I know there was a similar thread in the UM forum about possible brushes with killers, but I was wondering if anyone has ever had actual contact with or known on a personal level someone who was either a suspected or convicted murderer?

I personally have two, and both were the results of where I work. I work in an HVAC wholesaler in sales. We get a lot of customer traffic on a daily basis (the majority are licensed contractors who either work for themselves or for a large company, sometimes we get the occasional homeowner trying to fix their own units), and there are two customers (one of whom was actually convicted) who are suspected to have been involved in their wives disappearances. The first guy, DJ, is someone who I have had little contact with over the years. Maybe 4-5 times. He's very quiet, and he would have just been another random face we see on a daily basis had it not been for someone who told me about his wife who disappeared a couple of years ago. Here's the link to her Charley Project page: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rust_michelle.html

I honestly don't know the guy from Adam outside of the usual customer exchange of words, but if the Charley Project page is accurate, the circumstances of her disappearance definitely do not paint him in the most favorable light. Like I said he's quiet, and other than that I really don't know much about the guy.

The other guy was someone who was more of a frequent customer. He was EXTREMELY friendly, always joking around, always laughing, etc. All in all the guy was a customer I considered one to look forward waiting on. Occasionally, he would show up reeking of booze (but in the HVAC industry, this is not that uncommon), but I had never seen the guy angry or upset in my life. Like I said, he was always jovial and someone who was very easy to get along with. Then one day when I'm at the gym, I see on the news his mug shot flash across the screen. The gym I go to has 7-8 televisions all spread apart and they are all on different channels. And because I listen to my iPod when I workout, I didn't hear what was said on the news. So when I get to work, I google his name, and stumble upon HIS wife's Charley Project page: (the link to the actual page is no longer there since her case has been solved, but it's here in the resolved section under "Christine Ann Jarrett") http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved/resolved82.html

My jaw almost hit the floor. I know it sounds cliché, and you've probably heard it a thousand times, but I would have never in a million years suspected that this guy had ANY sort of baggage, let alone this magnitude. Here's another link to an article written after he was convicted for his wife's murder: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-08/news/bs-md-jarrett-sentencing-20130808_1_robert-jarrett-jr-christine-jarrett-bernhardt

The worst part of all is his youngest son is in the industry and he's a good customer of ours, too. I feel the worst for him and his brother, especially now knowing that his father killed his mother...it's just an all around sad, sad, story. One that I never dreamed I would have known some of the principles.

On a side note, the man who represented him at his trial was also my lawyer back when I got a DUI when I was 21. Weird.

I know there was a similar thread in the UM forum about possible brushes with killers, but I was wondering if anyone has ever had actual contact with or known on a personal level someone who was either a suspected or convicted murderer?

I personally have two, and both were the results of where I work. I work in an HVAC wholesaler in sales. We get a lot of customer traffic on a daily basis (the majority are licensed contractors who either work for themselves or for a large company, sometimes we get the occasional homeowner trying to fix their own units), and there are two customers (one of whom was actually convicted) who are suspected to have been involved in their wives disappearances. The first guy, DJ, is someone who I have had little contact with over the years. Maybe 4-5 times. He's very quiet, and he would have just been another random face we see on a daily basis had it not been for someone who told me about his wife who disappeared a couple of years ago. Here's the link to her Charley Project page: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rust_michelle.html

I honestly don't know the guy from Adam outside of the usual customer exchange of words, but if the Charley Project page is accurate, the circumstances of her disappearance definitely do not paint him in the most favorable light. Like I said he's quiet, and other than that I really don't know much about the guy.

