Sure, we know what happened to many fugitives, lost loves, and other individuals featured on the show. But what about those people there seems to be little to no information about anywhere? For example, I'd like to know whatever became of:

-Kyra Cook
-the "Hum" hearers
-Jack Lutter's wives
-Miriam, the woman who was looking for her supposed foster parents Pat and Mike McGuire

What about you guys?

-Bob Bean. If I had it my way, he would have taken over hosting duties of City Confidential after Paul Winfield's death, and would still be hosting as of this day.

-Michael Scott Martin. I'd like to know that he's doing well after finally being released from prison.

-Bob Bean. If I had it my way, he would have taken over hosting duties of City Confidential after Paul Winfield's death, and would still be hosting as of this day.

-Michael Scott Martin. I'd like to know that he's doing well after finally being released from prison.

Good ones!

-Michelle Samit. I wonder if she ever received any more harassment after the Anita Green segment aired.

-Geoffrey Harding

-Kathy and Mike Alter. Joey Moss actually ended up becoming a doctor, but I have no idea whatever became of his mom and stepdad.

Actually, I kind of wonder what Jerry Moss is up to nowadays, too.

The cArol segment. And to see if there were ever any leads.

Tim McClure. Wonder if he has a record.

Lisa Penz. I'd be curious to know if Bonnie did anything with her personnel file. I hope not.

Tim Mcclure, Larry Race, and Bigfoot.

Jim Fontes and sons.

good thread idea


-agree on Kyra Cook (since the segment was so early in UM's run)

-Jennifer Pratt

-Nicole Laferte (I know she wasn't interviewed, but since she technically saw the attacker/murderer, I'm curious as to how it affected her and if she still remembers it)

-Teresa Dahl and her brother Stephen

-the entire Magic Rock family

-Stephen Schroyer (sp? the engineer that had the impossible task of stopping the train before it ran over Henry & Ives)

-Alan Mann (still living at that residence?)

-Scott Merz

-Jule Caylor

-"psychic" John Catchings ("my bad, I guess it was William Scott Smith and an accomplice")

-Stephen Schroyer (sp? the engineer that had the impossible task of stopping the train before it ran over Henry & Ives)

I've always wondered about him as well.

Jay Durham - I really hope that he's doing well

Barbara Piotrowski/Janni Smith

Annette Burnside's daughters

Barbara Rondeau (Tom Roche's girlfriend)

Jerry Krieger (the investigator interviewed in the Anna Anton/Greg Webb segment)

Philip Pauli, boy genius.

Annette Burnside's daughters


Dynoguy posted this in another thread a few months ago. :)


A little off topic but this is for those who might be interested in whatever happened to Jim and Annette's 2 daughters. The older daughter Stacie (who Jim threatened to kill to her face when she was 5) is now married with 2 children. Their family has a web site. I haven't had time to look through much of it yet but I think her husband might be a pastor. http://kitchensfamily.com/ And here is Stacie's Facebook account: http://www.facebook.com/stacie.a.kitchens?sk=info Jim and Annette's other daughter Tara was just 3 when Annette was killed. She is married now as well. http://www.facebook.com/tara.esteves It's nice to see that despite the tragedies from their early childhood, both girls grew up well adjusted and now lead happy lives.

Jay Durham - I really hope that he's doing well

Me too. :)

When I first watched his segment and listened to him talking about training to become a tattoo artist so he could support himself, I thought he'd lost his mind. Back then, only a relatively few people on the fringes of society were the ones getting tattoos. I couldn't imagine him having enough clientele to make a living. Then, not long after his segment aired, the tattoo craze really took off in the mainstream and almost everybody has one now. Looks like Jay got into the field at just the right time.

Good to hear that Annette's daughters are doing well.

I haven't been able to find much information about Jay, he resided in Fulton, Missouri at some point (his actual name seems to be Lawrence J. Durham). He was featured in a 1994 article that mentions the filming of the UM segment in Arkansas: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=19941218&id=ysYfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kdgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2741,7826574 . It sounds like he had went through a rough patch, so hopefully he's doing better.

Janni Smith Petrovska became a RN and worked with her husband at his rehabilitation center in Irvine, CA which is now closed. There was an online article a few years back which mentioned that she was in medical school (she may have been divorced), but I'm unable to find it now. Richard Minns plys his trade as a sculptor (I think someone posted his work here) and published a book about great he is: http://www.minnsart.com/

-Michael Scott Martin. I'd like to know that he's doing well after finally being released from prison.

In this thread from several years, there are some comments from a poster claiming that Michael married his aunt. Apparently, Michael has led a very good, happy life since his release and has never admitted to the crime. This definitely makes me believe in his innocence even more since there really wouldn't be any reason to keep lying about a 30-year old armed robbery where no one got hurt.
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=192872&page=2

On a related note, I'd really love to find what happened to Bob Hall after he was released for entering an Alford plea in the alleged murder of his wife.

I'd also be interesting in finding out what kind of life Donny Hansen has been living under his new identity ever since he was acquitted for the murders of his sisters.

The cArol segment. And to see if there were ever any leads.

Snooping around online, I found some little tidbits about her.

Old articles about the shooting say that Carol's real name is Janice Katilius and according to White Pages and Google, there's only one Janice Katilius in the U.S. She's 51 and lives in Connecticut. The age, name and state all match up.

She now lives in East Lyme, Connecticut. That's about 50 miles south of where she was shot. She has a husband Kevin and two daughters, Allison and Christina.

