It seems whenever there is an UM segment about a horse it is extra creepy. There are those couple segments where a woman died due to her horse acting crazy, but the other one consisted of a husband who pretended his wife died in a horse accident, but was later convicted, caught in Phillipines, and returned for prison. Those horse ones were not that scary.

*But the horse segment with that trucker who pulled up while the father and son were eating breakfast was a bit too scary and eerie for me. Just think - they live out in the middle of nowhere and this stranger arrives at their front yard asking about a horse that was not for sale! (The other horse segment was even more scary - Tom Dixon who killed that businessman over a horse and his remains found in the cave by a man who had 'feelings' about something wrong with that old hill in the back of the bus).

That horse segment where the father left his son never to return - he was seen apparently in Texas or down south by a former friend and also by the female bartender. They said it was him. However, I disagree. This is my opinion. I think there are several UM segments where eyewitnesses claim 100% that they saw the missing student, or missing father, or missing murdered girl, like the 'Lill Miss' episode. Many times they are wrong. Sometimes they are correct. For the most part there are plenty of people who look like others.

I think most eye witness accounts on UM (and other shows) are false and that its a mistake made by the person reporting it. Do you agree? Do you think many eyewitness accounts are wrong? There are plenty of people who claim to see a most wanted person as their former neighbor, current neighbor, or in a city that turn out to be true and the suspect is caught. Yet it seems like missing innocent people never turn up, despite being seen all over the country. The guilty get caught, while the missing remain so.

I think most eye witness accounts on UM (and other shows) are false and that its a mistake made by the person reporting it. Do you agree? Do you think many eyewitness accounts are wrong? There are plenty of people who claim to see a most wanted person as their former neighbor, current neighbor, or in a city that turn out to be true and the suspect is caught. Yet it seems like missing innocent people never turn up, despite being seen all over the country. The guilty get caught, while the missing remain so.

Yep, I believe the majority of eyewitnesses in missing persons cases were mistaken. When someone out of the blue abandons family and loved ones and then randomly show up in another part of the country partying it up, I find it a little too hard to believe. JMO.

When someone out of the blue abandons family and loved ones and then randomly show up in another part of the country partying it up, I find it a little too hard to believe. JMO.

Well, we did have Scott Hill. :p

I believe most of them are simply mistaken. Remember the one with the teenage girl seen on surveillance camera? Her parents swore up and down it was their missing daughter, only for it to turn out later that she had been killed, along with her boyfriend, by Angel Resendiz aka the railway killer and could never have been in that video.

Sorry I can't give her name; don't remember. Think it was Wendy, but I can't remember the last name.

I believe most of them are simply mistaken. Remember the one with the teenage girl seen on surveillance camera? Her parents swore up and down it was their missing daughter, only for it to turn out later that she had been killed, along with her boyfriend, by Angel Resendiz aka the railway killer and could never have been in that video.

Sorry I can't give her name; don't remember. Think it was Wendy, but I can't remember the last name.
I'm also reminded of Keri Lynn Nixon. The girl in the New Kids on the Block video totally looks like her and even has similar piercings. But Keri was murdered on the same night she vanished. :( I believe a lot of eyewitnesses have made honest mistakes.

I also think the horse case the OP mentioned, with Leonard Derickson, was a case of mistaken identity. I don't think Leonard Derickson was the one ''hanging out'' (Anyone get a kick out of RS saying that? :lol: ) at the bar. I think the guy made a mistake and the woman at the bar did, too. They probably really thought it was him. Maybe this gentleman had similar facial hair and was a dead ringer for him. I also think any sightings of Melissa Jo Sermons were people mistaken for her, just like the Dede Rosenthal case. The woman in the bar was certain and I think she was well-meaning, but Dede's killer confessed to killing her the same weekend she vanished.

I also think the horse case the OP mentioned, with Leonard Derickson, was a case of mistaken identity. I don't think Leonard Derickson was the one ''hanging out'' (Anyone get a kick out of RS saying that? :lol: ) at the bar. I think the guy made a mistake and the woman at the bar did, too. They probably really thought it was him. Maybe this gentleman had similar facial hair and was a dead ringer for him.

