http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57612521-504083/mcstay-family-update-human-remains-found-in-mojave-desert-belong-to-calif-family-missing-since-2010-relative-says/


I know a lot of people on here follow current missing persons case, this one always bothered me. I'm sad this story has a sad ending, but hopefully it will help the family find closure.

It's being discussed heavily in the "CURRENT mysteries that'd be great for UM" thread. That's a more appropriate place to discuss it since this case was never on UM.

All I can say is wow! I really thought they had gone to Mexico! Now the question is, who did it??

I can't imagine what their family must be going through right now. This is not the ending we were hoping for. I wonder if the children are nearby. :(

I can't imagine what their family must be going through right now. This is not the ending we were hoping for. I wonder if the children are nearby. :(

Hate to say it, but most likely they are the other two remains found in the grave.

I'm watching Michael McStay's interview with Nancy Grace right now. To be frank, that woman needs to be smacked across the mouth. The man was literally just informed that his brother's remains were found in the middle of the desert, and NG is all like, "DO YOU THINK HIS WIFE DID IT?!?" Ugh I cannot stand her.

I hope Michael finds some peace and healing in time.

Nancy Grace. The woman who was hellbent in her insistence that the Duke Lacrosse players were guilty, to the point I'm surprised she didn't bring out the torches and pitchforks and show up at their door. I'm not sure she ever apologized for that, or even acknowledged she was wrong and just pretty much glossed over the whole thing. She's kind of the Sylvia Brown of journalism.

Nancy Grace. The woman who was hellbent in her insistence that the Duke Lacrosse players were guilty, to the point I'm surprised she didn't bring out the torches and pitchforks and show up at their door. I'm not sure she ever apologized for that, or even acknowledged she was wrong and just pretty much glossed over the whole thing. She's kind of the Sylvia Brown of journalism.

PERFECT descriptor.

And I am certain she will never, ever apologize to those men. In Nancy's world, it's more important to be "right" than humanly decent.

Another guy getting a lot of flack right now is Rick Baker, who published a book earlier this year about the McStay case. It was denounced by Summer's family since he apparently painted Summer in a negative light and theorized that she murdered her husband and took off with the children, even though there was never any evidence to suggest that. The book is being pulled from Amazon, Baker's personal blog has been taken down, and the guy is now in full ass-covering mode:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/McStay-Family-Fallbrook-Rick-Baker-Author--232108771.html

I'm watching Michael McStay's interview with Nancy Grace right now. To be frank, that woman needs to be smacked across the mouth. The man was literally just informed that his brother's remains were found in the middle of the desert, and NG is all like, "DO YOU THINK HIS WIFE DID IT?!?" Ugh I cannot stand her.

I hope Michael finds some peace and healing in time.

Can't stand her. Don't understand the appeal of her show. She's constantly belittling her guests and talks over them 95% of the time.

Another guy getting a lot of flack right now is Rick Baker, who published a book earlier this year about the McStay case. It was denounced by Summer's family since he apparently painted Summer in a negative light and theorized that she murdered her husband and took off with the children, even though there was never any evidence to suggest that. The book is being pulled from Amazon, Baker's personal blog has been taken down, and the guy is now in full ass-covering mode:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/McStay-Family-Fallbrook-Rick-Baker-Author--232108771.html

Interestingly, Rick Baker's overview on the back cover of his book reads "Are there four bodies buried in a shallow Southern California grave,..."

The book is still available online, and you can click on a picture of the back cover.

http://www.amazon.com/No-Goodbyes-Mysterious-Disappearance-McStay/dp/1625104219/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1384617869&sr=1-1&keywords=mcstay+family

Interestingly, Rick Baker's overview on the back cover of his book reads "Are there four bodies buried in a shallow Southern California grave,..."

Whoa.....

I haven't followed this case. Only knew the McStays by their last name. I didn't know what they looked like and only remember the video of the family allegedly crossing the border into Mexico. I don't have any info on the players in these murders, but that back cover quote is certainly specific as to the location and that the graves were shallow. Very weird.

And I don't know why I still bother reading that Daily Mail rag. I won't link to the article, but as of an hour ago, they were still erroneously reporting that the bodies were all discovered in Mexico. :rolleyes:

This case has alot of questions

1.Why did the McStay Family leave their home in such a hurry?