The other guy was someone who was more of a frequent customer. He was EXTREMELY friendly, always joking around, always laughing, etc. All in all the guy was a customer I considered one to look forward waiting on. Occasionally, he would show up reeking of booze (but in the HVAC industry, this is not that uncommon), but I had never seen the guy angry or upset in my life. Like I said, he was always jovial and someone who was very easy to get along with. Then one day when I'm at the gym, I see on the news his mug shot flash across the screen. The gym I go to has 7-8 televisions all spread apart and they are all on different channels. And because I listen to my iPod when I workout, I didn't hear what was said on the news. So when I get to work, I google his name, and stumble upon HIS wife's Charley Project page: (the link to the actual page is no longer there since her case has been solved, but it's here in the resolved section under "Christine Ann Jarrett") http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved/resolved82.html

My jaw almost hit the floor. I know it sounds cliché, and you've probably heard it a thousand times, but I would have never in a million years suspected that this guy had ANY sort of baggage, let alone this magnitude. Here's another link to an article written after he was convicted for his wife's murder: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-08/news/bs-md-jarrett-sentencing-20130808_1_robert-jarrett-jr-christine-jarrett-bernhardt

The worst part of all is his youngest son is in the industry and he's a good customer of ours, too. I feel the worst for him and his brother, especially now knowing that his father killed his mother...it's just an all around sad, sad, story. One that I never dreamed I would have known some of the principles.

On a side note, the man who represented him at his trial was also my lawyer back when I got a DUI when I was 21. Weird.

Whoa!

If ever I should have to hire someone to do HVAC work, you can bet this post is probably the first thing I'll think of. :lol:

As for the question, I think the closest I ever came to that is growing up with the brother of a man whose wife who had an affair with one of her high school students. The man shot and killed the teenaged lover.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/news/local/eric-mclean-erin-mclean-sean-powell-love-triangle/

I've known a handful of victims and one missing person (sadly), but never a known murderer.

If ever I should have to hire someone to do HVAC work, you can bet this post is probably the first thing I'll think of. :lol:

For the most part, they're just a bunch of close minded right wingers who blame Obama for everything...which is more annoying than dealing with a suspected murderer! :lol:

My schizophrenic cousin murdered his mother in 2002.

I don't remember meeting him (he was about 15 years older than me and lived in a different state) but I knew his mom. She helped take care of my grandmother while she was dying from cancer in 1994.

His behavior was the talk of the family. He was strange, tortured animals as a child, etc. Everyone always said he was going to kill somebody but it didn't really seem that authorities could help until after he'd actually committed a serious crime. AFAIK, he's in prison now.

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This one's not a murder, but a likely justified killing. One of my friends in high school dated a guy that I had dated back when I was 14. (She also dated my husband's brother for a short time.)

She and the boyfriend moved in together right out of high school and apparently he was abusive. I only dated him for about 2 months. He was 16 and I think he was already doing coke at that age. His older brother was a small time dealer, but I thought he just dealt pot. I dunno. The whole family was weird. I broke up with him.

Anyway, while they were in their apartment fighting again, she stabbed him with a steak knife, which nicked his heart. There was little to no external bleeding and she didn't realize the wound was fatal until it was too late. Cops arrived and decided it was self defense so it never went any further legally.

My husband went to school with Troy Wolverton. He lived in our town when they were both kids, and he moved to Ohio in the 10th grade or something like that. Anyway, he ended up stabbing his ex-girlfriend over 40 times, in front of her 8 year old son. Then he went on a high-speed chase with the cops and ended up cutting his own throat.

Here is an article about the crime. (http://mydeathspace.com/article/2010/03/20/Troy_Wolverton_%2828%29_stabbed_his_ex_girlfriend,_Shena_Nolan_%2832%29_over_40_times,_when_she_refused_to_reconcile_with_him____He_then_stabbed_himself_to_death_)

The scary thing is, he tried to contact us (my husband and I) a few years before this. Like he was hinting that he wanted to get together or something, even though we lived hours away and my husband had not seen him in years. He was weird and clingy and I'm so glad nothing ever came of it.

I also went to high school with a guy who was high out of his mind on meth and participated in the murder of a little girl, but I can't say I really knew him.

