I know that we want answers to every segment, but if there was one case (I know that we will all pick more than one, lol) that you could pick to know what actually happened/have the mystery solved, which would it be? A lot of good ones I know, but I would say Cindy James. I wonder how her stalker went undetected all that time or if she was in fact able to stage that whole thing?...

I know that we want answers to every segment, but if there was one case (I know that we will all pick more than one, lol) that you could pick to know what actually happened/have the mystery solved, which would it be? A lot of good ones I know, but I would say Cindy James. I wonder how her stalker went undetected all that time or if she was in fact able to stage that whole thing?...
The murders at the Los Cruces Bowling alley; charles southern;oliver munson

It’s hard to pick just one case. But if I had to, I’d go with Nyleen Kay Marshall. It’s just so odd the way she was kidnapped and the way the kidnapper would send letters and make phone calls letting people know what was going on with her. Sometimes, I think it might just be a cruel joke and in reality she was killed the day she disappeared. Since they were out camping, it seemed pretty easy to just hide her body and eventually animals would get to it. Her family went through so much tragedy. First, her disappearance and then the murder of her mother. I just hope that even though it seems unlikely that they do find Nyleen or at least her remains :/

Very hard to choose just one.

I would like to know what really happened to Tami Leppert.

Did she have a mental break and take off then later meet with foul play or start a new life? Was she a victim of one of the serial killers working in the area at the time or a killer we've never heard of? Was someone she knew involved? Lots of questions....

It's so hard to pick just one, but I'll go with Debra Poe. Was she the victim of a serial killer who targeted clerks working alone at night or did her friend/boyfriend have something to do with it? Was Megadeath man even involved, or just taking an opportunity to have the run of the store after her disappearance? It's such a scary case.

I would select a case where nothing completely adds up and it's almost impossible to come up with an airtight solution about what happened. Therefore, my choice would be Aileen Conway. There are tons of good theories on this board, but in each of them, there's at least one element that just doesn't make any damn sense, so I'd really love to find out the truth. It's still my pick for the most baffling mystery ever presented on UM.

Mine would be the murders of Diana Robertson, Ruth Cooper, Stephen Harkins, and Mike Riemer.

Some really good segments listed; i forgot about one that was just as baffling as the Cindy James segment, the one where a man from Canada claimed he was being stalked and he fled to the US. He was later found with different types of currency around him, his pants pulled down, and dead from blunt force trauma to the stomach.

I'd have to go with Morgan Nick. Other than the sighting of that one guy at the ballpark that night who looked out of place, there has been very little, if anything to go on in this case. Baffling to say the least.

I would say the Blind River Rest Stop Murders, but the person I would want to know for (Mr McAllister) has since passed away. I want to know about the Mike Riemer case, for his daughter's closure. It's hard to pick just one. I think more about the families than my own curiosity.


If I had to pick one ONLY for my curiosity, it would be the Murder of Jaclyn Dowaliby. I'm convinced it was the Uncle.

I think my choice would be Ayleen Conway. Its just so baffling.

I think I would choose the "children" of Franklin Delano Floyd. I would like to know where Michael Hughes is and who Sharon Marshall really was.

I think mine might be the case of Leah Roberts. Very baffling, because (in my opinion) it seems equally likely that she could be dead OR alive. But if she's dead, where is her body? If she's alive, where is SHE?

I think I'd go with: Amy Billig, Anthonette Cayedito and michaela garecht (I've become friends with her mom)

East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker

It would bring "closure" to the most people.

Tommy Ziegler. That case needs massive explanations.

I was going to say Sharron Marshall and Michael Hughes as well since I'm currently reading the book about it.
My alternate would be Angela Hammond, I can't imagine what her last moments must have been like, so it would be nice to have brought the guy to justice.

none of yalls want to know about ZODIAC?

Yeah I guess I'd like to know about that one, but for some reason whenever UM did a story on an already highly publicized case, it wasn't all that scary to me compared to ones less public.

Keith Warren, Gordon Page, Tommy Burkett, Katherine Korzilius, Dale Kerstetter

and nobody mentioned 2pac?

Amy Billig

Tommy Ziegler. That case needs massive explanations.

I agree. Forgot all about this one, would love to find out if he was in fact set up as a fall guy.

none of yalls want to know about ZODIAC?

I do. I used to be obsessed with the case and wanted to know SO bad, but I always forget that it was even mentioned on UM. I would still rather know about Jaclyn. Zodiac would be a close second. I think it's likely that the Zodiac killer is already dead.

I do. I used to be obsessed with the case and wanted to know SO bad, but I always forget that it was even mentioned on UM. I would still rather know about Jaclyn. Zodiac would be a close second. I think it's likely that the Zodiac killer is already dead.
I think he's dead, too. His age at the time of the crimes was not far from middle age and it's been so many decades. Not to mention, even if he changed his MO, I doubt he wouldn't have sent more taunting letters and such. That seemed to be his nature, to taunt and take credit for his crimes.

Wendy Camp and the 2 other Females. THAT family must be brought to face justice!

Does anyone remember the case where the old lady was working in her front lawn and a guy asked to use her phone or something along that nature. And then I believe one of her kids went to go visit her like they normally did, and she wasn't at the house but was found in the woods dead and it was also shown she was sexually assaulted. What case is that again? It would be much appreciated if anyone could help. Thanks!

Does anyone remember the case where the old lady was working in her front lawn and a guy asked to use her phone or something along that nature. And then I believe one of her kids went to go visit her like they normally did, and she wasn't at the house but was found in the woods dead and it was also shown she was sexually assaulted. What case is that again? It would be much appreciated if anyone could help. Thanks!
That's the Ethel Kidd case, which thankfully was solved. Police believed he pretended to be lost by using a road atlas (that was found on her lawn) to make her feel secure. Her killer actually died in prison not too long ago and I believe he was an area resident at the time of the crime.