She is the Supervising Clinician at the Department of Children and Families Agency.

http://connecticut-employees.findthebest.com/l/9581/Janice-P-Katilius

She doesn't appear to have a Facebook page. Her daughter Allison has a twitter account, but that's the closest thing I could find.

http://twitter.com/xallikat

I assume there aren't any developments in her attack because they would be posted online.

-Christie Mutzfeld

-Curtis Henry, father of Don Henry

-Paul Cornwell, Lisa Bishop's boyfriend


I want to say I read an article that John Catchings died some years ago, but it's been a looooong time.

how the heck does "carol" make 100,000 per year? that's not fair! also, if I were her I would have changed my name and moved out of state. most likely the killer is still alive and knows her name and city. with the internet I would change my name. plus it would be pretty cool to change my boring name.


Snooping around online, I found some little tidbits about her.

Old articles about the shooting say that Carol's real name is Janice Katilius and according to White Pages and Google, there's only one Janice Katilius in the U.S. She's 51 and lives in Connecticut. The age, name and state all match up.

She now lives in East Lyme, Connecticut. That's about 50 miles south of where she was shot. She has a husband Kevin and two daughters, Allison and Christina.

She is the Supervising Clinician at the Department of Children and Families Agency.

http://connecticut-employees.findthebest.com/l/9581/Janice-P-Katilius

She doesn't appear to have a Facebook page. Her daughter Allison has a twitter account, but that's the closest thing I could find.

http://twitter.com/xallikat

I assume there aren't any developments in her attack because they would be posted online.

my update on UM:

Bonnie update on where are they now CNN feb 22, 2014: "today our special guest on where are they now is bonnie wilder.

Bonnie speaks: 'today I am a special agent for the fbi and help them catch store and money fraudsters. basically I screwed a bunch of people over financially and now I am getting paid money to prevent it. the Lord now loves me. sometimes I lose lots of weight and pose for playboy and walk the aisles of Victoria's Secret. Then I gain a lot of weight after getting depressed for screwing so many people over like Lisa Pez Dispenser'."

by the way-Bonnie got off on 1 million dollars - the department store decided to not press charges against her. they used their insurance to make up the difference and perhaps still take a loss. Well if I stole $500 or $5000 from a department store today I would get arrested and sentenced to jail or prison. That is not fair! you stupid department store that let Bonnie get away with murder.

1. Sure, we know what happened to many fugitives, lost loves, and other individuals featured on the show. But what about those people there seems to be little to no information about anywhere? For example, I'd like to know whatever became of:

-Kyra Cook
-the "Hum" hearers
-Jack Lutter's wives
-Miriam, the woman who was looking for her supposed foster parents Pat and Mike McGuire

What about you guys?

Tim McClure.

Moderators, please close this thread. No further discussion is needed.

Donny Hansen - I still think he had something to do with his sisters' deaths. Hope he's loving his freedom! :mad:

Bill Day-- I know that some time ago his daughter posted here and said they were going to go to France to see if Christophe was really dead or if Betty Lied about it all.

Bill Day-- I know that some time ago his daughter posted here and said they were going to go to France to see if Christophe was really dead or if Betty Lied about it all.

Yes. I remember that. The concept always sounded horrifying but not out of the realm of something Betty would pull.

Sure, we know what happened to many fugitives, lost loves, and other individuals featured on the show. But what about those people there seems to be little to no information about anywhere? For example, I'd like to know whatever became of:


-Miriam, the woman who was looking for her supposed foster parents Pat and Mike McGuire



I always thought Miriam was a little off her rocker. Was there ever any evidence that she was in foster care? I thought there wasn't, but maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

I believe Larry Race is out of prison and married again.

My choices:

Colleen Ritter
Denise (Randall Utterback case)
Theresa Stamper

I always thought Miriam was a little off her rocker. Was there ever any evidence that she was in foster care? I thought there wasn't, but maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

I kind of thought so too. I want to say that the story went that Miriam's mother did admit to her father having "emotional problems" throughout his life, but denied that she was ever in foster care. Miriam I believe claimed something to the effect that because adoption and temporary foster care records were very close-hold and hush-hush back in the 1940s, they were simply sealed and she had no access to them. As for Mike and Pat McGuire, after the story aired someone did call in and say those people actually existed (I think the caller even sent a photo of one of them), but as far as I know nothing ever came of it.

Denise (Randall Utterback case)

Totally. I wonder if she ever worries about Randall coming back.

Unfortunately, I've always felt that the McGuires were likely contrived by an emotionally devastated little girl whose dreams of a picture-perfect household might have danced a fine line between imagination and reality.*

Has anybody searched census records for this couple? I believe I did several years ago and came up empty-handed.

*Paul Winfield, eat your heart out.

Paul Winfield's been dead for 10 years.

Incidentally, I just saw him on an episode of Family Matters (one of the more emotional episodes and before the show was destroyed by Urkel). It was a pleasant surprise when Carl answered the door and Paul Winfield was standing there. Paul was a BIG man, dwarfed Carl (Reginald VelJohson) who is a big man in his own right.

Janice Katilius for sure.

Paul Winfield's been dead for 10 years.

Incidentally, I just saw him on an episode of Family Matters (one of the more emotional episodes and before the show was destroyed by Urkel). It was a pleasant surprise when Carl answered the door and Paul Winfield was standing there. Paul was a BIG man, dwarfed Carl (Reginald VelJohson) who is a big man in his own right.

