I just found this article online from yesterday that says that investigators have found three bodies in a field in Oklahoma that they believe may be Wendy Camp, her daughter Cynthia and her sister-in-law Lisa.
http://newsok.com/investigators-in-oklahoma-find-three-bodies-sources-report/article/3787211

It would be amazing if they were actually found, and the article suggests that the investigators don't believe the Noe family's story, so if the bodies are the three womens', then they may face charges!

Obviously not the desired outcome, but I do hope this is Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa. Their families have endured so much for so long with no answers.

Wendy's sister has worked constantly on the case all these years, trying to get as much publicity for the missing young ladies as possible while being stonewalled, mistreated, and lied to by the authorities. I'm sure she would at least have some peace of mind if her loved ones are found and given a proper memorial.

WOW! Yes, Wendy's sister has posted in this forum and on Websleuths many times and has worked tirelessly trying to find out what happened. From her accounts, she's always met with nothing but disinterest from the authorities. This may not be the desired outcome for Wendy's family, but if anyone deserves closure, it sure in the hell is them!

Given the seeming lack of cooperation from Oklahoma LE these past several years, I'm REALLY anxious to find out what led to them digging this field to search for the bodies.

I went on to Google Maps and apparently Jennings, Oklahoma is just 19 miles north from Shamrock. It looks as though that fatal car trip was much shorter than any of us ever imagined.

I love how that article ends too. Investigators finally believe Beverly's claim of dropping the 3 ladies off in Chandler is false. I hope that liar and her half-wit son finally get thrown in jail where they belong.

It's a sad ending but I hope this does give Wendy's family some much needed closure. I know Wendy's sister has posted here off and on throughout the years. Aisha, if you drop by again, I would just like you to know that our hearts go out to you and your family and we wish you nothing but thoughts, prayers and well wishes during this trying time.

Thanks for posting the article, unsolved243. If it does turn out to be Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa, I pray all those who knew and loved them experience more peace than sadness.

OMG!!!! Crazy!!!!!!

I found another article online that states the that the police were given a tip-off and that's how they knew where to search. The spokeswoman wouldn't confirm anything further about the tip or the identity of the tipster, but she did confirm that the tip was directly related to the disappearance of Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa....

So the police receive a tip about three missing women, are told where to search, and when they did search they find three bodies? Sounds like pretty detailed information, and sadly, the three bodies are probably Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa. I want to see this solved for the families of the victims, but I also want those Noe losers to pay for it.

I'm really curious as to who tipped off the cops?

I'm really curious as to who tipped off the cops?

You know, I would love to find out it was Jonathan Noe. When Aisha was interviewed on Websleuths radio a few years ago, she said that whenever she saw Jonathan, he'd completely shut down if the subject of Wendy came up. Beverly would even tell her: "Don't believe everything he says. He's mentally ********", and I've always wondered if this was a way to cover for herself if Jonathan ever said anything incriminating.

If Jonathan ever knew anything about what happened to his mother, I wonder if he finally came clean.

I have been in Contact with Aisha hashmi, Wendy's sister. she is an amazing lady and has become a good friend. She was there for me as i was waiting for my second heart transplant and called me while I was waiting to go back for surgery. I did talk with her yesterday, as she is in Oklahoma as we speak, but she would like to be the one to tell everyone what has been going on in the past few days. She does not have access to a computer at the moment as she is not home. She will post as soon as she is able too. :)

Wow, this is some news. If the bodies do turn out to be Wendy, Lisa and Cynthia, of course it will be horrible, but maybe now the family can finally get some peace. I wonder if authorities were truly intimidated by the Noe family, given their disinterest in trying to find out what happened.

Thanks for the article. I'm sad to hear that Wendy's sister was so mistreated by the police. Selfish (expletive). If it is their bodies, I hope their families can finally be put at ease and the victims put to rest.

From Wendy's sister's posts and other things I have read about her, I think she ROCKS! The idiotic LE and sick Noe family just wanted to pass it off like they must have wandered off (remember LE told UM that they believe the sighting(s) of Lisa was credible....wft???) and Wendy's sister Aisha WILL NOT let it go. It's frickin' awesome, actually. She just refuses to stop fighting, she's so awesome! I have a sister and I love her, but I don't know if I could continue to fight and struggle and argue and search and protest and worry and stress for over twenty years....obviously I'd never give up searching for answers, but I think that it would be very taxing mentally and physically, and I just don't know if I could be as strong as Aisha's been. The entire families of the victims deserve some rest.

I don't want to sound morbid when I say "I hope it's them", but I think 99% of the people who know anything about the case realize that sadly Wendy, her daughter, and Lisa haven't been with us now for a long time, at the hands of Noe and his trash family. So for me, I hope they find them so the families can have a proper burial, some peace, and then Noe and his trash family can PAY. God, I can't even type his first name. You know that feeling you get where you are disgusted so much by someone that even hearing their name might make you throw up? Yeah, that's how I feel about that family. If there is the death penalty in that state, I hope they let Aisha stick the needle in the arms personally.

Good thought, RobinW, about the tipster being Jonathon. That would be an amazing twist of fate. BUT, I think it's probably someone that was involved on a personal level with Noe or those two old wh0res, details slipped out over time (or maybe blurted out all at once in a "drunken stuper" maybe???), and the tipster has since had a falling out with them and decided it was time to ring the bell as either revenge or that they just don't care if these people go to jail because they aren't relevant to the tipster's life anymore. The other thought I was maybe the tipster has known this information for a long time but was one of those bleeding hearts that thought "Well, it won't bring those girls back if I tell, and the child (Jonathon) will have no parents at all if I tell, and the two ladies are too old to spent the rest of their lives in jail, I'll just wait until they have passed away" (the old biatches are dead now, right?). Seriously, there are stupid people out there who just don't want to get involved. I grew up in a small town in Canada, and believe me, the gossip would fly like crazy but no one would ever step up to the plate and call a spade a spade because it "wasn't their place" or they "wanted to mind their own business"....maybe not now, but 20 years ago, for sure. Anyway, back on point....I think whoever tipped off the cops might have been carrying around this knowledge for a LONG time. That's a lot of weight and stress to be carrying around for a person to deal with (says sympathetic me) and the other part of me thinks: WTF is wrong with you for waiting for sooo long?????? If the tipster says "I was scared", I hope the cops say "Too bad, we're charging you with obstruction of justice because you knew and didn't say anything!"

From Wendy's sister's posts and other things I have read about her, I think she ROCKS! The idiotic LE and sick Noe family just wanted to pass it off like they must have wandered off (remember LE told UM that they believe the sighting(s) of Lisa was credible....wft???) and Wendy's sister Aisha WILL NOT let it go. It's frickin' awesome, actually. She just refuses to stop fighting, she's so awesome! I have a sister and I love her, but I don't know if I could continue to fight and struggle and argue and search and protest and worry and stress for over twenty years....obviously I'd never give up searching for answers, but I think that it would be very taxing mentally and physically, and I just don't know if I could be as strong as Aisha's been. The entire families of the victims deserve some rest.

I don't want to sound morbid when I say "I hope it's them", but I think 99% of the people who know anything about the case realize that sadly Wendy, her daughter, and Lisa haven't been with us now for a long time, at the hands of Noe and his trash family. So for me, I hope they find them so the families can have a proper burial, some peace, and then Noe and his trash family can PAY. God, I can't even type his first name. You know that feeling you get where you are disgusted so much by someone that even hearing their name might make you throw up? Yeah, that's how I feel about that family. If there is the death penalty in that state, I hope they let Aisha stick the needle in the arms personally.

Good thought, RobinW, about the tipster being Jonathon. That would be an amazing twist of fate. BUT, I think it's probably someone that was involved on a personal level with Noe or those two old wh0res, details slipped out over time (or maybe blurted out all at once in a "drunken stuper" maybe???), and the tipster has since had a falling out with them and decided it was time to ring the bell as either revenge or that they just don't care if these people go to jail because they aren't relevant to the tipster's life anymore. The other thought I was maybe the tipster has known this information for a long time but was one of those bleeding hearts that thought "Well, it won't bring those girls back if I tell, and the child (Jonathon) will have no parents at all if I tell, and the two ladies are too old to spent the rest of their lives in jail, I'll just wait until they have passed away" (the old biatches are dead now, right?). Seriously, there are stupid people out there who just don't want to get involved. I grew up in a small town in Canada, and believe me, the gossip would fly like crazy but no one would ever step up to the plate and call a spade a spade because it "wasn't their place" or they "wanted to mind their own business"....maybe not now, but 20 years ago, for sure. Anyway, back on point....I think whoever tipped off the cops might have been carrying around this knowledge for a LONG time. That's a lot of weight and stress to be carrying around for a person to deal with (says sympathetic me) and the other part of me thinks: WTF is wrong with you for waiting for sooo long?????? If the tipster says "I was scared", I hope the cops say "Too bad, we're charging you with obstruction of justice because you knew and didn't say anything!"
Aisha is amazing!! She is an inspiration for not giving up and fighting for her sister, niece and sister in law.I haven't spoken with her today, I talked with her last night and she is anxious to get to a computer to talk with you all!

Aisha has just posted in the Websleuths forum. She's not allowed to share anything yet, but by the sound of things, there's going to be some potentially huge news tomorrow:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7946&page=8

amazing bittersweet news! hope they can finally get the closure they've wanted for so long!

She will let everyone know tomorrow. until then she would like for everyone to hold on to their pants!!

Interesting development

Wow.

This is what is referred to as "a busy news week"

This is amazing! I am anxious to hear what Aisha has to tell us. Since we all as well as the families think the 3 are unfortunately deceased I do hope its them as it will give the families some comfort to know where they are and to have a grave to visit as well as maybe now they can charge Chad and his mother with their murders.

This is amazing! I am anxious to hear what Aisha has to tell us. Since we all as well as the families think the 3 are unfortunately deceased I do hope its them as it will give the families some comfort to know where they are and to have a grave to visit as well as maybe now they can charge Chad and his mother with their murders.

Is Grandma Noe still alive?

Is Grandma Noe still alive?

Ida Pruitt died last year, if I'm not mistaken.

I called Aisha last night! I spoke with her for about an hour. She's truly amazing. We discussed the case, her feelings, everything. It was super cool. I really feel we are close to getting justice for her and her family!!!!!!

News video from a couple of days ago...its very good...shows pictures of everyone and you can see where they are digging.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=22008270

I called Aisha last night! I spoke with her for about an hour. She's truly amazing. We discussed the case, her feelings, everything. It was super cool. I really feel we are close to getting justice for her and her family!!!!!!
Flytrapp, Aisha said you called her! that was so nice of you! she said you were very nice as well. She is one of the nicest people i have met. She deserves to have justice.

Flytrapp, Aisha said you called her! that was so nice of you! she said you were very nice as well. She is one of the nicest people i have met. She deserves to have justice.

Yeah! I spoke with Aisha! At first I thought she might find it super weird that some guy she doesn't know is calling her up...I didn't want to look like a crazy person LOL. But then I thought, well, this feisty lady has been through so much and has worked endlessly to find answers, so she deserves to know that even total strangers care about the case and support her.

I remember this case being aired when I was about 12 or 13 years old and it's always really stuck with me. The whole thing has really bothered me over the years, almost as if I knew the victims or something. I really want Aisha to have her moment, which of course will giving her sister and neice a proper burial, as well as watching the Noe losers go to jail forever.

I really hope their families are finally able to rest. If this turns out to be their bodies. And I hope everyone involved gets sweet justice. Those 3 angles deserve to be finally put in their resting place.

This is one of the cases when anyone that watched UM would remember.

I just hope justice is finally served.

In my heart, I know the 3 aren't with us anymore. If these are them, I think it will be good for closure for the family. Not knowing is the worst. This is good news, even though it's sad.

How long does it usually take for remains to be positively identified?

I also hope this will at least bring closure to their family and friends, if not justice as well.

Praying for the families.

The thread of websleuths has been closed.

Thanks for that info. I ran over there real quickly today before going out for errands, hoping to see an update, but I couldn't find the thread. Probably didn't look hard enough.... I was in a hurry.

I do hope the family get the answers they want and that there is justice for all concerned.

It's nice to see the names of Cynthia Britto and Lisa Kreger in print. UM didn't mention them at all. They just said Wendy, her sister and daughter. In fact, other than briefly flashing their pictures, UM hardly acknowledged their existence at all. I mean, I do give credit to UM for airing the story, but I always thought that was weird. It's easy to just think of this as "The Wendy Camp segment"

It's nice to see the names of Cynthia Britto and Lisa Kreger in print. UM didn't mention them at all. They just said Wendy, her sister and daughter. In fact, other than briefly flashing their pictures, UM hardly acknowledged their existence at all. I mean, I do give credit to UM for airing the story, but I always thought that was weird. It's easy to just think of this as "The Wendy Camp segment"

Yes that is somewhat strange. I'm wondering if the fact that Britto was a minor at the time might have had something to do with her name not being mentioned but then again UM profiled many cases over the years involving minors whom had gone missing. It also doesn't explain the fact that Kreger wasn't properly profiled in the segment either.

I think in trying to understand what may have gone on here we have to look back at the case of Scott Johnson who died in the powder magazine fire in Bullhead City, Arizona. When UM profiled that case they failed to mention the name of Scott's companion whom also perished that day in the blaze and the assumption of most people on this forum is that the family of Scott's companion did not allow UM to release his name to the public.

It's quite possible that in the case of Lisa Kreger, her family simply didn't want her name released to the public.

Thanks for that info. I ran over there real quickly today before going out for errands, hoping to see an update, but I couldn't find the thread. Probably didn't look hard enough.... I was in a hurry.

I do hope the family get the answers they want and that there is justice for all concerned.


You're welcome. I edited that post out of respect for what Aisha said in another thread. Now, we patiently wait.

Wow, this is truly amazing. This is the first UM case I can remember watching all those years ago. I hope justice is finally served in this case.

Have the bodies been positively identitifed yet?

Also, its pretty bold for them to say now that they believe the claims of the Noe family to be false. They must be closing in on them.

I never believed Ida's account of dropping them off at Wal-Mart. She said that she drove back to have dinner with Chad at a restaurant and the authorities timed it and it would have been impossible. There were also some questions as to why Ida used the highway instead of the faster, super highway. And as far as I recall, there were no sightings of the trio at the Wal-Mart, or anywhere after their disappearance.

Did ANYONE believe Ida's story?

Did ANYONE believe Ida's story?

Apparently the police did.

If I remember correctly, it was explained at some point on this board or somewhere else on the Internet that apparently Beverly had some "embarrasing" information on local officials, or was in a relationship with someone on the police force. Reading between the lines I would wonder if there was some sort of drug activity involved. It was very odd that this case had literally zero interest from the law enforcement community. There was not even resistance like in the Tommy Burkett case. Just unexplained silence.

