While most of UM's stories were mysterious and intriguing, I must say there were a handful of segments that I would call BS on.

Jim Boumgarten--Made a thread on this in the past. The "mystery" was just too easily solvable to have had to had an entire segment devoted to it.

The Hum--This is called "tinnitus." It's not an unsolved mystery, it's a documented medical condition.

Men in Black--No proof of anything. And even if, seeing men in dark suits with lighter-than-average facial hair is hardly worthy of national TV.

Curtis Borton--Like the Men in Black segment, there is no way to prove any of the tales told in this one. The segment lost all credibility when the sister chose not to approach the man. Whenever a person involved in a mystery ignores an opportunity to solve it, they are less about closure and more about publicity.

Does anything else ring a bell?

The radio murder confession was proved to be false and updated as such on UM.

I do think you're being a bit hard on Curtis' sister. The segment MAY have been wishful thinking, but I don't think it was intentionally false.

-Any segment involving demon posession seemed fake to me.
-I think the Alan Mann/Mann family haunted house in Florida was just overactive imaginations and that the house was not haunted at all.
-The lady that had gold growing out of her body was definitely a fake, IMO.

the dude who rain followed everywhere

While most of UM's stories were mysterious and intriguing, I must say there were a handful of segments that I would call BS on.

Jim Boumgarten--Made a thread on this in the past. The "mystery" was just too easily solvable to have had to had an entire segment devoted to it.

The Hum--This is called "tinnitus." It's not an unsolved mystery, it's a documented medical condition.

Men in Black--No proof of anything. And even if, seeing men in dark suits with lighter-than-average facial hair is hardly worthy of national TV.

Curtis Borton--Like the Men in Black segment, there is no way to prove any of the tales told in this one. The segment lost all credibility when the sister chose not to approach the man. Whenever a person involved in a mystery ignores an opportunity to solve it, they are less about closure and more about publicity.

Does anything else ring a bell?

The Hum was not tinnitus. For it to be tinnitus it would've had to have been the most widespread epidemic of tinnitus the world has ever seen. Something in the radius of where those people were hearing the hum was generating the sound that all the individuals heard.

Boumgarten and Borton to me were obvious hoaxes. The Borton case reads right out of pure detective fiction.

Whether or not you believe in The Men In Black segment boils down to how much you buy into UFO conspiracy theories I suppose.

The fertility statues is a disgrace to UM, IMO.

Bee sting healing is an interesting idea but I still don't see how it should be an unsolved mystery. Similar to this would be pets who saved their owners' lives; though interesting, they don't quite fit the UM style.

Sleepwalking, spontaneous combustion.

How about all those "amnesia" patients who upon identification suddenly discover they're wanted on criminal charges of various sorts? :)

Can't forget to include Ed Walters and the Gulf Breeze UFO case, which was officially exposed to be a complete hoax. Because of this, UM didn't even include the segment on their UFO DVD set.

I always loved Robert Stack's update when he announced that the radio murder confession was a hoax. You could tell from his voice that he was legitimately pissed!

Can't forget to include Ed Walters and the Gulf Breeze UFO case, which was officially exposed to be a complete hoax. Because of this, UM didn't even include the segment on their UFO DVD set.

I always loved Robert Stack's update when he announced that the radio murder confession was a hoax. You could tell from his voice that he was legitimately pissed!

That was such a great moment. It was then I realized that Robert Stack really cared about these cases and wasn't just doing a job.

How about all those "amnesia" patients who upon identification suddenly discover they're wanted on criminal charges of various sorts? :)

It's funny someone should bring this up, as I was thinking about such cases not long ago. While the people featured were obviously looking for a convenient way out of their problems, the stories were certainly intriguing when they first aired and had yet to be "solved". The advent of the internet has rendered such entertainment antiquated. Too bad; it certainly beat reality TV!

Who was the first person to be featured in one of these hoaxes? Tyler?

Then there was the case of Craig Williamson, who may have created his own alibi through watching such UM cases!:)

The fertility statues is a disgrace to UM, IMO.

Bee sting healing is an interesting idea but I still don't see how it should be an unsolved mystery. Similar to this would be pets who saved their owners' lives; though interesting, they don't quite fit the UM style.

Sleepwalking, spontaneous combustion.

How is that bogus? It really happens to people. My brother used to suffer from it.

Yeah, are you talking about the kid who ran into the truck?

Sleepwalking happens.

I'm not really saying it's bogus, just that I don't see the whole rationale behind showing such cases on UM; putting it on UM is kind of like comparing apples and oranges.

I'm not really saying it's bogus, just that I don't see the whole rationale behind showing such cases on UM; putting it on UM is kind of like comparing apples and oranges.

As has been discussed much previously UM went off the deep end around 1995 or so when they began favoring segments on phenomena as opposed to the true crime fare that had previously been their hallmark. By strictest definition both types of segments fall into the category of mysteries but I easily see your point. The show really did become akin to apples and oranges then which is why for the most part a lot of the cases that were profiled during those years aren't as highly regarded as the ones profiled in years previous, right or wrong.

Ah, so more of a "jumped the shark" sort of bogus, not fake bogus.

I don't really watch or pay attention to the ghost segments or unexplained things (unless it's murder or missing people) so I can't really comment....

But I will agree that Stack was NOT happy when he was updating on the bogus phone call!!! I'll also agree that the lady that had gold coming out of her body was a fraud.

I think another bogus moment was the "Judith Hyams is alive and she lives in Omaha" phone call. Puleeze. Obviously someone made the call, either as a prank or to get someone to look into the case....or maybe they truly believed they saw her, but come on, she hadn't been seen or heard of for more than 20 years. Those phone calls were bogus.

The Hum was not tinnitus. For it to be tinnitus it would've had to have been the most widespread epidemic of tinnitus the world has ever seen. Something in the radius of where those people were hearing the hum was generating the sound that all the individuals heard.

Yes. Tinnitus is also pretty well consistently described as high- to medium-pitch "ringing" by patients, not like a motor or persistent low tones with vibrations so severe they interfered in certain individuals' daily lives. I definitely think "The Hum" was an appropriate UM segment.

Personally, I was never sold on that segment about the two French pilots and their plane, the White Bird, crashing into the Maine woods.

The Curt Borton segment wasn't "bogus" per se, I think it was more wishful thinking on the family's part.

The two segments that immediately come to mind are:

- The man who claimed to have rain follow him everywhere and anywhere he went, it rained. Even indoors.