OT:

Family Matters 1989-1993 > The Urkel Show 1994-a merciful death. I loathed Stefan, the completely implausible Carl/Urkel buddy episodes, and that Laura-Steve-Myra love triangle. That show could've been so much better than what it devolved into.

I loved Reginald VelJohnson and felt like he was about a million times funnier than Jaleel White--even when I was a kid.

OT:

Family Matters 1989-1993 > The Urkel Show 1994-a merciful death. I loathed Stefan, the completely implausible Carl/Urkel buddy episodes, and that Laura-Steve-Myra love triangle. That show could've been so much better than what it devolved into.

I loved Reginald VelJohnson and felt like he was about a million times funnier than Jaleel White--even when I was a kid.

Agreed in full. The actress that played Myra sadly died right after the show ended its run.

good thread idea


-agree on Kyra Cook (since the segment was so early in UM's run)

-Jennifer Pratt

-Nicole Laferte (I know she wasn't interviewed, but since she technically saw the attacker/murderer, I'm curious as to how it affected her and if she still remembers it)

-Teresa Dahl and her brother Stephen

-the entire Magic Rock family

-Stephen Schroyer (sp? the engineer that had the impossible task of stopping the train before it ran over Henry & Ives)

-Alan Mann (still living at that residence?)

-Scott Merz

-Jule Caylor

-"psychic" John Catchings ("my bad, I guess it was William Scott Smith and an accomplice")

Jule Caylor is on Facebook, or at least he was the last time I checked. There's not that much to see, other than a bunch of political ramblings. Apparently he has remarried, since there is or was a woman in his profile picture with him. He's 76 years old now.

John Catchings died in 1992 at age 45.

Definitely a lot of good responses.

Though I should mention UM did partially have a "Where are they now?" episode on the 3rd anniversary special, with Pat Mealbach and Jenny Pratt.

Jule Caylor is on Facebook, or at least he was the last time I checked. There's not that much to see, other than a bunch of political ramblings. Apparently he has remarried, since there is or was a woman in his profile picture with him. He's 76 years old now.

John Catchings died in 1992 at age 45.


thanks

I see. Well, nevermind then about Catchings.

Definitely a lot of good responses.

Though I should mention UM did partially have a "Where are they now?" episode on the 3rd anniversary special, with Pat Mealbach and Jenny Pratt.

True. I always liked Pat Mealbach. The progress Jenny Pratt from the filming of her segment to the taping of the Third Anniversary Special was astronomical. I hope she's doing great today.

I wonder about some of the investigators, too--especially those who made multiple appearances on UM: Paul Renfrow of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, Lt. Ray Biondi of the Sacramento Co Sheriff's Dept, etc.

Snooping around online, I found some little tidbits about her.

Old articles about the shooting say that Carol's real name is Janice Katilius and according to White Pages and Google, there's only one Janice Katilius in the U.S. She's 51 and lives in Connecticut. The age, name and state all match up.

She now lives in East Lyme, Connecticut. That's about 50 miles south of where she was shot. She has a husband Kevin and two daughters, Allison and Christina.

She is the Supervising Clinician at the Department of Children and Families Agency.

http://connecticut-employees.findthebest.com/l/9581/Janice-P-Katilius

She doesn't appear to have a Facebook page. Her daughter Allison has a twitter account, but that's the closest thing I could find.

http://twitter.com/xallikat

I assume there aren't any developments in her attack because they would be posted online.
Wow that is a good update. Thanks. I've always wondered about that. I always thought it was a random act of violence so I don't know that the individual that did this is a danger to her anymore. Hopefully he is off the streets. This is one of the very first episodes that I watched.


Have you heard any updates on the "Debbie" case?

-Gordon Page
-Dorothy Izatt
-I70 Killer
-Paul Stamper

If I could only pick one person, it would hands down be Patricia Carlton/Snyder/Teer. I'm endlessly curious about where she was and how she survived all those years.

Wow that is a good update. Thanks. I've always wondered about that. I always thought it was a random act of violence so I don't know that the individual that did this is a danger to her anymore. Hopefully he is off the streets. This is one of the very first episodes that I watched.

Have you heard any updates on the "Debbie" case?

It was one of the first cases I ever saw as well. And as a 9 year old, it made me scared of every black pickup truck I saw for about a year.

"Debbie" I know nothing about. I would need to learn her real name first before I can research online for any scraps.

True. I always liked Pat Mealbach. The progress Jenny Pratt from the filming of her segment to the taping of the Third Anniversary Special was astronomical. I hope she's doing great today.

I wonder about some of the investigators, too--especially those who made multiple appearances on UM: Paul Renfrow of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, Lt. Ray Biondi of the Sacramento Co Sheriff's Dept, etc.


I remember Biondi pretty much nailed the description of what type of person he thought the "thrill killer" was (starting from the type of gun that was used and going from there) before Eric Leonard was arrested for the murders. I bet he's helped solve a lot of cases. He seemed pretty good at his job.

Diana Nyad from the Alcatraz episode is going to be on Dancing with the Stars this season.

http://gma.yahoo.com/dancing-with-the-stars-2014-season-18-celebrity-cast-announced-225318586.html?vp=1

I'd like to know what became of Crystal, the daughter of Mike Riemer and Diana Robertson.

I'd like to know what became of Crystal, the daughter of Mike Riemer and Diana Robertson.