2. If the 4 on surveilance Border Patrol video were not the McStays who were they?

3. Who did the searches on the computer about traveling to Mexico? If it was not the McStays

4. Why did Summer McStay change her name so often? Was she hiding from someone? If she was who? And did whoever she was hiding from eventually find her?

It seems to me the key to the mystery of the case lies within Summer McStays past

This case has alot of questions

1.Why did the McStay Family leave their home in such a hurry?

2. If the 4 on surveilance Border Patrol video were not the McStays who were they?

3. Who did the searches on the computer about traveling to Mexico? If it was not the McStays

4. Why did Summer McStay change her name so often? Was she hiding from someone? If she was who? And did whoever she was hiding from eventually find her?

It seems to me the key to the mystery of the case lies within Summer McStays past

1. I actually thought about that. I wonder if someone could have gotten access to their vehicle while it was parked at their residence, not unlike what happened in the Angelo Desideri segment.

2. Probably just everyday people. As I mentioned before, I never thought those people were the McStays. It looks like 2 pairs of people, rather than a group of 4.

4. I don't know, but I was reading that Summer was exhibiting bizarre behavior before their disapperance. There's a possibility of mental issues there.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508766/Mystery-McStay-money-Family-dead-barely-afford-rent-despite-100k-bank.html

Interesting read.

Another guy getting a lot of flack right now is Rick Baker, who published a book earlier this year about the McStay case. It was denounced by Summer's family since he apparently painted Summer in a negative light and theorized that she murdered her husband and took off with the children, even though there was never any evidence to suggest that. The book is being pulled from Amazon, Baker's personal blog has been taken down, and the guy is now in full ass-covering mode:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/McStay-Family-Fallbrook-Rick-Baker-Author--232108771.html

His blog is back up so no he is not in covering mode.

Anyway let's not rag on him or anyone else for that matter. It's not gonna bring this family back. People need to let the past go & look to seeing justice being done.

I'm watching Michael McStay's interview with Nancy Grace right now. To be frank, that woman needs to be smacked across the mouth. The man was literally just informed that his brother's remains were found in the middle of the desert, and NG is all like, "DO YOU THINK HIS WIFE DID IT?!?" Ugh I cannot stand her.

I hope Michael finds some peace and healing in time.

Someone said on another messageboard that the showing on Friday was not all new just some of it.

Nancy Grace. The woman who was hellbent in her insistence that the Duke Lacrosse players were guilty, to the point I'm surprised she didn't bring out the torches and pitchforks and show up at their door. I'm not sure she ever apologized for that, or even acknowledged she was wrong and just pretty much glossed over the whole thing. She's kind of the Sylvia Brown of journalism.

I'm sorry but don't even compare her to Sylvia. You don't have to like her but she is nothing like that scamming witch.

Someone said on another messageboard that the showing on Friday was not all new just some of it.

It doesn't matter. Nancy Grace is consistently rude and demeaning to nearly all of her guests. She talks over them, she barks at them, she NEVER acknowledges when she is wrong (so at least in this way, she is pretty much exactly like Sylvia Brown). She is, by far, one of the most noxious personalities on television today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508766/Mystery-McStay-money-Family-dead-barely-afford-rent-despite-100k-bank.html

Interesting read.

Thanks for posting the link. That IS interesting.

It doesn't matter. Nancy Grace is consistently rude and demeaning to nearly all of her guests. She talks over them, she barks at them, she NEVER acknowledges when she is wrong (so at least in this way, she is pretty much exactly like Sylvia Brown). She is, by far, one of the most noxious personalities on television today.
I agree. I tried watching her show a couple of times because she would cover missing persons, but her attitude turned me off entirely. The worst case I can recall is when she was interviewing Elizabeth Smart and kept trying to get her to talk about things Elizabeth would politely decline to answer. Eventually, Elizabeth had to tell her to stop and that she didn't appreciate it. You have a kidnapping survivor on your show, who has been gracious enough to take the time to be interviewed and talk about the most traumatic time of her life--and you pester her and try to get her to talk about things she's not comfortable talking about? Get some sensitivity lessons, Nancy.

I haven't seen much of Nancy Grace's show. Basically, a few bits and pieces here and there. But from what I've seen, she repeats the same things over and over and tries to elicit certain responses from guests, and if she doesn't wrangle what she wants to hear out of them, she orders the techs to cut their microphone off. A real class act, low that is.

