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Pavan

08-14-2013, 12:06 AM

TV Land September 2013

What's back: Boston Legal and The Nanny

What's expiring: Three's Company
What's gone: Curb Your Enthusiasm

Effective Monday, Sept. 9, 2013

Weekdays
8:00 AM Gunsmoke
9:00 AM Gunsmoke
10:00 AM Gunsmoke
11:00 AM Gunsmoke
12:00 PM Gunsmoke
1:00 PM Gunsmoke
2:00 PM Gunsmoke
3:00 PM Bonanza
4:00 PM Bonanza
5:00 PM M*A*S*H
5:30 PM M*A*S*H
6:00 PM M*A*S*H
6:30 PM M*A*S*H
7:00 PM Boston Legal
8:00 PM Boston Legal
9:00 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
9:30 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
10:00 PM Everybody Loves Raymond (Hot in Cleveland Wednesdays)
10:30 PM Everybody Loves Raymond (Hot in Cleveland Wednesdays)
11:00 PM Everybody Loves Raymond (Friends Wednesdays)
11:30 PM King of Queens (Friends Wednesdays)
12:00 AM King of Queens
12:30 AM King of Queens
1:00 AM King of Queens
1:30 AM King of Queens
2:00 AM The Cosby Show (Mon); The Golden Girls (Tues); King of Queens (Wed, Fri); Roseanne (Thurs)
2:30 AM The Cosby Show (Mon); The Golden Girls (Tues); The Nanny (Wed); Roseanne (Thurs); Everybody Loves Raymond (Fri)
3:00 AM The Cosby Show (Mon); The Golden Girls (Tues); The Nanny (Wed); Roseanne (Thurs); Everybody Loves Raymond (Fri)
3:30 AM The Cosby Show (Mon); The Golden Girls (Tues); The Nanny (Wed); Roseanne (Thurs); Everybody Loves Raymond (Fri)
4:00 AM The Cosby Show (Mon); The Golden Girls (Tues); The Nanny (Wed); Roseanne (Thurs); Everybody Loves Raymond (Fri)
4:30 AM The Cosby Show (Mon); The Golden Girls (Tues); The Nanny (Wed); Roseanne (Thurs); That '70s Show (Fri)
5:00 AM The Cosby Show (Mon); The Golden Girls (Tues); The Nanny (Wed); Roseanne (Thurs); That '70s Show (Fri)
5:30 AM The Cosby Show (Mon); The Golden Girls (Tues); The Nanny (Wed); Roseanne (Thurs); That '70s Show (Fri)

Saturdays
6:00 AM The Nanny
6:30 AM The Nanny
7:00 AM The Nanny
7:30 AM The Nanny
8:00 AM The Nanny
8:30 AM The Nanny
9:00 AM The Nanny
9:30 AM The Nanny
10:00 AM The Golden Girls
10:30 AM The Golden Girls
11:00 AM The Golden Girls
11:30 AM The Golden Girls
12:00 PM The Cosby Show
12:30 PM The Cosby Show
1:00 PM The Cosby Show
1:30 PM The Cosby Show
2:00 PM The Cosby Show
2:30 PM The Cosby Show
3:00 PM The Cosby Show
3:30 PM The Cosby Show
4:00 PM The Cosby Show
4:30 PM The Cosby Show
5:00 PM TV Land Movie
8:00 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
8:30 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
9:00 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
9:30 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
10:00 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
10:30 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
11:00 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
11:30 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
12:00 AM King of Queens
12:30 AM King of Queens
1:00 AM King of Queens
1:30 AM King of Queens
2:00 AM That '70s Show
2:30 AM That '70s Show
3:00 AM That '70s Show
3:30 AM That '70s Show
4:00 AM The Cosby Show
4:30 AM The Cosby Show
5:00 AM The Cosby Show
5:30 AM The Cosby Show

Sundays
6:00 AM The Cosby Show
6:30 AM The Cosby Show
7:00 AM The Cosby Show
7:30 AM The Cosby Show
8:00 AM The Cosby Show
8:30 AM The Cosby Show
9:00 AM The Cosby Show
9:30 AM The Cosby Show
10:00 AM The Cosby Show
10:30 AM The Cosby Show
11:00 AM Hot in Cleveland
11:30 AM Hot in Cleveland
12:00 PM Roseanne
12:30 PM Roseanne
1:00 PM Roseanne
1:30 PM Roseanne
2:00 PM Roseanne
2:30 PM Roseanne
3:00 PM Roseanne
3:30 PM Roseanne
4:00 PM Roseanne
4:30 PM Roseanne
5:00 PM The Golden Girls
5:30 PM The Golden Girls
6:00 PM The Golden Girls
6:30 PM The Golden Girls
7:00 PM The Golden Girls
7:30 PM The Golden Girls
8:00 PM The Golden Girls
8:30 PM The Golden Girls
9:00 PM The Golden Girls
9:30 PM The Golden Girls
10:00 PM The Golden Girls
10:30 PM The Golden Girls
11:00 PM The Golden Girls
11:30 PM The Golden Girls
12:00 AM King of Queens
12:30 AM King of Queens
1:00 AM King of Queens
1:30 AM King of Queens
2:00 AM That '70s Show
2:30 AM That '70s Show
3:00 AM That '70s Show
3:30 AM That '70s Show
4:00 AM The Golden Girls
4:30 AM The Golden Girls
5:00 AM The Golden Girls
5:30 AM The Golden Girls

icecream

08-14-2013, 12:59 PM

Ezzy

08-14-2013, 03:49 PM

For awhile, The Practice aired on the ABC affiliate here in NYC. I think at some point it went to WYNW but not sure.

icecream

08-14-2013, 04:08 PM

For awhile, The Practice aired on the ABC affiliate here in NYC. I think at some point it went to WYNW but not sure.It was in broadcast syndication but that was several years ago.

happyfullhousedays

08-14-2013, 04:12 PM

This Lineup Sucks!!!!!! Everything on here is so stale

McGillicuddy

08-14-2013, 04:25 PM

Is Hot in Cleveland the only first-run show airing in Sept? What about all those other shows, and the new one Kirstie?

clj2

08-14-2013, 05:01 PM

This is depressing.

Mornings and primetime are terrible.

retrofan05

08-14-2013, 05:25 PM

Weekday mornings are awful! I liked it when they were airing blocks of black and white sitcoms awhile back. Also, why is HIC the only original airing on the weekends? They have plenty of episodes of their other shows that could air along with HIC. I also can't believe Friends is only airing for one hour once a week. The marathon must have been a flop.

Mace Dolex

08-14-2013, 05:42 PM

All those shows shown in blocks won't that finish off several of them to the point of exhaustion?

Ezzy

08-14-2013, 05:50 PM

I remember when Nick created TV land for the sole purposes of showing all these old shows like MTM, DVD, Get Smart, L&S.. What happened to this network?

Mr. Television

08-14-2013, 05:58 PM

In an ideal cable world, I would not pay even a penny to, and thus have removed, all of the Viacom networks (BET, MTV, VH1, CMT, Centric, Nickelodeon, TV Land, Comedy Central, Spike, and TeenNick) that I am currently paying for and not interested in watching. I sure wish George Carlin was still around to update his "seven dirty words" list, because viacom belongs on it.
I agree with you. I remember when Direct TV took them off for awhile. I didn't miss them one bit.

TKMetal

08-14-2013, 06:08 PM

Roseanne continues to run on TV Land, Logo and WE TV at the same time on Sundays.

techtitan100

08-14-2013, 06:18 PM

I do not like this schedule, Boston Legal is a newer sitcom and they need to take Roseanne and Cosby off on weekends, have seen enough of these shows, and where is my Three's Company, I hope its in the Antenna TV Fall 2013 line-up

ABC1

08-14-2013, 06:52 PM

Not too much variety in the line-up at all. I used to love TV Land...:(

Mr. Television

08-14-2013, 06:55 PM

TV Land represents the current state of tv in general...mostly junk.

Tubehead

08-14-2013, 10:41 PM

I hand';t watched tv land in years since they got ride of I love lucy home improvement family ties and Sanford and son I was watching itll death then they pulled it off it didn't even stay on couple weeks

Patty Duke

08-15-2013, 12:02 AM

Wow this schedule is pathetic. TVLand had been going downhill but this is the worst it's ever been. 7 hours of Gunsmoke every day, didn't realize the morning sitcoms had been taken off and no Andy (long time staple) whatsoever. And Boston Legal in primetime, didn't it fail there before? It's too bad BL keeps getting chances and no network will pick up the far superior parent show The Practice.

I gave up on TVLand years ago. I'm way too young to have seen the shows from the 50's, 60's..... but old enough to remember when TVLand aired those great old classic's from that era and they were one of the best but in my book... stick a fork in em, they are done.

mets82

08-16-2013, 02:57 PM

Wow!! That lineup has about 2 mins. of thought put into it. Who thought putting 7 hrs. of Gunsmoke was a good idea? And btw, this schedule might have to be revised with all the off the clock crap that they do. So you might have episodes start at 1:12 pm or 3:48 pm.

dakert

08-17-2013, 12:41 AM

I want to say TVLand Blows but that seems so redundant as it has been blowing for years now.

TVFactFan

08-17-2013, 02:49 PM

TVFactFan

08-17-2013, 02:53 PM

TVFactFan

08-17-2013, 02:58 PM

Five Reasons why TV Land no longer matters

1. Youtube
2. DVD's
3. Antenna TV
4. Me-TV
5. hulu-tv

So just keep getting worst TV land because us fans have other options:wave:

yankeesrj12

08-17-2013, 03:32 PM

TVFactFan

08-17-2013, 03:37 PM

TVLand likely took off the shows with the lowest ratings. If they don't make any drastic schedule changes the next time around, I'd say they are pleased with the ratings. Personally, I think its a solid lineup.

Solid to someone who can't see:lol: :lol:

Mr. Television

08-17-2013, 03:55 PM

yankeesrj12

08-17-2013, 04:59 PM

7 straight hours of Gunsmoke? I like the show but that's too much. The rest of the schedule is even worse.
But there are 635 episodes. Airing 7 episodes a day, it's still going to take over 100 days to air all the episodes. If the episode order was smaller (like 300) I could see where 7 episodes a day would be a problem, but since its early morning and the episode total is so large, it doesn't matter.

Mr. Television

08-17-2013, 06:26 PM

But there are 635 episodes. Airing 7 episodes a day, it's still going to take over 100 days to air all the episodes. If the episode order was smaller (like 300) I could see where 7 episodes a day would be a problem, but since its early morning and the episode total is so large, it doesn't matter.
They don't have the rights to all 635 episodes. If they had all the episodes and aired them uncut, I'd probably tape it.

tooltime1996

08-17-2013, 08:42 PM

I think TV Land should fix their schedule for October with some changes they are:

1. Reduce Gunsmoke and Bonanza airings to 3 episodes a day Weekdays.

2. Put Boston Legal at 4PM and 5PM Weekdays.

3. Please Bring back Home Improvement or air it on Nick at Nite to pick up the share with The Hallmark Channel.

4. Please remove Friends from Nick at Nite and air it every night on TV Land.

mets82

08-21-2013, 02:35 PM

Its funny. I was watching a tape from 2003 and it was from TVLand. It was the "last things last" and "first things first" stunts that they used to do. Plus, remember when the end credit crunch would be about the show that was airing next and they would give you a little tidbit about it?