- The Wackers. I've said repeatedly that I believe they did it to themselves.

The Georgia Rudolph segment is such a weird anomaly in that it's one of the most well-produced segments UM ever made and is very enjoyable to watch... but it pretty much throws all credibility right out the window when they show the shot of the grandmother's gravestone and you can see that her date of death was 1939! So... Georgia Rudolph is the reincarnation of a girl who drowned in 1914, yet somehow visited her grandmother's grave 25 years before she died? :rolleyes:

I don't understand why some people think that the Curt Borton segment is bogus. Even if it turns out that the family is chasing false hope, I think that, considering some of the events that took place in the years since (especially the SSN incident), the family has every reason in the world to be suspicious. Ultimately, I believe that, regardless of whether Curt is alive or dead at this point, the U.S. government probably has all the answers to all of the family's questions.

I don't understand why some people think that the Curt Borton segment is bogus. Even if it turns out that the family is chasing false hope, I think that, considering some of the events that took place in the years since (especially the SSN incident), the family has every reason in the world to be suspicious. Ultimately, I believe that, regardless of whether Curt is alive or dead at this point, the U.S. government probably has all the answers to all of the family's questions.

Best reply I've heard on here in awhile, and it's all true.

I don't understand why some people think that the Curt Borton segment is bogus. Even if it turns out that the family is chasing false hope, I think that, considering some of the events that took place in the years since (especially the SSN incident), the family has every reason in the world to be suspicious. Ultimately, I believe that, regardless of whether Curt is alive or dead at this point, the U.S. government probably has all the answers to all of the family's questions.


Yep. I think someone was askew as well.

While I think the hum was an appropriate segment,I do think some of the hearers of it may have tinnitus.I did notice the guy on there had a hearing test done by a Dr.,and the results were not shared with the viewers.Had the Dr said he could find nothing wrong,that would have added to his credibility,at least in my opinion.

- The Wackers. I've said repeatedly that I belioeve they did it to themselves.

Wow, really? While I think what was happening to them was extremely rare over the course of ten plus years, I still have no doubts that they were innocent victims.

I think the Oliver the Chimp segment was kind of bogus. Didn't they already know he was a primate before filming? What was the mystery there?

I don't think the Wackers did it to themselves. I do, however, wonder if it wasn't someone in their inner circle.

The magic rock segment has to go down as the single stupidest segment they ever ran on this show. Yes, even stupider than the gold foil lady and the fertility statues. The mystery can be summed up as this: family finds a weird-looking rock and all of a sudden, things in their life change for the better. It's oh, so mysterious, especially if you've never in your life heard of the word coincidence.

The magic rock segment has to go down as the single stupidest segment they ever ran on this show. Yes, even stupider than the gold foil lady and the fertility statues. The mystery can be summed up as this: family finds a weird-looking rock and all of a sudden, things in their life change for the better. It's oh, so mysterious, especially if you've never in your life heard of the word coincidence.

I don't know, I'm not big on hating on the magic rock. Yeah, the segment was pretty silly. Yeah, you could pretty well call out a number of reality-based things that contributed to the up-turn in circumstances. But it's gentle and whimsical, and good God, it was a nice break from missing loved ones, murder, rape, and death.

I thought the Katie-the-gold-foil lady segment was WAY dumber.

I actually love the magic rock segment. The music is whimsical and enchanting, the family gives a very pleasant interview, and the dialogue is hilarious in the reenactments.

''It's got all the aspects of nature''- said no 12-year-old boy ever :lol:



What I don't understand is why aphrodesiacs got their own segment. Seriously? That segment doesn't even ponder why they work or any mystery about it, if I recall correctly. They just interview a guy who is working 18 hours a day and exhausted and then eats aphrodesiacs by accident, gives them to his girlfriend, and they have a ''steamy'' evening. I couldn't believe they made a segment with some guy talking about how aphrodesiacs gave him a spiced up date night! :lol: And listening to RS muse about oysters provoking thoughts of sex and not to give aphrodesiacs out without their knowledge and consent was also comedy cold! So I can't say I hate the segment just because it's so funny- but where the heck is the mystery? Why aphrodesiacs work the way they do? Who cares?!

The magic rock segment has to go down as the single stupidest segment they ever ran on this show. Yes, even stupider than the gold foil lady and the fertility statues. The mystery can be summed up as this: family finds a weird-looking rock and all of a sudden, things in their life change for the better. It's oh, so mysterious, especially if you've never in your life heard of the word coincidence.

The "magic rock" segment is a weird one. It's a lot of fun to be sure but I believe is a prime example of UM attempting to test the audience for a type of segment like that. It's important to remember that only a couple of weeks before the "magic rock" segment aired, UM aired it's first "Lost Loves" case which at the time was pretty much a novelty for the series and became one of the hallmarks of the show.

I wonder where they found some of these stories though? I mean the "magic rock" segment seems so out of left field it makes me think that perhaps UM solicited the segment themselves and not the other way around. Perhaps they put out the dragnet for any strange or bizarre stories that would possibly make interesting segments and the "magic rock" segment was the result. Again very strange and probably a result of UM trying to test the waters for the first time on segments regarding mystical phenomena.

What I don't understand is why aphrodesiacs got their own segment. Seriously? That segment doesn't even ponder why they work or any mystery about it, if I recall correctly. They just interview a guy who is working 18 hours a day and exhausted and then eats aphrodesiacs by accident, gives them to his girlfriend, and they have a ''steamy'' evening. I couldn't believe they made a segment with some guy talking about how aphrodesiacs gave him a spiced up date night! :lol: And listening to RS muse about oysters provoking thoughts of sex and not to give aphrodesiacs out without their knowledge and consent was also comedy cold! So I can't say I hate the segment just because it's so funny- but where the heck is the mystery? Why aphrodesiacs work the way they do? Who cares?!
I agree.It's like they wanted viewers to think the chocolates actually solved the whole problem of the guy overworking and were something magical.really silly.

What about the stupid fertility statues? I was waiting for an UPDATE with Stack to confirm that the statues were in fact not responsible for the births of children but rather the basic birds and the bees.

What about the stupid fertility statues? I was waiting for an UPDATE with Stack to confirm that the statues were in fact not responsible for the births of children but rather the basic birds and the bees.

I think the statues were actually responsible in a way. I think they were big goofy wooden placebos. Having something to believe in, to think they would get pregnant, probably relaxed some women enough to unstress their bodies and allow them to become pregnant. Sort of like the women who get pregnant after adopting kids. Stress can cause fertility issues.

