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Mr. Television
01-31-2013, 02:21 PM
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Too-Much-TV-1060072.aspx


Today's News: Our Take
As More Networks Develop Series, Is There Too Much TV?
Michael Schneider
Jan 30, 2013 07:02 AM ET
by Michael Schneider


TV viewers have never had it so good — or maybe they have it too good. There's never been more original programming to navigate than at this very moment. Take Sunday nights: Even with the NFL season over, viewing options include The Good Wife (CBS), The Walking Dead (back Feb. 10 on AMC), Girls (HBO), Shameless (Showtime), Downton Abbey (PBS), Family Guy (Fox), Revenge (ABC) and Kourtney and Kim Take Miami (E!). And that's just in one timeslot: 9/8c.

That's a lot of DVR space being filled up week in and week out with must-see shows. "There's definitely more programming that I'm interested in watching than I can actually consume," says Showtime Entertainment president David Nevins.

According to FX Networks president John Landgraf, there were just 35 scripted shows on cable when The Shield premiered 11 years ago; now that number is up to 143. And it's only going to get more crowded, as additional networks get into the scripted series game. Discovery, Bravo, E! and Sundance Channel all have dramatic programming in the works, while A&E has unveiled ambitious plans to drop all acquisitions and run a 100 percent original primetime lineup.

Digital platforms such as Netflix, Amazon and Hulu are also debuting their own series, starting with Netflix's House of Cards, which premieres Feb. 1. "I think we're at the saturation point," Landgraf says.

The plethora of programming is also dramatically changing how viewers watch TV (via DVR, on demand and online viewing). In the 1971 TV Guide Magazine article "Why You Watch What You Watch When You Watch," NBC executive Paul Klein introduced the concept of "least objectionable program." He theorized that viewers actually found few programs truly satisfying; instead, audiences flipping around the dial settled for whatever they found least offensively bad.

Today, that concept is mostly obsolete. When a night like Sunday boasts close to a dozen high-quality and/or top-rated options, viewers have to choose which shows to watch live and which ones to time-shift. Viewers might also wait to binge later when entire series become available on DVD or Netflix.

"What will happen is you'll have so much scripted programming that it will make for an even bigger catch-up situation online or on DVR," says The CW president Mark Pedowitz. "It will further accelerate viewer habits changing."

Kevin Williamson, executive producer of The Vampire Diaries and The Following, says he has no problem with viewers watching his shows in this way. "I binge," he says. "Two nights ago I finally caught up on Go On. I had never seen it and now I've seen eight episodes in a row."

In a recent sketch teasing the age of the "spoiler alert," the IFC comedy Portlandia spoofed the idea that we're all watching too much TV — but not at the same time — so any discussion might reveal too many plot points and spoil it for someone else. (Watch the clip here.)

"At the risk of sounding like I'm ready for an AARP membership, there was a time not long ago when you could talk about a TV show after it aired, safe in the knowledge that those who didn't see the latest episode had few options for catching up in a different way," Tampa Bay Times media columnist Eric Deggans recently wrote. "But in a world filled with digital video recorders, online streaming services such as Hulu and Netflix, DVD releases and on-demand cable options, people can howl 'spoiler alert' when you try talking about a show that aired last year."

But even with so many platforms on which to watch, "there are only so many hours in the day," says Fox Entertainment chairman Kevin Reilly, who adds that viewers are telling programmers, "what you say is worth your time and what I may say are two different things." That means viewers must now be highly selective in making their TV playlist, and that's not a trend that's liable to reverse itself. "I do not believe there is any putting the genie back in the bottle," Reilly says.

In an effort to retain viewers, the broadcast networks are now experimenting with cable-like runs, which might help hold on to people unwilling to make yet another 22-episode series commitment. Fox's The Following, which will air just 15 episodes this season (per star Kevin Bacon's demand), opened with strong ratings. (The network also just announced development of several more limited-run programs.) CBS will employ the same model this summer with the 13-episode Stephen King/Steven Spielberg collaboration Under the Dome.

