It sounds like one of the scariest segments ever but never saw it. The Farina version if it exists is the only chance I will have

It was pretty creepy. I've only seen the case once and it was with stack in the 90s I think. As far as I know it wasn't solved so hopefully they added it to the farina lineup, but I haven't seen one so not sure. A friend of mine is looking for his vhs collection to see what um episodes he may have. I'm hoping he has it somewhere.

I have never seen this segment, so I don't know if it was remade into a Farina segment or not....but I will tell you what I do know about this segment. A couple of years ago I stumbled across a site (and I posted the info here, maybe if you do a search you can find it?) describing how the Teresa woman from the segment made the whole thing up, how she has spent her entire life trying to scam/cheat the world to get ahead, and that LE do not believe her at ALL anymore....apparently LE thinks she made the whole attack up. Here is the link that had this information:
http://keepitrealteresa.blogspot.ca/

Never seen it on the Farina version. I've seen it one time on a Lifetime rerun when Stack was the host. I want to say it was a segment done around the 96-98 seasons.

I have never seen this segment, so I don't know if it was remade into a Farina segment or not....but I will tell you what I do know about this segment. A couple of years ago I stumbled across a site (and I posted the info here, maybe if you do a search you can find it?) describing how the Teresa woman from the segment made the whole thing up, how she has spent her entire life trying to scam/cheat the world to get ahead, and that LE do not believe her at ALL anymore....apparently LE thinks she made the whole attack up. Here is the link that had this information:
http://keepitrealteresa.blogspot.ca/

I remember reading that she may have been lying about what happened, but can't recall the details. I think there may be some discussion on this board regarding the veracity of her account.

I need to dig around here a bit and see if I can find the thread.

Well phooey.

I searched using "theresa" and "Brazos River" and variations of those with some other words, and didn't really find a thread where we were discussing the case.

Maybe I just read the blog and imagined that we talked about it here? I dunno, but I thought for sure that we had some In Depth discussion about this case.

What was it called on UM? Maybe I can search using the name of the segment and see if there's any info there.

Also, I think the movie "river wild" or "the river wild" was about this case so I'm off to search using those words.....

I'm useless.

I searched all over here and couldn't find any real discussion about the brazos river case, just references to the blog.

BTW, the link upthread doesn't work for me so I did a search and found it here:

http://keepitrealteresa.blogspot.com/

and even that one gave me an error message at first and I had to try again.

Looked this one up on the UM wiki...if the 7 year old witnessed the whole thing, was he questioned at all by police? Kinda odd there was no mention of that (as far as I could see, anyway). That blog is kind of an eyesore in terms of formatting, so could anyone who read it relay the information to us in, y'know, readable format? :D

I'm useless.

I searched all over here and couldn't find any real discussion about the brazos river case, just references to the blog.

BTW, the link upthread doesn't work for me so I did a search and found it here:

http://keepitrealteresa.blogspot.com/

and even that one gave me an error message at first and I had to try again.

Thanks for reposting the link. It defaulted to ".ca" for me, probably because it could tell my location is Canada.
As for the discussion about the River Wild segment, I found a couple of posts here:
do you think any UM cases could have been an inspiration for certain movies?

Read more: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/search.php?searchid=2333987#ixzz2rMMkRHrS

Within that thread, there is another link. I doesn't look like we really had a big discussion, though, it appears to be a couple of posts from me with a few responses :)

Looked this one up on the UM wiki...if the 7 year old witnessed the whole thing, was he questioned at all by police? Kinda odd there was no mention of that (as far as I could see, anyway). That blog is kind of an eyesore in terms of formatting, so could anyone who read it relay the information to us in, y'know, readable format? :D

That's exactly what I thought: I wonder if they did question the son. He was probably too young to understand what rape or even sex was, but he could have either backed up or denied her account of the men even being there. The article was hard to read.

I remember first hearing about the possibility she made the whole up a little while ago, but didn't get much more info. Pretty wild, and I'd have to get more info to make a decision. TracyLynn: I'm sure there are quite a few threads on this subject, I'll see if I can find them. I need to rewatch the segment.

EDIT: Found a few threads, one of which is below. I don't think any of them have good descriptors in their title, for example: I couldn't find any with the name "Teresa" in it, so that's probably why they are hard to find.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=259152&highlight=teresa

So there is no Farina version ? Crap. Hope someone uploads the Stack version somewhere....

I've wondered about this pretty often, was there any evidence that it was true, and if it was why was the suspect never identified?

If anyone has this episode, please PM me.

I haven't seen it since lifetime mid 2000s. But It used to feature a lot then. It was a terrible crime if it did happen. I don't doubt that it did but I would be interested to know if her son does recall what happened and if he ever discussed the topic. My guess would be no.

I have been looking for this segment for a long time but I have never found it anywhere. The sketches look scary as f***.

I saw it years ago on the forbidden site. Someone posted hours worth of footage that it was mixed into. The video was since removed

I'm thinking there are 3 possibilities with this one.

-She actually was raped and her and her son were held hostage all day just like the UM segment shows.
-She had consensual sex with one of the men, her son saw it, and she made up the rape story out of embarrassment.
-She made the entire story up.

According to that blog about "exposing" Teresa, they say that Texas LE agencies concluded that she made it all up. I don't know how true it is, but the lack of any sort of follow up for this story from a LE perspective tells me that they don't believe her story.

I wonder how true that blog really is though. It's obvious whoever put that together has some sort of beef with this woman.

It's been a while since I went to that blog, but here's a thought.

If she made it up, her business partner at the Private Investigator Company would have to be at least partially in on the lie as well, right? What would his motive for lying be?

One thing that stuck out to me was when he talks about his interactions over time with the owners of the canoe rental company. He talks about at first they remembered the men quite well, then they knew them, but they weren't regulars, then they couldn't really remember them, eventually couldn't remember her or her son even.

If her story is a lie, the "convenient amnesia" on the part of the business owners wouldn't be true. Although maybe they just got sick of him coming around asking questions so they dis-remembered the men.

