this is a fairly recent show (came out last year) and one of the more tastefully done programs on ID. It focuses on crimes from the 50's and 60's, and actually does a pretty good job of tailoring props and wardrobes to suit the era (rotary phones, etc). It's a very, very ssssssllllllllooooooowwwww moving program (not a complaint), and while the announcer's accent seems a wee bit fake to me, it's a nonetheless fascinating program. The first ep I saw was on the abduction of Judge Chillingworth and his wife from Palm Beach. Perhaps the saddest aspects of this case was that the Judge was set to turn in his resignation letter to the governor, and the perps didn't plan on the wife being there, thus making their murders all the more unnecessary :(

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/chillingworth_curtis.html

I have seen the show, but not every episode. However, from what I have watched so far, I share your consensus that the show does a good job, especially in terms of the wardrobes.

did anyone see the Alice Crimmins episode? She was a young, sexually promiscuous mother who was accused of murdering her two young children (Eddie, 5 and Missy, 4) in the Bronx in 1965. She was convicted, but got out soon after on parole.

Personally, I don't know what to think here. The only lie she was caught in had to do with the children's dinner that night, and was hardly that incriminating. There are other suspects, including her estranged husband at the time, and a neighborhood prowler.

This case drew some comparisons to the Casey Anthony trial, as Alice had partied and had numerous sexual escapades in the weeks after the murders.

did anyone see the Alice Crimmins episode? She was a young, sexually promiscuous mother who was accused of murdering her two young children (Eddie, 5 and Missy, 4) in the Bronx in 1965. She was convicted, but got out soon after on parole.

Personally, I don't know what to think here. The only lie she was caught in had to do with the children's dinner that night, and was hardly that incriminating. There are other suspects, including her estranged husband at the time, and a neighborhood prowler.

This case drew some comparisons to the Casey Anthony trial, as Alice had partied and had numerous sexual escapades in the weeks after the murders.


Yes, I saw that one. I think it was the first one of the series to be shown on ID!! I'm with you. I don't really know what to think, if she did it or not? Poor lady if she was innocent, on the other hand those poor children if the mother did kill them!

If she didn't kill them she still was negligent in that she locked them in the bedroom! I think I would have done the same thing if I was a kid locked in my bedroom on the first floor. I would have climbed out the window too. Esp. if my brother was with me.

Poor kids wondering in the night, with predators lurking around. Not as common back than , but it still went on!

I'm ready for new episodes of this. :)

I'm ready for new episodes of this. :)



Me too! Very interesting program and authentic how they do the reenactments . Really seems like it takes place in another era!

If she didn't kill them she still was negligent in that she locked them in the bedroom! I think I would have done the same thing if I was a kid locked in my bedroom on the first floor. I would have climbed out the window too. Esp. if my brother was with me.

I must admit that part did seem weird to me too, although Alice did have at least a somewhat viable explanation for it: because the son would get up in the middle of the night and raid the refrigerator. I don't know how Alice would be responsible if the kids went out the window on their own accord as she was probably sleeping and had no idea about it. Come to think of it, I really have to wonder if the kids went searching for food and somebody nabbed them. I really have no explanation as to why their bodies were found in different areas though, unless one was killed instantaneously and the other was assaulted somewhere. :(

Me too! Very interesting program and authentic how they do the reenactments . Really seems like it takes place in another era!

I hope it does come back, but I can't find squat in terms of info on this show online. EDIT: The series is returning for season 2. :)

I hope it does come back, but I can't find squat in terms of info on this show online. EDIT: The series is returning for season 2. :)

Whew. Thanks for sharing! I was worried it was going to be one that they gave up on that was actually decent. :lol: There's some on there now that I don't really care too much for . . . like the one with Jerry Springer, haha. Tabloid, I think?

I like it and agree it's very well done unlike that insipid Southern Fried Homicide. :rolleyes:

just a heads up that season 2 debuts on Tuesday, November 11 :)

just a heads up that season 2 debuts on Tuesday, November 11 :)


Great!! I will be watching! ;)

I really like Investigative Discovery channel, but they repeat eps so much. Glad to see new stuff coming on. And I really enjoy the A crime to remember series! ;)

The series won an Emmy for Outstanding Lighting Direction and Scenic Design, it deserved it.

