscasts.[1]

Authorship
Bigfoot/Sasquatch

Once Paulides retired from high-tech, he pursued the topic of Bigfoot for several years, creating the Bigfoot research group titled, "North America Bigfoot Search", publishing two books, and sponsoring the publishing a white paper on the subject. His two books were so well-documented and researched that many people in the field of cryptozoology have called his books the new standard for crypto-research.[6] Paulides had everyone included in the study sign an affidavit before interviewing them, something no other group in the field practices. This means that the person giving the testimony could be convicted of perjury if they are found to be lying.[7]

Paulides' white paper analyzed one hundred eleven samples of hypothesized Bigfoot DNA evidence and was published in the Journal of Advanced Zoological Exploration in Zoology. The white paper is affiliated with and authored by eleven different scientists from nine different research organizations, including the Texas A&M Department University of Biology, Biochemistry, and Biophysics, the Helix Biological Laboratory in Detroit, the Center for Human Identification at the University of North Texas, and numerous other peer-reviewed research facilities.[8] In an interview with Coast to Coast AM host George Knapp, Paulides stated that the goal of his organization was to prove that the biped exists, and he feels they have done so; as such, he has moved on from the Bigfoot world to newer projects.[citation needed]
Missing 411

Paulides' current project is Missing 411, a series of non-fiction books documenting unsolved cases of disappearing people in national parks. The website for the Missing 411 work is www.canammissing.com. His work on this subject began when he was doing research in a national park when an off-duty park ranger found him and expressed concern about the questionable nature of some of the disappearing persons cases which occur in the parks. The rangers knew Paulides' background and requested that he research into it and see if he could find any leads. Paulides obliged, and since then has uncovered multiple lines of evidence to suggest negligence on behalf of the park service in keeping track of their missing people, and a continuous series of disappearances from all across the U.S., and even other parts of the world, that seem to defy all logical and conventional explanations.[9][10][11][12]

Currently, Paulides has written four books on the topic of missing people who disappear under an odd set of criteria in National Parks and wilderness areas. According to his most recent book, The Devil's in the Detail, his group does not yet have a theory on what is causing the disappearances, although their field of suspects is narrowing. He advises that readers go outside of their normal comfort zone in trying to nail down who or what the culprit is.[13][14]

my own theory is when children go missing from their homes, a paranormal entity abducts them. so its related to David Paulides.


finding bigfoot had 7 some seasons of bigfoot. then there's the $10 million bigfoot bounty. on youtube there are many clips of bigfoot.

the peterson-gimlin film probably could not be faked.

do you think bigfoot is a flesh and blood animal or a paranormal entity? i wonder if it is sending a message, like respect nature. respect the forests. don't cut down or log the forests. bigfoot and yeti come from a time before there were people on earth.


if you have a bigfoot story please tell.

serious answers only please. No trolls. you know who you are.

if you are a troll, instead of trolling, why not just talk about bigfoot and UM episodes re bigfoot/yeti. ever seen the patterson gimlin film?

James T
03-03-2015, 02:36 AM
http://static.squarespace.com/static/522a2049e4b0a0ce717e990c/t/54067b3ae4b0a806a01e7863/1409710918462

Cori aka ChrisSCrush
03-03-2015, 04:36 AM
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/big-foot-reigning-hide-and-seek-world-champion-2.jpg

You really need an option which says I could go either way because I could go either way. There's enough evidence to suggest something is going on, and yet people discover extinct fossils going back millions of years and frozen animals which died over 10,000 years ago and haven't come up with one whole body?

http://d2ws0xxnnorfdo.cloudfront.net/meme/389141

Necco
03-03-2015, 12:01 PM
this is Unsolved Mysteries. if you haven't seen Unsolved Mysteries or care about Unsolved Mysteries, perhaps you do not belong here.


serious answers only please. No trolls. you know who you are.

if you are a troll, instead of trolling, why not just talk about bigfoot and UM episodes re bigfoot/yeti. ever seen the patterson gimlin film?


Who died and made you a moderator?


As for bigfoot, I'm pretty sure I went to college with one. Size 15 sneakers. Walked with rounded shoulders. Played a decent guitar though.