And let's not forget Ms. Grace's fantastic handling of Trenton Duckett's mother which contributed to her suicide just hours after the interview, leaving Trenton's dad with almost no chance of finding his precious boy.

And let's not forget Ms. Grace's fantastic handling of Trenton Duckett's mother which contributed to her suicide just hours after the interview, leaving Trenton's dad with almost no chance of finding his precious boy.

I did not know about this. How this woman still has a show is beyond me.

I'm sorry but don't even compare her to Sylvia. You don't have to like her but she is nothing like that scamming witch.

You're right, she's worse.

I agree. I tried watching her show a couple of times because she would cover missing persons, but her attitude turned me off entirely. The worst case I can recall is when she was interviewing Elizabeth Smart and kept trying to get her to talk about things Elizabeth would politely decline to answer. Eventually, Elizabeth had to tell her to stop and that she didn't appreciate it. You have a kidnapping survivor on your show, who has been gracious enough to take the time to be interviewed and talk about the most traumatic time of her life--and you pester her and try to get her to talk about things she's not comfortable talking about? Get some sensitivity lessons, Nancy.

You'll like this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-doyle/nancy-grace_b_1289604.html

On her days as a prosecutor:

Grace...had two convictions thrown out by the Supreme Court of Georgia, once for insinuating unrelated rapes and murders into her closing arguments, and in the second instance being reprimanded, "the conduct of the prosecuting attorney in this case demonstrated her disregard of the notions of due process and fairness, and was inexcusable.

She also crucified that drifter who died in prison in the Elizabeth Smart case. At least she didn't clutter the news cycle with a mea culpa.

You'll like this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-doyle/nancy-grace_b_1289604.html

On her days as a prosecutor:

Grace...had two convictions thrown out by the Supreme Court of Georgia, once for insinuating unrelated rapes and murders into her closing arguments, and in the second instance being reprimanded, "the conduct of the prosecuting attorney in this case demonstrated her disregard of the notions of due process and fairness, and was inexcusable.

Yep, sums her up pretty nicely. And that bit about her days as a prosecutor didn't surprise me at all; she is completely unethical and really has no business being in the courtroom or on television, in my opinion. To sum up my experience with her, I heard bad things about her, tried to give her a chance, and saw that everyone was right. I wish they would can her.

On an amusing note, the now-defunct series Infomania poked fun of her and the way she says, ''Good night, friend'' to the camera at the end of every show. Bet you can still find that on the bad site. :p The title is (fittingly) ''Nancy Dis-Grace.''

And let's not forget Ms. Grace's fantastic handling of Trenton Duckett's mother which contributed to her suicide just hours after the interview, leaving Trenton's dad with almost no chance of finding his precious boy.

I can let that one slide, honestly. Trenton's mother is very obviously guilty (which the police were initially oblivious to) and not only that, but tried to make her innocent husband out to be a spouse and child abuser and child killer (which he was not). She was a ticking time bomb, with a long history of depression, mental issues and threats to committ suicide, so her taking her own life was probably inevitable. I'm comfortable with the knowledge that murderer is no longer walking the streets and can't birth any more children to kill.

She was a ticking time bomb, with a long history of depression, mental issues and threats to committ suicide, so her taking her own life was probably inevitable.

So with all that in mind, you're indifferent to Nancy Grace's confrontational tactics which led to Duckett's mom committing suicide? And you don't know for sure if she would've done it anyways. There's no excuse for that kind of behaviour on the part of Nancy Grace. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

So with all that in mind, you're indifferent to Nancy Grace's confrontational tactics which led to Duckett's mom committing suicide? And you don't know for sure if she would've done it anyways. There's no excuse for that kind of behaviour on the part of Nancy Grace. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

You're trying to make it seem Nancy was directly responsible for her death. I'm no fan of Nancy, but I think that's an extreme statement. The only blame to put on Melinda's suicide was Melinda, who did it out of guilt. Nancy was putting pressure on her because the police wouldn't.

And while I disagree with a lot of what Nancy Grace does, it's important to remember why she got in the legal profession to being with: the murder of her husband. Perhaps she just has some unresolved issues over grieving about his death.

You're trying to make it seem Nancy was directly responsible for her death.

No I'm not. But it was definitely a trigger.

The only blame to put on Melinda's suicide was Melinda, who did it out of guilt.

Guilt for what? Why are you still ignoring due process and condemning her as guilty?


Nancy was putting pressure on her because the police wouldn't.

