All the Norman Lear shows I have seen have at least one slap scene. What was it with the slaps?

All in the Family: Edith slapped Gloria, Edith slapped Archie, Gloria slapped Mike.

The Jeffersons: Louise slapped Lionel, Jenny slapped Lionel

Maude: Walter slapped Maude

Good Times: Florida slapped Michael

One Day at a Time: Ann slapped Julie, Barbara slapped her professor

Sanford and Son: I don't remember any slaps on there, but I haven't seen all the episodes. This show never got as serious as the others. I know Fred always said he'd give Lamont one across the lips, but everything on there was pure comedy and never got into drama.

Why were people always slapping people in these shows? A lot of the shows from the '70s and '80s had slap scenes and other physical things. It showed Maude spanking her grandson Phillip on-screen. James Evans gave a thunderous whipping to one of Michael's schoolmates. It was off-screen, but you could hear it!! Schneider on "One Day at a Time" got his nephew in a headlock and nearly choked him. Ann Romano paddled her adoptive son with a board on-screen. Even Mike Stivic slugged a man on the subway after years of preaching non-violence.

Wow. Never knew there was that much slappin' going round in the Lear shows. There were always so many shout-fests on those series, I guess they needed to up the ante at times. Either that, or just end such an argument with a dramatic coda.

But frankly, all that shouting and dysfunction is why I never particularly cottoned to such shows. It was odd, because I'd hear some people in later years state that this made the shows seem more real to them and reflective of their own family lives, than the old-time family sitcoms. And I don't doubt them for a minute. Yet, for me and my friends, even in the supposedly turbulent 1970s, we all noted that our own family lives much more closely resembled the oldies like "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" than the Lear stuff. By far.

You forgot on Good Times, Keith slapped Thelma and she returned the slap in the episode, "The Evans Dilemma".

Slaptastic!!!:D

On One Day at a Time, Shneider slapped Alex because Alex accidentally burned Shneiders trailer down.

On One Day at a Time, Shneider slapped Alex because Alex accidentally burned Shneiders trailer down.

I don't remember Scheider slapping Alex for that. I remember that he was very, very mad and that he yelled at him, but I don't remember any slapping. Of course it's been years since I've seen the episode so you may be right. Do you know if the episode is anywhere online?

I just remembered another time when Ann slapped Alex. He was throwing a fit and broke a vase with flowers in it, and she slapped him. Ann could be tough if you messed with her!

And thanks Retro76 for reminding me about the Keith/Thelma mutual slapping scenes. I can't believe I forgot those two!

Here's another Norman Lear show where people get slapped: The Facts of Life: Blair's mother slaps her in the first season episode "Like Mother, Like Daughter".

I do remember a lot of slapping on TV in the late 1970s/early 1980s. I suppose it wasn't shown much in the 1950s and early 1960s because it wasn't wholesome. And by the mid-80s, people were more aware of child abuse, so slapping went out of vogue.

Facts of Life was not a Norman Lear show but it did have some of the same writers and producers that worked with Norman Lear.

Facts of Life was not a Norman Lear show but it did have some of the same writers and producers that worked with Norman Lear.

Depends on what you mean by "not a Norman Lear show". It was created by Norman Lear, and Norman Lear personally offered Geri Jewell (http://books.google.com/books?id=LxluOpT8xHUC&pg=PT136&lpg=PT136&dq=%22facts+of+life%22%2B%22norman+lear%22&source=bl&ots=JV3uHxxttx&sig=FLVZYWi4tErCXY6aIi1z_K2fVMA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=r7xyU4ORHtOgyASY14HoDw&ved=0CHwQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22facts%20of%20life%22%2B%22norman%20lear%22&f=false) her role as Cousin Geri. According to NBC exec Hamilton Cloud, Norman Lear pitched the idea of a spinoff of "Diff'rent Strokes." (http://www.televisionhits.com/factsoflife/transcripts/etranscript1.html) Indeed, T.A.T., the production company for FOL, was Norman Lear's production company.

Depends on what you mean by "not a Norman Lear show". It was created by Norman Lear.

The show was created by Dick Blair & Jenna McMahon, not Norman Lear.

The show was created by Dick Blair & Jenna McMahon, not Norman Lear.
You've misquoted me, Zoneboy. Please do not add periods where there were none. Thanks in advance. :)

Here's what I wrote:

Depends on what you mean by "not a Norman Lear show". It was created by Norman Lear, and Norman Lear personally offered Geri Jewell her role as Cousin Geri. According to NBC exec Hamilton Cloud, Norman Lear pitched the idea of a spinoff of "Diff'rent Strokes." Indeed, T.A.T., the production company for FOL, was Norman Lear's production company.