It's been a while since I went to that blog, but here's a thought.

If she made it up, her business partner at the Private Investigator Company would have to be at least partially in on the lie as well, right? What would his motive for lying be?

One thing that stuck out to me was when he talks about his interactions over time with the owners of the canoe rental company. He talks about at first they remembered the men quite well, then they knew them, but they weren't regulars, then they couldn't really remember them, eventually couldn't remember her or her son even.

If her story is a lie, the "convenient amnesia" on the part of the business owners wouldn't be true. Although maybe they just got sick of him coming around asking questions so they dis-remembered the men.

I don't know. I do remember that the PI's name was Kenneth Treuter. I remember Googling him awhile back and finding some very shady stuff (unrelated to this case) including a quote by someone who said something along the lines of "if Ken Treuter told me the sky was blue, I would go outside to check to be sure."

Assuming the case was a hoax, she could have snowed him just as easily.

Wait, I'm confused. So this whole story was a big hoax?

Might be a hoax, or it might have happened.

Plenty of people have tried to discredit both the woman and her business partner, who are private investigators. I would like to point out that Private Investigators by their very profession, tend to make a lot of enemies, or at the very least aren't the most popular around town.

Might be a hoax, or it might have happened.

Plenty of people have tried to discredit both the woman and her business partner, who are private investigators. I would like to point out that Private Investigators by their very profession, tend to make a lot of enemies, or at the very least aren't the most popular around town.

I assume you mean the people responsible for the blog?

I wonder how true that blog really is though. It's obvious whoever put that together has some sort of beef with this woman.

Yes. But even without the blog, I came off very skeptical after viewing the segment. Granted, this could have been because of UM's presentation of the story, but there were some red flags raised when watching it.

-For starters, she was on the Brazos river canoeing with her son. Let's keep that in mind that her son was with her the entire time this alleged attack and abduction happened.
-Teresa first says that they were approached by the men while the canoe was on land and they were in the water. The men came up to shore and appeared to have gotten out. Teresa gets a bad vibe and doesn't like the way they are talking in front of her son, so she grabs the canoe and they head off. After traveling awhile down the river, Teresa stops to relieve herself and out of nowhere the men appear and attack and rape her. First of all, she never once looked back in the general direction of the men to see if they were following? And, if she did, she obviously didn't see them or else she wouldn't have felt comfortable enough to stop again. And if the men didn't immediately start to follow her, how did they know where she would be? They could have spotted the canoe from the river, but the segment depicts them attacking her from behind on land with no visible way that they could have gotten there. They had a canoe as well. Where was it?
-According to her story, they are then taken down the river with both men, who force her to drink the entire time. Then when they stop again, buff Freddie Mercury rapes her again in the water, while her son and the Spicoli knock off look on. This would have been the second time the son saw her being raped. Highly traumatic for the boy. But I'm having a hard time buying that these two guys went out drinking on a canoe trip on "the day after Memorial Day", when the lake was supposed to have been nearly abandoned by everyone, for the sole purpose of spotting a woman and raping her. It just sounds ridiculous that these guys decided to rape her after immediately seeing Teresa and her son.
-When the terror trip was finally over, they return to the rental place where there is finally a witness to the presence of the two men. Teresa does nothing. Now, I get the fact that most women feel ashamed and hopeless after being raped, and that a lot of rape victims don't come forward and report what happened immediately after because they feel ashamed. But remember what I said about the son? He had just witnessed his mother being raped twice, and knowing not only what these men did to her but also to her son, she did absolutely nothing.
-Teresa spent the night at a nearby campground because she was too intoxicated from the drinking the men allegedly forced her to do. Here was another opportunity to alert someone to what had happened or at least call for help. But nothing.
-Teresa told no one for 2 weeks, before finally breaking and telling her PI partner. I don't believe the segment specified the exact time she told the police, but it's definitely at the very least 2 weeks after she was allegedly raped.
-The PI is seen talking to the canoe rental worker asking him about the two men. The segment doesn't specify, but I don't know if the PI went to him and said, "hey my friend was raped by these two guys, do you know them", or if he simply went up to the guy and started asking questions about the men. The guy was probably getting weird vibes from the PI asking all of these questions which may have been why it seemed like he was brushing him off. That, or maybe the guy didn't believe he was a PI. I think that whole exchange is played up in the segment as some sort of "good ol' boy" cover up, which I think is laughable. Or maybe the guy was just busy and saw no point in answering questions about two guys who rented a canoe from him weeks ago.
-Did you see those computerized sketches the police had of the two suspects? Hilarious stuff. But before we bash the law enforcement's capability of using computer equipment in the early 90's, isn't it just as likely that the descriptions she gave of the men were so vague that that was the best they could come up with?
-There is next to nothing about this story on the internet, anywhere. I find that odd. The story, if there was more verifiable evidence that it was true, would have garnered at the very least some local press. It's the perfect "sensationalized" story that the media would have ate up. But there appears to have been nothing.
-These men are not wanted. No law enforcement agency is looking for these men. That's very unusual. Not being very familiar with Texas laws, but assuming that this would have been a felony, there are no statute of limitations for the rape in that state.

God I hope I'm not coming off like a pig for saying this, but I'm leaning more towards the theory that she "partied" with the guys, and had consensual sex with one of them, and her son may have stumbled onto it and saw it for which she was embarrassed and why she didn't come forward initially. The story told by the son to the authorities would then "fit" nicely with Teresa's story of rape, since the boy wouldn't have known what sex was at that young age. I believe the men existed, because the rental worker would have had to have seen them, and indicated to the PI that they knew them but they weren't regular renters. And if that blog is true, she failed a polygraph. The failed polygraph isn't an issue to me, it's the fact that law enforcement actually asked her to take on in the first place that raises a red flag, IMO. I guess it just angered me a little bit that the segment played up the "men who turn into rapist savages while drinking". As a horror fan, the story seems to similar to the "I Spit on Your Grave" movie plot.

You make some good points. I honestly don't know what to think after re-watching this one.

I am not putting the blog into consideration here. Clearly, the author hates Teresa for some undisclosed reason and as such, I think the whole thing is suspect.