That's such an underrated case and one of my favorites. I really have no inkling or feeling at all what could have happened there. The truck pulling up to the remotely located house, the breakfast meeting at the restaurant, the supposed Amarillo bar sighting--it's bizarre. The financial situation kind of bothers me. I've always kind of felt like whatever happened to Leonard was probably related to that.

That's such an underrated case and one of my favorites. I really have no inkling or feeling at all what could have happened there. The truck pulling up to the remotely located house, the breakfast meeting at the restaurant, the supposed Amarillo bar sighting--it's bizarre. The financial situation kind of bothers me. I've always kind of felt like whatever happened to Leonard was probably related to that.
It is a really fascinating case. I think the breakfast sighting is legitimate (I know the police found it weird that Leonard would eat breakfast twice, but maybe the man was hungry and Leonard wanted to be polite. And it gave them a place to discuss business, I suppose). The suspect is so puzzling. It apparently wasn't easy to find Leonard's farm, so he would have needed precise directions AND the horse in question wasn't advertised. But if the guy was out to hurt Leonard from the start, why go to breakfast and be seen with him in public?

I think you're onto something with the financial angle. Maybe Leonard made up the horse story so he could talk to this guy about some sort of shady deal that he didn't want his son to know about. I think this makes the most sense-- that Leonard knew this guy and that's why he hopped in the car with him. But I think that either way, he planned on returning that same day. According to Charley Project, Leonard told his son that not only did the guy want to see the horse, but that he planned to travel with the man to Elk City, OK and Mobeetie, TX. Why would he want to do that with some guy he had never seen before?

I'm also reminded of Keri Lynn Nixon. The girl in the New Kids on the Block video totally looks like her and even has similar piercings. But Keri was murdered on the same night she vanished. :( I believe a lot of eyewitnesses have made honest mistakes.


There's an Inside Edition segment from the early '90's on another site that did a run-through of Kari's case. They interviewed the girl that was mistaken for Kari-Lynn. She might have resembled her from a distance but when you see her up close, she really doesn't look like her at all.

Well, we did have Scott Hill. :p

And I forgot about Alex Cooper too!

There's an Inside Edition segment from the early '90's on another site that did a run-through of Kari's case. They interviewed the girl that was mistaken for Kari-Lynn. She might have resembled her from a distance but when you see her up close, she really doesn't look like her at all.
I always suspected the same thing. The video was pretty blurry. The idea that a runaway would be at a rock concert is pretty silly anyway, most would be lucky to be living under a bridge.

Many people swore up and down that they saw Lisa Marie Kimmell's little car with the personalized plates all over the place, with a young woman driving it, during the time Lisa was missing.

It was impossible for their eyewitness accounts to be correct because her kidnapper dug a hole on his property and buried her car in it.

Many people swore up and down that they saw Lisa Marie Kimmell's little car with the personalized plates all over the place, with a young woman driving it, during the time Lisa was missing.



I still believe those people, though. It's easier to remember a license plate than a person's face. Obviously I don't believe it was Lisa Kimmel driving her car after she was dead, but the killer could have buried her car later on.

I still believe those people, though. It's easier to remember a license plate than a person's face. Obviously I don't believe it was Lisa Kimmel driving her car after she was dead, but the killer could have buried her car later on.

I considered that too. I thought maybe the kidnapper had let his son or his son's girlfriend use the car for a while (and didn't he give his son the seats out of it or something like that, to use in his truck?), but I thought the book had more info that explained what happened to her car, and it was done quickly, so the sightings couldn't have been correct.

My copy is packed, anyone else remember if the book was clear on when Lisa's car was definitely removed from the rest area and hidden on Eaton's property? You guys know me, I could definitely be confused on the details. :crazy:

In Dan Wilson's disappearance, a homeless shelter in Billings, MT, believed that he had stayed there after abandoning his car. That doesn't seem to have been the case, since his remains were later discovered five miles away from the vehicle.