Not only is that not true, but it's a poor excuse. The police already considered Duckett's parents to be suspects.


And while I disagree with a lot of what Nancy Grace does, it's important to remember why she got in the legal profession to being with: the murder of her husband. Perhaps she just has some unresolved issues over grieving about his death.

Pure speculation. I don't recall John Walsh becoming a detestable, aggressive, unlikeable person after the death of his son. Any unresolved issues Nancy Grace has are her own, she shouldn't be taking it out on others. She's a disgrace to the legal profession, and TV journalism.

I see that you're new to the boards, having just signed up yesterday. Perhaps I should explain some things:

Speculation is largely what we do here. That's why trying to knock someone's post as "speculation" doesn't fly very far.

Trying to say that Nancy Grace's treatment of Melinda was a "trigger" for her suicide is a hard case to make. I read an article a few days ago about how most people that commit suicide do so over the most innocuous things. Things that seem petty to most everyone else, are enough to drive certain people to suicide. There's also a time issue involved. Had they waited a few days, a few hours, the problem that drove them to suicide would have largely blown over. And btw, saying that Nancy drove Melinda to suicide is also speculation.

Melinda is guilty of murder. Do you care to make a case for her innocence?

Wasn't Nancy Grace the one who began speculation about the "meter reader" in the Casey Anthony case being involved somehow?

Please note that I say NG contributed to Trenton's mother's suicide not triggered it, and my concern was only with the timeline. I do honestly believe that Trenton's mother would have killed herself eventually. However, I think the NG interview shortened that timeline considerably. That extra time MAY have made a difference in the investigation and perhaps they could have found Trenton so that his dad could properly bury him.

And while I disagree with a lot of what Nancy Grace does, it's important to remember why she got in the legal profession to being with: the murder of her husband. Perhaps she just has some unresolved issues over grieving about his death.

Loss doesn't excuse her behavior. It might explain it, but having a murdered fiance in 1979 does not give ANYONE free license to act the way NG does in perpetuity. (The same murder case that she embellished a bit in her book, btw.) She wasn't an amazing lawyer and she pretty much behaved the way in court that she does on television. She stopped practicing when her boss wasn't re-elected which is a bit of an indicator as to her reputation as well.

My main issue with her is that her abrasive demeanor does way more harm than good as it tends to cause people to ignore the actual victims/case/issue. Unless someone is a big fan of hers, the moment they hear her voice they tend to tune out and that is terrible. I also don't give a darn if Melinda was guilty, that wasn't for NG to decide and handle that way. The "vodka mom" suicide was equally reprehensible. It's impossible to say if either woman would still be alive today, but to discount the influence of an entire nation seeing them torn apart and bullied by NG is ridiculous.

Even if Duckett's mother was guilty, now we may never know since that nut Nancy Grace drove her to kill herself.

Nancy Grace IS extremely rude to her guest as well as demeaning. At times when she suspects guilt...she has that person tried, convicted, & sentenced when her "SHOW" is not the place for that. That's why we have courtrooms. She should be very careful about the dirt she digs up on others, because it might be the same dirt to bury her, but then when you put lipstick on a pig...it's still a PIG.

Now about the Mcstay Family first my heart & prayers are with the family, friends, & loved ones. Such a sad ending...when I saw the segment on Disappeared I NEVER thought that was the family crossing into Mexico. Money was being transferred out of Joey Mcstay account via PayPal on 2/6. IMO they were murdered on 2/4 the same night they were last seen leaving their home. From the police standpoint when the family was "missing" they didn't investigate money being transferred from Joey's business account because they couldn't prove a crime had been committed. It's not against the law for a family to leave & start a new life elsewhere, but now that the remains of Summer and Joey have been positively identified they HAVE to investigate/follow the money trail. A total of 24,000 was taken out of his account before it was closed. I provided a link below.

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2013/11/who-killed-joey-and-summer-mcstay.html?m=1

If it were a professional "hit" then perhaps that would explain why it would be easy to kill two small children. Because to that person/persons its simply a job. I'm not too sure about this theory.

There's a lot of questions about Summer's past (her real name is Virginia Lisa Aranda) & also Joey's business partner. I do think his business partner was involved and the one minute call (smh) made from Joey's cell phone was not made by him and their vehicle that was left down by the border was placed there by someone else to throw police off & to make them think they vanished on there own free will in which worked for a while. What NEVER made sense to me about disappearing to Mexico is...if you feel as if your life is in danger the first place you attempt to go is MEXICO??? Really?? And leave your vehicle...by the border?? Why did his brother wait so long to report them missing?? I saw the tape from when Tim Miller was there at the McStay home with Mike and from his behavior you would have sworn that Tim was hired to help make renovations in the home instead of trying to shed some light on what could have happened to his family. Here's another link that's very interesting.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510247/EXCLUSIVE-Suspect-murdered-McStay-family-mystery-disappearance-person-speak-father-alive-breaks-year-silence-hit-claims-involved.html
All in all it's a very sad ending, but I also think there's WAY more to this story.

Loss doesn't excuse her behavior. It might explain it, but having a murdered fiance in 1979 does not give ANYONE free license to act the way NG does in perpetuity. (The same murder case that she embellished a bit in her book, btw.) She wasn't an amazing lawyer and she pretty much behaved the way in court that she does on television. She stopped practicing when her boss wasn't re-elected which is a bit of an indicator as to her reputation as well.

My main issue with her is that her abrasive demeanor does way more harm than good as it tends to cause people to ignore the actual victims/case/issue. Unless someone is a big fan of hers, the moment they hear her voice they tend to tune out and that is terrible. I also don't give a darn if Melinda was guilty, that wasn't for NG to decide and handle that way. The "vodka mom" suicide was equally reprehensible. It's impossible to say if either woman would still be alive today, but to discount the influence of an entire nation seeing them torn apart and bullied by NG is ridiculous.

What does Nancy's boss have anything to do with her? She's not responsible for her boss's behavior, nor is she responsible for his/her re-election loss.

How exactly is Nancy Grace to blame for Melinda Duckett's suicide? Because she asked her some tough questions? Boo-freakin'-hoo. Melinda wanted us to believe she drove Trenton to a shooting range (?!) and then got lost for EIGHT HOURS! It's a ludicrous alibi, but the naive LE initially believed everything she said and are anxiously still trying to prove her alibi today. Nobody can account for her claims of driving around, despite being in public places for 8 hours (like Tim McClure). Witnesses did, however, place her in her hometown at that time she was supposedly driving around Ocala. She had the cruelty to throw Trenton's toys, photographs and sonogram images away, refused to take a polygraph, and failed a voice stress analysis test. She's as guilty as sin.

And unless Melinda's suicide notes said "I killed myself because of Nancy Grace" there is absolutely no way to prove that's why she did it. Again, I'm no fan of Nancy Grace, but I don't think she's in the wrong here. I also don't think she did anything illegal. Melinda's opportunistic parents saw $$ and decided to cash in. Happens a lot in today's society.

I also am also of the mind that Nancy Grace is not only not responsible for Melissa Duckett's decision to take her life, but she also is not culpable, legally or ethically.

1. Grace is a (vapid and rabid, but nonetheless) television host with a reputation for asking very pointed questions in an aggressive manner. Duckett did not have to agree to an interview on Grace's television show.

2. It is reasonable to assume that Grace was not aware that Duckett was (previously or at the time of the interview) having suicidal ideations.

3. I strongly believe in dismantling the plethora of horrible stereotypes about suicide victims. I make it a point to speak up when the subject comes up in any setting that I may be in. I've received professional training on interacting with and caring for a potential or known suicidal person. But ultimately, no one--no matter whether they were in emotional or physical pain, suffering from illness of the mind or body, or reeling from a majorly traumatic event--is responsible for a suicide victim's death but the victim. That isn't being cold. That is a fact. You absolutely cannot ultimately control the actions of another human being. You can--and should--care for them, always. But just as it isn't your fault when someone you're caring for ends up going through with a suicide plan, it's not the fault of anyone else in that person's life, either--regardless of what sort of influence those people were.

What does Nancy's boss have anything to do with her? She's not responsible for her boss's behavior, nor is she responsible for his/her re-election loss.

How exactly is Nancy Grace to blame for Melinda Duckett's suicide? Because she asked her some tough questions? Boo-freakin'-hoo. Melinda wanted us to believe she drove Trenton to a shooting range (?!) and then got lost for EIGHT HOURS! It's a ludicrous alibi, but the naive LE initially believed everything she said and are anxiously still trying to prove her alibi today. Nobody can account for her claims of driving around, despite being in public places for 8 hours (like Tim McClure). Witnesses did, however, place her in her hometown at that time she was supposedly driving around Ocala. She had the cruelty to throw Trenton's toys, photographs and sonogram images away, refused to take a polygraph, and failed a voice stress analysis test. She's as guilty as sin.

