View Full Version : Similarities Between the JonBenet Ramsey Case and the Mosman Collar-Bomb Case


Franklin
05-14-2013, 05:25 AM
I have noticed many similarities in the Modus-Operandi between the culprit who was caught in the Mosman (Australia) collar-bomb ransom case and the as-yet-unknown culprit in the Jonbenet Ramsey case.

I am not aware of where the Mosman culprit lived at the time of the Jonbenet murder, (though his wife and daughters apparently always lived in USA) but I still find the similarities so plentiful as to be worth studying, even if Paul Peters couldn't have killed JonBenet.

2A) Peters used a black aluminum baseball bat to threaten the teenage girl on whom he placed the collar-bomb http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026267/Paul-Doug-Peters-Gmail-led-police-Madeleine-Pulver-fake-neck-bomb-suspect.html

2B) A black aluminum Baseball bat of unknown origin discovered on front lawn at JonBenet's Boulder, CO house.
http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon031400.htm
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/jonbenet-secret-files

3A) Peters, a wealthy computer savvy international banker type, was unknown to Bill Pulver (the Aussie teen victims rich father). But Peters may have researched Pulvers financial details.
3B) Unknown JonBenet culprit knew of the 118kdollars bonus Ramsey had received. But how did he know?

4A) Peters was an aspiring adventure writer. His viscious TYPED ransom note looks to be almost melodramatic, and making him into something he is not. (a Green Beret, ie a member of a small foreign faction by Australian standards)
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/nsw-act/inside-the-confused-dark-world-of-collar-bomb-hoaxer-paul-douglas-peters/story-fndo4bst-1226499653140
It would be interesting to read a transcript of his amateur novel for signs of extortionistic techniques. He was a fan and follower of the James Clavell novel Tai-Pan.

4B) Possibly similar for JonBenet culprit. JBR ransom note shows melodramatic international intrigue like out of James Bond almost, and he expects to be taken seriously as fact. Once again, the small foreign faction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonbenet_Ramsey.

5a) and 5B) Similarity in the level of sickess for both cases. Sadistic and sick to torture through collar bomb on the one, and garret rope on the other girl.

6A) Peters was a licensed pilot. (as was John Ramsey)
6B) A guy in a wheelchair testified that an unusual character flagged him down (near the Ramseys Michigan house) and wanted a ride to the airport
(sounded more like the little private-plane airport)
Around the same time, a shady character without a car at a nearby gas-station near to the Michigan house.
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-cowboy-boots-michigan.htm
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-jonbenet-timeline.htm

7A) Peters liked riding horses
7B) Maid in Michigan found mysterious cowboy boots next to JonBenets bed in Michigan when the Ramseys were in Colorado. Apparent boot-print on suitcase under basement window in Colorado.

8A) Peters Australian victim was an ice hockey player. (he was 51y/o in 2011 by the way, )
8B) Mystery-man at gas station but without a car near Ramsey Michigan house kept talking about skating in Colorado. Eyewitnesses said he may have had an accent, and was about 41y/o, (in 1996).

I find it very strange that a crazy man like Peters could go fifty years without ever committing even one horrendous crime, as bad as he was. I wonder what he was up to in all his earlier years. Is it possible he was a model citizen till he moved to Australia? I wonder what his handwriting looks like, regardless of whether he could be JonBenets killer or not.

Maybe Websleuths is where this should be posted, but if anyone here knows how to look up what year Paul Peters divorced his American wife and moved overseas, and how many months per year he still lived with his wife after the divorce, and how often he visited his USA daughters, and were they in the pageants. (His wife has lived in Kentucky and New Jersey) Was Paul Peters wife a partner in crime type woman? How to get the printout of his adventure novel. Does Australias DNA database cross reference crimes committed in USA? Did he (having a pilots license) use a private plane like we would go to the corner store? Or was it a license he never exploited?

PS: Posts arguing that Patsy, Burke or John Ramsey are the perpetrators are way off topic for this particular thread and will most likely be deleted.

Franklin
05-14-2013, 11:13 PM
I have noticed many similarities in the Modus-Operandi between the culprit who was caught in the Mosman (Australia) collar-bomb ransom case and the as-yet-unknown culprit in the Jonbenet Ramsey case..

In the article below, it seems that Madeleine Pulver was NOT Peters original target. Was a smaller child at the house of his original intended target? Not likely cuz the collar bomb would have been too big. But maybe not, because, after all, his science fiction book he was writing was "about a YOUNG GIRL who was kidnapped by a villain" (see link below)

Paul Douglas Peters Modus Operandi, from http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/fake-collar-bomber-jailed-for-minimum-10-years-20121120-29n9d.html

"Crown Prosecutor Margaret Cunneen, SC, said Peters had been angry at losing his wealth and status and had decided "get it all back in one go".

She said the 52-year-old had come to Sydney from his home in the US intending to extort money from the beneficiary of a large trust fund - the James M Cox trust.

He had abandoned this target when he stumbled across a prominent Sydney businessman who lived on the same battle-axe block as the Pulvers.

Bizarrely, according to the Crown, it was a simple mistake which led Peters to the Pulvers's door — he had mistaken the Pulvers's house for that of his intended target."

So many similarities. Peters (a priveliged and wealthy man) is a bitterly resentful man against those wealthier than himself.
Is there any way to find out who James M Cox (in Australia) is, or who the James M Cox trust went to? I wonder if it was to a family with a small child. And I wonder if the corporate banking computers that gave Peters the information on the James M Cox trust could have given someone the information on the John Ramsey 118kDollars bonus?

Big question: If Peters had ways of researching electronically who has the money to extort, why fly all the way from U.S. to Australia to do it? Why not just do it to someone in the USA and save the trip? Might he have already used up his nine lives in USA?

Franklin
05-16-2013, 04:42 AM
I have noticed many similarities in the Modus-Operandi between the culprit who was caught in the Mosman (Australia) collar-bomb ransom case and the as-yet-unknown culprit in the Jonbenet Ramsey case.

