View Full Version : The 20 Biggest Mess-Ups/Mistakes in Fox History
I've been holding off doing one on the Fox network because out of all of the major American broadcast networks, Fox seems to be the one that's most notorious for mistreating/otherwise screwing over shows before their time:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ScrewedByTheNetwork/LiveActionTV
Other mistakes that immediately come to mind outside of this notion:
*Fox's late night failures outside of MADtv (i.e. The Late Show w/ Joan Rivers, The Wilton-North Report, and of course, The Chevy Chase Show).
*When they acquired the rights to the National Hockey League in 1994-95, they came up w/ the idea of a glowing hockey puck. I can somewhat understand Fox's rationale behind this, before the advent of HD-TV, the puck could be really hard to follow. It however, also turned the broadcasts into a video game (basically, a case of "style over substance") to the point in which it felt like a mockery. More the point, the novelty/gimmick was due to wear thin after a while.
*Turning the theme music for their NFL broadcasts into the "all purpose/universal" Fox Sports theme (meaning that it was also used for baseball, NASCAR, UFC, soccer, etc.).
*Any one of Fox's trashy, sleazy reality programming from the early 2000s:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Horrible/LiveActionTV
icecream 10-26-2013, 12:21 PM They had a great Friday night lineup of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction and Greed. 2 of the best shows they've ever aired, I think they did well but were cancelled way too soon, especially Greed. Cancelling Back to You instead of Til Death. Moving Touch to Fridays in its 2nd season, it might still be around if it had stayed on a weeknight.
jimpickens 10-27-2013, 03:25 AM Not giving Firefly a chance
Relying too much on animation if they gave nearly the time in live action shows as they do animation they'd have some decent shows
canceling Space Above And Beyond, The Adventures of Brisco County, and Danger Theatre but allowing The Simpsons to continue
not putting out good quality dramas their cable counterpart FX does a better job
Not allowing Married With Children to have a proper finale.
mr awesome 10-27-2013, 01:58 PM Proper or not the episode MWC ended was good enough for me when Kelly got married. IMO shows of a certain age should always treat their season finales as potential season finales and MWC should have seen the writing on the wall the way they were bounced all over the sked that season.
MrCleveland 11-05-2013, 02:30 PM Having FOX just have Prime-Time Animation Lock, Stock, and Barrel!
Now don't get me wrong, I like "Family Guy" and "American Dad"...but with "The Simpsons" being the Cash Cow for FOX meant that they won't go away, even if Judge Doom dipped Springfield, Timbuktu, USA! (I call it Timbuktu since we'll never know what state "The Simpsons" live in)!
"The Simpsons" even drug-down FOX Animated Shows like "The Critic", "Futurama", and "Family Guy" in its 1st-Run. And Animation Domination seems to be the Prime-Time Animation Monopoly since ABC, NBC, and CBS tried Prime-Time Animation...and failed during the time "The Simpsons" have been on!
mets82 11-05-2013, 03:13 PM I think that MWC deserved a better sendoff. I mean it helped the struggling FOX network get out of the box and no ending? Just a simple thank you and thats it??
Also, if you want to cancel The Simpsons, be careful what you wish for because the show that replaces it, could be a lot worse than The Simpsons.
yankeesrj12 11-05-2013, 07:15 PM They had a great Friday night lineup of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction and Greed. 2 of the best shows they've ever aired, I think they did well but were cancelled way too soon, especially Greed. Cancelling Back to You instead of Til Death. Moving Touch to Fridays in its 2nd season, it might still be around if it had stayed on a weeknight.
I absolutely LOVED Beyond Belief: Factor or Fiction. One of the few shows I really miss having on television!
James28 11-05-2013, 10:41 PM Also, if you want to cancel The Simpsons, be careful what you wish for because the show that replaces it, could be a lot worse than The Simpsons.
Personally, I would view the indefinite (20+ years) original run of an animated floating timeline show with no character development or story arcs as a mistake. The Simpsons being let go as a first-run series would actually be a good thing. Sometines, at the expense of a long-running veteran series, we need to create and build brand-new shows.
EmoJoe 11-05-2013, 11:56 PM Personally, I would view the indefinite (20+ years) original run of an animated floating timeline show with no character development or story arcs as a mistake. The Simpsons being let go as a first-run series would actually be a good thing. Sometines, at the expense of a long-running veteran series, we need to create and build brand-new shows.
If you think The Simpsons doesn't have character development then you clearly haven't watched it.
Although to be fair, it probably hasn't had it in about 15 years, so maybe you're right.
James28 11-06-2013, 12:17 AM If you think The Simpsons doesn't have character development then you clearly haven't watched it.
Although to be fair, it probably hasn't had it in about 15 years, so maybe you're right.
I thought a source said that FOX insisted that all of its animated series lack character development (and story arcs) so its episodes can be shown out of order in syndication.
Actually, I never even bothered to get into The Simpsons when I was younger (and I did get into Family Guy, but my interest in that series is starting to wane in recent months). Most of what I watch today is live-action.
Yong Fang 11-06-2013, 12:38 AM The Simpsons needs to be cancelled because it sucks now. Just end it already.
What could have made it a fresher show was to allow the children to get older. If they did, the Aimpson kids would be in their 30's with kids of their own and a career and whatnot, introduction of spouses, etc.
After 25 years, the formula is stale.
EmoJoe 11-06-2013, 04:56 AM I thought a source said that FOX insisted that all of its animated series lack character development (and story arcs) so its episodes can be shown out of order in syndication.
Actually, I never even bothered to get into The Simpsons when I was younger (and I did get into Family Guy, but my interest in that series is starting to wane in recent months). Most of what I watch today is live-action.
Classic Simpsons absolutely had character development, as do the best of the other Fox sitcoms like Bob's Burgers, King of the Hill, Futurama. They don't have much in the way of arcs, no, but they all have fully-realized characters that we learn more about the more we watch the show. That's character development, is it not?
*When they acquired the rights to the National Hockey League in 1994-95, they came up w/ the idea of a glowing hockey puck. I can somewhat understand Fox's rationale behind this, before the advent of HD-TV, the puck could be really hard to follow. It however, also turned the broadcasts into a video game (basically, a case of "style over substance") to the point in which it felt like a mockery. More the point, the novelty/gimmick was due to wear thin after a while.
Typical American anti-hockey BS!!! :mad:
If you can't follow a black puck on a white ice surface, you either need a large pair of glasses or an attitude adjustment.
I will agree that when FOX introduced the "glow puck" it really was the stupidest idea they ever came up with. (Bringing back Family Guy from cancellation would be #2!) When FOX was awarded the NHL US TV rights, it was supposed to be a landmark watershed moment for the league. FOX was then known as a network that was innovative and cutting edge and would introduce new fans to the world's greatest sport by covering it in a newer and more exciting fashion. Then they came up with the glowing puck and their entire credibility disappeared faster than a Brett Hull slapshot. They also had the dumb idea to make the players into cartoonish superheroes. Before each game, you would see a video montage where a player would get hit with a bodycheck and, through animation, his body would explode into a million pieces. At the end, these two giant evil-looking robots would appear and smash into each other before taking a face-off, and then the real game would begin. It was just so idiotic!
To cover the games, FOX hired their top NFL man James Brown and he looked completely lost. It was obvious that he didn't know much about hockey and he just wanted to keep the show moving and get back to the game. The whole TV experience was one big disaster. The NHL then suffered through a long stretch without a major network contract until NBC stepped in a few years ago (naturally, with reluctance). They've done a bit better in covering the game but there's still some room from improvement. I just hope and pray that in the near future if another network wants to try and get the NHL rights from NBC, it won't be FOX!!!