LooksLikeCRicci
03-03-2015, 12:51 PM
http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/you-act-as-though-im-the-crazy-one-yet-somehow-your-condescending-attitude-amuses-me.jpg

LooksLikeCRicci
03-03-2015, 12:51 PM
James T, what the hell is going on in that wrestling gif? :)

James T
03-03-2015, 03:03 PM
James T, what the hell is going on in that wrestling gif? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixb_w1AZI80

neognosis
03-03-2015, 05:01 PM
You really need an option which says I could go either way because I could go either way. There's enough evidence to suggest something is going on, and yet people discover extinct fossils going back millions of years and frozen animals which died over 10,000 years ago and haven't come up with one whole body?



they found Yeti bones in Asia. Its called gigantopithecus blacki

Zoneboy
03-03-2015, 05:10 PM
Yf4sLJi-dIM

TheCars1986
03-03-2015, 05:21 PM
No

MegtheEgg86
03-03-2015, 11:22 PM
i wonder if it is sending a message, like respect nature. respect the forests. don't cut down or log the forests.

I think the message Bigfoot is trying to send is that this thread needs more wrestling gifs.

neognosis
03-03-2015, 11:52 PM
I think the message Bigfoot is trying to send is that this thread needs more wrestling gifs.

bigfoot loves eggs. yum.

neognosis
03-03-2015, 11:53 PM
Who died and made you a moderator?

.

bigfoot :crazy: :crazy:

neognosis
03-03-2015, 11:53 PM
UM did not mention this but there's the Yowie from Down Under.

MegtheEgg86
03-03-2015, 11:58 PM
bigfoot loves eggs. yum.

Bigfoot and I have that in common.

neognosis
03-04-2015, 12:14 AM
Bigfoot and I have that in common.

that's 3 of us. i like eggs in combination fried rice :lol:


so whats ur thoughts on bf?

wiseguy182
03-04-2015, 07:24 AM
my own theory is when children go missing from their homes, a paranormal entity abducts them.

I think your brains were abducted by a paranormal entity.

here_thar_be_yetis
03-04-2015, 10:53 AM
/oAjBZqhxuOs

justins5256
03-04-2015, 12:07 PM
Actually, it is a little known fact that Bigfoot exists.

I first encountered one about 7 years ago when I was hiking in the Foothills in North Carolina. I took the following photograph. I swear on everything I hold sacred that this is NOT a hoax...

MegtheEgg86
03-04-2015, 04:10 PM
so whats ur thoughts on bf?

None. I just came here for the inevitable gifs and memes.

neognosis
03-04-2015, 04:34 PM
Actually, it is a little known fact that Bigfoot exists.

I first encountered one about 7 years ago when I was hiking in the Foothills in North Carolina. I took the following photograph. I swear on everything I hold sacred that this is NOT a hoax...

nice pic

neognosis
03-04-2015, 04:35 PM
None. I just came here for the inevitable gifs and memes.

no thoughts when UM featured bigfoot/yeti?

i was thinking, i think these things are real :crazy:

Corkys-Place
03-07-2015, 02:49 AM
I just find it odd in this day and age when digital cameras are attached to just about everything, no one has produced a REAL clear photo of any of these so called creatures. The same thing can apply to UFO's. Whenever someone shows supposed footage or just a picture it's all blurry, underexposed etc.

TheCars1986
03-07-2015, 08:55 AM
I just find it odd in this day and age when digital cameras are attached to just about everything, no one has produced a REAL clear photo of any of these so called creatures. The same thing can apply to UFO's. Whenever someone shows supposed footage or just a picture it's all blurry, underexposed etc.

This.

neognosis
03-07-2015, 09:05 PM
I just find it odd in this day and age when digital cameras are attached to just about everything, no one has produced a REAL clear photo of any of these so called creatures. The same thing can apply to UFO's. Whenever someone shows supposed footage or just a picture it's all blurry, underexposed etc.

there are plenty of good photos and videos, go to youtube and type in bigfoot.

the problem is that they are explained away as hoaxes.

neognosis
03-07-2015, 09:05 PM
This.

ever seen the clips on utube?