Comparing and contrasting the physical descriptions between Paul Peters (the Australian collar bomber) and an unknown person of interest in the JonBenet Ramsey case. (the person reported hanging around the Ramseys Michigan neighborhood)

Here is a link to a picture of Paul Peters to demonstrate his rather large nose. Kind of like the parrot on the Fruit-Loops box.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3637269.htm
and
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9660756/Collar-bomb-suspect-got-the-wrong-house.html
Also of note is that Peters would have an Australian accent, and was also know to put on aires by speaking with a contrived upper-crust English accent while in Asia. He would have been about 36y/o in 1996. He knew how to get around by private plane because a) he had a pilots license, obtained in USA, and b) his father (having been an airline pilot before retiring) owned some kind of airplane rental company or timesharing company in Australia. I have seen rare pictures of him where he would almost be described as having a beard, but more due to not shaving for a long time.

And here is a link where there is a description of the unidentified person of interest in the JBRamsey case.
Eyewitness says: "He had a strange nose, like it had been broke in the past"
and there are other sources who simply describe it as "a strange nose".
He is also described as possibly having a foreign accent, and as seeking a ride to the local airport. He was in his late thirties.
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-gas-stationman-michigan.htm

Now here is a list of questions: Whatever happened to the artists composite sketch that is said to have been made of the JBR person of interest? And, although reports state that Peters has a pilots license now, (having obtained it in USA) did he have it back in 1996? (if he was even in USA then) And was the local airport within a reasonable walking distance from the Ramsey house?

Reports are that one of Peters daughters was eighteen in 2011, the same age as his victim Madeleine Pulver. That would mean she was born of her American mother in 1993, three years before the 1996 JBR tragedy.

TracyLynnS
05-16-2013, 11:41 AM
You've shared a lot of information I hadn't heard about, especially in the Australia collar bomb case. I read a few Australian and international news reports at the time it happened but was unaware that the culprit had a pilot's license or that Miss Pulver was not the person he had initially targeted, among other things.

Very interesting comparisons in these cases.

Franklin
05-16-2013, 05:24 PM
You've shared a lot of information I hadn't heard about, especially in the Australia collar bomb case. I read a few Australian and international news reports at the time it happened but was unaware that the culprit had a pilot's license or that Miss Pulver was not the person he had initially targeted, among other things.

Very interesting comparisons in these cases.

I have seen articles that describe TWO other intended targets before Ms. Pulver. One target was a woman within two miles of the Pulver house who was to be the recipient of a trust from a deceased rich American, James M. Cox, (Peters had researched the Cox trust) and the second (supposed by the police) intended target was a "former News Ltd chairman Ken Crowley" (who lived next door to the Pulvers).
http://www.watoday.com.au/national/bomb-hoax-accused-in-guilty-plea-20120308-1un6w.html

It sounds like Peters, after flying to Australia, had been trolling around the Crowley's neighborhood the previous week stalking to stalk them when her aught a glimpse of the eighteen y/o girl in the window, and immediately changed his plans to target her.

So Peters may NOT have actually researched Madeleines dad's bank records (having previously only researched the Cox trust and perhaps the Crowleys)

I wonder if, in the end Peters was actually driven by some perversion (other than greed alone) in targeting Madeleine Pulver. In his own mind, of course he will "excuse" his actions by saying it is only the money he was chasing, but then why drop the ball and change his plans so suddenly when he saw the pretty girl.

In the Ramsey case, someone obviously DID research John Ramsey's finances, (as evidenced by the reference to the 118kDollars in the ransom note) so it probably wouldn't be a case of a passerby researching and targeting a Ramsey neighbor, and then changing his mind upon seeing the Ramsey's girl in a window.

Franklin
05-16-2013, 11:44 PM
I have noticed many similarities in the Modus-Operandi between the culprit who was caught in the Mosman (Australia) collar-bomb ransom case and the as-yet-unknown culprit in the Jonbenet Ramsey case.

Here are the two ransom notes for comparison.

1) Here is the Mosman Collar Bomb ransom note, typed by Paul Douglas Peters in 2011:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/maddie-pulver-ransom-note/story-e6freuy9-1226294112495

2) And here is the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note hand written by an unknown perpetrator in 1996 (from the Wikipedia page)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen%C3%A9t_Ramsey

Are there any similarities? in text, or in psychology?

TracyLynnS
05-17-2013, 02:18 PM
Both ransom notes are so overly dramatic. In the Pulver note, that egomaniac claims to be a Green Beret munitions specialist who's made bombs for 20 years. And he won't shut up about how anything the victims does, like speaking to non-family members, will trigger a BRIAN DOUGLAS WELLS event, as if an australian teenager is even going to know what the heck that is. What a nutcase.

There are definitely similarities in both ransom letters, imo. Both are too long and rambling for their purpose. Both repeatedly stress that anything the victim does will result in death. A "BRIAN DOUGLAS WELLS event" (Pulver) or "she dies" (Ramsey), just repeated over, and over, and over, and over.... sheesh.

Do you know if the Pulver ransom note was brought to the scene or was written on paper already in the house, as the Ramsey letter was?

If this guy was responsible for both cases, what do you think went wrong that caused him to kill Jonbenet? The bomb didn't actually exist in the Pulver case, so the victim wouldn't have died but someone definitely did kill Jonbenet Ramsey. Another sort of similarity is that there was a ligature around Jonbenet's neck, while a collar bomb was used in the Pulver attack. Do you think he might have tried to use a "collar bomb" in the Ramsey case but she struggled or was too noisy so he accidentally/purposefully killed her, maybe using the ligature to try to hide any marks on her neck from attempting to fit the collar bomb?

Franklin
05-17-2013, 05:19 PM
.......Do you know if the Pulver ransom note was brought to the scene or was written on paper already in the house, as the Ramsey letter was?