Ahh, the good old days. :(

TVFactFan

08-21-2013, 08:58 PM

Tubehead

08-22-2013, 12:52 AM

I DON;'T WATCH T V LAND C ENTS THEY GOT R IDE OF I LOVE LUCY HOME INMPROVMENT AND SANFROD AND SON I DID WATCH IT FOR ITLL DEATH WHEN IT WAS ONE IT WANS'T EVEN ON FOR WEEK I SEEN MOST EPSIDOES OF GUN SMOKLE I MIGHT CHECK OUT KING OF QUEENS I SEEN IT FEW TIMES ON TV. I WISH THEY WOULD CONSIDER ARIING 1990S STICOME LIKE HANING WIT MR COOPER OR HOW ABOUT SAVED BY THE BELL OR CALFION DREAMS OR BOY MEETS WORLD I WISH THEY WOULD AIR THE WONDER YEARS IT PRETTY POPULAR SHOW I HATED THAT THEY TOOK IT OFF ON THE HUB I GET IT ON NETLIFX I THINK MORE PEOPLE WOULD WATCH THE WONDER YEARS I ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE MUNSTER MY FAVORITAIN MARTIAN OR THE INCDIALBE HULK WITH BILLY BIXIY

tooltime1996

08-24-2013, 10:39 AM

This TV Land schedule sucks big time because they got rid of the good shows!!!

icecream

08-26-2013, 02:00 PM

Happily Divorced has been cancelled after two seasons.

70s80s90sfan

08-26-2013, 02:45 PM

I can't Remembet the last time I ever watched TV Land. It Sucks

I stick with Nick At Nite.

TVFactFan

08-26-2013, 04:14 PM

I can't Remembet the last time I ever watched TV Land. It Sucks

I stick with Nick At Nite.

N@N has always been better than TV land

Dale Key

08-27-2013, 09:23 AM

My three favorite shows are Roseanne, The Nanny and The Golden Girls. So I like the late night schedule for the most part.

mets82

08-27-2013, 03:01 PM

I firmly believe that TV Land is just a prop for Hot in Cleveland, The Exes, etc. I mean how could it not be? EVERY single commerical starts off with them promoting one of those shows. :mad: :mad:

If your watching a Roseanne Marathon or Golden Girls marathon, you have to see the same commercial about 5 or more times. Enough!!

yankeesrj12

08-27-2013, 03:36 PM

I firmly believe that TV Land is just a prop for Hot in Cleveland, The Exes, etc. I mean how could it not be? EVERY single commerical starts off with them promoting one of those shows. :mad: :mad:
Well what do you expect them to do, show commercials for encore programming? The profits for TV Land are likely coming from the original series, so their goal is to get people to watch them.

mets82

08-27-2013, 03:42 PM

I know but not every commerical break. I mean I dont think that HIC, The Exes, etc. are the only profitable shows on TV Land?

loaferman

08-27-2013, 03:46 PM

Way too little variety, way too many commercials. TVL was once my go to channel and I haven't watched in around 2 years or so now. How many hours of any show in a row do people want? I wish we could choose channels not to pay for so these awful channels would have to sink or swim based on good programming, rather than being part of a conglomerate's bundle.

yankeesrj12

08-27-2013, 04:08 PM

I know but not every commerical break. I mean I dont think that HIC, The Exes, etc. are the only profitable shows on TV Land?
I'd say Hot in Cleveland is a major money maker for TV Land. The original series aren't going to be the only profitable shows on TV Land, but if I had to guess, it is significantly more than the classic shows.

RobbieG

08-27-2013, 11:16 PM

I was wondering when Pavan would get around to documenting the TV Land changes (for the worse, IMO). They actually started back at the beginning of July. TV Land dropped The Dick Van Dyke Show and I Love Lucy, at the beginning of July, as near as I could tell, and replaced them with a huge block of The Andy Griffith Show which lasted from 8 a.m. to about 12:30 p.m., when Gunsmoke took over. That was tolerable, as at least the Andy episodes offered a little more variety, and they even aired some of the color episodes which had not been aired in a long time. They're not as good as the B&W ones, but I was so tired of seeing the same B&W episodes over and over that the color episodes offered a nice change. Near as I could tell, they were doing themes: one morning seemed to be all episodes with Aunt Bee and her suitors, another morning had all Otis episodes, etc.

But when August came and they just replaced the Andy block with Gunsmoke, adding to the Gunsmoke already airing in the afternoons, things on this network got really pathetic.

Golden Girls originally started airing from 8-9 p.m. which lasted all of a few weeks in that slot. 'Til Death only lasted two weeks at all on the schedule. It seems like whoever is in charge of programming at TV Land is drunk most of the time and makes changes on a daily basis.

I really miss their brief return to classic TV last year when they had Leave It to Beaver, The Andy Griffith Show, The Dick Van Dyke Show, and I Love Lucy on weekday mornings. Slowly those shows began to disappear and now they are all gone again. I don't think there's a single B&W show left on TV Land.

Someone said a while back that TV Land only makes money on their original programming--most of which I think is crap. I don't watch any of their original shows anymore--I don't think they're funny. How did they make money in the days when they actually showed only classic TV? Are you saying they didn't make money back then? And they gave up on classic TV long before MeTV and Antenna TV came along, so "competition" cannot be the excuse for why they had to give up classic TV.

I guess MeTV and Antenna TV don't make any money because they don't have original programming?

I think this line about TV Land only making money on original programming is just wishful thinking on the part of someone who is a fan of their original programming.

As for TV Land having a higher profit margin with their original programming, I could see how that might be true--except I would've thought the costs of producing those shows would be greater than what TV Land would have to pay for classic TV packages. Of course, the original programming might attract higher-paying advertisers.

But I think this network used to make money with only classic TV. Like Disney, Animal Planet, etc. which used to show classic TV shows late at night, TV Land is just the latest in a string of networks in which a new generation of executives came in and changed everything because executives are egotistical and want to imprint their own "brand" on the network. In doing so they move the networks away from what made the networks successful in the first place--not for the sake of profits, but for the sake of the egos of the new execs.

Hallmark is now my new go-to basic cable channel since TV Land is in the dumper. Hallmark seems to be able to make money showing a variety of classic TV shows.

I was at least enjoying That '70s Show until they kicked that to 5:30 a.m.--oh, except they don't even seem to air it every weekday morning, just some mornings. Again, the drunken programmer is at the controls for this network...

Mr. Drucker

08-28-2013, 09:42 AM

Money matters aside,I just think it a sin that there seems to be less and less appreciation for the art of tv and of the true classics of the medium,an appreciation I feel IS being dutifully carried out by METV.By running programs such as "12 O'Clock High","Combat","Batman","Rifleman",etc.they are displaying a desire to provide the nation with what they feel are true tv land greats despite whether or not they can compete fiscally with the network we CALL TVLand that at this point has significantly strayed from its original portents.In the begining,they strived on sorts of "lost" golden oldies such as "My Three Sons","Get Smart","Bewitched" and "Donna Reed".Now they only see dollar signs in the names of "Everybody Loves Raymond" "King Of Queens" and their recently produced original series.And where are the four former title now?TA-DA!!METV!!

LUNCH

08-28-2013, 12:11 PM

I don't care about their unwatchable channel because we have ME and Antenna TV here,but I feel for those who don't get either one or both of those channels.. Anyhow about TVLand and their profits: They would still make plenty of money if they showed a wide variety of only classic programming and on top of that they could easily ALSO be commercial free because they get a lot of $$$ from Pay-TV subscribers. Paying for the likes of TVLand and so much of cable,,,,didn't Dire Straits have a song called "Money For Nothing". I know I've touched on this topic so many times before,but still...

LUNCH

08-28-2013, 12:58 PM

Off topic a bit,but why are free channels like Antenna and ME-TV SO much better in every way than the TVLands etc. that you pay for.When you pay for something you're supposed to get something better,right?

McGillicuddy

08-28-2013, 03:10 PM

I miss the old TVLand with shows from the '60's and the clever commercials promoting the shows.

Proxio

09-04-2013, 04:22 PM

TV Land is awful can't stand this network anymore outside of the their prime time comedies like Hot in Cleveland and The Exes.

This network is nothing like Me-TV and Antenna TV which never sold out on airing classic entertainment.

The expiring contract of Three's Company that wasn't picked up really really makes me sick. That was virtually the only rerun that I was watching. Even though Three's Company is very old now I hope its still viable enough to stay on network TV and land on another network.

icecream

09-04-2013, 06:58 PM

Did TVLand change this schedule already? A bunch of Andy Griffith is listed for tonight.

clj2

09-04-2013, 08:00 PM

They're airing the best of Andy Griffith all week in the evening then the crazy no variety schedule starts next week.

TVFactFan

09-04-2013, 08:27 PM

see that's why I'm glad I no longer have TV Land lol

clj2

09-06-2013, 07:27 PM

TV Land has altered the schedule for next week already. Boston Legal airs from roughly 4-6pm, then Andy Griffith from 6-9pm. Guess TAGS has been doing really well.

Nyan

09-06-2013, 08:27 PM

Hey TV Land
I'm seeing Boston Legal in the schedule
I see the awful Carl Sack episodes are playing
Get rid of them. Now.

RobbieG

09-19-2013, 05:59 PM

TV Land has altered the schedule for next week already. Boston Legal airs from roughly 4-6pm, then Andy Griffith from 6-9pm. Guess TAGS has been doing really well.

This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about--the frequency of their schedule changes, although I am glad to see TAGS back in the schedule. TAGS is still airing this week in that block, so clearly TV Land has already departed from the schedule that Pavan posted just a few weeks ago. I think TAGS did really well when they ran it in the evenings when it originally launched on TV Land, but that didn't stop them from kicking it around, and it won't stop them from moving it again this time, either, due to the ineptitude of the people running the network.

I've heard many TAGS fans say they couldn't watch it in the daytime because they're at work, and they have enough backlogs of recordings that it wasn't practical to try to record it, but they would willingly watch it live if it came on after they got home from work, especially around dinnertime. So evening time should be good for TAGS on TV Land--but, as I said, I wouldn't want to even bet $5 that it will be on TV Land in that slot two weeks from now.

Of course, this means MASH is off their schedule for now.

Another change from that schedule: on Fridays there is no Gunsmoke block; instead of 6 episodes of Gunsmoke, there's 8 episodes of Bonanza! I first noticed this last Friday (September 13), but it may have started the week before that. So the schedule that started this thread needs to be altered to say 6 eps of Gunsmoke Mon-Thu but 8 eps of Bonanza Fri. The point is that the network makes schedule changes so frequently, and the time slots are so erratic and irregular, that it's almost impossible for a viewer to settle into a viewing schedule with TV Land for anything (except its original shows, which seem regular on Wednesdays at 10 p.m.).

Whatever you think of the shows they decide to drop or keep--IMO, the biggest problems remains with their erraticism, which is why I claim the network is being programmed by a bunch of drunken monkeys sitting at typewriters. I can't imagine any sane person who thinks such an erratic schedule is good for the network, which is why I claim the people who run it must be feeble-minded.

And get rid of the "Best Night In" segments on Monday nights with Leila Sbitani, which are nothing but very thinly disguised plugs for their sponsors (for whom they usually run an ad right after the "Best Night In" segment). They'd be better off just running two ads for that sponsor and dropping the "Best Night In" segment. With the shameless plugs and dopey smiles, Sbitani is annoying, making it really "Worst Night In" for TV Land.

icecream

09-19-2013, 07:29 PM

which is why I claim the network is being programmed by a bunch of drunken monkeys sitting at typewriters.:rotflmao: :eek3:

clj2

09-19-2013, 08:22 PM

If it's anything redeeming for variety, it appears I Love Lucy and Dick Van Dyke are coming back for mornings in October, along with a mid-day hour of TAGS.

loaferman

09-20-2013, 10:41 AM

Another change from that schedule: on Fridays there is no Gunsmoke block; instead of 6 episodes of Gunsmoke, there's 8 episodes of Bonanza! I first noticed this last Friday (September 13), but it may have started the week before that. So the schedule that started this thread needs to be altered to say 6 eps of Gunsmoke Mon-Thu but 8 eps of Bonanza Fri.
This is what is wrong with cable and it is not just TVLand - 8 episodes of Bonanza? Do they think the same viewers are going to sit through 8 hours of one show? How many minutes of commercials would that include? If every time I tune to a network I see the same show, I label it something like the "Bonanza channel" and if I don't like that series I rarely check back when anything else is on. I swear there was a time when "Roseanne" was on TVLand 24 hours a day. I gave up on the channel probably 2 years or more ago when I not only got tired of seeing 6 episodes of one series, but realized it was programmed into enough actual time to air like 8 episodes. I bought that entire series on DVD for under $30 (King of Queens) and now can watch with no edits and no commercials.

clj2

09-20-2013, 12:38 PM

Given the popularity of "binge viewing" on streaming services like Netflix, Amazon, etc., I think channels are trying to create a similar experience.