I still keep wondering about Lisa. It seems as if she was only "along for the ride," and she seems to have the same role in the missing investigation - as someone said, this is referred to as the "Wendy Camp" case. Wendy is always the main focus (not that it is a bad thing) but why???

I still keep wondering about Lisa. It seems as if she was only "along for the ride," and she seems to have the same role in the missing investigation - as someone said, this is referred to as the "Wendy Camp" case. Wendy is always the main focus (not that it is a bad thing) but why???

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I just always figured that was because Wendy was clearly the target and Lisa was just, forgive me for using this phrase as it is terrible but the way it appears, collateral damage.

This is not at all to diminish the loss of Lisa to her friends and family, but she seems to have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. The key to motive seemed to fall with Wendy. Figure out who killed Wendy and why and Lisa's case will solve itself.

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I just always figured that was because Wendy was clearly the target and Lisa was just, forgive me for using this phrase as it is terrible but the way it appears, collateral damage.

This is not at all to diminish the loss of Lisa to her friends and family, but she seems to have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. The key to motive seemed to fall with Wendy. Figure out who killed Wendy and why and Lisa's case will solve itself.

Agreed.

If I had been in Wendy's shoes I would have brought someone else with me too.

Does anyone know what day authorities are supposed to start digging at that site?

Does anyone know what day authorities are supposed to start digging at that site?

news9.com is the only news website I've looked at for info on this. I haven't found any articles that have been updated since the 18th. We're all still waiting for the family to receive information so Wendy's sister can share what she knows when she's ready.

According to that website, they started digging about 10 days ago and planned to end work at the site last Friday. They haven't commented on whether they have found remains, and have asked the family to submit DNA. I assume they have found something (remains, partial remains, clothing, personal item, etc) that's making them feel confident about matching the relatives, but I'm just guessing based on the behavior of the officials.

That's what I get for not being online recently. Here's hoping this leads to closure.

There is a news article online from today with a bit more information if you google "wendy camp missing" and search "news". There is a couple of tidbids previously not mentioned about the previous owner of the property being searched, as well as where the tip came from. A LE rep from the county also says an interesting read-between-the-lines statement in the article.

For those of you that didn't notice Aisha's (Wendy's sister) post in another thread, Aisha has respectfully asked that we don't say too much about the case (and to run anything "new" we might have by her before posting) because LE has informed her that social media sites can mess up the case. I'd hate to see anything jeopardized for Aisha, the families, and the victims because we all got excited about the case posted things we maybe shouldn't have without realizing it. So let's be cool, guys, Aisha will update us once she knows something. As of right now, LE has not told Aisha anything new. Fingers are crossed for this case to be solved!

There is a news article online from today with a bit more information if you google "wendy camp missing" and search "news". There is a couple of tidbids previously not mentioned about the previous owner of the property being searched, as well as where the tip came from. A LE rep from the county also says an interesting read-between-the-lines statement in the article.

For those of you that didn't notice Aisha's (Wendy's sister) post in another thread, Aisha has respectfully asked that we don't say too much about the case (and to run anything "new" we might have by her before posting) because LE has informed her that social media sites can mess up the case. I'd hate to see anything jeopardized for Aisha, the families, and the victims because we all got excited about the case posted things we maybe shouldn't have without realizing it. So let's be cool, guys, Aisha will update us once she knows something. As of right now, LE has not told Aisha anything new. Fingers are crossed for this case to be solved!

Oh wow. Yep, I just read it. TONS if information on there. Definitely go check it out everyone.

Oh wow. Yep, I just read it. TONS if information on there. Definitely go check it out everyone.

Hambone, the article we both read no longer exists online. I guess it's a good thing neither of us quoted anything from it. I hope this means that some serious progress in this case has been made. Wow, since the update almost 10 days ago there is not much else....poor Aisha and the families must be just itching. I don't think I'd be able to sleep, I'd be so anxious!

Hambone, the article we both read no longer exists online. I guess it's a good thing neither of us quoted anything from it. I hope this means that some serious progress in this case has been made. Wow, since the update almost 10 days ago there is not much else....poor Aisha and the families must be just itching. I don't think I'd be able to sleep, I'd be so anxious!

The article is back up....everyone should give it a read! (But let's be cool and not saying anything here, we need Aisha to have her moment!!! :))

The article is back up....everyone should give it a read! (But let's be cool and not saying anything here, we need Aisha to have her moment!!! :))

flytrapp, your myriad of posts about us not saying anything are getting really old, really fast.

1. you are not a moderator here and have no authority to tell us what to post, nor are you a police officer.

2. we are not children and don't need to be told things repeatedly.

3. you also stated that it would only be one night before the news would be up and we could talk about it. That was like a week and a half ago. You can't dangle a carrot in front of people and expect them not to talk about it, especially when the deadline has long passed.

flytrapp, your myriad of posts about us not saying anything are getting really old, really fast.

1. you are not a moderator here and have no authority to tell us what to post, nor are you a police officer.

2. we are not children and don't need to be told things repeatedly.

3. you also stated that it would only be one night before the news would be up and we could talk about it. That was like a week and a half ago. You can't dangle a carrot in front of people and expect them not to talk about it, especially when the deadline has long passed.

You are right, I'm not a moderator, not a police officer, none of us are children, etc. I'm just really excited about the developments, and I want to share what I know, but when I post I don't want to be the "reason" that someone might jeopardize the case....that's why I keep stating what I am stating. I post where to find the information so that everyone here is in the loop, and encourage people not to do anything stupid, that's all. But hey, if people want to post, they can do what they want.

As far as the "deadline", that's what LE told Aisha, and that is how I got that information. Why it has taken longer I have no clue. Remember, as you correctly pointed out, I'm not a police officer :)

You are right, I'm not a moderator, not a police officer, none of us are children, etc. I'm just really excited about the developments, and I want to share what I know, but when I post I don't want to be the "reason" that someone might jeopardize the case....that's why I keep stating what I am stating. I post where to find the information so that everyone here is in the loop, and encourage people not to do anything stupid, that's all. But hey, if people want to post, they can do what they want.

As far as the "deadline", that's what LE told Aisha, and that is how I got that information. Why it has taken longer I have no clue. Remember, as you correctly pointed out, I'm not a police officer :)

If you're worried about being the reason the case is jeopardized, please don't share what you know. These are real people who are missing. More to the point, they are the family of one of our own posters. We can wait for news. Telling us where to find information you don't think you should put here is tapdancing around a technicality and is flirting with danger. You don't know who we are or what we will say to whom, here or elsewhere. The thread on websleuths has been closed. They don't do that often. Let's just sit back and wait.

This is about Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa. This is about their families. This is about justice. No matter how curious we are, or how sympathetic we may be or how invested we may be in the outcomes of these cases, it is not about us. We can wait until LE has their ducks in a row. In fact, I'd prefer to wait.

flytrapp, your myriad of posts about us not saying anything are getting really old, really fast.

You don't have to be rude about it. Instead of posting something condescending to people who have posts that annoy you, maybe you could just, I don't know....not reply to the thread?

Just to clarify, this board is to discuss UM cases. There is nothing wrong with us discussing that there were remains found (on a property that used to belong to Ida Prewitt) and they are checking to see if they are Wendy Camp, Cynthia Britto and Lisa Kregear. Its all over the internet so its not as if its a secret. I can definitely understand why Aisha isn't allowed to comment on it right now since she is working with LE on this but this can still be discussed on this board unless law enforcement contacts us and asks us not to.

Just to clarify, this board is to discuss UM cases. There is nothing wrong with us discussing that there were remains found (on a property that used to belong to Ida Prewitt) and they are checking to see if they are Wendy Camp, Cynthia Britto and Lisa Kregear. Its all over the internet so its not as if its a secret. I can definitely understand why Aisha isn't allowed to comment on it right now since she is working with LE on this but this can still be discussed on this board unless law enforcement contacts us and asks us not to.

Thanks CD!

The fact that the bodies were buried on the land owned by Ida Prewitt and then sold in 2000, roughly 8 years after they went missing is telling. At the very least, we have three bodies buried on their property. If they arent Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa, then the issue still remains of why dead bodies were buried on their property.

The fact that the bodies were buried on the land owned by Ida Prewitt and then sold in 2000, roughly 8 years after they went missing is telling. At the very least, we have three bodies buried on their property. If they arent Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa, then the issue still remains of why dead bodies were buried on their property.

If those bodies turn out to be the three women, then Ida Prewitt and her family are even stupider than I thought. When you know that you're going to be the #1 suspects in the disappearance, it's pretty dumb to bury the evidence on property that's registered in your name and can be traced back to you, and then sell off the land without even moving the bodies to another location!

If those bodies turn out to be the three women, then Ida Prewitt and her family are even stupider than I thought. When you know that you're going to be the #1 suspects in the disappearance, it's pretty dumb to bury the evidence on property that's registered in your name and can be traced back to you, and then sell off the land without even moving the bodies to another location!

Extremely dumb, yes. And yet it took 21 years for these (hopeful) possible developments to turn up. That's what is truly sad.

If those bodies turn out to be the three women, then Ida Prewitt and her family are even stupider than I thought. When you know that you're going to be the #1 suspects in the disappearance, it's pretty dumb to bury the evidence on property that's registered in your name and can be traced back to you, and then sell off the land without even moving the bodies to another location!

Completely stupid but LE may be even dumber. I would have thought that by now, all of their properties would have been searched back then for ground disturbance, amoung other things.

Has it been confirmed that there were three bodies found, or just "remains"? If it's three bodies, I can't see it being anyone other than Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa unfortunately.

Has it been confirmed that there were three bodies found, or just "remains"? If it's three bodies, I can't see it being anyone other than Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa unfortunately.

I've seen it mentioned as both "remains" and "bodies recovered".

If those bodies turn out to be the three women, then Ida Prewitt and her family are even stupider than I thought. When you know that you're going to be the #1 suspects in the disappearance, it's pretty dumb to bury the evidence on property that's registered in your name and can be traced back to you, and then sell off the land without even moving the bodies to another location!

Yep, the only people more stupid are the morons who hide bodies in storage lockers and then forget to pay the rent.

flytrapp, your myriad of posts about us not saying anything are getting really old, really fast.

1. you are not a moderator here and have no authority to tell us what to post, nor are you a police officer.

2. we are not children and don't need to be told things repeatedly.

3. you also stated that it would only be one night before the news would be up and we could talk about it. That was like a week and a half ago. You can't dangle a carrot in front of people and expect them not to talk about it, especially when the deadline has long passed.


I agree with you. I don't see how posting links to news articles and some of our opinions about this case can in anyway jeopardize justice being served at some point. Obviously any people still living who may be at some point charged for these murders (if that is what the evidence points to) live nearby the area being searched and/or have access to news and the internet, small town gossip, have been notified by relatives about what is going on, etc... and are aware of what is going on.

We can all try to be mindful of the victim's families pain and post respectfully. While it is sometimes nice and usually helpful to have victim's family members post and participate on these boards, I'm not sure how healthy it is for them to do so. Visiting these boards is now causing more stress to the family member than help.

Completely stupid but LE may be even dumber. I would have thought that by now, all of their properties would have been searched back then for ground disturbance, amoung other things.


I believe searching for ground disturbance can be very expensive and very time consuming. Not sure how many acres of land were owned by this family, but it could be quite extensive. Unfortunately, although this case was featured on T.V., this is not a television program and most agencies do not have the time or money to do such searches. Sometimes (most of the time) it is a waiting game and something eventually turns up.

maybe brad was killed too

Yep, the only people more stupid are the morons who hide bodies in storage lockers and then forget to pay the rent.

That reminds me to send in the check. Thanks!


:p

You don't have to be rude about it. Instead of posting something condescending to people who have posts that annoy you, maybe you could just, I don't know....not reply to the thread?

God, why the hell do you have to turn everything into an argument? It's pretty telling that the poster itself didn't have a problem with it, but you did. And in case you didn't notice, everyone including the mod, agreed with me.

I don't have many people on my ignore list here, but you just managed to make that elite group.

I don't have many people on my ignore list here, but you just managed to make that elite group.

That's cute. I'm honored.

Back to the topic at hand, I don't see what other remains they could be other than Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia. Considering the property was owned by Ida Prewitt, who was one of the last people seen with each missing person, I think it's pretty clear what happened here and who's responsible.

Back to the topic at hand, I don't see what other remains they could be other than Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia. Considering the property was owned by Ida Prewitt, who was one of the last people seen with each missing person, I think it's pretty clear what happened here and who's responsible.

I agree. Wan't Ida the one who has already died? Also, someone posted on here about Chad Noe having disappeared 10 yerars ago. Is that legit and where did it come from? Does anyone know?

I agree. Wan't Ida the one who has already died? Also, someone posted on here about Chad Noe having disappeared 10 yerars ago. Is that legit and where did it come from? Does anyone know?

Yes, I believe Ida died a couple of years ago. Beverly is still very much alive. Have no idea how true the rumors are about Chad disappearing, but if they're true I'm sure his mother knows where he is.

It's hard to believe but I've been posting on this forum for 13 years now. I've seen posters come and go. But one thing every one of them had in common with the current and other longtime posters here is that they all agreed that Chad Noe has got to be the guiltiest person (along with Paul Pollis) in the history of Unsolved Mysteries.

I'm LOVING the thought of FINALLY seeing him in that orange jumpsuit, handcuffed, ready to be locked up. Same goes for mother of the year, Beverly.

It's hard to believe but I've been posting on this forum for 13 years now. I've seen posters come and go. But one thing every one of them had in common with the current and other longtime posters here is that they all agreed that Chad Noe has got to be the guiltiest person (along with Paul Pollis) in the history of Unsolved Mysteries.

I'm LOVING the thought of FINALLY seeing him in that orange jumpsuit, handcuffed, ready to be locked up. Same goes for mother of the year, Beverly.

Agreed. Do you happen to know who it was or where it was stated, that Chad Noe disappeared over 10 yrs ago?

I'm LOVING the thought of FINALLY seeing him in that orange jumpsuit, handcuffed, ready to be locked up. Same goes for mother of the year, Beverly.

I agree 100% with everything you said.

Agreed. Do you happen to know who it was or where it was stated, that Chad Noe disappeared over 10 yrs ago?

I remember reading the post that stated that.

I think they might have meant that he disappeared (not surprisingly after learning about him) from his child's life (the one that was in the center of this whole custody battle) and that his mother Beverly started taking care of the kid.

He might have been trying to get away so that the authorities won't be able to find him. Most of us agree Chad Noe (and his mother as a likely accomplice) likely murdered Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia, so this "news" isn't too surprising from that aspect, even though he appeared on the UM segment.