Notice there was no full stop after "Lear". You added that, then chopped off the rest in order to correct me. Seems like you've been doing that a lot today. Hmmm...

Since it's been established that Norman Lear pitched the idea of of a spin-off of DS to NBC, what do you think he was pitching? According to Paul Haggis, Norman Lear put him on "Facts of Life" as a writer (http://books.google.com/books?id=JQc4x8QhuR8C&pg=PA160&dq=%22norman+lear%22%2B%22+facts+of+life%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=c8VyU_zyE8ekyAT4qYDgCg&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22norman%20lear%22%2B%22%20facts%20of%20life%22&f=false). You don't do that if it's not your show.

You've misquoted me, Zoneboy. Please do not add periods where there were none. Thanks in advance. :)

Don't be telling me how to post. I didn't misquote you, you plainly stated that the show was created by Norman Lear with no mention of Dick Blair and Jenna McMahon

Notice there was no full stop after "Lear". You added that, then chopped off the rest in order to correct me. Seems like you've been doing that a lot today. Hmmm...

Whether or not there was a full stop after Lear isn't the issue. You said the show was created by Norman Lear. Also, if you have a problem with something I've said then I suggest you take your complaint to TJ or Janice. As far as I'm concerned I've done nothing wrong and if you keep up this crap of falsely accusing me of things I haven't done then I'm going to take action myself. Right here is exactly what you said,


Depends on what you mean by "not a Norman Lear show". It was created by Norman Lear.

Your next lines were,

and Norman Lear personally offered Geri Jewell her role as Cousin Geri. According to NBC exec Hamilton Cloud, Norman Lear pitched the idea of a spinoff of "Diff'rent Strokes." Indeed, T.A.T., the production company for FOL, was Norman Lear's production company.

Which is it? did he create the show or did he pitch the idea? You can't have it both ways. If you're implying that he created the show then you're wrong. If he did his name would seen as creator during the credits and it's not or at least no credits that I can find.

Norman Lear's name is not in any of the credits for the Facts of Life, not is it in any credits for Diff'rent Strokes, Silver Spoons, Who's the Boss?, or 227, but they all had many of the same writers and producers that worked with Norman Lear on his shows, and they were also done by one of his companies, either Tandem Productions or TAT which later became Embassy. All in the Family, Maude, Good Times, and Sanford and Son, which were Lear's shows, as well as Diff'rent Strokes were produced by Tandem. The Jeffersons and One Day at a Time, which were also from Lear, were produced by TAT/Embassy, as well as Facts of Life, Silver Spoons, Who's the Boss, and 227.

Norman Lear's name is not in any of the credits for the Facts of Life, not is it in any credits for Diff'rent Strokes, Silver Spoons, Who's the Boss?, or 227, but they all had many of the same writers and producers that worked with Norman Lear on his shows, and they were also done by one of his companies, either Tandem Productions or TAT which later became Embassy. All in the Family, Maude, Good Times, and Sanford and Son, which were Lear's shows, as well as Diff'rent Strokes were produced by Tandem. The Jeffersons and One Day at a Time, which were also from Lear, were produced by TAT/Embassy, as well as Facts of Life, Silver Spoons, Who's the Boss, and 227.

This I can see but RG2000 was trying to say that Norman Lear created the show and he didn't. Having an idea for something and actually creating it are 2 different things. If he had said that Lear pitched the idea and the series was created by Dick Blair & Jenna McMahon then we wouldn't be having this discussion but he failed to do that and no amount of accusing me of misquoting him will change that.

Don't be telling me how to post. I didn't misquote you

Yes you did. You added something that wasn't there.


Whether or not there was a full stop after Lear isn't the issue.

Yes it is. It's something you added.

You said the show was created by Norman Lear. Also, if you have a problem with something I've said then I suggest you take your complaint to TJ or Janice.

I was hoping that you could regulate yourself; I can see that's not the case. You've chosen instead to follow me from forum to forum, correcting me and misquoting me. Just stop. You don't need to do this.


if you keep up this crap of falsely accusing me of things I haven't done then I'm going to take action myself. Right here is exactly what you said,


Depends on what you mean by "not a Norman Lear show". It was created by Norman Lear.

Nope. You added that period at the end, as I've already said. When you add things to a quote, you are changing the quote. It's unnecessary. And given the fact that this is not the first time today that you have chosen to correct me, I will ask you again to stop. Please stop.


Which is it? did he create the show or did he pitch the idea? You can't have it both ways.