MegtheEgg86
03-07-2015, 09:23 PM
Well, you know what they say..

neognosis
03-07-2015, 10:15 PM
Well, you know what they say..

if u watch Unsolved Mysteries ud know that Unsolved Mysteries features eye witness as well, on bf and other Unexplained :crazy:

LooksLikeCRicci
03-09-2015, 06:43 PM
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/27/2716a8c734c76f3307810ea5b117935ca04484ceb2a5132e2938f5354646943d.jpg

*drops mic*

neognosis
03-10-2015, 04:58 PM
None. I just came here for the inevitable gifs and memes.

ur not here for Unsolved Mysteries :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

MegtheEgg86
03-10-2015, 05:31 PM
ur not here for Unsolved Mysteries :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

I'm not really interested in the paranormal stories, no. I'm REALLY not interested in bat**** theories about ghosts making children disappear, but the collective response to such nonsense is admittedly rather entertaining.

James T
03-10-2015, 05:34 PM
When do we get a Were The Wackers Victims of A Ghost thread?

justins5256
03-10-2015, 07:18 PM
When do we get a Were The Wackers Victims of A Ghost thread?

About as plausible as the hoax theory.

neognosis
03-10-2015, 07:22 PM
I'm not really interested in the paranormal stories, no. I'm REALLY not interested in bat**** theories about ghosts making children disappear, but the collective response to such nonsense is admittedly rather entertaining.

ohhh. what u like :confused:

neognosis
03-10-2015, 08:35 PM
When do we get a Were The Wackers Victims of A Ghost thread?

oh yeah i remember that. maybe! or it was a hallucination. or combination of prankster with 1 random attack by another person unrelated to prankster.

neognosis
03-10-2015, 08:36 PM
About as plausible as the hoax theory.

u think they were stalked? :confused: :confused:

justins5256
03-10-2015, 11:01 PM
u think they were stalked? :confused: :confused:

Yes, by the same invisible paranormal entities that abduct children.

neognosis
03-10-2015, 11:17 PM
Yes, by the same invisible paranormal entities that abduct children.

for the record i think we should always look for sensible explanations, and only when they have been exhausted, should we consider paranormal possibilities.

so yes most BF are probably hoaxes, guys in gorrilla suits, pranks misidentification of bears but i do think some might be genuine. same with UFOs. same with missing planes, maybe some like flight 19 did fly into a vortex, wormhole.

some children disappearance is so mysterious, with no witnesses, like diane provost, i do consider paranormal.

diane provost, if her parents are telling the truth, literally disappeared in thin air, she literally vanished.


What Happened

It was Saturday, September 17, 1966 at a Grundy Provincial Park camp site, where a family with four children and their grand-parents were camping.



The father, Bernard, 25, his father, Adolias and Claude, 4, enjoyed fishing at the dock. The mother, Claire, and Therese, the grand-mother, would usually go to water´s edge and watch Joanne, 5, and Lise, 3, play in the water. The youngest child, Diane 2, was afraid of the water and she wouldn´t go near the lake. The family would go camping at Grundy on a regular basis. They went almost every weekend.



On this Saturday in September, Bernard and Claire decided to bring the four kids to the beach while Bernard fished on the dock. Adolias and Therese decided to take a nap while the rest of the family was down at the beach. Bernard was on the dock fishing. Claire, Joanne, Claude and Lise were looking for frogs on the shore and Diane was playing in the sand. Diane wanted to return to the campsite to be with her memere and pepere. Bernard said he would bring her back as soon as he got the line untangled. He turned around a few minutes later and Diane was no longer playing in the sand. Thinking that she had returned to the trailer, which was parked 500 ft away, Claire ran back to the trailer. Claire returned in a panic because Diane was not at the campsite. Bernard, Adolias, Claire and Therese started looking for her. They looked for about one hour thinking that she had just wandered off. They then decided to call the Ontario Provincial Police (O.P.P.) when they couldn´t find her.



The parents were scared that they wouldn´t find their baby before dark. Bernard wanted the police to call the USA and Canadian borders to advise them of his missing daughter but the police said they would find her in the park. The park was officially closed but people could still camp. The Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) would come by at night to collect the camping fees. The gates to the park were left open. The police started looking, but to no avail. Night fall arrived and Bernard told the police to close the gate of the park so that no cars could go in or out of the park during the night. The police would not agree. They didn´t want to close the gates. Both Bernard and Claire were devastated that their little girl was not found before night fall. How hopeless they felt. How could a two year old baby survive the night in the woods at night? All through the night the father and grand-father drove around the park looking for her. They yelled and shouted Diane´s name but they didn´t find her. They just wouldn´t give up looking for her.