That's the Ethel Kidd case, which thankfully was solved. Police believed he pretended to be lost by using a road atlas (that was found on her lawn) to make her feel secure. Her killer actually died in prison not too long ago and I believe he was an area resident at the time of the crime.
Yeah I had thought the case was solved. I just really liked that case. Thanks for helping me out!

My all time favorite would have to be D.B. Cooper!

Without a doubt; Tammy Lynn Leppert,Cindy James,and Anthonette Cayedito. I think about those 3 cases CONSTANTLY. I've spoken with both Tammy's sister and one of Anthonette's sisters.

Tammy;Bottom line,no one that attractive goes unnoticed,and if she was murdered,most of the times the remains are eventually found,not always,but usually. I mean I know she's dead,I just need to know when and by whom,and for what reason,as well as if what she claims she saw,had any validity to it,and had something to do with her disappearance and death.

Anthonette;The phone call over a year after she was abducted,what's that all about. The incident at the restaurant,was it her? Where is she now? She is one that I actually have a small hope of still possibly being alive.

Cindy James; Duh.How many Canadians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

And Wendy Camp,though I try not to think about that one because I know the Noe's did it,and their smug attitude and lies make be want to curb stomp Ida's skull then piss in her eye sockets after I enucleate her eyeballs. Where's the damn bodies,and how did they kill them? I don't want to talk about it. Luckily the bitch Ida is dead now.

I also think that DB Cooper is one that best left unsolved.It's been an unsolved mystery that's turned into legend. Knowing what ultimately happened to him,would take all the air out of that case.

Also,L`Enfant (being in my top 3 favorite segments of all time).I'd like to know exactly who was behind it,how many people,how were they placing the calls so close together (goes back to how many of them there were),and why.

There's many others of course,but those are the ones I think about all the time.

Also,two that have also always bothered me,was Crystal Spencer (we know she didn't die of "natural causes" half naked in a dark corner of her apartment. Especially when her dopey neighbors heard the blood-curdling screams ((but apparently didn't feel the need to do much else but roll over and go back to sleep)). The autopsy was clearly not the correct one for Crystal Spencer.

Then Dick Hansen. I know it was drug related,but to make it interesting they pushed it off as some wacko who didn't like the 49'ers or her license plate. But why and why was "Jean" so reluctant to talk?

Yes, Dick Hansen is another that has me baffled. I wonder if the killer would have killed the woman if she ended up being separated from Dick on the highway or if he planned to follow one of them home?

Tara Calico is another one, and if she was the girl in the photo. If she wasn't , then who were those children and what was that photo all about?

And last (for now) the one with the kid named Kieth who was found hung in a tree but police ruled it a suicide? i wonder what was the real reason he was killed and why the police botched it/try to cover something up.

I think he's dead, too. His age at the time of the crimes was not far from middle age and it's been so many decades. Not to mention, even if he changed his MO, I doubt he wouldn't have sent more taunting letters and such. That seemed to be his nature, to taunt and take credit for his crimes.

That's my thinking too.

I'm still convinced that the Dick Hansen case has something to do with 'Jean' (not a license plate) and that the killer was pointing at her.

I'm still convinced that the Dick Hansen case has something to do with 'Jean' (not a license plate) and that the killer was pointing at her.
That's my opinion as well. I think he probably said something crude about her to elicit a reaction like that from Dick.

I would say the Interstate 70 killer. This case has fascinated me because my in laws used to live in Wichita where the bridal shop murders happened.

I also would like to know about Jodi Huisentruit.

Absolutely D.B. Cooper, just one of those incredible true stories with a cliffhanger ending. Did he really pull off the "perfect crime?" We'll almost certainly never know for sure.

If I had to pick one more it'd be the 1962 Alcatraz escape. Did they drown as commonly believed or get away with it and reach the mainland? Those two cases are very intriguing and unlikely to ever be solved.

God, there are so many! DB Cooper, Amy Billig, Brad Bishop, Cindy James....

I'd have to go with East Area Rapist. That would be my pick.

Some really good segments listed; i forgot about one that was just as baffling as the Cindy James segment, the one where a man from Canada claimed he was being stalked and he fled to the US. He was later found with different types of currency around him, his pants pulled down, and dead from blunt force trauma to the stomach.

You're referring to the Blair Adams case. That case gets my vote. So many things that don't add up in that case.

You're referring to the Blair Adams case. That case gets my vote. So many things that don't add up in that case.Yes, that's one of the most outright bizarre cases. Suicide just doesn't seem very likely and nothing else makes a whole lot of sense.

I would choose the Christophe Day case. There was a post from his sister on here and she said that she and her father were going to go to France to double check the details of the death, because Betty day's mom called them and told them he wasn't dead.

I would choose the Christophe Day case. There was a post from his sister on here and she said that she and her father were going to go to France to double check the details of the death, because Betty day's mom called them and told them he wasn't dead.

REALLY???? I didn't hear about this!! Do you know if there is any credibility to Betty Day's mother's apparent phone call? BIZARRE!!!!

I would probably say Rachael Runyan since the segment was so incredibly sad and horrifying. I would like to know what happened to her in order for her family to achieve peace around it.

Other cases I would really want to hear what happened: Amy Bechtel, Jodi Huisentruit, Angela Hammond, Chad Mauer, Tammy Lynn Leppert, and Chaim Weiss.

Rachel Runyan, Jodi Huisentruit, The Wackers (there's some explanation to that one without a doubt), Anthonette Cayedito, Kurt McFall, Dexter Stefonek.

My all time favorite would have to be D.B. Cooper!

easy, that mofo is dead.
body is rotting under water with the fishes. they found a-lot of his money burned in the sand, and not one dollar bill ever has turned up in circulation.

the whackers is one that i want to know WTF is going on.
also the case of the two young girls from Arizona I believe who were last seen entering a truck at a gas station, then they were found dumped out in the desert.

Id like to find out what really went on with Bryan Nisenfeld,that case always puzzled me. I dont believe he really killed himself.