I think I read that she declined all requests for interviews when Mike's skull was found a few years ago, so it seems she wants to put the whole incident behind her. Would certainly be interested to know, however, if she has any memory at all about how she wound up at the department store that day.

I think I read that she declined all requests for interviews when Mike's skull was found a few years ago, so it seems she wants to put the whole incident behind her. Would certainly be interested to know, however, if she has any memory at all about how she wound up at the department store that day.

Indeed. News clips from when Riemer's skull was found revealed about Crystal only that she was raised by relatives and nothing more. She turns 31 this year.

"Debbie" I know nothing about. I would need to learn her real name first before I can research online for any scraps.
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=217607&highlight=%27%27high+school+reunion%27%27

This thread has some discussion about her real name being found and printed in the newspaper, along with a possible high school reunion picture. I really hope she is doing well today.

A few that have served sentences and were released that I'm curious about:

-Michael Scott Martin, as wiseguy originally brought up (and someone who didn't need to be in prison in the first place)

-Maria Armstrong

-Kay Beeman (I thought I vaguely remember reading somewhere that she passed away, though)

-That dope Eugene Richmond

-Paul Ferrell

A few that have served sentences and were released that I'm curious about:

-Michael Scott Martin, as wiseguy originally brought up (and someone who didn't need to be in prison in the first place)

-Maria Armstrong

-Kay Beeman (I thought I vaguely remember reading somewhere that she passed away, though)

-That dope Eugene Richmond

-Paul Ferrell

Paul Ferrell is a good one. He must have loved when the internet was invented, because he didn't need to call libraries/book stores and have the workers read things from books like a "phone sex thing"...he could just get it for free online.

And I think someone who was related to Michael Scott Martin came on here to post that he was married and happy, but still maintains his innocence.

Paul Ferrell is a good one. He must have loved when the internet was invented, because he didn't need to call libraries/book stores and have the workers read things from books like a "phone sex thing"...he could just get it for free online.

Ick. Back a few months ago when I was reading the brief for State v. Ferrell, I found out exactly what book it was he was asking to be read to him: a revised edition of Our Bodies, Ourselves. Yeech.

I think the only reason Ferrell was paroled was because he was a former police officer. The evidence against him was pretty stacked. The evidence for his innocence just wasn't there.

Semi-OT:

I think that could have been a factor, along with the reality that Ferrell's convictions were made entirely on circumstantial evidence. For whatever reason, there exists this school of thought that circumstantial evidence means no evidence at all. :rolleyes:

What little I have been able to cull of then-Governor Underwood's decision to commute Paul Ferrell's sentence is markedly similar to that of the dissenting justices in Ferrell's 1990 appeal:

(Ferrell's convictions) are not supported by the presence of the alleged victim's body, weapon, eyewitnesses, or physical evidence such as fingerprints, hair and fibers.

The dissenting justices really made a stink over the admission of the phone calls to the bookstores and libraries, claiming that it was prejudicial and ultimately created no motive for the kidnapping of which Ferrell was convicted (although they were silent on the phone calls to local women in which Ferrell asked those women to meet him in locations no more than a half-mile away from where Cathy Ford's burned-out vehicle was found). I feel the majority got it right--it strongly suggests Ferrell was in the habit of obtaining sexual gratification from women who were not voluntary partners, and does suggest a motive for kidnapping.

However, the majority did admit it erred in allowing the "expert" testimony of the FBI agent on Ferrell's body language (the head-nodding thing). It then immediately went on to say that this error was harmless, which the dissent of course jumped all over, being that Ferrell's convictions were made pretty much entirely on circumstantial evidence to begin with.

In any event, I think the State got it right. I don't think Paul Ferrell ever had a prior relationship with Cathy Ford other than a nodding familiarity because their places of employment were so close to one another. Cathy may have stopped in at Paul's parents' store sometimes; Paul may have eaten in Cathy's family's restaurant on occasion. Who knows. But I definitely do not believe those stories about her going over to his trailer and hooking up with him. I think he made that up.

The fact that Ferrell called all those women in the same way he called Cathy Ford tells me he was probably just trolling for someone he could act out a fantasy with. Cathy just happened to finally be the one who actually believed the story he told and showed up. I actually don't think he intended to kill her, or any woman, prior to her arrival--I think he actually believed the scenario he pictured in his head would play out just as he imagined it would. I think when he attempted intimate contact with her, she rebuffed him and out of anger and/or fear for his job and reputation he responded by murdering her.

What's not included in the Final Appeal segment is that before Cathy's Bronco was found on 8 March 1988, Paul Ferrell had called a woman who was organizing search parties for Cathy that he and two other Grant Co Sheriff's Department officers had met with earlier in the day to discuss organizing another search. The woman said that although Paul didn't mention it during the meeting with the other two officers, he told her not to search Bismarck Road or Cherry Ridge Road, stating that the Sheriff's Department had found evidence in those locations, and that they didn't want either scene disrupted.

Well, he was telling the truth in at least one sense: there WAS evidence there. As you know, days later Cathy's vehicle was found along Bismarck Road next to the Stony River near Ferrell's home. On the other side of the river runs Cherry Ridge Road.

How anyone could ever think this guy is innocent is beyond me.