LUNCH

09-20-2013, 01:13 PM

I don't think that's the reason.Many channels these days just do things the cheapest way they can.

loaferman

09-20-2013, 01:41 PM

I don't think that's the reason.Many channels these days just do things the cheapest way they can.

I'm sure this is always the primary reason, especially if they are connected to some content owners. Binge viewing might be a consideation but you'd have to really love "Bonanza" to watch edited episodes with commercials basically all day. Assuming most viewers don't have all day to watch they must depend on a lot of people who tune in liking that show. I miss the days when even if a show ran in syndication you got one episode per weekday and there was a different show every 30 or 60 minutes. You rarely saw "back to back" programs and never saw "marathons". I am so sick of marathons even of shows I like.

RobbieG

09-26-2013, 06:15 PM

This is what is wrong with cable and it is not just TVLand - 8 episodes of Bonanza? Do they think the same viewers are going to sit through 8 hours of one show? How many minutes of commercials would that include? If every time I tune to a network I see the same show, I label it something like the "Bonanza channel" and if I don't like that series I rarely check back when anything else is on. I swear there was a time when "Roseanne" was on TVLand 24 hours a day. I gave up on the channel probably 2 years or more ago when I not only got tired of seeing 6 episodes of one series, but realized it was programmed into enough actual time to air like 8 episodes. I bought that entire series on DVD for under $30 (King of Queens) and now can watch with no edits and no commercials.

When Roseanne launched on TV Land, I think it aired for 4 hours late at night every night. On Thursdays they also aired 4 hours in prime time, for a total of 8 hours on Thursdays. People began calling TV Land "The Roseanne Network." A viewer posted, with which I agreed, that they used to like Roseanne but now hated it due to TV Land over-airing it.

Leila Sbitani admitted during one of TV Land's terrible "Best Night In" segments that Roseanne was one of her favorite shows. I was not surprised. I sometimes think the networks program more for what their employees like than for what their viewers like.

I don't understand the huge blocks, either. I was watching The Jeffersons mornings from 7 to 8 a.m. on TVONE but they also air The Jeffersons one day during the week for eight hours (each sitcom has a different day), and those episodes are part of the sequence, so to watch the episodes in order I would have to include all the episodes that air on Tuesday. Hallmark airs 3 hours of I Love Lucy a day, except on weekends when it's 4 hours. I like The Waltons but Hallmark airs 4 hours of it a day. Who can watch these huge blocks? And who wants to watch knowing they are missing episodes? Not me. I want to see all the episodes, in order, but only a reasonable number a day.

MeTV, Antenna TV, and THIS TV seem to do a better job of not relying on huge blocks, airing one or two episodes of each show a day so you can watch them all if you want to.

I notice TAGS is starting earlier on TV Land. It was starting around 6:15 or 6:30 p.m., but at least today (Thursday) it started at about 5:43 p.m. At least this is one change I am enjoying, although I can't usually watch 2-3 hours of TAGS any more than I can watch 8 hours of Bonanza. Schedules continue to change daily or weekly at TV Land.

Robbie

TVFactFan

09-26-2013, 07:36 PM

When Roseanne launched on TV Land, I think it aired for 4 hours late at night every night. On Thursdays they also aired 4 hours in prime time, for a total of 8 hours on Thursdays. People began calling TV Land "The Roseanne Network." A viewer posted, with which I agreed, that they used to like Roseanne but now hated it due to TV Land over-airing it.

Leila Sbitani admitted during one of TV Land's terrible "Best Night In" segments that Roseanne was one of her favorite shows. I was not surprised. I sometimes think the networks program more for what their employees like than for what their viewers like.

I don't understand the huge blocks, either. I was watching The Jeffersons mornings from 7 to 8 a.m. on TVONE but they also air The Jeffersons one day during the week for eight hours (each sitcom has a different day), and those episodes are part of the sequence, so to watch the episodes in order I would have to include all the episodes that air on Tuesday. Hallmark airs 3 hours of I Love Lucy a day, except on weekends when it's 4 hours. I like The Waltons but Hallmark airs 4 hours of it a day. Who can watch these huge blocks? And who wants to watch knowing they are missing episodes? Not me. I want to see all the episodes, in order, but only a reasonable number a day.

MeTV, Antenna TV, and THIS TV seem to do a better job of not relying on huge blocks, airing one or two episodes of each show a day so you can watch them all if you want to.

I notice TAGS is starting earlier on TV Land. It was starting around 6:15 or 6:30 p.m., but at least today (Thursday) it started at about 5:43 p.m. At least this is one change I am enjoying, although I can't usually watch 2-3 hours of TAGS any more than I can watch 8 hours of Bonanza. Schedules continue to change daily or weekly at TV Land.

Robbie

Who is Lelia?

tlc38tlc38

09-26-2013, 08:07 PM

I gave up on tv land years ago. The only show I ever watch on tv land is Hot In Cleveland...and I just wait for the season DVD to come out. My dad watches Gunsmoke and Bonanza but that's all.

I don't fool with nick@nite anymore either.

If it weren't for Lifetime and Logo, I would drop directv and just use an antenna. The only show I watch on Logo is Rupaul's Drag Race. I watch Devious Maids on Lifetime...I'm also looking forward to Witches of East End.

RobbieG

09-27-2013, 05:38 PM

Who is Lelia?

Leila Sbitani hosts segments on Monday nights on TV Land called "Best Night In." They usually air between episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond. They used to be about things that didn't appear to be connected to a sponsor, but that appear to appeal *generally* to women more than to men--how to make candles at home, what is the best perfume, how to get your spouse to get you the right Valentine's Day gift--stuff like that. I know it's never something I'm interested in. Lately the segments seem to be more targeted to promote a sponsor. One back in the early summer had her talking with someone about their favorite Sonic milkshake flavors as part of Sonic's great milkshake summer promotion.

During one of the less commercial segments, she talked with a guest about the fan-favorite TV kids and one of the Connor kids from Roseanne made the list. I was not surprised that it was Darlene Connor that made the top of one list because I hated her sarcastic character more than any other on the show, and my favorites are usually at odds with other viewers' favorites. I quickly got tired of Darlene's smart mouth and wished Roseanne would give it a good smack. If someone in my house mouthed off like that all the time, I would give them the heave-ho. I noticed Sara Gilbert played the same type of wisecracking smart-mouth on The Big Bang Theory, making me wonder if she's like that in real life and is getting typecast.

Anyway, during the segment about Darlene, Leila admitted Roseanne was one of her favorite shows. I have to wonder how much of what the network airs is because of what their employees and associates like, rather than what their viewers like.

Here's the Wikipedia page on Leila:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_Sbitani

Robbie

TVFactFan

09-27-2013, 10:21 PM

Leila Sbitani hosts segments on Monday nights on TV Land called "Best Night In." They usually air between episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond. They used to be about things that didn't appear to be connected to a sponsor, but that appear to appeal *generally* to women more than to men--how to make candles at home, what is the best perfume, how to get your spouse to get you the right Valentine's Day gift--stuff like that. I know it's never something I'm interested in. Lately the segments seem to be more targeted to promote a sponsor. One back in the early summer had her talking with someone about their favorite Sonic milkshake flavors as part of Sonic's great milkshake summer promotion.

During one of the less commercial segments, she talked with a guest about the fan-favorite TV kids and one of the Connor kids from Roseanne made the list. I was not surprised that it was Darlene Connor that made the top of one list because I hated her sarcastic character more than any other on the show, and my favorites are usually at odds with other viewers' favorites. I quickly got tired of Darlene's smart mouth and wished Roseanne would give it a good smack. If someone in my house mouthed off like that all the time, I would give them the heave-ho. I noticed Sara Gilbert played the same type of wisecracking smart-mouth on The Big Bang Theory, making me wonder if she's like that in real life and is getting typecast.

Anyway, during the segment about Darlene, Leila admitted Roseanne was one of her favorite shows. I have to wonder how much of what the network airs is because of what their employees and associates like, rather than what their viewers like.

Here's the Wikipedia page on Leila:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_Sbitani

Robbie

I wouldn't be surprised because the DJ's for radio stations in Philly always play the songs they like

Ryan Chamberlain

09-28-2013, 08:38 PM

This was for September. But, I'll just put here that Friends is gonna start on TV Land on Monday.

Which, is good for me at least because I am starting to find that show funny since I'm in my late 20s (I didn't used to get it!) and I wanna see it from the beginning. Hopefully they will start it from there.

TVFactFan

09-28-2013, 08:56 PM

Ryan Chamberlain

09-28-2013, 11:21 PM

Because, I want to see it from the first season in order and TBS is on season 10 and Nick@Nite is on season 9.

TVFactFan

09-28-2013, 11:36 PM

Because, I want to see it from the first season in order and TBS is on season 10 and Nick@Nite is on season 9.

In the words of my grandmom.........."I SEE":lol:

Ryan Chamberlain

09-29-2013, 12:58 AM

Yep.

I actually remember watching at the first couple seasons while I was a kid. But, I found it boring then and just didn't "get it" so I stopped. But, at my age now. I totally "get" the show now. I've just gotta start watching in chronological order.

RobbieG

10-13-2013, 11:39 PM

I notice TV Land has been shortening The Golden Girls marathon on Sunday nights. At first it ran so late into the night that it preempted both Everybody Loves Raymond and The King of Queens. They have slowly been shortening it to make room for The King of Queens until now The King of Queens is starting at its regular weeknight air time of 11 p.m, while Everybody Loves Raymond is still preempted. I can't stand The King Of Queens--I find the dopey buffoon and his whining wife and yelling father-in-law completely annoying and unsympathetic. I am tired of the The Golden Girls and its cheap jokes. For some reason TV Land doesn't have any problem continuing to preempt Everybody Loves Raymond, a show I still love. I still don't like (or get) Friends either. As usual, the network favors shows I hate and constantly messes with the air time of shows I like such as Raymond.

The schmucks who run this network obviously like a completely different set of shows than I do. Fortunately I can watch The Big Bang Theory on TBS on Sunday evenings while The Golden Girls is on TV Land, and then when The King of Queens starts up at 11 p.m., I can switch over to Hallmark Channel and watch Frasier, a show I have slowly been developing an appreciation for (and probably one the young jerks who run TV Land would never want).

Even though Everybody Loves Raymond is not that old of a show, it seems to have been made in the style of older shows. I think that's why so many stars of old classic TV shows who came on the talk shows in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when asked what their favorite current show was, said the only current show they watched was Everybody Loves Raymond. Many of those same TV stars now say they watch The Big Bang Theory, which is also the only current show I like. And The Golden Girls seems to be the opposite, having appeal to younger viewers for some reason--perhaps due to the influence of Marc Cherry, or having fast-paced cheap jokes instead of building a plot to support the humor, which is the trademark of the classic TV shows I love.