MrCleveland 11-08-2013, 12:18 PM Also, if you want to cancel The Simpsons, be careful what you wish for because the show that replaces it, could be a lot worse than The Simpsons.
I feel IF "The Simpsons" cancel, "Family Guy" will be on for a year or two, but if those two shows bow-out together...then FOX will have a transitional moment which it needs.
Typical American anti-hockey BS!!! :mad:
If you can't follow a black puck on a white ice surface, you either need a large pair of glasses or an attitude adjustment.
I will agree that when FOX introduced the "glow puck" it really was the stupidest idea they ever came up with. (Bringing back Family Guy from cancellation would be #2!) When FOX was awarded the NHL US TV rights, it was supposed to be a landmark watershed moment for the league. FOX was then known as a network that was innovative and cutting edge and would introduce new fans to the world's greatest sport by covering it in a newer and more exciting fashion. Then they came up with the glowing puck and their entire credibility disappeared faster than a Brett Hull slapshot. They also had the dumb idea to make the players into cartoonish superheroes. Before each game, you would see a video montage where a player would get hit with a bodycheck and, through animation, his body would explode into a million pieces. At the end, these two giant evil-looking robots would appear and smash into each other before taking a face-off, and then the real game would begin. It was just so idiotic!
To cover the games, FOX hired their top NFL man James Brown and he looked completely lost. It was obvious that he didn't know much about hockey and he just wanted to keep the show moving and get back to the game. The whole TV experience was one big disaster. The NHL then suffered through a long stretch without a major network contract until NBC stepped in a few years ago (naturally, with reluctance). They've done a bit better in covering the game but there's still some room from improvement. I just hope and pray that in the near future if another network wants to try and get the NHL rights from NBC, it won't be FOX!!!
As bad as Fox may have been w/ their approach to the NHL, ABC was much worse. At least Fox tried to promote the NHL and push it forward:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewedByTheNetwork
ESPN and ABC aren't exactly blameless for losing their NHL TV rights, though. Once they pulled some duplicitous tactics to yank broadcast rights away from FOX, both ESPN and ABC proceeded to ignore the league, giving it absolutely no advertising time on ABC and the bare minimum on ESPN. This behavior accelerated when ESPN and ABC got the rights to broadcast NBA games (coincidentally, the NHL's direct competitor for the winter months), with both networks making it clear they were prioritizing basketball over hockey. Then right as the 2004-05 NHL lockout started, ESPN canceled their NHL recap show NHL2night and refused to revive the show when the League approached them for a new cable deal after the labor dispute ended. With this kind of network screwing over a 6-7 year period, you cannot possibly blame the NHL for jumping to a more caring TV partner in Versus (although going with NBC is still inexcusable, as shown above). This blog entry (http://puckthemedia.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/okay-lets-talk-about-this-like-adults-how-espn-nearly-destroyed-the-nhl-on-tv-or-why-the-nhl-should-never-go-back-to-espn/) goes into more detail about how Disney's networks screwed over the NHL, as well as the aforementioned dirty tactics used to screw FOX out of any TV rights.
And low and behold, it was around this time in which Michael Eisner had to middle w/ Disney's NHL coverage (acting like, he knew what was best over people who actually know about the sport):
http://puckthemedia.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/michael-eisner-tries-to-improve-the-nhl-an-excerpt-from-those-guys-have-all-the-fun-inside-the-world-of-espn/
irehtman 12-02-2013, 02:23 PM Bringing back Beverly to replace both Gwen and Shauna was terrible move. But I have a feeling that the Beverly character needs a cranky old man doctor added in the main cast so Beverly can have company on her own level, ASAP.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1630574/board/flat/197541444?p=1
Making creative changes to Breaking In.
Canceling The Chicago Code.
Forcing Joss Whedon to make changes and re-shoot The Dollhouse pilot, thus changing the trajectory and quality of the first season.
Canceling The Sarah Connor Chronicles in favor of The mangled Dollhouse.
Not greenlighting Virtuality.
Forcing producers to make Alcatraz more procedural.
Not greenlighting Locke & Key.
Passing on Breakout Kings.
irehtman 04-07-2014, 06:45 AM Turning down Glee actress Jayma Mays, who plays Emma Pillsbury in Glee, too strongly in the wrong time was a terrible move. She is still guest starring, but still cannot get axed yet.
Not giving the hot-looking actress Zoe Jarman, who plays Betsy Putch in The Mindy Project, some more interaction. The erratic young woman nurse needs to get added so Zoe/Betsy can get saved properly.
Turning down Glee actress Jayma Mays, who plays Emma Pillsbury in Glee, too strongly in the wrong time was a terrible move. She is still guest starring, but still cannot get axed yet.
Not giving the hot-looking actress Zoe Jarman, who plays Betsy Putch in The Mindy Project, some more interaction. The erratic young woman nurse needs to get added so Zoe/Betsy can get saved properly.
Sometimes, irehtman, I seriously don't know or understand if you're trolling/trying to be funny or you're being sincere in our repsonses. I in all honestly can't connect Jayma Mays' work on Glee as a geniune "mess up" on the hand of Fox. What makes you think that Ms. Mays' didn't want to come back to Glee (I mean, she's on The Millers now on CBS)?
irehtman 04-22-2014, 12:43 PM Sometimes, irehtman, I seriously don't know or understand if you're trolling/trying to be funny or you're being sincere in our repsonses. I in all honestly can't connect Jayma Mays' work on Glee as a geniune "mess up" on the hand of Fox. What makes you think that Ms. Mays' didn't want to come back to Glee (I mean, she's on The Millers now on CBS)?
Her Emma character in Glee is about to give birth and we need to see her holding her new child first!
Her Emma character in Glee is about to give birth and we need to see her holding her new child first!
Quite frankly, Fox allowing Glee to continue well past its apparent shelf-life (the two part 100 episode really should've been the series finale in hindsight) for at least another season and a half is a way bigger screw up in my humble opinion.
jimpickens 04-24-2014, 07:31 PM Relying too much on smut programing would it hurt them to add in some conservative based programing to the format
not allowing shows to grow imagine if Married With Children was allowed to be something more than a raunchy live action cartoon how good it could've been.
irehtman 05-01-2014, 08:35 PM Quite frankly, Fox allowing Glee to continue well past its apparent shelf-life (the two part 100 episodes really should've been the series finale in hindsight) for at least another season and a half is a way bigger screw up in my humble opinion.
What are you trying to say?
irehtman 05-01-2014, 08:37 PM Zoe Jarman and her Betsy Putch character reduced as both guest actress and guest character for "The Mindy Project" season three is another BAD mistake.
All young adult fans of "The Mindy Project" were routing more on both Zoe and her Betsy character rather than that Beth Grant and her Beverly character because 1.) Zoe is more of a romantic comedy type and 2.) Beth is more of a comedy type and not a romantic type at all.
I think FOX is under a bad recession and of course losing balance this season on both Glee and The Mindy Project shows, IMO.
James28 07-10-2014, 03:19 AM I wonder when the "fledgling" era of the FOX Network ended? 1997?
noveel 07-10-2014, 04:39 AM I wonder when the "fledgling" era of the FOX Network ended? 1997?
when they got the NFL?
Mr. Television 07-10-2014, 06:10 AM when they got the NFL?
Yep.
irehtman 07-10-2014, 01:29 PM Well right now, member Kevin O'Reilly has been officially fired.
Now this is a good time to fix both Glee and The Mindy Project series.
Glee:
1.) Let Rachel finish her broadway buildup.
2.) Rachel should find a new boyfriend, with these requirements:
* Broadway experience on both singing and acting.
* No rudeness nor meanness.
* No substance addictions.
* Mention that he had a deceased high school girlfriend after their high school graduation that he cannot let go.
2.) Let Emma return in public as a guest character holding her child.