Semi-OT:

I think that could have been a factor, along with the reality that Ferrell's convictions were made entirely on circumstantial evidence. For whatever reason, there exists this school of thought that circumstantial evidence means no evidence at all. :rolleyes:

What little I have been able to cull of then-Governor Underwood's decision to commute Paul Ferrell's sentence is markedly similar to that of the dissenting justices in Ferrell's 1990 appeal:

(Ferrell's convictions) are not supported by the presence of the alleged victim's body, weapon, eyewitnesses, or physical evidence such as fingerprints, hair and fibers.

The dissenting justices really made a stink over the admission of the phone calls to the bookstores and libraries, claiming that it was prejudicial and ultimately created no motive for the kidnapping of which Ferrell was convicted (although they were silent on the phone calls to local women in which Ferrell asked those women to meet him in locations no more than a half-mile away from where Cathy Ford's burned-out vehicle was found). I feel the majority got it right--it strongly suggests Ferrell was in the habit of obtaining sexual gratification from women who were not voluntary partners, and does suggest a motive for kidnapping.

However, the majority did admit it erred in allowing the "expert" testimony of the FBI agent on Ferrell's body language (the head-nodding thing). It then immediately went on to say that this error was harmless, which the dissent of course jumped all over, being that Ferrell's convictions were made pretty much entirely on circumstantial evidence to begin with.

In any event, I think the State got it right. I don't think Paul Ferrell ever had a prior relationship with Cathy Ford other than a nodding familiarity because their places of employment were so close to one another. Cathy may have stopped in at Paul's parents' store sometimes; Paul may have eaten in Cathy's family's restaurant on occasion. Who knows. But I definitely do not believe those stories about her going over to his trailer and hooking up with him. I think he made that up.

The fact that Ferrell called all those women in the same way he called Cathy Ford tells me he was probably just trolling for someone he could act out a fantasy with. Cathy just happened to finally be the one who actually believed the story he told and showed up. I actually don't think he intended to kill her, or any woman, prior to her arrival--I think he actually believed the scenario he pictured in his head would play out just as he imagined it would. I think when he attempted intimate contact with her, she rebuffed him and out of anger and/or fear for his job and reputation he responded by murdering her.

What's not included in the Final Appeal segment is that before Cathy's Bronco was found on 8 March 1988, Paul Ferrell had called a woman who was organizing search parties for Cathy that he and two other Grant Co Sheriff's Department officers had met with earlier in the day to discuss organizing another search. The woman said that although Paul didn't mention it during the meeting with the other two officers, he told her not to search Bismarck Road or Cherry Ridge Road, stating that the Sheriff's Department had found evidence in those locations, and that they didn't want either scene disrupted.

Well, he was telling the truth in at least one sense: there WAS evidence there. As you know, days later Cathy's vehicle was found along Bismarck Road next to the Stony River near Ferrell's home. On the other side of the river runs Cherry Ridge Road.

How anyone could ever think this guy is innocent is beyond me.

That's the best theory I've ever read on Paul Ferrell. I used to think they did have a prior relationship, but now you've got me thinking that they did not know each other at all.

Excellent idea (as usual) Meg! :) I've often thought about this too, especially since (1) it's been 12 years since even the very most recent UM updates, AND the side of their well beings or lives weren't always delved into anyway, so it makes you wonder how they're doing on a day to day basis.

I agree with so many of these. In fact, I've often FB searched people interviewed on UM, just to see what they look like now, or may be up to now, or just more about them. Especially since so many of these people (while average citizens) were like celebs to me as a kid.

My biggest ones:

Christie Mutzfeld - I honestly feel like she was a nice gal simply caught in a bad situation and got a lot of undue blame for Todd's death by his overzealous and wannabe police investigator dad. She has absolutely no profiles online (understandably, she probably wants to stay moved on with her life after that ordeal) and I just hope she's doing better over the years since then.

DJ & Tammy Dean (Roger Dean's wife and daughter) - They must be near 80 and like 50 now, respectively. No matter how you slice the events around it or his involvement, Roger's murder AND the stress of the attempted extortion must've been unimaginable. If DJ is still alive, I hope she was/is able to have a semblence of happiness after this all went down. She and Tammy seemed really close and hopefully still are.

I would've said Arthur Karopoulos, as he seemed like a wonderful cool guy and an excellent father, but he died in 2005 apparently. (:( ) I wonder about his son Nick's life, or Levia's. I wonder if Levia ever contacted any of them later on in the years before Arthur died, and there's no evidence of her online at all, aside from this case! Who knows, she could STILL be living with those crazed Fundie cult members even today!

Teresa Dahl - Matt Chase's roommate and close friend (she looked so 80s and beautiful!). You can tell she was torn apart by Matt's murder, and I always got the feeling she liked him beyond just friends.

I totally agree about Jay Durham. One of the most vicious and senseless attacks by the truck driver, and despite his hardships, he seemed like such a down to earth, cool and nice guy.

Christie Mutzfeld - I honestly feel like she was a nice gal simply caught in a bad situation and got a lot of undue blame for Todd's death by his overzealous and wannabe police investigator dad. She has absolutely no profiles online (understandably, she probably wants to stay moved on with her life after that ordeal) and I just hope she's doing better over the years since then.

She now lives in Florida and when Mahfuz Huq was arrested, she disconnected her phone because of the endless reporters calling for quotes. But that's all the current information that's been posted on her. We know nothing more.

She now lives in Florida and when Mahfuz Huq was arrested, she disconnected her phone because of the endless reporters calling for quotes. But that's all the current information that's been posted on her. We know nothing more.