The King of Queens and Friends run on so many other networks with greater appeal to younger viewers like TBS--couldn't the young execs who don't "get" the shows older viewers like me like have kept their greedy clutches off TV Land?

mets82

10-21-2013, 03:33 PM

I think a problem with TV Land and tv in general is stuff that we've covered before. I mean, first off, way too much of one show. Even if your a fan of one show are you going to sit and watch it for 4 hrs. or 5 hrs. or even 8 hrs. a day?

Second, something we've mentioned forever. The damn end credit crunch. People including yours truly, hate it and it continues and I think turns a lot of people off.

Third, is probably the same as number 2 but the editing of shows and going to commericals at the wrong times etc. has got to stop. I know its a turnoff for me.

Yes, I watch TVLand but what are you going to do? Why cant they get it through there thick heads that we, the tv viewer, do not like any of that stuff?

TVFactFan

10-21-2013, 06:46 PM

People are still complaining about TV Land in 2013 when we have all the things below that we didn't 10 years ago?

Facebook
Youtube
Hub TV channel
TV one
Antenna TV
Me-TV
Centric

TV Land in 2013 no longer matters

loaferman

10-22-2013, 08:57 AM

jonathan c herron

10-23-2013, 05:56 AM

thanks for the update
but i dont watch tv land any more
i hate tv land now
tv land was good at the start but now it stinks
no retro commercials
newer shows 90"s
that was to be for old 50's 60's 70's and 80's shows

my thought on tv land
get me out of tv land

jonathan c herron

10-23-2013, 05:59 AM

they screwed it up just like they did nick at night

i am so think full we have METV and rertotv
they are more like what tv land was back in the good old days

RobbieG

10-25-2013, 10:02 AM

Well, that didn't last long. I noticed this week the morning block of Murder, She Wrote, The Dick Van Dyke Show, and I Love Lucy has been replaced with a huge morning block of The Andy Griffith Show (in addition to the huge evening block from 6 to 9 or so). TAGS is one show I never seem to tire of, so I don't mind the change too much, but still: How long were Murder, She Wrote, The Dick Van Dyke Show, and I Love Lucy on TV Land this time? Two or three weeks?

"Here at TV Land, we pride ourselves on changing the schedule at a moment's notice to keep our viewers in a state of constant confusion."

All the earlier criticisms are valid. I hate the closing credit crunch; even if I can see the tiny names, they fly by so fast it's almost impossible to catch anything. I'm surprised the Writers, Directors, and Actors Guilds have not tried to fight this. I never care about the promo being shown in the main part of the screen and I don't think those promos are so vital to the network's success that they warrant crunching the credits.

But I maintain the biggest problem is still the erratic schedule. When they first added Friends at 10 p.m., they added a second hour of Everybody Loves Raymond in the overnight hours--perhaps to make up for the lost hour at 10 p.m. So I was settling into watching Raymond at 2 a.m. Except some nights it was 1:43 a.m. Wednesday nights it didn't air at all--I guess Friends aired in that slot to make up for the lost Friends hour at 10 p.m. due to the original programming on Wednesdays at 10 p.m. Last night Raymond started at 1:24 a.m.

Usually the prime time Raymond episodes start at 9 p.m., but I noticed last night it aired at 8:48 p.m. or so.

I was having trouble keeping up with That '70s Show on the weekends because the late night times kept changing. Sometimes it was 1:30 a.m., sometimes it was 2:20 a.m. I looked ahead and noticed the late Saturday night block is now gone, although there is still a late Sunday night block at 3:30 a.m.

It looks like they are starting to air That '70s Show late at night on weeknights again, although Monday night it is at 4:21 a.m. and Tuesday night it is at 4:24 a.m.

I guess TV Land programmers think the viewers DVR these shows. Maybe they do; I don't know. I tend to think that fans of older TV (not that Raymond or That '70s Show are that old, but the point applies generally to most of the shows on TV Land, including the true classics) still prefer to watch syndicated TV live the way I do. I might DVR new TV shows, but not older syndicated ones. For people like me who prefer to watch TV live, it is difficult to settle into a pattern of watching anything on TV Land on a consistent basis because often the shows do not air at the same time every night. Also, the schedule keeps changing. Most networks change their schedule from time to time but I have never seen a network change their schedule as much as TV Land does.

Hallmark Channel censors their shows, but at least I know Frasier starts at 10 p.m., which gives me something to watch while TV Land is airing Friends. It doesn't start at 10 p.m. only on Mondays and Thursdays and at 9:47 p.m. on Tuesdays and is preempted on Wednesdays and Fridays (which is how TV Land might do it); it starts reliably at 10 p.m. every weeknight. Viewers can count on I Love Lucy starting at 5 a.m. every day.

Of course, MeTV, Antenna TV, THIS TV, and Retro TV provide classic programming at reliable times the way TV Land used to. My problem is that I am usually recording something from the cable box, and I cannot tune these channels using my ancient analog TV, so I end up watching Hallmark, TV Land, or Nick at Night because these channels are provided unscrambled through our cable company's basic coax feed, so I can tune these using my old analog TV's tuner.

TVFactFan

10-25-2013, 01:23 PM

clj2

10-27-2013, 07:39 PM

TV Land is adding 30 Rock effective tomorrow night, at 11pm.

TVFactFan

10-27-2013, 07:42 PM

TV Land is adding 30 Rock effective tomorrow night, at 11pm.

And this is supposed to be exciting news?

clj2

10-27-2013, 08:40 PM

I'm neutral, just thought I'd throw it out there. I don't think it'll work.

Mr. Television

10-27-2013, 10:18 PM

I'd rather it was 3rd Rock.

Pavan

10-28-2013, 12:29 AM

They aired 3rd Rock already

clj2

10-28-2013, 04:26 PM

3rd Rock aired around 2007-2009, but it'd be nice to see again, especially since they're airing The Exes.

EmoJoe

10-29-2013, 12:03 AM

I had no idea TV Land was getting *that* modern. But yay, more 30 Rock!

RobbieG

10-30-2013, 09:22 PM

TVFactFan

10-30-2013, 10:16 PM

TV Land gets worst every year just like ESPN

EmoJoe

10-31-2013, 12:01 AM

I see TV Land moved Hot in Cleveland and The Exes on Wednesdays from 10 p.m. to 9 p.m., so Everybody Loves Raymond gets preempted instead of Friends. The network is fast turning its back on shows I love like Everybody Loves Raymond.

They cut Raymond, a show I love, back to 2 episodes during prime time (and none on Wednesdays) to make room for Friends, but continue to show four episodes of The King of Queens, a show I hate, every night. Whoever programs this network truly has completely different interests in TV shows than what I have.

It's amazing how many shows from the 90s or later are now on TV Land: Raymond (the only one I like), Friends (which I don't get), The King of Queens (which I hate), and now 30 Rock (which I also don't get because they talk too fast). Most of these shows already air on multiple other networks, with the exception of Raymond, which AFAIK only airs on one other channel, TBS. What's next? The New Adventures of Old Christine, another show already airing on multiple other networks?

This network truly sucks. Thank goodness Antenna TV is adding some new classic sitcoms at night like Bewitched and I Dream of Jeannie. Sooner or later I will have to get a TV with a digital tuner...
Do you expect the network to only air shows you like? Obviously King of Queens is doing well for them, and Friends is one of the biggest shows of all-time, so it seems pretty understandable that TV Land would want to air them a lot. They can't only cater to your personal tastes...

I just don't get the intense anger some spew out at cable networks sometimes just because they're not exclusively airing their favorite shows. Luckily we live in the digital age where you could literally watch anything you want at any time!

jonathan c herron

10-31-2013, 12:46 AM

Mr. Television

10-31-2013, 09:49 AM

jonathan c herron

10-31-2013, 10:01 AM

What I get angry about is tv channels changing what they originally were made for. In TV Land's case it is classic tv. Most of the shows they picked up are airing on local channels or other cable channels or have done so for years.
King of Queens was shown on our local channel for a while now

i was watching some of my old tapes and found a lot of old tv land i tapes back in the good old days
and the old retro commercials if i had cable i would not even wast tape on tv land now
i got a big satellite back when it first came out just so i could watch tv land
i was hook from day one
so much for the good old day but they live on in my tapes

Mr. Television

10-31-2013, 10:15 AM

At least if they're going to pick up shows from the 90's or later then pick up some shows that haven't been rerunned to death. lol

EmoJoe

10-31-2013, 04:12 PM

What I get angry about is tv channels changing what they originally were made for. In TV Land's case it is classic tv. Most of the shows they picked up are airing on local channels or other cable channels or have done so for years.

I agree that it's a shame that TV Land has abandoned their classic TV model, but that's been in effect for at least 3-4 years now...it's not exactly a new thing. They seem to be aiming for a WGN-like schedule, with popular shows from both yesterday and today.

It seems like cable channels in general are less niche and specialized than they used to be. Maybe it's not sustainable for them to be that way, I don't know.

Mr. Television

10-31-2013, 06:06 PM

At least if they're going to pick up shows from the 90's or later then pick up some shows that haven't been rerunned to death. lol
Here's some 90's sitcoms that haven't been seen very much lately in syndication.

Blossom
Coach
Dave's World
Dinosaurs
Doogie Howser
Drew Carey Show
Empty Nest
Evening Shade
Grace Under Fire
Hangin' with Mr. Cooper
Herman's Head
Major Dad
Murphy Brown
Newsradio
Norm
Nurses
Parker Lewis Can't lose
Roc
3rd Rock from the Sun
Two Guys and a Girl
Unhappily Ever After
Wonder Years

TVFactFan

10-31-2013, 07:37 PM

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 08:49 PM

Do you expect the network to only air shows you like? Obviously King of Queens is doing well for them, and Friends is one of the biggest shows of all-time, so it seems pretty understandable that TV Land would want to air them a lot. They can't only cater to your personal tastes...

No, I don't expect them to air only the shows I like. But as I've said before, I think the network programs what the executives and employees want to see, rather than what the viewers want. If they cared about what the viewers wanted, they would still be showing more classic shows. I don't believe the changes are "financially necessary," else MeTV, Antenna TV, etc. would not be doing well. I believe new executives come into a company and make lots of changes because they want to "make their own mark" on the company. If that isn't ego, I don't know what is.

I was lamenting the fact that the show I like and the shows the TV Land employees like seem to be practically mutually exclusive. I don't expect them to air only the shows I like, but they seem to be moving to airing NO shows that I like.

I really don't know that King of Queens is "doing well for them." People quote a lot of ratings, but I find them suspect; as I said, I think the network airs the shows their executives and programmers like, regardless of what is "doing well for them." I can remember when an NBC executive was quoted as saying "We've got to save Just Shoot Me" which made it clear the longevity of the show on NBC was more about it being a personal pet of the executives than it was about it "doing well for them."

So I don't think it's "obvious" that King of Queens is "doing well for them." I suspect that people who say a show is "doing well" for a network do so because THEY like the show, not because the show's ratings are actually all that good.

I think the TV Land execs have a bias against Raymond and so that show takes the hit at every opportunity. I think if we could get honest ratings we would find that Raymond was "doing very well for them," but the programmers at the network are younger and want to flood the network with modern shows THEY like. Plus, there have been plenty of shows in the past that were quoted as "doing well" for TV Land yet the network still dropped the shows inexplicably, so I have lots of reasons to be suspicious of "doing well" claims.

My problems with TV Land extend well past them moving to airing hardly any shows that I like. What kind of moron airs shows at inconstant times from night to night? A TV Land programmer.

I agree with the post that TV Land is moving toward becoming another WGN. The problem is that we don't really need another WGN.