3.) Return to McKinley for more successful power.
4.) A fisherman spots a gun in the lake and reports to the police.
5.) Sue Sylvester will get caught redhanded, arrested, expelled and thrown into jail for the rest of her life.
6.) Rachel and her new boyfriend graduate and get married.
7.) Finally, Rachel and her new husband will met both Emma and Will for the first time and Emma will give birth to another child, a girl to be named after the deceased girlfriend of Rachel's new husband.
The Mindy Project:
1.) Add a cranky old man doctor character, which is more important, to help this show survive longer.
2.) Betsy will stay put in the show as a reduced guest character.
3.) Slow down on the focus situation on Mindy's men.
4.) Help both Gwen and Shauna characters to return to this show as reduced guests.
5.) Add an erratic young woman nurse character in this show as a recurring guest in the second half of next season.
6.) Return to a full-season order from 15-episodes to 22-episodes.
7.) Finally, Betsy, Gwen, Shauna and that erratic young woman nurse character will get added in this show's main cast once again.
What I am saying is more reasonable and NOT completely absurd. We need to finish fixing both shows right away before time runs out too quick.
Fox has always had a schizophrenic approach to television - the studio that actually produces the content goes for quirky high-concept series and creators with fresh new ideas, but the people on the airing end don't know how to market or program such content and get trigger happy on changing timeslots and pulling the plug before an audience can find a show.
irehtman 02-24-2015, 09:22 AM Well, Jayma Mays returned to Glee and her final Glee appearance would be the series finale with everybody else!
Now this should be a good time to let actress Zoe Jarman return to The Mindy project ASAP because of these reasons:
1.) Increase the ratings.
2.) Grab some more US west coast audience to watch, in order to catch up with US, east coast and central audiences at the same time!
3.) See Mindy's pregnancy.
There could be a case that anything high-concept could destroy marketing in a fast speed, no offense.
TheLurkerKing 03-11-2015, 06:34 PM "Gracepoint" The American remake of the British TV miniseries "Broadchurch."
irehtman 03-11-2015, 06:42 PM 1.) Not paying attention to save Glee actor Corey Montieth's life.
2.) Adding actor Damon Wayans Jr. as fourth male member in New Girl.
3.) Bringing back actress Beth Grant as a permanent member in The Mindy Project in a hurry.
4.) Being careless removing actress Zoe Jarman from the Mindy Project main cast, but not yet out of that show officially.
5.) American Idol Season 2 finale screw-up.
icecream 03-11-2015, 06:49 PM "Gracepoint" The American remake of the British TV miniseries "Broadchurch."I disagree. Gracepoint is one of the best shows FOX has ever aired. Most of their shows don't appeal to me but Gracepoint was one of my favorites.
You can add replacing Pam Oliver (http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/fox-sports-pulls-180-pam-oliver-sidelines.html) w/ Erin Andrews as Fox Sports' top NFL (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/nfl-experts-weigh-fox-sports-pam-oliver-face-134101476.html) sideline reporter.
mets82 03-12-2015, 05:56 PM Yes, but at least Pam Oliver is back at FOX, not at the top stop though.
irehtman 04-23-2015, 11:50 AM Yes, but at least Pam Oliver is back at FOX, not at the top stop though.
Yeah, Pam is better than stupid Erin type.
irehtman 09-23-2015, 05:31 PM Not bringing back both Glee actress Melissa Benoist and her Marley character on time of Glee's series finale.
simmytbone 10-19-2015, 04:17 AM I'll tell ya some Big Mess-Ups
Letting American Idol go on for too long
Sure it was successful with Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul and Randy Jackson, don't care for Ryan Seacrest though
I watched the 1st Season when Kelly Clarkson won and that was it, but my friends kept talkin' about the show and I was oh so sick and tired of hearing about it
Plus, when NBC Sunday Night Football in 2011 which is the season in which Peyton Manning had a neck injury and little brother Eli won his 2nd Super Bowl def. the Patriots again knocked AI out of the #1 Spot, I was SO happy about that
also, House, M.D., it was a good show, but letting go of Jennifer Morrison as Dr. Allison Cameron and having the show focus more on Dr. Thirteen started goin' downhill, but the biggest blow was letting go of Lisa Edelstein as Dr. Lisa Cuddy and after 8 seasons, I'll betcha Hugh Laurie Dr. House himself said "Let's End This Son of a (word that rhymes w/rich)"
and also, cancelling Greed was a HUGE Mess-Up, I mean, it was the biggest competitor to Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and it was, IMO, 10x better than Millionaire w/Regis
But in the 97/98 Season, FOX Thursday Nights saw a change in the cast of 2 shows
Living Single - The show was so funny, I even like the show WAY better than Friends (both shows were produced by Warner Bros. Television) although LS came out 1 year before Friends, but the Final Season saw a change in the cast, replacing T.C. Carson as Kyle Barker with Mel Jackson as Ira Lee "Tripp" Williams was a HUGE Mess-Up
New York Undercover - The series that was Created and Produced by Former Hill Street Blues Writer Dick Wolf and his Production Company Wolf Films in association with Universal Television (now NBC-Universal Television) the man behind Nasty Boys, Law & Order, The NEW Dragnet, Chicago Fire, Chicago P.D. and Players w/Ice-T and Mia Korf
Wolf also had a hand in the Mega-80's TV Series Miami Vice
My dad and I use to watch NYU and it was a great show, Malik Yoba as J.C. Williams who was the only person to appear in all 89 episodes, Michael DeLorenzo as Det. Eduardo "Eddie" Torres, Patti D'Arbanville-Quinn as Lt. Virginia Cooper, Lauren Valez as Det. Nina Moreno-Torres and Jonathan LaPaglia as Det. Tommy McNamara were great on the show, however, the changes of cast is what killed the show
Season 4 was a disaster like killing off Michael de Lorenzo's character of Eddie Torress and havin' Nina and J.C. hook up on the show didn't help the show do wonders and replacing Torres and McNamara with Det. Nell Delaney played by Marisa Ryan best known as Elizabeth Cooper McGillis in another Universal Television Series Major Dad and Det. Alec Stone played by Josh Hopkins didn't do the show wonders either and the biggest one of all was replacing Lt. Cooper with Lt. Malcolm Barker played by Tommy Ford best known as Tommy "I ain't got no job" Strawn on the recently cancelled Fox Sitcom Martin
Cooper had the poise, the passion and she was no nonsense, but Malcolm was too much of a pushy guy, not to mention, using his lie, cheat and steal tactics didn't help out either
and another problem with NYU was changing the theme song
The 1st theme that was used during the 1st 3 seasons was great and was a great fit for the show, but the theme to the Final Season didn't fit the show at all
NYU and Living Single were both cancelled along w/New York Undercover's Sister Show Players on NBC
12 Shows Fox Should Be Embarrassed About Canceling (http://www.cinemablend.com/television/12-Shows-Fox-Should-Embarrassed-About-Canceling-94037.html)
simmytbone 09-05-2016, 02:52 AM You can add replacing Pam Oliver (http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/fox-sports-pulls-180-pam-oliver-sidelines.html) w/ Erin Andrews as Fox Sports' top NFL (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/nfl-experts-weigh-fox-sports-pam-oliver-face-134101476.html) sideline reporter.