Agreed. Do you happen to know who it was or where it was stated, that Chad Noe disappeared over 10 yrs ago?

I'm not sure he really "disappeared" in the traditional sense, but rather just went off and did his own thing and stopped staying in contact with his family. I believe Aisha has said that Chad saw Jonathan a grand total of two or three times after Wendy disappeared, so he certainly never played much of a role in his son's life. It makes the whole thing even more despicable that he would murder the mother of his child when he didn't even give a crap about raising the child to begin with.

That said, if they issue a warrant for Chad's arrest, I hope they don't have a hard time tracking him down.

So far I don't believe that any of the articles or news stories have said that any human remains have been found. LE were guided to this site by a tip or new information.

I do hope that they are found and justice can be served.

So far I don't believe that any of the articles or news stories have said that any human remains have been found. LE were guided to this site by a tip or new information.

I do hope that they are found and justice can be served.

My thinking is that remains were found. Wendy's sister was asked to give DNA samples. She's very active on this board and in this case and if no bodies were found, I'm sure she would have told us by now. Just my opinion though.

My thinking is that remains were found. Wendy's sister was asked to give DNA samples. She's very active on this board and in this case and if no bodies were found, I'm sure she would have told us by now. Just my opinion though.

Yeah I don't think they would have asked for DNA samples unless human remains were found.

At least two article says three bodies were found. Others say remains. Others just say digging.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/3_bodies_found_during_search_for_two_women_girl_missing/20130418_12_a11_jennin599202?subj=1

http://newsok.com/investigators-find-three-bodies-in-northern-oklahoma-sources-report/article/3787211?custom_click=pod_headline_crime

It's hard to believe but I've been posting on this forum for 13 years now. I've seen posters come and go. But one thing every one of them had in common with the current and other longtime posters here is that they all agreed that Chad Noe has got to be the guiltiest person (along with Paul Pollis) in the history of Unsolved Mysteries.

I'm LOVING the thought of FINALLY seeing him in that orange jumpsuit, handcuffed, ready to be locked up. Same goes for mother of the year, Beverly.

I'm starting to wonder if we could achieve world peace by uniting various warring parties in their certainty of Chad Noe's guilt. Because they are without a doubt, the guiltiest people in the history of Unsolved Mysteries.

It boggles my mind that these white-trash rednecks actually pulled off the perfect crime, given how bad they are at not appearing guilty. Y'know if someone I knew disappeared and I was the most likely suspect, I'd try to act a little worried and concerned for their welfare, not be all gleeful that they're gone.

Anyone know what happened with poor Jonathan? Because if I've read correctly some posters already said that after his mother disappeared, Daddy Noe washed his hands of him, which only further makes me :mad: towards him. I hope he's being raised by people who care about him and will tell him that his daddy's full of it.

I'm starting to wonder if we could achieve world peace by uniting various warring parties in their certainty of Chad Noe's guilt. Because they are without a doubt, the guiltiest people in the history of Unsolved Mysteries.


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You're SO right. I'm pretty sure that Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams would sit down and have a pint while discussing Chad Noe and his family's guilt.

What boggles my mind is not that they (most probably) killed Wendy or even Lisa, but how could they kill Cynthia? She was six. Six. It just breaks my heart.

Anyone know what happened with poor Jonathan? Because if I've read correctly some posters already said that after his mother disappeared, Daddy Noe washed his hands of him, which only further makes me :mad: towards him. I hope he's being raised by people who care about him and will tell him that his daddy's full of it.

If it's true, than that makes carrying out and finishing a murder plot against 3 people just so you don't have to worry about sharing custody with your ex rather pointless, doesn't it?

If Chad was a no show in his son's life for all those years, that only confirms for me that Beverly was the "mastermind" behind the whole thing. The invite, the murder location, and that bogus story about dropping the ladies off at the Walmart. Chad probably did the actual killing and Beverly handled everything else. Yet another psycho grandma that Unsolved Mysteries was known for, committing a horrible crime just so she can raise her grandchild.

A truly scary thought is how badly damaged Jonathan could possibly be right now after having been raised all these years by Beverly. We saw how Chad turned out and that was obviously nothing to write home about.

At least two article says three bodies were found. Others say remains. Others just say digging.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/3_bodies_found_during_search_for_two_women_girl_missing/20130418_12_a11_jennin599202?subj=1

http://newsok.com/investigators-find-three-bodies-in-northern-oklahoma-sources-report/article/3787211?custom_click=pod_headline_crime

Thank you, so, articles dated 4/17 and 4/18 state 3 bodies found. Before that, articles I read, said just digging and possibly "items" found. I had not read those ones.

Yet another psycho grandma that Unsolved Mysteries was known for, committing a horrible crime just so she can raise her grandchild.


I really think there was more to it than just a g-ma wanting to raise her g-son.I think Jonathan may have either witnessed or overheard something that would have been very damaging to Ida and Beverly (and or Chad as well?).We know from news articles the women were involved in illegal activities,and per the UM segment,no one seemed to have a problem w/ Jonathan visiting Wendy at first.But then they suddenly stopped the visits,even to the point of moving,changing their phone no.,etc,to avoid Wendy seeing him.
Then they all of a sudden decide Wendy can see him,supervised of course,for the day.And even though she is accompanied by two others,even a child,the whole plan for her to go 'missing' gets carried out anyway.That reeks of desperation! They really felt they could not risk Wendy getting any amount of time alone with Jonathan,it appears.There was too much at risk.JMO.

If it's true, than that makes carrying out and finishing a murder plot against 3 people just so you don't have to worry about sharing custody with your ex rather pointless, doesn't it?

If Chad was a no show in his son's life for all those years, that only confirms for me that Beverly was the "mastermind" behind the whole thing. The invite, the murder location, and that bogus story about dropping the ladies off at the Walmart. Chad probably did the actual killing and Beverly handled everything else. Yet another psycho grandma that Unsolved Mysteries was known for, committing a horrible crime just so she can raise her grandchild.

A truly scary thought is how badly damaged Jonathan could possibly be right now after having been raised all these years by Beverly. We saw how Chad turned out and that was obviously nothing to write home about.

This is exactly how I envisioned everything. Noe was more nervous and jittery that a squirrel on the freeway in his interview on UM, and there's no doubt in my mind that Beverly was the one who pulled the strings on the whole thing, with Chad being the puppet. It's sick to think that they actually killed a 6 year old child instead of sparing her.

I really think there was more to it than just a g-ma wanting to raise her g-son.I think Jonathan may have either witnessed or overheard something that would have been very damaging to Ida and Beverly (and or Chad as well?).We know from news articles the women were involved in illegal activities,and per the UM segment,no one seemed to have a problem w/ Jonathan visiting Wendy at first.But then they suddenly stopped the visits,even to the point of moving,changing their phone no.,etc,to avoid Wendy seeing him.
Then they all of a sudden decide Wendy can see him,supervised of course,for the day.And even though she is accompanied by two others,even a child,the whole plan for her to go 'missing' gets carried out anyway.That reeks of desperation! They really felt they could not risk Wendy getting any amount of time alone with Jonathan,it appears.There was too much at risk.JMO.

Thats a very good point. My only issue with it is that Jonathan was so young at the time. There's n otelling what, if anything, he would remember and repeat. But, I'm not expert in that field so you could be correct.

Good article dated 4/25 - http://www.theclevelandamerican.com/articles/2013/04/25/news/doc5177e8c23dabd625984211.txt

LE is holding a press conference tomorrow at the Creek County Courthouse in Sapulpa. Apparently they have declined to answer any questions or give any statements until the press conference tomorrow. Looks like we're getting some news!!!!!

www.news9.com will be streaming the conference live at 10am Oklahoma time.

LE is holding a press conference tomorrow at the Creek County Courthouse in Sapulpa. Apparently they have declined to answer any questions or give any statements until the press conference tomorrow. Looks like we're getting some news!!!!!

Excellent news.

I'm guessing that the bodies have been identitifed as Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa or else Wendy's sister would have told us if it was a false lead by now.

LE is holding a press conference tomorrow at the Creek County Courthouse in Sapulpa. Apparently they have declined to answer any questions or give any statements until the press conference tomorrow. Looks like we're getting some news!!!!!


Thanks for the update.

If the bodies and/or remains found are the three females, does anyone think there's a possibility that Chad Noe's DNA could be found of them?

Thanks for the update.

If the bodies and/or remains found are the three females, does anyone think there's a possibility that Chad Noe's DNA could be found of them?

I have no doubt Noe was responsible.

Just a quick article for everyone confirming.....

http://www.news9.com/story/22136382/sources-bodies

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/OSBI-says-remains-of-3-missing-since-1992-found/jQxlqCvFIUSTbD7MPSFgpg.cspx

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/tip-leads-police-bodies-3-women-missing-more-20-ye/nXd7N/

This link confirms the bodies are those of Wendy, Cynthia and Lisa. It also says one person has been arrested and more arrests are forthcoming. Great news!!

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/OSBI-says-remains-of-3-missing-since-1992-found/jQxlqCvFIUSTbD7MPSFgpg.cspx

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/OSBI-says-remains-of-3-missing-since-1992-found/jQxlqCvFIUSTbD7MPSFgpg.cspx

Whoops, I just posted the same link. Sorry for not seeing yours first, flytrapp.

Whoops, I just posted the same link. Sorry for not seeing yours first, flytrapp.

It's all good! Just shows we're both on the case!

I'm super pissed that I didn't get to see the press conference, the live stream wouldn't work!!!! Anyone else get to see it?

It's all good! Just shows we're both on the case!

I'm super pissed that I didn't get to see the press conference, the live stream wouldn't work!!!! Anyone else get to see it?

I didnt. I wanna know who was arrested though.

I didnt. I wanna know who was arrested though.

I was wondering the same thing....I mean the obvious choice would be Chad, however, it was Beverley who admitted to being the last person to see them alive, so it could have been her that has been arrested.

At least this is the beginning of some closure for Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia's loved ones and friends. It took nearly 21 years for it to occur, but now it's happening.

Looks like the arrest was for the man who owned the property, who appears to be related to Ida Prewitt. But more arrests are probably coming:
http://www.newson6.com/story/22136382/osbi-human-remains-found-1992-cold-case-one-person-arrested

Looks like the arrest was for the man who owned the property, who appears to be related to Ida Prewitt. But more arrests are probably coming:
http://www.newson6.com/story/22136382/osbi-human-remains-found-1992-cold-case-one-person-arrested

If he knows anything, he'll start rolling over on them.

For those of you who are clicking the above link to read the aerticle, be sure to check out the picture on there as well. It shows the remains that were found. Very eerie to know that these have been underground for over 20 yrs while we have been discussing it.

Wow. I'm not sure they needed to post that picture.

Wow. I'm not sure they needed to post that picture.

I thought the same thing.

For those of you who are clicking the above link to read the aerticle, be sure to check out the picture on there as well. It shows the remains that were found. Very eerie to know that these have been underground for over 20 yrs while we have been discussing it.

I just teared up after seeing that picture. Those monsters disposed them as if they were garbage.:(

I hope all those involve spend the rest of their lives in jail.

And that families of Lisa, Wendy & Cynthea can finally rest knowing they finally have answers.

Wow. I'm not sure they needed to post that picture.

It's very disturbing but I feel more sadness looking at that picture. The clothes even match up, like Wendy's red jogging suit and Lisa's yellow striped shirt. :eek: Such great attention to detail by Unsolved Mysteries since that's the clothing the actresses playing the three women were wearing in the reenactment.

Once the police finally (FINALLY) arrest Chad and Beverly, I want to know why. We always knew who but we never knew why. Was it simply a matter of an unstable family not wanting to deal with a former in-law or were they truly afraid little Jonathan would repeat something he heard about his criminal grandmother and great-grandmother that they were afraid Wendy would overhear and call the police? You're already going to jail so you might as well explain why you had to stoop this low.

Out of curiosity, I went to Wendy's Charley Project page and it confirmed she was wearing a bright red sweatsuit on the day she disappeared and that Lisa wore a yellow and white striped shirt. This is the exact clothing on the remains in that photo.

Man, this REALLY made it sink in that these remains are them :( .

I just cried tears of joy. I'm so happy for the family who finally gets closure. Hopefully justice will finally be served!

It's very disturbing but I feel more sadness looking at that picture. The clothes even match up, like Wendy's red jogging suit and Lisa's yellow striped shirt. :eek: Such great attention to detail by Unsolved Mysteries since that's the clothing the actresses playing the three women were wearing in the reenactment.

Once the police finally (FINALLY) arrest Chad and Beverly, I want to know why. We always knew who but we never knew why. Was it simply a matter of an unstable family not wanting to deal with a former in-law or were they truly afraid little Jonathan would repeat something he heard about his criminal grandmother and great-grandmother that they were afraid Wendy would overhear and call the police? You're already going to jail so you might as well explain why you had to stoop this low.

I'm at work so I'm having to access this and the news site on my phone. I see the clothes, but are those skulls as well?

I found another article with a bigger picture of the remains...YIKES! Wasn't expecting to see that, but glad that they were finally found. I'll be even happier when the Noes go down in flames.

I'm at work so I'm having to access this and the news site on my phone. I see the clothes, but are those skulls as well?


It appears to be their skeletal remains.

I didnt. I wanna know who was arrested though.

The Channel 9 article said it was Grover Junior Prewitt age 60. This name is new to me.

The Channel 9 article said it was Grover Junior Prewitt age 60. This name is new to me.

It's Beverly Noe's (Chad's mother) brother. I believe he is the current owner of that property. I found Aisha's response today on Websleuths: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7946&page=8

Of course, they're going to blame the Ida because she's dead. *eye roll*

WOW I never thought they would be found. So glad there's finally an end to this horrible tragedy.

I found another article with a bigger picture of the remains...YIKES! Wasn't expecting to see that, but glad that they were finally found. I'll be even happier when the Noes go down in flames.

Would you mind either PM me the link to that site or responding with the link? Thanks!

In the web sleuths forum, Aishia says that "they are all claiming Ida was the triggerman" since she is dead. I wont who "they" is? Chad and Beverly? The Police?

In the web sleuths forum, Aishia says that "they are all claiming Ida was the triggerman" since she is dead. I wont who "they" is? Chad and Beverly? The Police?

Even if that were true, it doesn't change anything. They still plotted and carried out the plan of killing 3 people. And in Beverly's case, lying to the police about dropping them off in Chandler.

Whomever the trigger man was, they're all guilty and they all deserve to be thrown in jail.

WOW I never thought they would be found. So glad there's finally an end to this horrible tragedy.

My feelings exactly! Now I just hope we find out the truth..WHY did they feel the need to kill one woman that was defenseless because of MS and a child...not to mention the sister-in-law too. I am really baffled to why they did it...