And my dad worked a job with Danny Coston, who killed two people, but he didn't know him well. Just knew they were on the same jobsite.
Murder of Jacob Wheeler and Jessi Evans (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/gruesome-story-emerges-in-killings/article_0cdf1744-fd5a-11e1-a739-0019bb2963f4.html)

Interesting question. Right out of college I worked as a receptionist for a company here in town. They were subcontracting at our local refinery and they were originally located in Louisiana. The safety director was Terry Dixon who I believe was from nearby Terre Haute, IN. We had often heard of the trouble he had with his stepson Sean. One day Sean was in the office and met him. Seemed like a friendly guy (was in his teens). My job was temporary and it ended eventually as did everyone else from that company and a few years later they were showing a news tease on the Terre Haute tv station and I just glanced and it was a picture of Terry Dixon!!! Of course I watched it and was shocked and horrified to see that the stepson Sean that we had all met shot and killed Terry in his sleep!! I believe he's still in prison and I even have a picture of him posing with all of us in one of my old scrapbooks. :eek:

He's not a murderer, but almost....

I took this internship in the summer of 2011. One of my bosses was this REALLY cranky, mean guy who would constantly berate us and was all around just a jerk to work for. I always complained about him to one of my friends. Well, one morning my friend texted me and was like, "google your boss's name." I was like, umm ok...well, the first thing that came up was his listing on the local sex offender registry. He had done vile things to children and had to live away from schools, etc. *shudder*

I was beyond creeped-out having to work for him after that. Thankfully, the assignment didn't last long.

In the town I grew up in, three young people were charged with the brutal torture and murder of a teenage boy over a decade ago. One of them happened to be the younger brother of one my brother's friends. I had personally met this kid a couple of times and always felt sorry for him since he had suffered brain damage after being hit by a car and was very slow. Since the kid was underage, his name was never publicly released because of the Young Offenders Act here in Canada. He wound up getting a much lighter sentence than the other two perpetrators since they had apparently threatened him into participating in the murder and his defence team claimed he lacked the mental capacity to defend himself. I believe he's been free for a few years now.

Mental disability or not, some of the details of this crime are so horrific that I hope I never cross paths with the guy again.

Several years ago I tried to take an Intro to World Religions class but eventually dropped partly because I was extremely uncomfortable that also taking the class was a guy who took part in a notorious local gang rape and murder of a girl when he was 15 (he was released from CYA when he turned 21). I am his younger brother's age so although I don't know him personally (other than my discomfort being in his presence) I can recall being in the 4th grade and overhearing his poor mother confiding to our teacher her devastation about her son the rapist and her fear that the son who was my age would go down the same path. The son my age found religion and for a while we even went to the same church. Other than trying to go to college I don't know what the rapist brother was doing with his life. I just know that if I ever see him in a classroom again I'll probably drop the course.

Yes. My brother (and to a lesser extant myself) was close friends with Andy Mickel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Mickel

We used to trade/loan game boy games from him from about 1991-7. Eventually we lost touch with him as we were in High school, but he had started to become weirder before that. Eventually he got really into the anti globalization movement, so much so that he justified killing a random cop at a gas station in the middle of the night, then confessed to it on an IndyMedia site.

He's on death row now in California for that murder. We haven't been in touch with him.

What I can remember the most about him was that he was actually very funny. He was very intelligent and good with puns/practical jokes. He used to do things to get a reaction out of people very subtlety. I remember he had a small white beagle dog, and one day when we came over his house, he had colored the dog's ears/back so that he had a snoopy pattern (which fooled me for a minute, until I pet the dog and the marker was on my hand).

My dad knew this guy back in the late 50s, and predicted he'd end up a murderer because he seemed to enjoy attacking people so much. At the time my dad knew him, he was treating the attacks like an amusing game. Really weird dude.

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/taylor-gary-addison.htm

He kept getting put into mental institutions that would let him out on furloughs and he'd commit more crimes.