Well I can tolerate Erin Andrews along with Kurt, Terry, Howie, Strahan and Jimmy Johnson, can't STAND Joe Buck or Troy Aikman
The ones on CBS, I like Jim Nantz and Tracy Wolfson, I don't know about Phil Simms
Sometimes, I feel like CBS treats Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the Golden Boys of the AFC
Even though NFL on CBS gets good ratings against Fox, FOX can still draw ratings when it comes to the Super Bowl along with NBC, but CBS seems not to draw any BIG ratings when hosting the Super Bowl and that's probably b/c they don't know how to promote a Super Bowl like FOX and NBC
FOX on the other hand, they sure loving to talk about Drew Brees, Tony Romo and Aaron Rodgers so much
Jamey Greek 07-22-2017, 01:13 PM They had a great Friday night lineup of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction and Greed. 2 of the best shows they've ever aired, I think they did well but were cancelled way too soon, especially Greed. Cancelling Back to You instead of Til Death. Moving Touch to Fridays in its 2nd season, it might still be around if it had stayed on a weeknight.
Yes cancelling greed was a mistake. Also, cancelling Don't forget the lyrics! Also canceling Married With Children without a proper series finale. The cast were very upset that they didn't get a series finale.
simmytbone 08-10-2017, 03:18 AM Yes cancelling greed was a mistake. Also, cancelling Don't forget the lyrics! Also canceling Married With Children without a proper series finale. The cast were very upset that they didn't get a series finale.
WOW, kinda reminds me of The Jeffersons which was the sister show of Married...with Children
Of course, both The 80's Jeffersons and Married...with Children along with NBC's Silver Spoons and It's Your Move and FOX's Women In Prison were produced by the late Ron Leavitt and Michael G. Moye
I like GREED WAY Better than Who Wants to Be a Millionaire (both abc and syndicated version) b/c the questions were more challenging
Chuck Woolery did a great job as host of this Multi-Million Dollar Challenge and the late TV Icon Dick Clark did a great job as Executive Producer of the show
I also liked SUPER GREED b/c the stakes were higher
also, another Mess-Up
In Living Color continuing w/o The Wayans Family (Keenen Ivory, Damon and Kim) b/c to me, they were IN LIVING COLOR
Yong Fang 08-10-2017, 08:26 AM Cancelling "The Good Guys" with Tom Hanks and Bradley Whitford after one season in 2010. The show took place in Dallas, Texas and filmed a lot of scenes there and learned about the city and how to stage it in the show.
Cancelling "Dads" after one season in 2013. This one really makes me angry because that show was out and out hilarious. The Pilot episode, I was in pain I laughed so much. Very few sitcoms, even the old classic ones make me LOL for twenty minutes straight (Sanford and Son is an exception). This show should have found an audience!
Jamey Greek 08-10-2017, 11:44 AM Not snagging Conan O'Brien in 2001 or in the mid-2000s because had they did this debacle with NBC, Conan, and Jay wouldn't have happened
JamesG 08-10-2017, 12:38 PM Cancelling "The Good Guys" with Tom Hanks and Bradley Whitford after one season in 2010.
I know it was probably a simple mistake, but it was Colin Hanks.
icecream 08-10-2017, 01:59 PM Cancelling "Dads" after one season in 2013. This one really makes me angry because that show was out and out hilarious. The Pilot episode, I was in pain I laughed so much. Very few sitcoms, even the old classic ones make me LOL for twenty minutes straight (Sanford and Son is an exception). This show should have found an audience!Maybe it was funny to you, but I wasn't impressed with Dads at all.
Jamey Greek 08-14-2017, 07:17 PM Not snagging Conan when they had the chance. Especially in 2001 and that debacle with him and Jay wouldn't have happened to begin with.
irehtman 08-14-2017, 07:19 PM Turning down both Glee actress Melissa Benoist and her Glee character Marley Rose from Glee sitcom too quick.
Not careful on removing both The Mindy Project actress Zoe Jarman and her The Mindy Project Betsy Putch character from The Mindy Project cast lineup carelessly.
70s show watcher 08-15-2017, 12:40 AM Maybe it was funny to you, but I wasn't impressed with Dads at all.i did not care for dads either
Not snagging Conan when they had the chance. Especially in 2001 and that debacle with him and Jay wouldn't have happened to begin with.
In hindsight, maybe Conan O'Brien should've gone to Fox when he had the chance. On The Tonight Show, Conan pretty much had to compromise his offbeat, absurdist style of comedy to appeal to a decidedly more "middle American" audience (who don't want anything too edgy or offensive). Perhaps, Conan was reluctant to leave NBC (people seem to forget or overlook that Conan pressed the issue about getting the Tonight Show job since he was getting offers from Fox) at that time because didn't want to leave behind all that he had built up on the show as far as bits, cast & crew and otherwise.
cnnbcbs 09-16-2017, 11:04 AM In hindsight, maybe Conan O'Brien should've gone to Fox when he had the chance. On The Tonight Show, Conan pretty much had to compromise his offbeat, absurdist style of comedy to appeal to a decidedly more "middle American" audience (who don't want anything too edgy or offensive). Perhaps, Conan was reluctant to leave NBC (people seem to forget or overlook that Conan pressed the issue about getting the Tonight Show job since he was getting offers from Fox) at that time because didn't want to leave behind all that he had built up on the show as far as bits, cast & crew and otherwise.
At the time it seemed like Fox should've gone for it but in hindsight it probably would've bombed like Chevy Chase and The Magic Hour. I think Conan opposite Jay and Dave wouldn't have fared well, even with the 34-35 minute head start. Conan would still have to pivot his style to cast a broader net in the earlier time-slot.
Jamey Greek 09-16-2017, 08:02 PM At the time it seemed like Fox should've gone for it but in hindsight it probably would've bombed like Chevy Chase and The Magic Hour. I think Conan opposite Jay and Dave wouldn't have fared well, even with the 34-35 minute head start. Conan would still have to pivot his style to cast a broader net in the earlier time-slot.
The way I see it, I believe that third time is the charm. Fox would have had a more established late night star in Conan. Look at CBS they failed with Merv Griffin and Pat Sajak and they finally struck gold with David Leterrman because he was well-established.
Hawkee 10-23-2017, 05:18 AM Since it's debut in 1987 FOX has always been number one in TV and when it debuted in 1987 FOX was going to prove that they could be a successful network in TV by having outstanding shows and an impressive audience in the TV world. But it was sitcoms that made FOX a huge success in ratings thanks to Married With Children and if it weren't for Married With Children FOX wouldn't be successful today with sitcoms that appealed to a huge audience. Now one of the biggest mistakes in FOX history was cancelling the sitcom Top Of The Heap in the 90's because when it debuted in 1992 Top Of The Heap was destined to be a hit given the promotion it recieved by FOX and by putting it after Married With Children in the 1992 FOX sitcom lineup was a smart idea but even though it was a cool sitcom Top Of The Heap was cancelled after so many episodes but it marked the debut sitcom of actor Matt LeBlanc. Another mistake that FOX had a habit of doing that they still do today is they would give comedians/comediennes their very own sitcoms then cancel them as we saw what FOX did with the sitcom Pauly which starred comedian Pauly Shore who was coming off the success of his recent movie at the time Son In Law but even though Pauly was a fun sitcom FOX cancelled it in 1993 and you don't hear much about Pauly Shore much anymore. Another comedian that suffered the same fate by FOX was Christopher Titus when he had the sitcom Titus and it was gonna be a hit but it also was canceled. Also besides sitcoms FOX went in a entirely different direction by adding reality shows and morning shows and FOX had a morning hit on their hands with the debut of the morning show FOX After Breakfast but even though it was a success FOX After Breakfast got cancelled in the 90's. But the biggest mistake FOX made was have the reality show Temptation Island and I don't know why it was a successful show that lasted two seasons "Season 1 and 2" and spun off a special called Temptation Island The Wedding and based on the show's success it made Mark L. Walberg a superstar for FOX and then he went on to do Antiques Roadshow for PBS and The Moment Of Truth also on FOX. Another thing FOX did when they got into the game show world was cancel Greed The Series because it seemed to be a huge hit but then it was cancelled for no reason and Greed was a cool game show that got huge ratings for FOX. Another game show FOX cancelled for no reason was a game show named The Richlist that was a remake of a British game show that only had one episode shown. But as for sitcoms FOX really got hurt when the sitcom Arrested Development was cancelled and FOX pulled the plug on the upcoming season for no reason but at least Arrested Development jumpstarted the career of Jason Bateman who became successful in the movies Identity Thief Horrible Bosses and Zootopia. But if it wasn't for The Tracey Ullman Show and The Simpsons FOX is still the king of sitcoms and other shows. But I wish FOX could have more sitcoms that are hits just like Roc Martin Parker Lewis Can't Lose and Malcolm In The Middle and that would make FOX successful again
Bestie
RetroGuy2000 10-23-2017, 06:11 AM Since it's debut in 1987 FOX has always been number one in TV and when it debuted in 1987
The Fox Network debuted in 1986. The Late Show Starring Joan Rivers was Fox's first show, and Fox had few hits during its first years on the air. In fact, network executives had even openly talked to the press about pulling the plug on the network as late as 1990.