If this guy was responsible for both cases, what do you think went wrong that caused him to kill Jonbenet? The bomb didn't actually exist in the Pulver case, so the victim wouldn't have died but someone definitely did kill Jonbenet Ramsey. Another sort of similarity is that there was a ligature around Jonbenet's neck, while a collar bomb was used in the Pulver attack. Do you think he might have tried to use a "collar bomb" in the Ramsey case but she struggled or was too noisy so he accidentally/purposefully killed her, maybe using the ligature to try to hide any marks on her neck from attempting to fit the collar bomb?

I think that the Pulver note was pre-printed. If Peters were involved in the Ramsey crime, he wouldn't dare write it (the collar bomb threat) out on paper for fear of police making the handwriting comparison connecting it to the JBR note. I personally think that the JBRamsey note was well thought out and copied onto Ramsey stationary. Perhaps the JBR perpetrator had a sudden brainstorm about adding the mysterious "foreign faction" at the last minute and burned his original and rewrote it on the Ramsey stationary.

What may have caused the killer to kill JBRamsey?
A neighbor is reported to have heard a vague scream that night from the direction of the Ramsey house.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682525/What%20Neighbors%20Reported
If the perpetrator really even intended only to kidnap JBR, and not just kill her, he still certainly already had a strangling compulsion on his mind to have thrown together a garret and used it when JBR's scream made him panic. It is really quite common for killers to kill a victim who screams.

As far as Peters propensity to violence, (using only a harmless fake bomb). I have read that Peters once rammed his horse into an opponents horse at a polo match in Malaysia (Malaysia one of John Karr's haunts by the way). The ball was already on the other side of the field anyway, so it was just temper driven. And his rivals horse had to be put down from its injuries. Also the date of the Pulver collar bomb coincided to the anniversary when one of his fathers million dollar airplanes was firebombed three years earlier. It sounds like Peters has an explosive temper and is capable of changing his plans if things don't go his way. Also, it has been reported that Peters fitted the collar-bomb onto Ms.Pulver much tighter than necessary, though not tight enough to restrict her breathing.

Although the collar bomb was harmless in the end, he certainly does obsess in the letter about her (Ms. Pulver) losing her head (he call it a "Wells" event each time though) Just like the JBR letter, where the perpetrator states "if you contact the FBI, she will be beheaded". Possibly a pre-existing compulsion to behead people.

By the way, the JBR perpetrator does have a strangling obsession as indicated by some of his letters looking like hanging nooses. It would have taken Patsy Ramsey years of study to mimick so many of the grapho traits of the nut who left the letter. (I have studied graphoanalysis for years) Concerning the Boulder Police stalking of Jonbenet's mother Patsy, oftentimes insecure "experts" are just posers and wannabees (narcissists) who feel entitled to their professional standings regardless of their lack of knowledge and wisdom. (degree or no-degree). Like a pack of dogs in a fox hunt, they (the lie-detector "experts", the graphoanalysis "experts" etc) will bias their "science" to re-enforce the momentum of their chums, and thus stay at the head of their pack, and with those at the local center of power, to avoid destroying their careers (by speaking up against the majority). A big problem in Chicago, as evidenced by all the faulty convictions lately. In Texas a DNA expert was even faking DNA results to stay at the head of her profession, and it worked. She rose to become head of the whole department. Good'ol'boy indeed.

Also, the collar bomb idea was really a copycat idea he (Peters) stole from that USA pizza delivery case. For that matter, he may just be a copycat who is copying both the JBR case and the Pizza collar bomb case.

Franklin
05-18-2013, 05:42 PM
Both ransom notes are so overly dramatic. In the Pulver note, that egomaniac claims to be a Green Beret munitions specialist who's made bombs for 20 years. And he won't shut up about how anything the victims does, like speaking to non-family members, will trigger a BRIAN DOUGLAS WELLS event, as if an australian teenager is even going to know what the heck that is. What a nutcase.

There are definitely similarities in both ransom letters, imo. Both are too long and rambling for their purpose. Both repeatedly stress that anything the victim does will result in death. A "BRIAN DOUGLAS WELLS event" (Pulver) or "she dies" (Ramsey), just repeated over, and over, and over, and over.... sheesh.

TracyLynn, you make some good points. In the Ramsey note the perpetrator says "I am a member of a small foreign faction",
while in the Pulver note Mr Peters claims to be a Green Beret. In Australia, and to an Australian, a retired American Green Beret is a foreigner. So both notes (Ramsey note and Pulver note) really say the same thing, that it is a foreign faction asking for ransom. He seems to think that the parents of the Australian girl will be more intimidated by a mysterious foreign faction, and more likely to pay.

And here are some more correlations between the two letters.
A-Pulver) SO, ACT NOW, THINK LATER, or YOU will inadvertently trigger a tragically avoidable explosion, known in the American armed forces, as a BRIAN DOUGLAS WELLS event. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226294112495


A-Ramsey) Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen%C3%A9t_Ramsey

"Don't try to grow a brain" (JBR ransom note) is the same as saying "don't think now, just act on my instructions.", (in the Pulver ransom note) and of course a Brian Douglas Wells event is the same as the decapitation mentioned in the Ramsey note. BOTH NOTES SAY THE SAME THING.

B-Ramsey) "You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities."
B-Pulver) "Should I (or my banking advisors or embedded informants) become aware that you, your family, or any person or entity has breached ANY CONDITION, BEFORE OR AFTER the transfer of the Defined Sum, you do so at your family's own peril."
(In the Ramsey case, the perpetrator wanted cash, while in the Pulver case, he wanted a transfer of money, and I suppose he expected the victims father to never contact authorities out of fear. Also note that in both ransom notes the perpetrator(s) go on and on about their rogue team(s) of pirates and informers embedded in the banks and elsewhere who monitor the victims every move.)

Franklin
05-19-2013, 03:26 AM
I have noticed many similarities in the Modus-Operandi between the culprit who was caught in the Mosman (Australia) collar-bomb ransom case and the as-yet-unknown culprit in the Jonbenet Ramsey case.