I just don't get the intense anger some spew out at cable networks sometimes just because they're not exclusively airing their favorite shows. Luckily we live in the digital age where you could literally watch anything you want at any time!

Actually, Everybody Loves Raymond currently airs in my area only on TV Land and maybe a half hour on TBS. The Andy Griffith Show airs only on TV Land. So if TV Land drops these shows, I cannot watch them "at any time." But I could sure watch plenty of Friends and King of Queens on TBS and other channels, so I don't see the need for these shows to be flooded on TV Land as well.

My anger is directed more toward the idiocy of the network's erratic schedule. But I certainly have a right to say what shows I would prefer to see on it, in order to try to influence the network's programming. I'm guessing the reason you're so at ease about the changes is because you like the direction in which they're moving. It's easy to be cavalier about it when it's doing what YOU like. I suspect you'd be doing some ranting if the shows you like disappeared from the air waves, so I think there's some hypocrisy there. At any rate, TV Land was originally for classic TV, and all these modern shows you like are airing on plenty of other channels, so for you to champion the disappearance of classic TV from TV Land seems selfish.

I Love Lucy is often rated as the #1 sitcoms of all time--sorry, your Friends usually comes in at #3 or #4--yet the network still continues to drop it over and over. So again I say the popularity of a show with the general public does not seem to be the primary consideration for their scheduling decisions.

TVFactFan

11-01-2013, 08:52 PM

No, I don't expect them to air only the shows I like. But as I've said before, I think the network programs what the executives and employees want to see, rather than what the viewers want. If they cared about what the viewers wanted, they would still be showing more classic shows. I don't believe the changes are "financially necessary," else MeTV, Antenna TV, etc. would not be doing well. I believe new executives come into a company and make lots of changes because they want to "make their own mark" on the company. If that isn't ego, I don't know what is.

I was lamenting the fact that the show I like and the shows the TV Land employees like seem to be practically mutually exclusive. I don't expect them to air only the shows I like, but they seem to be moving to airing NO shows that I like.

I really don't know that King of Queens is "doing well for them." People quote a lot of ratings, but I find them suspect; as I said, I think the network airs the shows their executives and programmers like, regardless of what is "doing well for them." I can remember when an NBC executive was quoted as saying "We've got to save Just Shoot Me" which made it clear the longevity of the show on NBC was more about it being a personal pet of the executives than it was about it "doing well for them."

So I don't think it's "obvious" that King of Queens is "doing well for them." I suspect that people who say a show is "doing well" for a network do so because THEY like the show, not because the show's ratings are actually all that good.

I think the TV Land execs have a bias against Raymond and so that show takes the hit at every opportunity. I think if we could get honest ratings we would find that Raymond was "doing very well for them," but the programmers at the network are younger and want to flood the network with modern shows THEY like. Plus, there have been plenty of shows in the past that were quoted as "doing well" for TV Land yet the network still dropped the shows inexplicably, so I have lots of reasons to be suspicious of "doing well" claims.

My problems with TV Land extend well past them moving to airing hardly any shows that I like. What kind of moron airs shows at inconstant times from night to night? A TV Land programmer.

I agree with the post that TV Land is moving toward becoming another WGN. The problem is that we don't really need another WGN.

Actually, Everybody Loves Raymond currently airs in my area only on TV Land and maybe a half hour on TBS. The Andy Griffith Show airs only on TV Land. So if TV Land drops these shows, I cannot watch them "at any time." But I could sure watch plenty of Friends and King of Queens on TBS and other channels, so I don't see the need for these shows to be flooded on TV Land as well.

My anger is directed more toward the idiocy of the network's erratic schedule. But I certainly have a right to say what shows I would prefer to see on it, in order to try to influence the network's programming. I'm guessing the reason you're so at ease about the changes is because you like the direction in which they're moving.

I Love Lucy is often rated as the #1 sitcoms of all time--sorry, your Friends usually comes in at #3 or #4--yet the network still continues to drop it over and over. So again I say the popularity of a show with the general public does not seem to be the primary consideration for their scheduling decisions.

i still want to know why you are complaining about TV Land in 2013:lol:

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 09:12 PM

i still want to know why you are complaining about TV Land in 2013:lol:

I keep (naively) hoping TV Land will bring back more classic TV if enough of us classic TV fans complain. :)

As I said before, I don't have HDTVs and I'm usually recording something off the cable boxes, so I really only watch live what I can tune with my ancient picture tube TVs which do not have digital tuners. So I usually cannot watch MeTV, Antenna TV, etc. live because they require a digital tuner in my area as they are carried on digital sub channels.

I think you said in an earlier post that I need to get new TVs, and I agree, but it's not so easy for me to do so. I can afford new TVs, but I am physically disabled and cannot carry the old 27" picture tube TVs out by myself (although I was able to carry them in by myself in 1999 before my disability, when I was much stronger). I don't know anyone to help carry them out for me, either. Eventually I am sure I will upgrade to new TVs somehow, but I'm just saying it's not as easy for me to do so as it once was. So I keep falling back on watching TV Land and Hallmark because I can watch them on my analog TV, although our local cable company is rapidly removing analog channels to make more room for Internet bandwidth...

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 09:31 PM

In general I think the new TAGS syndication package airing on TV Land is worse. Many of the tags are now cut, which often contain some of the funniest segments, such as Barney singing about "Pistol Packin' Barney Fife" over the phone to Juanita at the end of "Crime Free Mayberry." And the new package drops the tag to the first episode with the "Fun Girls," "Barney Mends a Broken Heart"--and this tag is apparently cut even on the DVD release, so it used to be that TV Land was the only place you could see it.

But they have added back in some scenes that are interesting. Tonight I watched "Barney's Physical." The old syndication package version began the scene with the party with Opie running in and saying Barney was coming (I think this is where the syndication cut began). Barney comes in and Floyd says something like "Where were you on Monday?" and makes a snipping motion. Barney says "What?" I had been wondering if McNear flubbed this line because he was still recovering from his stroke and Don Knotts just said "What?" because he was unprepared for what McNear said and the editors just decided to leave it in because in the chaos of everyone congratulating Barney it wasn't that noticeable.

But watching the episode tonight, they had added back in some of the beginning of that scene, with Aunt Bee bringing in the cake (and we can see the decoration on top of the cake, which I don't believe I've ever seen before), and Floyd is leaning against the wall and talking about Barney missing his Monday haircut--which explains why Floyd says what he says to Barney about missing him on Monday.

Syndication cuts--even when they cut out minor scenes--often interrupt the smoothness of a TV show, giving the storyline a choppy feeling. But sometimes the cuts mess up the logic of a storyline as well. Sometimes the cuts make the dialogue choppy because a single line of dialogue in a conversation is cut. Sometimes a character says something not meant to be funny and when the next character says his line there is laughter at the beginning, because the humorous line of dialogue just before it has been cut, but the trailing laughter is left in because it overlays the next line of dialogue. It's really unfortunate how bad the syndication cuts have become.

TVFactFan

11-01-2013, 09:37 PM

I keep (naively) hoping TV Land will bring back more classic TV if enough of us classic TV fans complain. :)

As I said before, I don't have HDTVs and I'm usually recording something off the cable boxes, so I really only watch live what I can tune with my ancient picture tube TVs which do not have digital tuners. So I usually cannot watch MeTV, Antenna TV, etc. live because they require a digital tuner in my area as they are carried on digital sub channels.

I think you said in an earlier post that I need to get new TVs, and I agree, but it's not so easy for me to do so. I can afford new TVs, but I am physically disabled and cannot carry the old 27" picture tube TVs out by myself (although I was able to carry them in by myself in 1999 before my disability, when I was much stronger). I don't know anyone to help carry them out for me, either. Eventually I am sure I will upgrade to new TVs somehow, but I'm just saying it's not as easy for me to do so as it once was. So I keep falling back on watching TV Land and Hallmark because I can watch them on my analog TV, although our local cable company is rapidly removing analog channels to make more room for Internet bandwidth...

But you do have youtube right??? lol

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 09:40 PM

But you do have youtube right??? lol

I do, but it's hard for me to watch videos for any length of time at the computer due to neck problems. Plus I don't like watching them on a tiny computer screen.

Are entire episodes of classic TV shows available on YouTube? I didn't know that...

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 09:52 PM

What I get angry about is tv channels changing what they originally were made for. In TV Land's case it is classic tv. Most of the shows they picked up are airing on local channels or other cable channels or have done so for years.

It's happened to a number of channels.

Animal Planet used to show animal documentaries but included a few old TV shows like Gentle Ben and Flipper overnight.

Disney Channel used to show a classic Disney movie and a few classic TV shows like Spin & Marty overnight.

Many of these channels used to strike a balance, and became successful doing so. I used to think when they changed their formats it was due to market demands, but a friend of mine said he believes what happens is that younger execs come in and want to make their own mark ("or rebrand") the channel to enhance their own careers (they can put the changes they made on their resume), and plus being younger they don't like the old classic stuff anyway, so they dump it. In doing so, these younger execs often abandon what made the network successful in the first place.

Increasingly I have come to believe my friend is correct, especially after hearing a former TV Land exec say that many of the changes were due to the network bring in younger execs.

jonathan c herron

11-01-2013, 09:54 PM

It's happened to a number of channels.

Animal Planet used to show animal documentaries but included a few old TV shows like Gentle Ben and Flipper overnight.

Disney Channel used to show a classic Disney movie and a few classic TV shows like Spin & Marty overnight.

Many of these channels used to strike a balance, and became successful doing so. I used to think when they changed their formats it was due to market demands, but a friend of mine said he believes what happens is that younger execs come in and want to make their own mark ("or rebrand") the channel to enhance their own careers (they can put the changes they made on their resume), and plus being younger they don't like the old classic stuff anyway, so they dump it. In doing so, these younger execs often abandon what made the network successful in the first place.

Increasingly I have come to believe my friend is correct, especially after hearing a former TV Land exec say that many of the changes were due to the network bring in younger execs.
dont forget FX at one time they showed all classic shows and live shows
till they changed there format

TVFactFan

11-01-2013, 10:04 PM

I do, but it's hard for me to watch videos for any length of time at the computer due to neck problems. Plus I don't like watching them on a tiny computer screen.

Are entire episodes of classic TV shows available on YouTube? I didn't know that...

Most shows you can just put in the search box and they just come up

TVFactFan

11-01-2013, 10:06 PM

The TV land rep said this years ago

"A all classic TV station is not profitable"

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 10:13 PM

The TV land rep said this years ago

"A all classic TV station is not profitable"

I remember that, but I didn't believe him. Supposedly TV Land was losing money for all those years that they showed only classic TV?

Another thing you hear is that advertisers will not pay for ad space on all-classic TV because older viewers are not in the key demographic. Then why did MeTV and MeToo do so well in Chicago that they eventually launched a national MeTV channel? Why did Antenna TV start up? Why did THIS TV start up? Why did Retro TV start up?

Why are commercials airing on these channels? Admittedly, they ARE commercials aimed at older viewers, but apparently there's enough of a market there for the advertisers to air them...

I think it's something they say to justify the changes the young execs make in order to make their own mark on the network, and to remove old "grandpa" shows they personally don't like and bring in "hip modern" shows that the young execs personally DO like...

TVFactFan

11-01-2013, 10:27 PM

I remember that, but I didn't believe him. Supposedly TV Land was losing money for all those years that they showed only classic TV?

Another thing you hear is that advertisers will not pay for ad space on all-classic TV because older viewers are not in the key demographic. Then why did MeTV and MeToo do so well in Chicago that they eventually launched a national MeTV channel? Why did Antenna TV start up? Why did THIS TV start up? Why did Retro TV start up?

Why are commercials airing on these channels? Admittedly, they ARE commercials aimed at older viewers, but apparently there's enough of a market there for the advertisers to air them...