I sort of would like to find out what happended to Frank Morris but its one of those cases id sooner it just stay a mystery. Has anyone mentioned the Zodiac Killer yet.

easy, that mofo is dead.
body is rotting under water with the fishes. they found a-lot of his money burned in the sand, and not one dollar bill ever has turned up in circulation.


Dont know he died for definite,it wasnt that much of the money,it was really just a handful of what he got away with.

Nyleen Marshall is definitely one I would like to see solved. That family has gone through so much over the years and really deserves some kind of closure.

The person who wrote that letter also needs to be caught. Every time I come across that case it gives me chills.

I would have to say Danny Casolaro. If he really was murdered, imagine all the information about corrupt government you would uncover if it was solved.

I would have to say Danny Casolaro. If he really was murdered, imagine all the information about corrupt government you would uncover if it was solved.

I doubt it. I tend to think Casolaro was investigating something that was never really there in the first place.

I doubt it. I tend to think Casolaro was investigating something that was never really there in the first place.

Well, that's why I picked that case, so I could know for sure. But besides that case, I would either pick Angela Hammond, Jody Huisentruit, or Cindy James. Maybe even Jeffery MacDonald.

Well, that's why I picked that case, so I could know for sure. But besides that case, I would either pick Angela Hammond, Jody Huisentruit, or Cindy James. Maybe even Jeffery MacDonald.

Angela Hammond is a good one. I think everyone on the board would love to find out who was responsible and see an arrest made. IMO, Jeffrey MacDonald was solved back in 1979 when he was convicted of the murders.

Angela Hammond is a good one. I think everyone on the board would love to find out who was responsible and see an arrest made. IMO, Jeffrey MacDonald was solved back in 1979 when he was convicted of the murders.

I agree with that, but it would just be nice to have a confession or something so all of his sympathizers would finally shut up.

I think I would choose the "children" of Franklin Delano Floyd. I would like to know where Michael Hughes is and who Sharon Marshall really was.

This is definitely the first one that comes to my mind. Close seconds would be Keith Warren, Angela Hammond, and Jennifer Lueth/Diana Shawcroft.

I think I would choose the "children" of Franklin Delano Floyd. I would like to know where Michael Hughes is and who Sharon Marshall really was.

Me too. That case will always haunt me.

Also the Leah Roberts case. I relate so much to her. That episode of "Disappeared" only further piqued my curiosity.

Sharon Marshall
Amy Billig
AJ Breaux
The un-named Grateful Dead fan

Just one?!

How about any of the UFO cases? Betty Cash, the Polish immigrant sighting in Canada. The boys that may have burned to death?, Jeremy Bright, Kurt Sova, Janice Pockett.

If just one, it'd be Kurt Sova. That case sticks so vividly in my mind. Close seconds would be Keith Reinhard, Adam Hecht, Keith Warren, and Michael O'Mara.

If just one, it'd be Kurt Sova. That case sticks so vividly in my mind. Close seconds would be Keith Reinhard, Adam Hecht, Keith Warren, and Michael O'Mara.

I don't think there's any real mystery behind Keith Reinhard's disappearance. He trekked up into those mountains, got lost and died of exposure. We're talking a pretty large land mass with plenty of crevices etc hence the reason his skeleton's never been located.

If just one, it'd be Kurt Sova. That case sticks so vividly in my mind. Close seconds would be Keith Reinhard, Adam Hecht, Keith Warren, and Michael O'Mara.

Kurt Sova is a great choice, RainMan. Definitely one of the most mentally wracking cases. There's a considerable period of time unaccounted for in that one as well in those five days he was missing.

I tend to agree with Corkys-Place on Keith Reinhard's fate, but it would still be nice to know for certain. I think there does exist the slimmest possibility that he could have committed suicide.

Michael O'Mara I think was definitely a homicide.

I think Adam Hecht and Keith Warren are also good picks.

I don't think there's any real mystery behind Keith Reinhard's disappearance. He trekked up into those mountains, got lost and died of exposure. We're talking a pretty large land mass with plenty of crevices etc hence the reason his skeleton's never been located.
I think that's the most credible explanation as well. The mystery to me is why he made that trek without any equipment or anything at such a late time of the day. I also wonder if he decided to commit suicide believing Tom Young did the same thing since he made a point to tell a bunch of people in the town before setting out. As with many other cases, there's several different angles to look at with this one regarding Keith's state of mind the day he disappeared.

Kurt Sova is a great choice, RainMan. Definitely one of the most mentally wracking cases. There's a considerable period of time unaccounted for in that one as well in those five days he was missing.

I tend to agree with Corkys-Place on Keith Reinhard's fate, but it would still be nice to know for certain. I think there does exist the slimmest possibility that he could have committed suicide.

Michael O'Mara I think was definitely a homicide.

I think Adam Hecht and Keith Warren are also good picks.
Thanks, Meg! I also believe Michael O'Mara was murdered as well. It would've been pretty far-fetched for him to have committed suicide in my opinion. I mean, anything's possible, but given his state of mind before his death I think he stumbled upon something at the wrong time and got himself killed for it. As for Kurt Sova, I tend to think he may have had some undiagnosed intolerance towards alcohol that killed him. Given that Everclear is a strong substance, there is a disease where certain people can't digest alcohol and if consumed in large amounts or given strong enough amounts, they can't force it out of their system and they die. To me, it's completely accurate that the people he was with at the time freaked and placed his body in the ravine. The only things that confuse me with this case is where Kurt was the five days he was missing and the strange drifter in the record shop who predicted Kurt would be found dead the exact day he did turn up dead.

Keith Reinhard would be nice to just so understand exactly what he was trying to accomplish and why he did it in the first place. I'm sure we can guess as to what his reasons were, but they would be nice to know for sure.