Just saw that Leon Camp stopped by to comment on one of the news articles. I'm very glad that he's finally gotten closure as well since he lost his wife, sister AND stepdaughter, and seemed like the nice, supportive husband Wendy deserved:
http://www.news9.com/story/22142418/one-arrested-after-remains-of-3-victims-found-in-pawnee-county

Just saw that Leon Camp stopped by to comment on one of the news articles. I'm very glad that he's finally gotten closure as well since he lost his wife, sister AND stepdaughter, and seemed like the nice, supportive husband Wendy deserved:
http://www.news9.com/story/22142418/one-arrested-after-remains-of-3-victims-found-in-pawnee-county

Yes. I was reading that as well. He truly is at peace over this now.

I'm not going to repeat it on here as I don't believe its my place to do so, but if you are friends with Aishia on facebook, she describes the manner in which they were killed in one of her last wall posts.

It's very disturbing but I feel more sadness looking at that picture. The clothes even match up, like Wendy's red jogging suit and Lisa's yellow striped shirt. :eek: Such great attention to detail by Unsolved Mysteries since that's the clothing the actresses playing the three women were wearing in the reenactment.

Once the police finally (FINALLY) arrest Chad and Beverly, I want to know why. We always knew who but we never knew why. Was it simply a matter of an unstable family not wanting to deal with a former in-law or were they truly afraid little Jonathan would repeat something he heard about his criminal grandmother and great-grandmother that they were afraid Wendy would overhear and call the police? You're already going to jail so you might as well explain why you had to stoop this low.

I always felt that Ida, Chad and Beverly killed Wendy simply because she was in the way of their plans to keep Jonathan. And it's sad and eerie that Wendy possibly knew she wouldn't be safe with them so she took Lisa and Cynthia in the chance that maybe they wouldn't harm her with them along. Yet they did anyway. It's despicable enough they killed a woman unable to take care of herself (my mother has MS so I know how weakening the disease can be) but to also kill a 6 year-old child and a young woman they had no beef with is downright disgusting. It also doesn't surprise me that the remains were found on Ida's brother's property and probably helped with the murders. Families like that usually have no qualms when it comes to crime.

On the other hand, the picture is so powerful, maybe it will bring out people with information. Thinking you might know something hinky about people who are missing is a lot different than seeing three bodies. It might actually be a great idea by the police to get people to talk.

I just found this article online from yesterday that says that investigators have found three bodies in a field in Oklahoma that they believe may be Wendy Camp, her daughter Cynthia and her sister-in-law Lisa.
http://newsok.com/investigators-in-oklahoma-find-three-bodies-sources-report/article/3787211

It would be amazing if they were actually found, and the article suggests that the investigators don't believe the Noe family's story, so if the bodies are the three womens', then they may face charges!


Found this article contains a picture of Skeletal remains

http://kfor.com/2013/05/02/graphic-osbi-finds-remains-of-women-child-missing-since-1992/

So glad they were found! Hopefuly bev and chad's arrest will be coming soon.
now they can be laid to rest in a dignified manner.

what is the yellow arrow pointing to,anyone know?

what is the yellow arrow pointing to,anyone know?

I think it might be Wendy's wallet/ID. It looks to me like the ladies' purses were with them when they were found.

Found this article contains a picture of Skeletal remains

http://kfor.com/2013/05/02/graphic-osbi-finds-remains-of-women-child-missing-since-1992/

Those quotes from Beverly are a joke. I don't need to hear from her that she's "shocked" the bodies were found after 20 years. She never even mentions being shocked that the bodies were found on HER FAMILY'S PROPERTY!

She's in desperation mode now, still trying to stick to her story of dropping the three off in Chandler by saying, "I swear to GOD." :rolleyes:

If she had nothing to do with the killings, that would mean her brother or some random stranger conveniently was in that Walmart parking lot, 40 miles from home, at the exact moment the three women were kicked out of the car, then he picked them up or kidnapped them (because Lord knows its really easy to kidnap three people in a Walmart parking lot in the middle of the afternoon on a Saturday without anyone seeing anything) drive the 40 miles to Jennings and bury the bodies and not know a thing about it for 20 years.

The police CANNOT be stupid enough to believe that could ever happen. Throw Beverly in jail NOW! Haven't people been arrested before on less evidence than this?

Found this article contains a picture of Skeletal remains

http://kfor.com/2013/05/02/graphic-osbi-finds-remains-of-women-child-missing-since-1992/


In that news video, Beverly Noe is interviewed and you can tell that she's lying through her teeth. I hope her and Chad get life in prison.

Wow, what a vision. It's sad that it's mostly likely Wendy, Lisa and Cynthia but hopefully they can finally be put at rest and their killers arrested. The Noe family are lower that dirt, no pun intended. I think Beverly is still in prison for arson, isn't she?

Those quotes from Beverly are a joke. I don't need to hear from her that she's "shocked" the bodies were found after 20 years. She never even mentions being shocked that the bodies were found on HER FAMILY'S PROPERTY!

She's in desperation mode now, still trying to stick to her story of dropping the three off in Chandler by saying, "I swear to GOD." :rolleyes:

If she had nothing to do with the killings, that would mean her brother or some random stranger conveniently was in that Walmart parking lot, 40 miles from home, at the exact moment the three women were kicked out of the car, then he picked them up or kidnapped them (because Lord knows its really easy to kidnap three people in a Walmart parking lot in the middle of the afternoon on a Saturday without anyone seeing anything) drive the 40 miles to Jennings and bury the bodies and not know a thing about it for 20 years.

The police CANNOT be stupid enough to believe that could ever happen. Throw Beverly in jail NOW! Haven't people been arrested before on less evidence than this?

OMG, I was thinking that EXACT same thing. She has no choice but to stick to that story, but it sounds like her brother turned her in anyway. I think he waited until after Ida died. As far as LE charging him, I think they are doing it to scare him into telling the whole truth in exchange for a deal so that Beverley and Chad will be locked up for good!

The live stream I mentioned earlier didn't work for me, and not for Aisha, either. We exchanged texts messages briefly last night and today. She did tell me a couple of things I didn't know, but now we all know them because it's all over the internet, so there is nothing new to share (not that I would break Aisha's trust, anyway). It's been a very emotional day for her and her family, she said the phone won't quit and she has been doing interviews and all that stuff...the poor woman is just exhausted, yet sooo happy at the same time. I think the photo of the site really disturbed her, and who could blame her. She's a really strong and tough woman. I really respect her, and I know she's happy that this site and websleuths have been talking about her sister and family for all these years.

So as far as more charges getting laid, anyone have any thoughts on that process or how long it takes? I can't believe Beverley was on the news denying it all when she should be in handcuffs at the cop-shop. Same with Chad. I'm also wondering how much the taped "statements" to UM might help in regards to convictions....Chad was pretty clear (with his stuffy-coke-nose) that he didn't know what happened to them but that he might have "in a drunken stuper" said he'd killed them or harmed them. I believe he was also accused of saying (while he was drunk) that they were some place they would never be found? GUESS WHAT, BIATCH!!!!! They were found!!!! I hope the needle is headed for his arm and his c*** mother's arm, too :)

Glad to see this story is now getting exposure in USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/02/arrest-1992-cold-case/2131157/

And, man, it sounds like the apple didn't fall from tree with Grover Prewitt! Apparently, he was told to dig the hole the week before the murders took place and then Ida asked him to fill it in with a backhoe later. He claims he never bothered to look in the hole, because he was scared about what he might find in there :rolleyes:. I guess I'll give him some credit because it seems like he was the one who came forward to the authorities, but I have no idea what motivated him after all these years.

It sounds like he didn't know for sure they were in there, but that he knew they were in there. I wouldn't be surprised if we heard soon that GP had been diagnosed with something fatal.

Spoke to Aisha tonight and yes she is one strong woman who she and her family have really been thru it. Please keep her and her family in your prayers.

Those pictures are heartbreaking; they're all facedown in the hole :(

Chad and Beverly should be put in jail ASAP. I fear they will try to fly the coop if given the opportunity!

I think Beverly is still in prison for arson, isn't she?
One of these articles has a video of her being interviewed in what appears to be her home. She keeps claiming that she dropped them off and will claim it til her dying day. Yeah, sure. What a believable story. :mad:

OMG, I was thinking that EXACT same thing. She has no choice but to stick to that story, but it sounds like her brother turned her in anyway. I think he waited until after Ida died. As far as LE charging him, I think they are doing it to scare him into telling the whole truth in exchange for a deal so that Beverley and Chad will be locked up for good!

The live stream I mentioned earlier didn't work for me, and not for Aisha, either. We exchanged texts messages briefly last night and today. She did tell me a couple of things I didn't know, but now we all know them because it's all over the internet, so there is nothing new to share (not that I would break Aisha's trust, anyway). It's been a very emotional day for her and her family, she said the phone won't quit and she has been doing interviews and all that stuff...the poor woman is just exhausted, yet sooo happy at the same time. I think the photo of the site really disturbed her, and who could blame her. She's a really strong and tough woman. I really respect her, and I know she's happy that this site and websleuths have been talking about her sister and family for all these years.

So as far as more charges getting laid, anyone have any thoughts on that process or how long it takes? I can't believe Beverley was on the news denying it all when she should be in handcuffs at the cop-shop. Same with Chad. I'm also wondering how much the taped "statements" to UM might help in regards to convictions....Chad was pretty clear (with his stuffy-coke-nose) that he didn't know what happened to them but that he might have "in a drunken stuper" said he'd killed them or harmed them. I believe he was also accused of saying (while he was drunk) that they were some place they would never be found? GUESS WHAT, BIATCH!!!!! They were found!!!! I hope the needle is headed for his arm and his c*** mother's arm, too :)

One of these articles has a video of her being interviewed in what appears to be her home. She keeps claiming that she dropped them off and will claim it til her dying day. Yeah, sure. What a believable story. :mad:

I just watched the interview with her.:mad:

"But honest to God. I dropped them off. That's why I'm not guilty."

Ya, that's believable Beverly. :mad:

I'll say one thing. RS is likely smiling up in heaven right now. I would've loved to seen an update on this case with him.

beverly is a hag..a lying hag

beverly is a hag..a lying hag


I think Beverly and her brother got into an enormous fight and that's why he turned on her (and about time too!!!!)

"She did tell me a couple of things I didn't know, but now we all know them because it's all over the internet, so there is nothing new to share (not that I would break Aisha's trust, anyway)."


I just wondered if the authorities could determine how the three of them were killed: were they rounded up at gunpoint and shot execution-style? For some reason, that's how I imagine what transpired with them. It's awful and senseless.

i can't believe the woman (beverly) keeps sticking to the lame story of dropping them off at walmart!!! ok beverly time to give it up, it don't wash. I was born at night but not last night!!!

i can't believe the woman (beverly) keeps sticking to the lame story of dropping them off at walmart!!! ok beverly time to give it up, it don't wash. I was born at night but not last night!!!

She's likely told that pathetic story so many times, she actually believes herself. :mad:

Sadly I think once they were done visiting. They thought they were going home, instead they went to the site where they found. :(

I also just notice Wendy and I share a birthday.

This is great news. I know this is not how Wendy's family wanted everything to turn out, but I think after so many years, they accepted the fates of these women. Now they can lay them to rest properly.

I wonder just how much Chad had to do with the disappearance of these women. Has it been mentioned how they were killed?

Has it been mentioned how they were killed?

I assume they were shot. One of the links 2 pages back features a comment section under the article to which Aisha and Leon responded. Aisha said seeing the picture of the remains hit harder than she thought it would, especially since you can see the bullet holes in the back of the head and on the sides of the necks.

Those quotes from Beverly are a joke. I don't need to hear from her that she's "shocked" the bodies were found after 20 years. She never even mentions being shocked that the bodies were found on HER FAMILY'S PROPERTY!

She's in desperation mode now, still trying to stick to her story of dropping the three off in Chandler by saying, "I swear to GOD." :rolleyes:

If she had nothing to do with the killings, that would mean her brother or some random stranger conveniently was in that Walmart parking lot, 40 miles from home, at the exact moment the three women were kicked out of the car, then he picked them up or kidnapped them (because Lord knows its really easy to kidnap three people in a Walmart parking lot in the middle of the afternoon on a Saturday without anyone seeing anything) drive the 40 miles to Jennings and bury the bodies and not know a thing about it for 20 years.

The police CANNOT be stupid enough to believe that could ever happen. Throw Beverly in jail NOW! Haven't people been arrested before on less evidence than this?

And the young man at the beginning of the video is Jonathan, Wendy's son that she had gone to visit.

Wow. I just happened to see this in my news feed on MSN. As soon as I saw "1992," I was hoping that it was Wendy and her family.

So glad the family can finally get some answers. So sorry they had to wait 20 years for it.

I wonder just how much Chad had to do with the disappearance of these women.

Apparently a tip from Chad Noe ( http://www.news9.com/story/22147172/one-arrested-more-expected-in-oklahoma-1992-triple-homicide ) also led them to the property. It sounds like there will be all sorts of accusations and counter-accusations in the months to come as several rats try to save their own skins.

Here's a link to the probable cause statement: http://www.ozarkssentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/PCOklahome_Redacted.pdf

Apparently a tip from Chad Noe ( http://www.news9.com/story/22147172/one-arrested-more-expected-in-oklahoma-1992-triple-homicide ) also led them to the property. It sounds like there will be all sorts of accusations and counter-accusations in the months to come as several rats try to save their own skins.

Here's a link to the probable cause statement: http://www.ozarkssentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/PCOklahome_Redacted.pdf


Awesome! Thanks for the link.:wave:

Glad to see this story is now getting exposure in USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/02/arrest-1992-cold-case/2131157/

And, man, it sounds like the apple didn't fall from tree with Grover Prewitt! Apparently, he was told to dig the hole the week before the murders took place and then Ida asked him to fill it in with a backhoe later.

Beverly told him to dig the hole, not Ida. That's the key point I've seen so far.

Quite the parlay, for Beverly to be totally uninvolved and unaware. Asks her son to dig a deep hole, for a septic tank that may never have existed or been purchased. I'm sure the police inquired into that aspect.

Was this a big septic tank family? Like a hobby. Dig holes and then change their mind? No, let's install it over there. Don't forget the pepper.

In one instance the digging happened to precede the visitation of three relatives, and the filling of the hole followed their disappearance. Noe family normalcy, like the fire of the week. When I posted regularly on this site I don't remember discussing this case, often if at all, primarily because it was somewhat boring, other than the tragedy, lacking complication and perplexity. Although I suppose it's possible to wander from a Walmart parking lot into a dark hole, dozens of miles removed. And then be felled by underground bullets.

