Do you think those serial killers (or 1 time killers) from UM years ago that never got caught and are still alive ever view this website or other website forums?

I would have to say yes for one main fact. Many true crime shows say that new killers or serial killers will get off on seeing themselves on television shows like Americas most Wanted or the local nightly news or if they made the front page of the newspaper.

Thus I believe some killers from UM view this UM website and others.

1. Do you think they create their own handles and chat along with us?
2. Do you think they put a picture of their victim on their profile?

I always thought about this, but never thought about the profile picture thing until today. They are sick people and it would not surprise me.

2. Do you think they put a picture of their victim on their profile?

Oh, that's super creepy!


I do think there have been a few people that came here and actually talked with us. I bet quite a few more have just observed, without getting involved in the conversation.

One I can think of right away is Don Dixon. In the Eric Tamiyasu threads, some folks thought there was a poster there who was Dixon, a suspect in Eric's murder. I'm not sure if the posts are still there or not, but I think they are. I'd have to go back and double check tho.

I'm sure other folks can remember posters here who they suspected might actually be criminals involved in UM cases.

Oh, that's super creepy!


I do think there have been a few people that came here and actually talked with us. I bet quite a few more have just observed, without getting involved in the conversation.

One I can think of right away is Don Dixon. In the Eric Tamiyasu threads, some folks thought there was a poster there who was Dixon, a suspect in Eric's murder. I'm not sure if the posts are still there or not, but I think they are. I'd have to go back and double check tho.

I'm sure other folks can remember posters here who they suspected might actually be criminals involved in UM cases.

There is no doubt in my mind that poster was Don Dixon.

Didn't someone thought to be Paul Pollis post a few times some years ago? I seem to remember that.

There is no doubt in my mind that poster was Don Dixon.

Didn't someone thought to be Paul Pollis post a few times some years ago? I seem to remember that.

Okay, this thread is super spooky to me! Just knowing that some of these "persons of interest" reading what we are saying gives me a little chill.

I definitely think that many "wanted" people from UM have been here. It would be only natural to check and see what developments are happening, if there have been any recent sightings or new evidence, etc. If it were me, I'd be checking from a public computer, though, not my own.

I want to find the thread where people thought Don Dixon was posting. Creepy! (off to do a site-search....)

Do you think those serial killers (or 1 time killers) from UM years ago that never got caught and are still alive ever view this website or other website forums?

I would have to say yes for one main fact. Many true crime shows say that new killers or serial killers will get off on seeing themselves on television shows like Americas most Wanted or the local nightly news or if they made the front page of the newspaper.

Thus I believe some killers from UM view this UM website and others.

1. Do you think they create their own handles and chat along with us?
2. Do you think they put a picture of their victim on their profile?

I always thought about this, but never thought about the profile picture thing until today. They are sick people and it would not surprise me.

Yes, the uncaught do view and post on these boards. I was the fat guy that kidnapped John Grundhoffer. :lol:

In seriousness, the thought of them posting here, and having an avatar of their victim....that is one hell of a creepy thought. :eek:

I have often wondered if the same person who keeps popping up in the Wackers thread is the same one who tormented them all of those years.

I have often wondered if the same person who keeps popping up in the Wackers thread is the same one who tormented them all of those years.

You mean that one that called himself "Sadie" something, at one point? The one coming up with the fantastical stories about that "blue haired" biddy, or whatever? I could definitely see that as a possibility.

I just found the thread where the person claims to be Paul Pollis. Eerie!

If the EAR/ONS is alive and not in prison, I'm sure he has "googled" himself and stumbled upon this site and others....he liked to watch the news and read about himself in the papers, and then taunting the cops by doing something or attacking someone that the cops informed the public these were things he was not doing.

I just stumbled upon this web site and I believe I have a lot to help with the Eric Tamiyasu case. Remember what you say was a television show not fact.
Back ground: All references to Eric refer to Eric Tamiyasu. Eric Tamiyasu's custom built home is well off the beaten track. It lies in an area of orchards miles away from any population center. Even once you are on the orchard his Lindel style home is difficult to find. It has 2 approach paths one through the pear/cherry/apple orchardpast a hired mans home the other more secluded is through a heavily wooded area and around a pond. The 3 story home is so secluded that it had no drapes or other window coverings.


ERic Smith. Tamiyasu when asked why he kept Eric Smith as a friend quoted a line he often repeated " Once a friend always a friend" Eric Smith is a very low life drug user who actually cheated Tamiyasu out of over $56,000. Smith was nearly broke and a social outcaste. He found his wife on the internet from Russia. Tamiyasu was the financial backer for Smith who had the dealers license to sell cars and insurance. Tamiyasu said Smith took the profits from the used car lot and cheated Tamiyasu. In this memo he is only referred to as Smith.

Wampler has a very checkered pass but in a small community has gotten away with perhaps literally murder in other issues. His closest friends are know drug suppliers but are protected by this stereo typic small town sheriff. It was well reported the day after the murder was reported (Monday) that Wampler's wife had an ongoing affair with Tamiyasu. Wampler was know to be ALONE in the house after Tamiyasu's body was found for quite a while. According to the Oregon Attorney General's office Hood River County under Wampler has the LOWEST resolution rate of murder cases in the State and probably the NOrthwest.