"As for Kurt Sova, I tend to think he may have had some undiagnosed intolerance towards alcohol that killed him. Given that Everclear is a strong substance, there is a disease where certain people can't digest alcohol and if consumed in large amounts or given strong enough amounts, they can't force it out of their system and they die. To me, it's completely accurate that the people he was with at the time freaked and placed his body in the ravine. The only things that confuse me with this case is where Kurt was the five days he was missing and the strange drifter in the record shop who predicted Kurt would be found dead the exact day he did turn up dead."


I think the people that lived at the duplex just had him in the basement on the cot up until the day before or day of his body being found.

I think it's possible that the "crazy guy" might have been misquoted somewhat (might have been something like, "bet he'll be found dead in a couple of days" or something more to that extent) or that it was just a "lucky" coincidence that he stated what he did. Otherwise, he would have been someone that was at that duplex while Kurt was there and knew of their plans to remove and place his body somewhere (and maybe even was one of the two guys who carried his body to the ravine area).

Kurt Sova is a great choice, RainMan. Definitely one of the most mentally wracking cases. There's a considerable period of time unaccounted for in that one as well in those five days he was missing.


Kurt Sova was framed interestingly, but I think the explaination is actually pretty simple - he died of alchohol poisoning and the people at the party freaked out and didn't know what to do with his body for a few days.

My choice for this thread is the Tube Sock Killer, killer of Mike Reimer, his gf, and the other couple. After Mike's skull was found I actually found myself feeling bad for him (Mike), the way his name was run through the mud for decades.

2nd would be Angela Hammond. There really is nowhere to start with her - she could have been taken anywhere in the Missouri wilderness. It was shocking to see how poorly her bf has aged - he looks like hes about 65 and IIRC he just turned 40.

"Kurt Sova was framed interestingly, but I think the explaination is actually pretty simple - he died of alchohol poisoning and the people at the party freaked out and didn't know what to do with his body for a few days."


But they were also stupid, negligent, or both because they might have thought that he was already dead when he was in fact, technically still alive and in a coma, which would explain the coroner's report of him being found 24 to 36 hours after he had actually died and would also explain why his BAC was not as high as one would expect when the autopsy was performed on him (had time to lower while he was in a coma).

The above post mentioning that Kurt might have had an unknown medical condition (to him, obviously) of intolerance to alcohol or at least hard liquor and that perhaps his body was not capable of extracting the alcohol (ie the duplex people probably lied about him getting sick/throwing up and going outside) and falling into coma seems very plausible to me.

Andrew Jones: The case of the teenager who died in prison. Arguments could be made if it was suicide or murder.

Kristen Modafferi: Although many think the missing young lady was murdered in SF, there is also the possibility that she could have fallen in the water (although unlikely).

Dale Kerstetter: I'm still on the fence on this classic UM story. Many think he was part of an inside job to steal from his job, however, there was the alleged masked intruder and his body was never found.

Bird Road Rapist: Luis Diaz was freed, but the real rapist was never found. This entire episode makes your blood boil with the corruption behind the conviction. In addition, Diaz lost his wife while he was in prison. I know that he got $1.3 million last year(excluding legal fees), but that can't compensate for the years lost. He did about 25 years, just recently a man got $4.1 million for four days without food and water as San Diego authorities left him in a DEA cell. The young man had to drink his own urine to survive, yet i think most would prefer that than 25 years for a crime you didn't do.

But they were also stupid, negligent, or both because they might have thought that he was already dead when he was in fact, technically still alive and in a coma, which would explain the coroner's report of him being found 24 to 36 hours after he had actually died and would also explain why his BAC was not as high as one would expect when the autopsy was performed on him (had time to lower while he was in a coma).

The above post mentioning that Kurt might have had an unknown medical condition (to him, obviously) of intolerance to alcohol or at least hard liquor and that perhaps his body was not capable of extracting the alcohol (ie the duplex people probably lied about him getting sick/throwing up and going outside) and falling into coma seems very plausible to me.

Good observation, Steve W. I agree this is very likely. I wonder if Kurt's liver was examined for any recent acute damage and/or cell death. If he had copious amounts of alcohol in one evening, there would likely be evidence of that. I also wonder if a liver function test was conducted, regardless of the BAC. I have no idea exactly what diagnostics are standard at autopsy--much less what they generally were in '81.

But they were also stupid, negligent, or both because they might have thought that he was already dead when he was in fact, technically still alive and in a coma, which would explain the coroner's report of him being found 24 to 36 hours after he had actually died and would also explain why his BAC was not as high as one would expect when the autopsy was performed on him (had time to lower while he was in a coma).

They were dumb kids who were helping out Susan. I don't blame them as much as I blame her. She was older, probably not that much older, but she was legally an adult and old enough to drink. It was her house, her party and minors were drinking a ton of alcohol under her watch. She was caught lying to Dorothy Sova twice in the aftermath.

I'm sure she never meant for anyone to get hurt, much less die. But in the end, her carelessness resulted in Kurt's death. I think the main thing that saved her from any criminal charges, besides police incompetence, was the autopsy report which revealed nothing. What a lucky break on her part. Any trace of alcohol posioning might have brought out a different outcome.

Although I have to admit, I have no idea what kind of charges a person can face for serving alcohol to minors. Maybe a fine and some jail time if I had to guess. But the minor dying as a result obviously makes things much worse.

I've been thinking about Keith Warren a lot recently, and I really do wonder what could possibly have been going on behind the scenes of this one. It doesn't just stop with his murder, it goes beyond that.

Dale Kerstetter: I'm still on the fence on this classic UM story. Many think he was part of an inside job to steal from his job, however, there was the alleged masked intruder and his body was never found.The statute of limitations on this has long since passed. For his 'motive' to make any sense, he would have to have at least attempted to contact his family or pay off his debts of which he has done neither.

I seriously doubt anyone thinks Dale Kerstetter is still alive and I'm sure few still think he was involved.