I had no(e) idea there has been a development until reading the USA Today article. This forum was sure to be the best source. Kind of amusing to check the recent pages in this thread, do a bit of web searching, and uncover an article from only weeks ago in which Beverly is quoted that she's been hassled for decades and now the police have finally left her alone, and she's enjoying it that way.

Bottom of this link:
http://www.yourlifeoncourse.com/oklahoma-investigators-have-lead-in-1992-case-of-missing-women-girl/article/3786407

I imagine she's not liking it now, other than the notion that any publicity is good.

While I never explored this case, it is aggravating that the authorities apparently ignored or downplayed the possibility of family property being used to conceal the bodies. Not the direct property, used by Beverly or Chad, but within the family and nearby. Accessible. I found no mention that this property had been considered previously. In true crime cases this is a frequent option, seeking ground you have access to, or familiarity with. It reminds me of another common variable -- water. When someone disappears, look to the water, whether or not it supposedly has been fully checked. Water has a remarkable ability to clutch and conceal, like that screenwriter headed back to California who drove the wrong way, or the more recent students who went missing on college campuses. There were one or two Unsolved Mysteries cases like that, with shallow water and bodies eventually discovered, launching conspiracy claims while I'd bet on normalcy.

Wow. I just happened to see this in my news feed on MSN. As soon as I saw "1992," I was hoping that it was Wendy and her family.

So glad the family can finally get some answers. So sorry they had to wait 20 years for it.

Hey welcome back Ricci. The story is trending on Yahoo now. I would hope someone from the forums would go over there and set the facts straight as those commenting are generally confused as to the circumstances of this case.

Sprinkle PEPPER on it? What the? Why? Huh?


How does that even REMOTELY make sense?

If Chad was the one who tipped off the cops to the house, does this mean there's a possibility he had nothing to do with the actual murders but knew about it or his this his attempt at saving his hide to cast the blame on his mother and others?

:wave: It looks to me like the whole lott of the Noe's need to be arrested, with the exception of Jonathan whom was around three years old when his mother, sister and aunt vanished, from walmart parking lot in Chandler, I thought that was the stupidist thing I had ever heard twenty years ago, and hearing it again makes me even sicker. First of all I can't believe that nobody seen Wendy at the Shamrock convience store making her two phone calls to her husband. For those of you that aren't familar with the town it is very, very, small. It is a blink and you miss it town, that is well known for one of the worst speed traps in oklahoma due to the fact that the patrol car hides right off the main hwy watching all vehicles coming and going, from my research Beverly was driving an 80's model Auddi which would attract attention. A question that I have why would Chad and whom ever meet his mom and grandma and the girls at the convience store? To have everyone follow him back to his house and have mom and grandma leave? Smell a Rat, and was he living in town or the country? I notice that a Chad Noe got married on May 17th 1992, and the girls disappeared May 29th 1992 from Shamrock Okla. and Wendy was wanting her son. Now granted folks it was Memorial weekend or at least I think it was can't tell me that Grovers pickup, or Chads vehicle wasn't spotted going North to Jennings or South to Bristow?

I think that Beverly, Ida, and Chad were all in on it. I can't wait to watch the finger pointing between Beverly and Chad...

That picture, BTW, was awful. To see the skeletons in the clothing they were described as being missing in.... in my line of work, I've seen quite a few autopsy photos, but that was pretty jarring.

I think the article stating that Chad Noe tipped the police is a mistake. Aisha even commented on that article and said it was Beverly Noe's brother Grover Prewitt who tipped the police.

I read the probable cause statement linked above and it mentions only Grover dealing with the police, not Chad. He was wired twice and sent to get information from the people involved. He deliberately ignored the authorities instructions of what to do, interrupting people who were giving details of the crime to keep them from incriminating themselves on the secret tape. He even ripped off the wires from the recording device so they would hang out of his clothes and be seen by the people he was talking to, and they were seen and commented on. He then lied to the cops about what was said on tape, even though they were still able to hear the recording clearly. He was doing all this just a few days ago, not way back when these murders first happened. He may be looking at some prison time for that "accessory after the fact" stuff he was charged with. He was really working it to keep the cops from getting evidence after he had agreed to be wired up.

IMO, there are some local officials involved with this after the fact. You don't have 3 young people missing under suspicious circumstances and not inspect the property of the people last known to see the victims alive. That was a large burial site and there would have been a huge amount of recently disturbed soil that would be obvious to the naked eye if there had been a proper investigation done. The property was registered first in Grover's name, then he sold it to his mom, Ida, and it was registered in her name. Easy for cops to find if they wanted to search property records in the suspects names, but not so easy to find if they're refusing to even investigate.

NECCO, I read that either Beverly or Ida (can't remember which) told Grover to put black pepper on the site because it confuses the sniffer dogs so they wouldn't find the bodies. Sounds like she was anticipating an investigation that never happened and was desperate to conceal the evidence.

NECCO, I read that either Beverly or Ida (can't remember which) told Grover to put black pepper on the site because it confuses the sniffer dogs so they wouldn't find the bodies. Sounds like she was anticipating an investigation that never happened and was desperate to conceal the evidence.

Yeah, I was just questioning the logic of that. Wouldn't all the sniffer dogs having sneezing fits in the same place seem a little odd?

I can't believe that nobody seen Wendy at the Shamrock convience store making her two phone calls to her husband. For those of you that aren't familar with the town it is very, very, small. It is a blink and you miss it town, that is well known for one of the worst speed traps in oklahoma due to the fact that the patrol car hides right off the main hwy watching all vehicles coming and going, from my research Beverly was driving an 80's model Auddi which would attract attention. A question that I have why would Chad and whom ever meet his mom and grandma and the girls at the convience store? To have everyone follow him back to his house and have mom and grandma leave?

We talked about this in the other Wendy Camp thread about 2 years back, right after Aisha was interviewed on that internet radio station. It is on police record that Wendy called her mother from a payphone right outside that gas station and it took place some time after Wendy's last phone call to Leon at 4:45 p.m.

Wendy told her mother during that last phone call that Cynthia started crying in the car because she was hungry. So they pulled into that gas station. Since Wendy didn't have her wallet on her, Beverly blew a fit because she had to pitch a couple bucks to buy a soda and some candy for Cynthia. The two of them were inside when Wendy noticed the payphone outside the gas station and that's when Wendy got out of the car to make that call and it only lasted a couple minutes. However, it was never mentioned WHERE that gas station was.

After leaving the gas station, I always believed Beverly drove the three of them to the murder site. And I still believe that now.

Beverly's story was always mathematically impossible. Just before leaving Shamrock, Wendy made her last phone call to Leon at 4:45 p.m. and according to Beverly, she kicked the three ladies out at the Chandler Walmart at approximately 5:45 p.m. That's just one hour to drive for a while, turn around and drive back to Shamrock to drop off Ida, drive for a while again, stop at the gas station, and then eventually arrive in Chandler. Driving 40 miles on a slower two lane highway with all those stops and turnarounds would only be possible if you had a jet. In other words, Beverly is a liar. But we already knew this.

The bodies were discovered in Jennings, which is just 18 miles from Shamrock. That's where Beverly drove after leaving the gas station, contrary to what she's always stated. I have no doubt about it.

Wendy told her mother during that last phone call that Cynthia started crying in the car because she was hungry. So they pulled into that gas station. Since Wendy didn't have her wallet on her, Beverly blew a fit because she had to pitch a couple bucks to buy a soda and some candy for Cynthia.

Man, when you realize that Beverly was throwing a hissy fit about having to pay a couple bucks to buy food for a child she was going to murder in a matter of minutes, the whole thing is even more twisted :mad: !

I'm sure Beverly was probably angry when she saw Wendy making an unscheduled phone call because it was going to blow an extra hole into her already flimsy cover story.

Okay, here's another interesting twist. When Grover was asked to wear a wire, they not only wanted him to get Beverly to talk about the murders of the three women, but also about the homicide of a man named John Rausin.
http://www.ozarkssentinel.com/oklahoma-makes-arrest-in-21-year-old-disappearance-case-as-springfield-police-still-fail-to-produce-results-in-21-year-old-springfield-missing-three.html

I did a search on that name, and apparently this Rausin was a 63-year old Oklahoma man who was murdered in 1980:
http://crimesceneinvestigations.blogspot.ca/

Man, it sounds this family's got some other skeletons in their closet!

Wow. Another one on its way to being closed. I can't wait to see this family rot in jail.

My thoughts are with the victims' families. Justice is near.

That article does make it sound like someone other than Grover Prewitt was the original tipster a few months back. I can't really think of a reason that Chad would want to call in that information unless he thought he could get rid of his mother and her brother and get his inheritance early, once they went to prison. Maybe Chad's son wanted to get the family property and thought he could get Chad, Beverly, and Grover all sent to prison? IDK...

And what the heck about the other murder victim from all the way back in 1980!? I can't believe these people have been getting away with so much for all these years. I think the only real jail time they've ever done was a few months for that insurance fraud arson back around 2007. Creepy people.... and they're still lying and scamming today.

Man, when you realize that Beverly was throwing a hissy fit about having to pay a couple bucks to buy food for a child she was going to murder in a matter of minutes, the whole thing is even more twisted :mad: !

I'm sure Beverly was probably angry when she saw Wendy making an unscheduled phone call because it was going to blow an extra hole into her already flimsy cover story.

My g-d! How heartless can a person be?

Did anyone post this April 19, 1983 article yet:

http://newsok.com/woman-mom-held-in-death/article/2025485

The man, John Rausin, murdered in 1980 was Ida Prewitt's son in law! How do this bunch keep getting away with these crimes with little or no prison time? I think it has to do with OSBI's continued incompetence and Creek County official's stupidity. I've been reading some of Creek County's recent cases and they seem to have problems with railroading innocent people EVEN WHEN THEY KNOW THEY'RE INNOCENT and sending the guilty home with an AttaBoy.

Ida Prewitt, 54, and her daughter, Deborah Rausin, 33, both of Cleveland, are accused of the June 12, 1980, slaying of Rausin's husband, John Elmer Rausin of Depew.

The women were being held at the Creek County Jail in Bristow Wednesday night. They are expected to make an initial appearance in Creek County District Court today, authorities said.

Rausin was attacked in his garage as he was leaving for work in the eastern Oklahoma community of Depew. He was shot twice, stabbed 10 times and his throat was slit. He was found near his car in the garage by a neighbor about 8:30 a.m. Paul Renfrow, a spokesman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the women were arrested by OSBI agents, and Pawnee and Creek county sheriff's deputies.

Totally speculating, but I wonder if this "Deborah Johnson" who Grover Prewitt has been recording secretly for the police regarding John Rausin's case, is actually John's widow and Ida's daughter, Deborah Rausin? In the recordings, she says cops asked her about his murder way back when it happened.

Did anyone post this April 19, 1983 article yet:

http://newsok.com/woman-mom-held-in-death/article/2025485

The man, John Rausin, murdered in 1980 was Ida Prewitt's son in law! How do this bunch keep getting away with these crimes with little or no prison time? I think it has to do with OSBI's continued incompetence and Creek County official's stupidity. I've been reading some of Creek County's recent cases and they seem to have problems with railroading innocent people EVEN WHEN THEY KNOW THEY'RE INNOCENT and sending the guilty home with an AttaBoy.

Ida Prewitt, 54, and her daughter, Deborah Rausin, 33, both of Cleveland, are accused of the June 12, 1980, slaying of Rausin's husband, John Elmer Rausin of Depew.

The women were being held at the Creek County Jail in Bristow Wednesday night. They are expected to make an initial appearance in Creek County District Court today, authorities said.

Rausin was attacked in his garage as he was leaving for work in the eastern Oklahoma community of Depew. He was shot twice, stabbed 10 times and his throat was slit. He was found near his car in the garage by a neighbor about 8:30 a.m. Paul Renfrow, a spokesman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the women were arrested by OSBI agents, and Pawnee and Creek county sheriff's deputies.

Totally speculating, but I wonder if this "Deborah Johnson" who Grover Prewitt has been recording secretly for the police regarding John Rausin's case, is actually John's widow and Ida's daughter, Deborah Rausin? In the recordings, she says cops asked her about his murder way back when it happened.


OMG!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!! I can't even believe this! No wonder that Pruitt/Noe family has been so supremely confident over the years....they never get caught for anything...until now :)
I can't help but feel even worse now for Wendy. The poor thing was a young mother on her own, met Chad, and had no idea what she was getting involved with. Great find, TracyLynn, good job!

Wow, terrific find on that John Rausin story! That's unbelievable! I was looking back at some old posts from Aisha where she talked about Ida's husband being a powerful figure in the "Dixie Mafia". Yeah, I can believe that family must have some very powerful connections if they keep getting away with this stuff! I've been doing some more searching on this old story and can't find more information, so I have no idea how Ida and her daughter went from being held in jail on suspicion murder to being free again. Considering how invincible this family seems to be, I'm amazed Ida and Beverly served any time at all for that insurance fraud scheme.

Also, it's pretty weird how that other blog article said John Rausin was 63 years old when he died, which would mean Ida's son-in-law was several years older than she was!

Why do I think perhaps we should start looking at other missing persons in the area?

I can't take credit for discovering that old article about John Rausin.

I was just lurking around at websleuths again and someone there had posted a link to it in the most recent thread about this case.

Shocking info, tho. I had just assumed that Mr. Rausin was a victim they scammed or double crossed in some crime they were involved in. Can't believe he was their own relative, and it was such a brutal murder.

Then it looks like 12 years later they were able to kill two women in their early 20s and little 6 year old girl, leaving Lisa's children and Wendy's son without their mothers.... and then go on TV and lie about it all, seeming to enjoy all the national attention! And like Necco, I'm also now wondering if there are any more victims they are responsible for. This case has already turned out to be so much worse than I imagined....

I feel so bad that Wendy ever got involved with this family. She had finally found a great guy in Leon. He was a loving, devoted husband to her, and a good step father to Cynthia. I think things were finally going well in her personal life and there would have been many years of happiness ahead for all of them.

glad to hear that they were finally found...hopefully justice will be served. prayers go out to the family of the victims.

Perhaps they should throw Beverley and Chad into an 8 foot hole....ALIVE! :mad:

Hang on a minute, that would be too good for them. I mean we ARE talking about people who held a gun to a child's head and pulled the trigger.

I watched the Video from the link pasted earlier and Wendy's son certainly looks like her.

Well I'm glad Wendy got to see her son one more time before she died.

As for Chad and Beverly, child-killers aren't too popular in prisons.

Did anyone post this April 19, 1983 article yet:

http://newsok.com/woman-mom-held-in-death/article/2025485

The man, John Rausin, murdered in 1980 was Ida Prewitt's son in law! How do this bunch keep getting away with these crimes with little or no prison time? I think it has to do with OSBI's continued incompetence and Creek County official's stupidity. I've been reading some of Creek County's recent cases and they seem to have problems with railroading innocent people EVEN WHEN THEY KNOW THEY'RE INNOCENT and sending the guilty home with an AttaBoy.