The next day the O.P.P. brought in divers to search the lake. The father kept telling them to search the park, Diane was afraid of the water and would not go near it. Still Diane was not found. The police dragged the lake and no body was found. The news was out that a child was missing in Grundy Provincial Park. This was the first missing child case in Sudbury district. It attracted a lot of media attention. People from Sudbury, Noelville, Britt and Parry Sound came to help with the search party. The Prevost family was well known in the town of Noelville where they were born and raised. Bernard and Claire lived in Blezard Valley and Bernard worked at Inco as a miner.



The police kept the search party at Grundy Park for four weeks. They didn´t find Diane. Bernard and Claire would not give up. They wouldn´t give up hope of finding their daughter.



Two years later bones were found in an outdoor toilet at Grundy Provincial Park. The media covered the story claiming it was Diane Prevost that was found. Forensic testing revealed that it was bones from a dog and not a human.

http://www.dianeprevost.info/images/dianne1.jpg

To this day the family has not given up hope that one day their daughter will come home to them.

Cori aka ChrisSCrush
03-11-2015, 01:23 AM
Another longterm wilderness missing child case but no evidence that Bigfoot, aliens, or ghosts got him. http://www.wbir.com/story/news/local/2014/05/22/dennis-martin-missing-45-years/9405607/

neognosis
03-11-2015, 01:55 AM
Another longterm wilderness missing child case but no evidence that Bigfoot, aliens, or ghosts got him. http://www.wbir.com/story/news/local/2014/05/22/dennis-martin-missing-45-years/9405607/

um, if we rule out normal explanations what are we left with :)

this makes me come alive
there is the bennington triangle

Bennington Triangle
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Bennington Triangle" is a phrase coined by New England author Joseph A. Citro during a public radio broadcast in 1992 to denote an area of southwestern Vermont within which a number of people went missing between 1920 and 1950.[1] This was further popularized in two books, including Shadow Child, in which he devoted chapters to discussion of these disappearances and various items of folklore surrounding the area. According to Citro the area shares characteristics with the Bridgewater Triangle in neighboring Massachusetts.

Precisely what area is encompassed in this hypothetical "mystery triangle" is not clear, but it is purportedly centered on Glastenbury Mountain and would include some or most of the area of the towns immediately surrounding it, especially Bennington, Woodford, Shaftsbury, and Somerset. Glastenbury and its neighboring township Somerset were both once moderately thriving logging and industrial towns, but began declining toward the late 19th century and are now essentially ghost towns, unincorporated by an act of the state legislature in 1937.

According to Citro's books, stories of strange happenings had been told about Glastenbury and the surrounding area for many years prior to the disappearances in the 1940s, the best-known of which is probably that of Paula Jean Welden.

Contents

1 Reported Disappearances
1.1 Middie Rivers (1945)
1.2 Paula Welden (1946)
1.3 James Tedford (1949)
1.4 Paul Jepson (1950)
1.5 Frieda Langer (1950)
2 In Popular Culture
3 References
4 External references

Reported Disappearances
Middie Rivers (1945)

Between 1945 and 1950 five people disappeared in the Bennington area. The first occurred on November 12, 1945 when 74-year-old Middie Rivers disappeared while out hunting. Rivers was guiding a group of four hunters up the mountains. On the way back Rivers got ahead of the rest of the group and was never seen again. An extensive search was conducted and the only evidence found was a single rifle cartridge that was found in a stream. The speculation was that Rivers had leaned over and the cartridge had dropped out of his pocket into the water. The disappearance had occurred in the Long Trail Road area and Vermont Route 9. Rivers was an experienced hunter and fisherman and was familiar with the local area.[2][3]
Paula Welden (1946)

Paula Welden, 18, disappeared about a year later on December 1, 1946. Welden was a sophomore at Bennington College. She had set out for a hike on the Long Trail. Many saw her go, including Ernest Whitman, a Bennington Banner employee who gave her directions. She was alleged to have been seen on the trail itself by an elderly couple who were about 100 yards (91 m) behind her. According to them, she turned a corner in the trail, and when they reached the same corner, she had disappeared.[3] When Welden never returned to her college an extensive search was conducted which included the posting of a $5,000 reward and help from the FBI, however, no evidence of her was ever found.[3] Unconfirmed rumors speculated that she had moved to Canada with a boyfriend or that she become a recluse living in the mountains.[4]
James Tedford (1949)