Here is a link where they talk about the extra, out of place METAL baseball bat that was found at the Ramsey house and how it might fit in to the JonBenet killing. http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/jonbenet-secret-files

In the Pulver crime, Mr. Peters was caught on video going into a store (in Australia) to purchase a METAL bat http://www.smh.com.au/national/accused-pirate-left-a-thoroughly-21stcentury-trail-20110817-1iyb9.html
, which he then threatened to use in the same way as these websleuthers are theorizing for the Ramsey murder.
http://www.webbsleuths.com/dcf/DCForumID101/2114.html

Franklin
05-19-2013, 03:53 AM
I have noticed many similarities in the Modus-Operandi between the culprit who was caught in the Mosman (Australia) collar-bomb ransom case and the as-yet-unknown culprit in the Jonbenet Ramsey case.


Below in italics is a list of items either not belonging to the Ramseys or disturbed and out of place items found at the Ramsey house. (not including the baseball bat found on the front lawn) Do any of these items (besides the baseball bat) possibly correlate to Paul Douglas Peters modus operandi?
Copied from someones post from Websleuths, plus the link. I don't know what all the codes mean.
http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID79/546.html


24. "RE: Braveheart's Post on Danish Book"
In response to message #23

LAST EDITED ON 12-15-08 AT 09:13 AM (EST)

I found one of Braveheart's posts in my files:
Forum URL: http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi
Forum Name: Ramsey discussion
Topic ID: 1351
#0, Out of place items
Posted by BraveHeart on 03-07-06 at 07:06 PM

Things found at the crime scene which were out of place, or suspected of being related to the crime or obviously connected to the crime and not claimed by the Ramseys as their own or acknowledged by them as being out of place. In other words, these are items that might be construed, or misconstrued, as staged items, by either an intruder(s) or the Ramseys (if you haven’t been enlightened yet).
1. The newspaper left on John's desk, designating John Ramsey in a group photo, similar to "Ricochet".
2. The dictionary purportedly opened to "incest" in the study/TV room, per ST.
3. Books:
a) "Mindhunter" (the one about how husbands and wives hurt each other and their children,
b) "The Day After Tomorrow" – about a series of beheadings,
c) "Whirlwind" by James Clavell ( a helicopter pilot struggles to get his family out of Iran when the Ayatola Khomeini comes to power-a foreign faction here?-his helicopter company is secretly owned by a shadowy Chinese company-the characters include lovers, spies, fanatics, revolutionaries, friends and betrayers )( also of note but not left at the house: "The Children's Story," by James Clavell, is a short book that takes place in an elementary school classroom in the United States after the country has been conquered by some nameless foreign power. The story follows the initial re-education *brainwashing* of the children by their new teacher.
d) a book written in Danish language by David Pilgrim found on Patsy's dresser (this would be one of two books, or both, written by Hilary Aidan St. George Saunders and John Leslie Palmer, British authors, writing under the pseudonym of David Pilgrim; "No Common Glory" & "The Grand Design", both available in German, English and Danish translations. They are classified as historical crime fiction novels. I don’t know the plot of these but my guess is that since neither John nor Patsy spoke Danish, and didn’t recognize the book, these have something to do with the crime and were left by the murderer.
There is a membership only Live role playing group head quartered in Britain, by the name “The Grand Design”. Their web site:
http://www.granddesign.org.uk/#

Franklin
05-19-2013, 04:17 AM
Below in italics is a list of items either not belonging to the Ramseys or disturbed and out of place items found at the Ramsey house. (not including the baseball bat found on the front lawn) [B]Do any of these items (besides the baseball bat) possibly correlate to Paul Douglas Peters modus operandi?

Yes, Paul Peters was a fan of author James Clavell (the author of books Tai-Pan and Whirlwind)
Both the Ramsey crime scene and the Pulver crimescenes have correlations to James Clavell novels. The novel Whirlwind, NOT belonging to the Ramseys was found at the Ramsey home. http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID79/546.html
A ransom note signed as "Dirk Struan" (a character in the other James Clavell novel Tai-Pan) was found with Madeleine Pulver. Also, the e-mail address to be used for communicating ransom instructions (in the Pulver case) was dirkstraun1840@gmail.com

From this news link about the Mosman Collar Bomber:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44171312/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/collar-bomb-victim-madeleine-pulver-relieved-after-fbi-arrests-suspect/
"The email address the attacker left is dirkstraun1840@gmail.com. Dirk Struan is the main character in James Clavell's 1966 novel "Tai-Pan," about a bitter rivalry between powerful Hong Kong traders after the end of the First Opium War."

Franklin
05-20-2013, 07:01 AM
Below in italics is a list, off of Websleuths, of items either not belonging to the Ramseys or disturbed and out of place items found at the Ramsey house..................

"..................d) a book written in Danish language by David Pilgrim found on Patsy's dresser (this would be one of two books, or both, written by Hilary Aidan St. George Saunders and John Leslie Palmer, British authors, writing under the pseudonym of David Pilgrim; "No Common Glory" & "The Grand Design", both available in German, English and Danish translations. They are classified as historical crime fiction novels. I don’t know the plot of these but my guess is that since neither John nor Patsy spoke Danish, and didn’t recognize the book, these have something to do with the crime and were left by the murderer...."
http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID79/546.html

Concerning any possible link between the Historical Fiction novels an intruder left behind at the Ramsey house, and the Paul Peters novel, here is a link to a quote from a woman describing (collar bomber) Paul Peters historical novel that he was working on.

"Mr Peters told Mrs. Vanderbrink he was writing a book. 'It was an historical fiction about China and how Hong Kong was leased to the British, going back to the opium trade. It was James Bond meets National Treasure, that movie with Nicholas Cage. It was a great idea, in some parts a bit tedious, but I thought it was good enough to be a film.' Mrs Vanderbrink said"
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/from-lofty-heights-to-depths-of-despair-how-paul-peters-blew-his-marriage/story-e6freuzi-1226118543941
Other sources on the internet mention that Paul Peters book's plot includes the kidnapping of a young girl.