Diane (sp) was the lady that had spent most of the Saturday night before the death with Eric and had had sex with Tamiyasu. Diane had a son out of wed lock by a person named Carter a very low life with an extensive criminal record. Known to be very jealous of Diane and her son he has an extreme temper. AT about the suspected time of the incident he tracked down a retired Sheriff deputy at a country gas station and made extensive remarks to him about the time and his presence at this station.

Ramona Tamiyasu was one of three people that Dixon spoke by phone immediately after finding Tamiyasu's body. Ramona recalls much more of the phone call that just the reported snippet. Dixon told her that Eric was dead in his bed of unknown causes. When she pressed him he went through a long list of causes that he had ruled out. Only one of which were wounds (as reported exit wounds). Other mentioned were pesticide poisioning ( he was an orchardist) , suicide (he was extremely depressed at times) heart attack, stroke, etc. But his body was too bloated and decayed to tell why he had died. note that when the 1) cops arrived they didn't see nor did the 2) county medical examiner,3) not the funeral home see the wounds nor any other cause of the death. I wasn't until monday late morning that the state medical examiner found at least 3 bullet wounds (not one exit wound was found).

Dixon was Tamiyasu's orchard consultant ( a professional biologist). He did not sell spray as reported by Smith. Dixon's training was as a Vietnam era soldier and as a field biologist in Vertebrate pest control. Eric's father, mother, Ramona, and brother all said that Tamiyasu referred to Dixon as "His best friend and confidant". Tamiyasu had taken Dixon and his wife to Seattle to help design his home. Eric had turned to Dixon about family issues, finances, and his depression. Dixon also knew of Wampler's wife's sexual relations with Eric. Even though he lived a few hundred feet from his father's home Eric had given Dixon the only other key to his home. The day before his death TEric had brought Taco Bell to Dixon's office to share lunch with him; an event that happened several times a week. Dixon found the body not the next morning but 6-8 days after the murder. Dixon was asked to go investigate when eric failed to show up for several gold appointments. Dixon took a polygraph test at his own cost and passed. No other suspect did so even thought Wampler promised that he and his wife would

Unsolved Mysteries was contacted by Ramona Tamiyasu to try to get the story told. Unsolved Mysteries' first producer and research crew was replaced after he did the research and the filming in Hood River due to the fact that the series had been cancelled and they wanted to save money. The original producer had told several people that in his long multi year history with UM he had only felt certain about the innocence of 3 people one of which was Dixon.

a Retired master Homicide Detect from LA was brought in to review the case files. His schedule was to put him here for 5 days. After reviewing
the files for less than 1/2 day the Detective gave all the files back with a note that even with a video tape of the even a successful prosecution of the case was impossible due to the bumbling and destruction of evidence of the Sheriff and lead detective Gary Tiffany. A federal judge offered to have the FBI come into the case but was rebuffed by the Sheriff.

A very large reward is still being offered mainly by two of Eric's friends; Andy von Flowto and Don Dixon.

The Tamiyasu family finally hired a private investigator to look into the mess and came up with the conclusion that the murderer of Eric Tamiyasu was no other than Carter. He had found his ex girl friend with Eric and became enraged. He followed them to Eric's home and knocked on the door when they began to get into heavy petting, running away when they paused to get dressed. Diane and the PI believe that Carter is the person responsible for Eric Tamiyasu's murder. Unfortunately due to the destruction by the HOOD RIVER COUNTY SHERIFF and his staff we will never be able to close this case.

I hope this helps. It was a very interesting case. One question remains for me ... how does Wampler continue to get elected?This is the post in question.

It's very obviously Don Dixon.

I believe the male nurse suspect in the two Mary's case, the one we really can't discuss on this site has come on here from time to time.

If the EAR/ONS is alive and not in prison, I'm sure he has "googled" himself and stumbled upon this site and others....he liked to watch the news and read about himself in the papers, and then taunting the cops by doing something or attacking someone that the cops informed the public these were things he was not doing.
I have often asked myself this question, ESPECIALLY in regards to EAR-ONS. I have a somewhat irrational fear that if I said something really bad about him, that he might read it and track me down. His history of taunting the cops, as you mentioned, the scary phone calls, and the time he tracked down the man at the town hall meeting who said there was no way he'd ever let the ONS rape his wife...no sir, not on his watch... :( If anyone would do something like posting anonymously on his own thread, it would be him.

I have often asked myself this question, ESPECIALLY in regards to EAR-ONS. I have a somewhat irrational fear that if I said something really bad about him, that he might read it and track me down. His history of taunting the cops, as you mentioned, the scary phone calls, and the time he tracked down the man at the town hall meeting who said there was no way he'd ever let the ONS rape his wife...no sir, not on his watch... :( If anyone would do something like posting anonymously on his own thread, it would be him.