The third occurrence took place when a veteran James E. Tedford (also spelled as Teford or Tetford) disappeared on December 1, 1949, exactly three years after Paula Welden had disappeared. Tedford was a resident of the Bennington Soldiers' Home. He had been in St. Albans visiting relatives. He was returning home on the local bus when he vanished. According to witnesses, Tedford got on the bus and was still on the bus at the last stop before arriving in Bennington. Somewhere between the last stop and Bennington, Tedford vanished. His belongings were still in the luggage rack and an open bus timetable was on his vacant seat.[3][4]
Paul Jepson (1950)

The fourth person to vanish was eight-year-old Paul Jepson. On October 12, 1950, Jepson had accompanied his mother in a truck. She left her son unattended while she fed some pigs. His mother was gone for about an hour. When she returned her son was nowhere in sight. Search parties were formed to look for the child. Nothing was ever found, though Jepson was wearing a bright red jacket that should have made him more visible.[3] According to one story, bloodhounds tracked the boy to a local highway, where, according to local legend, four years earlier Paula Welden had disappeared.[3]

Paula Jean Welden (born 1928, missing since December 1, 1946) was a Bennington College, Vermont, USA, sophomore whose disappearance while walking on Vermont's Long Trail hiking route remains an unsolved mystery.[1][2]

Contents

1 Background
2 Bennington College
3 The Long Trail
4 The search
5 Connecticut State Police investigation
6 Aftermath
7 Other cases
8 In literature
9 References

Background

Paula Welden was the eldest of four daughters of the well-known industrial engineer, architect and designer William Archibald Welden (1900–1970) and his wife Jean Douglas (b at Mount Kisco, New York, 1901–d. at Venice, Florida, 1976), née Wilson, of Brookdale Road, Stamford, Connecticut. Employed by the Revere Copper and Brass Company, W. Archibald Welden was the designer of many familiar household utensils, as well as stylish cocktail shakers and other objects.[3] Paula was a 1945 graduate of Stamford High School.[4]
Bennington College

In 1946, Welden was a sophomore at Bennington College in North Bennington, Vermont. Her college dormitory was Dewey House, one of the older dormitories on the college grounds, and which remains to this day. She was an art major but, dissatisfied with the faculty and her progress, was contemplating changing her major; she had discovered a newfound love of botany. Welden was a typical student who was sorting out her own interests from those of her parents and was trying to expand her circle of friends. She and her roommate were quite close and both realized how dependent they were on one another for a social life. Paula started to befriend other students and became involved in square dancing and hiking with groups of friends from Bennington College and Williams College in Williamstown, Massachusetts.

Welden worked part-time at the dining hall in The Commons on campus and worked the lunch shift on Sunday December 1. She decided to find and walk a portion of the Long Trail, a few miles from the campus. Paula knew of the famous trail but hadn't yet had an opportunity to hike it. She tried to get some other students to join her that day, but they were busy. Paula went by herself.[5]
The Long Trail

After finishing her shift in the dining hall, Welden returned to her room and changed into walking clothes. Her clothing was adequate for the weather that afternoon but not for the anticipated drop in temperature that night. She packed no bag, took no extra clothing, and did not take any extra money. From all appearances, she did not expect to be gone more than a few hours. Welden walked down the campus driveway and hitched a ride from State Route 67A near the college entrance in North Bennington to a point on State Route 9 near the Furnace Bridge between downtown Bennington and Woodford Hollow. Local contractor Louis Knapp picked her up and drove her as far as his house on Route 9, about 2.5 miles (4.0 km) from the Long Trail. From this point, Welden either hitchhiked or walked the rest of the way to the start of the Long Trail in Woodford Hollow.[5]

A group of hikers were walking down the trail as Welden was walking up. She approached them and asked them a few questions about the Long Trail. She continued walking in a northerly direction on the road portion of the trail now known as Harbour Road. Welden was on the Long Trail late in the afternoon and darkness was falling as she approached the end of Harbour Road. She may have continued into quickly darkening woods and it was presumed that she must have continued her Long Trail walk along the Bolles Brook valley, although there are no known confirmed sightings of her past the Fay Fuller Camp.[6]
The search