Franklin
05-20-2013, 08:25 AM
I have noticed many similarities in the Modus-Operandi between the culprit who was caught in the Mosman (Australia) collar-bomb ransom case and the as-yet-unknown culprit in the Jonbenet Ramsey case.

I am not aware of where the Mosman culprit lived at the time of the Jonbenet murder, (though his wife and daughters apparently always lived in USA) but I still find the similarities so plentiful as to be worth studying, even if Paul Peters couldn't have killed JonBenet.

Below are some links which might shed light on Paul Peters whereabouts around the critical 1996/'97 time period. Although it almost appears that he was away from USA, there still needs to be more clarity. Various news reports state that his daughter is the same age as Madeleine Pulver, and thus born around 1993, and that his wife hails from New Jersey. Of course his wife could meet him and give birth to her three daughters in Asia, but I am curious if the records show the three births to be in USA. If anyone knows how to look up investigative information such as marriage licenses, birth records, or voter registration records etc, Paul Peters wife's name was "Deborah Lee Peters" or "Debra Lee Peters". Her info is almost more relevant because Paul Peters was such a jetsetter, there is not much way to tell day to day where he was.

"Peters began his career at Arthur Anderson, a large accounting firm, where he specialised in tax. He would spend three years there, choosing to head back to Hong Kong in 1988, the city of his boyhood. He parlayed his tax skills into investment banking, specialising in leveraged lease finance, which exploits tax rules in various jurisdictions to lower the cost."
"In 1994, he moved to Malaysia to set up the local office of a boutique investment bank, where he pioneered Islamic bonds, so called because they comply with sharia law and don't charge interest."
"By 1998, Peters had started work with Connell Finance, the investment banking division of the New Jersey-based Connell Company."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mystery-lies-behind-mirrored-pasts-20110819-1j2cf.html

"It was at the top of a hill in Country Oaks Rd, in Clinton Township, where he made his life between 1999 and 2006, with his wife Debra, in a mansion with wide lawns and a long driveway leading up to a three-car garage."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/crime-and-puzzlement-pulver-family-and-friends-gobsmacked/story-e6freuy9-1226118420345

"Peters, Debra and their girls lived in a mansion in Clinton Town, New Jersey, about an hour drive west of New York but a world away from the jammed streets of Manhattan."
"The home on top of a wooded hill on Country Oaks Rd is set, like other grand residences in the quiet street, on several hectares of wide lawn and tall trees, under which deer wander untroubled by the residents."
"At the time Mr Peters was an executive at Connell, a formidable granite-fronted New Jersey business park which specialises in refinancing companies for big projects."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/from-lofty-heights-to-depths-of-despair-how-paul-peters-blew-his-marriage/story-e6freuzi-1226118429038

"They simply cannot connect the wealthy, charming Aussie guy with the man accused of this bizarre crime."
"In Clinton Town, Paul Peters played polo on weekends at the fields of Tinicum Park, some 15 minutes away."
"It was a good life, just like in Stroudsburg, an almost identical semi-rural area where Debra and Paul had lived in the late '90s."
"By 2006, the Peters family was gone from the Country Oaks Rd address. Paul Peters told Guest he was heading back to Australia. Debra moved to a place out of Louisville, Kentucky, which is not dissimilar to Clinton Township - semi-rural and a place to be near their horses."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/crime-and-puzzlement-pulver-family-and-friends-gobsmacked/story-e6freuy9-1226118420345

Franklin
05-20-2013, 04:51 PM
I have noticed many similarities in the Modus-Operandi between the culprit who was caught in the Mosman (Australia) collar-bomb ransom case and the as-yet-unknown culprit in the Jonbenet Ramsey case.

I am not aware of where the Mosman culprit lived at the time of the Jonbenet murder, (though his wife and daughters apparently always lived in USA) but I still find the similarities so plentiful as to be worth studying, even if Paul Peters couldn't have killed JonBenet.

Here is a link to an article that indicates why Paul Peters cannot be excluded as a suspect in the JBR killing. Peters was prone to go to the ends of the earth, literally, to carry out his vengeful compulsions. Here is a link to an article describing how he had a grudge against someone in Malaysia. To get back at him he outbid others (bidded 3000 dollars) and won at a charity auction a five day pass to a vacation chalet in Canada (donated to the charity auction by the guy he had a grudge against). He then travelled all the way from Malaysia to Canada and thrashed and vandalized the chalet, causing extensive damage. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/dark-past-of-man-charged-over-attack-on-madeleine-pulver-20110818-1j0aw.html

Another time, as mentioned previously he rammed his horse into the side of an opponents horse (when the ball was clear on the other side of the field) and caused the other horse to have to be put down from its injuries.

And another time, of course, he travelled all the way from Kentucky to Australia just so he could place a collar bomb on a girl. News articles describe how, although Mr. Pulver has no recollection of Peters, they worked and lived in the same vicinities in Australia, and Asia, and even in New York. Their high schools in Australia even competed against each other. Peters may have had an ongoing, 20year jealous, obsessive grudge against Pulver who didn't even know him.

And then the mysterious and unsolved firebombing of Peters dad's twin engine airplane. (800kDollars damage)

Might Mr. Peters have had a crazy grudge against Mr. Ramsey? Perhaps Ramsey stole Peters parking spot at the polo club, or perhaps Ramseys daughter was prettier than Peters daughter. Perhaps a change in business strategy at Ramseys company caused a loss of a commission to Peters when a loan was cancelled.

Regardless of Mr. Peters involvement or not in the Ramsey crime, his activities still prove that wealthy, envious executive crazies like him exist in the world, and that he is the perfect psychological profile for the perp who did the Ramsey murder, and who wrote (While in USA) a similarly envious and vengeful ransom note in the Australian collar bomb case.

TracyLynnS
05-20-2013, 05:28 PM
Wow that guy is one of the strangest people I've ever heard of. Back when the Pulver case happened, I had no idea he had such a history.