Also, here is a link to where it has episode descriptions for the next 8 episodes. They all sound fascinating!

http://corporate.discovery.com/discovery-news/crime-remember-returns-investigation-discovery/

Tomorrow they're doing the Kitty Genovese murder. It should be interesting because they're going to explain the long-held belief that 38 people saw the murder and did nothing wasn't entirely true.

^looking forward to it.

One interesting thing is that they have a different narrator for each episode. The good thing about that is that if you don't like a certain narrator, you only have to put up with them for that one episode. :lol:

Tomorrow they're doing the Kitty Genovese murder. It should be interesting because they're going to explain the long-held belief that 38 people saw the murder and did nothing wasn't entirely true.

I had never heard of this case until I watched the episode. I found it to be one of the most horrifying ever. How all those people could do nothing as she was being raped and stabbed and robbed is beyond me. I know there's been some attempts to downplay the lack of action by the witnesses and even claiming that it was nowhere near 38, but I didn't find that to be credible at all, in fact I found one source that says there were as many as 49 witnesses.

I could understand their hesitance about going out into the streets as they feared the murderer was still out there, but there's no excuse for nobody picking up a phone in the comfort and safety of their own home.

Looking forward to the case being featured next week about Dr Leroy Adams.

Really enjoying this show. Lots of twists and turns I didn't see coming.

I also love that they're showing the old commercials and old-fashioned bumpers. I'm no longer with Allstate, but it's nice to see the old ads anyways.

Fantastic show! The Shot Doctor was interesting. I had never heard of that case before. It was one twist after another. I agree with you wiseguy, that there's no excuse for nobody lifting a finger to help poor Kitty Genovese. Those folks must have had guilty minds unless they managed to go into denial.

The show has a moody, almost edgy feel to it. I can see why it won for lighting and scenic design. It deserved one for costumes too, but not a bad start at all. Love the music too. It's not often that I watch a show twice right away, but I find myself doing so with A Crime To Remember.

I had never heard of this case until I watched the episode. I found it to be one of the most horrifying ever. How all those people could do nothing as she was being raped and stabbed and robbed is beyond me. I know there's been some attempts to downplay the lack of action by the witnesses and even claiming that it was nowhere near 38, but I didn't find that to be credible at all, in fact I found one source that says there were as many as 49 witnesses.

I could understand their hesitance about going out into the streets as they feared the murderer was still out there, but there's no excuse for nobody picking up a phone in the comfort and safety of their own home.


This murder actually helped explain the phenomena of "diffusion of responsibility," more commonly known as the "bystander effect." Essentially, I believe none of those folks called for help because they all assumed someone else was going to do it.

I could be wrong, but it's my understanding that the bystander effect is why you're supposed to point to someone and yell, "YOU! Call 911!" when you happen upon an emergency. Social psychology suggests that the action of pointing at someone and "assigning" them a task makes them more likely to follow through and do it. As a person is in a larger group, they are less likely to take action because they believe someone else will step up to the plate.

As you can tell, I learned about this case in my college Psychology/Sociology classes. It really is a tragic case. What sends chills down my spine is that he left, but came back to finish the job. Shudder.

I didn't see the Crime to Remember special on it. Was it well done? Is it worth the space on my DVR?

This murder actually helped explain the phenomena of "diffusion of responsibility," more commonly known as the "bystander effect." Essentially, I believe none of those folks called for help because they all assumed someone else was going to do it.

I could be wrong, but it's my understanding that the bystander effect is why you're supposed to point to someone and yell, "YOU! Call 911!" when you happen upon an emergency. Social psychology suggests that the action of pointing at someone and "assigning" them a task makes them more likely to follow through and do it. As a person is in a larger group, they are less likely to take action because they believe someone else will step up to the plate.

As you can tell, I learned about this case in my college Psychology/Sociology classes. It really is a tragic case. What sends chills down my spine is that he left, but came back to finish the job. Shudder.

I didn't see the Crime to Remember special on it. Was it well done? Is it worth the space on my DVR?

it was a regular episode. A Crime To Remember is an excellent series, so much so you'll wonder what it's doing amongst the usual ID fare.

That is a good point about assigning people tasks.

"Bystander Effect" didn't apply here because people had different reasons for not helping. One man was going to call, but his wife persuaded him to not get involved in other people's affairs. Other people didn't call because they didn't like speaking to the person answering the phones. The list goes on.