Actually, it can definitely be both ways. It's most certainly possible to create a show and pitch the idea. In fact, it's easier to pitch a show based on your idea. That's usually how it's done. The idea that the show has to be pitched by someone else ("you can't have it both ways") is a little strange.

If you're implying that he created the show then you're wrong. If he did his name would seen as creator during the credits and it's not or at least no credits that I can find.

The truth is never as simple as "whose name appears in the credits". It was Norman Lear's production company, he hired the writers, he pitched the idea to NBC. He hired Geri Jewell; he hired Charlotte Rae. I was responding to the comment that the Facts of Life was not a Norman Lear show. Though his name does not specifically appear in the credits, it is his company's name which appears in the credits. Without Norman Lear, there would be no Facts of Life. In this sense, he absolutely created the show.

Yes you did. You added something that wasn't there.

Yes it is. It's something you added.

Ok.here is your full quote

Depends on what you mean by "not a Norman Lear show". It was created by Norman Lear, and Norman Lear personally offered Geri Jewell her role as Cousin Geri. According to NBC exec Hamilton Cloud, Norman Lear pitched the idea of a spinoff of "Diff'rent Strokes." Indeed, T.A.T., the production company for FOL, was Norman Lear's production company.

The only reason I stopped quoting you after it was created by Norman Lear was because the part about Geri Jewell had nothing to do with the creation of the series. The part about Lear pitching the idea probably should've been left in but again you made no mention of the 2 people who were actually credited with creating the show.

I was hoping that you could regulate yourself; I can see that's not the case. You've chosen instead to follow me from forum to forum, correcting me and misquoting me. Just stop. You don't need to do this.

I can regulate myself just fine, I've been here a hell of a lot longer than you have and don't need your advice on how to do things. I also haven't been following you from forum to forum. If that were the case I'd be replying to your comments in Politics but that's an area of the board I don't post much in because I have very little interest in it. Actually, there isn't much I can say or do here where your concerned, I can waste time arguing with you but that's all I can do since I'm not a moderator on this board. I don't have the authority to say or do anything if I feel that things are getting out of hand but there are others that do.

Nope. You added that period at the end, as I've already said. When you add things to a quote, you are changing the quote.
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. He obviously added the period for clarity. Your post stated definitively that Norman Lear created FOL. The added period didn't change your quote one iota. What you stated in the remainder of the sentence had to do with Geri Jewell. Now stop with the accusations. Nobody's bothering you.

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. He obviously added the period for clarity. Your post stated definitively that Norman Lear created FOL. The added period didn't change your quote one iota. What you stated in the remainder of the sentence had to do with Geri Jewell. Now stop with the accusations. Nobody's bothering you.

Zoneboy's been following from thread to thread, "correcting" me, despite his protestations otherwise. Check the history. You wouldn't appreciate it, either, Janice. The facts is, he wouldn't do that to you. Treat your users well, and don't turn a blind eye to mod bullying, and your forum will thrive. Pretend that periods were added to quotes "for clarity", and people will eventually leave.

Edit: I expect better from mods.

Zoneboy's been following from thread to thread, "correcting" me, despite his protestations otherwise. Check the history. You wouldn't appreciate it, either, Janice.

Edit: I expect better from mods.

I haven't been following you from one forum to the other, I've replied to your posts on one other thread

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=324639

I don't see where I've said or done anything wrong there either but apparently you can't handle being wrong or disagreed with and I've seen evidence of this on the Politics board as well and even when someone proved you wrong.

Here's the other thread he speaks of.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=324639

I don't see where I've said or done anything wrong there either.

Of course you don't. That's part of the problem. When you spend multiple posts in one thread "correcting" someone, and then just an hour and a half later show up in a thread you've never posted in and continue "correcting" someone in multiple posts (again!), it is clear you are being unnecessarily aggressive. You don't need to do it, and you were doing it, and as a mod, it looks bad, so just stop. It doesn't have to happen. This board is about a hobby we both love.

If I get something completely wrong, you can let someone else do the "correcting". It doesn't have to be you correcting me... in multiple threads, in five or six posts, within hours of each other.


apparently you can't handle being wrong

You're still harping about how you were right? I'm going to ask, again, that you Please. Just. Stop. It's just so unnecessary. You are a moderator on this site. It looks bad for the site when you can't stop mentioning that you are right. It's been hours, now.

Of course you don't. That's part of the problem. When you spend multiple posts in one thread "correcting" someone, and then just an hour and a half later show up in a thread you've never posted in and continue "correcting" someone in multiple posts (again!), it is clear you are being unnecessarily aggressive. You don't need to do it, and you were doing it, and as a mod, it looks bad, so just stop. It doesn't have to happen. This board is about a hobby we both love.