I think the statues were actually responsible in a way. I think they were big goofy wooden placebos. Having something to believe in, to think they would get pregnant, probably relaxed some women enough to unstress their bodies and allow them to become pregnant. Sort of like the women who get pregnant after adopting kids. Stress can cause fertility issues.

Stress can cause issues, but most women have to "schedule" times to which they can conceive (ovulation). The women that got pregnant after seeing those statues no doubt knew the time was ripe to get pregnant, based on their schedule. The statues had no impact on it, IMO. I'm sure there were couples who saw them and touched them that it had no impact on whatsoever.

What about the stupid fertility statues? I was waiting for an UPDATE with Stack to confirm that the statues were in fact not responsible for the births of children but rather the basic birds and the bees.

:lol: After the segment aired, I actually had hilarious visions of some prankster calling the Telecenter to provide that info.

What's funny is that when I first watched that segment, I thought they were to reveal some big medical mystery where women had touched the statues and then gotten pregnant without even having sex. But, no, it was just like: "They touched the statues, tried to get pregnant and then, uh... got pregnant".

Stress can cause issues, but most women have to "schedule" times to which they can conceive (ovulation). The women that got pregnant after seeing those statues no doubt knew the time was ripe to get pregnant, based on their schedule. The statues had no impact on it, IMO. I'm sure there were couples who saw them and touched them that it had no impact on whatsoever.

Yeah, I have ovaries, I know how they work. :lol:

What I meant is that some women put so much pressure on themselves to get pregnant that they actually trigger the body's stress response to not get pregnant because the body is trying to save itself. Sort of how some women take 5 or 6 years to get pregnant the first time and once the pressure's off, they suddenly find themselves with another baby like 12 months later because they figure they won't get pregnant again that soon. Or how some women adopt because they can't conceive only to get pregnant after they adopt.

Yeah, I have ovaries, I know how they work. :lol:

:lol: For some reason, I had you pegged as a guy. Oh well, you would know more about ovaries than I would.

:lol: For some reason, I had you pegged as a guy. Oh well, you would know more about ovaries than I would.

Everyone does, I think it's because Necco ends in an O. That's what I get for picking my username in honor of a candy that tastes vaguely like Skittles and chalk had a baby.

The Men In Black segment was probably the weakest. The 1st guy was weird and kind of weak but the girl was too much. Seeing a random guy in the street and not even interacting with him and he's a man in black because he looked evil. Weakest thing ever. It was a definite mystery to tie with the Men in Black film.

Other mysteries could be weak but besides the leaf thing, there is a difference from really weak mystery to intentionally bogus.

The Men In Black segment was probably the weakest. The 1st guy was weird and kind of weak but the girl was too much. Seeing a random guy in the street and not even interacting with him and he's a man in black because he looked evil. Weakest thing ever. It was a definite mystery to tie with the Men in Black film.

Yes! :lol: I agree; it was very weak.

That ridiculous segment with those idiotic schoolgirls dancing around in the forest looking up at the Sun streaming through the tress. They claimed it was some type of divine intervention. What a load of garbage! :mad:

I'd like to add Blair Adams to this list. While the segment was extremely intriguing and darkly entertaining, I could never sink my teeth into this one. While I do believe he was murdered, I think the whole backstory of the car keys, the plane ticket, the paranoia, etc. was either put together by the interviewees, fabricated by UM, or a combination of both.

The Fertility Statues segment is one of those types of things that's just too weird to ever really be "solved" in the strongest sense of that word, but there is one very simple concept that I don't recall the segment going into any detail about, that might, at the very least, prove or disprove whether or not the women who were interviewed are deliberately making up their stories.

The children should be DNA tested against the women's husbands/boyfriends to see if they all match up as the fathers of the children.

I don't remember the man's name, but UM did a segment on a soldier who ran into someone at a train station during World War II who looked so much like him they could almost be twins. They exchanged information, but the subject of the UM episode said he lost the slip of paper with all the info on it and couldn't remember any details. Something about this segment just didn't ring true to me. Why didn't the man's "twin" follow up on the contact info he was given?

I usually enjoyed the "Lost Love" segments and found many of them to be very moving, but there was another case that seemed a little odd as well. A woman was looking for a teacher who had befriended her many years earlier and took her to several classical music concerts. The woman later had some kind of health problem that caused her occasional memory problems. She wanted to find the teacher and thank her for being kind to her, but had no idea where she was. I know this was in the days before the internet, but I would think the school would have some record of her possible location. I believe the teacher's family was fairly prominent in the community,
and just can't imagine she would have fallen completely off the radar without anyone knowing where she moved.

I'd like to add Blair Adams to this list. While the segment was extremely intriguing and darkly entertaining, I could never sink my teeth into this one. While I do believe he was murdered, I think the whole backstory of the car keys, the plane ticket, the paranoia, etc. was either put together by the interviewees, fabricated by UM, or a combination of both.

Why would people who don't know each other all thru 2 countries get together to come up with the same story. Plus I'm pretty sure they had evidence like him buying a ticket to Frankfurt, cleaning his bank account and then crossing the US border.

Am I the only one who couldn't see the difference in the before and after pictures of the blinking crucifix?

Don't mess with Blair Adams. I use it all the time to scare myself when I'm alone in the middle of the night and can't sleep. Mostly because I'm sick deep-down and have no real life to speak of.
But if elements of the case weren't completely true/real,it would ruin my own scare tactics that I like to impose upon myself when I'm craving a good scare,and need something more than Cindy James. :eyes2:

I always loved Robert Stack's update when he announced that the radio murder confession was a hoax. You could tell from his voice that he was legitimately pissed!

Just rewatched this segment. His voice reminded me of the way I used to feel (as a criminal defense attorney) when I would get a client a really awesome result and they'd be back in jail a week later on something new. :mad: :mad:

Am I the only one who couldn't see the difference in the before and after pictures of the blinking crucifix?

You're not the only one. I always thought they looked identical and had no idea what the people of that town were seeing. The update clearly shows that they looked the same before and after the repainting was done.

There are a lot of good ones on here.

Sleepwalking is very real and is mysterious if you ask me. It kind of falls in line with dreaming and what happens after we die? We really don't know the answer. i can see why people dismiss it because if you don't have vivid dreams or never sleptwalked before it might look ridiculous when watching the re-enactments.