Charles Horvath's disappearance also has some strange sightings. His friend that was interviewed on UM actually claimed to have seen him twice after he disappeared from the campground (not just at her home as the segment portrayed), the last time at a nightclub in August of 1989: http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=2099.msg28472#msg28472

I thought we'd discussed this topic before.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=296920&highlight=wrong

Here are some that were mentioned:


Dede Rosenthal - bartender who saw her with brown hair then bleached hair, before and after the woman took a supposed trip to FL, turns out Dede had been murdered before those sightings and her body has never been found

Tom Roche - motorcycle shop owner says he saw Tom after he went missing (police think he's mistaken about the date of the sighting)

Gail Delano - truck driver who said she had "that northern accent pretty bad"

John Cheek - truck driver who thought he gave him a ride

Wanda Jean Mays - died the night of her incident and eyewitnesses seeing her later were mistaken

Angela Hammond - unconfirmed sightings after her disappearance were probably wrong

Cynthia Britto - sightings of her after she went missing were wrong, as it appears she, her mom Wendy Camp, and her aunt Lisa Kreagear were all killed and buried together the day they were last seen

David Dowaliby - the witness who said he'd seen David's nose in the dark a mile away, and got him convicted of murder

Because I'm too lazy to go digging around boxes in my basement (I have 3 family's furniture stored down there!), I looked up my old comments here that I made after I read the book on Lisa Kimmell's murder.

Now, I actually DO want to go downstairs and dig through the boxes to find it. I forgot how good the book was until I read the old comments.

Officials don't actually know for sure how Eaton got her car to his property. Eaton's story is that Lisa was lurking around his place with the intent of stealing his stuff and that's how he came to be in possession of her car. Can you believe it! What a nasty lying pig.

Authorities think that what really happened is that he abducted her from the rest area where she had stopped off, by forcibly taking her at gunpoint. A shell casing was found in her car.

Since he was known to tow cars regularly, they think he got Lisa subdued at the rest area and trapped in his truck, then hooked her car up to his tow vehicle and drove off. Towing the car would explain how her car got from the expressway to Eaton's house without any more miles showing on the odometer. (The whole family always used their trip odometers.)

There couldn't have been actual sightings of Lisa's car during the time people said they saw it because her odometer showed exactly the distance it would be expected to show at that point in her trip. It didn't even have enough extra miles on the odometer to show that it had been driven from the rest area to Eaton's property.

I was thinking maybe he had his son or other accomplice (involved in the crime either knowingly or unknowingly) drive her car or that he went back and got her car the next day, but to that's highly unlikely. The mileage on her trip odometer is how they came up with the theory that he towed it there on the day of the abduction and it never left his property after that.

if the killer killed Lisa right away then used her car for a while, I doubt he would have another girl or accomplice drive it around. he would want to bury the girl and car at the same time right away.

yes, a few people saw a car that looked like lisa's and I bet there is more than just one teenage girl who has personalized plates that says "lill miss" as that was a popular saying or nick name. also, there are many cars back then (and today) that looked liked hers. there is no way that was her car after she got kidnapped. the killer would not want her car and plates to be driving around the state or country. heck he would not even want her car with fake plates on it to be driving around cause they could still track the vin number or tire treads.

I still believe those people, though. It's easier to remember a license plate than a person's face. Obviously I don't believe it was Lisa Kimmel driving her car after she was dead, but the killer could have buried her car later on.

I can totally understand when there is a murder story the odd question about the suspect eating breakfast TWICE. However, maybe he had a complete breakfast and his second breakfast only ate a cinnamon roll and coffee. I am thinking that is what happened. Even though I was not there I highly doubt Leonard had a full breakfast of eggs, sausage, and toast first with his son, then forty minutes later have another complete breakfast consisting of a breakfast omelet, strips of beacon, and pancakes.

I think the UM show just overdid it there with the breakfast thing lol. Yes, it makes sense for them to question this because the timing of everything before he went missing is needed to move to the next step of the case.

Did the waitress say she saw Leonard order a full breakfast or not? wish she would go into detail. There are a few times where I would order 3 sausage egg mcmuffins and 2 breakfast burritos from McDonalds for breakfast because I never ate anything the night before for supper and was super hungry. That is pretty much 2 breakfasts at once for me!