I think it's something they say to justify the changes the young execs make in order to make their own mark on the network, and to remove old "grandpa" shows they personally don't like and bring in "hip modern" shows that the young execs personally DO like...

Because people can watch Antenna TV for free. TV land you have to pay for

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 10:44 PM

Because people can watch Antenna TV for free. TV land you have to pay for

Advertisers are willing to pay for ads on classic TV channels that are free but not on TV Land just because it has revenue coming in from the cable and satellite companies? That doesn't seem to make sense.

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 10:46 PM

Most shows you can just put in the search box and they just come up

Why is it that the studios don't force the content they own to be removed from YouTube?

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 10:55 PM

I agree that it's a shame that TV Land has abandoned their classic TV model, but that's been in effect for at least 3-4 years now...it's not exactly a new thing. They seem to be aiming for a WGN-like schedule, with popular shows from both yesterday and today.

While there has been a general trend in recent years to add modern shows, they still had Leave It to Beaver on as late as last year. They had MASH and Three's Company on until this summer. And they had The Dick Van Dyke Show and I Love Lucy on just a few weeks ago. So there are enough recent changes for viewers to have the right to still complain.

It's not like TV Land went all-modern 3 years ago and so viewers have no right to complain. Of course, fans of the modern shows seem to WANT fans of classic TV to stop trying to get classic TV back on TV Land.

It seems like cable channels in general are less niche and specialized than they used to be. Maybe it's not sustainable for them to be that way, I don't know.

There are still plenty of specialized channels--Lifetime, SyFy, Spike, Animal Planet, Disney, Nick, etc. WGN has always been more generalized.

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 11:27 PM

The TV land rep said this years ago

"A all classic TV station is not profitable"

And a former TV Land exec said years ago that the changes were due to the newer young execs wanting to make a name for themselves. I tend to believe him rather than a TV Land rep who has to cover for their bosses.

TVFactFan

11-01-2013, 11:37 PM

And a former TV Land exec said years ago that the changes were due to the newer young execs wanting to make a name for themselves. I tend to believe him rather than a TV Land rep who has to cover for their bosses.

well that is true, if you are taking over a department or organization you have to make you mark and start a new era otherwise what would be the point of them being hired?

RobbieG

11-01-2013, 11:54 PM

well that is true, if you are taking over a department or organization you have to make you mark and start a new era otherwise what would be the point of them being hired?

Maintain the good work that is already being done.

In my line of work, executives who came in and turned everything on its head just to make a name for themselves and stroke their own huge egos, usually produced disastrous results.

Which is what I think happened with TV Land.

TVFactFan

11-01-2013, 11:57 PM

Maintain the good work that is already being done.

No you have to create your own style of managing when you are the head of anything coming into a new situation

clj2

11-02-2013, 12:08 AM

After watching Andy Griffith and ELR streaming on Netflix I can't stand watching them chopped up on TV Land.

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 12:18 AM

No you have to create your own style of managing when you are the head of anything coming into a new situation

No you don't. That is just egotistical business BS. Changing things all around just because you are in a new situation is stupid and reckless.

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 12:20 AM

After watching Andy Griffith and ELR streaming on Netflix I can't stand watching them chopped up on TV Land.

It is hard watching them chopped up, but I still like watching them live. I guess they are the only two shows left on TV Land I still like to watch.

I was thinking about it--on weekdays now, TV Land only airs three shows made before the 90s--Gunsmoke, Bonanza, and The Andy Griffith Show.

TVFactFan

11-02-2013, 12:24 AM

I don't have TV Land anymore but I see they have a nice Saturday schedule starting from 8am to 4pm which is the Brady Bunch and Cosby Show

EmoJoe

11-02-2013, 12:26 AM

While there has been a general trend in recent years to add modern shows, they still had Leave It to Beaver on as late as last year. They had MASH and Three's Company on until this summer. And they had The Dick Van Dyke Show and I Love Lucy on just a few weeks ago. So there are enough recent changes for viewers to have the right to still complain.

It's not like TV Land went all-modern 3 years ago and so viewers have no right to complain. Of course, fans of the modern shows seem to WANT fans of classic TV to stop trying to get classic TV back on TV Land.

There are still plenty of specialized channels--Lifetime, SyFy, Spike, Animal Planet, Disney, Nick, etc. WGN has always been more generalized.
Sure, there's still around, but look at how many shows have abandoned or cut down on their niche - MTV, VH1, TLC, Discovery Channel, History Channel, ABC Family, Bravo, AMC, ect. (I would argue even Animal Planet is playing fast and loose with the animals theme with their reality shows and whatnot too). The ones that have kept their niche are pretty wide-reaching - TBS "we air comedy!", Lifetime "television for women!", TNT "we air dramas!", and of course the kids' networks because that brand of speciality is always going to be around because you can't except 7 year olds and 35 year olds to have the same taste in television. Nevertheless, it's an interesting trend and it makes me wonder why niche networks don't seem to be as profitable anymore.

Personally? I really don't care what TV Land airs. I just find it funny how people here get outraged at the smallest of schedule changes, as if these cable networks are catering only to them. I get being upset that TV Land isn't airing classics as much as they used to. I don't get complaining about Friends being on too much because you don't like it. TV channels are businesses that have to worry about making money, not your personal tastes. Luckily, we live in an age where you can watch basically any show you want at any time so there's less and less need to rely on them for your television needs. Hence why I don't get *all* of the complaining.

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 12:31 AM

I don't have TV Land anymore but I see they have a nice Saturday schedule starting from 8am to 4pm which is the Brady Bunch and Cosby Show

They've had The Cosby Show on the weekends for a long time now, but it's great to see they've added The Brady Bunch. And they've added a block of The Andy Griffith Show on Saturday, and Raymond gets 6 episodes on Saturday nights!

I guess that may explain why The Brady Bunch got dropped from INSP.

See, TV Land has not given up on classic TV entirely, and as a viewer, I don't plan to give up either. I don't see why viewers shouldn't fight to keep classic TV on TV Land.

Thanks for the good news!

TVFactFan

11-02-2013, 12:41 AM

They've had The Cosby Show on the weekends for a long time now, but it's great to see they've added The Brady Bunch. And they've added a block of The Andy Griffith Show on Saturday, and Raymond gets 6 episodes on Saturday nights!

I guess that may explain why The Brady Bunch got dropped from INSP.

See, TV Land has not given up on classic TV entirely, and as a viewer, I don't plan to give up either. I don't see why viewers shouldn't fight to keep classic TV on TV Land.

Thanks for the good news!

yeah TV Land is basically like 30% classic TV and 70% everything else

I don't think the channel will ever be 0% classic TV

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 12:49 AM

Sure, there's still around, but look at how many shows have abandoned or cut down on their niche - MTV, VH1, TLC, Discovery Channel, History Channel, ABC Family, Bravo, AMC, ect. (I would argue even Animal Planet is playing fast and loose with the animals theme with their reality shows and whatnot too). The ones that have kept their niche are pretty wide-reaching - TBS "we air comedy!", Lifetime "television for women!", TNT "we air dramas!", and of course the kids' networks because that brand of speciality is always going to be around because you can't except 7 year olds and 35 year olds to have the same taste in television. Nevertheless, it's an interesting trend and it makes me wonder why niche networks don't seem to be as profitable anymore.

Personally? I really don't care what TV Land airs. I just find it funny how people here get outraged at the smallest of schedule changes, as if these cable networks are catering only to them. I get being upset that TV Land isn't airing classics as much as they used to. I don't get complaining about Friends being on too much because you don't like it. TV channels are businesses that have to worry about making money, not your personal tastes. Luckily, we live in an age where you can watch basically any show you want at any time so there's less and less need to rely on them for your television needs. Hence why I don't get *all* of the complaining.

Lifetime has always been "Television for women," so that hardly counts as a reduction in speciality. I do agree Animal Planet shows more reality TV but so do they all, and it's still animal-related. I think TBS and TNT are actually more specialized now than they used to be. I don't think it's been proven that niche networks are not profitable anymore; that's just an assumption on your part.

I didn't complain about Friends being on TV Land too much; I complained about TV Land showing deliberate and obvious bias against Everybody Loves Raymond by moving the "originals" block from 10 p.m. to 9 p.m. so that Raymond would be preempted instead of Friends. That originals block has been at 10 p.m. for years, so moving it just when Friends starts airing is quite revealing about the personal biases of the people who work at the network.

These changes are being made not for business reasons but to satisfy the personal biases of the execs and employees of the network. THAT is why I am complaining.

As I said before, you are wrong that I can watch any show at any time. That is a ridiculously FALSE statement. If TV Land drops The Andy Griffith Show, there is no other TV network I can watch it on.

This thread is about TV Land and seemed like a good place for viewers to commiserate about the changes. If you don't care what airs on TV Land, then skip the thread.

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 01:12 AM

Personally? I really don't care what TV Land airs. I just find it funny how people here get outraged at the smallest of schedule changes, as if these cable networks are catering only to them. I get being upset that TV Land isn't airing classics as much as they used to. I don't get complaining about Friends being on too much because you don't like it. TV channels are businesses that have to worry about making money, not your personal tastes. Luckily, we live in an age where you can watch basically any show you want at any time so there's less and less need to rely on them for your television needs. Hence why I don't get *all* of the complaining.

In one of your earlier posts you said "Yay more 30 Rock!" If you can advocate more of a show, I guess I can advocate having less of one, even though that was not really what I was doing, as I explained in my previous post. It seems pretty clear you like a lot of these modern shows and thus it's easy for you to be cavalier about the changes on TV Land.

I would like to watch the following shows again on TV:

What's My Line
Ryan's Hope
Falcon Crest seasons 4+
Mayberry, RFD
Nanny and the Professor

You say I can watch basically any show I want at any time. These shows are not available on DVD, so how can I watch these shows? I can list many, many more...so your statement that I can watch basically any show at any time is false.

EmoJoe

11-02-2013, 01:22 AM

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 01:33 AM

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 01:36 AM

Come on, let's be honest - even if TV Land was airing exclusively classics, they probably wouldn't be airing those shows. I get that you want to see those shows but no TV network is going to air shows that haven't been in syndication in years and make a profit off of them.

Also, as I have said before, I was not so much complaining as I was LAMENTING the fact that TV Land seemed to be favoring shows I don't like and seemed to be cutting shows I do like. Other viewers have posted discontent when TV Land cuts one of their shows; some have posted what they would like the lineup to be. I don't always agree with their choices but I never said they had no right to do so. This just seemed like a good place to vent and commiserate.

You say you find it funny when people in these forums get outraged--as I said before, I was not angry so much as I was lamenting. I was not "outraged" about the network moving toward shows I hate and away from shows I like. I have more anger about the fact that the changes are probably due to the personal biases of the employees rather than due to business decisions, and I have more anger about the inconsistency of their schedules.

But can you point to other posts of yours where you've cut these "outraged" people down the way you have me? Or could it be you're targeting me because the shows I am sorry the network is favoring are ones you really like, and that angers you, that someone might not like all the "great" shows you like? It seems to me you like most of these modern shows so maybe all your "outrage" at the "outrage" is more personal than you would like us to believe. You say I cannot expect the network to cater to my tastes (which true enough, although I never had any such expectation). But you cannot expect my lamentation to conform to YOUR tastes, either. Who are you to be telling people what they can talk about?

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 01:40 AM

yeah TV Land is basically like 30% classic TV and 70% everything else

I don't think the channel will ever be 0% classic TV

I hope you're right that it's never 0%. I wish it were 70% classic and 30% everything else. I didn't mind it at first when they started adding modern shows, because some change is good for the network, whether it's cycling in some modern shows or even changing the classic ones they show. When I began getting disappointed is when it looked like they were moving to the point that there might not be ANY shows left I liked.