Not all of the ghosts segments or UFO segments are fake, but I do believe there are a lot of scientific explinations or phenomena that has not been discovered. The Marfa Lights always intrigued me.

The phoenix lights episode may have been solved. about 5-6 years ago someone got caught attaching wal-mart lantirns to helium balloons and releasing them into the air. not necessarily a good solve, but obviously shows there are people out there trying to create a story.

the one that gets me is the haunted house in texas. the cowboy that was featured in that segment looked like a joke(almost as if he was acting). re-watch if you get a chance. the house is probably just old and makes noises on its own. houses do that.

That ridiculous segment with those idiotic schoolgirls dancing around in the forest looking up at the Sun streaming through the tress. They claimed it was some type of divine intervention. What a load of garbage! :mad:

The "Kentucky Visions" segment. There was a man that studied the photos and pretty much said there was no divine intervention, and that the picture of the "tombstone" actually came from the pack of film used to take the photos. While I do believe there have been some pretty good religious sightings out there, this one was really hard to swallow.

Am I the only one who couldn't see the difference in the before and after pictures of the blinking crucifix?

Nope I really didnt notice anything either. I will never believe stories about religious statues crying, blinking, or heavenly visions appearing on certain things or "pictures". Not trying to bash anyone who does believe in such things, but as for me.. not my thing.

Nope I really didnt notice anything either. I will never believe stories about religious statues crying, blinking, or heavenly visions appearing on certain things or "pictures". Not trying to bash anyone who does believe in such things, but as for me.. not my thing.

See, that's the thing, I usually DO believe a lot of those kinds of stories. But yeah, I saw nothing.

I don't remember the man's name, but UM did a segment on a soldier who ran into someone at a train station during World War II who looked so much like him they could almost be twins. They exchanged information, but the subject of the UM episode said he lost the slip of paper with all the info on it and couldn't remember any details. Something about this segment just didn't ring true to me. Why didn't the man's "twin" follow up on the contact info he was given?

I usually enjoyed the "Lost Love" segments and found many of them to be very moving, but there was another case that seemed a little odd as well. A woman was looking for a teacher who had befriended her many years earlier and took her to several classical music concerts. The woman later had some kind of health problem that caused her occasional memory problems. She wanted to find the teacher and thank her for being kind to her, but had no idea where she was. I know this was in the days before the internet, but I would think the school would have some record of her possible location. I believe the teacher's family was fairly prominent in the community,
and just can't imagine she would have fallen completely off the radar without anyone knowing where she moved.

Ken Palmer. He somehow lost the contact information of the other guy. Sometimes I wonder if there was a twin too but I don't want to totally disbelieve it either.

The second one is Deloris Brooks. She had Reye's syndrome that caused her to lose parts of her memory. She later remembered Madeline Strauss, her teacher, but sadly hasn't found her. I would think they would have some sort of information as to where Madeline Strauss is now but has never surfaced.

Anything paranormal or when a 'psychic' is called in to make generalities.

Monsters like lake monsters and bigfoot... I kind of get because they can be conclusively proven (nothing yet!) and if nothing else it is an interesting cultural aberration.

I have actually seen the Marfa lights. When I stationed in Fort Hood my wife and I took a trip out there. It's fairly well known to be an inversion mirage and headlights from a distant highway but very eerie nonetheless.

Since the yt takedown where are you guys still finding these?

As has been discussed much previously UM went off the deep end around 1995 or so when they began favoring segments on phenomena as opposed to the true crime fare that had previously been their hallmark. By strictest definition both types of segments fall into the category of mysteries but I easily see your point. The show really did become akin to apples and oranges then which is why for the most part a lot of the cases that were profiled during those years aren't as highly regarded as the ones profiled in years previous, right or wrong.


I know I'm almost 4 years late on this one, but is there a thread dedicated to this topic (post '95 episodes going off the deep end)?

It's never too late to bump an old thread if you've got something to add. We're dealing in mainly cold cases here, people! :)

...I forgot that UM covered the crop circle phenomenon. I thought that was just that old sci-fi reality show "Sightings" that covered that. Anyone else watch that as a youth?

The Wackers - I mean, it's possible, but the drop of that rock on the night of the stakeout led me to believe it's bogus. Also, stealing and returning their items. Also Dorothy being tied up and hit over the head, but was conveniently enough placed by the window so she could yell to the neighbors seemed too....convenient . As was someone stealing their stuff, and returning it seemed too....convenient.

It's also hard to believe that someone who terrorize them this much over the years, but never did anything else physical to them is hard to believe. One, or both of the people in that house was in on it, or maybe the producers. Maybe ratings were slipping and they needed a "good story". Who knows.

The Wackers - I mean, it's possible, but the drop of that rock on the night of the stakeout led me to believe it's bogus. Also, stealing and returning their items. Also Dorothy being tied up and hit over the head, but was conveniently enough placed by the window so she could yell to the neighbors seemed too....convenient . As was someone stealing their stuff, and returning it seemed too....convenient.

It's also hard to believe that someone who terrorize them this much over the years, but never did anything else physical to them is hard to believe. One, or both of the people in that house was in on it, or maybe the producers. Maybe ratings were slipping and they needed a "good story". Who knows.

Aww, man. You're poking the bear here... the Wackers have the distinction of being the most discussed case on the UM threads... :)

Aww, man. You're poking the bear here... the Wackers have the distinction of being the most discussed case on the UM threads... :)

Haha, I'm not trying to get the mob riled up, but it just seems phony. It could be real, I'm not saying I'm 100% certain, but it did seem odd. If anything it's questionable, but I don't know.

Nope I really didnt notice anything either. I will never believe stories about religious statues crying, blinking, or heavenly visions appearing on certain things or "pictures". Not trying to bash anyone who does believe in such things, but as for me.. not my thing.

Yep. All garbage. The blinking crucifix, the Shroud of Turin, the holy grail, Noah's Ark, Reincarnation, etc. I can't believe UM wasted so much time and money on religious-based segments that were simply mythology at best and flat out BS at worst.

Most of the ghost stories seemed to be unbelievable as well, but at least they were mildly entertaining. The Tallman's ghost segment (80s horror/psychological thriller with good production) along with the one with the young couple where the wife who weighed 99 pounds soaking wet attacked and physically dominated her morbidly obese husband in the "throes of passion" (screwball comedy) are at least fun to watch. Anything with even the slightest religious tone makes me cringe though.