Ida Prewitt, 54, and her daughter, Deborah Rausin, 33, both of Cleveland, are accused of the June 12, 1980, slaying of Rausin's husband, John Elmer Rausin of Depew.

The women were being held at the Creek County Jail in Bristow Wednesday night. They are expected to make an initial appearance in Creek County District Court today, authorities said.

Rausin was attacked in his garage as he was leaving for work in the eastern Oklahoma community of Depew. He was shot twice, stabbed 10 times and his throat was slit. He was found near his car in the garage by a neighbor about 8:30 a.m. Paul Renfrow, a spokesman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the women were arrested by OSBI agents, and Pawnee and Creek county sheriff's deputies.

Totally speculating, but I wonder if this "Deborah Johnson" who Grover Prewitt has been recording secretly for the police regarding John Rausin's case, is actually John's widow and Ida's daughter, Deborah Rausin? In the recordings, she says cops asked her about his murder way back when it happened.

Christ, was Ida Prewitt the devil incarnate or what?! I had no idea she was held in jail over the death of this man, John Rausin. And yes, I think "Deborah Johnson" was really Deborah Rausin, because Grover Prewitt kept asking her about the Rausin homicide when he was wearing the wire.

To think, if the cops actually nailed Ida Prewitt back when John Rausin was murdered, Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa could still be alive.

Christ, was Ida Prewitt the devil incarnate or what?! I had no idea she was held in jail over the death of this man, John Rausin. And yes, I think "Deborah Johnson" was really Deborah Rausin, because Grover Prewitt kept asking her about the Rausin homicide when he was wearing the wire.

yes,a lot of times,a simple name is chosen (like johnson),instead of the real one in a crime.recall the UM case where the man called himself "sam jones"?

To think, if the cops actually nailed Ida Prewitt back when John Rausin was murdered, Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa could still be alive.
yes it was 'fuel for the fire', so to speak.iow-she'd gotten away with it before,so it gave her the confidence she needed to go for it again.very sad.you have to STOMP someone like that the first time!

I always felt that Ida, Chad and Beverly killed Wendy simply because she was in the way of their plans to keep Jonathan. And it's sad and eerie that Wendy possibly knew she wouldn't be safe with them so she took Lisa and Cynthia in the chance that maybe they wouldn't harm her with them along. Yet they did anyway. It's despicable enough they killed a woman unable to take care of herself (my mother has MS so I know how weakening the disease can be) but to also kill a 6 year-old child and a young woman they had no beef with is downright disgusting. It also doesn't surprise me that the remains were found on Ida's brother's property and probably helped with the murders. Families like that usually have no qualms when it comes to crime.

I absolutely agree - beyond disgutsing to do that to those innocent people just so that there would be no witnesses to tell on them. If I correctly remember from the UM segment the husband of Wendy was highly suspiscious of the sudden call from Beverly and had asked his sister to go with them as he didn't trust Ida, Chad and Beverly. At last this mystery is solved but so sad this was the outcome and apparantly LE missed oppotunites to do a more thorough investigations into this family sooner and the truth of what happend

Those quotes from Beverly are a joke. I don't need to hear from her that she's "shocked" the bodies were found after 20 years. She never even mentions being shocked that the bodies were found on HER FAMILY'S PROPERTY!

She's in desperation mode now, still trying to stick to her story of dropping the three off in Chandler by saying, "I swear to GOD." :rolleyes:

If she had nothing to do with the killings, that would mean her brother or some random stranger conveniently was in that Walmart parking lot, 40 miles from home, at the exact moment the three women were kicked out of the car, then he picked them up or kidnapped them (because Lord knows its really easy to kidnap three people in a Walmart parking lot in the middle of the afternoon on a Saturday without anyone seeing anything) drive the 40 miles to Jennings and bury the bodies and not know a thing about it for 20 years.

The police CANNOT be stupid enough to believe that could ever happen. Throw Beverly in jail NOW! Haven't people been arrested before on less evidence than this?

AMEN:D completely agree

If only the guy from the Steve Wilkos show who does the lie dectors could be the guy to give Beverly hers.

So back in '92 the Walmart had no security cameras for the parking for the police to view and tell Bev/Ida they can see they were not dropped off there. How could the police apparanlty not have done a more thorough investigation into that family?! Isn't this new info enough to throw her back in jail after for whatever reason her and Ida committing arson

Did anyone post this April 19, 1983 article yet:

Rausin was attacked in his garage as he was leaving for work in the eastern Oklahoma community of Depew. He was shot twice, stabbed 10 times and his throat was slit. He was found near his car in the garage by a neighbor about 8:30 a.m. Paul Renfrow, a spokesman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the women were arrested by OSBI agents, and Pawnee and Creek county sheriff's deputies.[/COLOR]

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I noticed that too! :lol:

My thoughts are, so far, that Grover Pruitt/Prewitt (who the fuk names their kid Grover??) was sort of cooperating, then changing his mind with the wires, etc...and now the cops have decided to lay that charge on him to make him spill the beans on everyone. I think he'll roll over and eventually squeal on Beverly to save his own nasty skin. I think that's why there haven't been any other charges laid yet...I think the cops want to get them, but they want to get them right! I'd much rather see them take sometime to get an air-tight case than arrest Beverly with circumstantial evidence.

Also, as many of you know, I have spoken to Aisha. We've never met and we aren't what you would call friends, more like I am an extreme supporter of her efforts...she called me a cheerleader, actually! LOL. (Which of course I loved!). Anyway, my point is that the Noe/Prewitt family sooo picked the wrong woman to anger...Aisha is a firey redhead that WILL NOT quit. She hasn't quit for years, and she I know she will not quit until people are in jail for this. From speaking with her recently and reading/listening to interviews she has given over the years, she's a sweet, kind and smart woman, but if you mess with her or her family, she's never going to rest. I think that takes a lot of guts. The stress and the weight of it all must be so exhausting. So the good news is that LE better do something, because if not (and I think they will) Aisha will be making all kinds of noise and stirring sh1t up until something is done about it. Beverly Noe is NOT getting away with anything this time, that's for SURE!

My thoughts are, so far, that Grover Pruitt/Prewitt (who the fuk names their kid Grover??) was sort of cooperating, then changing his mind with the wires, etc...and now the cops have decided to lay that charge on him to make him spill the beans on everyone. I think he'll roll over and eventually squeal on Beverly to save his own nasty skin. I think that's why there haven't been any other charges laid yet...I think the cops want to get them, but they want to get them right! I'd much rather see them take sometime to get an air-tight case than arrest Beverly with circumstantial evidence.

Also, as many of you know, I have spoken to Aisha. We've never met and we aren't what you would call friends, more like I am an extreme supporter of her efforts...she called me a cheerleader, actually! LOL. (Which of course I loved!). Anyway, my point is that the Noe/Prewitt family sooo picked the wrong woman to anger...Aisha is a firey redhead that WILL NOT quit. She hasn't quit for years, and she I know she will not quit until people are in jail for this. From speaking with her recently and reading/listening to interviews she has given over the years, she's a sweet, kind and smart woman, but if you mess with her or her family, she's never going to rest. I think that takes a lot of guts. The stress and the weight of it all must be so exhausting. So the good news is that LE better do something, because if not (and I think they will) Aisha will be making all kinds of noise and stirring sh1t up until something is done about it. Beverly Noe is NOT getting away with anything this time, that's for SURE!

It may just be speculation and I don't expect you or anyone else to break any trust or confidence you may have established with Aisha or the rest of Wendy's family, but do you know how they feel about Jonathan?

He was, after all, the reason why Wendy made that visit to the Noe home in 1992. I am sure Wendy loved him very much. I'd also imagine that he may have been brainwashed by Ida, Beverly, and Chad over the years, maybe to the point of saying negative things about his mother, but I have no idea what kind of man he has become.

It may just be speculation and I don't expect you or anyone else to break any trust or confidence you may have established with Aisha or the rest of Wendy's family, but do you know how they feel about Jonathan?

He was, after all, the reason why Wendy made that visit to the Noe home in 1992. I am sure Wendy loved him very much. I'd also imagine that he may have been brainwashed by Ida, Beverly, and Chad over the years, maybe to the point of saying negative things about his mother, but I have no idea what kind of man he has become.

I don't know much about him nowadays, but he was interviewed briefly in one of the news videos that you'll find somewhere in this thread, and he seemed relieved that they had finally been found.

I don't know much about him nowadays, but he was interviewed briefly in one of the news videos that you'll find somewhere in this thread, and he seemed relieved that they had finally been found.


In another article, there's a link to an interview with Beverly where she says something to the effect of "he just wants to put all this behind him now". She also says he's living with her, which is what I think her motive was in wanting Wendy out of the picture.

It may just be speculation and I don't expect you or anyone else to break any trust or confidence you may have established with Aisha or the rest of Wendy's family, but do you know how they feel about Jonathan?

He was, after all, the reason why Wendy made that visit to the Noe home in 1992. I am sure Wendy loved him very much. I'd also imagine that he may have been brainwashed by Ida, Beverly, and Chad over the years, maybe to the point of saying negative things about his mother, but I have no idea what kind of man he has become.




He was an innocent child when all of this went down, and it's not his fault, that he was born into this crazy psycho family on the paternal side. So if he ever did ever hear of the family secret it's so bizarre who in the world would actually believe that it's true. I'm sure he was brain washed, I can't believe that he wasn't. A whole life of lies it would be hard to know what is real and what isn't.

In another article, there's a link to an interview with Beverly where she says something to the effect of "he just wants to put all this behind him now". She also says he's living with her, which is what I think her motive was in wanting Wendy out of the picture.

I just wonder why Beverly chose that particular weekend to carry out the plan of getting rid of Wendy once for all. According to the UM segment, Chad had full custody of Jonathan and was able to call all the shots because of Wendy's multiple sclerosis. I don't recall it ever being mentioned that Wendy was in any process of being able to obtain legal custody of him. She basically was at Chad's mercy when it came to being able to see her son. So if you're not in any danger of losing Jonathan, why go to such extremes that includes killing a 6 year old girl and an in-law you had never met before?

Like a few people mentioned some pages back in this thread, there has to be more than just wanting custody. This is a family of criminals as we would later find out when Beverly and Ida were thrown in jail for arson. They're bound to have many more skeletons in their closet. And since Jonathan was just starting to talk at the time, I'm sure Beverly was afraid he might say something to Wendy eventually about stuff he saw his father, grandmother and Ms. Personality herself, great-grandma Ida do. If Wendy is out of the picture, those problems go away.

The bottom line is that it's very, critically important that Beverly and Chad are thrown in jail. Because marrying into that family has proven to be a VERY costly mistake not once but twice, that we know of. If Beverly is not in jail, than I could very easily imagine her sprinkling pepper over the grave of Jonathan's future wife, who met the wrong end of a gun like previous in-laws to that family.

I can't completely figure out why the Noes were so desperate to keep Wendy's son all to themselves.

The don't seem like the type, at all, who would are interested in raising a small child and taking on all the demands that it entails... expenses, lost sleep, messes kids make, etc. They seem more like the type who get rid of their "burdens" rather than dealing with them.

Did they want custody of him just to win?

Were they afraid visits by Wendy would reveal any criminal activities they were involved in and wanted to keep her away and eventually get rid of her to keep her from finding out anything illegal they might be involved it?

Would they have gotten any kind of government benefits (money, etc) from having custody of Jonathan? Was he due any kind of support because his mother was disabled and/or his father was basically absent? If it was known that Jonathan's mother was dead, would he have gotten any type of Social Security death benefit due to being orphaned?

In the other major thread on this case, Wendy's sister did mention that Noe family didn't really "parent" Jonathan, as far as making sure he went to school, etc, and this caused problems when he was with his maternal grandparents, since they expected him to clean his room, go to school, and grow up with some moral guidance.

And what a horrible situation this all turned out to be. The people who raised Wendy's little boy were apparently a very dangerous, multi generational, entire family of criminals/murderers.

When I spoke to Aisha, we didn't talk about Jonathan....not that we were avoiding the subject, we were just yapping away about the case itself. I did read somewhere what TracyLynn just posted, that Aisha once said something to the effect that the child really wasn't parented well/often.

I'm not sure why Beverly chose to carry out the plan at that particular time, either. Maybe Wendy knew some things that she shouldn't have? After all, she was married to Chad, so who knows what dirt she might of overheard. Dynoguy pointed out that Chad had sole custody and was calling the shots....but if my memory is correct, I don't think that was true. I think the judge found Chad in contempt and ordered him to allow Wendy to see her son (and Chad and family kept hiding from her, or moving, or changing the phone number, etc). Well, if Wendy was anything like Aisha, she wouldn't have taken this lightly or been quiet about it. I'm pretty sure Wendy was fed up and wanted to see her son. I think that's why she took the bait when they called her and asked her if she wanted to visit. I think she was just sooo happy to be able to see her child that she was blinded, at least for a moment, as to how evil those Noe's really were/are. Leon, of course, not being as emotionally invested as Wendy, sensed danger...and knowing that he couldn't go with her due to the tension between him and Chad, he sent his sister because he didn't trust them. Anyway, the point to my rant is that if I had to GUESS as to why Beverly chose that weekend to murder them, my best guess would be that either Wendy knew some dirt on them, OR more likely, Wendy was making all kinds of noise about not being able to see her child. I'm sure she really was "gripin' and b1tchin'", because if someone was preventing me from seeing my child, I'd be fukkin mad as hell. I think Wendy just became too much of a problem for Beverly and Chad, and they just decided they would kill her (apparently she got away with it once, so why not do it again?). They tried to get rid of her when she became ill, then when she started to get better they made up the abuse charges, then when the court ordered Chad to allow Wendy visitation they moved and hid from her....but Wendy wouldn't stop. I feel like she became too much of an issue and they realized the ONLY way to get rid of her...was unfortunately, to get rid of her. :(

I hope the Noe's get what they deserve, REAL soon!

Here's a quote I found from an old post Aisha made in another thread here in regards to Jonathan...

Johnathan has a really bad learning disabilty, he has NO co-ordination, and he is sweet as can be, but just not really "there" like you would expect.

I'm pretty sure I also heard Aisha remark about how sweet and good-natured Jonathan is during her Websleuths interview. I wouldn't be surprised if Aisha and her family will try to help Jonathan out if the Noes wind up going to prison.

Have there been charges filed or arrests made yet, in regards to the remains of Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia being found?

So was Ida Prewitt the person that actually killed that John Rausin guy in 1980?