EmoJoe

11-02-2013, 02:53 AM

RobbieG

11-02-2013, 03:52 PM

lol. You're taking this more seriously than I am. I don't care how you feel about shows that I like. I rarely watch TV Land as it is, and if they stopped airing 30 Rock it would have very little effect on my life, I have the whole thing on DVD anyway. I don't care how you feel about their line-up. I'm just saying, why waste your time getting angry over something you can't control? But if you want to, then go ahead. You have every right to!

Thank you! But as I said, I was not so much angry as I was disappointed. Not the same thing. I think I did say "TV Land Sucks!" which I have generally avoided saying, but I decided to throw it in to join in the chanting of that phrase by others in this thread, not because I am really angry.

I saw this post in the "TV Land R.I.P." thread in these forums:

I would love for the tv land channel to be finished one day LOL That would be beautiful

That certainly seems harsher than anything I have said--all I said was I was disappointed that they seem to have a bias against shows I like such as ELR and that I didn't understand them adding shows that already air on so many other networks. Someone else in this thread said essentially the same:

What I get angry about is tv channels changing what they originally were made for. In TV Land's case it is classic tv. Most of the shows they picked up are airing on local channels or other cable channels or have done so for years.

And others have posted entire lists of what they think the lineup should be. Yet I am the only one you accuse of "outrage" and of expecting TV Land to "cater to my personal tastes"--an accusation that is untrue and was made without foundation. My tastes in TV has always on the "road less traveled" so I have low expectations that a network will have lots of programming I will enjoy, but I was disappointed that the few shows I did like seem to be getting pushed out.

I don't think it's unusual or abnormal to express disappointment when a network you like drops the shows you like. I'm glad I found this thread in which to vent. I don't try to vent in the TV Land forums because I heard they got so many posts with negative comments at one time that they shut down the message board. I don't know if it ever came back, but the fact that TV Land got so many negative comments, and the fact they shut the boards down, says something about the people who work at the company, and perhaps their willingness to suppress dissent supports my conjecture that the programming is more about what the employees there want than what is a good business model or what the viewers want.

Venting has been somewhat cathartic for me, as it probably has been for others in the forums as well. It's not about getting the network to change--which is why I say the accusation that I expect the network to cater to my tastes is untrue--it's just about commiseration.

If you don't care what TV Land airs and you already have all of 30 Rock on DVD, then why say "yay more 30 Rock" when you hear it has been added to TV Land? I guess, even when you can "basically watch any show you want at any time," you can still express positive or negative comments about a show a network has chosen to air. At least, you did. And that's what I did.

RobbieG

11-03-2013, 07:12 PM

I see Friends is not airing this week at 10 p.m. on TV Land; they have gone back to airing four episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond from 9 to 11 p.m. Although I am not broken up about it, contrary to some interpretations of what I have said previously, I was not campaigning to see Friends removed entirely from the network. I was lamenting what appeared to be deliberate manipulation against ELR by moving the originals block up to 9 p.m. all of a sudden so that no ELR aired at all on Wednesday nights.

If TV Land was airing Friends because it's one of the most popular shows of all time (which I agree it is) and it's a good business model (which it might be), why have they removed it? This seems to support my conjecture that it is not the popularity of a show, or good business practices, which guide their decision making.

This does support my biggest complaint about the network which is the erraticism of their schedule. If they removed Friends because it "wasn't doing well"--well, they hardly gave it time to catch on with viewers! Much like airing 'Til Death for only two weeks before pulling it.

I did wonder why TV Land was airing Friends when so many other networks, including sister network Nick at Night, were airing it. I understand the argument that if something is popular they might want to air it on TV Land too, but if the show is already airing on many other networks, it might be hard for TV Land to take some of that audience away from those other networks. As Captain Kirk said in "The Trouble with Tribbles," "too much of anything...isn't necessarily a good thing." And that extends to huge blocks of shows I like as well, so I'm not being hypocritical about it.

I agree with the earlier poster who said if they're going to add modern shows they could at least try to find some not airing a lot already on competing networks.

TVFactFan

11-03-2013, 07:49 PM

RobbieG

11-03-2013, 08:08 PM

I think it's called keeping up with the times. for example, in 10 years TV Land will probably be airing tv shows that started on network during 05-12 and after since they are currently airing shows from the 93-00 era.

Actually, they are already airing a show from the 05-12 era: 30 Rock.

But if they're keeping up with the times, why did they drop Friends, which is in the 93-00 era?

TVFactFan

11-03-2013, 08:17 PM

Actually, they are already airing a show from the 05-12 era: 30 Rock.

But if they're keeping up with the times, why did they drop Friends, which is in the 93-00 era?

Maybe TV Land considers it too old and want to focus on shows from 2000 and after

RobbieG

11-03-2013, 08:35 PM

Maybe TV Land considers it too old and want to focus on shows from 2000 and after

:D

James28

11-03-2013, 08:44 PM

TV Land is so dysfunctional, what is wrong with that cable channel? Even if I was a fan of 30 Rock, I wouldn't watch it on TV Land; should have waited until 2018 to put it on their cable channel.

EmoJoe

11-03-2013, 10:26 PM

Didn't TV Land air Scrubs while it was still on the air? I'd say any notion of them being a classic TV only network went out the window when that happened.

RobbieG

11-04-2013, 01:27 AM

Didn't TV Land air Scrubs while it was still on the air? I'd say any notion of them being a classic TV only network went out the window when that happened.

It did, but "coincidentally" Scrubs had already won an award at the TV Land Awards, like "Future Classic" or something. Methinks this was another pet show of a TV Land executive...

mets82

11-05-2013, 03:31 PM

The ironic thing is that TV Land's schedule is better than it was. You have newer shows like Raymond, The Exes, King of Queens, etc. and you have older shows like Andy Griffith, The Cosby Show, Roseanne, Murder She Wrote.

Again, the problem is that there are wayy too many commericals and edits. If they eliminated those problems as well as the end credit crunch, thats most of the battle right there.

TVFactFan

11-05-2013, 09:33 PM

tooltime1996

11-10-2013, 03:01 PM

I am glad that TV Land brought back I Love Lucy, Brady Bunch, ETC I hope they will bring back more old shows like Three's Company, Home Improvement, ETC.

Nyan

11-10-2013, 05:29 PM

TV Land is pretty much dead because of streaming and over the air. The era of the cash/barter heavily edited and out of order reruns is dead as well.

EmoJoe

11-11-2013, 03:07 AM

TV Land is pretty much dead because of streaming and over the air. The era of the cash/barter heavily edited and out of order reruns is dead as well.
Yeah, there just isn't much of a reason to watch a classic TV network like TV Land anymore when most of the shows they air are easily available on DVD/streaming services without horrible edits and ridiculous amounts of commercials. If they were airing more obscure classics, it'd be a different story. But a network like that would just never be profitable, unfortunately.

TVFactFan

11-11-2013, 02:06 PM

TV Land is pretty much dead because of streaming and over the air. The era of the cash/barter heavily edited and out of order reruns is dead as well.

TV Land has been half dead since 2004

tlc38tlc38

11-11-2013, 02:42 PM

I don't even know why they bother making a schedule anymore because it seems the only 3 shows they air are "Bonanza", "Gunsmoke", and "The Andy Griffith Show". Poor, pathetic excuse of what once used to be an awesome channel.

RobbieG

11-11-2013, 08:36 PM

I was watching The Andy Griffith Show tonight, the third episode with the "fun girls." Barney was trying to apologize to Thelma Lou, and she says something to the effect of "if you tell me something, I'll believe it." Barney says "OK, I'm telling you she forced herself on me."

Thelma Lou is supposed to say "That's a lie!" which is very funny juxtaposed against her previous statement, but that line is cut, along with several others, skipping to the last two lines of the scene where they have made up. It's sad to see so many humorous moments eliminated.

But MeTV and Antenna TV have their edits, too. On Antenna TV, they aired the episode of Bewitched last week in which the welcoming committee comes to welcome the Stephens to the neighborhood (and really, to snoop). There is supposed to be a scene in which, after the three kids are untied, Gladys calls Abner on a phone that Endora magically activated earlier. Gladys, not knowing the phone isn't supposed to be working, calls Abner to tell him about finding 3 kids tied up ("after two have been tied up, who tied up the 3rd?").

When leaving the house, Gladys lets in the telephone technician into the house and he tells her he's there to hook up the phones. After leaving the house, Gladys exclaims to the camera, "To hook up your telephone?!?!?"

On Antenna TV, the scene in which Gladys uses the phone to call Abner is cut, but her comments after leaving the house are not. Without the scene in which she talks on the phone, her comments after leaving the house (her shock that the phone was not hooked up) makes no sense...

TVFactFan

11-11-2013, 09:23 PM

RobbieG

11-13-2013, 12:31 AM

Wow, not only did the 10-11 p.m. block of Friends disappear from TV Land last week, but the 11 p.m. and 2 a.m. showings of 30 Rock have disappeared this week as well. Everybody Loves Raymond (a show I like a lot) reclaimed the 10-11 slot and got the 11-11:30 slot as well, so now it's airing from 9 to 11:30.

I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't like Friends or 30 Rock. But I don't think TV Land had them only long enough to give them a chance to catch hold. They were just running ads for 30 Rock last week!

I maintain it is the schedule irregularities, not the syndication edits or the credit crunches, that are TV Land's biggest problem--because, as TVFactFan mentioned, most cable stations have syndication edits. And most cable stations have credit crunches as well--with some admirable exceptions, like TVOne, where I can still watch The Jeffersons and Good Times with full-screen closing credits.

Even the unusual start times for some shows isn't TV Land's biggest problem. It is their too-frequent schedule changes, and inconsistent start times for some shows, because viewers cannot settle into a routine for most shows on this network.

I could get used to the Andy block starting at 5:45 each night--if it were the same time every night. But when it's 5:45 one night and 5:57 the next, it's hard to get used to a regular schedule. And when I'm just getting used to a show, they yank it off the schedule--well, how can anyone settle into a routine?

Maybe they are expecting us to DVR these shows, but most older fans of the older shows like myself are not going to DVR these shows. Older fans tend to still like watching live TV, and TV Land's inconsistent schedules make it hard to get into a routine.

Younger fans are more willing to DVR but why should they DVR the shows on TV Land when they don't mind watching them on DVD or streaming.

TVFactFan

11-13-2013, 01:37 AM

EmoJoe

11-13-2013, 10:57 PM

TVFactFan

11-14-2013, 12:41 AM

EmoJoe

11-14-2013, 02:14 PM

Friends is one of the most popular shows of the last 30 years. If TV Land can't get it to perform well, then that's pretty sad for them.

Buffyboy323

11-14-2013, 08:51 PM

Friends is one of the most popular shows of the last 30 years. If TV Land can't get it to perform well, then that's pretty sad for them.
The problem is that TV Land basically airs four episodes of Friends an hour after Nick at Nite finished up a block of its own. If Friends only aired on TV Land, it would be a big hit for them.

This is equally as bad as Nick at Nite and TV Land airing Roseanne and The Nanny...at the same time!

TVFactFan

11-14-2013, 08:57 PM

Yeah I agree, Friends is already being shown on Nick so it's no reason to watch it on TV Land

Obviously the show is doing well on Nick which is why it has not been removed

RobbieG

11-24-2013, 07:44 AM

Haha wow...I can't believe 30 Rock is gone already. I didn't expect it to last long, but a week?

And seriously, if you can't make Friends work, then the problem might be on you, TV Land. I mean, it's Friends!