I'm indifferent as far as the UFO segments are concerned. The Roswell segment was extremely well done from a production standpoint and I can sit through it pretty much any time and be entertained. A lot of the lesser known ones kind of fall flat to me. So many of these 80s UFO sightings and videos have proven to be hoaxes (Gulf Breeze being the biggest culprit) yet UM kept churning them out. I'm of the opinion that some sort of intelligent life other than ourselves must exist somewhere in a universe as vast as ours, but who am I to say that they've made it here yet? In any event, any forward thinking person has to find it far more believable that intelligent life exists outside of our planet than believing that a 500+ year old man crammed 16,000+ animals onto a "magic" boat that was less than half the size of The Queen Mary and floated around with them all for 5 months. :lol:

I haven't read this whole thread, but if it hasn't been brought up yet, I'll add the Teresita Basa to this list.

Obviously the information was correct, but I don't believe for a second that she came from beyond thought the lady in the story. I think they were fed the information by someone else, who either knew or suspected what Allan Showery did.

general Wayne inn. The Cadillac part especially and the inn keeper telling the valet attendant to relax always makes me laugh.

general Wayne inn. The Cadillac part especially and the inn keeper telling the valet attendant to relax always makes me laugh.

I do love that segment, though. :lol:

The actual murder at the General Wayne Inn in the '90s would've made a good segment.

I do love that segment, though. :lol:

The actual murder at the General Wayne Inn in the '90s would've made a good segment.
Absolutely!

It would, but wasn't it solved right away? The chef and the owner, right? Just trying to remember the FF episode

It would, but wasn't it solved right away? The chef and the owner, right? Just trying to remember the FF episode

I thought there wasn't a conviction until the early '00s, but I could be thinking of another case.

Don't mess with Blair Adams. I use it all the time to scare myself when I'm alone in the middle of the night and can't sleep. Mostly because I'm sick deep-down and have no real life to speak of.
But if elements of the case weren't completely true/real,it would ruin my own scare tactics that I like to impose upon myself when I'm craving a good scare,and need something more than Cindy James. :eyes2:

Yeah, seriously, Blair Adams is one of the quintessential bizarre Unsolved Mysteries cases.

Ken Palmer. He somehow lost the contact information of the other guy. Sometimes I wonder if there was a twin too but I don't want to totally disbelieve it either.

I thought of this case immediately when I saw this thread. I was not surprised to find that it was never "solved." The guy is clearly delusional or making it up.

Rudolf Hess

The more that the segment went on, the more I wondered why UM even bothered to film it in the first place. We are supposed to believe that a doppleganger would first commit suicide shortly after imprisonment without revealing his true identity, and then after the war was over, go to trial, remain silent about his true identity, get convicted, and then remain silent for the next 40+ years? Don't buy it. It was the real Hess and all that bunk about doubles and dopplegangers was ridiculous. Same with his death. Why wait until the man is 93 years old to murder him?

Rudolf Hess

The more that the segment went on, the more I wondered why UM even bothered to film it in the first place. We are supposed to believe that a doppleganger would first commit suicide shortly after imprisonment without revealing his true identity, and then after the war was over, go to trial, remain silent about his true identity, get convicted, and then remain silent for the next 40+ years? Don't buy it. It was the real Hess and all that bunk about doubles and dopplegangers was ridiculous. Same with his death. Why wait until the man is 93 years old to murder him?
there are so many WW2 conspiracies in Europe. they come on tv daily especially with hitler because he did so many side deals obviously the whole thing with Russia. I have a hard time believing that he wanted a real peace treaty with the Brits unless it was to be used against them later and he just realized his survival was doomed at best so was trying to back track. I think the idea that he may have debated a peace deal with England is a interesting theory, but yeah just a conspiracy. I would be interested to see if GB really is releasing records on the topic.

Yep. All garbage. The blinking crucifix, the Shroud of Turin, the holy grail, Noah's Ark, Reincarnation, etc. I can't believe UM wasted so much time and money on religious-based segments that were simply mythology at best and flat out BS at worst.

Your opinions on this, which I share btw, are unfortunately in the minority in the US. I'm sure these stories spiked the ratings with a large portion of the American viewing population.

Another post talked about the decline in UM's quality post-1995 as the segments skewed more towards the paranormal and outrageous (or fake if want to know my word for it) and away from the true crime stories that started it. Why did they go that route? Maybe they didn't want to constantly overlap with America's Most Wanted. Maybe the ratings were dictating the content. There is a large contingent of the American public who prefers entertainment and feel-good stories over murders and missing persons in their prime time TV.

The Bible Code is utter nonsense. I liked Michael Shermer's analysis of it during the UM segment.

And James Van Praagh, oh how I despise that man!

Am I the only one who actually enjoyed the Bible Code stuff? So much I may have bought the book back in the day? :D

But yes, you can find a pattern in anything :)

Am I the only one who actually enjoyed the Bible Code stuff? So much I may have bought the book back in the day? :D

But yes, you can find a pattern in anything :)

Well, thankfully we didn't max out my credit cards in 2000 or 2006 (the World War prediction)

Well, thankfully we didn't max out my credit cards in 2000 or 2006 (the World War prediction)

OMG. I went to high school with a girl who believed the world was going to end in 2000. I graduated HS in 1997 and while we were all making plans for college, life after high school, etc., she did nothing. When questioned on it (I totally get college isn't for everyone and was just curious as to her plans after school), she told me that none of it mattered because the world was going to end. I was all, "Whaaaa?"

Couldn't convince her otherwise. I have no idea what happened to her after high school ended and the world kept spinning on January 1, 2000....

OMG. I went to high school with a girl who believed the world was going to end in 2000. I graduated HS in 1997 and while we were all making plans for college, life after high school, etc., she did nothing.

Maybe she joined Heaven's Gate? That sounds like their philosophy, and the time frame is similar. :p

Definitely Chair of Death and Men In Black; the supernatural and folklore segments required a suspension of disbelief but those two in particular were poorly produced.

It's been mentioned on here before, but the Clifford Sherwood segment focused completely on Clifford, with only a brief mention of the schoolmate that also went missing at the same time. I know UM didn't always present all of the facts but the promoting of a theory that didn't take George Gumbley into account was bogus.

Definitely Chair of Death and Men In Black; the supernatural and folklore segments required a suspension of disbelief but those two in particular were poorly produced.

It's been mentioned on here before, but the Clifford Sherwood segment focused completely on Clifford, with only a brief mention of the schoolmate that also went missing at the same time. I know UM didn't always present all of the facts but the promoting of a theory that didn't take George Gumbley into account was bogus.