I have such a hard time believing that a person would make up such a horrific story. But then I consider things that may not have been mentioned: Was she being reprimanded at work when the story came out? Was she a party-girl and under suspicion from CPS, only to tell the story in an effort to keep her son?

I don't believe in victim-shaming. But I agree that her story is almost impossible to verify. I just don't know.

I have such a hard time believing that a person would make up such a horrific story. But then I consider things that may not have been mentioned: Was she being reprimanded at work when the story came out? Was she a party-girl and under suspicion from CPS, only to tell the story in an effort to keep her son?

This is exactly what I was thinking.

That blog isn't exactly impartial, but there has to be some truth in it for someone to actually take the time and energy to essentially make a blog about someone they don't like and try to "debunk" their life.

Curiously, the blog doesn't mention her being a private investigator or the PI featured in the segment.

Yes. But even without the blog, I came off very skeptical after viewing the segment. Granted, this could have been because of UM's presentation of the story, but there were some red flags raised when watching it.

-For starters, she was on the Brazos river canoeing with her son. Let's keep that in mind that her son was with her the entire time this alleged attack and abduction happened.
-Teresa first says that they were approached by the men while the canoe was on land and they were in the water. The men came up to shore and appeared to have gotten out. Teresa gets a bad vibe and doesn't like the way they are talking in front of her son, so she grabs the canoe and they head off. After traveling awhile down the river, Teresa stops to relieve herself and out of nowhere the men appear and attack and rape her. First of all, she never once looked back in the general direction of the men to see if they were following? And, if she did, she obviously didn't see them or else she wouldn't have felt comfortable enough to stop again. And if the men didn't immediately start to follow her, how did they know where she would be? They could have spotted the canoe from the river, but the segment depicts them attacking her from behind on land with no visible way that they could have gotten there. They had a canoe as well. Where was it?
-According to her story, they are then taken down the river with both men, who force her to drink the entire time. Then when they stop again, buff Freddie Mercury rapes her again in the water, while her son and the Spicoli knock off look on. This would have been the second time the son saw her being raped. Highly traumatic for the boy. But I'm having a hard time buying that these two guys went out drinking on a canoe trip on "the day after Memorial Day", when the lake was supposed to have been nearly abandoned by everyone, for the sole purpose of spotting a woman and raping her. It just sounds ridiculous that these guys decided to rape her after immediately seeing Teresa and her son.
-When the terror trip was finally over, they return to the rental place where there is finally a witness to the presence of the two men. Teresa does nothing. Now, I get the fact that most women feel ashamed and hopeless after being raped, and that a lot of rape victims don't come forward and report what happened immediately after because they feel ashamed. But remember what I said about the son? He had just witnessed his mother being raped twice, and knowing not only what these men did to her but also to her son, she did absolutely nothing.
-Teresa spent the night at a nearby campground because she was too intoxicated from the drinking the men allegedly forced her to do. Here was another opportunity to alert someone to what had happened or at least call for help. But nothing.
-Teresa told no one for 2 weeks, before finally breaking and telling her PI partner. I don't believe the segment specified the exact time she told the police, but it's definitely at the very least 2 weeks after she was allegedly raped.
-The PI is seen talking to the canoe rental worker asking him about the two men. The segment doesn't specify, but I don't know if the PI went to him and said, "hey my friend was raped by these two guys, do you know them", or if he simply went up to the guy and started asking questions about the men. The guy was probably getting weird vibes from the PI asking all of these questions which may have been why it seemed like he was brushing him off. That, or maybe the guy didn't believe he was a PI. I think that whole exchange is played up in the segment as some sort of "good ol' boy" cover up, which I think is laughable. Or maybe the guy was just busy and saw no point in answering questions about two guys who rented a canoe from him weeks ago.
-Did you see those computerized sketches the police had of the two suspects? Hilarious stuff. But before we bash the law enforcement's capability of using computer equipment in the early 90's, isn't it just as likely that the descriptions she gave of the men were so vague that that was the best they could come up with?
-There is next to nothing about this story on the internet, anywhere. I find that odd. The story, if there was more verifiable evidence that it was true, would have garnered at the very least some local press. It's the perfect "sensationalized" story that the media would have ate up. But there appears to have been nothing.
-These men are not wanted. No law enforcement agency is looking for these men. That's very unusual. Not being very familiar with Texas laws, but assuming that this would have been a felony, there are no statute of limitations for the rape in that state.

God I hope I'm not coming off like a pig for saying this, but I'm leaning more towards the theory that she "partied" with the guys, and had consensual sex with one of them, and her son may have stumbled onto it and saw it for which she was embarrassed and why she didn't come forward initially. The story told by the son to the authorities would then "fit" nicely with Teresa's story of rape, since the boy wouldn't have known what sex was at that young age. I believe the men existed, because the rental worker would have had to have seen them, and indicated to the PI that they knew them but they weren't regular renters. And if that blog is true, she failed a polygraph. The failed polygraph isn't an issue to me, it's the fact that law enforcement actually asked her to take on in the first place that raises a red flag, IMO. I guess it just angered me a little bit that the segment played up the "men who turn into rapist savages while drinking". As a horror fan, the story seems to similar to the "I Spit on Your Grave" movie plot.

If this is true...she wasted poor Jeannie Bolyan's time making those police sketches...

Ok so after sleeping on it, I felt like maybe I was being a bit harsh on Teresa. For one, if she was making the entire rape story up, why even appear on national television lying on camera implicating two men whom were by all accounts, real? But that wouldn't be the first time someone with a suspicious story appeared on UM (Sarah Powell, Tina Resch) and lied on camera. I find it interesting that no one from law enforcement appeared on camera.

I have such a hard time believing that a person would make up such a horrific story. But then I consider things that may not have been mentioned: Was she being reprimanded at work when the story came out? Was she a party-girl and under suspicion from CPS, only to tell the story in an effort to keep her son?