Wow, I hadn't realized that, but thanks for the info! That would gel with my theory that she wants to probably leave the pain and horrible experience of that part of her life behind...and I can't blame her one bit. I know that journalists and reporters have a job to do, but they should've taken the hint and not been that incessant. I'm sure the segment being in reruns as late as 2006/07 didn't help matters about her privacy either.

She has a very unique name, so the reporters probably had an easy time finding her too. In any event, I just hope she's happy and content with her current life, as much as possible now.

OK, in addition to Pat Sneed, I'd also love to know what happened to Lucxi.

Well, since it's been confirmed in the Wendy Camp thread that Chad Noe's whereabouts are unknown these days, I'd like to add him to this list. I'm REALLY curious to know how he reacted when the bodies were found last year and I'm actually surprised he hasn't done something stupid to implicate himself since then.

Sarah Powell. Wonder if she still has seizures, or if she's let her family know by now that it was all an act.

Sarah Powell. Wonder if she still has seizures, or if she's let her family know by now that it was all an act.

About three years ago, unsolved88 found a place where she posted online about having a near death experience when she was knocked unconscious by the intruders.

She also said that she had and encounter with a guardian angel. He's british and wears an oversized white top hat.

It's on a forum called the Hawaii Cannabis Ministry. They have a lot of topics outside the mainstream regarding how to incorporate cannabis use into many aspects of your life, such as your religion, sex life, healthcare, exercise routine. There's even a cannabis themed movie script section. These folks really really like their sacred herb. :)

Here's their main forum page. IIRC, her post was in the NDE section, but I think you have to be a member to view it now.

http://www.thc-ministry.org/forum/index.php?

I did see that, but I wasn't 100% sure it was actually written by Sarah or something Sarah actually related to someone. But if it is from her, that makes the story all the more unbelievable.

Well, since it's been confirmed in the Wendy Camp thread that Chad Noe's whereabouts are unknown these days, I'd like to add him to this list. I'm REALLY curious to know how he reacted when the bodies were found last year and I'm actually surprised he hasn't done something stupid to implicate himself since then.


Aisha actually wrote that Chad Noe's whereabouts ARE known right now, but she doesn't seem confident that he'll be arrested. Here's an excerpt of what she wrote in the update thread regarding them:

"To all who replied I'll answer in one reply.. As long as it isn't considered to be a long rant or a rave... Chads whereabouts are known. To me and left as well as osbi... Supposedly he's passed multiple lie detector tests..."

Aisha actually wrote that Chad Noe's whereabouts ARE known right now, but she doesn't seem confident that he'll be arrested. Here's an excerpt of what she wrote in the update thread regarding them:

"To all who replied I'll answer in one reply.. As long as it isn't considered to be a long rant or a rave... Chads whereabouts are known. To me and left as well as osbi... Supposedly he's passed multiple lie detector tests..."

:eek:

"To all who replied I'll answer in one reply.. As long as it isn't considered to be a long rant or a rave... Chads whereabouts are known. To me and left as well as osbi... Supposedly he's passed multiple lie detector tests..."

Wow, that's pretty shocking! Judging from his nervous UM interview, Chad Noe strikes me as someone who would fail a lie detector test if he was innocent!

Wow, that's pretty shocking! Judging from his nervous UM interview, Chad Noe strikes me as someone who would fail a lie detector test if he was innocent!

Congratulations, RobinW, you've won the internet for the day. :yippee:

SO TRUE.

Good to hear that Annette's daughters are doing well.

I haven't been able to find much information about Jay, he resided in Fulton, Missouri at some point (his actual name seems to be Lawrence J. Durham). He was featured in a 1994 article that mentions the filming of the UM segment in Arkansas: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=19941218&id=ysYfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kdgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2741,7826574 . It sounds like he had went through a rough patch, so hopefully he's doing better.

Janni Smith Petrovska became a RN and worked with her husband at his rehabilitation center in Irvine, CA which is now closed. There was an online article a few years back which mentioned that she was in medical school (she may have been divorced), but I'm unable to find it now. Richard Minns plys his trade as a sculptor (I think someone posted his work here) and published a book about great he is: http://www.minnsart.com/

Sadly, Jay Durham died very recently, on February 11, 2014. He was 66. At least I'm 99% sure this is him, even though it would appear that his name is actually Lawrence M. Durham. The first link is the obituary and the second is for a general public record search that alternately shows his name as Lawrence M. Durham, Jay M. Durham, or Lawrence J. Durham.

http://www.maupinfuneralhome.com/Obituaries

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/preview.aspx?searchtype=people-name&item-id=OP-22447396&fn=Lawrence&mn=J&ln=Durham&city=Fulton&state=MO&age=&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=

Janni Smith Petrovska became a RN and worked with her husband at his rehabilitation center in Irvine, CA which is now closed. There was an online article a few years back which mentioned that she was in medical school (she may have been divorced), but I'm unable to find it now. Richard Minns plys his trade as a sculptor (I think someone posted his work here) and published a book about great he is: http://www.minnsart.com/

Janni/Jannike Petrovska now runs the "Humpty Dumpty House Foundation" in Loma Linda, CA: WEBSITE (http://www.humptydumptyhouse.org/#!vstc1=about-us-r/vstc0=about-us) and FACEBOOK (https://www.facebook.com/HumptyDumptyHouse)
It looks like she had to abandon her dream of becoming a doctor due to becoming (her quote) "bedridden from the effects of third degree burns, inhalation injuries, pressure sores, poverty, and isolation". She's been through so much pain yet always turns her personal tragedies into help for others.