Some of the things I remember my dad telling me about him (that's not in the links above) was that his parents were well off / well connected, and could pull strings to get lighter punishments for his crimes. He would park in front of people's houses and honk his horn, when they came to the door or looked out the window to see who was there, he'd shoot at them, which he thought was funny. I think he carried a machete in Detroit and either attacked or attempted to attack people with that.

I had graduated from HS and moved to another city with a roommate to attend beauty school. One of the first people I met there was the guy who lived across the street (Bob) and his teenage son (Pat).

I was young and immature, and had a difficult time adjusting to living on my own for the first time. My neighbor took me under his wing, and I got to know him pretty well. Or so I thought! I hung out with the son alone quite a bit, until he decided to move to another state and live with his mom. Then I hung out alone with the dad a lot. I never felt unsafe or uncomfortable being alone with either of them. Neither of them made any moves on me or anything.

The son eventually moved back, but I didn't have much contact with him or the dad by then. I had graduated from cosmetology school and moved back home, and the dad had remarried. I'd call once in awhile to catch up on everyone, but we didn't really have much of a relationship anymore.

One day, Pat was on the news for attacking and attempting to molest a child. I was shocked, as I had never seen that side of him before! I don't remember his sentence, but I do know he was in jail for a long time. State law requires all inmates to submit DNA, and the results are uploaded to see if they match any unsolved crimes. One day there was a hit and, fifteen years later (a little over a year ago), he got caught!

Sixteen years ago, there was a woman who had been raped and murdered under a bridge. She was carrying a bible and was on her way to church when she was attacked. Her left her in a nearby ditch to die. I remember hearing about the case since it was all over the news, but didn't keep tabs on it. The media released a picture of a suspect, but it didn't look like anyone I knew. Turns out Pat is the one who committed the murder, the DNA is how he got caught. He said in court that he had no memory of it, and that he was high on drugs at the time. He still has not been tried for the murder, but he pled guilty in order to avoid the death penalty.

Bob and his new wife eventually divorced. The wife sent me a letter afterwards saying how he abused her and threatened to kill her regularly. I had no idea! She remarried rather quickly, and moved away. After the news came out about Pat, I called her one day because I'm nosy and wanted to know what details she might be willing to divulge.

She really didn't say much at all about the situation. She did tell me one thing though. She was still married to Bob at the time of the crime, and they thought the picture of the suspect looked an awful lot like Pat, enough so that they went to the cops. The cops had no real interest in talking with them, so they figured they'd done their duty and left it at that. I never thought the picture looked like Pat, so I was kinda shocked when she told me that.

At one point, Pat thought his sentencing for attempting to molest the little girl was too strong, so he went to court to see if the judge would lessen it. He told the judge that it wasn't like he had killed anyone! Uh, yeah he had! He just hadn't gotten caught yet.

Sadly, his dad was an abuser, and his older brother is also in prison for rape and other crimes. So I guess it's not too surprising Pat turned out the way he did. After all this came out about the murder, I started researching Pat more and found out about a several other crimes he committed. I'm so glad I never saw that side of him.

One day, Pat was on the news for attacking and attempting to molest a child. I was shocked, as I had never seen that side of him before! I don't remember his sentence, but I do know he was in jail for a long time. State law requires all inmates to submit DNA, and the results are uploaded to see if they match any unsolved crimes. One day there was a hit and, fifteen years later (a little over a year ago), he got caught!

Sixteen years ago, there was a woman who had been raped and murdered under a bridge. She was carrying a bible and was on her way to church when she was attacked. Her left her in a nearby ditch to die. I remember hearing about the case since it was all over the news, but didn't keep tabs on it. The media released a picture of a suspect, but it didn't look like anyone I knew. Turns out Pat is the one who committed the murder, the DNA is how he got caught. He said in court that he had no memory of it, and that he was high on drugs at the time. He still has not been tried for the murder, but he pled guilty in order to avoid the death penalty.