Welden didn't return to campus. Her roommate thought she must have gone to the library to study for exams, but the next morning, Welden still hadn't returned. Once the college administrators were notified, they immediately started a search of the campus itself. The Bennington County State's Attorney was notified, and the county sheriff was brought in to help with the search. Over the next couple of days, her visit to the Long Trail was discovered when one of the hikers she had approached identified her from the photo in the Bennington Banner newspaper, where he worked.[7]

Weeks of searching ensued. The college closed for several days, and the students and faculty participated in organized searches. Hundreds of volunteers, family members, National Guard troops, students, and firefighters searched for her to no avail. Ground and air searches concentrated on the Long Trail up as far as Glastenbury Mountain (ten miles to the north), the trail's various branches, and along Vermont Route 9 from Bennington to Brattleboro. Most of those searching assumed Paula had gotten lost in the woods. When no clues were found as to her whereabouts, other theories started to be considered.[8]
Connecticut State Police investigation

Alternative theories speculated that she had been in unusually high spirits and had decided to run away to start a new life, was going to meet a secret lover and went off with him, or had become injured and suffered from amnesia.[9] Darker theories speculated that Paula was depressed and may have committed suicide, she might have been kidnapped or murdered.[10]

At the time of Paula's disappearance, there was no state police organization in Vermont, and the state's attorney, county sheriff and state investigator Almo Franzoni were responsible for the investigation. Paula's father pressed the investigators and the governor to bring in additional professional law enforcement help. Vermont's governor asked Connecticut's governor to lend assistance. Connecticut State Police detective Robert Rundle and state policewoman Dorothy Scoville were assigned to the case. They interviewed every person who saw, or thought they saw Paula, who lived along the route she took, or who were simply in the vicinity of the Long Trail on that December afternoon.

Investigators discovered that one of the last people to see Paula alive was a man who lived along Harbour Road. He was in the midst of an argument with his girlfriend when she walked by. The man stormed off in a jealous rage shortly thereafter and depending on different statements he made, he went to his shack and spent the evening by himself, or he drove his truck up the travel portion of the trail (where Paula was heading). He lied to police on several occasions and was a person of interest in 1946 and again in 1952 when the case was revisited. Reportedly, he told at least two people that he knew within a hundred feet where Paula was buried but later claimed it was just idle talk. When no evidence was found that a crime had actually been committed, no body was ever discovered, and no forensic clues were identified, this avenue of the investigation ended.[5]
Aftermath

The manner in which Paula's disappearance was handled was sharply criticized by Paula's father and many others.[11] He pointed out that the lack of a statewide law enforcement organization and the lack of training of local sheriffs contributed to a poorly run investigation.[12] Within seven months of Paula's disappearance, the Vermont legislature created the Vermont State Police.[13]
Other cases

In the same general area where Welden disappeared, at least four other unexplained vanishings were reported to have taken place between 1945 and 1950. Due to the strangeness of these events, Vermont broadcaster and author Joseph A. Citro dubbed the wilderness area northeast of Bennington "the Bennington Triangle" – a reference to unexplained disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle.[14][15]

neognosis
03-11-2015, 02:09 AM
Theories ran rampant, but were mostly based on rumors or speculation. Some thought he may have been attacked by an animal. The shorelines from the mountain top to Fontana Lake were searched in case he washed away in the heavy rains. The family offered a reward for their son's return for fear the total disappearance meant Dennis was kidnapped.

There were tons of possible leads, but none of them led to Dennis.

After weeks went by, survival grew unlikely for Dennis if he was still in the Park. With the strong possibility of death in the air, that's where many searchers turned their attention. They searched the air for any decaying odors in the woods. They watched for vultures and buzzards circling overhead. The searchers found lots of small animals, a dog carcass, and a dead bobcat. Still, no sign of Dennis.

The Smokies Bury Secrets

If Dennis Martin perished in the mountains, you might assume his discovery would be inevitable. After all, the disappearance happened in the most-visited national park in the country near the heavily-traveled Appalachian Trail. Over the course of 45 years, surely some sort of remains or piece of clothing would be discovered.

That is not so, according to ecologists with the National Park Service. With each passing season, Mother Nature buries the secrets of the Smokies deeper and deeper beneath a layer of leaf litter and debris that can range from one to three inches in depth every year.

"You have a window of opportunity and it is very short," said McCarter. "For every year, the forest layers up one inch of debris. So this is 45 years? That's 45 inches underneath the earth. We've found missing planes after a few years and there will be no sign of the pilot. A lot of the plane and the pilot will be buried."