And Minns... :angryfire

Janni/Jannike Petrovska now runs the "Humpty Dumpty House Foundation" in Loma Linda, CA: WEBSITE (http://www.humptydumptyhouse.org/#!vstc1=about-us-r/vstc0=about-us) and FACEBOOK (https://www.facebook.com/HumptyDumptyHouse)
It looks like she had to abandon her dream of becoming a doctor due to becoming (her quote) "bedridden from the effects of third degree burns, inhalation injuries, pressure sores, poverty, and isolation". She's been through so much pain yet always turns her personal tragedies into help for others.

And Minns... :angryfire

whoa! Welcome back MortyMusyBody, long time no see.

Sad to hear that about her. Especially since Minns has never coughed up a dime to my knowledge.

whoa! Welcome back MortyMusyBody, long time no see.

Sad to hear that about her. Especially since Minns has never coughed up a dime to my knowledge.

Aw thanks, it's nice to be remembered! I hadn't logged in since 2009, but I've been lurking. :winkgrin

Minns just infuriates me, he's living the high life abroad as an "artist" and was never punished for his actions. Looks like he had prostate cancer in 2003 (karma...I hope it was painful)...oops, I better not say anything else, he might send one of his goons to shoot me while I'm making a donut run.

I always felt a little bad for his wife Mimi...granted it seemed like a pretty loveless marriage, but still. It looks like she enjoys reading mysteries and thrillers (http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/1WBGXETCEUNDN?itemPerPage=25) (too bad she was forced to live one in real life).

Can't believe I forgot Johnny Lee Wilson!

He's 48 this year and I hope his life was able to return to being (somewhat) normal and peaceful after he got released from jail back in 1994. I did some searching awhile ago, and his grandma died in '96 (thankfully she lived long enough to see Johnny released and have a little more time with him).

His mom must be in her 70s now, I wonder if he still lives with her, and if something does/has happened to her, hopefully he has somewhere he can go.

I did some reading about him before, and his life sounded like it was tough enough even before the crime he was railroaded and accused of (i.e. getting teased and discriminated at workplaces), and to have some townspeople think he was guilty must've been horrible on top of it.

Chances are he still lives in the same town, I hope somebody that knows him might stumble across this board so we can know how he's doing more recently.

Sadly, Jay Durham died very recently, on February 11, 2014. He was 66. At least I'm 99% sure this is him, even though it would appear that his name is actually Lawrence M. Durham. The first link is the obituary and the second is for a general public record search that alternately shows his name as Lawrence M. Durham, Jay M. Durham, or Lawrence J. Durham.

http://www.maupinfuneralhome.com/Obituaries

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/preview.aspx?searchtype=people-name&item-id=OP-22447396&fn=Lawrence&mn=J&ln=Durham&city=Fulton&state=MO&age=&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=

That's very sad news if Jay died just weeks ago. :( The age and aliases seem to match up. I wonder if any longterm effects of his injuries may have even hastened his death. In any event, I just hope his last 20 years were as good as could possibly be. He seemed like a pretty positive guy, despite all that had happened to him.

Betty Thompson, the former prison guard interviewed in the Jesslyn Rich segment.

Excellent idea (as usual) Meg! :) I've often thought about this too, especially since (1) it's been 12 years since even the very most recent UM updates, AND the side of their well beings or lives weren't always delved into anyway, so it makes you wonder how they're doing on a day to day basis.

I agree with so many of these. In fact, I've often FB searched people interviewed on UM, just to see what they look like now, or may be up to now, or just more about them. Especially since so many of these people (while average citizens) were like celebs to me as a kid.

My biggest ones: [snip]


Teresa Dahl - Matt Chase's roommate and close friend (she looked so 80s and beautiful!). You can tell she was torn apart by Matt's murder, and I always got the feeling she liked him beyond just friends.

I totally agree about Jay Durham. One of the most vicious and senseless attacks by the truck driver, and despite his hardships, he seemed like such a down to earth, cool and nice guy.

Teresa Dahl - good call, man. That poor girl. I always really felt for her, and I too felt she and Matt had a really special relationship, one way or another. I hope she's doing well.

Sad to hear that Jay Durham has left us. What a brave, good dude.

I would add Michaela Garecht to the list. After the miracle of Jaycee Dugard, I want to hope Michaela is out there, too. Despite the slim chance, her mother keeps a really touching blog, just in case.

Sarah Powell. By now people would know if she was faking or not.

-Gail Delano's kids
-Jenny Pratt
-Eric and Pam Ellender's daughter (I seriously hope she's doing OK)
-Gordon Page Jr.

-Gail Delano's kids

I actually think I did find the younger of Gail's sons once. I think he still lives in Maine and is either a marathoner or a triathlete--or both.

-Eric and Pam Ellender's daughter (I seriously hope she's doing OK)

I have always wondered about her, too. I read an article published a few years after the murders and it relayed that she was being raised by Eric's parents in Texas.

Betty Thompson, the former prison guard interviewed in the Jesslyn Rich segment.

I'd love to know about Betty, too. I really liked her, it was amazing how brave she was to come out against the tide and expose so much corruption among the other prison guards, even at her own peril. They were clearly serious and she narrowly escaped that attempted drive-by outside her own house, although I imagine if they'd followed up on any threats, we would've known about it in another update. So I'm really hoping she was safe from then forward (maybe her ex-employers and co-workers backed off once UM aired the segment nationally in 1992) and has some degree of peace in her life now.