"We've broken the 22-episode pattern, which I think has been very taxing on the audience," Reilly says. "I think there's something to be said about limits. A big advantage that cable has been enjoying is the compact nature of storytelling, where there's a beginning, middle and end in sight. That keeps the audience very focused. They don't have to go, 'Oh my God, it's still on.' When people marathon shows months later, that can't be measured and monetized."

Bryan Fuller, the former executive producer of Pushing Daisies who is now behind NBC's upcoming 13-episode series Hannibal, says he'll never do a 22-episode show again. "The worst part about network TV is the amount of episodes," he says. "But that feels like it's also changing and adapting. With audience erosion it might actually make sense to have less shows and try to increase retention by limiting how much you're asking of the audience in terms of viewership."

Showtime's Nevins says he's concerned about making sure that his premium service has original programming every week of the year so that subscribers feel they're getting their money's worth. But he agrees that it's getting tougher to cut through the clutter. "Programming is an unlimited resource, but there's a limited amount of really high quality stuff," he says. "The more people that get into the game, the more the pressure is on to really distinguish yourself and be great."

Ironically, in an age of clutter, networks need more good original programming to survive. Already, services like Dish Network and Time Warner Cable are removing, or threatening to remove, small channels that aren't delivering their numbers. Time Warner recently removed Ovation and Current TV (soon to become Al Jazeera America) from its channel lineups.

Creating more original programming is also an economic decision: Even though it requires an increase in expenditures, successful cable networks can charge higher ad rates and demand better subscriber fees from cable and satellite providers. Plus, a full slate of original series can help boost ratings, says Michael Wright, head of programming for TNT and TBS. "The networks that are growing," he says, "are the ones that are offering original or exclusive content year round."

Still, with so much original programming competing for eyeballs, FX's Landgraf says a shakeout is inevitable. "It's just too tough and competitive a business," he says. "You need to find a niche that is underserved. I think we're going to see a lot of failure. Those companies that manage to raise the bar in terms of quality and marketing will continue to find success. But they won't all succeed."

AB
01-31-2013, 05:40 PM
Nice article. And there really is too much TV to watch but it's so nice to have that many choices.

mets82
01-31-2013, 10:12 PM
I can agree with most of that article. I can understand that there is way too much programming out there but its nice to have options. I still think that reality tv pushed the networks, at least the cable networks, to start having original or reality programming. Its not right because I dont mind having choices but theres too much oversaturation of reality tv which at a time, I thought was destroying scripted tv.

Regulus
01-31-2013, 11:25 PM
I don't like how they're reducing the amount of episodes. 13 Episodes used to be considered a Failure, full seasons ran 22 to 24 episodes in the 1970s (Much more -as many as 40 episodes in the 1950s). The February, May and November "Sweeps" Periods were a time for Blockbuster Movies and TV Specials, as well as what were considered the best episodes of the series. Now I guess the only time you see fresh episodes is during the "Sweeps". the rest of the time its reruns, and "Unscripted" replacements.

Mr. Television
01-31-2013, 11:37 PM
I think there is an awful lot of junk on television....mainly reality tv. There are some real good shows too. the only thing is you have to look for them. A lot of the best original series are on cable. I think the networks have really OD'd on reality because that's the only way they think they can compete. I don't really like the shorten season either. In the old days the only time repeats were on were mainly around the holidays.

OH Nuts!
02-01-2013, 01:40 AM
Oh my God YES, but the good part is there's something for everyone. I only have basic channels but that's enough for me, especially with You Tube. (Just got done watching a few eps of Donna Reed)

TVFactFan
02-01-2013, 07:19 PM
I think there is an awful lot of junk on television....mainly reality tv. There are some real good shows too. the only thing is you have to look for them. A lot of the best original series are on cable. I think the networks have really OD'd on reality because that's the only way they think they can compete. I don't really like the shorten season either. In the old days the only time repeats were on were mainly around the holidays.