The environment in the Great Smoky Mountains full of high heat, humidity, animals, and rich organic material can accelerate decomposition. The thick forest canopy also makes even large objects such as aircraft difficult to locate.

"We've found planes and walked 10 feet past it several times before we ever see it. The park can really conceal things a lot more than you would ever imagine," said McCarter. "If it takes years to find a plane, think about a small child."

justins5256
03-11-2015, 08:26 AM
nnnnnkay....

neognosis
03-11-2015, 09:06 AM
When do we get a Were The Wackers Victims of A Ghost thread?

someone else already got that covered


Whatever the case may be, I agree with some of the previous posts that it is hard to believe the perpetrator(s) did this stuff for a decade without ever being caught. One has to wonder if it was something supernatural. I have no idea what the motives could be.

that sounds about right. :crazy: :crazy:

James T
03-11-2015, 09:32 AM
Saw a hilarious episode of Monsters and Mysteries in America yesterday. It had some drivel about twin sisters being abducted by aliens & recognising some guy in a bar they remembered was on the spaceship with them as a fellow abductee a decade earlier, but the main part of the show was some stupid looking thing called the Pukwudgie who lures humans & then supposedly attacks them. The show is well done but totally laughable.

Corkys-Place
03-13-2015, 12:34 AM
Saw a hilarious episode of Monsters and Mysteries in America yesterday. It had some drivel about twin sisters being abducted by aliens & recognising some guy in a bar they remembered was on the spaceship with them as a fellow abductee a decade earlier, but the main part of the show was some stupid looking thing called the Pukwudgie who lures humans & then supposedly attacks them. The show is well done but totally laughable.


Goodness me! Sounds like a pilot for a new comedy series...a very bad one! :lol:

Cori aka ChrisSCrush
03-13-2015, 04:04 AM
Goodness me! Sounds like a pilot for a new comedy series...a very bad one! :lol:

Personally I liked the evil garden gnome of Oregon.

neognosis
03-13-2015, 08:28 PM
Personally I liked the evil garden gnome of Oregon.

u watch m&m to? personally i prefer ancient aliens, monsterquest, finding bigfoot, but wow....:crazy:

u remind me of dancart.

the force is with you

Schmoopie
03-13-2015, 08:45 PM
No, but I probably should considering that I live in the Pacific Northwest!

Arnold_OldSchool
08-31-2015, 10:26 AM
After Dark Radio with Bryan Alvarez returns today with an extended interview with David Ellis talking Bigfoot, the howls he has recorded which you can hear on-air, memorable encounters and more! Plus, the wacky callers talking about the Simpsons predicting DOOMSDAY and the earth actually being flat...then emails, news notes and more. A fun show as always so check it out~!

1:57:41

http://media001.f4wonline.com/dmdocuments/083015afterdark.mp3

Yong Fang
08-31-2015, 10:43 AM
No!

If this creature existed, there would be a skeleton somewhere. Or a car would hit one, or something. No large mammal like animals just stay loose, not seen up close, not to have one proper picture of the animal close up, no strange DNA, no proof, no bodies, nothing. Again, when the animal dies, where are the bones? Or do they hide when they die?

I really dislike the "Bigfoot" shows, any of them, because they are bull*****. I also distain shows about the "paranormal" or ghosts. BS, all of it, and if you quit watching it, they will quit making it.

Bonniegirl
08-31-2015, 11:08 AM
Actually, it is a little known fact that Bigfoot exists.

I first encountered one about 7 years ago when I was hiking in the Foothills in North Carolina. I took the following photograph. I swear on everything I hold sacred that this is NOT a hoax...

You are talking about "Southern Fried Bigfoot"! I saw a documentary about him a couple months ago! ;)

James T
08-31-2015, 11:12 AM
After Dark Radio with Bryan Alvarez returns today with an extended interview with David Ellis talking Bigfoot, the howls he has recorded which you can hear on-air, memorable encounters and more! Plus, the wacky callers talking about the Simpsons predicting DOOMSDAY and the earth actually being flat...then emails, news notes and more. A fun show as always so check it out~!