2nd would be Angela Hammond. There really is nowhere to start with her - she could have been taken anywhere in the Missouri wilderness. It was shocking to see how poorly her bf has aged - he looks like hes about 65 and IIRC he just turned 40.

do you have a link where we can see his pic?

do you have a link where we can see his pic?

It was in the facebook thread last year, IIRC. He's old and grey looking with a beard. If you have facebook, just search his name there. He never moved away, he's still in MO.

It was in the facebook thread last year, IIRC. He's old and grey looking with a beard. If you have facebook, just search his name there. He never moved away, he's still in MO.

oh ok cool. I'll look it up. Maybe he has a guilty conscience and it aged him :eek:

oh ok cool. I'll look it up. Maybe he has a guilty conscience and it aged him :eek:

He didn't do anything, the police completely cleared him.

He didn't do anything, the police completely cleared him.

Yeah, you're right. It'll likely never get solved.

He didn't do anything, the police completely cleared him.
I think it's very likely he still feels guilt for not being able to save his girlfriend with how close he was behind the getaway car. Not saying he should feel guilty, but I wouldn't be surprised. Poor guy.

It's really hard to pick just one case to crack... the one that I seem to want cracked the most is the one I happen to be looking into at the moment... they're all just so interesting, because a good mystery is a good mystery.

There are definitely candidates though:

Tammy Leppert
DB Cooper
The Zodiac
Son of Sam (was there really more than one)
Russell Evans

It's so hard to pick... at the moment, I guess if I had to choose just one, it would be Tammy Leppert simply because I know her sister is still trying to get closure with her. So not only would it end the mystery but at least she could have closure with the case.

Unfortunately, all of these will probably never be solved... but I hope I'm wrong about that.

I've been thinking about Keith Warren a lot recently, and I really do wonder what could possibly have been going on behind the scenes of this one. It doesn't just stop with his murder, it goes beyond that.

The statute of limitations on this has long since passed. For his 'motive' to make any sense, he would have to have at least attempted to contact his family or pay off his debts of which he has done neither.

I seriously doubt anyone thinks Dale Kerstetter is still alive and I'm sure few still think he was involved.
I honestly think the police in Silver Springs had something to do with Keith Warren's death. The way they kept blowing off Keith's mother when she was trying to ask about his death is extremely suspicious. I believe Mark Finley was told to do away with Keith (with the help of at least one other person) and he was killed for knowing too much and for mentioning his involvement at the party he allegedly spilled the beans at. Somehow I think Keith stumbled upon some illegal activity involving law enforcement and he was murdered to keep him quiet about it.

I've been thinking about Keith Warren a lot recently, and I really do wonder what could possibly have been going on behind the scenes of this one. It doesn't just stop with his murder, it goes beyond that.

The statute of limitations on this has long since passed. For his 'motive' to make any sense, he would have to have at least attempted to contact his family or pay off his debts of which he has done neither.

I seriously doubt anyone thinks Dale Kerstetter is still alive and I'm sure few still think he was involved.

It would make no sense if you are involved in such a crime to start paying your debts, it would only bring suspicion to you. No criminal with keen insight and intelligence would rob a plant than start paying debts. In fact, most would keep a low profile. In addition, once you commit such a crime the last thing in your mind is to start paying debts. You would want to take your winnings and avoid public scrutiny.

The segment makes an issue about how Dale left a paycheck, cigarettes, and his vehicle. I regard these as innocuous clues in proving his innocence or guilt. If you are planning in stealing $250,000 Platinum than leaving those items behind become trivial. In fact, it’s an excellent ploy to steer the direction of the investigation to a foul play narrative. Once again, not proclaiming Dale’s guilt, but not buying that leaving those items is indicative of the foul play scenario.

Platinum is a very desired and exchangeable commodity anywhere around the world. Precious metals and jewelry can be bought and sold in the black market while pretty much going untraceable.

Most importantly, you reply fails to recognize the possibility that Dale was involved and than was murdered simply because his associates didn't want to divide the proceeds with him.

The SOL had long run out on Alex Cooper’s crime and he was still on the run. BTW, he also had no contact with his family. Just because the kids say there was no contact with him on a UM segment alone won't corroborate this claim. Even if the SOL runs out the authorities still will inquire about what happened to the platinum and information about the crime itself.

Kerslatter had been demoted in his job, and even was reduced to being called a “marginal employee” by his employer. I don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility that he was part of an inside job. No employee after so many years of service would take kindly to being demoted. The ‘motive’ may have not been just money, but some payback.

As for the masked intruder they had a cooperative Kerslatter leading them to the platinum, although not unprecedented, there was no need to kill him. After all, they were after the platinum and not Kerslatter. This is why the theory that he was killed after the culprits refused to share the profits with him is a plausible explanation. I don’t think they killed Kerslatter because they feared he could be a useful eyewitness with the mask on. The exception would be Kerslatter knew the culprit or recognized their voice. If Kerslatter did know the robber than I am also open to the fact that he was killed because he knew the criminal

Of course, as I said there is also the possibility that Kerslatter was totally innocent, and was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. The sophistication and knowledge of the inner-layout brings suspicion to an inside job, regardless if Kerslatter was involved or not. I always been 50-50 on this one.

Here is another thread on the topic:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=181799

Kurt Sova.

It would make no sense if you are involved in such a crime to start paying your debts, it would only bring suspicion to you. No criminal with keen insight and intelligence would rob a plant than start paying debts. In fact, most would keep a low profile. In addition, once you commit such a crime the last thing in your mind is to start paying debts. You would want to take your winnings and avoid public scrutiny.

The segment makes an issue about how Dale left a paycheck, cigarettes, and his vehicle. I regard these as innocuous clues in proving his innocence or guilt. If you are planning in stealing $250,000 Platinum than leaving those items behind become trivial. In fact, it’s an excellent ploy to steer the direction of the investigation to a foul play narrative. Once again, not proclaiming Dale’s guilt, but not buying that leaving those items is indicative of the foul play scenario.