I just wonder why Beverly chose that particular weekend to carry out the plan of getting rid of Wendy once for all. According to the UM segment, Chad had full custody of Jonathan and was able to call all the shots because of Wendy's multiple sclerosis. I don't recall it ever being mentioned that Wendy was in any process of being able to obtain legal custody of him. She basically was at Chad's mercy when it came to being able to see her son. So if you're not in any danger of losing Jonathan, why go to such extremes that includes killing a 6 year old girl and an in-law you had never met before?

I think the Noe's saw Wendy's prescence as a burden to them. They wanted Jonathan all to themselves, and with Wendy around, naturally, she's going to want to have visitation rights and she's going to want to see her son. I don't think they were in danger of losing him, just that they wanted total control.

Like a few people mentioned some pages back in this thread, there has to be more than just wanting custody. This is a family of criminals as we would later find out when Beverly and Ida were thrown in jail for arson. They're bound to have many more skeletons in their closet. And since Jonathan was just starting to talk at the time, I'm sure Beverly was afraid he might say something to Wendy eventually about stuff he saw his father, grandmother and Ms. Personality herself, great-grandma Ida do. If Wendy is out of the picture, those problems go away.

This is another good point. And IIRC, the UM segment made mention that the Noe's claimed that Jonathan was being sexually abused by Leon Camp (which turned out to be a flat out fabrication). I suppose they thought this would be a way to get Wendy out of the picture, but when it was proven that Leon was innocent, Wendy comes back into the picture. But I can totally see where Jonathan may have said something to Wendy and Leon about being coaxed by the Noes into lying against them or maybe something illegal that they were involved in.

The bottom line is that it's very, critically important that Beverly and Chad are thrown in jail. Because marrying into that family has proven to be a VERY costly mistake not once but twice, that we know of. If Beverly is not in jail, than I could very easily imagine her sprinkling pepper over the grave of Jonathan's future wife, who met the wrong end of a gun like previous in-laws to that family.

Absolutely agree. Beverly, IMO, is the most guilty. I believe this is why Chad and Ida appeared on UM, but Beverly did not. I believe Chad knew what was going to happen that day, but he did not take part in the actual murders. I believe Beverly and Ida were the ones directly involved in killing Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia. Chad probably helped with the coverup. I just hope more arrests happen soon. The families need justice.

IDK,I mean,Chad was the one who bragged about killing all 3 of them.And then..all 3 of them are found.
And then beverly was in a hurry...why? to meet chad,who was to do the actual killing?
then they supposedly met at a restaurant..impossible timewise,but it seems to me,chad was out and about,so were they covering their tracks,in case he was seen? idk the exact paths they would have taken (can anyone do a map,based on what we know at this point,would that be ok? vs. what path beverly said they took).
Perhaps the UM segment can be used to make a case against him/them in court? He didn't know who all was interveiwed,obviously,and he was covering all bases when he said it,in case someone he'd bragged to came fwd.just a thought.

They'll get Chad and Beverly eventually. It can't be too much longer now.

Has anyone heard if Chad's whereabouts have been discovered? Kinda hard to keep tabs on a guy if no one knows where he is...

I unfortunately can't find it but one of the reports said Chad was the tipster. I am not sure if this report was in error or not.

Wow. I came over to the forums for a totally different reason, and I find this. The picture of the skeletons was sad. But I am ecstatic that the Camp and Kreiger (sure I misspelled that, I apologize) families finally know truly what happened to their loved ones. And I'm with you all- the Noes are going down. It''s about time.

Tell Aisha that my thoughts are with her and her family. And I know we haven't heard much of Leon. I hope if he is still alive that he finds peace as well.

I just found this article online from yesterday that says that investigators have found three bodies in a field in Oklahoma that they believe may be Wendy Camp, her daughter Cynthia and her sister-in-law Lisa.
http://newsok.com/investigators-in-oklahoma-find-three-bodies-sources-report/article/3787211

It would be amazing if they were actually found, and the article suggests that the investigators don't believe the Noe family's story, so if the bodies are the three womens', then they may face charges!

This case is currently on lifetime

Wow. I came over to the forums for a totally different reason, and I find this. The picture of the skeletons was sad. But I am ecstatic that the Camp and Kreiger (sure I misspelled that, I apologize) families finally know truly what happened to their loved ones. And I'm with you all- the Noes are going down. It''s about time.

Tell Aisha that my thoughts are with her and her family. And I know we haven't heard much of Leon. I hope if he is still alive that he finds peace as well.

Leon is still alive. He recently posted on Websleuths in response to the recent developments in this case. Sounds like he's at least relieved that all of this will hopefully be over soon.

P.S. It's spelled "Kregear" in case you were wondering.

Leon is still alive. He recently posted on Websleuths in response to the recent developments in this case. Sounds like he's at least relieved that all of this will hopefully be over soon.

P.S. It's spelled "Kregear" in case you were wondering.

Thanks for that, and for the update on Leon Camp.

Leon is still alive. He recently posted on Websleuths in response to the recent developments in this case. Sounds like he's at least relieved that all of this will hopefully be over soon.

P.S. It's spelled "Kregear" in case you were wondering.

What all did Leon say over on websleuths?

Lifetime did air the UM Farina version of this case yesterday but no update, not even a typed one.

Not sure if this has been posted yet but if you stand to listen to her here's a video interview of Beverly Noe proclaiming her innocence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/03/beverly-noe-says-she-didn_n_3211987.html

Yeah, I checked the Websleuths thread and can't find any comments from Leon. However, he did comment on this article using his Facebook profile:
http://www.news9.com/story/22142418/one-arrested-after-remains-of-3-victims-found-in-pawnee-county

Yeah, I checked the Websleuths thread and can't find any comments from Leon. However, he did comment on this article using his Facebook profile:
http://www.news9.com/story/22142418/one-arrested-after-remains-of-3-victims-found-in-pawnee-county

Sorry, that's what I meant to say in the first place. I knew he had commented, but I thought it was in the Websleuths forum. Sorry.

I'm curious....why are some news and media outlets describing to the 3 victims in this case as "women" while it's obvious that one of the victims is a 6 year old baby?

"Man accused in Okla. cold case pleads innocent"

http://www.news9.com/story/22213769/alleged-accessory-due-in-court-in-okla-cold-case


...No one has been charged in the deaths of Wendy Camp, her daughter and a sister-in-law, but prosecutors allege Prewitt's mother and other family members were involved


Not yet, but they will be!

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-man-accused-in-cold-case-involving-three-deaths-pleads-innocent/article/3808345?custom_click=pod_headline_crime

The second article says that the bodies were buried at separate times...weird! Wonder how they figured that one out and what the significance is.

Edit: Oh, my bad! They were referring to the land being owned at separate times. :o

I hope they are able to make a case against some of the other guilty parties. I can't imagine they would be able to get out of this, but stranger things have happened.

I hope they are able to make a case against some of the other guilty parties. I can't imagine they would be able to get out of this, but stranger things have happened.

Well, the Noes and Ida Prewitt had opportunity, means, and motive to begin with, but we didn't have bodies. Now we have bodies and corroborating evidence, coupled with a witness that is now being charged with covering up the crime.

Sounds like enough for a case to me!

I'm interested to see what the ballistic evidence shows, and if they would be able to trace some murder weapons.

We talked about this in the other Wendy Camp thread about 2 years back, right after Aisha was interviewed on that internet radio station. It is on police record that Wendy called her mother from a payphone right outside that gas station and it took place some time after Wendy's last phone call to Leon at 4:45 p.m.

Wendy told her mother during that last phone call that Cynthia started crying in the car because she was hungry. So they pulled into that gas station. Since Wendy didn't have her wallet on her, Beverly blew a fit because she had to pitch a couple bucks to buy a soda and some candy for Cynthia. The two of them were inside when Wendy noticed the payphone outside the gas station and that's when Wendy got out of the car to make that call and it only lasted a couple minutes. However, it was never mentioned WHERE that gas station was.

After leaving the gas station, I always believed Beverly drove the three of them to the murder site. And I still believe that now.

Beverly's story was always mathematically impossible. Just before leaving Shamrock, Wendy made her last phone call to Leon at 4:45 p.m. and according to Beverly, she kicked the three ladies out at the Chandler Walmart at approximately 5:45 p.m. That's just one hour to drive for a while, turn around and drive back to Shamrock to drop off Ida, drive for a while again, stop at the gas station, and then eventually arrive in Chandler. Driving 40 miles on a slower two lane highway with all those stops and turnarounds would only be possible if you had a jet. In other words, Beverly is a liar. But we already knew this.

The bodies were discovered in Jennings, which is just 18 miles from Shamrock. That's where Beverly drove after leaving the gas station, contrary to what she's always stated. I have no doubt about it.

Excellent theory and possibility. It always struck me as downright evil that people could speak of these three victims on camera with such callous, despicable behavior. Hell even if you dont like them, at least pretend to be hopeful that they are ok.

Man, when you realize that Beverly was throwing a hissy fit about having to pay a couple bucks to buy food for a child she was going to murder in a matter of minutes, the whole thing is even more twisted :mad: !

I'm sure Beverly was probably angry when she saw Wendy making an unscheduled phone call because it was going to blow an extra hole into her already flimsy cover story.

I was JUST about to say that. Add in the fact that its just a little kid and it makes it even more evil.

Has anyone found any updated news reports on the charges, interrogations, investigation?

I don't know if all of the following has been discussed here or if I saw some of it on websleuths but I do know that a websleuths member noticed that in the crime scene photo released, there was a large bladed knife near Wendy's body. There was blue cord around Lisa's body that could have been used as a binding.

Most disturbing, imo, is what those murderers did to little Cynthia. Her head and ankles have very obvious duct tape still wrapped around them, 21 years later.

This was not a quick killing. These people suffered through a violent premeditated multiple murder. It seems to me that they were terrorized for some time before they died. The hole was pre-dug and very deep. At least one victim, a child, was bound.

This makes me wonder how long the killers held them against their will; were they made to watch as each one was killed and pushed into the hole, hearing the gunshots; and why was Cynthia duct taped? Especially around her head? Did they keep her longer? Did they use the tape to blindfold her? Suffocate her? Gag her to keep her screams and crying from drawing attention or aggravating the killers?

And knowing all that had happened, these idiots were able to go on tv and brag about being in a drunken stupor and complain about having to deal with Jonathan's Mother, Sister, and Aunt, on the rare time they were even permitted to visit.

I sure hope whoever judges this case learns the full truth and that the guilty are severely punished.

Has anyone found any updated news reports on the charges, interrogations, investigation?

I don't know if all of the following has been discussed here or if I saw some of it on websleuths but I do know that a websleuths member noticed that in the crime scene photo released, there was a large bladed knife near Wendy's body. There was blue cord around Lisa's body that could have been used as a binding.

Most disturbing, imo, is what those murderers did to little Cynthia. Her head and ankles have very obvious duct tape still wrapped around them, 21 years later.

This was not a quick killing. These people suffered through a violent premeditated multiple murder. It seems to me that they were terrorized for some time before they died. The hole was pre-dug and very deep. At least one victim, a child, was bound.

This makes me wonder how long the killers held them against their will; were they made to watch as each one was killed and pushed into the hole, hearing the gunshots; and why was Cynthia duct taped? Especially around her head? Did they keep her longer? Did they use the tape to blindfold her? Suffocate her? Gag her to keep her screams and crying from drawing attention or aggravating the killers?

And knowing all that had happened, these idiots were able to go on tv and brag about being in a drunken stupor and complain about having to deal with Jonathan's Mother, Sister, and Aunt, on the rare time they were even permitted to visit.

I sure hope whoever judges this case learns the full truth and that the guilty are severely punished.

That's sick to even think about. I didn't notice the knife, the bindings, and the duct tape. I was under the impression that all three had died from gunshot wounds, but then again I may be wrong. Let's just hope their deaths were quick. But if those photos show signs of bindings, I shudder to even think what they went through. All over custody of a grandson?! :mad:

That's sick to even think about. I didn't notice the knife, the bindings, and the duct tape. I was under the impression that all three had died from gunshot wounds, but then again I may be wrong.

I'm almost positive that gunshot wounds to all 3 victims were confirmed publicly. I'm not sure why the large knife was buried with them. I'm assuming it was used to control/intimidate them into cooperating or something along those lines. The only reason I can think of burying it with the victims and their belongings was to get rid of evidence. I'm not sure if they disposed of the gun or not.

Has their been any recent updates on the status of Chad Noe? Has he been found and questioned? Has Beverly Noe been questioned?

Has their been any recent updates on the status of Chad Noe? Has he been found and questioned? Has Beverly Noe been questioned?

I was web surfing for any recent developments about this case and can't find anything in the last couple weeks. I have to imagine the police and investigators are building cases against Beverly and Chad before they can move forward. At least I hope that's what they're doing.

I was web surfing for any recent developments about this case and can't find anything in the last couple weeks. I have to imagine the police and investigators are building cases against Beverly and Chad before they can move forward. At least I hope that's what they're doing.


I hope so. I would hate to think that they are Kurt Sova-ing it and being super lethargic or indifferent about moving this case forward with the proper protocol.

I'm almost positive that gunshot wounds to all 3 victims were confirmed publicly. I'm not sure why the large knife was buried with them. I'm assuming it was used to control/intimidate them into cooperating or something along those lines. The only reason I can think of burying it with the victims and their belongings was to get rid of evidence. I'm not sure if they disposed of the gun or not.

It has been confirmed that gunshots wounds killed all three. However, I would not be surprised if they slit their throats first to make them bleed and suffer first before shooting them.

It has been confirmed that gunshots wounds killed all three. However, I would not be surprised if they slit their throats first to make them bleed and suffer first before shooting them.

Is this new info and where did you find it?

It has been confirmed that gunshots wounds killed all three.

Thanks for the info, Hambone.

I've been looking for a news story for verification, but I couldn't find one. I do remember Wendy's sister posting on WS and saying that the victims were restrained (she mentioned rope and tape) and that they were shot. So since she stated that herself, I'm taking it as fact.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but while searching for the other info, I found this article from May 4th quotes Jonathan, Wendy's son. He does not believe Beverly Noe is involved in the murders of his mother, sister, and Lisa. :(

http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Son_of_Creek_County_cold_case_victim_speaks_up_for/20130504_12_A1_CUTLIN701590?subj=1

This article from 5/13/13 says at the end that they were shot.
The three victims may have been shot, sources told The Oklahoman.

Investigators discovered a revolver in the septic tank hole underneath one of the bodies
http://newsok.com/husband-takes-long-road-back-to-god-after-his-oklahoma-city-wifes-disappearance-in-1992/article/3808861

This article from 5/13/13 says at the end that they were shot.

Thanks crochetbuff.

Poor Mr. Camp. I'm convinced that he and Wendy had finally found happiness with each other, that their life together was going in a good direction, and they would have had a great future. It sounds like this whole thing ruined his life and nearly killed him.