I think that in the case of the Clifford Sherwood case, things went that direction due to the family's desire to believe that he was still alive because he'd been taken by his father. I agree that it was irresponsible, but I think a lot of cases went the direction the people involved wanted it to go. That's the only explanation for why UM aired some of the outlandish things they did when the segments were non-crime things (I'm looking at the magic rock of good fortune here).

Maybe she joined Heaven's Gate? That sounds like their philosophy, and the time frame is similar. :p
Bravo. :clap :clap :clap :clap

OMG. I went to high school with a girl who believed the world was going to end in 2000. I graduated HS in 1997 and while we were all making plans for college, life after high school, etc., she did nothing. When questioned on it (I totally get college isn't for everyone and was just curious as to her plans after school), she told me that none of it mattered because the world was going to end. I was all, "Whaaaa?"

Couldn't convince her otherwise. I have no idea what happened to her after high school ended and the world kept spinning on January 1, 2000....

I really wish UM would have covered Harold Camping, his biblical numerology, and his predictions about the end of the world. You know, in those later years when stuff like that was their primary wheelhouse.

I think that in the case of the Clifford Sherwood case, things went that direction due to the family's desire to believe that he was still alive because he'd been taken by his father. I agree that it was irresponsible, but I think a lot of cases went the direction the people involved wanted it to go.

I sympathized with Clifford's mom wanting to believe that his father abducted him, and it wasn't the only time UM took a parent's view (the theory that Lauren Jackson was given away by her mother, which I don't believe). It's still troubling that the UM producers were comfortable overlooking the other missing boy.

The Tallman's ghost was, IMO, not a hoax per se, but more of a power of suggestion type of thing.

Katey, the woman who could make gold "manifest" on her skin or diamonds come out of her eyes, was possibly the most B.S. segment in the show's history. I can't think of another that was more ridiculous or more obviously a hoax.

Katey, the woman who could make gold "manifest" on her skin or diamonds come out of her eyes, was possibly the most B.S. segment in the show's history. I can't think of another that was more ridiculous or more obviously a hoax.

It wasn't more of a hoax as I don't think that they were trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes, but the magic rock of good fortune was easily just as ridiculous.

The Tallman's ghost was, IMO, not a hoax per se, but more of a power of suggestion type of thing.

I'm with you on that since I don't believe in ghosts/spirits or what have you. That segment is just so damn entertaining to me and is the best ghost story they ever did from a production standpoint.

Now if those pesky indicators would stop moving on their own. :lol:

Katey, the woman who could make gold "manifest" on her skin or diamonds come out of her eyes, was possibly the most B.S. segment in the show's history. I can't think of another that was more ridiculous or more obviously a hoax.

I couldn't agree more. That segment should never have seen the light of day. The fact that woman got any press at all is a total joke.

It's never too late to bump an old thread if you've got something to add. We're dealing in mainly cold cases here, people! :)

...I forgot that UM covered the crop circle phenomenon. I thought that was just that old sci-fi reality show "Sightings" that covered that. Anyone else watch that as a youth?


Sightings! I remember watching that show in the mid 1990's. I even rushed out and bought the Sightings Book when it came out in 1996. I longer have it now unfortunately.

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The segments about ppl searching for "treasure" & "gold" were always bogus to me. And I agree with the posters who mentioned the rock & fertility statues.

Even as an atheist, I am fascinated by the religious type segments.

Never really thought there was much of a mystery to Sonny Liston's death. IIRC, he beat Chuck Wepner roughly 6 months prior to his death. If Liston was indeed supposed to throw the fight, I don't see how his killer/s would wait 6 months to extract revenge.

Any segment that doesn't have anything to do with murder, missing persons, or lost love.

UFO's, ghosts, magic rocks, faith healers, or anything else you'd see on the X-files is bogus. Especially those psychics.

Sightings! I remember watching that show in the mid 1990's. I even rushed out and bought the Sightings Book when it came out in 1996. I longer have it now unfortunately.

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Always saw it as a poor version of UM. Tim White had an awesome voice though.

Never really thought there was much of a mystery to Sonny Liston's death. IIRC, he beat Chuck Wepner roughly 6 months prior to his death. If Liston was indeed supposed to throw the fight, I don't see how his killer/s would wait 6 months to extract revenge.

I never knew what to think about Sonny Liston. On the one hand, you have a guy who had a very troubled life right up until the end, and a suicide doesn't seem too far out of the question. On the other, you have reports of him running with a bunch of alleged slimeballs who may have ended up killing him for God-knows-what stupid reason, or at least may have knowledge on who did.

If he was murdered, I don't think it had anything to do with the Wepner fight.

The psychic twins segment. I'm sitting here trying to come up with a rationalization as to why it was produced and aired, and can't come up with anything. You had 2 brothers who looked alike, drank the same beer (but they don't specify which brand), and carried their keys in a similar way. Then there were 2 other brothers who had exactly 1 incident of feeling pain in the same general area and roughly the same time. The only quasi-interesting thing was the hinted psychic connection between the twin sisters, but there was only 1 incident mentioned in the segment. Seemed like a waste of air time, IMO.

Spontaneous combustion exists

Shroud of Turin. Not gonna lie wish it were true. But 3 different scientists at leading universities dated it to the late Middle Ages. The fact that we have a masterpiece that old should still be appreciated.

The Zodiac-Unabomber connection segment.

The Zodiac-Unabomber connection segment.
Agree. I like the segment and find it entertaining, but it's just completely implausible.

My #1 bogus vote goes to the fertility statues. I'm glad many couples are happy with what they view to be the results of statue touching, but the only mystery here would have been if all of these women had had hysterectomies prior to conceiving. I guess it's a nice little segment to break away from crime, but that's about it.

My vote goes to the segment about Dr. Iben Browning who predicted that a catastrophic earthquake would hit the midwest in the fall of 1990. We are still waiting for it to happen.

I have no idea if the segment is on Amazon Prime, but I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled it. It wasn't syndicated on Lifetime so far as I recall.

My vote goes to the segment about Dr. Iben Browning who predicted that a catastrophic earthquake would hit the midwest in the fall of 1990. We are still waiting for it to happen.

I have no idea if the segment is on Amazon Prime, but I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled it. It wasn't syndicated on Lifetime so far as I recall.


it is not and it is obvious why lol

I do not believe anything on UM that is science/ or medical related.