Platinum is a very desired and exchangeable commodity anywhere around the world. Precious metals and jewelry can be bought and sold in the black market while pretty much going untraceable.

Most importantly, you reply fails to recognize the possibility that Dale was involved and than was murdered simply because his associates didn't want to divide the proceeds with him.

The SOL had long run out on Alex Cooper’s crime and he was still on the run. BTW, he also had no contact with his family. Just because the kids say there was no contact with him on a UM segment alone won't corroborate this claim. Even if the SOL runs out the authorities still will inquire about what happened to the platinum and information about the crime itself.

Kerslatter had been demoted in his job, and even was reduced to being called a “marginal employee” by his employer. I don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility that he was part of an inside job. No employee after so many years of service would take kindly to being demoted. The ‘motive’ may have not been just money, but some payback.

As for the masked intruder they had a cooperative Kerslatter leading them to the platinum, although not unprecedented, there was no need to kill him. After all, they were after the platinum and not Kerslatter. This is why the theory that he was killed after the culprits refused to share the profits with him is a plausible explanation. I don’t think they killed Kerslatter because they feared he could be a useful eyewitness with the mask on. The exception would be Kerslatter knew the culprit or recognized their voice. If Kerslatter did know the robber than I am also open to the fact that he was killed because he knew the criminal

Of course, as I said there is also the possibility that Kerslatter was totally innocent, and was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. The sophistication and knowledge of the inner-layout brings suspicion to an inside job, regardless if Kerslatter was involved or not. I always been 50-50 on this one.

Here is another thread on the topic:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=181799

Regardless of what Kerstetter allegedly hauled off with, the man would have taken his cigarettes. Period. I can honestly say I don't know of a single dedicated smoker that would leave behind an entire carton of cigarettes for any reason. Smokers take their cigarettes.

I've never understood why, if this was indeed an "inside job", the masked individual needed Kerstetter to lead him to anything in the plant. If there exists "sophistication and knowledge" of the plant's layout on this individual's part, what does he need Dale for? To help act out something for the security camera?

Regardless of what Kerstetter allegedly hauled off with, the man would have taken his cigarettes. Period. I can honestly say I don't know of a single dedicated smoker that would leave behind an entire carton of cigarettes for any reason. Smokers take their cigarettes.

I've never understood why, if this was indeed an "inside job", the masked individual needed Kerstetter to lead him to anything in the plant. If there exists "sophistication and knowledge" of the plant's layout on this individual's part, what does he need Dale for? To help act out something for the security camera?


Wouldn't that help steer the direction to the foul play narrative? BTW, how many of those smokers were allegedly about to embark in a $250,000 heist? This happened about 25 odd years ago--that amount of money is considerably higher today when factored in with inflation.

As for your second argument, ever heard the slogan "safety in numbers"? There could have been specific information about the internal security that only Dale knew. Most importantly, do you think is easier for one person or two people to carry that entire loot? The glass melting tank had to be dismantled in order to get the platinum and than the tank had to be rebuilt. That is something that Dale would have aided regardless if he was involved in the crime. We only saw once intruder in the plant, so it is safe to assume Dale helped dismantle the tank to get the platinum.

Wouldn't it be easier to have Dale help carry the platinum out of the plant? If there was a third person that may have stayed as a look-out. So i don't think IF Dale was involved that he was simply trying to act for an academy award. He may have actually helped in dismantling the tank and carrying the platinum.

The fact that Dale conspicuously looked at the camera was also a bit odd. Why would you not stay focused on what the robber has instructed you to do. Often robbers tell victims don't look at the cameras or don't set any alarms.

The whole case is a bit bizarre. The keys left in the ignition and an empty gun holster. Did Dale usually leave the keys in the ignition while it was parked? He had a high risk job and his weapon with a proper permit would be allowed on his job. Even in liberal states with tough gun laws there are exceptions made for high risk security jobs. Did Dale have his gun with him? I don't believe the gun was found.

BTW, none of my posts have eliminated the possibility that Dale was totally innocent. This is why the discussion is on this thread.

This is why i haven't called out any poster with their opinion or selection on this thread. A bit silly to impose my opinion on what someone chooses as a story they would like to know what actually happened. Because the fact remains this is an unsolved incident.

As for your second argument, ever heard the slogan "safety in numbers"? There could have been specific information about the internal security that only Dale knew.

An alleged "marginal employee" who is "not a happy camper" over being cut out of the shop and enduring a huge salary cut is given specific information about internal security for an entire glass plant? I don't readily see that. By all accounts, he was a night watchman, not a member of a trained security force.

Definitely Michael Rosenblum. That case has so many flubs, holes and cover-ups and no good answers as to how a young man ended up dead off of an embankment.

Kurt Sova was framed interestingly, but I think the explaination is actually pretty simple - he died of alchohol poisoning and the people at the party freaked out and didn't know what to do with his body for a few days.

No, if he died of alcohol poisoning then his metabolic processes would have ceased and he would have had higher than a 0.11% blood alcohol. Because of cessation of metabolic processes upon death, it would not matter if he died at the party and then was found 5 days later.

Also, this would not explain why Kurt was seen by a friend on the following Monday. Now, I know eye-witness accounts can be pretty unreliable. However, it is one thing for a stranger to think he saw Kurt, but it's an entirely different matter when a friend claims to have seen him. Because a friend isn't going by a general description and then thinks, "Oh I think I saw him", but instead a friend knows EXACTLY who the person is. Just as you would recognize a close friend of yours, I think a close friend of Kurt would recognize him too.

Also, it wouldn't explain the strange man at the record store. The police questioned him and determined he was just some weirdo. But then Kurt's body was found and the guy was never seen again. They would not have thought he was just some weirdo if his prediction actually had come true at the time of the police questioning him.

Furthermore, there was a witness (whose name I cannot recall) who said that she saw two men dragging what appeared to be an unconscious teenage boy into the ravine where Kurt was found. She said she even told that to the Sovas, who in turn reported that to the police. But the witness said that the police never interviewed her. In fact, the Kurt's mom said that the police didn't even touch base with a lot of people she told them about.