This sounded familiar, so I did a search. I guess I must have read the story online a while back. Is it Patrick Jon Zacharias? The details match up:

Zacharias pleads guilty to murder, rape of Kay Lynn Jackson (http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Patrick-Jon-Zacharias-Kay-Lynn-Jackson-234312301.html)

Zacharias pleads guilty to murder, rape of Kay Lynn Jackson
By KBOI Web Staff Published: Dec 3, 2013 at 4:59 PM MDT


BOISE, Idaho (KBOI) - A 40-year-old man recently charged with murdering a 22-year-old woman back in 1998 has pleaded guilty.

The Ada County Prosecutors office said Patrick Jon Zacharias pleaded guilty Tuesday to first degree murder and rape. Officials charged Zacharias in April for the muder of Kay Lynn Jackson, who was found dead along the Boise Greenbelt, more than 15 years ago on April 5, 1998.

Zacharias, who's already serving a life sentence in prison for lewd conduct with a minor under the age of 16, has been in prison since 2007.

Jackson was walking to church along the Greenbelt carrying a Bible in her hands. Her body was found in a tunnel under the Americana Boulevard bridge.

During his incarceration, a sample of Zacharias’ DNA was taken and entered into a national crime information database, which led to a major break in the case.

Prosecutors and Zacharias have agreed to a plea agreement calling for a life sentence without the possibility of parole after he serves the life sentence he's currently facing. In exchange for the guilty please, the state will not pursue the death penalty.

Should the judge not agree to the agreement or Zacharias is successful in withdrawing his plea, the state would then be free to pursue the death penalty.

He's scheduled to be sentenced Jan. 17.

I've talked about this on the UM boards before. I went to school with this guy (http://wrsimonsen.com/2013/07/30/bosco-murder/), who was briefly on Unsolved Mysteries in the Dannion Brinkley segment:

Also went to school with this guy (http://www.flatheadnewsgroup.com/bigforkeagle/news/jennings-released-from-prison-after-serving-years/article_1ba710a0-22ee-5f42-ae54-aa2515feefd5.html), who was not featured on UM. I didn't know the main subject of the article, but one of the other men involved also went to my high school.

I also lived in the same town as these brothers (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11661073/ns/dateline_nbc/t/inside-dateline-twisted-story-idyllic-town/#.VIZA-Nd1i14) and knew them in passing.

Dang. Lots of high profile crime in such a pretty town. Someone should write a book.

This sounded familiar, so I did a search. I guess I must have read the story online a while back. Is it Patrick Jon Zacharias? The details match up:

Zacharias pleads guilty to murder, rape of Kay Lynn Jackson (http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Patrick-Jon-Zacharias-Kay-Lynn-Jackson-234312301.html)

Yes, Patrick Jon Zacharias. Do you live in Idaho?

For the most part, they're just a bunch of close minded right wingers who blame Obama for everything...which is more annoying than dealing with a suspected murderer! :lol:

No. Just no.

Yes, Patrick Jon Zacharias. Do you live in Idaho?

I'm sorry for my very late response. I only pop in every few months or so. But, no, I've always lived in Virginia. As I mentioned earlier, I read a lot of stories online.

When my mother was a teenager, a murderer lived down the street from her. He abducted 2 little girls from the local zoo, raped and strangled one, the other got away and was able to identify him. He was 16/17 years old at the time.

I once worked with a guy who was in prison and had a teardrop tattoo around his eye. I didn't ask any questions and actually got on pretty well with him.

I also delivered mail to a woman convicted of hiring a hitman to kill her husband back when I was working for the USPS.

I know George Hopper's brother. He and I are good friends.

I never met George as he was already on death row here in Texas for the contract killing of Rozanne Gailiunas in 1983.

I only ever had one conversation with his brother about George's case. I knew it was something he didn't want to discuss.

Guess it depends on what you mean by "know." I went to high-school (and hung out with) one guy who ended up murdering his wife.

I knew another guy who shot his wife but she survived. Amazingly he is out of jail and working at a local diner.