I only watch UM for: unsolved murders, missing persons, conspiracy theories, and from time to time, lost loves (respectively in this order). Anything else seems too far fetch, IMO.

I did also like the rain man segment, I must admit. Who would have imagined him later to become an arsonist?

(Hey, but some of those UFO segments were good entertainment, right?)

I did also like the rain man segment, I must admit. Who would have imagined him later to become an arsonist?

Given all the rain falling around him all the time, he probably wasn't a very good arsonist.

To put it in perspective, I find the Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum story more believable than the majority of the recollections in the Curt Borton segment.

To put it in perspective, I find the Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum story more believable than the majority of the recollections in the Curt Borton segment.

I have no doubt whatsoever these two were telling the truth. Sadly this event lead to a demise in their health eventually costing them their lives.

I have no doubt whatsoever these two were telling the truth. Sadly this event lead to a demise in their health eventually costing them their lives.

Hate to be a killjoy, well, not really, but in another thread, I was given a link on the Cash-Landrum case. Apparently the ladies' case isn't as rock-solid as the UM segment would have you believe.

Link for those interested. (http://badufos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/between-beer-joint-and-some-kind-of.html)

Hate to be a killjoy, well, not really, but in another thread, I was given a link on the Cash-Landrum case. Apparently the ladies' case isn't as rock-solid as the UM segment would have you believe.

Link for those interested. (http://badufos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/between-beer-joint-and-some-kind-of.html)

Yep, seems more likely they had watched some alien films/tv shows & decided to create this incident for attention & a payout, how they thought they would get a huge settlement without releasing their medical records & producing zero evidence is incredible. That they would be willing to consume & splash bleach or whatever over themselves in a pathetic attempt to convince people they had radiation poisoning is frightening, reminds me of the Michalak incident, where he likely got drunk & burned himself.

The hum case did not really believe in it.

Yep, seems more likely they had watched some alien films/tv shows & decided to create this incident for attention & a payout, how they thought they would get a huge settlement without releasing their medical records & producing zero evidence is incredible. That they would be willing to consume & splash bleach or whatever over themselves in a pathetic attempt to convince people they had radiation poisoning is frightening, reminds me of the Michalak incident, where he likely got drunk & burned himself.
WOW! a UFO case where it wasn't as the Unsolved Mysteries episode portrayed it? Reminds me of the Roswell case and the Guardian case and the Gulf Breeze case, need I go on?
To answer the title topic the Green River Killer case was also fake as portrayed on UM.

WOW! a UFO case where it wasn't as the Unsolved Mysteries episode portrayed it? Reminds me of the Roswell case and the Guardian case and the Gulf Breeze case, need I go on?
To answer the title topic the Green River Killer case was also fake as portrayed on UM.

Ha, UM was a great show-but you always have to remember that they put a supernatural spin on the ghost/polt, UFO etc stuff rather than a skeptical view. It was about ratings & entertainment rather than rational thinking.

Nope I really didnt notice anything either. I will never believe stories about religious statues crying, blinking, or heavenly visions appearing on certain things or "pictures". Not trying to bash anyone who does believe in such things, but as for me.. not my thing.

Was the claim that the eyes stayed closed or did the statue return to normal?

If the comparison pic was taken by a researcher after the fact, then the change would not be there.

This reminded me of a network special in the late 90s where they used science to try and prove or debunk several "miracles". I don't remember anything specific off hand other than that they placed a rose pedal into a bible and it was suppose to transform or something.

I usually enjoyed the "Lost Love" segments and found many of them to be very moving, but there was another case that seemed a little odd as well. A woman was looking for a teacher who had befriended her many years earlier and took her to several classical music concerts. The woman later had some kind of health problem that caused her occasional memory problems. She wanted to find the teacher and thank her for being kind to her, but had no idea where she was. I know this was in the days before the internet, but I would think the school would have some record of her possible location. I believe the teacher's family was fairly prominent in the community,
and just can't imagine she would have fallen completely off the radar without anyone knowing where she moved.

I too had thought it strange a teacher couldnt be found.
Maybe the family went into witness protection? I am not trying to be funny.

I consider myself an open minded person and enjoy the more far out paranormal stuff, but I am still shaking my head over the Men in Black thing. Let me get this straight: the evidence is that a woman in New York who sees some guys in black suits that look shady. She never once interacted with them but jumps to a crazy conclusion based on no evidence whatsoever. I have never been to NYC but I would suspect there are millions of these "sightings" daily in the city. It was around this time that I knew UM was going downhill fast.

At least with the magic rock and fertility statue segments they provided us some fun comic relief from the brutal crime segments: the MIB story was just a cheap attempt at a cash-in to the movie of the same name.

Ken Palmer. He somehow lost the contact information of the other guy. Sometimes I wonder if there was a twin too but I don't want to totally disbelieve it either.

The second one is Deloris Brooks. She had Reye's syndrome that caused her to lose parts of her memory. She later remembered Madeline Strauss, her teacher, but sadly hasn't found her. I would think they would have some sort of information as to where Madeline Strauss is now but has never surfaced.

I wonder how many of these could contain any truth and how many are just people making stuff up to get on TV. Jim Boumgarten I would never have believed but supposedly there's something to that.

Ken Palmer is another. I want to believe him, but has any Palmer family other than Ken's come forward with any details regarding that bit of family folklore this Robert or James Palmer supposedly knew?

Speaking of World War II stories, has anyone identified what plane crew that lady in Eastern Europe claims to have tried to rescue? If so, did any of them survive to confirm her story?

Another is Amelia Earhart's plane. We keep hearing stories of searchers closing in that she ditched in the ocean and the plane sank. If that is proven, all those stories of a woman being held prisoner are at least questionable...unless she was picked up AS the plane was sinking...and even then the guy on UM who claimed to have seen the plane intact, then on fire, was misled or smoking something.

Can't forget to include Ed Walters and the Gulf Breeze UFO case, which was officially exposed to be a complete hoax. Because of this, UM didn't even include the segment on their UFO DVD set.

I always loved Robert Stack's update when he announced that the radio murder confession was a hoax. You could tell from his voice that he was legitimately pissed!

Is that the one where the DJ from California was chased down while riding his motorcycle with his friends? Season one I believe?

Is that the one where the DJ from California was chased down while riding his motorcycle with his friends? Season one I believe?

No, it's referring to a Kevin and Bean segment on KROQ where they aired "Confess Your Crime" and a person called in and allegedly confessed to a murder.