cnnbcbs 10-25-2017, 07:35 PM The way I see it, I believe that third time is the charm. Fox would have had a more established late night star in Conan. Look at CBS they failed with Merv Griffin and Pat Sajak and they finally struck gold with David Leterrman because he was well-established.
I agree that Conan would be more established but clearing the show would be difficult. Many Fox stations profit from syndicated shows in late night. One of Fox's major affiliate groups; Sinclair has fought network expansion for decades dating back to the 90s when Fox expressed interest in jumping into the daytime (non-cartoon) arena. Sinclair fought it and won.
Jamey Greek 10-27-2017, 11:35 PM I agree that Conan would be more established but clearing the show would be difficult. Many Fox stations profit from syndicated shows in late night. One of Fox's major affiliate groups; Sinclair has fought network expansion for decades dating back to the 90s when Fox expressed interest in jumping into the daytime (non-cartoon) arena. Sinclair fought it and won.
**** Sinclair
The way that Fox pretty much sabotaged (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ScrewedByTheNetwork/LiveActionTV) Brooklyn Nine-Nine during its entire run. They often made it go on months on hiatuses in-between episodes. This was all the while switching the time-slot consistently.
If you kept up on the ratings, you could see how far the show tanked in Season 4 when it came back from a four month hiatus with no promotion whatsoever. How can Fox expect people to keep the show in mind when it's barely a 50/50 shot that it'll even come on?
Jamey Greek 05-12-2018, 07:49 PM Picking up Last Man Standing
Picking up Last Man Standing
Saved! Fan fury at Fox for axing 'diverse' Brooklyn Nine-Nine prompts NBC to pick up the show, while ABC's Last Man Standing about a Trump supporter is picked up by Fox (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5720401/Outrage-Fox-drops-liberal-Brooklyn-Nine-Nine-resurrects-Tim-Allens-Man-Standing.html)
Regulus 05-12-2018, 08:34 PM The way that Fox pretty much sabotaged (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ScrewedByTheNetwork/LiveActionTV) Brooklyn Nine-Nine during its entire run. They often made it go on months on hiatuses in-between episodes. This was all the while switching the time-slot consistently.
If you kept up on the ratings, you could see how far the show tanked in Season 4 when it came back from a four month hiatus with no promotion whatsoever. How can Fox expect people to keep the show in mind when it's barely a 50/50 shot that it'll even come on?
Frequently preempting a show and/or changing it's time slot lead to it's cancellation more times than not. People, seeing that the show was no longer seen in its familer time slot gave up on it and selected a new show to fill the void. I read that some networks, not wanting the demographic group that watched that show so they could get a more-profitable demographic group often DELIBERATELY preempted a show or placed it against a ratings powerhouse that attracted the same group they wanted to attract. Ratings tanked and the show was consequentially cancelled. :rip:
Jamey Greek 05-14-2018, 09:52 AM Not picking up the show about the revival carafe: "Revival"
Frequently preempting a show and/or changing it's time slot lead to it's cancellation more times than not. People, seeing that the show was no longer seen in its familer time slot gave up on it and selected a new show to fill the void. I read that some networks, not wanting the demographic group that watched that show so they could get a more-profitable demographic group often DELIBERATELY preempted a show or placed it against a ratings powerhouse that attracted the same group they wanted to attract. Ratings tanked and the show was consequentially cancelled. :rip:
Fox says it's happy for NBC and Brooklyn Nine-Nine, really (https://news.avclub.com/fox-says-its-happy-for-nbc-and-brooklyn-nine-nine-real-1826009269)
Every spring, TV networks engage in a traditional blood harvest of cancellations (http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/canceled-shows-2018-quantico-brooklyn-nine-nine-abc-nbc-fox-1202807724/) in order to ensure a bountiful harvest of press as they present their new fall lineups at their upfront presentations. This year’s ritual sacrifice took place last week, seeing the cancellation of around 20 shows, most traumatic of which was the demise of Brooklyn Nine-Nine (https://news.avclub.com/fox-cancels-the-mick-last-man-on-earth-and-holy-****-1825934459) in its fifth season. Now, with B99 set for a midseason 2018-2019 return on NBC (https://news.avclub.com/nbc-saves-brooklyn-nine-nine-1825975174), Fox is addressing its decision to dump the casually progressive cop comedy and snuggle up with Tim Allen’s Last Man Standing instead.
And it is tempting to read it as a political decision, at least based on the surface signifiers mentioned above. But the only politics involved in the decision were interoffice ones—specifically, Fox’s proposed merger with Disney, and Comcast/NBCU’s competing bid for the company’s TV and film studios—as Fox executives said earlier this morning. Asked directly why B99 got the axe, Fox CEO Dana Walden gave a diplomatic answer (http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/14/fox-brooklyn-nine-nine-last-man/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly), saying, “We love this show, those are great creators, it’s a phenomenal cast. We ordered it throughout five seasons. It’s a great length of time for a single-camera comedy. Ultimately we felt like we didn’t have the exact right place to schedule it this year.”
Walden shifted the blame onto the network’s decision to prioritize Bob’s Burgers by moving it into the primo post-Simpsons Sunday night slot, saying, “ultimately we decided we just didn’t have room for [Brooklyn Nine-Nine] and we’re really happy it’s found a new home.” We’re happy it’s happy, in other words.
Speaking to Deadline (http://deadline.com/2018/05/fox-brooklyn-nine-nine-nbc-pickup-upfronts-1202390235/) by phone, NBC’s Bob Greenblatt was more blunt, saying of the decision to pick up the show after infamously passing on the pilot back in 2012: “We own it.” (Brooklyn Nine-Nine is produced by NBC’s sister studio Universal TV, and was being licensed to Fox.) He also added that, if NBC had known that Andy Samberg would end up starring in the series, it never would have passed on B99 to begin with. And with NBC currently reigning (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/nbc-fall-2018-schedule-manifest-new-amsterdam-an-all-chicago-wednesday-1111472?utm_source=twitter) as the No. 1 network both in key demographics and total viewers, maybe, in the end, Fox’s “It’s not you, it’s me” really will be for the best.
simmytbone 06-04-2018, 04:44 PM They had a great Friday night lineup of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction and Greed. 2 of the best shows they've ever aired, I think they did well but were cancelled way too soon, especially Greed.
and both shows were Produced by the late great TV Icon Dick Clark the man behind American Bandstand
and yes, cancelling both shows was a HUGE Mistake from FOX, especially GREED
This was Chuck Woolery's 1st time hosting a Quiz Show after hosting many Word Games (Wheel of Fortune & SCRABBLE) and Dating Game Shows (Love Connection & The Dating Game from 1997-1999)
SUPER GREED was also AWESOME
In fact, I prefer GREED over Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? with Regis, Meredith, Cedric, etc. and The Weakest Link
simmytbone 06-04-2018, 05:00 PM Here's something else:
FOX aired its very 1st Game Show called Family Double Dare which is the spin-off of Nickelodeon's Double Dare
Marc Summers, Harvey and Robin Marella all wore Tux's durin' the show
The show aired on Saturday Nights @ 8/7 Central, but was cancelled after 3 month
Why was that? was it because FOX didn't have enough faith in the show of is it because they were up against The Facts of Life?