And unless Melinda's suicide notes said "I killed myself because of Nancy Grace" there is absolutely no way to prove that's why she did it. Again, I'm no fan of Nancy Grace, but I don't think she's in the wrong here. I also don't think she did anything illegal. Melinda's opportunistic parents saw $$ and decided to cash in. Happens a lot in today's society.

Hey wiseguy-apparently there is a web page out there that defends Trenton's mother. Though I do not know that I agree with the web page. But I find it strange the things found in the trash were packed neatly in a suitcase and rapped up as if to be moved somewhere. Why would you pack something so neatly if you were going to just dump it in the dumpster? That does not make sense to me. Very strange. The mother did move back in with her parents refusing to live in her apartment after Trenton's disappearance. There were pictures of her room at her parents with Trenton's bed, and birthday toys, baby book and car seats. So's she still had some of Trenton's things. My question about the birthday toys is did those toys ever make it to her apartment and then were moved back there with her or were they always there until she could come get them or her parents could bring them to her? It makes a difference. And about her selling Trenton's car seat. I do not care if she had three or four car seats for him. Why would she even think about selling anything of his after he went missing? You think she be busy out there doing everything to find him.

Can we refocus back on mcstays?

What does Nancy's boss have anything to do with her? She's not responsible for her boss's behavior, nor is she responsible for his/her re-election loss.

How exactly is Nancy Grace to blame for Melinda Duckett's suicide? Because she asked her some tough questions? Boo-freakin'-hoo. Melinda wanted us to believe she drove Trenton to a shooting range (?!) and then got lost for EIGHT HOURS! It's a ludicrous alibi, but the naive LE initially believed everything she said and are anxiously still trying to prove her alibi today. Nobody can account for her claims of driving around, despite being in public places for 8 hours (like Tim McClure). Witnesses did, however, place her in her hometown at that time she was supposedly driving around Ocala. She had the cruelty to throw Trenton's toys, photographs and sonogram images away, refused to take a polygraph, and failed a voice stress analysis test. She's as guilty as sin.

And unless Melinda's suicide notes said "I killed myself because of Nancy Grace" there is absolutely no way to prove that's why she did it. Again, I'm no fan of Nancy Grace, but I don't think she's in the wrong here. I also don't think she did anything illegal. Melinda's opportunistic parents saw $$ and decided to cash in. Happens a lot in today's society.


People who stop practicing because their "boss" is no longer around typically know that their days at their job are now numbered. I was adding this in as evidence of her shaky reputation as a prosecutor. Not saying that NG had anything to do with her boss no longer being around.

I do not think NG is directly responsible for Melinda's suicide. I'm only saying that to state the exact opposite is just as silly/erroneous. Suicide is a complicated thing and to think that someone interrogating someone in that manner had no effect whatsoever just seems a bit...wrong. (Also don't recall saying that NG is legally culpable, either, but whatever.)

Can we refocus back on mcstays?

I certainly hope so.

Yeah, I heard that they've identified all the bodies. Their two little sons were with them. I'm not too surprised by this but still kind of :(

There are a few certainties behind this. Their trooper left at 7:47pm. Last phone call was to Chase Merritt at 8:28pm which lasted a minute and there was no pickup.

Car was found 4 days later on border.

What I can derive is that there has to be more than 1 person involved in this. For one person to carry 4 bodies and bury them means there at least has to be more than one person.

Police seem to have suspected foul play. From the people involved, LE was questionign everyone. With the bodies, I expect the pieces to fall into place.

Police seem to have suspected foul play. From the people involved, LE was questionign everyone. With the bodies, I expect the pieces to fall into place.

I don't agree. Police seemed to have believed they crossed into Mexico. Mr. McStay's brother has called the investigation into their disappearances as incompetent.

http://www.mcstayfamily.org/mcstay-family-has-no-affiliation-with-rick-baker


Mcstay Family not Happy!