Steve_uk
05-20-2013, 05:34 PM
I always found the ransom note puzzling,quoting as it did a near exact figure of the father's bonus. Of course they couldn't rule out the mother as the writer of that note. I believe an investigator also found stun gun marks on JonBenet. I don't know if the collar guy had any prior association with that method of crime?

Franklin
05-20-2013, 11:04 PM
I always found the ransom note puzzling,quoting as it did a near exact figure of the father's bonus. Of course they couldn't rule out the mother as the writer of that note. I believe an investigator also found stun gun marks on JonBenet. I don't know if the collar guy had any prior association with that method of crime?

To Steve- Good question about the stun-gun. I bet the Australians made records of any paraphernalia found in his Australian properties. I wonder if the USA FBI did much more than arrest Peters and ship him off to the Australians after their extradition request. I would have hoped that the FBI would have taken a DNA sample before letting him go. Even if they did take a sample, they probably would have just stored it and never tested it because testing is very expensive if you don't have a reason to test it.

Franklin
05-22-2013, 02:55 AM
Comparing and contrasting the physical descriptions between Paul Peters (the Australian collar bomber) and an unknown person of interest in the JonBenet Ramsey case. (the person reported hanging around the Ramseys Michigan neighborhood)

Here is a link to a picture of Paul Peters to demonstrate his rather large nose. Kind of like the parrot on the Fruit-Loops box.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3637269.htm
and
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9660756/Collar-bomb-suspect-got-the-wrong-house.html
Also of note is that Peters would have an Australian accent........He would have been about 36y/o in 1996. He knew how to get around by private plane because a) he had a pilots license, obtained in USA, and b) his father (having been an airline pilot before retiring) owned some kind of airplane charter company in Australia.................

And here is a link where there is a description of the unidentified person of interest in the JBRamsey case.
Eyewitness says: "He had a strange nose, like it had been broke in the past"
and there are other sources who simply describe it as "a strange nose".
He is also described as possibly having a foreign accent, and as seeking a ride to the local airport. He was in his late thirties.
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-gas-stationman-michigan.htm

Now here is a list of questions: Whatever happened to the artists composite sketch that is said to have been made of the JBR person of interest?........

The mystery man seen trolling around the neighborhood of the Ramseys Michigan summer house in late September seems to have missed his opportunity of connecting with the Ramseys since they had already left their Michigan house for their Colorado home or their Georgia home for the school season. But rather than follow them immediately, (if he was the killer) he waited till Christmas holidays, or the day after Christmas to do his crime. Many people think he chose that day (Jesus Birthday) for the greater shock value. I wonder if he chose that day because he had to fit the killing into his busy work/homelife schedule. In September, he might have discontinued tracking the Ramseys because he had to return home for his kids first day of school, or to get back to work after vacation. And his next break from work, on the Christmas holidays, he might have been at his own home watching his own wife and kids open their presents under the Christmas tree, and then when the day was done, went to kidnap JBR. He might have told his wife that he had to return to his overseas job right after the holiday festivities, but then delayed his airplane ticket one day in order to commit the crime.

Steve_uk
05-22-2013, 02:13 PM
The mystery man seen trolling around the neighborhood of the Ramseys Michigan summer house in late September seems to have missed his opportunity of connecting with the Ramseys since they had already left their Michigan house for their Colorado home or their Georgia home for the school season. But rather than follow them immediately, (if he was the killer) he waited till Christmas holidays, or the day after Christmas to do his crime. Many people think he chose that day (Jesus Birthday) for the greater shock value. I wonder if he chose that day because he had to fit the killing into his busy work/homelife schedule. In September, he might have discontinued tracking the Ramseys because he had to return home for his kids first day of school, or to get back to work after vacation. And his next break from work, on the Christmas holidays, he might have been at his own home watching his own wife and kids open their presents under the Christmas tree, and then when the day was done, went to kidnap JBR. He might have told his wife that he had to return to his overseas job right after the holiday festivities, but then delayed his airplane ticket one day in order to commit the crime.
Of course that's a possibility,but surely someone would have recognized Peters as the man in Michegan as several people seem to have seen him there. There's also the matter of the DNA present on JonBenet which I would assume has not found the match with Peters,which leads me to believe if he was involved then he used an accomplice for the JonBenet kidnap attempt which went wrong.

Franklin
05-22-2013, 05:24 PM
Of course that's a possibility,but surely someone would have recognized Peters as the man in Michegan as several people seem to have seen him there. There's also the matter of the DNA present on JonBenet which I would assume has not found the match with Peters,which leads me to believe if he was involved then he used an accomplice for the JonBenet kidnap attempt which went wrong.

The police supposedly had an artist do a sketch, (discerned from widely varying memories of the eyewitnesses) of the man in Michigan, but no one has seen the sketch since, if it even exists any more. At the time, in the late nineties, the police were only interested in pinning the crime on one of the Ramseys, so they weren't very interested in scenarios involving other potential culprits.

Here, from http://www.acandyrose.com/s-cowboy-boots-michigan.htm
"The guy at the gas station would not have known the cashier was the husband of one of the housekeepers, it was not known really as it was a temp job. He did do a sketch with the original Ramsey investigators in the spring of 97 but no one knows where it is, probably in one of the many boxes shipped to Lin Wood. Ramseys have never seen it."
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-gas-stationman-michigan.htm

As far as eyewitnesses remembering the face, the Collar Bomb incident happened in 2011, fifteen years after the JBR murder, and was only superficially covered on the news for a few days in this country. For the Michigan eyewitnesses to have recognized Peters (IF he was the Michigan man) they would have had to have been watching the news on the day of his arrest in 2011, and they would have had to make a very close inspection of the clean-shaven white-aired Australian gentleman on their TV screen. If it was Peters behind both crimes, he would have changed in appearance greatly after fifteen years. The 30's-something Michigan man had black hair and possibly a beard, while Peters (fifteen years later at age 51) had white hair and no beard.