I know another guy who I hung out with a lot who killed another guy but it was ruled self-defense (it wasn't). He also claimed he had killed people in various states (I believe him).

I also went to school with a couple of guys who ended up robbing a local diner and killing the owner. They stabbed him over 100 times and I heard blood was everywhere and the scene was grisly. It was bad enough that the place closed down and never reopened. I didn't know these guys personally, but saw them around (one of them was basically mentally handicapped).

And yet another guy from my high-school robbed a local liquor store and killed the clerk for no reason. Just shot him dead in cold blood. He is now on death row. (I didn't really know this guy well or hang around him).

Oh and I hung around with yet another guy when I was a teen who later ended up killing his wife then shot himself. Murder suicide.

TL;DR- I hung out with 2 dudes in high-school who later killed their wives. I knew of another dude who tried to kill his wife, and hung around another dude who killed a man because this man was pissed he was banging his wife.

God lots of wild people grew up in my town.

Guess it depends on what you mean by "know." I went to high-school (and hung out with) one guy who ended up murdering his wife.

I knew another guy who shot his wife but she survived. Amazingly he is out of jail and working at a local diner.

I know another guy who I hung out with a lot who killed another guy but it was ruled self-defense (it wasn't). He also claimed he had killed people in various states (I believe him).

I also went to school with a couple of guys who ended up robbing a local diner and killing the owner. They stabbed him over 100 times and I heard blood was everywhere and the scene was grisly. It was bad enough that the place closed down and never reopened. I didn't know these guys personally, but saw them around (one of them was basically mentally handicapped).

And yet another guy from my high-school robbed a local liquor store and killed the clerk for no reason. Just shot him dead in cold blood. He is now on death row. (I didn't really know this guy well or hang around him).

Oh and I hung around with yet another guy when I was a teen who later ended up killing his wife then shot himself. Murder suicide.

TL;DR- I hung out with 2 dudes in high-school who later killed their wives. I knew of another dude who tried to kill his wife, and hung around another dude who killed a man because this man was pissed he was banging his wife.

God lots of wild people grew up in my town.

Sheesh. I don't want to be friends with you. :lol:

Sheesh. I don't want to be friends with you. :lol:

No. Just no.

Uh...yes, just yes.

I know George Hopper's brother. He and I are good friends.

I never met George as he was already on death row here in Texas for the contract killing of Rozanne Gailiunas in 1983.

I only ever had one conversation with his brother about George's case. I knew it was something he didn't want to discuss.

When I was growing up my mother had a friend named Joy Aylor. She knew Joy along with her sister Carol. :)

I've told this before but here goes... I worked with a guy who later on married the mother of the guy OJ killed, Ron Goldman. He was an ex-Navy SEAL and I knew him in the Army near Boston. He moved to St. Louis, met this lady, married her and had two kids with her. She must have been kind of young when she had the first two kids (the murdered guy and his sister) because they were already in their early 20s. I last saw him about two years before the OJ deal when I went to St. Louis and looked him up.
It wasn't until the OJ trial that I found out because another co-worker had worked with the guy I knew at a previous assignment. When all the hype was ongoing, the father and sister were all over the news but not the mother. Later research told me that the guy I knew had told the mother to keep a low profile and she did. She later divorced him and he moved back to New Hampshire (there was a newspaper article about him at a VFW event). A few years later OJ was scheduled to give an appearance in St. Louis and cancelled because the mother would get all the money because of the civil case.
I also knew a kid from the reserve who was kind of quiet who later on killed his mother, tried to kill his father and then killed himself.

The first guy from my HS class to die was killed as part of a scuffle over a love triangle but I don't know the details and was not a friend of the guy.

That's all I remember!

I used to work with a woman who was recently convicted of being responsible for a foster child in her care. Based on her eventual confession, it was more of a case of a tragic accident combined with some bad choices than outright murder, but it's all I've got.