I think you may be spot on in this assessment. Also, was she recently divorced and/or going through a custody battle? Her son was, at the very least, old enough to repeat what he saw. If she knew he would repeat what he saw, his dad may be mortified and try to gain custody or something to that effect.

Ok so after sleeping on it, I felt like maybe I was being a bit harsh on Teresa. For one, if she was making the entire rape story up, why even appear on national television lying on camera implicating two men whom were by all accounts, real? But that wouldn't be the first time someone with a suspicious story appeared on UM (Sarah Powell, Tina Resch) and lied on camera. I find it interesting that no one from law enforcement appeared on camera.

It's been a long time since I've seen this one, so I can't give it my usual level of analysis, but the biggest problem I have with your theory is the motive for fabricating the story in the first place. Assuming she did have consensual sex with these guys (or one of them), you also suggest that her son stumbled upon it, but didn't know what was going on. If that is true, why would she feel a need to cry rape when she could have just played it off as if nothing happened? Her son wouldn't have known what was up.

The son's involvement is something I can't wrap my mind around if this was a hoax. Surely the police could have interviewed him and confirmed whether or not this all took place. Ergo, if she was going to fabricate a story about being attacked it would have made more sense if she was the only victim. And why do it there? This was a well traversed area, and there is a possibility that witnesses could have come forward to dispute her claim. I guess my larger point is that if she wanted to make up a story, there are far more "convenient" ways to do it and contexts to put it in that would be harder to discredit.

Both Radke and Treuter seem to have problematic behaviors, but I don't believe that she lied about being raped. Women who have consensual sex (even those who would engage in sexual activity in the proximity of their child) aren't burning themselves with cigarettes and then fabricating rape allegations. I'm assuming her injuries were examined and that her son was questioned about one of the suspects molesting him. I also agree that if someone was going to fabricate a crime, they'd attempt to do it where there would be no witnesses, including her son.

Hood County News has several articles about the case. I haven't seen the UM segment in years, so I can't recall if UM mentioned that Radke was burned with cigarettes or that her son was also molested by one of the perpetrators. Both Radke and a P.I. investigating her case were arrested later in an unrelated dispute. I'm not sure if this dispute is where Radke shot Treuter in the abdomen (that was mentioned in a Dallas Observer article about Robert Rose). From Feb. 3 1996:

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/59259485/
Investigators have eliminated six Hood County men as suspects in the May 1994 rape torture of a woman on the Brazos River in Somervell County. "All of them have been cleared in this deal," said Somervell County chief deputy Darnell McCreavy. Mc-Creavy said the men were eliminated as suspects by the victim through photo line-ups and deputies' follow-up investigation. The men's names had come from tips received after NBC's Unsolved Mysteries had run reenactments of the case Oct 27 and Dec. 29. Other calls were a result of composite sketches of -the suspects run in the Hood County News and posters distributed around the county by a private detective investigating the case. Two of the Hood County men called in as suspects had received undue attention from other residents when it became known they might be suspects, McCreavy said. "Both of them are experiencing aggravation," he stated. There are presently no strong suspects in the May 31, 1994 incident McCreavy said. "We still have some other leads, but we have nothing hot right now," he reported. The victim, now 29, told officers she and her young son were canoeing on the Brazos on Memorial Day when the rape occurred. They stopped to get out of their canoe on the river somewhere between Keller's Ranch and the Tres Rios campgrounds in Somervell County, said investigators. ' There, they were accosted by two men, who beat her with canoe paddles. Both men raped her and burned her with cigarettes until she was forced to scream, reported the victim. The victim said her son was also fondled by one of the suspects. A private investigator from McKinney became involved in the rape investigation. He and the victim traveled to Hood County several times last year working on the case, officers said. The private investigator was identified as the rape victim's boyfriend, with the two having a child from that relationship, officers reported. The investigation took an unusual twist Jan. 17 when the investigator and the rape victim were arrested after a fight at a friend's residence off U.S. Highway 377 West between Granbury and Tolar. Both had gotten into the fight after reportedly arguing about an old girlfriend of the private investigator, deputies said. The two were also charged after the incident with carrying identification falsely identifying them as police officers, stated deputies. As a result of the fight the investigator is no longer connected to the case, the victim has told officers, McCreavy stated. If suspects are located in the Brazos River rape, they could be charged with rape, aggravated assault kidnapping, child molestation and robbery. Persons with information on the Brazos River rape may call McCreavy at the Somervell County Sheriff Department at (817)897-2242.

One of the line-ups was cancelled because the victim and the P.I. had obtained a photo of an indvidual who was going to be in the line up. From Jan 27, 1996 : http://hcnews.newspapers.com/newspage/59259145/

The case was aired a second time on Unsolved Mysteries on Dec. 29, with more calls being received. Somervell County officers investigating the rape had set up a photo line-up of suspects for the victim to view, said district attorney Richard Hattox. However, the line-up was canceled after officers learned that the private investigator and the victim had obtained a photo of one of the suspects beforehand, Hattox said. Somervell County authorities have made no arrests in the rape.

Any single parent or person in their right mind, the last thing they should be thinking of when spending a planned vacation day with a child is hooking up with random people. Especially with the child near by in that scenario.

It's been a long time since I've seen this one, so I can't give it my usual level of analysis, but the biggest problem I have with your theory is the motive for fabricating the story in the first place. Assuming she did have consensual sex with these guys (or one of them), you also suggest that her son stumbled upon it, but didn't know what was going on. If that is true, why would she feel a need to cry rape when she could have just played it off as if nothing happened? Her son wouldn't have known what was up.

Well the son wouldn't have known what it was exactly, but he still more than likely would have been traumatized by it. And if her story is true, it was twice.

The son's involvement is something I can't wrap my mind around if this was a hoax. Surely the police could have interviewed him and confirmed whether or not this all took place. Ergo, if she was going to fabricate a story about being attacked it would have made more sense if she was the only victim. And why do it there? This was a well traversed area, and there is a possibility that witnesses could have come forward to dispute her claim. I guess my larger point is that if she wanted to make up a story, there are far more "convenient" ways to do it and contexts to put it in that would be harder to discredit.