Jamey Greek 06-11-2018, 10:19 AM Here's something else:
FOX aired its very 1st Game Show called Family Double Dare which is the spin-off of Nickelodeon's Double Dare
Marc Summers, Harvey and Robin Marella all wore Tux's durin' the show
The show aired on Saturday Nights @ 8/7 Central, but was cancelled after 3 month
Why was that? was it because FOX didn't have enough faith in the show of is it because they were up against The Facts of Life?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xbs_Zge8gK8
This video will give you the answer
Jamey Greek 06-11-2018, 10:19 AM Here's something else:
FOX aired its very 1st Game Show called Family Double Dare which is the spin-off of Nickelodeon's Double Dare
Marc Summers, Harvey and Robin Marella all wore Tux's durin' the show
The show aired on Saturday Nights @ 8/7 Central, but was cancelled after 3 month
Why was that? was it because FOX didn't have enough faith in the show of is it because they were up against The Facts of Life?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xbs_Zge8gK8
This video will give you the answer
FOX IS WEIRD!!!!: "BROOKLYN NINE-NINE" OUT, "LAST MAN STANDING" BACK; A LOOK AT THE STRANGE PAST, PRESENT AND POSSIBLE FUTURE OF PROGRAMMING AT AMERICA'S 4TH AND WEIRDEST NETWORK. (https://davidbaruffi.blogspot.com/2018/05/fox-is-weird-brooklyn-nine-nine-out.html)
So, before we take a closer look into their recent moves and how they got here, I think we need to take a look at how we got here, 'cause Fox has an interesting history that's probably worth noting, for a couple reasons. One, is that it's still fairly young, in fact I'm actually a year old than Fox, so I've grown up with it all my life and watched it evolve, and the other is that, Fox, has always been a little "WEIRD"! Very weird. (Get used to it, I'm using the word "weird" a lot in this article) It's been weird in different ways, some good, some very good weird ways, although other times it's just been weird in bad ways for weirdness's sake at times. A lot times they've had to weird just out of necessity to get noticed at all, and since it was new at the time, it sorta worked. The joke has always been that Fox would put literally anything on the air, and absolutely, before the influx of reality TV becoming a mainstream thing, they were considered the network that easily put on the most exploitative of specials and programs, again in good and bad ways and to some extent they've never really kicked that perception entirely. That said, there were nuances and strategies to their scheduling and a lot of those innovations have been adapted and attempted by other networks since. CW, comes to mind as they basically seeked out a WB-like young adult audience that's basically a retread of a similar young adult audience that Fox aimed to get back when "Melrose Place" and "Beverly Hills, 90210" were the most popular shows to talk about in the schoolyard.(And they were back then.)
They've basically always branded themselves as the cool network in some manner, the one with the more taboo and edgy series of the time, and why not, they were the rebel, they were the young upstart, it was a glove that fit. Even their damn sports coverage, ever since they picked up the NFL, which people forget was a major game-changer at the time; the network had no previous national sports experience before they picked up the NFL back in 1994, of any kind and they a lot of things that they did revolutionized network sports broadcasting in that regard as well. That's the weird thing about Fox, it seems like almost everything they ever did was something that you could argue transformed the basics and ideas of what we think of as network broadcasting, often in a lot of minor ways that when you add it up gave the network a real identity, but on the same token, they are probably responsible for just as many disasters on the other end.
And yet, the weirdest thing about Fox, that has always annoyed the **** out of me from day one 'til now, and hardly anybody ever mentions it. Why does it stop programming at ten and not eleven. Seriously, how has that not bothered anyone else? I know they've always attempted to be different, but this has always genuinely confused me, especially the fact that they still do it today. I mean, for a network that's built it's success on edgy stuff from "Married with Children" to "The Simpsons" to "Cops" to "24" to "Family Guy" and "Arrested Development" and far beyond those shows too I might add, they cut to the local news, right at the time when most networks would be wetting their lips to put on the most edgy adult content that the kids would love, and where it would be more legal to do. (Yeah, remember that little weird thing, where the networks can show more adult content, and do things like say the seven words on network, but only between 10:00am and 6:00am when young kids are presumably not watching; that's still a thing.) There are a few reasons for this, one is classification. Eh, it's a little complex and involves a weird circumvention of Financial Interest and Syndication rules that the FCC had, but basically they didn't qualify as a basic network at that point, and were instead (and maybe still are) basically a bunch of TV stations. It's weird and complex, but it actually worked towards their advantage in the beginning, since they would air fewer shows and could focus in on those shows while still allowing the stations to air mostly supplemental syndication shows to fill up the rest of their schedules. That said, it's always been strange that they never adapted the ten o'clock series, and after thinking it through, I have my own theory on this. Now, at the time, a lot of Fox affiliates didn't even have local news programs, I suspect most of them do now, mine in Vegas at the time didn't, but it seems like, if you ever watched "Outfoxed" the local stations they owned that did, well, they felt the early effects of what Newscorp and Reagan's repealing the Fairness Doctrine before anybody, and I suspect that's a lot of why they keep with this model. I mean, it outright hasn't worked anywhere else, UPN and WB and now CW have basically shown that, although CW's success or lack of it with it is still TBD, but, they love having a ten o'clock end of Primetime, and possibly just as a strange, a beginning Primetime at seven on Sundays.. Lord knows it's more successful than anything they've ever had at eleven, the few times they tried, most notably "The Late Show with Joan Rivers", and "MadTV" (Alright "MadTV" I guess, was a cult hit), but they focus on promoting their local news, which, yes is important without the funding from that, most local stations affiliate would be bankrupt quickly and that's not a Fox thing, that's every network and every station.
And yet, it's also weird that even though they have Fox News under the Newscorp umbrella, they don't have a nightly news show, which seems like an obvious natural fit.... Why not a half-hour Fox News style nightly news program; believe me I wouldn't watch it, but it seems like a natural vertical integration? Huh; I told you, Fox is weird.
In it's little-over thirty years of this network, and going back through those old shows and their schedules, they've just been weird. That's basically been their signature, whatever it is, they've always been a little different than the other networks, mainly to attract a more younger demographic, or a more urban demographic at one point...,- that's always been Fox's prerogative and signature as a network, and the good thing about that, is that for the most parts, the network has kept a pretty solid brand and identity, but the other part about that however, is that it's so off sometimes from the beaten path, and generally they have so much fewer original programming than the other networks, especially in Primetime schedule, that it's sometimes also difficult to determine what actually works on the channel and what doesn't. Like, if you ask me to describe the channel in the last five years or so, I'd probably just show you this guy.
Boy, I can't seem to evade Gordon Ramsay from coming back into my life. But yeah, since they lost their cash cow in "American Idol" and "The X-Factor", the show that was supposed to replace it completely flopped and the trend of some of these reality shows seems to be to sliding a bit, it does make some sense that they'd be looking for an image alteration, right about now. So, yeah, let's maybe take a closer look at their recent moves, and see if we can see a pattern. Even before, all this recent action, let's not forget that their airing NFL Thursday Night Football starting next year, so that's one huge get, and one less night a week of Primetime programming to worry about. "Thursday Night Football" probably deserves it's own blogpost, but since nobody seems to like it when I write exclusively about sports here, I'll just move on and say, guaranteed moneymaker, good move.