What evil those killers have perpetrated. They've ruined the lives of many innocent people and their loved ones. It's almost impossible to comprehend the enormous impact of their selfish actions, and even now, it seems they still don't care about any of their victims. No remorse from those horrible people. They are so disgusting.

Over at websleuths, a user blew the crime scene photo up very large and a couple of people noticed that the handle of a gun is visible under Wendy's knee.

So along with throwing that knife into the hole with the victims, it looks like they disposed of the gun that way too. They probably thought they were hiding the evidence, but they might have placed almost all the evidence in the same location as the bodies.

I hope the investigators are being thorough and we see good convictions in this case.

It's sad to read that article about Leon and how his life went downhill after their disappearance. I'm glad he was able to turn his life around. I hope this gives him some closure and eventually, some justice.

Wow, so they found the murder weapons huh? That's another giant piece of the puzzle. I had wonder how they died, I wonder if the gun can be traced back to anyone. Pretty stupid of the Noes to bury it in the same place, then again, I don't think anyone here ever accused them of being intelligent. It was sort of shocking to hear about this Grover fellow since the UM segment had nothing on him, but perhaps he's just a lackey.

So along with throwing that knife into the hole with the victims, it looks like they disposed of the gun that way too. They probably thought they were hiding the evidence, but they might have placed almost all the evidence in the same location as the bodies.

This doesn't surprise me in the least, considering the Noes don't seem like educated people. I just hope the gun can be traced back to someone and that it helps bring justice once and for all for Wendy, Lisa, and Cynthia.

Wow, so they found the murder weapons huh?

I don't think there's been an official announcement about that but people just happened to notice those things. After the police displayed that huge crime scene photo, people enlarged it and scrutinized it.

In the picture that was enlarged over at WS, what looks like the wooden handle of a revolver can be seen but there's no barrel or any other part of the gun showing, that I could see.

Pretty stupid of the Noes to bury it in the same place, then again, I don't think anyone here ever accused them of being intelligent.

With their level of intelligence, it's quite literally dumb luck that no one has been charged until now. They didn't play this very smart.

Thanks for the info, Hambone.

I've been looking for a news story for verification, but I couldn't find one. I do remember Wendy's sister posting on WS and saying that the victims were restrained (she mentioned rope and tape) and that they were shot. So since she stated that herself, I'm taking it as fact.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but while searching for the other info, I found this article from May 4th quotes Jonathan, Wendy's son. He does not believe Beverly Noe is involved in the murders of his mother, sister, and Lisa. :(

http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Son_of_Creek_County_cold_case_victim_speaks_up_for/20130504_12_A1_CUTLIN701590?subj=1

Sadly, I guess Jonathan must have been brainwashed from living with Beverly all those years, because I just can't see how anybody in their right mind could possibly think that Beverly is innocent.

Jonathan has nothing else to base his beliefs on. He was only four when they were murdered. This is what he was raised with. Perhaps as the investigation goes on and charges are brought, he'll realize the kind of woman she really is.

Has it been OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED that these bodies were Wendy and the relatives?

If those are the murder weapons (a revolver, knife, along with rope and tape), then they should still be able to find finger prints and make DNA matches, correct?

Has it been OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED that these bodies were Wendy and the relatives?

The first news articles were saying things like the bodies were "most likely" belonging to the missing family.

The later news articles I've been reading mention Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa by name and say things like "their skeletal remains have been located".

I thought the police press conference where they displayed the crime scene photo actually confirmed that the victims shown were Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa. I'd have to go back through the articles to see if that's accurate, tho.

So right now, without going back and reading all the news articles, I don't recall if the police actually officially confirmed it but I believe it's them. The ages of the victims are right. All of the clothing found, right down to jewelry, shoes, and bags, is what all three victims were wearing at the time of their disappearance and Wendy's sister and her widower (Lisa's brother and Cynthia's step father) have gone public stating that the bodies are their loved ones.

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EDIT - Here it is:http://www.news9.com/story/22136382/sources-bodies says authorities have confirmed remains thought to be the victims were found in Pawnee County.
According to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, the case is no longer cold and is being treated as a triple-homicide.

The first news articles were saying things like the bodies were "most likely" belonging to the missing family.

The later news articles I've been reading mention Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa by name and say things like "their skeletal remains have been located".

I thought the police press conference where they displayed the crime scene photo actually confirmed that the victims shown were Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa. I'd have to go back through the articles to see if that's accurate, tho.

So right now, without going back and reading all the news articles, I don't recall if the police actually officially confirmed it but I believe it's them. The ages of the victims are right. All of the clothing found, right down to jewelry, shoes, and bags, is what all three victims were wearing at the time of their disappearance and Wendy's sister and her widower (Lisa's brother and Cynthia's step father) have gone public stating that the bodies are their loved ones.

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EDIT - Here it is:http://www.news9.com/story/22136382/sources-bodies says authorities have confirmed remains thought to be the victims were found in Pawnee County.
According to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, the case is no longer cold and is being treated as a triple-homicide.

Thanks. Wasn't her ex-husband a suspect, too?

Thanks. Wasn't her ex-husband a suspect, too?

I think they did consider him to be a suspect. IIRC, there's some discussion on the subject either here or at websleuths.

If the police/OSBI really did consider him as a serious suspect (rather than just doing the usual thing of eliminating the people closest to the victims first), then it sure looks bad for them now, since it's been revealed that the officials knew all along that Wendy's former in laws were involved in a lot of serious crimes, including a violent murder, before the family ever went missing. Why in the world would they focus on Wendy's husband, who was a normal guy with a good job, when a whole family full of known criminals who had been causing a lot of problems for Wendy should have always been at the top of their list of suspects.

Thought we would have more answers by now. Thinking of Wendy's family.

I hope the Noe's go to jail for this. I guess Chad wasn't lying during that drunken stupor.

I hope the Noe's go to jail for this. I guess Chad wasn't lying during that drunken stupor.

Except for the part about them never being found. He's a moron.

Thought we would have more answers by now. Thinking of Wendy's family.

I visited the Websleuths thread yesterday and there were no updates on the investigation there either. I didn't find any new news articles when I was looking for updates a few days ago.

Hope this just means the authorities are getting ALL their ducks in a row so there's solid evidence for this to go to trial.

Hadn't logged on here in months before today. Imagine my surprise.

I am afraid that bringing charges is going to be harder than one might be inclined to assume. Sure, it's a stunning coincidence that the three women were found in a ditch on a property once owned by Ida Pruitt, and Grover Pruitt's story about being asked to dig the whole a week before the three disappeared, and then to fill it in a few days after, is certainly suggestive, but...

Let's say Chad was not directly involved in the murders; rather, that his role was to lure Wendy to Shamrock, and beyond that he was simply told, when asked about Wendy's disappearance, that she wouldn't be a problem for him anymore. If he didn't participate in the actual killings... or at least continues to claim he didn't... and the three women were actually shot by Ida and Beverly, and then dumped into the pre-made hole... and Ida is dead...

There's no witness. It will be Beverly's claim that she let the three off at the Wal-Mart versus the authorities' ability to prove that that didn't happen. Circumstances suggest it, but, for just one example, Beverly could claim she let them off at the Wal-Mart, and that Chad must have followed her, unbeknownst to her, and taken the women from the parking lot, then taken them to his grandmother's property and buried them. Chad can deny that, and how could you ever prove which one is telling the truth?

Unless they really did find a gun or some other piece of physical evidence that can be directly tied to Beverly Noe, I wouldn't be surprised if she was never charged.

Although, if I were a prosecutor, I might go ahead and charge her anyway; if I can put on a prima facie case, a jury might convict on less than "beyond a reasonable doubt" type evidence (though you run the risk of the judge vacating the verdict in that case).

Although, if I were a prosecutor, I might go ahead and charge her anyway; if I can put on a prima facie case, a jury might convict on less than "beyond a reasonable doubt" type evidence (though you run the risk of the judge vacating the verdict in that case).

There's plenty of circumstantial evidence against Beverly with the abscence of a gun. The brother could testify about the large hole being dug shortly before the women disappeared, and how Ida and Beverly requested it be dug. Ida owned the property where the women were found. Beverly was the last person confirmed with the three missing women before they died. There's no logical explanation that could let her drop the three off at the Wal-Mart, to where they wind up dead and buried on her mother's property.

It's believed that a knife and part of a revolver were buried with the bodies, so I think that would provide enough physical evidence to prosecute as long as they can match the DNA found on the weapons.

Certainly, if either the gun or the knife can be tied directly to Beverly Noe or Chad Noe, there will be an arrest. I'd be a little surprised if there were DNA from being handled left on either after 20 years of being buried, however, and tracing a 20 year old gun purchase I am sure presents quite a challenge.

Understand, I think a jury would vote to convict based on what they have. I just wonder if a judge would allow it to get past a preliminary hearing if all they have are bodies and nothing specific to tie either Beverly or Chad to the murders themselves.

People have certainly been convicted for less. It would be up to a jury to decide if the evidence is sufficient. Let's hope they go to trial

Well, it does seem that they'd have a pretty solid circumstantial case and sometimes when all the circumstances add up, the defendant is found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

But I mean, they've got Chad right there on TV saying he probably bragged about killing them while he was in one of his drunken stupors. :eek: Oh boy!

Then there's Beverly's brother Grover, or whatever his name is, being wired up by police and repeatedly sabotaging the recording device to keep people's incriminating words from being recorded, pulling the wires out of his clothes so they'd see that he was wearing a wire, and a bunch of other stupid stunts.

I don't see how any thinking person couldn't figure out that the Noes are responsible, but then we seem to have had a rash of stupid juries in a few big cases recently, so ya never know....

If those are the murder weapons (a revolver, knife, along with rope and tape), then they should still be able to find finger prints and make DNA matches, correct?

Like other people have said, the perp's DNA on the weapons (if there is any) might be too degraded, but some of that duct tape looked like it was still in pretty good condition. I wonder if they could get some finger prints off that. Seems like there have been a few cases where the bad guy's finger prints are still well preserved on the sticky side of the duct tape. That might be hard for the killers to explain away.

I think the problem won't be in knowing that the Noe family is responsible, but in knowing who exactly killed them. Clearly, there are 4 subjects. But who did what to whom? Who knew when? That's where the lawyers may have a field day, especially if the trials are separate.

There's plenty of circumstantial evidence against Beverly with the abscence of a gun. The brother could testify about the large hole being dug shortly before the women disappeared, and how Ida and Beverly requested it be dug. Ida owned the property where the women were found. Beverly was the last person confirmed with the three missing women before they died. There's no logical explanation that could let her drop the three off at the Wal-Mart, to where they wind up dead and buried on her mother's property.

Indeed. With regards to the circumstantial evidence against Beverly, one key factor brought into question was addressed long ago in the UM segment: The impossibility of Beverly being able to make it all the way to Chandler to drop off the three ladies in the time that she claimed. An investigator for Wendy's family brought this up but we never heard from any police about it.

I wish the media would point out that Beverly is the key suspect here. The only news source that mentions the improbability and the dozen holes in Beverly's story was the Unsolved Mysteries segment, and that was 20 years ago.

I haven't followed developments -- if any -- within the past few weeks. But once I read the detailed account of the butchering of the body wire attempts with Grover, I knew not to expect arrests any time soon. If at all.

That was an incomparable blunder. For one thing, if legal it should have been done before news leaked of the digging on the family property. Not afterward. Grover undoubtedly would have sabotaged it anyway but at least there was potential for Beverly to blurt something out. Even by Noe standards, she would have had to be incomparably stupid to speak candidly to Grover given the time frame the wires were worn.

There are full transcripts of those wire attempts, BTW. I'm not sure they were posted here.

Complicated situation. Obvious guilt but so many variables, one dead. Weeks ago I was going to post the same theme that mozartpc mentioned recently, that I think a conviction is likely...IF the case ever gets past the hurdles necessary for trial. You need a gutsy prosecutor and at least one flexible judge. I don't know the local politics well enough to assign odds.

I haven't followed developments -- if any -- within the past few weeks. But once I read the detailed account of the butchering of the body wire attempts with Grover, I knew not to expect arrests any time soon. If at all.

That was an incomparable blunder. For one thing, if legal it should have been done before news leaked of the digging on the family property. Not afterward. Grover undoubtedly would have sabotaged it anyway but at least there was potential for Beverly to blurt something out. Even by Noe standards, she would have had to be incomparably stupid to speak candidly to Grover given the time frame the wires were worn.

There are full transcripts of those wire attempts, BTW. I'm not sure they were posted here.

Complicated situation. Obvious guilt but so many variables, one dead. Weeks ago I was going to post the same theme that mozartpc mentioned recently, that I think a conviction is likely...IF the case ever gets past the hurdles necessary for trial. You need a gutsy prosecutor and at least one flexible judge. I don't know the local politics well enough to assign odds.

Nor I, although, this being Oklahoma (a conservative state that borders on Texas), methinks there might be a willingness among the local judiciary to "help" the prosecution win a case like this one.

Even by Noe standards

:lol:

Setting the bar low.

I think the problem won't be in knowing that the Noe family is responsible, but in knowing who exactly killed them. Clearly, there are 4 subjects. But who did what to whom? Who knew when? That's where the lawyers may have a field day, especially if the trials are separate.


That's a good point. I was a juror on a murder trial once and we knew it was either our guy or his brother that committed the murder. We ended up not finding him guilty because the brother could have done it, and the other jury found the brother not guilty because our guy could have done. So they both got off, even though one of them had to have done it. Pretty messed up

:mad: :mad: :mad: While I am glad that the family members can finally have some closure, I am so angry that those pieces of human waste did such a thing! I want them shrink wrapped to a table and I want the last thing they ever see to be someone plunging a knife into their chests! Dexter Morgan style!

In that news video, Beverly Noe is interviewed and you can tell that she's lying through her teeth. I hope her and Chad get life in prison.

Oh, those two are done. They will never see the light of day again. Chad could get the death penalty.

I hope the needle is headed for his arm and his c*** mother's arm, too :)

If someone offered me the job of taking out those two, I'd take it in a split second. Matter of fact, it would be an honor. Those are two people who do not deserve to live and it would be pure joy to watch them struggle to take their last breaths.

IIRC, in the transcripts of the sabotaged tape recordings made by Grover, Beverly (or was it Debbie?) asked him if he wanted to see her "tea room".

Huh? That came out of nowhere. I'm sure no older, straight male is interested in seeing the Tea Room and I doubt any of those Noe women were the type of homemakers that kept a beautifully decorated room like that in the house.

I think it was a code word. I wonder if she was basically telling him, All this talk about cops, investigations, and old murders has me stressed out, wanna go smoke some herb 'tea'. lol