I just watched the Disappeared episode yesterday for the first time, and man, the investigators played up the 'voluntarily vanished into Mexico' angle TO THE HILT!!! Unfortunately, I fear this investigation is going back to square one because LE wasted so much time chasing down that ridiculous theory. It was telling that several family members were convinced it wasn't them. And if that wasn't enough, the tape is from 7:00 p.m, yet the McStays vehicle left their garage at 7:47 p.m., so it was VERY CLEARLY NOT THEM! And when you add that to my original statement that a family that walks together will be doing so side by side, and not spaced apart like the people in the tape were, it just further reinforces the fact that it was not the McStays. This investigation has been seriously bungled for nearly 4 years now and I fear a lot of crucial evidence may be lost because of it.

To answer blaquediamond's earlier question of why Joseph's brother waiting so long to report them missing: apparently it had something to do with their dogs. Michael had visited their home on numerous occasions and noticed the dog dishes were moved and apparently had been feed, so he figured Joseph asked someone to take care of them while they were away. At least that's what he claims.

FWIW, Summer's sister claims Summer liked to change her name regularly. I don't know if I believe that, but there it is.

I had speculated earlier that someone may have been hiding out in the family vehicle. I think either that was the case, or someone broke into their home (even with them there). The way the house was left (food being left out to spoil, etc) I don't think they left on their own accord.

wow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533474/EXCLUSIVE-McStay-family-husband-feared-wife-POISONING-disappeared-dead-desert-claims-explosive-new-book.html

Interesting. Hopefully the coroner has some hair of Joseph's to test for arsenic. Otherwise it could have been a number of illnesses, or even a change in medication. My Dad had vertigo when they changed his blood pressure medication, and yet it took them over a year to believe him and change it back, he has since been fine.

wow thats crazy that they found them! i only watched this case not long ago and read so many articles wondering what happened to them

Did anyone watch the new McStay CNN special on Tuesday? I haven't seen the video posted online yet, but here is the transcript:

Randi Kaye's “Buried Secrets: Who Murdered The McStay Family?”
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/01/se.01.html

I heard about the cnn special the following day so I never had a chance to watch. Anyone know if its online anywhere?

I saw the CNN special. The father of the murdered husband was livid at law enforcement for fixating on the Mexico connection and ignoring any other possibility. He said he watched the video and immediately knew it wasn't his son and the family, and told that to authorities but they preferred their own version. He said the wife was scared of Mexico and there was no chance she would take her kids there, particularly at night and without access to a vehicle.

I haven't followed this story closely but I was always doubtful it was the McShays on that video. My background is assigning odds. Is anyone actually going to claim it was 50/50 likelihood or above? That's laughable. I'll continue to assert that people in law enforcement or investigative positions need some training in basic probability. Instead, they rely on instincts that are often brutally flawed. Creative prosecutors can dream up any scenario and convince themselves of the truth to the point they'll argue it passionately to a jury, even if the likelihood is a fraction of one percent.

I've seen other shows that focused on McShay family financial problems, including moving away from the beach. This show had none of that.

It was also strange that the CNN interviews were done very soon after the discovery of the bodies late last year, yet the special didn't air until midway 2014. I had the impression that the producers were holding out for some type of breakthrough or important additional information. When it didn't arrive they slapped together a somewhat disappointing version and threw it on the air.

It was also strange that the CNN interviews were done very soon after the discovery of the bodies late last year, yet the special didn't air until midway 2014.

It was actually supposed to air early June, but was rescheduled for a month later with no explanation. They promoted as if it was going to air, I was looking forward to it and when they kept showing other news, I checked the website and they rescheduled it. I too wondered if they thought some update was going to happen because if they had to reschedule it, thats fine, but why one month?

I heard about the cnn special the following day so I never had a chance to watch. Anyone know if its online anywhere?

Looks like its on again tonight July 5th at 10pm EST on CNN.

It was actually supposed to air early June, but was rescheduled for a month later with no explanation. They promoted as if it was going to air, I was looking forward to it and when they kept showing other news, I checked the website and they rescheduled it. I too wondered if they thought some update was going to happen because if they had to reschedule it, thats fine, but why one month?

Thank you. I didn't realize it was delayed for a month. That adds to my instinct that the producers were holding out for some important additional information, and when it didn't happen they reluctantly decided they couldn't wait any longer and slapped together a somewhat disappointing version.

The first half of the show seemed logically prepared. Once it turned disjointed I had the impression there was something missing.

BTW, I just realized I called the family the McShays, not the McStays. Todd McShay is an NFL draft analyst on ESPN.

I'm turning into the TV Guide for those who've missed it. Its on again tonight, Sunday July 6th at 7pm EST on CNN.