On the topic of DNA, from what I can tell, Kentucky (where Peters was arrested) doesn't require collecting DNA. I don't know if it would make a difference that the feds are the ones who nabbed him, and not the state. And besides, collecting dna isn't the same as testing dna. It might be that they collect DNA samples from felons and arrestees for future reference, and then only do the expensive testing if they have reason to suspect the person. They might not have had a reason to test Peters, as he was supposedly just a model citizen, a crazy old guy having a meltdown from a midlife crisis, someone to quickly and cheaply unload on the eager Australians.

Regardless of DNA, the perpetrator in the JBR case may have worn so many gloves that their DNA will never be found. The DNA the FBI found there might just be something remnant from the clothes factory.

Franklin
05-24-2013, 03:13 PM
Below in italics is a list of items either not belonging to the Ramseys or disturbed and out of place items found at the Ramsey house. (not including the baseball bat found on the front lawn) Do any of these items (besides the baseball bat) possibly correlate to Paul Douglas Peters modus operandi?
Copied from someones post from Websleuths, plus the link. I don't know what all the codes mean.
http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID79/546.html

..........Things found at the crime scene which were out of place, or suspected of being related to the crime or obviously connected to the crime and not claimed by the Ramseys as their own or acknowledged by them as being out of place. In other words, these are items that might be construed, or misconstrued, as staged items, by either an intruder(s) or the Ramseys .................

b) "The Day After Tomorrow" – about a series of beheadings,
c) "Whirlwind"by James Clavell ( a helicopter pilot struggles to get his family out of Iran when the Ayatola Khomeini comes to power-a foreign faction here?-his helicopter company is secretly owned by a shadowy Chinese company-the characters include lovers, spies, fanatics, revolutionaries, friends and betrayers )


Addressing a possible motive for the killer to have left behind a copy of the Novel "Whirlwind".

Hosea 8.7 Old Testament: "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. The stalk has no head; it will produce no flour. Were it to yield grain, foreigners would swallow it up."
http://biblehub.com/hosea/8-7.htm
"They promised themselves plenty, peace, and victory, by worshipping idols, but their expectations came to nothing. What they sow has no stalk, no blade, or, if it have, the bud shall yield no fruit, there was nothing in them. The works of darkness are unfruitful; nay, the end of those things is death.............."

The term whirlwind can mean "You reap what you sow". When the British gained the advantage and carpet bombed Dresden, their spokesman announced to Hitler and Germany: "you have sown the wind, now you shall reap the whirlwind"

It can also refer to maliciously spreading a lie or rumor (sowing the wind) that spreads, but then comes back to start a worse set of trouble to he who started the rumor (reaping the whirlwind).

If this book "Whirlwind" is a clue, and not just a book left to mislead investigators, or left accidentally by a previous houseguest, then perhaps the killer left the book "Whirlwind" as a coded message to John Ramsey, as if to say "Take that John, for stealing my parking spot at the Country Club. You will now pay, you are reaping the whirlwind." Or "Your exploitive business trade practices have driven me to do this, you will now reap what you have sown by your daughters death"
He could be a sadistic religious fanatic using the Bible to validate his twisted sexual deviancy in killing "an infidel", (like the Muslims do sometimes with "Honor" killings), or a business rival to John who feels he was outplayed, or a rival of Patsy on the pageant circuit.

The ransom note doesn't even name JBR or Patsy by name, only referring seethingly to John. "Your not the only fat-cat around John, etc". Most people think the killing was sexually motivated, but it could have been staged that way just to emotionally hurt Mr. Ramsey and Patsy all the more, or to throw people off. After all, I think that police have always said the crime scene was staged. they might have got that one thing right for a change.

TracyLynnS
05-24-2013, 05:03 PM
I'm a little bit confused by the following:

Things found at the crime scene which were out of place, or suspected of being related to the crime or obviously connected to the crime and not claimed by the Ramseys as their own or acknowledged by them as being out of place. In other words, these are items that might be construed, or misconstrued, as staged items, by either an intruder(s) or the Ramseys

I haven't followed either of these cases closely but I don't remember this about the Ramsey scene. Is the quoted statement meaning that there were items (including this book, Whirlwind) that were left in the Ramsey home at the time of the crime but did not belong to them? Or do they just not remember owning the items? Or don't remember who left them there or when they were left there?

Franklin
05-24-2013, 05:55 PM
I'm a little bit confused by the following:

I haven't followed either of these cases closely but I don't remember this about the Ramsey scene. Is the quoted statement meaning that there were items (including this book, Whirlwind) that were left in the Ramsey home at the time of the crime but did not belong to them? Or do they just not remember owning the items? Or don't remember who left them there or when they were left there?

It's very hard to find reference on the net to the extra books found at the Ramsey house, but I read it on Websleuths which is usually pretty accurate. Below I link to a police transcript where they are asking Patsy about the books origins. A couple of the books were in Dutch, and Patsy claims that neither she or John speaks Dutch. The Dutch books plots were James Bondish like the others. (available in English translation if anyone wants a book to read off Amazon)

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9945

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682515/The%20House

http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID79/546.html

Franklin
05-24-2013, 06:04 PM
I'm a little bit confused by the following:

I haven't followed either of these cases closely but I don't remember this about the Ramsey scene. Is the quoted statement meaning that there were items (including this book, Whirlwind) that were left in the Ramsey home at the time of the crime but did not belong to them? Or do they just not remember owning the items? Or don't remember who left them there or when they were left there?

Description of Paul Douglas Peters using Baseball Bat used to threaten Madeleine Pulver, from here:
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2015927473_neckbomb17.html
"Pulver was studying for high-school exams Aug. 3 in her bedroom when she saw the intruder walk in carrying a black aluminum baseball bat and wearing a striped, multicolored balaclava. "Sit down and no one needs to get hurt," he told her."