Sadly, Jay Durham died very recently, on February 11, 2014. He was 66. At least I'm 99% sure this is him, even though it would appear that his name is actually Lawrence M. Durham. The first link is the obituary and the second is for a general public record search that alternately shows his name as Lawrence M. Durham, Jay M. Durham, or Lawrence J. Durham.


I wasn't sure if it was the same guy or two different men..if it's him, I hope he had a good life in his later years. Would have loved seeing one of those biker build off shows custom build a motorcycle for him.

Janni/Jannike Petrovska now runs the "Humpty Dumpty House Foundation" in Loma Linda, CA: WEBSITE and FACEBOOK
It looks like she had to abandon her dream of becoming a doctor due to becoming (her quote) "bedridden from the effects of third degree burns, inhalation injuries, pressure sores, poverty, and isolation". She's been through so much pain yet always turns her personal tragedies into help for others.


I hated reading that, but she always seems to be a resilient woman, she's someone that deserves a lot of happiness in her life. Unfortunately Minns gets to live out a comfortable old age.

I believe that Lisa Bishop's mother passed away. Last time I checked, Paul Cornwell still lives in GA and was an advocate for ending marijuana prohibition. He mentioned Lisa in an article a few years back. I always liked the guy for how much effort he put into finding her.

Rose Hoffman would be around 78 now, if she's still alive.

To add: I'd really like to know what happened to Michael Cline and Richard Bare, since it's a good possibility that both are still living and received assistance from their relatives.

Bashir from the L'Enfant segment. I would guess he's not receiving the phone calls anymore in this day and age (they would be pretty easily traced) and I hope that he is having a good life.

Judy Olive. That segment kills me every time. Alexander looked like such a sweet, adorable boy. RS put it best--that entire situation with Ulysses Roberson and the cult was a nothing less than a "freakish journey".

I'm actually very curious about the current whereabouts of Franklin Alfred Smith, who was tried for the murder of Eileen Mangold, but was acquitted by the WORST JURY EVER even though his DNA was all over the murder scene. I think the guy had 17 prior convictions, so I've always had a sick feeling that he's gone on to harm other people since his acquittal.

I'm actually very curious about the current whereabouts of Franklin Alfred Smith, who was tried for the murder of Eileen Mangold, but was acquitted by the WORST JURY EVER even though his DNA was all over the murder scene. I think the guy had 17 prior convictions, so I've always had a sick feeling that he's gone on to harm other people since his acquittal.

slight correction: acquitted by the state with the worst juries ever.

I definitely wonder what Mr. Megadeth is up to these days.

Colleen Ritter.

She was always someone I admired through her interview. Especially when she said she has always felt strong and despite Rick Church taking so much away from her, she refused to let him take anything more from her so she was going to go on living her life. She couldn't have been older than 19 at the time of that interview and she showed more strength than I ever could.

A little research online says she is 43 and married to a man named Wayne Geils. She never left the area by much. She now lives in Hebron, Illinois which is just 10 miles from Woodstock. She works at Alden Hebron High School as a Computer/Media Specialist. I think that means computer teacher but I'm not exactly sure.

That profile indicates she must be doing well. I hope she is happy.

Miriam.. the woman who was abused and then put in a foster home. Some people think she made up her foster parents. This story was interesting to me and I am really curious of these parents even existed. (IMO, they didn’t.)

I cannot remember her name, but she was a pretty woman with long blonde hair, and she was interviewed in a segment, I think she may have been an artist that drew composites?....

I would really like to know how Sharita Harding and Laharriet Crowder are doing.

I cannot remember her name, but she was a pretty woman with long blonde hair, and she was interviewed in a segment, I think she may have been an artist that drew composites?.....

Jeannie Boylan? She appeared in at least a couple of segments. Offhand, I think it was the Brazos River Attack and Jonathan Francia.

I definitely wonder what Mr. Megadeth is up to these days.

No doubt warning smokers of the dangers of smoking and mourning that Megadeth hasn't put out a good album since "Rust In Peace".

No doubt warning smokers of the dangers of smoking and mourning that Megadeth hasn't put out a good album since "Rust In Peace".

I hope he's still driving that sweet van.

Ironic that Minns had prostate cancer and died in 2016 in England, and Dudley Bell's evil side-kick, Adrian Franks of Houston, Texas died in 2018 of cancer, so I just heard. What kind of evil beast would tap someone's phone and record it, follow an innocent lady around, attempt to kill her 3 times, and after all that, his spy tactics led his replacement assassins to Barbra Piotrowski. Pure Evil. Glad his evil spirit has left this world!


Aw thanks, it's nice to be remembered! I hadn't logged in since 2009, but I've been lurking. :winkgrin

Minns just infuriates me, he's living the high life abroad as an "artist" and was never punished for his actions. Looks like he had prostate cancer in 2003 (karma...I hope it was painful)...oops, I better not say anything else, he might send one of his goons to shoot me while I'm making a donut run.

I always felt a little bad for his wife Mimi...granted it seemed like a pretty loveless marriage, but still. It looks like she enjoys reading mysteries and thrillers (http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/1WBGXETCEUNDN?itemPerPage=25) (too bad she was forced to live one in real life).

Would really llke to know where William Bradford Bishop is these days :)