The fact that it was a well traversed area makes me more suspicious of her story. These two guys really, really, left a lot up to chance that there was going to be no one else who could witness them on the river. Not one. And there is a mention of a nearby campground early in the segment. Teresa says something to the effect of feeling safe because the area was frequented by campers from a nearby church.

The fact that her son was with her during all of this strengthens my belief that something isn't adding up. If she was alone, it would be more believable that she didn't come forward after 2 weeks. But if her son was harmed and exposed to the awful things she claimed, why wouldn't she have reported this as soon as they made it back to the shore?

Any single parent or person in their right mind, the last thing they should be thinking of when spending a planned vacation day with a child is hooking up with random people. Especially with the child near by in that scenario.

Both Teresa and her partner featured in the UM segment were involved in a scam to set up a Dallas lawyer in some sort of odd, embezzlement murder for hire plot, in which they claimed that the lawyer was going to kill his wife. It turned out it was all a flat out lie. Here's an excerpt from one of the articles:

"But the murder-solicitation charges were not the only allegations against Rose that would spring from Treuter over the next few years. And many of his claims--in some form or another--would ultimately attract the notice of federal investigators.

Kenneth Treuter calls and suggests a lunch meeting, saying he has hot information on the Robert Rose case. He brings along his partner, Teresa Radke. Together, Treuter and Radke make up FIST--the Ferret Investigative Service of Texas. Their business cards sport a full-color photo of a stuffed ferret on one side. It is named Holmes.

During lunch, Radke and Treuter seem to get along swimmingly, and do not mention the time Radke shot Treuter in the stomach a couple of years ago. Accounts of the shooting vary. But asked about it later, Treuter says it was just an accident, and he didn't press charges against his partner.

Over a prime rib sandwich and several drinks that he assumes the reporter will pay for, he spins out his tale. Treuter has already presented his story to the Irving police and the FBI--who have thus far judged it baseless. Part of the story is also in Rose's divorce file. It goes like this:Robert Rose tried to have his ex-wife killed. And Rose was bribing judges."

Also this little gem:

"Here is a sampling of opinions about Kenneth Treuter, some from the people Treuter himself suggested could vouch for his credibility:

From a former prosecutor: "If Ken Treuter told me the sky was blue, I wouldn't believe him until I went outside and looked."

From a Dallas investigator: "All I can tell you is he is a liar. Watch him with both eyes."

From Irving police detective Myers: "You can't trust anything Ken Treuter tells you. Treuter is a scumbag, you can print that."

From a federal agent who has dealt with Treuter: "Everything he says makes for nice, juicy cloak-and-dagger (stuff)....but it's kind of like the old Wendy's commercial. When you get down and look beneath just the mere allegations, where's the beef? Where is there one scintilla of proof?"

From Robert Rose: "That lying mother****er."
From Lisa Rose: "You don't know if anything is true coming from Ken."
Credibility, it seems, is not Treuter's strong suit.""

Also found these three other "blogs" which seem to go after Treuter moreso than Teresa, but she is mentioned as well:

http://colonelkennethtreuter.blogspot.com/
http://exposingdocchuck.blogspot.com/2010/04/busting-charles-richard-treuters_26.html

I think one of those was written by Treuter's brother.

Now granted, this doesn't necessarily make Teresa's story an outright lie, but it does taint the story even more.

Also found these three other "blogs" which seem to go after Treuter moreso than Teresa, but she is mentioned as well:

http://colonelkennethtreuter.blogspot.com/
http://exposingdocchuck.blogspot.com/2010/04/busting-charles-richard-treuters_26.html

I don't know if I should admit this but that first blog actually made me laugh out loud a couple times. That is some hosed up stuff.

Interesting opinions here. this is certainly a troubling and complex case. I'm not into victim shaming at all. Unfortunately people make poor choices and their past actions can certainly have bearing on the way people judge them later in life. Playing the advocate for the victim I would wonder if this is why she waited 2 weeks because she thought people might not believe her? this very thing happens a lot with rape victims. Many never come forward at all because they fear how they will be treated by others in the future and they don't want to be blamed and exploited further.

I don't see the point for people to lie about being raped. With that said it does happen from time to time. All I can say is that it takes a very sick person to make something like that up, because the real victims of assault suffer by the actions of a few. I'd rather be wrong and believe them at their word, rather than discard it and have it be true. I just wish a witness for this segment would come forward. It seems like that would be the only way for us to know once and for all if these men were there. Then evidence is important to proving an assault took place so that someone can be charged and we just don't have anything here to go by other than her word.

Those news articles make interesting reading. I tend to only pay a small bit of attention to blogs, since they obviously can be much more biased than newspapers.

Am I the only one that now gets the impression Ken Treuter and Teresa Radke had much more than a business relationship? If so, I guess that would answer my earlier question about what motive he would have to back up her story with the account of the "diminishing memories" of the canoe rental folks. Like I pointed out earlier, if her story is false, that story must also be.

I still haven't made up my mind on this case, but I actually hope it is made up. Not only does the rape sound extraordinarily brutal but the son being a witness AND molested himself? UGH.

I still haven't made up my mind on this case, but I actually hope it is made up. Not only does the rape sound extraordinarily brutal but the son being a witness AND molested himself? UGH.


I don't think the boy was molested.

Edit--please remove!

I don't think the boy was molested.

It wasn't mentioned on the UM segment, but its reported in the Hood County News article that soilentgreen linked above.

Unless you meant that you don't believe that it happened.

It wasn't mentioned on the UM segment, but its reported in the Hood County News article that soilentgreen linked above.

Unless you meant that you don't believe that it happened.

I missed that part. Thanks for pointing it out.

Interesting that she reports cigarette burns and her son being fondled. If both are true, then she should have some type of scarring from the cigarettes when she reported the incident. Her son should also be able to say whether or not he was touched inappropriately.

Just watched this one...she sure is matter of fact about all this.