Apparently the lead investigator of the Kurt Sova case ended up in jail himself for other crimes and many feel that he really botched this case.

In short: I don't agree that Kurt Sova's case is simple. I do think there is a chance he was not killed intentionally though. But I think Kurt died of a drug over dose or drug interaction with drugs that the coroners did not test for. Also, we have to remember that in 1980, forensic science was not nearly as advanced as it is now.

No, if he died of alcohol poisoning then his metabolic processes would have ceased and he would have had higher than a 0.11% blood alcohol. Because of cessation of metabolic processes upon death, it would not matter if he died at the party and then was found 5 days later.

Also, this would not explain why Kurt was seen by a friend on the following Monday. Now, I know eye-witness accounts can be pretty unreliable. However, it is one thing for a stranger to think he saw Kurt, but it's an entirely different matter when a friend claims to have seen him. Because a friend isn't going by a general description and then thinks, "Oh I think I saw him", but instead a friend knows EXACTLY who the person is. Just as you would recognize a close friend of yours, I think a close friend of Kurt would recognize him too.

Also, it wouldn't explain the strange man at the record store. The police questioned him and determined he was just some weirdo. But then Kurt's body was found and the guy was never seen again. They would not have thought he was just some weirdo if his prediction actually had come true at the time of the police questioning him.

Furthermore, there was a witness (whose name I cannot recall) who said that she saw two men dragging what appeared to be an unconscious teenage boy into the ravine where Kurt was found. She said she even told that to the Sovas, who in turn reported that to the police. But the witness said that the police never interviewed her. In fact, the Kurt's mom said that the police didn't even touch base with a lot of people she told them about.

Apparently the lead investigator of the Kurt Sova case ended up in jail himself for other crimes and many feel that he really botched this case.

In short: I don't agree that Kurt Sova's case is simple. I do think there is a chance he was not killed intentionally though. But I think Kurt died of a drug over dose or drug interaction with drugs that the coroners did not test for. Also, we have to remember that in 1980, forensic science was not nearly as advanced as it is now.


He was probably in a coma for a few days before he died, that's how his BAC would have been lower when the autopsy and toxicology reports were performed. Someone else mentioned that there is a rare condition where people can't properly digest or get rid of large amounts of alcohol from their system upon ingestion and they die from it. I think it's very possible that this was what Kurt had.

They never said that David Trusnick, the eyewitness interviewed on UM, was a close friend or anything of that nature. He seemed to just be someone that grew up in the same Newburgh Heights/Slavic Village area as Kurt and had probably been more of an acquaintance than a close friend. He said he was driving to a job interview the day he supposedly saw him, so that likely means he was at least a couple years older than Kurt was. Also, it's possible he just wanted to believe he saw him but didn't really know for sure (and who knows, he might have just wanted some attention and to be on TV as well).

For me, it's the Sharon Marshall/Michael Hughes case. I want to know who she really was!

They never said that David Trusnick, the eyewitness interviewed on UM, was a close friend or anything of that nature. He seemed to just be someone that grew up in the same Newburgh Heights/Slavic Village area as Kurt and had probably been more of an acquaintance than a close friend.

Ok, Kurt being in a coma and then dying later might actually be pretty plausible. It would also make sense in them trying to cover up that there was a party to protect that woman.

As for David Trusnick, he claimed to have seen Kurt and was about to offer him a ride. I don't know about you, but when I see people I know walking on the road, I don't really go out of my way to try to offer them a ride if they are basically just acquaintances. Besides, the point would still remain. Even an acquaintance of Kurt knows exactly who he is. I have several acquaintances that if I were to see them on the road, I would know it was them. I would not mistake someone else for them. If this had been a random stranger who claimed to have seen Kurt, I could understand the mistaken identity a lot more.

However, with all of that said, there is still a possibility that it was not Kurt he saw. But I will say that Kurt going into an alcoholic coma is probably the best theory on this and makes a lot of sense if we ignore the crazy guy and the friend/eye witness sighting.

So do you have a theory about the crazy guy? Do you really think it was just a coincidence that he pretty much gave the exact date of when Kurt was going to be found dead and that they wouldn't know what killed him?

Another one I was thinking that I think really needs to get solved is Joyce Mclain's murder. It's been way too long and it still isn't solved.

But one of the reasons I think it really needs to be solved is that someone has vandalized her memorial and her grave site twice in recent years. I think that is so low to do in the first place. But to do that to the burial site of an unsolved murder victim who was murdered as such a young age is simply cruel.

Last time I heard detectives said that they are considering the possibility that these incidences of vandalism can be pretty significant, i.e. it could be the work of the killer. Or it could just be that her case had some attention in recent years because she was exhumed in 2008 to try to see if investigators could find any new evidence.

Also what puzzles me about this case is that when she was exhumed, apparently they found new evidence and things were looking promising. What that new evidence is, I have no idea and as far as I know, they never said. Another thing that puzzles me is that I've heard some claims that the police are pretty sure they know who murdered her. My only guess is that if this is true, the only reason they haven't done anything is because they lack evidence to be able to make an official arrest.

Either way, it is really said that this happened to her, that even with new evidence the case still isn't solved, and the most depressing thing about this is that someone is vandalizing her grave.

Right now the only 2 I got on my mind are Angela Hammond and Dale Kerstetter.

I read somewhere that Angela was 4 months pregnant. I'm not sure if that was in the initial story, but to me it gives me suspicion of the boyfriend. I'm not sure if the question has ever been raised. But witnesses saw the truck in question. My only thing is if witnesses had seen the truck, why hadn't witnesses saw the chase in the downtown area of the city? To me the pregnancy is a whole motive itself that raises a lot of questions.

As for Dale, I think he was an unwilling participant and was murdered somewhere else. I also find it odd that the platinum has ever turned up anywhere.