Then the cancellation of these sitcoms. Again, they were cult series at best, but they were a continuation of the more high-profile, more critically-acclaimed and more culturally-significant recent trend of single-camera sitcoms that Fox has been one of the forerunners on since, "Arrested Development", actually long before that to be honest. They had experimented with that form for years with shows like "Action!" with Jay Mohr, and of course, the last hour-long sitcom to win the Emmy, "Ally McBeal" and even long before that too, like, from the beginning of the network. What else in that section of the network has gone on.
Now, I love his blog, but he does go on a bit about some of the differences between three-camera and single-camera, that is a little off-topic here and I may or may not agree with them, but the point he's making is that, they are switching to this, or at least, dipping their toes in, for now. And, it's a bit of a weird pairing. I mean, sure Fox, has a lot of success with multi-cam sitcoms, but not lately. That said, the two biggest sitcoms the channel's ever had, "Married with Children" and "That '70s Show" were multi-cams. (Although the only two to ever with the Emmy, "Ally McBeal" and "Arrested Development" were very much, single-cams.) I guess this is a pick your poison thing, try to grab what seems to be a bigger audience, or get a more Vanity Fair audience with the single-cams, but it does feel like a weird fit while they're still the network of Animation Domination in Primetime, and simultaneously the network that's banked on reality the most this century.
And with now, bringing back pro wrestling to a major basic network on a weekly basis in Primetime, for the first time since I don't know when, by picking up "WWE Smackdown Live". (So with football and wrestling, that's two full nights a week they don't have to schedule.) That's not a horrible move either btw, wrestling, like everything else doesn't get the ratings it used to, but the fans who are there will keep coming, just like the NFL.
It also means that, I suspects all the networks will be transitioning towards in the next few years, they're gonna be focusing in on live programming to get ratings more than scripted series. I don't think any sitcom, even three-camera ones are going live anymore after the "Undateable" fiasco, and lord knows, Fox has bad experience with that already after "Roc" did that for a season, but expect more play adaptations and specials. I don't about Thorn's thoughts on reality, so we'll see whether or not Fox will keeping seeking out the next "The Voice', but I somehow doubt that's in their objective however.
If you take each of these decisions, in a bubble, they all seem sound to one degree or another, but it's when you combine a lot of them together, that's when it all seems a little..., odd. And yet, while this switch to multi-cams is eye-opening, I can't necessarily say strange or too weird to work or even too weird to work for Fox. Fox has always gone in so many different directions that it's always gonna be hard to tell what they're gonna focus on in the future; they basically are determined to just find a hit and stick with it, and go with the flow, but that seems to indicate that there's no planning or strategy or point of view involved at all in their decisions and that's never been true before and it's not true now.
It's chaotic and little schizophrenic, sure. I mean, they get rid of the single-cams shows to get the broad audience with multi-cams but then they keep the animation block of they have, a niche market. They pay a buttload for more football, a mass-appeal sport, while they pick up pro wrestling, an ultimate niche attraction. Oh, and if anybody cares, and surprisingly people apparently did, they canceled "Lucifer" and "The X-Files" the sci-fi/fantasy cult series, the latter a previous breakout Fox stable, but kept "Empire" a modern-soap old-fashioned soap opera, for adults, and kept "Gotham" which from what I can tell even the superhero crowd is heavily split on. If I'm gonna guess, I'm gonna predict that "Last Man Standing" is not gonna last much longer than a year, although that might not matter since it might ring in a new era of single-camera sitcoms that Fox hasn't really had since the days of "Martin" and "Living Single", but are they gonna get the audience that this new revival of sitcoms pasts gets? (Shrugs) I'm not even 100% sure these sequel series and remakes trend isn't a fluke yet, and they're betting on Tim Allen's second series to help them get a part of this pie? Admittedly, unlike the other networks Fox doesn't have the great history of shows to bring back and revive and update at a moment's notice. Let's face it, nobody, except maybe me, would ever ask for a new "Herman's Head". (And any successful past series they might be able to pull out of their ass in perfect circumstances for a reboot, well-, they don't have perfect circumstances unfortunately. Looking at you "That '70s Show"....) so maybe it's the best gamble they got left, if they want to go in this direction, but...- that brings about the question of is this a good direction to go into?
(Shrugs)
I guess we'll see, but here's the thing, let's say it is successful and they play off of it and now we have a major broadcast network that's mainly based around popular, funny single-camera sitcoms that would make them...- something every network has already done at some point in their history successfully, at least once, if not multiple times. The network is 32 now, maybe it's time they grow up and stop being so weird, and this might be the first step towards that? Michael Thorn, he's the guy who helped developed "This is Us", one of the best and most adult shows on network television right now; is this an experiment to see if this approach could work for Fox in the future or is this perhaps, a turning point in the channel's history. No longer being the other network that sprawled out of the ashes of DuMont and other failed 4th networks, no longer the channel that'll air anything from the revolutionary to the distasteful, from the unique and innovative to the obscene and controversial? Now, it's more likely than ever that it'll turn into every other network.
Then I remember it's still got "The Simpsons" and all it's legacy series and now it's got pro wrestling.
(Sigh)
FOX is just WEIRD!
Jamey Greek 06-12-2018, 05:35 PM Here's something else:
FOX aired its very 1st Game Show called Family Double Dare which is the spin-off of Nickelodeon's Double Dare
Marc Summers, Harvey and Robin Marella all wore Tux's durin' the show
The show aired on Saturday Nights @ 8/7 Central, but was cancelled after 3 month
Why was that? was it because FOX didn't have enough faith in the show of is it because they were up against The Facts of Life?
The show had high ratings and it was even going to come back in the fall. But Fox wanted to take a page from Carey TPIr’s playbook and use celebrities and pro wrestlers and Geoffrey Darby did not want that.
king of comedy 06-12-2018, 06:05 PM I'm glad they got rid of The Mick. Garbage!
Jamey Greek 10-03-2018, 05:03 PM Not picking up Roseanne when it got cancelled
DeadlyToolTime 10-03-2018, 06:39 PM Retooling The Loop into a workplace comedy.
AntennaTV2020 10-06-2018, 02:25 PM Renewing Lethal Weapon for third season after they fired Clayne Crawford. Two episodes into the new season, now Damon Waynes is quitting the show. What a mess!
Jamey Greek 02-25-2019, 02:27 PM Pushing the premiere of Mental Samurai back for a SECOND time!
icecream 02-26-2019, 09:57 AM Not picking up Roseanne when it got cancelledFOX wouldn't have been able to pick up Roseanne with most of its cast. If they wanted Roseanne Barr to star in a new sitcom they could, but the entire supporting cast is on The Conners spin-off which is still one of ABC's highest rated shows. ABC would not have let FOX take over all their contracts.
dee2364 02-28-2019, 11:23 PM The worst thing FOX ever did was cancel these shows:
The Tick
Oliver Beene
Alcatraz
Almost Human. This one really hurt. This was shaping up to be the best network TV sci-fi show in a long time, and the boobs canceled it. I was so incredibly pissed off that I quit all of network television for years after. I couldn't stand seeing the most intelligent shows getting canceled while more reality TV show crap and dumb stuff like The Following was getting greenlighted.
Jamey Greek 05-12-2019, 10:23 AM Cancelling Cool Kids and Proven Innocent
icecream 05-13-2019, 10:06 AM Cancelling Cool Kids and Proven InnocentI liked Proven Innocent but there was no way it was coming back. Proven Innocent was DOA in ratings from the series premiere, which had an hour long Last Man Standing episode leading in.