Just because you, and perhaps most TV viewers, like those shows doesn't mean everybody does. It may be that the primary TV Land viewing audience didn't like Friends or 30 Rock any more than I did. Which answers your previous question of "Why shouldn't TV Land show Friends?" Maybe because the viewing audience for this network has different tastes than you (and, admittedly, much of the population). The viewing audience TV Land has cultivated has been for classic TV in the past, and that audience may not like Friends or 30 Rock any more than I do.

RobbieG

11-24-2013, 07:46 AM

Friends is one of the most popular shows of the last 30 years. If TV Land can't get it to perform well, then that's pretty sad for them.

Not sad...they just listened to their viewers who, like me, don't like these shows. The viewing audience for TV Land may not have the same tastes as the general population.

Yay! No more Friends or 30 Rock!

RobbieG

11-24-2013, 07:48 AM

Yeah I agree, Friends is already being shown on Nick so it's no reason to watch it on TV Land

Obviously the show is doing well on Nick which is why it has not been removed

I think the viewing audience for TV Land is a little different that the audience for Nick@Nite. Nick@Nite seems to have cultivated a audience of younger viewers.

But I agree, there's another good answer to the question "Why shouldn't TV Land show Friends?" Because it's already being shown on Nick@Nite.

RobbieG

11-24-2013, 07:55 AM

Haha wow...I can't believe 30 Rock is gone already. I didn't expect it to last long, but a week?

And seriously, if you can't make Friends work, then the problem might be on you, TV Land. I mean, it's Friends!

And gee, I can't understand *all* the complaining every time the network makes the slightest change. The network can't accommodate your personal tastes; they listen to the tastes of their primary viewing audience.

Wonder where I heard those words before?

RobbieG

11-24-2013, 07:56 AM

Friends is one of the most popular shows of the last 30 years. If TV Land can't get it to perform well, then that's pretty sad for them.

And gee, I can't understand *all* the complaining every time the network makes the slightest change. The network can't accommodate your personal tastes; they listen to the tastes of their primary viewing audience.

Wonder where I heard those words before?

TVFactFan

11-24-2013, 01:17 PM

And gee, I can't understand *all* the complaining every time the network makes the slightest change. The network can't accommodate your personal tastes; they listen to the tastes of their primary viewing audience.

Wonder where I heard those words before?

I don't think anyone expects a tv channel to show everything they like. The problem with TV Land is they either did 2 things

1. show what you like during bad time slots

2. show what you don't like during good time slots

:lol: :lol:

RobbieG

11-24-2013, 03:23 PM

I don't think anyone expects a tv channel to show everything they like. The problem with TV Land is they either did 2 things

1. show what you like during bad time slots

2. show what you don't like during good time slots

:lol: :lol:

I know I never said I expected them to show everything I liked, even though I was accused of that. :rolleyes:

TVFactFan

11-24-2013, 03:29 PM

I know I never said I expected them to show everything I liked, even though I was accused of that. :rolleyes:

My best memories of TV Land is from August of 2002

RobbieG

11-24-2013, 03:38 PM

My best memories of TV Land is from August of 2002

What was it about their lineup then that you liked so much?

I remember our apartment complex was the last area in the entire city to get TV Land because the cable company had problems due to the high-density population in our area. And it's not like we were in the inner city--we were in the suburbs, but there were lots of apartment complexes in our area. All of the areas north, south, east, and west of us had already gotten it. This was the late 90s. The three shows I was most looking forward to at the time were Gunsmoke (which had been out of syndication for a long time before TV Land started running it), Family Affair, and Daniel Boone. Gunsmoke was airing at midnight which was perfect because I am a night owl.

Two weeks after we finally got TV Land, they moved Gunsmoke to 6 a.m. and dropped Family Affair and Daniel Boone. :(

jonathan c herron

11-24-2013, 03:53 PM

RobbieG

11-24-2013, 04:06 PM

1996 to 1990
when they has a lot of the good old shows like manix , sonny and cher show ,
cannon, the adam family, The Ed Sullivan Show,and Emergency!
and dont forget all the great old commercials they showed

Oh I know all these were on--although they weren't all on in the late 90s. Mannix didn't air until 2002 or later, I think. I was asking TVFactFan what was it about the specific lineup in August 2002 that he liked so much.

TVFactFan

11-24-2013, 04:40 PM

What was it about their lineup then that you liked so much?

I remember our apartment complex was the last area in the entire city to get TV Land because the cable company had problems due to the high-density population in our area. And it's not like we were in the inner city--we were in the suburbs, but there were lots of apartment complexes in our area. All of the areas north, south, east, and west of us had already gotten it. This was the late 90s. The three shows I was most looking forward to at the time were Gunsmoke (which had been out of syndication for a long time before TV Land started running it), Family Affair, and Daniel Boone. Gunsmoke was airing at midnight which was perfect because I am a night owl.

Two weeks after we finally got TV Land, they moved Gunsmoke to 6 a.m. and dropped Family Affair and Daniel Boone. :(

They were more creative back then when it came to selection of shows and marathons

Example, showing a marathon of Norman lear sitcoms to celebrate norman lear 80th birthday

jonathan c herron

11-24-2013, 05:11 PM

They were more creative back then when it came to selection of shows and marathons

Example, showing a marathon of Norman lear sitcoms to celebrate norman lear 80th birthday

true so very true they was creative back then
and dont forget they had a 100th birthday marathons
for Alfred Hitchcock show Alfred Hitchcock Presents

RobbieG

11-25-2013, 02:37 PM

They were more creative back then when it came to selection of shows and marathons

Example, showing a marathon of Norman lear sitcoms to celebrate norman lear 80th birthday

Oh, you are speaking generally, because they were doing those in more than just 2002. You had mentioned August 2002 specifically which made me wonder what was so special about that particular month.

TV Land rarely even does any memorial tributes anymore. I know they did one for James Arness (as did MeTV and Encore Westerns), and I think they did one for Sherman Hemsley (as did TVONE). The fact that TV Land was able to whip out The Jeffersons for a Hemsley tribute so quickly, even though The Jeffersons was not on their schedule at the time, makes me wonder if they still have a contract for The Jeffersons, which is why it is not airing much elsewhere except TVONE.

The way TV Land pulled I Love Lucy and The Dick Van Dyke show earlier this year, then brought them back just a month or so later, makes me wonder the same about those shows. I wonder if TV Land pulls the shows because they aren't doing well, but they can't get out of the contract, then the network decides to put them on again. I guess it all comes down to whether they lose more money airing a show that doesn't do well than the money they have already lost paying for the contract?

RobbieG

11-25-2013, 02:38 PM

true so very true they was creative back then
and dont forget they had a 100th birthday marathons
for Alfred Hitchcock show Alfred Hitchcock Presents

They used to do so much great promotional stuff like that.

Is there a list online somewhere of all of TV Land's schedules and special events they have had throughout the years?

TVFactFan

11-25-2013, 02:45 PM

Oh, you are speaking generally, because they were doing those in more than just 2002. You had mentioned August 2002 specifically which made me wonder what was so special about that particular month.

TV Land rarely even does any memorial tributes anymore. I know they did one for James Arness (as did MeTV and Encore Westerns), and I think they did one for Sherman Hemsley (as did TVONE). The fact that TV Land was able to whip out The Jeffersons for a Hemsley tribute so quickly, even though The Jeffersons was not on their schedule at the time, makes me wonder if they still have a contract for The Jeffersons, which is why it is not airing much elsewhere except TVONE.

The way TV Land pulled I Love Lucy and The Dick Van Dyke show earlier this year, then brought them back just a month or so later, makes me wonder the same about those shows. I wonder if TV Land pulls the shows because they aren't doing well, but they can't get out of the contract, then the network decides to put them on again. I guess it all comes down to whether they lose more money airing a show that doesn't do well than the money they have already lost paying for the contract?

I believe TV land did one for Isabel Sanford after she passed in 2004

RobbieG

11-25-2013, 03:47 PM

I believe TV land did one for Isabel Sanford after she passed in 2004

Yes, they did many back then, when they were still classic-based. The stars didn't even have to be as big as Isabel Sanford. They did tributes to many less well known stars. Of course, they were airing more classic shows back then that they could pull episodes from containing those lesser known stars.

My point is that now they only do one it it's a really big TV star like James Arness, Andy Griffith, or Sherman Hemsley.

TVFactFan

11-25-2013, 03:52 PM

Yes, they did many back then, when they were still classic-based.

My point is that now they only do one it it's a really big TV star like James Arness, Andy Griffith, or Sherman Hemsley.

That's the only time they are supposed to do it lol

Why would they air a marathon of Good Times if the guy who played Michael passed away? lol

RobbieG

11-25-2013, 03:58 PM

That's the only time they are supposed to do it lol

Why would they air a marathon of Good Times if the guy who played Michael passed away? lol

Well, they used to do it for lesser known stars, so someone at the network agreed with me that it was the right thing to do. Of course, they were airing more classic shows back then from which they were able to pull episodes containing those stars.

I would like to see a tribute to Ralph Carter if he passed away. I was sorry Mike Evans' passing got so little in the way of tributes, since he not only played Lionel Jefferson but also co-created Good Times, and his name was used for the youngest Evans child Michael.

I remember when they used to do jingles for famous character actors whose names you might not know: "Hey do you know, Jane Dulo?" "Parley Baer, was a bear!" (I think that's how it went.) I wish I could remember how the one for Burt Mustin went. I have them all on VHS somewhere.

They even had a TV Land Boxed Set programming block for them called "Unsung Heroes." I found this in the forums:

February’s Box Sets feature is Unsung Heroes. Originally a TV Land vignette series. Unsung Heroes features those actors that are on every show and are the actors that make you say, ”oh yeah him”. Each two-hour block features four episodes featuring a different “Hero”. The following are February’s stars; Burt Mustin (2/3), Kathleen Freeman (2/24), Jane Dule (2/17) and Parley Bare (2/10).

TVFactFan

11-25-2013, 05:38 PM

Well, they used to do it for lesser known stars, so someone at the network agreed with me that it was the right thing to do. Of course, they were airing more classic shows back then from which they were able to pull episodes containing those stars.

I would like to see a tribute to Ralph Carter if he passed away. I was sorry Mike Evans' passing got so little in the way of tributes, since he not only played Lionel Jefferson but also co-created Good Times, and his name was used for the youngest Evans child Michael.

I remember when they used to do jingles for famous character actors whose names you might not know: "Hey do you know, Jane Dulo?" "Parley Baer, was a bear!" (I think that's how it went.) I wish I could remember how the one for Burt Mustin went. I have them all on VHS somewhere.

They even had a TV Land Boxed Set programming block for them called "Unsung Heroes." I found this in the forums:

Mike Evans passing go so little because he had a small role on both All in the Family and the Jeffersons

jonathan c herron

11-27-2013, 12:49 AM

They used to do so much great promotional stuff like that.

Is there a list online somewhere of all of TV Land's schedules and special events they have had throughout the years?
hi
i dont know you may try tvguide.com and see if they have old listing

mets82

12-02-2013, 06:13 PM

Again, I think the problem with TVLand is that you cant even watch it sometimes for these reasons:

1) OFF THE CLOCK start times. That has to stop. I mean who wants to watch a show allotted 36 mins. yet have of those mins. are commericals.

2)Too much of a good thing. I like Roseanne, Cosby Show, Golden Girls as much as the next person but is it neccessary to blocks of programming of it all the time?

3) Editing. They need to stop editing these shows to death. I mean they take commerical break, it seems like every 5 minutes. ENOUGH!!!

AND Finally......

4) Did you know The Exes and Kirstie are coming??? I'm sure you must have caught one of there 50,000 promos that they air every break. on every show every day of the week. I mean we get it. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

TVFactFan

12-02-2013, 08:35 PM