You took the words right out of my mouth! Everything you just said is bang on! I, too, fear for people what the EAR might read or hear (I don't fear for myself, as I'm a guy who is married to another guy and I live in Canada...not a likely target)....sh1t, now that I've just typed that, if I ever end up dead, be on the watch for the EAR! Not kidding, you just never know with him. I honestly believe he has been following everything ever said about him in the news and online. In fact, he might have even gone into hiding to prove a point. Cops and psychologists always say that a person like EAR can't "stop", but to me, he might be an exception. He gets off on fear, and the fear that he might still be out there and not a single person knows who he is might be satisfying enough for him. I personally think he's expanded his act and has been hitting randomly in various parts of the USA, making it look like "one-off" crimes, or attempted burglaries gone bad. If there was ever a post on this site that even remotely sounded like it could be him, I doubt I'd be back! (Note to people who don't want me here - pretend you are EAR and I'll be gone LOL)

You mean that one that called himself "Sadie" something, at one point? The one coming up with the fantastical stories about that "blue haired" biddy, or whatever? I could definitely see that as a possibility.

Yep. I believe they've also signed up under different names and posted in the same thread.

just think - if that husband never opened his big mouth both him and his wife would have been safe. most likely.

I have often asked myself this question, ESPECIALLY in regards to EAR-ONS. I have a somewhat irrational fear that if I said something really bad about him, that he might read it and track me down. His history of taunting the cops, as you mentioned, the scary phone calls, and the time he tracked down the man at the town hall meeting who said there was no way he'd ever let the ONS rape his wife...no sir, not on his watch... :( If anyone would do something like posting anonymously on his own thread, it would be him.

Check out this thread on the Judy Groezinger case for the posts from someone named "Zeer". The poster wrote a long list of points about why Judy was innocent of her husband's murder and judging by the responses, apparently sent PMs to a bunch of the other posters here which were EXACT cut-and-pastes of the same points they already wrote in the thread:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=169177&page=4&highlight=groezinger

"Zeer" seemed to disappear after only three posts and I would not be surprised if it was Judy Groezinger herself.

I have often asked myself this question, ESPECIALLY in regards to EAR-ONS. I have a somewhat irrational fear that if I said something really bad about him, that he might read it and track me down. His history of taunting the cops, as you mentioned, the scary phone calls, and the time he tracked down the man at the town hall meeting who said there was no way he'd ever let the ONS rape his wife...no sir, not on his watch... :( If anyone would do something like posting anonymously on his own thread, it would be him.
that's scary I think this is one of the most baffling cases in modern America. There are so many people talking about it. Interestingly enough it wasn't profiled on unsolved mysteries until after the DNA was linked to the SoCal murders in 2000. I wonder what type of impact if any UM may have had if they showcased this in their popular days back around 89-91.


If he's alive and free id imagine the ear/ons views these threads. And if he actually blogs maybe it could help him get caught.


On another note didn't Randall utter back(spelling) have a friend or family member on here defending him? Maybe that could have been Randall? And I've heard another thread(Houston Texas murder) closed because of police intervention.

On another note didn't Randall utter back(spelling) have a friend or family member on here defending him? Maybe that could have been Randall? And I've heard another thread(Houston Texas murder) closed because of police intervention.

Yes, someone claiming to be a relative of Randall Utterback posted here a few times. The poster was pretty angry, one of those "you shouldn't be talking about what you don't know about" types. He/she also completely denigrated Denise Williams and--I remember this specifically--claimed she "wasn't the angel everyone thinks she is." Like that excuses being run off the road and kidnapped at gunpoint.

The Mary Lou Morris/Mary McGinnis Morris thread was the one that was closed.

Yes, someone claiming to be a relative of Randall Utterback posted here a few times. The poster was pretty angry, one of those "you shouldn't be talking about what you don't know about" types. He/she also completely denigrated Denise Williams and--I remember this specifically--claimed she "wasn't the angel everyone thinks she is." Like that excuses being run off the road and kidnapped at gunpoint.

The Mary Lou Morris/Mary McGinnis Morris thread was the one that was closed.
Oh yeah lol. And don't forget the prison escape. Blame that crime on Denise too.

The Randall Utterback thread in this forum is CRAZY! In addition to the aforementioned posts from Randall's relative, his biological son also posted here, claiming he was conceived when Randall had an affair with another woman (not Denise Williams) before he became abusive while she was pregnant and she left him. This other woman even posted here herself to confirm the story.

The entire thread is well worth a read:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=143358&highlight=utterback

There should be a separate thread about how miraculous it is that Utterback still hasn't been found to this day. I honestly think that LE isn't looking all that hard, because it seems like it would be fairly easy to locate him. The guy didn't have the resources that Whitey Bulger did.

The Randall Utterback thread in this forum is CRAZY! In addition to the aforementioned posts from Randall's relative, his biological son also posted here, claiming he was conceived when Randall had an affair with another woman (not Denise Williams) before he became abusive while she was pregnant and she left him. This other woman even posted here herself to confirm the story.

The entire thread is well worth a read:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=143358&highlight=utterback
It is a pretty crazy thread. It kind of made me mad that some of the people defending Randall were all ''oh, UM totally exaggerated.'' I doubt they added in the gun and abduction just for kicks. :mad: