One of the cases that stands out to me is the colonial parkway murders. I think it was 4 different couples with one of the couples never found. Surprised it was never on um(unless I missed it).

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Parkway_Killer

April Tinsley from my hometown:

http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=178

I've been researching this case for over two years and have recently written to Dateline NBC about profiling it, but have yet to hear anything back. Read the circumstances and tell me it doesn't sound like the quintessential UM segment.

http://charleyproject.org/cases/h/herrera_johnnie.html

I also have a huge thread for this case on Websleuths.

April Tinsley from my hometown:

http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=178
That is such a heartbreaking case. I figured the letter writer probably was the killer even before he was conclusively linked with DNA, considering the letters (and disgusting ''souvenir'') he sent the 5-year-old girl. How horrible. I really hope it is given media coverage and the killer is found, because I think children are absolutely at risk with him still prowling around.

Whenever this topic comes up, it's hard for me to not cite a particular case from my home state of Massachusetts: Virginia Douglas. She went missing in 1988, and her husband claimed that she disappeared while they were on a weekend trip to Maine. But physical evidence found in the couple's Lexington home suggested that she never went to Maine that weekend.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/douglas_virginia.html

That is such a heartbreaking case. I figured the letter writer probably was the killer even before he was conclusively linked with DNA, considering the letters (and disgusting ''souvenir'') he sent the 5-year-old girl. How horrible. I really hope it is given media coverage and the killer is found, because I think children are absolutely at risk with him still prowling around.


agreed

I was 5 years old at the time of the April Tinsley murder and one of my aunts was actually babysitting me in that time period and at the time she lived fairly close to where she was abducted.

Anyway, what I don't understand is why the witnesses that saw her get pulled into the truck didn't immediately call 911 or follow the driver. If they could tell that is was an abnormal occurrence why didn't they act on it? That area of the city is the downtown Fort Wayne area so there was probably A LOT of witnesses at approximately 3:30 in the afternoon.

I think the West Memphis 3 would have been a great Final Appeal segment back in the day, plus the actual murders have never been solved so definitely a good candidate for UM (plus it had the satanic panic angle!)

Additional cases that totally deserved their own UM segments:

-The Springfield 3

-Scott and Amy Fandel case out of Alaska (so creepy and gritty, perfect for UM!)

-Another vote for the Colonial Parkway murders

-Anna Christian Waters

-Johnny Gosch and Eugene Wade Martin

-Jacob Wetterling

-Kevin Collins

-Etan Patz

I think the West Memphis 3 would have been a great Final Appeal segment back in the day, plus the actual murders have never been solved so definitely a good candidate for UM (plus it had the satanic panic angle!)

Additional cases that totally deserved their own UM segments:

-The Springfield 3

-Scott and Amy Fandel case out of Alaska (so creepy and gritty, perfect for UM!)

-Another vote for the Colonial Parkway murders

-Anna Christian Waters

-Johnny Gosch and Eugene Wade Martin

-Jacob Wetterling

-Kevin Collins

-Etan Patz



Do you think that "Jeff Gannon"/"James Guckert" could actually be Johnny Gosch or do you think that theory is farfetched?: http://truthalliance.net/Forums/tabid/57/aff/8/aft/332/afv/topic/Default.aspx

Angie Dodge. Dateline profiled the case last year but I think UM could have done it some justice.

http://www.henrysforkcountry.com/full.php?sid=171

The Frankford Slasher

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/unsolved/frankford_slasher/index.html

When UM aired, the Oakland County Child Killing (Michigan) case was cold. It happened in the late 70s and has never been solved. They've even exhumed dead suspects trying to link them to the murders. Would have been interesting to see UM investigate it.

I think the perp was David Norberg, but who knows. There was a rich auto executive's son with a record who killed himself at the time of the investigation and the killings stopped. Could have been him, I guess.

Whenever this topic comes up, it's hard for me to not cite a particular case from my home state of Massachusetts: Virginia Douglas. She went missing in 1988, and her husband claimed that she disappeared while they were on a weekend trip to Maine. But physical evidence found in the couple's Lexington home suggested that she never went to Maine that weekend.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/douglas_virginia.html

You and me both Kane. I'm trying to jog my memory but didn't you personally write into UM at some point and suggest this as a potential case but they decided not to go forward with it?

It really is your prototypical Unsolved Mysteries case. It has all of the intrigue that so many hallmark UM cases have. I've read the summation on The Charley Project so many times now and it really makes it look like Virginia's husband is guilty as heck. However being that he himself has long since passed, I doubt there will be any resolution to this case unless somehow they are able to locate some trace of what may have happened to Virginia Douglas.

As far as my submission goes, there may be few cases as mysterious as that of The Lyon Sisters, Sheila and Katherine from Maryland. On the day of their disappearance (3-25-75), the two girls went to a local mall for lunch. They along with several other children encountered a man with a briefcase. Inside the briefcase was a small tape recorder with a microphone attached and apparently he made recordings of several of the children including Sheila and Katherine.

A short while after being seen with this man, both girls vanished and police have never been able to locate the man with the briefcase and tape recorder. Nobody is sure whether or not he has anything to do with the disappearance of the Lyon sisters, however he is considered to be the only possible lead that the authorities have in this case.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lyon_sheila.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lyon_katherine.html

PS: As an aside one case they should profiled as a full on feature would be that of Jo Ellen Weigle. It was profiled briefly as an FBI ALERT in 1990 but the case is intriguing so I would've been interested to see it profiled in full.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=276358

Alright I'm going to submit one other case for the reason alone that this is a Sitcoms Online forum and I'm not sure how many of you are aware of this unsolved homicide:

In 1975, after successfully spinning off a sitcom for Valerie Harper ("Rhoda"), "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" spun off a sitcom for Cloris Leachman entitled "Phyllis". The series cast an actress named Barbara Colby to portray Phyllis' boss Julie Erskine.

However, only three episodes into production, Colby was gunned down in Venice after returning to her car from an acting class. Accompanying Colby to her car was actor James Kiernan who survived the assault just long enough to give a description of the assailants to police. Kiernan also noted that he did not recognize the shooters and police have determined that since there was no attempt to rob either victim that the shooting was a likely random act of violence.

Liz Torres was drafted in to take over the role of Julie Erskine and according to some reports Cloris Leachman taped a eulogy for Barbara Colby to air after the final episode of "Phyllis" which featured Colby, although whether or not this eulogy ever aired is a matter of some conjecture.

Sadly nearly forty years later, Colby and Kiernan's killers remain at large.

You and me both Kane. I'm trying to jog my memory but didn't you personally write into UM at some point and suggest this as a potential case but they decided not to go forward with it?

Yes. I wrote to UM to suggest that case as a potential segment, but nothing ever came of it.

It really is your prototypical Unsolved Mysteries case. It has all of the intrigue that so many hallmark UM cases have.

No argument here. That is part of the reason why I suggested that case to UM.

Indeed, Virigina's husband was suspected of being involved in her disappearance. Even some family members were suspicious of him. There were some things about the case that didn't make sense, including the fact that the couple decided to leave town for the weekend without giving advance notice to anyone in their family - let alone a visiting relative. Also, the shades were open all weekend and the refrigerator was fully stocked. Virginia's family doesn't believe she would have left the house in such a condition if she was planning to travel.

The more the detectives investigated the case, the more convinced they became that Virginia's disappearance didn't happen in Maine as her husband claimed. Instead, they believe she was murdered at home and buried somewhere.

The Dyatlov Pass Incident.

In 1959 nine ski hikers were found dead in the Ural Mountains under mysterious circumstances.


From the wikipedia article: "Investigators at the time determined that the hikers tore open their tent from within, departing barefoot into heavy snow and a temperature of −30 °C (−22 °F). Although the corpses showed no signs of struggle, two victims had fractured skulls, two had broken ribs, and one was missing her tongue and there was radiation present as the bodies were aged very quickly ... Three of them had fatal injuries: the body of Thibeaux-Brignolles had major skull damage, and both Dubunina and Zolotarev had major chest fractures. ... Notably, the bodies had no external wounds, as if they were crippled by a high level of pressure."


Just found out about this mystery yesterday, and my first thought was, "Why didn't Unsolved Mysteries do a segment on it?"

I just looked the Dyatlov Pass Incident up, VERY interesting.

I just looked the Dyatlov Pass Incident up, VERY interesting.
Agreed. I would love to know others' theories on this fascinating case. If they did encounter military testing, as theorized, what's up with one victim missing her tongue?! And some of the skiers' clothing being found on others instead? Wow! This case has boggled my mind since I first read about it some time ago.

Allenstown NH Janes Does case-You may have seen me post info about this case here. Seeing that UM profiled Danny Paquette who was killed a week after the first two sets of remains would found and Allenstown nh is a town over form Hookset, New Hampshire. you think they could do a profiled about that case too.

Agreed. I would love to know others' theories on this fascinating case. If they did encounter military testing, as theorized, what's up with one victim missing her tongue?! And some of the skiers' clothing being found on others instead? Wow! This case has boggled my mind since I first read about it some time ago.

The missing tongue thing freaked me out. So freakin' weird!

This is one of those rare cases where multiple people go missing at the same.
Unfortunately, I haven't found too much info about these people online.

(The links to the other two missing persons are in the case description.)

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/johnson_leah.html

Randy Leach http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/leach_randy.html went to a party at 17 years old in 1988 no one saw him leave, neither he or his car have been seen since, rumours about a cult and feet found on a beach what more could you want?

I reckon they could've also done some UM cases from all over the world, pretty much all of them were just US and Canada cases... The only Australian case that i know of on the show was the Fred Valentich UFO one. As for other countries, i can't remember for now.

Randy Leach http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/leach_randy.html went to a party at 17 years old in 1988 no one saw him leave, neither he or his car have been seen since, rumours about a cult and feet found on a beach what more could you want?
Wow, this story freaked me out. Particularly the part about the foot on the beach, the man being held captive in the cave, and a guy who knew Randy slowly driving by his home on the morning after his disappearance. That last image in particular gives me the chills.

The missing tongue thing freaked me out. So freakin' weird!
I know! There is NO logical explanation for it. If they ripped out their tent from the inside and ran out because of an avalanche- as one theory postulates- why would her tongue be missing? I just find it crazy that half died of hypothermia and the other half of external injuries (while wearing the first half's clothes). And the radiation only deepens the mystery, as that wouldn't be caused by an avalanche. The description of "orange spheres" in the area could lead one to think that military testing is involved...but even if one "exploded" as one article theorized, why did half of them die in different ways? Why the missing tongue? Why the "brownish tan" on their faces in subzero temperatures? Apparently the first half died of hypothermia trying to get back to the tent and the other took their clothes and continued only to get the external injuries. This makes little sense to me. Something startled them out of their tent enough to make some of them even go running barefoot in WELL below freezing temperatures.

I really feel for the survivor, too, who turned back because of illness. It's lucky that he survived, but imagine that burden he must feel when remembering his friends, whom he was the last person to see before the incident.

There's a facebook group for Randy Leach but be warned there are some strange theories on there http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/groups/102481423232241/. If they could do a show with Australian mystery the top contender must be the Somerton Man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerton_Man it's the story of a man's body found on a beach who is thought to have died by poisoning he had no id with him and had ripped some name tags out in his pocket they found a piece of paper with the words Taman Shud which translates to The End a few weeks later they find the book the paper came from and inside is a code that has never been cracked and a womans phone number when they interview the woman she tells them she gave the book to an officer during WW2 but the problem is he was still alive and still had the book, there are several spy ring theories but nothing is confirmed. There's also the Wanda Beach Murders where two teenage girls were found dead buried in the sand after they had left the group of children they were with one of the suspects was Christopher Wilder who was later on UM as the rapist and murderer who posed as a photographer and died while being arrested.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Beach_Murders

Alright I'm going to submit one other case for the reason alone that this is a Sitcoms Online forum and I'm not sure how many of you are aware of this unsolved homicide:

In 1975, after successfully spinning off a sitcom for Valerie Harper ("Rhoda"), "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" spun off a sitcom for Cloris Leachman entitled "Phyllis". The series cast an actress named Barbara Colby to portray Phyllis' boss Julie Erskine.

However, only three episodes into production, Colby was gunned down in Venice after returning to her car from an acting class. Accompanying Colby to her car was actor James Kiernan who survived the assault just long enough to give a description of the assailants to police. Kiernan also noted that he did not recognize the shooters and police have determined that since there was no attempt to rob either victim that the shooting was a likely random act of violence.

Liz Torres was drafted in to take over the role of Julie Erskine and according to some reports Cloris Leachman taped a eulogy for Barbara Colby to air after the final episode of "Phyllis" which featured Colby, although whether or not this eulogy ever aired is a matter of some conjecture.

Sadly nearly forty years later, Colby and Kiernan's killers remain at large.


Did that happen at night or in broad daylight?

Colleen Orsborn.

I have stated before that the Girly Chew Hossencofft case would've fit in with the show. She was killed in 1999 so 2001 or 2002 would've been the time to air it had they ever been approached or even covered her story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoLNi6cfVsM

Graphic pics of the Dyatlov pass victims

I know! There is NO logical explanation for it. If they ripped out their tent from the inside and ran out because of an avalanche- as one theory postulates- why would her tongue be missing? I just find it crazy that half died of hypothermia and the other half of external injuries (while wearing the first half's clothes). And the radiation only deepens the mystery, as that wouldn't be caused by an avalanche. The description of "orange spheres" in the area could lead one to think that military testing is involved...but even if one "exploded" as one article theorized, why did half of them die in different ways? Why the missing tongue? Why the "brownish tan" on their faces in subzero temperatures? Apparently the first half died of hypothermia trying to get back to the tent and the other took their clothes and continued only to get the external injuries. This makes little sense to me. Something startled them out of their tent enough to make some of them even go running barefoot in WELL below freezing temperatures.

I really feel for the survivor, too, who turned back because of illness. It's lucky that he survived, but imagine that burden he must feel when remembering his friends, whom he was the last person to see before the incident.

See, I wonder how accurate they are when they say the tent was cut from the inside. How can we be certain? I think it's more likely that the first set of people died first and the second set took their clothes for warmth. An avalanche would explain the internal injuries on the other.

I always thought the case of Erik Stirling Cross should have been featured on Unsolved Mysteries. Don't know why it wasn't. There was more information about the case on justiceforerik.blogspot.com but now it's saying you need to login to a gmail account to see the page.

So, here is some other links to the info:

http://www.delayedjustice.com/?p=3992

and

youtu.be/jrBNbfE_cno (copy and paste just as it is here)

The Dyatlov Pass.

Also the Disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi and the Roberto Calvi murder case would have been great but I get why they didn't air them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Emanuela_Orlandi

I've been researching this case for over two years and have recently written to Dateline NBC about profiling it, but have yet to hear anything back. Read the circumstances and tell me it doesn't sound like the quintessential UM segment.

http://charleyproject.org/cases/h/herrera_johnnie.html

I also have a huge thread for this case on Websleuths.

I know you're fascinated with this case, but it seems kind of non-descript to me.

For informational purposes, I should note the following cases have had hour long episodes devoted to them

Springfield 3 (Disappeared)
Girly Chew (American Justice)
Gosch/Martin (Maximum Drama -- Vanished also did a somewhat shorter profile)

For some reason, the 3rd Des Moines paperboy doesn't get talked about that much. His name is Marc Allen
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/allen_marc.html

Colleen Orsborn.

Disappeared did an episode on her. Interestingly, the main suspect in her death is Christopher Wilder, who is also a main suspect in Tammy Lynn Leppert's case, among many others.

Did they ever solve the Springfield 3? I remember they thought they may have found where they were buried under a parking garage or something like that. I can't remember the exact details.

Did they ever solve the Springfield 3? I remember they thought they may have found where they were buried under a parking garage or something like that. I can't remember the exact details.
Still unsolved. The parking garage is a theory a lot of people subscribe to since it was under construction at the time, but it's never been dug up and it's still unknown what the 3 anomalies beneath the concrete are. Because they're all around the same size, many people believe these have to be the bodies of the missing women.

Very odd case indeed. Young woman disappears on vacation and after her parents put up a reward, a witness comes forward.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/monaco_barbara.html

For all those that mentioned the Dyatlov Pass incident, the Discovery Channel recently aired a couple of hour-long documentaries on this case. One of which I recorded which was an episode of the Unexplained Files, a show which we've talked a bit about on here. Unfortunately I missed the other, though it re-airs tomorrow night at 9 p.m. EST, check local listings with 'Russian Yeti' as the tag.

The Unexplained Files episode spent the majority of time exploring the Yeti angle, and they recently obtained photographs from one of the cameras the group of 9 had on them. One of them shows a Yeti-like creature lurking in the background. However, another shows an unexplained fast-moving light source -- a UFO. Several people in the area also reported Yeti sightings as recently as 2012, including a group of 3 boys, one of which took a video with his cell phone of giant tracks and a Yeti-like creature again lurking in the background. (I must admit I felt bad for the one who shouted "I'm the last one - I'm going to be eaten", while running away). Some of the pictures were unsettling.

They also did explore the angle of the Mansi people being involved, although most seem to think they are not for various reasons.

And while we're on the subject of 'cases that should have been profiled on UM', I would have like to seen a plea to find the mugger who shot country/pop singer Paul Davis in Nashville in 1986. Paul survived that ordeal, though he died a number of years back. Paul was with his 13 year old foster brother and his 14 year old friend at the time, I'm sure that must have traumatized everyone. As fascinating as Nashville sounds, it sure sounds like a dangerous place.

This week I read about one of the most appalling crimes I have ever heard of. Like many on this forum, I read a lot of true crime and about missing persons and such. Regardless, I had to take a few moments to digest what I had just read after reading about this one. A young girl decides to wait for the school bus alone for the first time, because she was growing up. Less than two weeks later, her head was found in a paint can. Someone had used a knife to remove all of the flesh, eyes, hair. The killer even polished part of the skull. I felt sick to my stomach after reading about the case and have a queasy feeling even typing it. This happened in 1978 and the rest of her body has never been found.

Although one article says she was 15, Carol Lynn Sullivan was only 12 when this occurred.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2002-06-16/news/0206140483_1_skull-path-ants
http://www.myhometownnews.net/index.php?id=97177
http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130525/news/305259997

Very odd case indeed. Young woman disappears on vacation and after her parents put up a reward, a witness comes forward.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/monaco_barbara.html

Wow.
Reading that case kind of makes me wonder where Oba Chandler was in 1978.

Wow.
Reading that case kind of makes me wonder where Oba Chandler was in 1978.

The only timeline I have on him (which I actually got from one of your posts) puts him in North Carolina in 1967, being honorably discharged from the military.

He then spends a few years committing crimes and having his mug shot taken.

The timeline picks up again in 1979 through 1991, traveling around FL, OH, GA, KY, and possibly Toronto Canada. I don't have any actual dates for those travels for those years, tho.

He's got a mug shot from 1979, but I don't know what state he was arrested in or what the crime was. I wonder about the physical descriptions of the men seen the victim. In 79, Chandler had chin length blonde thinning hair. He had a similar style two years later, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what he looked like in 1978.

This week I read about one of the most appalling crimes I have ever heard of. Like many on this forum, I read a lot of true crime and about missing persons and such. Regardless, I had to take a few moments to digest what I had just read after reading about this one. A young girl decides to wait for the school bus alone for the first time, because she was growing up. Less than two weeks later, her head was found in a paint can. Someone had used a knife to remove all of the flesh, eyes, hair. The killer even polished part of the skull. I felt sick to my stomach after reading about the case and have a queasy feeling even typing it. This happened in 1978 and the rest of her body has never been found.

Although one article says she was 15, Carol Lynn Sullivan was only 12 when this occurred.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2002-06-16/news/0206140483_1_skull-path-ants
http://www.myhometownnews.net/index.php?id=97177
http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130525/news/305259997

Agreed, that is one for the history books. Disturbing indeed.

This week I read about one of the most appalling crimes I have ever heard of. Like many on this forum, I read a lot of true crime and about missing persons and such. Regardless, I had to take a few moments to digest what I had just read after reading about this one. A young girl decides to wait for the school bus alone for the first time, because she was growing up. Less than two weeks later, her head was found in a paint can. Someone had used a knife to remove all of the flesh, eyes, hair. The killer even polished part of the skull. I felt sick to my stomach after reading about the case and have a queasy feeling even typing it. This happened in 1978 and the rest of her body has never been found.

Although one article says she was 15, Carol Lynn Sullivan was only 12 when this occurred.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2002-06-16/news/0206140483_1_skull-path-ants
http://www.myhometownnews.net/index.php?id=97177
http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130525/news/305259997


Ottis Toole?

Ottis Toole?

Ottis Toole is a creep. When I heard what he said he did to Adam Walsh "He was crying so I punched him real hard in the stomach." Guilty or not, I wanted to punch all of Toole's teeth out. Come to think of it, he is a tool. Appropriate name.

Ottis Toole is a creep. When I heard what he said he did to Adam Walsh "He was crying so I punched him real hard in the stomach." Guilty or not, I wanted to punch all of Toole's teeth out. Come to think of it, he is a tool. Appropriate name.

He also decapitated Adam and only Adam's head was found. That's what made me think maybe this was also his handiwork.

Disappeared did an episode on her. Interestingly, the main suspect in her death is Christopher Wilder, who is also a main suspect in Tammy Lynn Leppert's case, among many others.

Too bad we will never know how many women he killed. I've seen several shows about him and a movie. He was a sadistic killer.

Ottis Toole is a creep. When I heard what he said he did to Adam Walsh "He was crying so I punched him real hard in the stomach." Guilty or not, I wanted to punch all of Toole's teeth out. Come to think of it, he is a tool. Appropriate name.

Better make that "was"; Toole died in 1996.

Has anyone watched ID's show "Last Seen Alive" ? It features two stories of missing people within the episode and follows people looking for the lost one's in real time (or recorded real time)

Has anyone watched ID's show "Last Seen Alive" ? It features two stories of missing people within the episode and follows people looking for the lost one's in real time (or recorded real time)

Yes, there is some discussion about it in the Other True Crime Shows board. It is not in real time though.

He also decapitated Adam and only Adam's head was found. That's what made me think maybe this was also his handiwork.

yeah, i was thinking the same thing.

He also decapitated Adam and only Adam's head was found. That's what made me think maybe this was also his handiwork.
I wonder if police ever looked into him.


Here are some others from outside of North America I think would have been perfect for UM:

Wanda Beach Murders:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Beach_Murders
A brutal double murder in Australia. Christopher Wilder is considered a possible suspect.


Beaumont Children Abduction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont_children
Another case from the 60s in which three children vanish.


The kidnapping of Kirsa Jensen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsa_Jensen
A young girl in New Zealand goes horseback riding and is last seen with a bloody face and mysterious man.


Back in America:

The whole story of Christopher Wilder. This guy was brutal and there are still many women missing he could be connected to. I think he is probably responsible for the murder of Colleen Orsburn (he was seen near her street and in town that day) and others have theorized that he could have abducted Tammy Lynn Leppert. He abducted a girl from my hometown thirty years ago and mysteriously let her live. Even bought her a plane ticket home before getting killed by accident in a shootout with police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_wilder

Too bad we will never know how many women he killed. I've seen several shows about him and a movie. He was a sadistic killer.

The early '90s TV series FBI: The Untold Stories did an episode about Christopher Wilder. In the episode "Millionaire Murder", Wilder was portrayed by Rex Linn (of CSI: Miami).

how about the ghost of Owen Hart? Said to haunt the building where he sadly fell to his death. Reports of his image as well as the cable that was used. Also reports of flickering lights and other power problems. His voice is also said to have been heard. I recorded "The Haunting Of Rowdy Roddy Piper" not too long ago and Roddy says he has had experiences with Owen's ghost. I also saw a show about a decade ago where a psychic contacted Owen for his brother Bret. Sadly, Bret is still tore about his death, which is understandable. :(

I know AMW profiled this one, but this crime would have been good for UM to profile:

A woman comes home, unlocks the door, and discovers that in the middle of the night both her daughter and housemate have been murdered. She would have been killed as well, had she not fallen asleep on her boyfriend's couch.
http://www.marcoislandflorida.com/article/20110612/COLUMNISTS02/108060009/21-year-old-Cape-Coral-murders-still-stump-detectives


Tragically, the adult victim had only moved in the day before.

According to the Websleuths thread, John Addis (profiled on UM) is a possible suspect. He and the mother attended the same gym. And blonde hair was found at the scene...

There were a number of suspects including Hickock and Smith, but nothing ever panned out. If you look hard enough on the second link, you will find actual crime scene photos and newspaper clippings.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20051218/NEWS/512180667

http://www.heraldtribune.com/section/topic03801003?tc=ar

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-03-18/news/mc-stroudsburg-unsolved-quadruple-mur20110318_1_stroudsburg-area-bartender-cold-case


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I vote for Elsie Paroubek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsie_Paroubek), Barbara Newhall Follett (http://www.dreamshore.net/bluejay/barbara.html) and Catherine Winters (http://whereiscatherinewinters.com/).

I too have to put my vote in for the Fred Valentich case. Two of the more popular theories in this case just happen to be among my favorite missing person cliches. The oldie but goodie, “oh well....he or she must have just walked away from their lives". The second theory being the old plane that just inexplicably fell out of the sky. While I realize that planes do crash, in those instances wreckage/debris is usually found and a reasonable explanation can most often be determined.
Although the missing Malaysian flight almost makes me want to eat my words. That one was just plain weird. I wonder how common it is for aircrafts to disappear without a trace? Anyone have any info on that?

I too have to put my vote in for the Fred Valentich case. Two of the more popular theories in this case just happen to be among my favorite missing person cliches. The oldie but goodie, “oh well....he or she must have just walked away from their lives". The second theory being the old plane that just inexplicably fell out of the sky. While I realize that planes do crash, in those instances wreckage/debris is usually found and a reasonable explanation can most often be determined.
Although the missing Malaysian flight almost makes me want to eat my words. That one was just plain weird. I wonder how common it is for aircrafts to disappear without a trace? Anyone have any info on that?

Frederick Valentich was profiled on UM.

Debbie Loveless and John Miller from Texas. Could have been a perfect Final Appeal segment. Both were convicted of torturing their 4 year old daughter to death, but both swore that the family dogs attacked her and killed her. They eventually were exonerated completely.

I vote for Elsie Paroubek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsie_Paroubek), Barbara Newhall Follett (http://www.dreamshore.net/bluejay/barbara.html) and Catherine Winters (http://whereiscatherinewinters.com/).
Great nominations! These are all quite creepy and something about them being so long unsolved makes them all the more disturbing, perfect for UM. I had heard of Barbara Newhall Follett before, but never the other two cases. I think I'm going to be spending a lot of time reading that archive on the latter...

Some really interesting cases on here, thanks for the links.

Similar to the Mary Celeste, the Carroll A. Deering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_A._Deering/)was located run aground with her captain and crew missing. Some sightings and the state of the vessel pointed to a deliberate evacuation, but what happened is still a mystery.

Alistair Wilson (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10344292/New-appeal-over-unsolved-murder-of-Nairn-banker.html), a banker from Scotland, was shot on his doorstep by a man with an mysterious envelope.

Christa Helm (http://www.john-odowd.com/portfolio/the-unsolved-murder-of-19970s-hollywood-starlet-christa-helm/), an actress that was involved in the 70's Los Angeles party scene with well known celebrities, was found stabbed and bludgeoned by her car in 1977. 48 Hours featured her case several years ago, "The Last Take".

Unidentified victim (http://doenetwork.org/cases/67uffl.html) found in 1973 with a victim, Laura Harberts, of Outlaws mc member Joe Spaziano. Spaziano was also convicted of the 1974 rape and mutilation of a young woman whom he lured into his vehicle, and some of the Outlaws members in Orlando were allegedly trafficking and murdering women: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1995-12-17/news/9512160801_1_spaziano-fauss-outlaws The victim obviously isn't Amy Billig and Spaziano doesn't seem to ever have been connected to her disappearance, but Spaziano's activities might have gone along with the rumors the Billigs heard about young women being held by bikers in Orlando.

From the excellent Iowa Cold Cases site: Rose Burkett/Roger Atkinson (http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/rose-burkert-and-roger-atkison/)homicide.

Raoul Wallenberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg

The 4 mysterious submarine disappearances of 1968: one American, one Soviet, one Israeli and one French

Another case I feel would have been great UM material was the 1979 unsolved double homicide of Ricky Beard (19) and Mary Leonard (17) out of Akron, OH. Though this began as a missing persons case, it became a homicide when their remains were found in 1985. An article giving more details on the case can be found here...... http://www.ohio.com/news/double-murder-case-is-now-30-years-cold-1.115166

Thank you wiseguy for the heads-up on the Valentich case! I'll have to see if I can find that segment somewhere and give it a look.

How about a US Congressman who vanished in the middle of his term and NO ONE noticed?

John V Creely

http://history.house.gov/HistoricalHighlight/Detail/36586?ret=True

How about a US Congressman who vanished in the middle of his term and NO ONE noticed?

John V Creely

http://history.house.gov/HistoricalHighlight/Detail/36586?ret=True

that's a pretty interesting one, but also incredibly old. I don't know UM would have profiled a case so old there's literally no way to determine what happened.

A more recent case of disappearing congressmen would be that of Nick Begich and Hale Boggs in 1972. Boggs was the House Majority Leader and Begich was one of the few democrats ever elected to congress from Alaska. They disappeared along with 2 others in a plane flight in Alaska and have never been found despite an extensive search. There are numerous conspiracy theories abound.

Don Young acquired Begich's house seat shortly after his disapperance and still holds it to this day, 42 years later. He's a rather interesting character. Nick's son Mark won a senate seat in 2008 by defeating the then longest-serving Republican senator in U.S. history Ted Stevens. Mark is up for re-election this year in a close contest.

Christa Helm (http://www.john-odowd.com/portfolio/the-unsolved-murder-of-19970s-hollywood-starlet-christa-helm/), an actress that was involved in the 70's Los Angeles party scene with well known celebrities, was found stabbed and bludgeoned by her car in 1977. 48 Hours featured her case several years ago, "The Last Take".

Interestingly, some suspect she was murdered by Lionel Ray Williams. Williams was a pizza deliveryman who had also killed Sal Mineo, a popular actor, singer and model, and who was one of the first outed gay celebrities in Hollywood. They were both killed in the same way and in the same neighborhood. Williams had claimed he had no idea who Mineo was. Williams has a long history of robberies and other crimes.

that's a pretty interesting one, but also incredibly old. I don't know UM would have profiled a case so old there's literally no way to determine what happened.



Respectfully snipped.

Hey, it is more likely that someone out there knows what happened to John Creely than the great mystery of the fertility statues, the magic rock or Resurrection Mary.
:crazy: :lol: :crazy: :lol: :crazy:

Wait. Maybe Creely IS Resurrection Mary! Maybe he left Washington to start over as a woman!

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Hey, it is more likely that someone out there knows what happened to John Creely than the great mystery of the fertility statues, the magic rock or Resurrection Mary.
:crazy: :lol: :crazy: :lol: :crazy:

Wait. Maybe Creely IS Resurrection Mary! Maybe he left Washington to start over as a woman!

yeah, but all of the players in the case would have been dead by then. They couldn't interview anyone.

Alistair Wilson (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10344292/New-appeal-over-unsolved-murder-of-Nairn-banker.html), a banker from Scotland, was shot on his doorstep by a man with an mysterious envelope.

with rare Czechoslovokian bullets

IMO the disappearance of Mike Williams would have made for a good UM segment. I can almost hear Robert Stack speculating about the ridiculous alligator theory.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/williams_jerry.html

The missing persons cases of Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos might have also fit the UM mold.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/williams_terrance.html

The Springfield three. I've searched and really don't believe they ever aired it on UM

The missing persons cases of Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos might have also fit the UM mold.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/williams_terrance.html

I agree. But the only reason UM never featured the case was because the show ceased production before Terrance went missing.

The Springfield three. I've searched and really don't believe they ever aired it on UM

You're correct. They never did a segment on the case.

You're correct. They never did a segment on the case.
Interestingly, some posters have sworn they've seen a special alert on the case and some sites have mentioned it being on UM. But I believe you're correct and it's just an error and people mixed up their shows on that one.

Interestingly, some posters have sworn they've seen a special alert on the case and some sites have mentioned it being on UM. But I believe you're correct and it's just an error and people mixed up their shows on that one.

To retract my previous post, the Springfield Three was, in fact, featured on UM. The case was seen as part of the "special alert" segment in a September 1992 broadcast of the show (although the exact air date is unknown). At the time, the three women had been missing for only three months.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/The_Springfield_Three

To retract my previous post, the Springfield Three was, in fact, featured on UM. The case was seen as part of the "special alert" segment in a September 1992 broadcast of the show (although the exact air date is unknown). At the time, the three women had been missing for only three months.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/The_Springfield_Three
Wow, this must be a really rare special alert. I would like to see it, but I'm sure it must be quite brief and contain little information at all.

Well, even if it was a brief special alert. I wish they would've done a full segment out of it, especially after a year or more with the case not being solved. The case itself is creepy and disturbing.

Well, even if it was a brief special alert. I wish they would've done a full segment out of it, especially after a year or more with the case not being solved. The case itself is creepy and disturbing.
Oh, I definitely agree. I've read about tons of missing persons cases and this remains one of the creepiest. There are so many theories about this one that seem possible. Unsolved would have made a great full segment for it, I'm sure.

It has not been a proven fact that the Springfield Three were on UM. Unless/until the actual segment surfaces, it is mere speculation. How many cases have been addressed on here by people swearing they saw it on UM, but it was another show? Dozens?

They were on Disappeared, as were Mike Williams, Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos.

Can anyone tell me if the DB Cooper case was ever profiled on UM? That case has always fascinated me tremendously, and even more so when I learned it was the only hijacking to go unsolved in aviation history. In fact, one of my favorite Cooper segments was on Brad Meltzer's show, Decoded. Meltzer and company make a pretty compelling argument for Cooper being an inside man at Northwest Orient.
The Jost case was one I recently learned of through a different thread on our Other Crimes board. I realize that the case appears to have an obvious solution, but it's all the twists and alleged related crimes involved that I believe make it perfect for UM. I'll just bet that Robert Stack could have done great things with the segment! http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jost_marie.html

Can anyone tell me if the DB Cooper case was ever profiled on UM? That case has always fascinated me tremendously, and even more so when I learned it was the only hijacking to go unsolved in aviation history.

Yes. In fact, UM highlighted the case in 1988.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/D.B._Cooper

So what do you think Kane? Are you in the camp that tends to see Cooper as somewhat of a folk hero, or are you among those that see him as a disgusting criminal? And what about that death defying jump? This also seems to be deeply divisive amongst those who follow the case. Thanks for the info!

The Jost case was one I recently learned of through a different thread on our Other Crimes board. I realize that the case appears to have an obvious solution, but it's all the twists and alleged related crimes involved that I believe make it perfect for UM. I'll just bet that Robert Stack could have done great things with the segment! http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jost_marie.html

I feel so bad for Marie Jost that she gave birth to two disgusting pieces of trash like Charles and Delores. I feel even worse that, for the most part, Charles, Delores and Ronald won't have to face punishment for their horrible crimes. I feel bad for Theodore also. A sad case all the way around.

It takes a particularly heinous person to murder an elderly, infirm woman. I can't believe they would think that we were all supposed to believe that Marie (who would be over 100 years old now) was out travelling the country when she would undoubtedly be bedridden if she were still alive.

Sidebar: Believe it or not, my current avatar actually does relate to true crime. I recorded this 20/20 episode yesterday about a man who was infatuated with one of his coworkers, who was a married woman. He claimed he heard voices of music stars in his head. A voice sounding like Barry White told him to commit suicide, but a voice sounding like Olivia Newton-John told him to kill the woman's husband, which he eventually did. Then they showed a clip of "Physical", though it must have been an alternate version of the music video I was unfamliar with. It probably goes without saying, but the guy's claims were outrageous.

For awhile, I've felt they should do a segment on all the weird stuff that has happened to ONJ

With regards to the Jost case, you are absolutely not alone wiseguy. I am the sole caregiver to both of my disabled parents and every time I hear of a situation where someone physically compromised has been mistreated, it enrages me. IMO, someone would have to be a real POS to commit such an act.
Wow, that case you just described sounds so familiar! Are you by chance referring to Hemy Neuman? Or am I confusing cases again?

Wow, that case you just described sounds so familiar! Are you by chance referring to Hemy Neuman? Or am I confusing cases again?

It was indeed Hemy Neuman.

And what about that death defying jump? This also seems to be deeply divisive amongst those who follow the case.

:lol:

Death defying jump in a parachute. Oh heavens.

D.B. Cooper was Richard Floyd McCoy. Very simple case. He came prepared for everything except the weight and unsteadiness of the money during the jump. Once McCoy lost the cash during the jump he ended up with only a few thousand that he had stuffed in his pocket before leaving the airplane. He used that money to take his family on a trip to his home state of North Carolina. Otherwise there's no evidence he could have afforded that trip. Then he plotted to make an almost identical skyjacking. He pulled that off and would have gotten away with it a second time other than a friend who put things together and tipped authorities to McCoy's identity.

We had a marathon thread here many years ago with more details about McCoy's connection that you'll find anywhere else on the internet. Unfortunately that thread got out of hand and was locked after 50 or so pages. I'm not sure if it's still in the depths. Included are the specifics of the strange drive McCoy made on the early morning hours of the Cooper event, driving from Provo to Las Vegas, and then apparently disappearing for a day and a half. The theory is he drove to Las Vegas, flew to the Pacific Northwest, and then pulled off the Cooper event. The clueless types who refuse to accept the simple matter that McCoy was Cooper are so desperate to exclude connect the dots details that they commandeer the D.B. Cooper Wikipedia page and delete the mention of McCoy's strange drive every time it is posted.

We had one military friend of McCoy post here, and contact me by PM several times, once he saw the threads here with the details of McCoy as Cooper. He said he had waited 40 years for that because he was sure McCoy was Cooper based on conversations they had in the '60s.

I realize I'll make no headway on this matter. Everyone prefers to believe in bizarre instead of straight forward. I advise to read the book, "D.B. Cooper, the Real McCoy."

:lol:

Death defying jump in a parachute. Oh heavens.

I realize I'll make no headway on this matter. Everyone prefers to believe in bizarre instead of straight forward. I advise to read the book, "D.B. Cooper, the Real McCoy."

Considering that I have to dope myself up to the gills to even ride on a plane, any skydiving venture seems death defying to me, lol. Though I'm the first to admit my tendency to look for zebras when I hear hoof beats, your assessment of the case makes sense to me. Thanks for the heads up on the book. I'll check it out.

With regards to the Jost case, you are absolutely not alone wiseguy. I am the sole caregiver to both of my disabled parents and every time I hear of a situation where someone physically compromised has been mistreated, it enrages me. IMO, someone would have to be a real POS to commit such an act.

I really can't believe they're going to get away with it, for the most part. Just by looking at their pictures, you can tell that none of them are the sharpest knife in the drawer. It seems the police can get one of them to talk/slip up. I think the main thing at this point is to track down the bodies.

If you think the Marie Jost case is outrageous, here's another insane story of a guy continually cashing his elderly father's Social Security checks until somebody finally realized no one had actually seen him alive in 18 years:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dunson_walter.html

Given Walter's age, it's possible there was no murder involved here and that his son just decided to dispose of his father's body and kept cashing the checks after he passed away of natural causes, but it's still an incredibly scummy thing to do. It's also an incredibly dumb thing to do because you can only keep doing it for so long before you eventually get caught. The Social Security Administration does tend to notice when people keep accepting their money when they've reached the age of 100.

So what do you think Kane? Are you in the camp that tends to see Cooper as somewhat of a folk hero, or are you among those that see him as a disgusting criminal? And what about that death defying jump? This also seems to be deeply divisive amongst those who follow the case. Thanks for the info!

I have no comment on the death defying jump, but I will say that I see DB Cooper as a criminal, plain and simple. Anyone who willfully puts other people's lives in danger doesn't deserve to be viewed as a folk hero.

I disagree that Dyatlov Pass should be profiled. There is almost no chance anyone alive today would know anything about it, and it has been so widely disseminated that another program about it would feel a little trite.

Meanwhile, the Colonial Parkway murders have opposite characteristics. It is relatively recent, and not nearly as well publicized as similar cases such as the Zodiac or BTK.

Also not so well known is the murders of hundreds of women in Ciudad Juarez. That would be a good segment to re-enact.

Though it's already been profiled on Disappeared, the Zebb Quinn case is just strange enough to fit in at UM. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/q/quinn_zebb.html

Though it would have been under the Farina era, I would have liked to see UM do a segment on the double murders of Michael Tardio and Christopher Monson. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-playmate-a-ponzi-scheme-jewels-and-murder/

Though it would have been under the Farina era, I would have liked to see UM do a segment on the double murders of Michael Tardio and Christopher Monson. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-playmate-a-ponzi-scheme-jewels-and-murder/

I just recorded a 48 hours episode on that yesterday. Haven't watched it yet, but it sounds pretty fascinating.

I just recorded a 48 hours episode on that yesterday. Haven't watched it yet, but it sounds pretty fascinating.

I found that episode to be very compelling personally. I was about to make a witty remark about the playmate and her bunny ears, but decided against it, lol. Didn't want to ruin the show for you.

A very unsettling and odd vanishing happened to Christopher Thompkins from Ellerslie, Georgia. He was last seen by work mates standing on the shoulder of the road facing the woods at 1.30pm on 25th January 2002. He literally vanished within seconds leaving the survey crew very perplexed. They walked back to where they had seen him only to find his boot hanging on the barbed wire fence along with blue fabric from his pants. On the ground beneath were coins that had fallen from his pocket. The woods on the other side of the fence were inhospitable and swampy.

The Freeway Phantom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeway_Phantom
One of the victims was able to make two phone calls and stated that she was with a white man who would be taking her home. Sadly, that didn't happen. I could definitely see this being in a UM scene.

Pretty sure the Beaumont Children, Tylenol Poisonings, and Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders have all been mentioned, but they're all perfect contenders.

And I think the Texarkana Moonlight Murders would have been a perfect segment. One of the surviving victims was chased and spoken to by the man, who told her to run, then followed her and roughed her up after nearly beating her boyfriend to death. This is the case that inspired "The Town that Dreaded Sundown."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texarkana_Moonlight_Murders

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Brook_murders

Were the Phoenix lights ever on UM? I moved to Phoenix this summer and this is a really compelling UFO incident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights

Were the Phoenix lights ever on UM? I moved to Phoenix this summer and this is a really compelling UFO incident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights
This was profiled on UM. :)

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Phoenix_Lights

I think it made it onto the DVDs, but I'd have to check.

I'm sure most of you are familiar with the Bermuda Triangle, but there is also The Michigan Triangle. It goes from Ludington, MI, down to Benton Harbor, then west across Lake Michigan over to Manitowoc, WI. Numerous disappearances of men, ships and planes, including one flight of 58 people in 1950 (next to nothing was ever recovered from it). Not to mention other strange phenomenon such as ghosts, UFO's, sea monsters, ghost ships and ghost planes, unexplained fireballs, earth rumblings and storms where it rains ice the size of bricks! Some have claimed the Michigan Triangle is a time portal that either speeds up or slows down time dramatically. Lots of reports of people feeling uneasy while traveling through it. There are actually more incidents in the Lake Michigan Triangle than the Bermuda Triangle, even though the Bermuda Triangle is 16 times as large. This would be right up UM's alley. Also rumored to be the cause of the strange disappearence of James Hysong in 1993

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hysong_jim.html

Here are a few links that talk about the Triangle

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/ships/id199.html

http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/lake-michigan-triangle

http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/2014/03/the-lake-michigan-triangle-enigma-2465734.html

A truly eerie case.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rahn_laureen.html

I really have to wonder what, other than the phone calls in October 1980, makes Laureen's mother Judith believe that her daughter is still alive. Is there more evidence that isn't being released to the public (always possible) or is this just a grieving mother who is afraid to confront the fact that her daughter is more than likely dead?

I think the Texarkana Moonlight Murders would have been a perfect segment. One of the surviving victims was chased and spoken to by the man, who told her to run, then followed her and roughed her up after nearly beating her boyfriend to death. This is the case that inspired "The Town that Dreaded Sundown."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texarkana_Moonlight_Murders

Was this the scary guy with the Potato Sack over his head? Which inspired Jason Voorhees "Pre Hockey" mask look in Friday the 13th Part 2.

A truly eerie case.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rahn_laureen.html

I really have to wonder what, other than the phone calls in October 1980, makes Laureen's mother Judith believe that her daughter is still alive. Is there more evidence that isn't being released to the public (always possible) or is this just a grieving mother who is afraid to confront the fact that her daughter is more than likely dead?

I've always thought the Laureen Rahn case would have been perfect for UM. I would have like to seen Rachael Garden and Denise Denault thrown in the same segment due to the possible connection. Sadly, I cannot find a single thing on Denise Denault, not even so much as a picture.

I'm confused about the calls. Judith says she was charged for the 3 long distance calls to California, but how could that be? Do they think Laureen returned home on a few occasions while Judith wasn't there and used the phone?

Was this the scary guy with the Potato Sack over his head? Which inspired Jason Voorhees "Pre Hockey" mask look in Friday the 13th Part 2.
Yep, I believe that's it. Here's a longer article.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/unsolved/texarkana/index_1.html

I've always thought the Laureen Rahn case would have been perfect for UM. I would have like to seen Rachael Garden and Denise Denault thrown in the same segment due to the possible connection. Sadly, I cannot find a single thing on Denise Denault, not even so much as a picture.

Wow, the Laureen Rahn case would have been PERFECT for UM!

-Genuinely bizarre disappearance
-Mysterious phone calls
-Possible connection to seedy underground industry (I can see the UM cameras panning over cheap L.A. motels late at night...)
-Additional cases that may also be connected
-80s timeframe

A very unsettling and odd vanishing happened to Christopher Thompkins from Ellerslie, Georgia. He was last seen by work mates standing on the shoulder of the road facing the woods at 1.30pm on 25th January 2002. He literally vanished within seconds leaving the survey crew very perplexed. They walked back to where they had seen him only to find his boot hanging on the barbed wire fence along with blue fabric from his pants. On the ground beneath were coins that had fallen from his pocket. The woods on the other side of the fence were inhospitable and swampy.


It's an odd case, but an article (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2008/01/25/231022_mother-of-long-missing-son-seeks.html?rh=1) states that Thompkins' employer claimed that he was acting strangely in the days before his disappearance. His mother disputes that, but it does seem as though he did cross over the fence.

Laureen Rahn's disappearance is pretty bizarre, the police didn't consider her guy friend a suspect but I don't know why they were so certain of him and his story. At far as the calls, in that era, it was possible to use a pay phone (a hotel payphone in this case) and have an operator charge the call to a home phone number, but who had access to the mom's # is up for grabs; unless it was both unlisted and unpublished, it wouldn't have been difficult to find out. Still, it would have made for a great UM segment.

It's an odd case, but an article (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2008/01/25/231022_mother-of-long-missing-son-seeks.html?rh=1) states that Thompkins' employer claimed that he was acting strangely in the days before his disappearance. His mother disputes that, but it does seem as though he did cross over the fence.

Laureen Rahn's disappearance is pretty bizarre, the police didn't consider her guy friend a suspect but I don't know why they were so certain of him and his story. At far as the calls, in that era, it was possible to use a pay phone (a hotel payphone in this case) and have an operator charge the call to a home phone number, but who had access to the mom's # is up for grabs; unless it was both unlisted and unpublished, it wouldn't have been difficult to find out. Still, it would have made for a great UM segment.

Wow, that's wild. So a person could just pick a phone number out of the phone book or something and have them charged for the call.

I never got a vibe about the guy friend being involved, it seems like Laureen's female friend would have been in the know if that happened. I would like more info on him, however.

Wow, that's wild. So a person could just pick a phone number out of the phone book or something and have them charged for the call.

I never got a vibe about the guy friend being involved, it seems like Laureen's female friend would have been in the know if that happened. I would like more info on him, however.

Depended on the policy of the company - some operators would put the call through, others would try to contact someone at the number to be billed to see if the call/charge was approved. Some carriers offered a service to their customers. I know some otr truck drivers did this back in the day. I'm curious why her mother believed that it was Laureen making those calls, if there was information being left out.

As far as what the girl friend could recall, it would depend on the amount of drinking she had doing that evening. *If* she had been drinking heavily before going to sleep in Laureen's room, she might not have heard noises that would have awaken someone more sober. There's no mention of the time period between her friend's claim that he ran out the back door and Laureen locked it behind him and when the mom and boyfriend actually returned at midnight, but it's off that the same door was open when they got home. Another question is how many people knew that she was going to have friends over drinking that night (other people whom she hadn't been anticipating might have stopped by).

Elisa lam case is freeky. The bizzar way she was acting in the lift. How did she lift the lid off the water tank and climb in?
I think this could have been a good case on UM.

Do you guys have any opinions on what happened to her?

Elisa lam case is freeky. The bizzar way she was acting in the lift. How did she lift the lid off the water tank and climb in?
I think this could have been a good case on UM.

Do you guys have any opinions on what happened to her?

Yes! I agree with you. This case is so strange. I've seen that video quite a few times, and it freaks me out. I do not think that she simply climbed up that tank, lifted the lid and then closed it on herself. I think she was murdered. I also think that she was either suffering a mental breakdown in that video and/or on drugs.

The Lam case haunts me as well, but truth be told, I've never known what to make of that elevator footage. When I first viewed the clip, it appeared to be nothing more than a hotel patron having difficulty using the elevator. Once you add the circumstances of the case however, the footage takes on a whole new meaning IMO.
I'm still unsure what ultimately happened in the Lam case. Did this young woman meet her end in a tragic accident, or was there something more nefarious at play?

The Lam case haunts me as well, but truth be told, I've never known what to make of that elevator footage. When I first viewed the clip, it appeared to be nothing more than a hotel patron having difficulty using the elevator. Once you add the circumstances of the case however, the footage takes on a whole new meaning IMO.
I'm still unsure what ultimately happened in the Lam case. Did this young woman meet her end in a tragic accident, or was there something more nefarious at play?

All I know is that her body ended up in a water storage tank on the roof of the hotel. The lid was closed on the tank. I think that the media said that her body had been there for a few days before she was found (and the hotel's water for the rooms comes from that tank...). I don't know if anything definite was declared in the investigation. I don't think they ever determined cause of death or whether or not she had drugs in her system. Maybe someone else here knows more? I haven't seen anything on the case in some time.

As bizarre as her behavior was, I still think Lam's death was an accident. I think she was high or possibly having a mental break, climbed up into the tank and couldn't get back out. Her COD was drowning, right? So she was alive when she went in.

As bizarre as her behavior was, I still think Lam's death was an accident. I think she was high or possibly having a mental break, climbed up into the tank and couldn't get back out. Her COD was drowning, right? So she was alive when she went in.

I think the mysterious thing with the tank was the lid. I can't remember where I read it but the article implied that the lid could have only been closed by a person outside of the tank. I guess it's possible that someone went up there, didn't look into the tank, saw the lid open and then just closed it.

I'd like to know what the deal with the elevator was. I can't decide if she's just high or high and having a mental break. That video is really disturbing.

I read that there was absolutely no drugs or alcohol in her system.
Could it be possible that she survived in the water tank long enough for any drugs or alcohol to be out for her system?
If we knew the hight of the water and Elisa's hight we could guess if she drowned instantly or lasted a while in the tank, even then she could have floated around for a while burning off energy and anything in her system.

Her behaviour in the lift was strange, the hand waving was really weird. Unnatural like. It looked to me like she was talking to someone.

I heard that the door to the roof was locked and alarmed so there are questions on how she even got up there.

How she lifted the lid on the water tank is a question I cant really think of an explanation for? If she was tall enough to reach and climb in? Strong enough to lift?

ARe there any good books or documentaries on the Elisa Lam case?

The only thing I've found is Wiki' and a few short videos on YT.

If you hear of anything please let me know.

April Tinsley

A really odd case

April Tinsley

A really odd case

what an absolutely horrifying case! I've never heard of this one before, so i googled to find out some info on it and was utterly horrified by the details of this case. I don't even feel comfortable repeating the details here because they are utterly revolting.

The sick perp that did this needs to be caught immediately.

April Tinsley

A really odd case

I've heard of that case. In fact, it was featured on America's Most Wanted.

Similar to the Ethel Kidd case is the murder of Angie Housman, a 9-year-old girl. The big difference is that Angie was tied to a tree while still alive and died of exposure :(
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/5-on-your-side/2013/11/14/angie-housman-new-leads-murder/3520911/

The murderer is another sicko that really needs to be taken off the streets.

Similar to the Ethel Kidd case is the murder of Angie Housman, a 9-year-old girl. The big difference is that Angie was tied to a tree while still alive and died of exposure :(
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/5-on-your-side/2013/11/14/angie-housman-new-leads-murder/3520911/

The murderer is another sicko that really needs to be taken off the streets.

reading about that case made me sick to my stomach. I agree the perv needs to be taken off the streets IMMEDIATELY!

Great stuff here. http://thoughtcatalog.com/michael-koh/2013/08/51-absolutely-terrifying-unsolved-mysteries-2/ Some done on UM, some not. Gotta love #15 :lol: but #45 KILLS me! omg:

These are good, too. http://listverse.com/2010/09/12/10-creepy-mysteries-you-havent-heard-of/ The James Worson story is made up, but it's always creeped the heck out of me anyway. So, probably, is Gef, but he's been a favorite with me for years.

Interesting list in need of updating. As evidenced by recent posts on this board, #1 and #2 have been identified. #6 I remember seeing a case like it on UM or somewhere--where they showed a bunch of photographs in some serial killer's collection and asked if people recognized any of them. http://listverse.com/2013/06/23/10-unsolved-mysteries-involving-unidentified-people/

Some of the same ones with some different ones, here: http://kizaz.com/2013/09/26/10-creepy-unexplained-mysteries/

and here: http://www.pinterest.com/agentdana/unsolved-mysteries/

Dyatlov Pass, UM never did that, right? I've seen it on at least three shows recently, including a full-length show devoted to the subject--or at least to the Yeti said to have caused most of it! The Cyclops, creepy! The Scottish lighthouse, I heard only recently, absolutely eerie! Amityville, will it ever be solved? Supposed to have been a proven hoax, but some still swear it was real, and one of the boys in the Lutz family has recently lectured on the subject.

Wow, extremely unusual! Here are 10 I'd never heard of, which almost never happens! http://listverse.com/2013/02/05/10-strange-little-known-unsolved-mysteries/

Speaking of Pascagoula, possibly its most famous case: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/11/calvin-parker-jr_n_4084159.html

The early '90s TV series FBI: The Untold Stories did an episode about Christopher Wilder. In the episode "Millionaire Murder", Wilder was portrayed by Rex Linn (of CSI: Miami).

His case was also profiled on Murder by the Book. I was just watching it from my collection last week.

Let me just say that Christopher Wilder was one of the sickest people ever to live. I learned some details of some of his crimes and they were so awful I don't feel comfortable repeating them here. Literally stomach-turning. I'm glad he's been dead for the last 30 years.

The episode stated he had a copy of the book "The Collector" by John Fowles. That same book was also a favorite of another sicko - Leonard Lake. I haven't read the book nor care to, but apparently it's about a man who enslaves a lady and keeps her in his basement. I'm not normally a fan of banning books, but considering this piece inspired two of the worst mass murderers in U.S. history, I think they should consider it.