It is a really fascinating case. I think the breakfast sighting is legitimate (I know the police found it weird that Leonard would eat breakfast twice, but maybe the man was hungry and Leonard wanted to be polite. And it gave them a place to discuss business, I suppose). The suspect is so puzzling. It apparently wasn't easy to find Leonard's farm, so he would have needed precise directions AND the horse in question wasn't advertised. But if the guy was out to hurt Leonard from the start, why go to breakfast and be seen with him in public?

I think you're onto something with the financial angle. Maybe Leonard made up the horse story so he could talk to this guy about some sort of shady deal that he didn't want his son to know about. I think this makes the most sense-- that Leonard knew this guy and that's why he hopped in the car with him. But I think that either way, he planned on returning that same day. According to Charley Project, Leonard told his son that not only did the guy want to see the horse, but that he planned to travel with the man to Elk City, OK and Mobeetie, TX. Why would he want to do that with some guy he had never seen before?

I don't believe that part where you said his dad knew the mysteries killer. I do not think the boy's dad would lie to his son when he asked his son "do you know that guy who just pulled up". Stuff like that I doubt dads would suddenly act fake. When a stranger approaches one's house, especially in the country, it is automatic for everyone to wonder who in the blue hell is that. Today with GPS and cell phones it would be easy for a stranger to find a house in the middle of nowhere, then again finding houses today is still difficult at times.

Perhaps the killer tried a couple times to find this mans farm but got lost. Then he finally was able to find the place. Some killers practice their route or routine before killing a stranger. I think the killer heard by word of mouth that Leonard was thinking of selling his horse. Leonard did not want to give up the horse yet because he loved it, so he expressed his story to his relatives and neighbors. Then the killer heard this countryman may be selling his horse someday when overhearing a conversation at a bar or restaurant. The killer will then ask the people at the bar where does this guy live and they say "oh that's leonard who lives on 27th oak hill 3 blocks south of here followed by 2 more country blocks and follow the dirt road up 200 yards.

It is a really fascinating case. I think the breakfast sighting is legitimate (I know the police found it weird that Leonard would eat breakfast twice, but maybe the man was hungry and Leonard wanted to be polite. And it gave them a place to discuss business, I suppose). The suspect is so puzzling. It apparently wasn't easy to find Leonard's farm, so he would have needed precise directions AND the horse in question wasn't advertised. But if the guy was out to hurt Leonard from the start, why go to breakfast and be seen with him in public?

I think you're onto something with the financial angle. Maybe Leonard made up the horse story so he could talk to this guy about some sort of shady deal that he didn't want his son to know about. I think this makes the most sense-- that Leonard knew this guy and that's why he hopped in the car with him. But I think that either way, he planned on returning that same day. According to Charley Project, Leonard told his son that not only did the guy want to see the horse, but that he planned to travel with the man to Elk City, OK and Mobeetie, TX. Why would he want to do that with some guy he had never seen before?

I thought we'd discussed this topic before.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=296920&highlight=wrong

Here are some that were mentioned:


Dede Rosenthal - bartender who saw her with brown hair then bleached hair, before and after the woman took a supposed trip to FL, turns out Dede had been murdered before those sightings and her body has never been found

Tom Roche - motorcycle shop owner says he saw Tom after he went missing (police think he's mistaken about the date of the sighting)

Gail Delano - truck driver who said she had "that northern accent pretty bad"

John Cheek - truck driver who thought he gave him a ride

Wanda Jean Mays - died the night of her incident and eyewitnesses seeing her later were mistaken

Angela Hammond - unconfirmed sightings after her disappearance were probably wrong

Cynthia Britto - sightings of her after she went missing were wrong, as it appears she, her mom Wendy Camp, and her aunt Lisa Kreagear were all killed and buried together the day they were last seen

David Dowaliby - the witness who said he'd seen David's nose in the dark a mile away, and got him convicted of murder

Did they ever find him or his remains? This one seemed the most believable to me (compared to the other missing person cases)

Did they ever find him or his remains? This one seemed the most believable to me (compared to the other missing person cases)

His family had him legally declared dead in 2000, but other than that they have never found any remains.