Jamey Greek 01-31-2020, 12:38 PM Moving The Residenr to Tuesday night's where it is suffering.
icecream 02-04-2020, 06:08 PM Moving The Residenr to Tuesday night's where it is suffering.The Resident is still safe for season 4 and probably season 5. FOX has bigger problems across the board like Almost Family doing terrible out of The Masked Singer (lousy pickup for AF and off-putting premise in the first place), Flirty Dancing bombing, and Deputy continuing to fall. Last Man Standing also has to be nearing its end, lowest rated it has ever been and well past its prime. LMS does not deserve to outlast Tim Allen's much superior show Home Improvement in number of seasons either.
Jamey Greek 07-16-2020, 08:36 PM Cancelling Studs for Chevy Chase's ill-fated talk ahow.
irehtman 12-18-2021, 11:40 AM Both former FOX actresses Lea Michele (Glee) and Mindy Kaling (The Mindy Project) became financial bullies on their own FOX sitcoms castmates each.
stevea 12-18-2021, 09:46 PM Fox has always had a schizophrenic approach to television - the studio that actually produces the content goes for quirky high-concept series and creators with fresh new ideas, but the people on the airing end don't know how to market or program such content and get trigger happy on changing timeslots and pulling the plug before an audience can find a show.
Poster child for this--pulling the plug on Back to You in 2008.
Jamey Greek 02-24-2022, 02:21 PM Turning Name That Tune to all-celebrities. It is the kiss of death for a game show.
irehtman 04-26-2022, 03:47 PM Both former FOX actresses Zoe Jarman (The Mindy Project) and Melissa Benoist (Glee) were each forced-ended from their own FOX sitcoms too soon with emergency return to their own FOX series finales, due to FOX's financial difficulties.
Why Tom Brady will be a flop earning $37.5 million a year as Fox Sports' lead NFL analyst: He's a "strategically dull man" (https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Tom-Brady-joining-Fox-Sports-17165440.php)
"Unlike Tony Romo, Brady will not be entertaining in the booth. Or insightful. Or excited. Or even alive, really," Drew Magary says of NFL QB legend's 10-year, $375 million deal with Fox Sports. "What he WILL be is meticulous about withholding his candor, which is of course what we all love from someone paid to give us a candid look into the sport. Tom Brady is a strategically dull man, forever drawing inspiration from the lobotomized. He can’t even make kissing his own son on the mouth all THAT compelling. When he takes over the Fox booth alongside play-by-play man Kevin Burkhardt, he’ll almost certainly prove as useless a commentator as Joe Montana turned out to be (Montana joined NBC as a studio guy and lasted a Chevy Chase-esque nine weeks before quitting). I still believe, much to my detriment, that there’s an interesting person somewhere inside Brady. But if such a person truly exists within that Plasticine melon of his, he’s never letting it come out, no matter how well compensated he may be. It’s not worth his time, and he believes that you, the little people, are better off being stupid anyway. So, with that in mind, allow me to prepare you in advance for Brady’s ascension to the realm of color guys by mapping out, to the exact word, 42 things he will say while on the air."
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Tom Brady's one job as an NFL broadcaster will be to simply exist (https://defector.com/tom-bradys-one-and-only-job-as-a-broadcaster-will-be-to-exist/): "Will people like him? Who cares?" says Ray Ratto. "He won’t be a person at Fox any more than he would have been at Disney, CBS, NBC, Amazon, YouTube, BeIn or Home And Garden. He’s being hired for his name because that’s all he needs to give, and so that none of the other networks can have it, or him. For that he will make a reported $25 million a year, or $5 million more than Tony Romo, who was the previous 'he’s making WHAT?!' analyst. There. That should clear it up for you. Brady will be as he has always been, because that’s the Brady brand in its totality. There will be no oblique snideness, no settling scores with Bill Belichick, no hilarious ripostes at Kevin Burkhardt’s expense, no mocking analytics or anything else. The totality of Brady is about saying of nothing and watching the world try to analyze that nothingness. He is zazen, the meditation technique of observing something and then letting your thoughts about that thing dissolve into nothingness. He is all about thinking about not thinking."
Fox is making a mistake committing to Brady when he has a history of being noncommittal (https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/fox-now-has-tom-brady-but-they-shouldn-t-spike-the-football-yet-01g2q4e7q1aj): "Before Fox spikes the football... they should know that this process is destined for multiple lengthy reviews," says Kyle Koster. "Brady has already shown a Ross Perot-like penchant for changing his mind. Even those who have nuked their long-term memories to oblivion can recall that whole messy bit a few months ago when he hung up his cleats, then went out to the garage to retrieve them, along with his Tampa Bay Buccaneers regalia. Then there's the possibility that Brady won't retire for a long time. Pay no mind to the fact that he'll be 45-years-old the next time he plays a competitive football game. If we're to take him at his word — and honestly at this point that word should come with a dousing of salt — the seven-time Super Bowl winner would love to play until he is 50. It would still be exciting for Fox to introduce Brady's first booth appearance in 2027. It's also a tremendously long time to wait. Want to feel old? Kenny Pickett (who was drafted two weeks ago) will be 29 by then."
Brady's historic contract doesn't make sense because viewers don't care if a big name is calling the game (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/may/11/tom-brady-tv-deal-fox-sports-nfl-): "Announcers do not shift the metrics on games," says Oliver Connolly. "No one tunes in or out (in big enough numbers to make a difference) on any given matchup because of who or how a game is called. The game is the attraction, the announcers just help elevate or deflate the atmosphere. Talking on the South Beach Session podcast, John Skipper, the former head of ESPN, said that internal data at the company showed who was calling the game made little difference to audience figures. 'I never saw a scintilla of evidence that the people in the booth changed the ratings even by a smidgen,' Skipper said. 'The race to hire people is mostly about internal pride.' Hiring famous faces to yap about games is about prestige and ego. The hope for Fox is that Tom Brady being Tom Brady will sprinkle stardust on the network, attracting a couple of extra million dollars in ad revenue here and there from executives who just want to get in the room with Tom Bleeping Brady, no matter what the audience numbers say."
Bill Simmons calls Brady's deal "one of the most confusing media moments in recent sports media history" (https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/05/11/tom-brady-joins-fox-reaction-erin-andrews-julian-edelman): “I don’t understand any piece of it, including the part that he might play two more years," says Simmons. “As someone who really appreciates all the great stuff Brady did for my life over the years, won us all these Super Bowls, all these fun moments. This seems to be a guy who’s just grasping at the next step, really since that last playoff game. Now he’s set up for this 10-year TV career, after he told us how he wanted to spend time with his family. If I was his media PR adviser, I wouldn’t know what to do. I think I would just resign."
9 Fox Shows That Were Canceled Too Soon (https://www.thethings.com/fox-shows-that-were-canceled-too-soon/)
The Fox network has a notorious reputation for canceling great shows long before their shark-jumping moment.
James28 01-02-2025, 09:26 PM How about FOX announcing Family Guy will return midseason during the current (2024-25) broadcast season, only to tighten its primetime schedule to the point of Family Guy never returning for its next season at all? I don't see how this is a good thing. Family Guy did air two Hulu-exclusive holiday episodes, for Halloween and Christmas, last fall. I do not want to see Family Guy be entirely a Hulu exclusive going forward.
FOX filling the entirety of Fridays with sports (college football, college basketball, and the new UFL) this season doesn't help matters. And then FOX didn't list Family Guy on its midseason schedule (https://deadline.com/2024/11/fox-midseason-premiere-dates-9-1-1-lone-star-series-finale-animal-control-doc-rescue-hi-surf-1236180298/) last November, and then a short while later slate a new reality competition titled Extracted for the only remaining available slot on Monday after 9-1-1: Lone Star ends its run. This gives me the impression that FOX continuing to protect The Simpsons is now coming at the expense of Family Guy.
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