The show did talk about several of Wilder's victims, both confirmed and alleged, although for some reason Tammy Lynn Leppert wasn't brought up. He did have a habit though of targeting young, attractive ladies, which inspired his nickname "The Beauty Queen Killer". He also tended to target ladies at shopping malls.

And once again, we have an instance of a group of do-nothing witnesses. The episode talked about one of his victims -- Theresa Ferguson -- whom he had assaulted in a motel. From Wikipedia: "Hotel guests and employees thought the incident was a case of domestic violence, and her screams for help were ignored"

The ep also discussed how he let one of his victims go -- Tina Risico from Torrance, CA -- although that was largely because he forced her to assist him in luring other victims before setting her free.

The ep also discussed how he let one of his victims go -- Tina Risico from Torrance, CA -- although that was largely because he forced her to assist him in luring other victims before setting her free.
Slightly OT: Was she interviewed on the segment? I have searched high and low to see any interview or update on Tina out of curiosity to see how she is doing and have found nothing. I really hope she is doing well today after all that trauma 30 years ago. I can't help but think of her when I visit that mall (which I do on a fairly regular basis) and Wilder scouting around there for potential victims.

Slightly OT: Was she interviewed on the segment? I have searched high and low to see any interview or update on Tina out of curiosity to see how she is doing and have found nothing. I really hope she is doing well today after all that trauma 30 years ago. I can't help but think of her when I visit that mall (which I do on a fairly regular basis) and Wilder scouting around there for potential victims.

Sorry, she wasn't interviewed for the show.

Similar to the Ethel Kidd case is the murder of Angie Housman, a 9-year-old girl. The big difference is that Angie was tied to a tree while still alive and died of exposure :(
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/5-on-your-side/2013/11/14/angie-housman-new-leads-murder/3520911/

The murderer is another sicko that really needs to be taken off the streets.

A girl at a school I attended died in an identical manner. (I was a freshman when her class were seniors so never knew her.) I heard plenty about the case at school, of course it was the urban legend version and I never knew the (much sadder) truth for decades until I found this article. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/the-truth-about-tasha-6741564.html In the urban legend version, the killer was "still out there," and I submitted her name to an unsolved murders site, then had to write the site owner to say my information was wrong.

A boy in Virginia died in a similar way not long ago, tied to a tree, except he passed away from being too hot and the people who tied him were his own parents! ticked:

Sorry, she wasn't interviewed for the show.
Thanks, wiseguy. I figured the answer was no, but thought I'd ask anyway. I can't blame her for not being interviewed or wanting to talk about the case. Interestingly enough they made a movie in the 80s that fully used her real name and probably called even more attention to her and what had happened.

A girl at a school I attended died in an identical manner. (I was a freshman when her class were seniors so never knew her.) I heard plenty about the case at school, of course it was the urban legend version and I never knew the (much sadder) truth for decades until I found this article. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/the-truth-about-tasha-6741564.html In the urban legend version, the killer was "still out there," and I submitted her name to an unsolved murders site, then had to write the site owner to say my information was wrong.


What a terrible story! :( It's yet another case of someone who offended and shouldn't have been of the streets in the first place taking innocent lives. That is so awful.

What a terrible story! :( It's yet another case of someone who offended and shouldn't have been of the streets in the first place taking innocent lives. That is so awful.

Quite possibly the worst thing to me was the existence of two previous victims (which I never remember hearing) and that both the parents of the one who gave the warning and the headmistress (the same one, still there when I came!) dismissed her as being hysterical! What, it wasn't worth the price of a phone call to check whether the story was true, so this time someone ended up dead? She was lucky to retain her job and that the whole school wasn't brought down over it! As I said, you couldn't make this stuff up--just too insane! I am so glad I didn't know this in school as I would have been profoundly upset and completely distrustful of those in authority! (And, yes, she was replaced by the headmistress who shot the diet doctor, who was really a very nice lady.)

Perhaps this could have been a lost heir segment or something. The unsolved mystery behind the fortune of actress Diana Dors, one-time wife of Richard Dawson, who left behind a fortune of over 2 million to one of Richard's sons, via an encrypted code. It remains a mystery and the money has never been found.

For those who may be unfamiliar with Dors, she had many roles back in her day: movie star, author, singer, Cabaret star, you name it. She also frequently appeared on television in anthology shows, game shows and talk shows. She was also (in)famous for the adult parties she hosted, in which many celebrities attended.

This case happened in the same Iowa city that Jodi Huisentruit disappeared from, but 12 years earlier. There isn't too much info, but since her bed was turned down and her wallet and license were in her house, it seems reasonable to assume that Grace made it home that night. I assume that her car was there as well. Otherwise they probably would have mentioned that it was missing.

http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/grace-esquivel/

Becky Turner/Lori Kennedy Ruff's concealment of her identity for decades. www.seattletimes.com/seattle.../she-stole-anotherrsquos-identity-and-took-her-secret-to-the-grave-who-was-she/

Barbara and Patricia Grimes murder in 1956: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_the_Grimes_sisters My maternal grandfather was a cop in Chicago at the time and this was a huge case that received a lot of publicity.

Another older case, the possibly linked murders of three young men in southern Louisiana and Mississippi: http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/2010/02/unknown-serial-killer-in-louisiana-by.html Turcotte and Richardson apparently worked at the same restaurant in New Orleans' French quarter, Jimmy's Coney Island hot dog stand on Royal street.

Being originally from Missouri The Springfield Three is the case that most fascinates, and haunts me. My sister lived there at the time and it was HUGE...3 women disappearing the same night without a trace...how is that possible?

A woman who worked with my sister was a self proclaimed psychic, and in the first few days she predicted they were dead, and would not be found....eerie, not saying she was genuine, but strange how all these years later the truth has not been discovered, and no bodies.

Another case, the missing Ft Worth Trio, the three young ladies who went missing from a mall in Ft. Worth in 1974.

Another one is the serial killer "Bible John" who murdered three women in Scotland in the late 60's. Some of the more fascinating elements that would have been perfect for UM include:

-All three women were menstruating at the time.

-The Barrowland, the club the killer found his victims at, had a reputation as being a place for adulterous hookups between married people.

-The killings were suspected to be the work of serial killer Peter Tobin but this has never been proved.

-The sister of one of the victims was with the killer and said he had red hair and was tall but club employees said the man was shorter with jet black hair.


And the death of Mitrice Richardson:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/11/05/the-death-of-mitrice-richardson-a-malibu-murder-mystery.html

This case happened in the same Iowa city that Jodi Huisentruit disappeared from, but 12 years earlier. There isn't too much info, but since her bed was turned down and her wallet and license were in her house, it seems reasonable to assume that Grace made it home that night. I assume that her car was there as well. Otherwise they probably would have mentioned that it was missing.

http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/grace-esquivel/

I've been posting a lot of the cases on that Iowa cold cases website on the True Crimes Forum. Lots of intruging ones. The site is well-maintained, with some cases dating back to the 1800's!

I would have loved to have seen how Unsolved Mysteries would have profiled the Michele/Missy Avila case. Her murder was made into a Lifetime movie called "A Killer Among Friends", starring Patty Duke, & Tiffani-Amber Theissen of Saved By The Bell fame. It was solved just after UM really got going, but am sure it would have made for an interesting segment on the show. It was later discovered (for those of you who don't already know) that she was killed by her two best friends, Laura Doyle & Karen Severson, due to them being jealous of her popularity, looks, and accusing her of messing with their boyfriends. Good, but sad movie it was also, and can't help but to be moved to tears everytime I watch it. That being even if it's also so satisfying to see the killers/her friends getting arrested in the end, when it was proved they killed her.

Corrine went missing from Creston, Iowa in 1984 after leaving a laundromat. Her purse, keys and a basket of folded laundry were found in her car. Her body was found in a shallow grave a while later.


I just watched "A Killer Among Friends" a couple of months ago and really enjoyed it.

Guy Howard Heckle that went missing while on a Boy Scout camp out in 1973, is another Iowa case that has always intrigued me too.

Corrine went missing from Creston, Iowa in 1984 after leaving a laundromat. Her purse, keys and a basket of folded laundry were found in her car. Her body was found in a shallow grave a while later.


I just watched "A Killer Among Friends" a couple of months ago and really enjoyed it.

Corrine actually went missing in 1983, her remains were found in 1984. Her purse was found out by a bridge.

I would have loved to have seen how Unsolved Mysteries would have profiled the Michele/Missy Avila case. Her murder was made into a Lifetime movie called "A Killer Among Friends", starring Patty Duke, & Tiffani-Amber Theissen of Saved By The Bell fame. It was solved just after UM really got going, but am sure it would have made for an interesting segment on the show.

Since the friends were arrested in 1988, the same year UM became a weekly series, if UM had been given that promotion much sooner, there would have been a better chance of the series profiling the case. By the way, A Killer Among Friends was originally broadcast on CBS, not Lifetime.

I'm glad to see some solved cases on the Iowa Cold Cases website. This one baffles me even though they've identified the killer. What was the motive for any of his horrible crimes? http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/justin-hook-sarah-link-and-tina-lade/

It always saddens and confounds me when there seems to be no motive at all. It makes horrible crimes even more senseless.