The only correcting (if you want to call it that) that isn't allowed here is where grammar/spelling is concerned. There's also no time limit for posting in a thread. The fact that I posted in that thread 5 minutes after it was started or 5 hours is irrelevant. You made a post that I disagreed with and again you can't handle it. Just for the record, don't concern yourself with my moderating abilities. I'm only assigned to 3 forums and I don't recall seeing you post in any of them but it's possible I may have overlooked it.

Check the history. You wouldn't appreciate it, either, Janice. The facts is, he wouldn't do that to you. Treat your users well, and don't turn a blind eye to mod bullying, and your forum will thrive. Pretend that periods were added to quotes "for clarity", and people will eventually leave.

Mod bullying? If my correcting or disagreeing with you is a form of bullying then my moderating privileges would've been removed long ago. This little disagreement we're having is nothing compared to some of the heated discussions I've been involved in but you're the first to call it bullying. I've also tried telling you several times now that my being a mod has nothing to do with this board as I'm not assigned to it.

Edit: I expect better from mods.

If you expect better from mods then why don't you tell me and the other ones here how to go about doing it? You're obviously an expert on how it's done. :rolleyes:

Zoneboy's been following from thread to thread, "correcting" me, despite his protestations otherwise. Check the history. You wouldn't appreciate it, either, Janice. The facts is, he wouldn't do that to you. Treat your users well, and don't turn a blind eye to mod bullying, and your forum will thrive. Pretend that periods were added to quotes "for clarity", and people will eventually leave.

Edit: I expect better from mods.
You're a weirdo. :crazy:

I forgot another one. Jenny slapped Lionel in "The Jeffersons", and Mother Jefferson was getting ready to slap him also before he stopped her. I wish someone would make a compilation of all the good slap scenes in the Lear shows into one video. That would be neat. I don't have the "know-how" to do it.

Was "Diff'rent Strokes" a Norman Lear show? I don't remember any slap scenes in that one.

No Diff'rent Strokes was not a Norman Lear show but iwas produced by one of his companies, Tandem, and it did have some of the same writers and staff from his shows, as well as actors

RetroGuy2000, you do seem to be a little sensitive to people's
comments on here. Charles, I know you may think I am attacking
you when I say this, but you do have a tendency to correct people
frequently for inaccuracies in posts and tend to be a little harsh when
defending yourself if someone disagrees with you, like you have sometimes
when I have disagreed with you. However, RetroGuy2000, I disagree with
your accusation that Janice does not enforce the rules fairly. From what I
have seen, she does a very good job. If she does not think Charles is a
bully, then obviously she must know him pretty well on these boards.

Charles, I know you may think I am attacking
you when I say this, but you do have a tendency to correct people
frequently for inaccuracies in posts

I very rarely ever correct anyone and there's no rule against it except for correcting grammar, spelling etc... which I've never done. You on the other hand have a very annoying habit of jumping into conversations that don't even concern you and start telling those involved what their problems are. Unless your name comes up during one of those discussions then I'd suggest you tend to your own business and quit trying to play moderator.

Zoneboy's been following from thread to thread, "correcting" me, despite his protestations otherwise. Check the history. You wouldn't appreciate it, either, Janice. The facts is, he wouldn't do that to you. Treat your users well, and don't turn a blind eye to mod bullying, and your forum will thrive. Pretend that periods were added to quotes "for clarity", and people will eventually leave.

Edit: I expect better from mods. I'm not checking any history. You show it to me. Show me the links. And that period meant absolutely nothing and you know it.

I don't need a lesson in moderating from you. You're breaking the rules. Keep it up and you're suspended.

RetroGuy2000, you do seem to be a little sensitive to people's
comments on here. Charles, I know you may think I am attacking
you when I say this, but you do have a tendency to correct people
frequently for inaccuracies in posts and tend to be a little harsh when
defending yourself if someone disagrees with you, like you have sometimes
when I have disagreed with you. However, RetroGuy2000, I disagree with
your accusation that Janice does not enforce the rules fairly. From what I
have seen, she does a very good job. If she does not think Charles is a
bully, then obviously she must know him pretty well on these boards.
Lee, please stay out of this. It doesn't concern you.

Lee, please stay out of this. It doesn't concern you.

Janice, when I made the comment concerning you, I was simply showing
my support for you as a moderator. I did not mean to offend you in any way.

To answer the original question, I'm going to say 704 Houser Street never had anyone slapping someone, the show wasn't on long enough for it to happen. :D

Wow. Never knew there was that much slappin' going round in the Lear shows. There were always so many shout-fests on those series, I guess they needed to up the ante at times. Either that, or just end such an argument with a dramatic coda.