And here is a link with a photo of Paul Douglas Peters buying a black aluminum baseball bat in Australia before using it in his ransom attempt. (thought the handle of the bat looks white to me"
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/15428633/how-cops-caught-paul-peters/

And here is a reference and a link to a photo of the BLACK ALUMINUM BASEBALL BAT found at the Ramsey house.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682515/The%20House#TheBaseballBat

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/art/extra/ramsey/thm/img072.html

Franklin
06-07-2013, 03:02 PM
I'm a little bit confused by the following:

................but I don't remember this about the Ramsey scene. Is the quoted statement meaning that there were items (including this book, Whirlwind) that were left in the Ramsey home at the time of the crime but did not belong to them? Or do they just not remember owning the items? Or don't remember who left them there or when they were left there?


"Concerning parallels in psychology between the two crimes and all the stuff apparently left at the Ramsey crime scene, here is a quote and a link to a Mosman Collar Bomb article:
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/nsw-act/collar-bomb-hoaxer-paul-douglas-peters-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-jail-over-madeleine-pulver-ordeal/story-fndo4bst-1226520035694

He told a psychiatrist that he had to find "an ingenious way to trap myself" because he was drinking heavily and knew he needed help. "I had to catch myself out," the court heard Peters said. "I had to lay evidence along the way to trap myself "

The court heard Peters started to merge himself with John Chan, one of the characters in his book and was looking "for dual revenge- for Chan and for me."
He told psychiatrist Bruce Westmore that Madeleine was a random victim. "(Her identity) is not relevant at all, I've never met her in my life," he said."

I think that Peters is still trying to present the illusion of being in full control, as if he wanted to get caught, as if to say to the police "I am not really under your control". He didn't leave the clues for wanting to get caught though, but because of bad planning in his efforts to extort money. I do believe the part though about "inflicting dual revenge".

I think that Peters is the type of guy like the small town politician who mangles up your pet cat and leaves it on your doorstep (or has his soldiers do it for him). They would never mangle up someones pet poodle for the sake of enjoying sadism. Their pleasure comes from the emotional turmoil inflicted upon the pets owner.

In the case of JBR, it sounds like a similar perpetrator. That scenario would coincide with the BPDepartments assertion that the crime was staged to look like a sadistic sexual crime. He may have had no particular desire for sado-sexual satisfactions, but like a small-town politician mangling his opponents pet-poodle, it is just a means to another end, psychological abuse. If helping homeless bag-ladies would have inflicted emotional turmoil on John Ramsey, he would open a homeless shelter, not for its own altruistic reward though (i.e. not for the satisfaction of helping others who are less fortunate), like many politicians, a means to an end.

Concerning the clues and junk left at the Ramsey crime scene,
http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID79/546.html
I think that, like any common stalker, they want to "live" inside the mind of their target (target being John Ramsey, and NOT JBR) Somehow the clues (the Whirlwind novel, etc) by telling John Ramsey about himself through clues, the perpetrator gains some satisfaction.

Franklin
11-11-2015, 11:08 PM
Revisiting the theory of a possible connection between the Mosman Collar Bomb Extortionist and the Jonbenet Ramsey killer:

The Ramsey's maids name was Linda Hoffmann Pugh.
Mosman Collar Bomber Paul Peters wife's maiden name was Hoffman, but only spelled with One "N".
The reason I ponder these names is, if there was a relation between the maid and the Peters, that would offer the opportunity for information about the Ramsey's to find its way to the Peters. (through the related Hoffman's)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0E5_RIzwLQ

Franklin
11-11-2015, 11:14 PM
Another interesting corrolation that has come to mind lately are the signatures on the two ransom notes (the Mosman Collar Bomber note and the Jonbenet Ramsey ransom note)

The Mosman ransom note is signed "Dirk Struan", the swashbuckeling 1840's ship captain from the fictional novel "Tai-Pan"
.
The Jonbenet note is signed "Victory, S.B.T.C", which some people in sailing circles say means "Victory, Signed By The Captain".

So if this corrolation is meaningful, then both ransom notes are signed by Sea Captains.
Notice note comparisons here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n60e2ltI0W8

Franklin
11-11-2015, 11:42 PM
I always found the ransom note puzzling,quoting as it did a near exact figure of the father's bonus. Of course they couldn't rule out the mother as the writer of that note. I believe an investigator also found stun gun marks on JonBenet. I don't know if the collar guy had any prior association with that method of crime?

I find the ransom notes request for $118,000 puzzling as well. It is the exact amount of Mr. Ramsey's bonus from his job.

If a random intruder lingered in the house for hours when the Ramsey's were away, he could have lifted the number out of their bank statement or other records. If that is the case, then the $118K figure doesn't cull down the pool of possible suspects at all.

But if that $118K figure was not likely to be available to any strangers, then the suspect pool are the people that Patsy/John Ramsey told of the $118K bonus, or the snooping maid and her family, plus everyone these people could have told. So probably about 500 possible people. And anyone from his job who knew of the bonus.
When questioned, a busybody maid would probably deny going through the Ramseys banking documents of through their trash looking at their paystubs.
I notice that, coincidentally, Linda Hoffmann Pugh's name has similarities to the Mosman Collar Bomber's wife's maiden name, which is Hoffman (with only One "N" at the end)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0E5_RIzwLQ

neognosis
11-12-2015, 12:56 AM
so your theory would imply Paul Peters DNA is on jonbenet long johns

Franklin
11-12-2015, 08:45 AM
so your theory would imply Paul Peters DNA is on jonbenet long johns
I don't know if Paul Peters is a legitimate suspect, but what I do know is that Law Enforcement should include his DNA profile in the American criminal DNA database if they haven't already.
He was arrested by the FBI in 2011 and then extradited immediately to Australia. One would think that the FBI would have aquired a DNA sample upon his arrest, but I don't know because even in the last few years DNA procedures and protocols have evolved.
I wonder if the Australian and USA DNA databases are compatible, and if the two systems would detect a match if there was one?

If it so happens that Peters DNA is already in the database, and if there hasn't been a match on the computer between his DNA and the JBR longjohns DNA, then he is much less of a suspect, unless the source of the longjohns DNA turns out to be from a legitimate source such as a Chinese Garment Factory or something, which would make everyone a suspect again.