Only seen the case once and wish I still had it. So many details I forgot.

this case sounds a lot like the plot of this movie


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_River_Wild

this case sounds a lot like the plot of this movie


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_River_Wild

I think that being that the River Wild was a hit movie around this time is one of the reasons UM showed interest in producing a segment on it.

Am I the only one that now gets the impression Ken Treuter and Teresa Radke had much more than a business relationship? If so, I guess that would answer my earlier question about what motive he would have to back up her story with the account of the "diminishing memories" of the canoe rental folks. Like I pointed out earlier, if her story is false, that story must also be.

I still haven't made up my mind on this case, but I actually hope it is made up. Not only does the rape sound extraordinarily brutal but the son being a witness AND molested himself? UGH.
I don't know what kind of relationship they had. It seemed to me like they were friends. Usually victims will confide first in a friend because they trust them. A good friend especially one educated on sexual assault in general should encourage a victim to go to the authorities.

I think victims(even unproven cases like this) need to be treated with compassion not skepticism or even worse ridicule. It's one thing on a forum where we can just freely debate our opinions so I understand the other point of view. I used to do the victim blame when I was younger and less educated on the psychological aspect of rape.

This is not an attack against your post I was replying to a couple of points you made and sort of agree with you for going back and forth on this case. My opinion... A lot of rapes go unsolved or untreated undocumented etc... so it's not that uncommon that there were no other witnesses or people willing to cooperate. rapists thrive on the fact that most victims don't report or are often blamed by others especially if it is public information. This is one of those cases where from a victims point of a view it is more appealing to not come forward and keep it secret. That's the sad reality.

Most recently at baylor university(not far from glen rose) school officials ignored an athlete that had a domestic battery rap sheet and tried to hide and tarnish the reputation of his rape victim at their own university. This coming a year or so after a heisman trophy winner from a school known to have serious crime problems was cleared by investigators) of raping someone. Also I heard Donald trumps son defend his dad who was accused of rape and domestic violence by a previous spouse by saying a spouse cannot be raped. Even if trump is innocent this is a leading candidate for a party that prides itself on morality???(disclaimer I'm not for either party so don't take that as a political stance for one side or the other) This is the society we live in??? I have daughters and that's not what I would want for them if they were victims of abuse. As far as this rape being brutal...yes I agree That due to the brutality of this rape I wish it were not true as well, but these types of attacks happen a lot more than we realize because many victims never report.

this case sounds a lot like the plot of this movie


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_River_Wild

One thing to note: the film came out in September of 1994, several months after Radke alleged she was raped.

My opinion... A lot of rapes go unsolved or untreated undocumented etc... so it's not that uncommon that there were no other witnesses or people willing to cooperate. rapists thrive on the fact that most victims don't report or are often blamed by others especially if it is public information. This is one of those cases where from a victims point of a view it is more appealing to not come forward and keep it secret. That's the sad reality.


I agree with all of this. I understand the skepticism about this case, but there's not one way a victim behaves after being raped, and plenty of rape cases don't progress beyond initial investigations for all kinds of reasons. The blogs aren't credible sources of information. The lack of witnesses isn't surprising, and apparently the investigators did believe at the time that a crime had been committed.

Just the fact that she was the sole adult with her son could have made her a target, as many mothers would comply with the rapist(s) demands, for fear of their child's welfare. Unfortunately there's little information about the two Hood County men who were reported as suspects after the UM segment originally aired or what the current opinion of LE about the case is.

Has the now adult son commented? People thought Jacob Wetterling's brother and friend were lying about details of his abduction; the brother has been interviewed for TV and not changed his story as an adult.

Has the now adult son commented? People thought Jacob Wetterling's brother and friend were lying about details of his abduction; the brother has been interviewed for TV and not changed his story as an adult.
As far as I know he has not.

I know that rape victims react differently, but this wasn't a date rape at a party. This was a vicious attack by two unknown men that also involved a young child. She had repeated opportunities to report what happened (to canoe guy after the men left, to the camp ground she stayed the night at, the police the next day, etc.), but she didn't. I can't believe a mother would let this go unreported (until being coerced to confess by her partner), especially if her son had witnessed most of these attacks. It just doesn't pass the smell test to me.

I know that rape victims react differently, but this wasn't a date rape at a party. This was a vicious attack by two unknown men that also involved a young child. She had repeated opportunities to report what happened (to canoe guy after the men left, to the camp ground she stayed the night at, the police the next day, etc.), but she didn't. I can't believe a mother would let this go unreported (until being coerced to confess by her partner), especially if her son had witnessed most of these attacks. It just doesn't pass the smell test to me.
I think you make a good point and at one time I said the same thing and the authorities likely probably felt that way at the time. But this is a caveman approach. Times have changed and we have learned that rape victims are probably the most difficult victims to care for because they are very unpredictable. After learning more about sexual assault I have learned that many victims never even report their experience. Some never even tell a friend. The bottom line is rape is rape. Whether it is date rape, a brutal attack, or something else it is still a dirty nasty ordeal and for me next to murder is the worst thing you can do to a person.

Is it possible she is lying? I will concede that. There is no evidence to support her claim other than her word and possibly her son's account if he ever gave one. But given her alleged background I can also see why she was scared to report initially if that was a reason why she did not. Especially if she was known to drink or to do drugs.

Especially if she was known to drink or to do drugs.

I don't know if she was prior to the alleged attack or not, but if she was, this makes her claims less believable, no?

I don't know if she was prior to the alleged attack or not, but if she was, this makes her claims less believable, no?
I'm not sure either. I remember vaugely her saying that she didn't come forward because she was heavily intoxicated and felt like no one would believe her. Just speculating that maybe she did drink but not sure.

Just managed to watch my copy a week ago, and there's no mention that Radke was drinking prior to being compelled to by the perpetrators. When she first was bothered by the guys, she stated that she wanted to get away from them because they acted intoxicated.

Even if she had been known as a partier, that doesn't default to her statements lacking credibility. Plenty of criminals, especially rapists, use a victim's use of alcohol or drugs as a way to facilitate their crimes or search out incapacitated individuals to target.