Ok, Kurt being in a coma and then dying later might actually be pretty plausible. It would also make sense in them trying to cover up that there was a party to protect that woman.

As for David Trusnick, he claimed to have seen Kurt and was about to offer him a ride. I don't know about you, but when I see people I know walking on the road, I don't really go out of my way to try to offer them a ride if they are basically just acquaintances. Besides, the point would still remain. Even an acquaintance of Kurt knows exactly who he is. I have several acquaintances that if I were to see them on the road, I would know it was them. I would not mistake someone else for them. If this had been a random stranger who claimed to have seen Kurt, I could understand the mistaken identity a lot more.

However, with all of that said, there is still a possibility that it was not Kurt he saw. But I will say that Kurt going into an alcoholic coma is probably the best theory on this and makes a lot of sense if we ignore the crazy guy and the friend/eye witness sighting.

So do you have a theory about the crazy guy? Do you really think it was just a coincidence that he pretty much gave the exact date of when Kurt was going to be found dead and that they wouldn't know what killed him?


I'm not sure. I can't remember: in the segment or newspaper article did they state that the "crazy/weirdo/wacko" guy's exact statements were, "See that picture of the boy over there? Well, you might as well take it down. He's gonna be found dead in two days and no one's gonna know what happened to him."?

If not, I would venture a guess that the guy was misquoted and that he might have said something more along the lines of, ("They'll probably find that guy dead in a couple of days or something."). That would leave open more of a possibility that it was a lucky guess with not much thought put into it rather than being someone with knowledge of what had transpired with Kurt.

If not, I would venture a guess that the guy was misquoted and that he might said something more along the lines of, ("They'll probably find that guy dead in a couple of days or something."). That would leave open more of a possibility that it was lucky guess with not much thought put into it rather than being someone with knowledge of what had transpired with Kurt.


I tend to agree.

I don't think, in all honesty, there is that much of a mystery with what happened in the Sova case. The poor kid drank to excess, he was put to bed at the party, died of alcohol poisoning, and the other party goers tried to cover it up. Even if a couple of people claim to have seen him afterward, that doesn't change my view - its common for witnesses to mix up dates and times

Case I'd like to see solved? All of them obviously, but top of the list is the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker - someone that evil, audacious and organised HAS to be brought to justice.

I tend to agree.

I don't think, in all honesty, there is that much of a mystery with what happened in the Sova case. The poor kid drank to excess, he was put to bed at the party, died of alcohol poisoning, and the other party goers tried to cover it up. Even if a couple of people claim to have seen him afterward, that doesn't change my view - its common for witnesses to mix up dates and times

Case I'd like to see solved? All of them obviously, but top of the list is the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker - someone that evil, audacious and organised HAS to be brought to justice.


The one thing that might be a mystery is if it were true that he had an unknown medical condition that did not allow him to extract alcohol from his body, what would that condition be or what it is called?

Also, how could the local law enforcement be so lazy in their investigation of his death? (but I guess that's not really a mystery: drug use, apathy, and overall corruption can make for some very poor police and detective work)

It was in the facebook thread last year, IIRC. He's old and grey looking with a beard. If you have facebook, just search his name there. He never moved away, he's still in MO.


You aren't kidding. I was shocked to see this. All you have to do is search his name and he pops right up. I'm not sure if that's bad life choices or stress or both.

Either way, I'd prefer to see this case solved and then probably a toss up between Chaim Weiss and Bryan Nisenfeld.

The one thing that might be a mystery is if it were true that he had an unknown medical condition that did not allow him to extract alcohol from his body, what would that condition be or what it is called?

I don't know of any specific disease or disorder names, but it would seem that a defective enzyme responsible for alcohol metabolism would be the culprit. For example, suppose the enzyme was responsible for converting ethanol molecules into some sort of normal metabolite in the body. A defective enzyme might convert them into a toxin. It would seem to me that the likelihood of this being congenital is extremely high. I wonder, then, if any of Kurt's brothers ever had an out-of-the-ordinary issue with alcohol consumption.

I personally feel Kurt's case may never be solved. My gut tells me he died from an unspecified illness due to the excessive drinking he had done and that the people who held the party for fear of prosecution are still lying to cover it up. I'm basing this because the autopsy had no physical findings of trauma. Kurt could have been diabetic or had a weak kidney. But I feel the sightings, the crazy guy, Franco, the detective who was convicted of a crime. All that does is add layers as to how a seemingly healthy teenager died from possible alcohol poisoning or the alcohol poisoning contributed to an unspecified illness. Sometimes the simplest answer doesn't hold equal weight to the mystery.

Yeah, I tend to think that the theory that he went into an alcoholic coma for a couple of days before actually dying seems pretty plausible.

This is of course if we ignore the sighting of him and the crazy guy at the record store. But as I've said before, it's one thing for a stranger to think he/she saw Kurt, but it's a completely different matter when someone who actually knows Kurt claims to have seen him. It's easy to mistake someone's identity if you're going by a single photo (as sometimes cameras do tricks to make a person not really look like how they normally do) or a general description. But for someone who knew him well enough to offer him a ride to make a mistake is a little harder to swallow.

And as for the guy at the record store, again, his claim is hard to dismiss. If he had simply said, "You see that kid? Don't bother he'll turn up dead" then that is general enough to dismiss. But the thing is he said that Kurt would be found dead in two days and they won't know what happened. That is way too specific to be written off.

Unfortunately, when the police had questioned the crazy guy, it was before they found Kurt's body, so they thought he was just insane. But after Kurt was found, apparently this guy was never seen again.

And then not to mention the strange coincidence: Eugene Kvet was an acquaintance of Kurt and he was also found in a ravine with his right shoe missing, just like with Kurt's case... and he was only 2.25 miles away from where Kurt died. It is possible that it is a coincidence as there are dissimilarities in the case (such as Eugene was show to have died by falling in the ravine while Kurt's death is a mystery).