I don't understand "Bystander Effect". Last week, I was driving home and it was the first snow of the season, so I was sure some people were going off the road as they tend to forget to drive slower in snowy weather. Sure enough, I witnessed someone go off the road. It was worse than your typical case, part of her car went up in the air at one point and one of her windows appeared to be broken. I was closest to her when it happened, but we were going opposite directions and a couple people got to her first as it took some time for me to stop my car safely (a neighbor and another motorist assisted her). Regardless, I still got out of my car and checked to see if everyone was alright. In Kitty's case, when someone's life is at stake, I can't see how anyone took the chance that "someone else will call."

I don't understand "Bystander Effect". Last week, I was driving home and it was the first snow of the season, so I was sure some people were going off the road as they tend to forget to drive slower in snowy weather. Sure enough, I witnessed someone go off the road. It was worse than your typical case, part of her car went up in the air at one point and one of her windows appeared to be broken. I was closest to her when it happened, but we were going opposite directions and a couple people got to her first as it took some time for me to stop my car safely (a neighbor and another motorist assisted her). Regardless, I still got out of my car and checked to see if everyone was alright. In Kitty's case, when someone's life is at stake, I can't see how anyone took the chance that "someone else will call."

I totally agree that it's baffling. I'm with you-- my first instinct would be to stop and render assistance if need be. But according to lots of studies, humans tend to get all wacky when grouped together. Look at the Milgrem experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment) and mass hysteria. Then there's also my personal favorite, also the bane of my professional existence: Jury Nullification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification)

This is an excellent series, easily my favorite among the recent true crime shows. As Wiseguy pointed out, the use of old Allstate commercials is extremely effective, and the show invariably features twists that aren't obvious. The writing is skillful also.

I'm actually disappointed when I'm already familiar with the old case. For example, I have one friend from Las Vegas who is originally from Tucson. He mentioned the Charles Schmid "Pied Piper" crimes to me maybe 20 years ago. So I knew some of the details already, that the cool guy was actually the killer. The program hid that aspect very well for a long time.

The Texas sniper case happened when I was a kid but I was too young to follow it or retain details. I only remembered what the guy looked like and that he asked for an autopsy of his brain. The show did a great job with the specifics of the scheme up the tower to take him out, including that the first officer who fired shots somehow missed completely with all 6 until the accompanying civilian fired a fatal shot with his shotgun.

As someone else posted, I often find myself watching this program twice.

Season 3 kicks off in November, with the first ep of the season being on "The Gaffney Strangler"

Some of the episodes from the latter half of Season 2 were a bit off. Particularly "Accident on Banyan St.", as it left the door open to whether Lucille Miller killed her husband or not. But I'm definitely leaning towards not, since all of the evidence fit Lucille's version of events, there was a nail in the tire of her car that likely caused the chain of events (car going off road, ignited in fire), and I don't know how she could have staged an accident without risking death to herself. Plus, she seemed to genuinely grieve the loss of her husband. I think she is innocent, which might not fit a show called "A Crime To Remember".

Though I must say, I do find it odd that they would both leave the house around midnight to do a milk run and leave their 3 young kids at home, where they would remain until Lucille came home the next morning, and especially odd since Cork had a migraine and was not feeling well. I hope there was an explanation for that I missed.

Just received confirmation that Richard Speck will be profiled in season 3. This was the case of a man who tortured, raped and murdered 8 nursing students (in the same room) in Chicago in 1966. One managed to survive the attacks. Later on, some rather interesting video tapes about goings-on at the prison Speck was in made their way to none other than Bill Kurtis, who was a news anchor in Chicago at the time.

Season 3 will begin on November 10th!

I have also discovered 2 more cases that will be profiled:

-Dr. Sam Sheppard, a physician suspected in the brutal murder of his wife. Sheppard would later go onto become a professional wrestler.

-Roseann Quinn, murdered in New York City on New Year's Night in 1973, this is by far the most "recent" (if you can call it that) case that A Crime To Remember has profiled, as all others have been in the 50's and 60's.

This is in addition to the Gaffney Strangler and Richard Speck cases, which I noted above. There will be at least 2 more episodes this season. Hopefully, they'll do more than 6 total for the season as just a half-dozen is not nearly enough to satisfy fans for the year!