Just managed to watch my copy a week ago, and there's no mention that Radke was drinking prior to being compelled to by the perpetrators. When she first was bothered by the guys, she stated that she wanted to get away from them because they acted intoxicated.

Even if she had been known as a partier, that doesn't default to her statements lacking credibility. Plenty of criminals, especially rapists, use a victim's use of alcohol or drugs as a way to facilitate their crimes or search out incapacitated individuals to target.
Definitely agree I think rapists know that victims get blamed or their personal lives get investigated for credibility when they come forward and thrive off of that.

I'm not sure either. I remember vaugely her saying that she didn't come forward because she was heavily intoxicated and felt like no one would believe her. Just speculating that maybe she did drink but not sure.

Just to clear up the part about the drinking...

It wasn't that she was drinking on the canoe trip with her son. According to her story, after the initial sexual assault, the rapists tied the canoes together and continued down the river. During the rest of the trip they forced her to drink large amounts of liquor. She said that she became so intoxicated that she was unable to drive home, so she and her son had to spend the night at the campground.

Nothing in the segment itself indicates that she has a drinking or drug problem.

Definitely agree I think rapists know that victims get blamed or their personal lives get investigated for credibility when they come forward and thrive off of that.

Yep, they know that the testimony of a victim that admits to drinking/getting high prior to being raped is perceived as less credible by many people. Heavy drinking/drug use might cause memory loss, where a victim can't recall the exact circumstances of the rape itself, but it doesn't cause false memories.

It's just difficult for me to imagine someone causing herself injuries, manipulating her son as both an alleged victim and witness (as he was likely to be questioned by investigators) in an attempt to shore up a false rape allegation due to an unknown motivation. It would be one thing if the investigators had made public statements that they didn't find any evidence that a crime occurred, or that either of the victims made comments about making the allegations up, but this claim originates from some anonymous ax grinding blogger.

Yep, they know that the testimony of a victim that admits to drinking/getting high prior to being raped is perceived as less credible by many people. Heavy drinking/drug use might cause memory loss, where a victim can't recall the exact circumstances of the rape itself, but it doesn't cause false memories.

It's just difficult for me to imagine someone causing herself injuries, manipulating her son as both an alleged victim and witness (as he was likely to be questioned by investigators) in an attempt to shore up a false rape allegation due to an unknown motivation. It would be one thing if the investigators had made public statements that they didn't find any evidence that a crime occurred, or that either of the victims made comments about making the allegations up, but this claim originates from some anonymous ax grinding blogger. good points. Alcohol use can cause guilt especially if something traumatic happens. It certainly can cloud your judgment and memory. Even in this case where she was forced to drink it probably messed with her mind. She also might have blamed herself for taking Her son out there on a day where no one else was around.

Just to clear up the part about the drinking...

It wasn't that she was drinking on the canoe trip with her son. According to her story, after the initial sexual assault, the rapists tied the canoes together and continued down the river. During the rest of the trip they forced her to drink large amounts of liquor. She said that she became so intoxicated that she was unable to drive home, so she and her son had to spend the night at the campground.

Nothing in the segment itself indicates that she has a drinking or drug problem.
I meant more that if she was known to drink and have a party reputation that maybe it would effect her coming fwd and others for the way they felt about her character. That said It should have no bearing on the investigation.

I'm not familiar with Texas. Is the Brazos River off the beaten path, so to speak? I find it hard to believe that there was not 1 witness. no other canoers, no cars driving by, no hikers...Does anybody know the area?

I'm not familiar with Texas. Is the Brazos River off the beaten path, so to speak? I find it hard to believe that there was not 1 witness. no other canoers, no cars driving by, no hikers...Does anybody know the area?
Haha texas is a big state I'm from here and there are many different places I haven't seen. I've never been on the brazos in that specific area. All they mentioned was brazos River near glen rose texas which is a very small city guessing in the low thousands. And the river in that area winds through rural country areas as does most of the brazos ...it does not wind through glen rose. I have been camping in other areas near there a hand full of times and can confirm those are extremely rural areas. We usually camped On a lake off the brazos and it was 20-30 min drive to the closest town. On a weekday yes I find it very believable that it could be desolate. On a weekend there would likely be some people out camping and on the water but again it is rural so you just never know. I wonder if there are houses nearby where they were or people that could have heard or seen something?? Glen rose is known for a dinosaur park that they have but I've never been to it. That area is not some heavy attraction so if you don't have family or live there it's probably not a place a whole lot of people go to. Maybe it's more frequented on holiday weekends as they mentioned in the segment about it being a Holiday weekend just before. Interestingly unlike darlie routier and some of the other north Texas cases that were in the local media other than UM I have never heard of this case and don't recall hearing of others like it.

Thanks for the info Dallas.

I know most think that this case is made up, as I tend to too, but what was the motive here? I know she has a shady pass, and does her partner, but I'm not sure what to believe.

As TheCars1986 had mentioned, which stuck out to me, was how didn't she see/hear them coming from behind? It's also odd they would leave her and her son alive as they both spent hours with them and could identify them. It's a bit odd to rape a woman infront of her son, ride around with them for hours in a canoe, and just let them go. I mean if no one else was around to witness this, why not just kill them so you wouldn't be identified?

If this story is fake then I think her, and her partner made this up together. Apparently they both were under alot of fire, and were hated/distrusted by a good amount of people, so I wonder if they made this "rape story" up to try to weasel out of something?

On the other hand if it was true (which I doubt) an interesting theory would be if she and her son were followed by the men for a while? Maybe they were plants/hired muscle from one of the agencies/people that her and her partner crossed to teach them a lesson? Just the fact that they came out of nowhere, and kept them alive seems like they tried to "teach them a lesson". I mean raping her infront of her son, and then keeping them alive?

Dunno.

Actually.....you know what? What if Theresa and her partner were trying to scam, or get dirt on the canoe business and made this story up? They were PI's, but also apparently scum, so is it possible that they knew something about the canoe company and tried to get something out of them?