1:57:41

http://media001.f4wonline.com/dmdocuments/083015afterdark.mp3

Getting bored of Chico talking about it pretty much every show now & playing those tapes of what could be anything. Ryan from Cumberland must either be making his calls from a mental asylum or is trolling hard-it is getting older than Jason from BC & his cheese, wine & cigawwwws stuff from the past.

The midget needs to put his foot down, I would rather hear Granny talking about bitcoins & vampires than hearing another bigfoot expert.

LooksLikeCRicci
08-31-2015, 06:03 PM
No!

If this creature existed, there would be a skeleton somewhere. Or a car would hit one, or something. No large mammal like animals just stay loose, not seen up close, not to have one proper picture of the animal close up, no strange DNA, no proof, no bodies, nothing. Again, when the animal dies, where are the bones? Or do they hide when they die?

I really dislike the "Bigfoot" shows, any of them, because they are bull*****. I also distain shows about the "paranormal" or ghosts. BS, all of it, and if you quit watching it, they will quit making it.

So logical. So well put. And yet I failed to think about that particular point. :eek: :eek: :eek:

I love it when a fellow reader "schools" me. :)

neognosis
08-31-2015, 09:05 PM
simple, they are subject to time slips

DALLASTEXAN!!
09-01-2015, 01:35 AM
The yeti exists I saw the foot prints at Disney then took a picture with goofy and Donald duck.

LooksLikeCRicci
09-01-2015, 12:46 PM
The yeti exists I saw the foot prints at Disney then took a picture with goofy and Donald duck.

Expedition Everest!! That's a fun one. :)

DALLASTEXAN!!
09-01-2015, 01:57 PM
Expedition Everest!! That's a fun one. :)
Yes one of my best moments ever was hearing my daughter ask during the ride "wait this goes backwards???"

BlueGalexy
09-01-2015, 02:44 PM
Personally I liked the evil garden gnome of Oregon.


Speaking of evil Oregonian garden gnomes... My grandparents used to inundate us with ugliest lawn ornaments and my dad always insisted on displaying them out of family loyalty. One time they gave us a set of wooden ducks. A yellow mother duck, four yellow ducklings, and a black duckling at the end. Yes...Dad put those up too.

One morning we realized that every yellow duck was gone. Only the little black duckling remained. I tried to tell my folks that it was obviously a couple of drunks playing a prank, and that they must have missed the black duckling in the dark. Somehow though, my friend and I took the rap! The family still doesn't believe me. I mean for christ sake!! I would have been smart enough to steal them all!

Necco
09-04-2015, 06:16 PM
Speaking of evil Oregonian garden gnomes... My grandparents used to inundate us with ugliest lawn ornaments and my dad always insisted on displaying them out of family loyalty. One time they gave us a set of wooden ducks. A yellow mother duck, four yellow ducklings, and a black duckling at the end. Yes...Dad put those up too.

One morning we realized that every yellow duck was gone. Only the little black duckling remained. I tried to tell my folks that it was obviously a couple of drunks playing a prank, and that they must have missed the black duckling in the dark. Somehow though, my friend and I took the rap! The family still doesn't believe me. I mean for christ sake!! I would have been smart enough to steal them all!


Sorry, do you need those back? My night vision is terrible.

BlueGalexy
09-04-2015, 10:00 PM
Sorry, do you need those back? My night vision is terrible.

Much as I appreciate your kind offer Necco, I'll pass. It wasn't the theft of our ducks that I objected to so much as it was taking the blame for it. And you needn't worry about the little black duckling that was left behind. We got rid of him at our next yard sale.

Necco
09-04-2015, 10:27 PM
Much as I appreciate your kind offer Necco, I'll pass. It wasn't the theft of our ducks that I objected to so much as it was taking the blame for it. And you needn't worry about the little black duckling that was left behind. We got rid of him at our next yard sale.


I'd send your parents a note, but better they blame you for the ducks you didn't steal than that prank with the pig and the oldsmobile. :)

BlueGalexy
09-04-2015, 10:40 PM
Fortunately for me, my parents eventually got past the duck heist. Now the matter of the roadrunner who got his tail snapped off? That one is still a family controversy to this day...

Arnold_OldSchool
05-13-2017, 03:15 AM
http://cliffbarackman.com/pre-1958-bigfoot-reference/

Bigfoot researcher Cliff Barackman finds a TV show mentioning "Bigfoot" 2 years before the term is commonly believed to have been coined.