But frankly, all that shouting and dysfunction is why I never particularly cottoned to such shows. It was odd, because I'd hear some people in later years state that this made the shows seem more real to them and reflective of their own family lives, than the old-time family sitcoms. And I don't doubt them for a minute. Yet, for me and my friends, even in the supposedly turbulent 1970s, we all noted that our own family lives much more closely resembled the oldies like "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" than the Lear stuff. By far.
Exactly.

Janice, when I made the comment concerning you, I was simply showing
my support for you as a moderator. I did not mean to offend you in any way.
I know that Lee, and I do appreciate your intention. It just makes it harder when people start giving their opinions, good or bad. I hope you understand what I mean.

Zoneboy's been following from thread to thread, "correcting" me, despite his protestations otherwise. Check the history. You wouldn't appreciate it, either, Janice. The facts is, he wouldn't do that to you. Treat your users well, and don't turn a blind eye to mod bullying, and your forum will thrive. Pretend that periods were added to quotes "for clarity", and people will eventually leave.

Edit: I expect better from mods.

There were a couple of episodes of "All In The Family" that there was slapping. I agree with you Retro there is a lot of drama on this message board. That's why sitcom online is losing people and there is not a lot of activity on this board like it used to be.

I didn't remember this thread having more drama than a typical Norman Lear show episode.

I didn't see it in the search a few months ago after Will Smith slapped Chris Rock. I've been sorting the General section and moving some threads to the individual boards.

There's no mention of Norman Lear creating The Facts of Life on his Wikipedia page or on the FOL page. The writers of the Pilot episode of a series are generally the ones who are credited as the creators.

"Generally, if no format has been written for the series, the "Created by" credit will go to the writer(s) who received the "Story by" or "Written by" credit on the pilot. If a format has been written, a Separation of Rights arbitration may be required following the final credit determination on the pilot."

https://www.wga.org/contracts/know-your-rights/determining-separated-rights

"For one, unlike those earlier three shows, Diff'rent Strokes and The Facts of Life were not created by Lear himself, although they did come from his production company."

https://www.primetimer.com/features/heres-why-the-facts-of-life-mattered

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No one was slapped on Sanford and Son not was there any violence outside of Aunt Esther swinging her purse. There was a lot of threats of violence however.

Someone mentioned Ann Romano as a “serial slapper” on another thread which is true! Valarie Bertinelli slapping me would be a turn on.

Valarie Bertinelli slapping me would be a turn on.

Barbara Cooper did slap the professor who threatened to flunk her if she didn’t sleep with him

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No one was slapped on Sanford and Son not was there any violence outside of Aunt Esther swinging her purse. There was a lot of threats of violence however.

Someone mentioned Ann Romano as a “serial slapper” on another thread which is true! Valarie Bertinelli slapping me would be a turn on.

There was a character in the first season of Sanford and Son called Melvin and the actor’s name was “Slappy” White

No one was slapped on Sanford and Son not was there any violence outside of Aunt Esther swinging her purse. There was a lot of threats of violence however.

You're right about the threats of violence. These are some Sanford and Son moments.

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Did Mother Jefferson ever slap George? I know she got mad at him one time (that rarely happens! LOL!). But I was thinking she slapped him too.

Did Mother Jefferson ever slap George? I know she got mad at him one time (that rarely happens! LOL!). But I was thinking she slapped him too.

Yes Mammie Jefferson slapped George.

Little known fact, but Will Smith is a HUGE Norman Lear fan


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All of the Norman Lear shows had somebody slapping somebody else. LOL. There should be a video compilation of all the slaps. Here are the ones that I remember off the top of my head:

"All in the Family"- Gloria slaps Mike (twice), Edith slaps Gloria, Edith slaps Archie

"The Jeffersons"- Louise slaps Lionel, Jenny slaps Lionel, Mother Jefferson almost slaps Lionel, Mother Jefferson's male friend slaps George

"Good Times"- Florida slaps Michael, Keith slaps Thelma, Thelma slaps Keith

"One Day at a Time"- Ann slaps Julie, Ann slaps Alex, Barbara slaps her professor

"Maude"- Walter slaps Maude

Which ones am I missing? What were the best slaps? I think the hardest one was the first time Gloria slapped Mike. That slap was so loud. I could feel that one through the screen, lol. Another great one is Ann slapping Julie. It looked very realistic.

If I was better with technology, I would make a video compilation. Lol

Aunt Esther smacked Fred Sanford with her purse and knocked him out.