It was all a ratings ploy by Kevin and Bean. I've hated them ever since.

The DJ who was chased on the motorcycle crashed his bike and was killed, if I remember correctly. His name escapes me, but that segment was totally legit.

Welcome to the boards, btw! :)

The DJ who was chased on the motorcycle crashed his bike and was killed, if I remember correctly. His name escapes me, but that segment was totally legit.

That was the Lee Selwyn case. :)

That was the Lee Selwyn case. :)

Thank you. I could see his face in my head, I could see the re-creation of the motorcycle chase and the sound of his bike hitting the pole, but I could not remember his name.

EDIT: ...and they caught the perp (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Selwyn)! I remember that mug shot. Dude has what I call "dead eyes." No feeling behind them. Sad.

The DJ who was chased on the motorcycle crashed his bike and was killed, if I remember correctly. His name escapes me, but that segment was totally legit.


I'm surprised somebody hasn't listed that on the Cases that made you angry thread. Considering an innocent man died because his idiot "friend" acted like a jerk and provoked some nutcase in a car.

No, it's referring to a Kevin and Bean segment on KROQ where they aired "Confess Your Crime" and a person called in and allegedly confessed to a murder.

It was all a ratings ploy by Kevin and Bean. I've hated them ever since.

I would hate them just a little less if they ever owned up to what they did, even slightly. Just say something, ANYTHING along the lines of, "We screwed up. I apologize to all the people we hurt through this ordeal, yadda, yadda, yadda."

But they'll never do this because they know they owe their careers to this publicity stunt. They most likely wouldn't be the success they are today if it weren't for that stunt. So they're never going to say anything.

I consider myself an open minded person and enjoy the more far out paranormal stuff, but I am still shaking my head over the Men in Black thing. Let me get this straight: the evidence is that a woman in New York who sees some guys in black suits that look shady. She never once interacted with them but jumps to a crazy conclusion based on no evidence whatsoever. I have never been to NYC but I would suspect there are millions of these "sightings" daily in the city. It was around this time that I knew UM was going downhill fast.

At least with the magic rock and fertility statue segments they provided us some fun comic relief from the brutal crime segments: the MIB story was just a cheap attempt at a cash-in to the movie of the same name.

Well, they be places that you need not be. And they see things that you need not see...

No, it's referring to a Kevin and Bean segment on KROQ where they aired "Confess Your Crime" and a person called in and allegedly confessed to a murder.

It was all a ratings ploy by Kevin and Bean. I've hated them ever since.

The DJ who was chased on the motorcycle crashed his bike and was killed, if I remember correctly. His name escapes me, but that segment was totally legit.

Welcome to the boards, btw! :)

Thanks for the reply and I'm happy to be here!

I don't know if I would say it's "bogus" per se, but I just saw the Lost Loves segment about Terry Smith (here (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Terry_Smith)) and have no idea why this was even in consideration for the show. She wasn't a relative, was a friend who lived with the Timpane family for 6 years before going back to live with her father, and she had kept in touch with the family for several years after moving back with her father, before they lost touch with one another. Granted, I could be viewing this case through a very biased modern lens (with things like Facebook and the internet, how hard is it to lose touch with someone now), but I just didn't get the sentimental "oh I hope they find each other and reunite" vibe that I usually get when watching the Lost Loves segments.

I thought the one with the bones in the foot locker was almost done intentionally to mock. It is very distinctive in that Robert stack just lambasts gabby’s Words. I also thought the Curt Borton segment is ridiculous. Cmon people

I also thought the Curt Borton segment is ridiculous. Cmon people

The Curt Borton segment makes me angry. Through this utterly ridiculous and insulting segment, the Borton family itself denied Curt the dignity he rightly deserved for his sacrifice. This talk of him being "dangerous" and unapproachable springs right from foolish stereotypes about combat veterans.

I have an open mind, ear, and heart for families of service members who are MIA: the Charles Shelton, Ray Hickingbotham, and Paul Whipkey stories come to mind. But I always thought this bunch was crazy--especially Curt's sister.

The Curt Borton segment makes me angry. Through this utterly ridiculous and insulting segment, the Borton family itself denied Curt the dignity he rightly deserved for his sacrifice. This talk of him being "dangerous" and unapproachable springs right from foolish stereotypes about combat veterans.

I have an open mind, ear, and heart for families of service members who are MIA: the Charles Shelton, Ray Hickingbotham, and Paul Whipkey stories come to mind. But I always thought this bunch was crazy--especially Curt's sister.

Exactly. And I'm sorry, but if my brother were MIA and presumed dead, and I saw someone that I thought was him AND the person seemed to recognize me or whatever, you bet your ass I'm going to go talk to him, alleged stories of "danger" be damned.

And his family kept grasping at straws of "this blurry picture kind of looks like it could be him," which I get...you don't want to admit he's dead. But even in cases where it was proven to be someone else, they seemed still not to believe it.

I don't remember for certain if it was this case or another one, but they showed a picture of a POW that the family was claiming to be their lost loved one. As soon as I saw it, I was like "That's Paul Galanti." It was another view of the propaganda "Clean & Neat" picture that the North Vietnamese took at the Hoa Lo.

There's being hopeful...and then there's being delusional. And while I absolutely do believe there were men left behind in Southeast Asia...some families fall into the latter category, sadly. And I'm not judging, though it may sound that way. I can't imagine what they're going through, and I'm not saying I wouldn't be the same way if I were in their shoes.

The Curt Borton segment makes me angry. Through this utterly ridiculous and insulting segment, the Borton family itself denied Curt the dignity he rightly deserved for his sacrifice. This talk of him being "dangerous" and unapproachable springs right from foolish stereotypes about combat veterans.

I have an open mind, ear, and heart for families of service members who are MIA: the Charles Shelton, Ray Hickingbotham, and Paul Whipkey stories come to mind. But I always thought this bunch was crazy--especially Curt's sister.

excellent post

The Curt Borton segment makes me angry. Through this utterly ridiculous and insulting segment, the Borton family itself denied Curt the dignity he rightly deserved for his sacrifice. This talk of him being "dangerous" and unapproachable springs right from foolish stereotypes about combat veterans.

I have an open mind, ear, and heart for families of service members who are MIA: the Charles Shelton, Ray Hickingbotham, and Paul Whipkey stories come to mind. But I always thought this bunch was crazy--especially Curt's sister.

This is eye opening. Never really looked at it from this perspective, but it makes sense.