Her partner never went there with police, just himself, and he kept hassling the owner about the receipts. Going there with police K-9 dogs and trying to gather DNA would've made more sense. I wonder if there was something about the canoe business/someone who worked there that they tried to get dirt on/extort? This could've been a scam..

Apparently Theresa has been scamming, and begging for years now. It wouldn't surprise me if she, and/or he made this up for some lawsuit/extortion deal.

Hard to say. I don't have any clue why someone would make up a story like the one in this segment.

I just need to add that it goes against every fiber of my being to question a rape victim. It feels unnatural to me-- but this case really does have a lot going on behind the scenes...

I just need to add that it goes against every fiber of my being to question a rape victim. It feels unnatural to me-- but this case really does have a lot going on behind the scenes...

Yeah, me too, but like you said, there's alot in her background that makes this deserve questioning.

Hard to say. I don't have any clue why someone would make up a story like the one in this segment.

I just need to add that it goes against every fiber of my being to question a rape victim. It feels unnatural to me-- but this case really does have a lot going on behind the scenes...



It's totally possible to lie about being raped or at least finger the wrong man. Plenty of examples

I keep hearing how scary this case is but it is no where to be found m. Never found an upload on YouTube and it is not on Amazon


Sounds like
If the victim made it up she got influenced by that movie The River Wild

I keep hearing how scary this case is but it is no where to be found m. Never found an upload on YouTube and it is not on Amazon


Sounds like
If the victim made it up she got influenced by that movie The River Wild

It's very similar to the plot of that movie. I actually think there was a reference to the movie in the UM segment.

I haven't seen it in years-- someone want to chime in and tell me if I'm right, if UM did indeed cut to a clip from the movie?

It's very similar to the plot of that movie. I actually think there was a reference to the movie in the UM segment.

I haven't seen it in years-- someone want to chime in and tell me if I'm right, if UM did indeed cut to a clip from the movie?

No. They didn't. I believe this case was before the movie.

No. They didn't. I believe this case was before the movie.

I thought you said you hadn't seen the segment?? :lol: :lol:

I thought you said you hadn't seen the segment?? :lol: :lol:

I just seen it. That's why I wrote those two long post.

I just seen it. That's why I wrote those two long post.

Gotcha. They filmed "The River Wild" in parts of Montana. It was a big deal as it was happening. Kevin Bacon was a big deal back then.

Kevin Bacon was a big deal back then.


Still is.

https://oracleofbacon.org/

I just seen it. That's why I wrote those two long post.

Where did you find it? You can PM me if you don't want to share that info publicly. I've only seen this case once and that was a very long time ago.

Still is.

https://oracleofbacon.org/

LOL.

Where did you find it? You can PM me if you don't want to share that info publicly. I've only seen this case once and that was a very long time ago.

It was on a VHS tape. Sorry.

Does anyone remember the update they showed a few weeks after the original airing? All I remember was Keely Shaye Smith said they had some "promising leads" but I don't recall what they were. I'm too lazy to dig out my VHS and check.

Does anyone remember the update they showed a few weeks after the original airing? All I remember was Keely Shaye Smith said they had some "promising leads" but I don't recall what they were. I'm too lazy to dig out my VHS and check.

IIRC, it had something to do with some men being identified because of their similarities to the composite sketches. As far as I know, these leads went nowhere.

Maybe I missed something, but I'm uncomfortable that Teresa's claims of rape are being disbelieved because some weirdo came out with a blog claiming Teresa is scamming money off people via the internet by falsely claiming she has a cancer-stricken daughter.

Having read a lot about GoFundMe scams and things similar in nature, I can tell you these things are usually found out, the pages shut down, and the creator is forced to return all monies and faces criminal charges as well. Clearly, none of that happened here. The page is still up, nearly a decade after the last apparent activity.

Maybe it happened and maybe it didn't, but claims of rape should never automatically be disbelieved. We weren't there, we don't know. And unless Teresa and/or her son comes forward and admits it's a hoax, we will never know. That seems unlikely, given 23 years have passed.

If Teresa were to make up a story about rape (and there's no apparent reason why she would), she could come up with a story that didn't involve multiple victims, multiple suspects, multiple potential witnesses, occurred over several days and a long, convoluted version of events.

I believe most people who falsely claim rape do it to get a specific person(s) in trouble. That clearly didn't happen here, these men remain unidentified to this day, over two decades later. If it is a hoax, maybe she wasted Unsolved Mysteries time with it, but she'd hardly be the first person to do that.

Not all victims report it and right away. We're seeing that now with all of the Hollywood cases playing out. And not all cases make the newspapers.

Why didn't she report it right away? Probably because she was hurt, afraid, confused and in shock. Not to mention she was forcibly intoxicated.

finally saw this segment thanks to a user here. Definitely very disturbing


however, the fact it wasn't included in the Farina reboot or in the Amazon Prime uploads gives credence to the idea the police no longer find the woman credible

https://i.imgur.com/CCTNhoY.png


https://i.imgur.com/AXCGCuC.jpg

Wow there is definitely a resemblance to the Brazos River rapist with blonde hair and one from the grocery robbers in Washington State. The other guy looks at least a bit similar with a mustache that matches.

This episode made me mad, beating and raping a woman in front of her son. What evidence is there to say it's a hoax? I've read through this thread but nothing concrete.

This episode made me mad, beating and raping a woman in front of her son. What evidence is there to say it's a hoax? I've read through this thread but nothing concrete.

Other than the comments on the blog, there's never been anything released by the police indicating that they believed the case was a hoax. The only questionable behavior was Radke and Treuter obtaining a photo of one of the suspects prior to the line-up.

https://i.imgur.com/AXCGCuC.jpg




Pardon me, but I am I the only one who believes the blond grocery sketch looks like Larry Bird?

Maybe I missed something, but I'm uncomfortable that Teresa's claims of rape are being disbelieved because some weirdo came out with a blog claiming Teresa is scamming money off people via the internet by falsely claiming she has a cancer-stricken daughter.


My problem with it has nothing to do with a blog. I look at the story and have one question.. What does the son say? He'd be.. about 30 now... Does he verify the story? We never seem to hear anything from him..