There's a guy From My hometown named Kwan Brown, who killed his girlfriend as a juvenile. He got out of Juvi when he was 19. He's a few years older than me, but I remember clearly when it happened. He has come into my store to buy parts every few weeks. Gives me the heebie jeebies.

Unsolved mysteries related-. I was friends, and played tennis with Courtney Johns, who was killed on TWA 800. Her brother is Geoff Johns, who is the Chief Creative Officer at DC comics

I'm related to somebody who killed somebody actually but I haven't seen them since the early 80s a few years before the crime happened. A cousin's son killed a man in the mid 80s in the Minneaplis area. He was in his early 20s at the time. When the incident happened he was high on drugs at the time. As I understand it he was walking down a busy street and a woman came up to him asking for help because another man was following her and bothering her (he didn't know either of these people). So he confronted the other man and then things got physical. And there was a knife, I'm not sure if my cousin's son had it or the other man did. But anyways my cousin's son ended up stabbing the other man to death with it. As I said he was under the influence of something at the time so I believe he ended up being charged with second degree murder or something and was found guilty but didn't get the maximum prison sentence for it either. I saw my cousin at a niece's wedding back in 2010 but we didn't get to talk much and I didn't ask her about him. She died about a year and a half later from cancer. I believe the son is out of prison but I don't know where he is or what he's doing. I have some other family I could ask who probably knows what's happened to him but I haven't because I'm pretty sure they do know but just wouldn't want to talk about it. I don't know part of me wants to know what's become of him and part of me doesn't. A really sad situation all the way around. Don't ever do drugs is all I can say.

Ed.

My husband's Uncle was listed as a murderer, but he wasn't. He was there when it occurred, and under a new sentencing thing, he was told he didn't do enough to stop it, and he was charged and sentenced as if he had done it himself (life - no parole). He even flipped on the guy and cooperated fully, but it didn't matter. After serving the standard sentence he should have gotten, he began to appeal for release. Over the course of 30 years, and many governors, and having a former Attorney General work your case pro bono because it's a gross miscarriage, he never did get out. He died in his cell, much younger than he should have (natural causes - no foul play). Guards and Wardens (current and past) all loved him - said he was a model prisoner and should have never been there that long.

Yup, sure did. I knew a boy who brutally raped and murdered his own grandmother. He will thankfully never see the light of day.

This piece of work lived 2-3 houses down from my parents, moving into the house their friends moved out of. Thankfully though he didn't live there for long.

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/tomich-thomas.htm

Yes, I knew an older teen when I was a kid who brutally killed his maternal grandmother. He recently died in prison. I am still close to his step mom and 2 half sisters.https://law.justia.com/cases/massachusetts/supreme-court/volumes/413/413mass707.html
https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/com-v-gould-894656571

Yes!

While at college in the mid 2000s i found a job in a travel agency, which was great because it was within walking distance from home and my boss was so cool when it was quiet i could do a lot of my college work.

My route to work was a 10-15 minute walk past a canal and a footpath that led out on to a small subdivision of houses built in the 1960s. It wasn't long before i started to see two people. One a scruffy almost homeless looking man wearing a green vietnam style jacket and the other a woman always dressed in a business skirt suit, both with their dogs.

Somedays they would be talking and others kinda kissing and hugging, this went on for months. Until one day my boss told me i could come in 15 minutes later than normal because someone was coming in to test the alarms. So that day instead of seeing them together, the guy is walking away and as i get to a little passage way that lead out to the houses i can see her just coming out of it and on to the street.

Thats when i see her put the dog inside and embrace a man outside a house, before both of them get in a car. it's her husband! this woman was having some strange affair, where using the excuse of her walking her dog would meet up with the scruffy guy before work.

This went on for maybe 2 years, before i left my job and then my town....

Fast forward to 2020, everything closes thanks to the pandemic, people working from home... well it turns out their affair had gone on for at least 15 years, as soon as covid hits, they couldn't see each other anymore...

One night he breaks into their home while they slept, he kills her and her husband and even their 4 year old daughter. He then goes the local gas station and lights himself on fire. somehow he survives and has been in jail ever since...