I am so glad that this show is coming back. I absolutely love it. I like it when they are older, since I love the 40/50s era, but the 1973 one will be interesting since I was born that year and don't remember it. This show seems to be pretty accurate with how things were in the eras they take place.

I loved The Shot Doctor episode. It was so sad though, but the story really touched me. I also like the ones I've never heard of before (like that one) best, but they are all good.

There was a short time when ID seemed to doing extra silly shows (like Sex Put me in the Slammer) that seemed to be less reality, almost in the style of 1000 Ways to Die on Spike, I am glad they seemed to quit doing that and are sticking with the more reality based cases.

I saw the Bobby Greenlease one a little while back. How horrible that couple killed that innocent little boy without even giving his parents a chance to pay the ransom, which they did do. Glad to see they both got the chair for that, and quick too. They didn't fool around in those days. Unlike California's Death Row nowadays, where a person is likelier to die of old age then have their execution carried out.

Just a reminder Season 3 starts tonight!

I'm hoping to stay awake for the 12am rerun of the premier.

I hadn't seen the Bobby Greenlease one before but it was rerun earlier today. Unfortunately I had to leave for work before the ending. I'll have to read about the case because I'd never heard of it before.

The most recent episode was about a 1973 case. Now they're going in the opposite direction with by far the oldest case.

"The murders of a pin-up model and two others on Easter Sunday in 1937 New York City are recalled." This airs on Dec 1 and is called "Such A Pretty Face"

The most recent episode was about a 1973 case. Now they're going in the opposite direction with by far the oldest case.

"The murders of a pin-up model and two others on Easter Sunday in 1937 New York City are recalled." This airs on Dec 1 and is called "Such A Pretty Face"


Yeah!! I watched the 73 one!! Roseane Quinn, the basis of the Mr. Goodbar book and movie!!! That was HORRIBLE what happened to her!!!:(

I thought the next one up was from 1966 I think? The nurses being murdered? That's what they are advertising here!

Haven't seen the R. Quinn one yet but I can't wait to see the 70s! I'm excited about the pin up one too, that's my bag, man!! But yeah, they've been advertising the one about the nurses (is this about Richard Speck?) this week.

Haven't seen the R. Quinn one yet but I can't wait to see the 70s! I'm excited about the pin up one too, that's my bag, man!! But yeah, they've been advertising the one about the nurses (is this about Richard Speck?) this week.


Yes, it's about Richard Speck. I don't know all that much about this case. It doesn't seem like they feature him and these murders that much on True crime shows! :confused:

Right. As I mentioned, the 1937 one about the pin-up model airs on December 1. The Richard Speck one is the next one. It has been featured on American Justice, but it's not an episode that has aired recently. (I have it in my collection, I think it was an ep from way back in the early 90's when the show was just a half-hour).

Got info on another episode: Tuesday, December 8 will be "Comedy Of Terrors", profiling the 1960 strangulation death of Macon, Georgia resident Mary Burge, in which her husband Chester was suspected. Wasn't familiar at all with this case, so I did a little research, and this sounds line one extremely BIZARRE case.

Very good coverage of the Sam Sheppard case this week, including the late '90s update that all but identified the true perpetrator.

That's an early example that you never want to be the lazy target in a case with a very unusual set of circumstances, ones that sound far fetched, like the Jeffrey MacDonald case and Kay Mortensen relatives. The simpleton vindictive types will go full throttle to convict you merely because it's not a logical Point A to Point B crime.

Actually I shouldn't say the Sheppard case is an early example. It's merely early by modern media standards. Innocent people have been wrongly targeted and convicted for centuries and millenniums by the simpletons of the time frame.

Interesting but sad season finale last week, the Betty Williams case from Odessa, Texas in 1961. Promiscuous teenager who gained a bad reputation and lost a popular boyfriend. She asked friends to kill her but since she was a drama enthusiast who acted in school plays they didn't take her seriously.

Unfortunately the ex boyfriend was offered the same role and he eventually took her seriously enough to actually do it, blowing a hole in Betty's head with a shotgun and concealing her in a body of water 26 miles outside of town. Didn't take long for classmates to provide enough clues and the boyfiend confessed and led authorities to the body. He likened the experience to feeling sorry for a dead cat on the side of the road.