I know AMW profiled this one, but this crime would have been good for UM to profile:

A woman comes home, unlocks the door, and discovers that in the middle of the night both her daughter and housemate have been murdered. She would have been killed as well, had she not fallen asleep on her boyfriend's couch.
http://www.marcoislandflorida.com/article/20110612/COLUMNISTS02/108060009/21-year-old-Cape-Coral-murders-still-stump-detectives


Tragically, the adult victim had only moved in the day before.

According to the Websleuths thread, John Addis (profiled on UM) is a possible suspect. He and the mother attended the same gym. And blonde hair was found at the scene...

Happy to report this crime was solved recently. John Addis was not the guilty party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robin-cornell-lisa-story-murder-solved_us_57edad57e4b082aad9ba85dc

what an absolutely horrifying case! I've never heard of this one before, so i googled to find out some info on it and was utterly horrified by the details of this case. I don't even feel comfortable repeating the details here because they are utterly revolting.

The sick perp that did this needs to be caught immediately.

There was another Fort Wayne girl, Sarah Bowker, that was abducted and killed in 1990. The police believe it was the same person that killed April Tinsley. Unfortunately in those days, I think the FWPD and investigators were incompetent when it came to crime-scene preservation and it's likely that they mishandled the evidence, forever tarnishing it.

As of 2005, the perp was still alive, as apparently he puts samples of his semen in mailboxes in a neighborhood just north of the downtown area. The DNA found in the mailboxes matched the DNA found at the April Tinsley crime scene. I sometimes am out and about in the city wondering who this sick bastard might be (assuming he's still alive).

As of 2005, the perp was still alive, as apparently he puts samples of his semen in mailboxes in a neighborhood just north of the downtown area. The DNA found in the mailboxes matched the DNA found at the April Tinsley crime scene. I sometimes am out and about in the city wondering who this sick bastard might be (assuming he's still alive).

That is bizarre and horrifying.

I'm guessing this guy has never been arrested, so he feels comfortable enough at leaving that evidence behind. I hope very much he gets caught, but it sounds like this will be a tough case to crack.

This week I read about one of the most appalling crimes I have ever heard of. Like many on this forum, I read a lot of true crime and about missing persons and such. Regardless, I had to take a few moments to digest what I had just read after reading about this one. A young girl decides to wait for the school bus alone for the first time, because she was growing up. Less than two weeks later, her head was found in a paint can. Someone had used a knife to remove all of the flesh, eyes, hair. The killer even polished part of the skull. I felt sick to my stomach after reading about the case and have a queasy feeling even typing it. This happened in 1978 and the rest of her body has never been found.

Although one article says she was 15, Carol Lynn Sullivan was only 12 when this occurred.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2002-06-16/news/0206140483_1_skull-path-ants
http://www.myhometownnews.net/index.php?id=97177
http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130525/news/305259997


Was Ted Bundy in Florida in the late '70's? I know he murdered young girls. Or do you think this crime fits Ottis Toole's M.O. moreso than Ted Bundy?

Was Ted Bundy in Florida in the late '70's? I know he murdered young girls. Or do you think this crime fits Ottis Toole's M.O. moreso than Ted Bundy?

He was in northern Florida (Tallahassee, Jacksonville, Lake City and Pensacola) for just a little under a month from January 15, 1978 until he was arrested on February 12th near the Alabama border. Carol Lynn disappeared several months later in September.

Ted Bundy's victims were a little older, between the ages of 16 and 25. One of his victims was member of my former church. My parents went to her funeral in 1975.

Because of my love of my history, the following...and, yes, they are sooo old that any party involved is dead....

Lloyd Gaines--civil rights pioneer
Judge Joseph Crater
Dorothy Arnold--socialite
Starr Faithfull--drowned socialite flapper
Gina Renee Hall--missing co-ed; murderer convicted without her body

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall UM ever doing an episode on Karen Silkwood. Her case would have been perfect for UM.

Because of my love of my history, the following...and, yes, they are sooo old that any party involved is dead....

Lloyd Gaines--civil rights pioneer
Judge Joseph Crater
Dorothy Arnold--socialite
Starr Faithfull--drowned socialite flapper
Gina Renee Hall--missing co-ed; murderer convicted without her body

Was Crater the one killed in West Palm Beach? A crime to remember did a show on that I think

You are thinking of the Chilling worth case. Crater disappeared after watching a Broadway play!

That's it! Both started with C LOL

That is correct, A Crime to Remember did a show on Judge Chillingworth, who disappeared with his wife Marjorie.

An investigation into the death of Heath Ledger, and whether or not he was killed by one of the Oleson twins.

An investigation into the death of Heath Ledger, and whether or not he was killed by one of the Oleson twins.

DAMMIT BABY MICHELLE

Oh yes, the world must know who forced Heath Ledger to OD. Forget about Charles Morgan and Karen Silkwood. We must continue to be obsessed with celebrity and forget about cases where there could have been some misconduct on behalf of the government.

Oh yes, the world must know who forced Heath Ledger to OD. Forget about Charles Morgan and Karen Silkwood. We must continue to be obsessed with celebrity and forget about cases where there could have been some misconduct on behalf of the government.

While I totally see your point about Charles Morgan and Karen Silkwood, I think WG was perhaps commenting on the fact the UM did cover celebrity conspiracy stories from time to time-- Kurt Cobain comes to mind.

That being said, I don't think there's any cover-up involving Heath Ledger's death. He accidentially OD'ed, plain and simple. If we're going to delve into odd celebrity deaths, I'd want to examine Brittany Murphy and Simon Monjack. The "killer mold" theory is pretty interesting...

Here is an article detailing suspicious actions on the part of Mary Kate Olsen.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-child-star-and-the-painkillers-found-at-heath-ledgers-bedside-886080.html

Yeah, I've seen this stuff circulating around for years:

1) So she gave him the painkillers and that makes her responsible for his death? No one forced him to mix the painkillers with all those sleeping aids.

2) She refused to talk without immunity from prosecution? That's not uncommon. I see that request frequently. Doesn't mean I grant it, but it also means that I don't naturally assume that just because someone is skeptical of police, they are guilty of a crime. The guy's body was found in her house. If she DIDN'T think of the possibility that she may be charged with a crime, I would seriously question her intelligence.

I don't even think Heath's family thought anything was suspicious. They all noted that he had walking pnuemonia and that he had been suffering from insomnia. The mix proved to be fatal.

From Heath's own family: "While no medications were taken in excess, we learned today the combination of doctor-prescribed drugs proved lethal for our boy. Heath's accidental death serves as a caution to the hidden dangers of combining prescription medication, even at low dosage."

There's no mystery here.

Yeah, I've seen this stuff circulating around for years:

1) So she gave him the painkillers and that makes her responsible for his death? No one forced him to mix the painkillers with all those sleeping aids.

The issue is that the painkillers weren't prescribed for him, so if she did give them to him, it looks kinda hinky.

Also, who sends their masseuse over instead of emergency services?

The issue is that the painkillers weren't prescribed for him, so if she did give them to him, it looks kinda hinky.

Also, who sends their masseuse over instead of emergency services?

http://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/16/07/dead_horse.jpg

What's problematic is that celebrities who commit crimes get off the hook all the time. Their crimes are swept under the rug or covered up. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened with Mary-Kate.

Look at Tim Allen. He was behind bars for drug dealing, then a few years later was playing a family man and role model to millions on Home Improvement.

DAMMIT BABY MICHELLE

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look at Tim Allen. He was behind bars for drug dealing, then a few years later was playing a family man and role model to millions on Home Improvement.

He paid his debt to society and sat in federal prison for two and a half years. It looks like they let him out a bit early, probably because of good behavior. He wasn't a stand-up comedian then, so there's no argument to be made that he got "off easy" because he was famous. He actually got a lighter sentence because he assisted with the prosecution of other drug traffickers.

What exactly are you saying? People who do time are not worthy of being role models to others? I may be a prosecutor, but people who commit crimes, for the most part, are not terrible people. They are folks who made terrible decisions and deserve empathy.

Given where Tim Allen came from, I think he's one hell of a role model to felons. The same goes for Danny Trejo.

Anyway-- back to cases that should be profiled on UM... How the heck did UM not cover the West Memphis Three? That case had EVERYTHING that UM would have found compelling-- right down to the Satanic panic.

Anyway-- back to cases that should be profiled on UM... How the heck did UM not cover the West Memphis Three? That case had EVERYTHING that UM would have found compelling-- right down to the Satanic panic.

The problem with the West Memphis Three case from UM's perspective is that to cover the "unsolved" portion of it they'd have to try to refute the Satanic panic angle instead of biting down into it like they usually did.

The problem with the West Memphis Three case from UM's perspective is that to cover the "unsolved" portion of it they'd have to try to refute the Satanic panic angle instead of biting down into it like they usually did.

That's a pretty good point. UM really did enjoy the cases where good old Satanic Panic set in.

Off topic: I feel like Satanic Panic is a sweet band name. I'm gonna have to google that to see if anyone has claimed it.

That's a pretty good point. UM really did enjoy the cases where good old Satanic Panic set in.

Off topic: I feel like Satanic Panic is a sweet band name. I'm gonna have to google that to see if anyone has claimed it.

Should've been the name of Slayer's first album

Off topic: I feel like Satanic Panic is a sweet band name. I'm gonna have to google that to see if anyone has claimed it.

Or, even better, Satanic Panic...at the Disco. BOOM, nailed it!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cold-case-solved-with-dna-man-charged-with-1993-murder-of-9-year-old-girl/ar-AACrZnd?ocid=spartanntp