I mentioned in the Tommy Zeiglar thread that I am from Winter Garden. Eunice Edwards was a new 4th grade teacher the year I was in 4 th grade. That was the year that she married Tommy. She was so excited about her wedding. We knew all about it. My classroom was next door to hers and our classes had PE together.

I knew (of) Tommy through Eunice and all my life from the furniture store. My family were customers. I have memories of going in there as a child. My aunt and uncle and Tommy’s parents were friends . We all went to church together at First Baptist. Tommy’s parents left their home to the pastor when they died.

My mother, aunt and my aunt’s sister-in-law attended Tommy’s trial.

I think it would be scary to meet one!

My mother's half-sister.

The first time I met her was in 2000, after she was paroled after serving 15 years in prison for murdering her first husband. My aunt shot him to death in a grocery store parking lot, claiming she was tired of him beating her. What didn't help her case is that she tried to load his body in the trunk of her car, in broad daylight nonetheless, where many people witnessed the events that transpired.

She ended up marrying a convicted rapist after her prison sentence and had two children with him. I held her infant son a few times but not her infant daughter. The last time I saw my aunt and cousins was at my maternal grandmother's funeral in 2005. She is divorced now but still in trouble with the law. My mother and I have no contact with them and wish not to.

Yup, sure did. I knew a boy who brutally raped and murdered his own grandmother. He will thankfully never see the light of day.He sure doesnt deserve to :(

Poor grandma.......

I have one with a small twist at the end. When I was in HS my GF and I used to have a guy who would plop down at our table sometimes and eat with us. He was kind of an affable schlub so we didnt mind. He was several years behind us class wise. He talked sometimes about his GF that went to another local school and had even asked if we wanted to double date with them sometime. Not our thing so we never did.

Fast forward a couple years, I flip on the 11 pm news and they are covering a murder-suicide and jumpin jesus on a pogo stick when they post up the ubiquitous yearbook photo it is the same guy ! Killed the aforementioned GF and then himself. Sad situation.

Fair warning you may see this coming from a mile away but many,many years later my mother, who never met a stranger, made friends with another woman about her age. One night at Sunday dinner she was mentioning that this person was having some health issues and I asked if she had relatives locally. My mother told me the husband was deceased and her son also under some tragi...BOOM ! It hit me at that moment like a ton of bricks SHE WAS HIS MOTHER ! I never put 2 and 2 together even though I knew the last name

I have known 3. An uncle murdered my Aunt because she left him. He was an abusive alcoholic. Shot her in the head on their twins birthday. Baytown, TX. Dont remember the year. I was around 14, 65 now. Worked right next to a guy, same issues as my uncle. His wife dissapeared about 40 years ago. Neighbors and friends of hers believe her murdered her, fed her to their pigs and buried her remains under a concrete patio he had poured shortly after. Kelly Seglier did an episode with interviews with people around Alton and West Plains, MO that knew her. She lived in Alton, MO. I cant think of their names right know but when I do, I'll update. A friend who was taking care of a very elderly lady did horrible things to this lady including biting off a ripple. Jennifer Collins from West Plains, MO. Murder occurred I think Pocahontas, AR.

Welcome to the site my friend!

I spent most of my life working in law. We usually did defense but we somehow ended up representing a mass murderer. He wanted the chair. There is but some much you can do. He wanted the chair and he got the chair.

So this isnt exactly met or known but it popped in my head after my last post since it occurred roughly in the same time frame.

I worked in the real estate department of a bank, one of the things I did was delinquent loans.

One that I dealt with was a sad case, a man killed his wife and left his children parent less. Due to the circumstances under which it happened it was pretty notorious in our area. I was dealing with lawyers for the children because,compassion aside, the last thing the bank needed to do was foreclose on a home in these circumstances.

So all correspondence in regard to it came across my desk, including the letters the murderer was sending to us from his cell....rather eerie.