That boyfriend was cleared in two separate hearings as temporarily insane, first by a judge and later by jury. Young girls supported him and attended every court session. Betty was dismissed as not significant enough to care about, or to ruin the boyfriend's life by locking him up.

I appreciated the case because I wasn't familiar with it, even though I've spent some time in Odessa. My college buddy from USC worked as sports anchor at a local TV station and I visited him for a few days in the '80s. I've been wondering if the local hangout he took me too was the same one referenced in this case as the popular drive-in of decades earlier. It was certainly a gathering spot for youth and looked like it could have been a former drive-in during that era.

Betty Williams was a talented writer. That's what struck me while investigating this case a bit further online. Her diary entries and personal letters displayed excellent vocabulary and sentence structure and caliber of thought. So sad. I found blog comments from friends who knew Betty and the boyfriend Mack. The consensus was that Betty was the sharper of the two and might have done big things with her life if not for how that episode played out. I tend to agree, after sampling those writings.

This program has a tendency to use the same actors and actresses again and again. But they should at least space it out a little bit, especially in such a short season of maybe 6 or 8 episodes.

The past two weeks it was absurd when the same actress appeared in a major role. She played the supposed assault victim in the Honolulu case from 1931 last week and this week she was one of the rape victims from the New York City case from 1941. They even had her view a lineup of suspects in both cases. It was difficult not to laugh. I was traveling during the holidays so I taped Crime to Remember last week. So I watched the two episodes back to back and it was like deja vu when the same actress was doing the same thing. I could predict her body language the second time.

It's a classy program but I was disappointed in one episode this season. Crime to Remember portrayed Sharon Kinne as far more likable and clever than any other version I've seen or read. The show made the detective in that case out to be weak and overmatched by Kinne, which again goes against the other versions.

I just rewatched the Alice Crimmins episode. I'm inching my way towards believing she murdered her kids, but am not quite all the way there yet.

The more I think about it, the more I think it implicates Alice that the kids regularly went out looking for food and raided the fridge. It's suggestive that she wasn't feeding them regularly, which would mean neglect. The lock on the kids bedroom door, locking them *in* is also very bizarre and is further suggestive she wasn't a good parent.

And this is where Alice's apparent lie comes under further scrutiny. She claims she last fed them veil, but a check of Melissa's stomach contents revealed peas, carrots, green beans and pasta. It doesn't reflect well on Alice's part that she couldn't successfully recall the last thing she fed them.

What really bothers me though is that Alice was out partying, boozing it up, skinny-dipping and sleeping with random men the week after her kids murder. Some like to blast Darlie Routier for the whole silly string incident, but this woman was flat out having a party while her kids were still in their freshly dug graves. That just isn't right.

Admittedly, there was no lynchpin to this case that truly implicated Alice, and police spent years monitoring her 24/7 and turned up zilch. But one would have to figure Alice either knew or suspected her apartment was bugged, which it was.

I still don't know what to make of the kids being found at different locations. That's just really bizarre.

I love this show. I hope they bring it back!

There was a documentary called The Witness about Kitty Genovese. It shut down the theory that 38 people didn't do anything. People did call the police, and Kitty died in her neighbors arms. It was always doubted that so many people did nothing, and this docu seems to prove it more so. I highly recommend it
http://people.com/crime/documentary-explores-kitty-genoveses-notorious-1964-murder-did-38-people-really-watch-and-do-nothing/

One of my all time favorite ID shows. We recently binge watched the series on Hulu. So nice to have it commercial free.

Interested in True crime - check out my FB group " The Abby & Libby Sleuth Group". Thanks.

this is a fairly recent show (came out last year) and one of the more tastefully done programs on ID. It focuses on crimes from the 50's and 60's, and actually does a pretty good job of tailoring props and wardrobes to suit the era (rotary phones, etc). It's a very, very ssssssllllllllooooooowwwww moving program (not a complaint), and while the announcer's accent seems a wee bit fake to me, it's a nonetheless fascinating program. The first ep I saw was on the abduction of Judge Chillingworth and his wife from Palm Beach. Perhaps the saddest aspects of this case was that the Judge was set to turn in his resignation letter to the governor, and the perps didn't plan on the wife being there, thus making their murders all the more unnecessary :(

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/chillingworth_curtis.html I love this show. I wish it was still on. There are plenty of historic cases to do.