That's what I hate now, repeats should only be seen during the holidays

MickeyMac
02-05-2013, 02:43 PM
In a word: YES

Tubehead
02-06-2013, 03:15 AM
i rember i used to wake up for certian cartoon shows kids don't know how good they have it today i do still watch some cartoons i still rember waiting unil satarday moring to watch cartoons now they got couple of cartoon chanels now now theirs bunches of reality tv my favoites are pawn stars storage wars and shark tank i don''t watch many comdies any more since their all drity i do enjoy the big bang theroy form time to time i quite watchingcomdeis siince the 1990's i grew up. i stille watch me t v like idream of jeannie the gloden girls boy meets world and i love lucy to name a few, i don't try watch to many comdies i do like the big bange theroy a lot.

Coffeecup
02-06-2013, 08:55 PM
I do watch tv, but as the years roll on by, I try to get out of the house more. Is it really all that great to sit night after night and watch tv. My social life has gone nowhere.

CommonTater
02-07-2013, 04:34 PM
I've found that lately I seldom watch TV anymore because there is nothing on worth watching. I watch 2 shows a week now, that's it!
If we could even get ONE channel by antenna for news and weather and IF my husband didn't want his sports channel, I'd cancel and save the money!

James28
03-10-2013, 03:01 PM
Exactly how many cable channels in the United States have launched at least one original scripted programme during its history?

ThomasE
03-10-2013, 03:56 PM
Well, it is all about competition now. The quality has seemed to fizzle out somewhere.

mets82
03-10-2013, 09:49 PM
The problem is with all this bundle and whatnot. I mean if you want to watch or like a station you have get all these other stations that you dont want. So now your stuck with channels you dont want. If you were able to pick your own channels, I dont think there would be too much tv but when there are multiple channels that you dont want, it seems like there is a lot of tv.

EmoJoe
03-10-2013, 11:17 PM
I don't like how they're reducing the amount of episodes. 13 Episodes used to be considered a Failure, full seasons ran 22 to 24 episodes in the 1970s (Much more -as many as 40 episodes in the 1950s). The February, May and November "Sweeps" Periods were a time for Blockbuster Movies and TV Specials, as well as what were considered the best episodes of the series. Now I guess the only time you see fresh episodes is during the "Sweeps". the rest of the time its reruns, and "Unscripted" replacements.
Full seasons are still 22 to 24 episodes for network TV. 13 episodes are half-seasons...just like they've always been.

Cable shows usually run 10-13 episodes because they have smaller budgets and need to minimize expenses.

MrCleveland
03-10-2013, 11:34 PM
I don't watch much TV like I used to...since I have hulu and netflix, I don't need cable...just the converter box and my PS3.

Neutronman67
03-11-2013, 03:55 PM
Yeah people like me watch too much TV, reality sucks in the real world we need entertainment to keep our minds happy lol

Steve_uk
03-11-2013, 11:05 PM
It's a shame for the children who are dumped by the television and given junk food to boot:how else are these creatures expected to turn out? In my day it was black and white(monochrome)television and not much of it;now children are transported in school buses to and fro and many lack the basic exercise we used to get. What an indictment of today's society that big business has taken over these two industries of media and food to the detriment of those whose brains are at an age where they need the most stimulus.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-194723/Kids-watch-TV-6-hours-day.html

Neutronman67
03-12-2013, 10:44 AM
Yeah thats how kids nowadays grow up to be crazy because of all the violence they watch on TV, if the kids are smart they would no that the stuff they watch on tv is fake and is all just acting.

James28
03-12-2013, 10:49 AM
Can we have too much original TV with all these basic cable channels airing original scripted series? This is a list of cable channels in the United States that have aired at least one original series throughout its existence:

Premiun Cable:
HBO
Cinemax
Showtime
Starz

Basic Cable:
A&E
ABC Family
AMC
BBC America
BET
Comedy Central
DirecTV
FX
IFC
Lifetime
MTV
ReelzChannel
Syfy
TBS
TNT
TVLand
USA
VH1

BBC America's series are first-run in the UK. Starz can't even get an original series to run past three seasons.

Yong Fang
03-14-2013, 03:27 AM
I live in China as an English teacher (I'm American). You Tube is blocked here, and HULU, the networks and most media outlets do not allow content to be streamed outside of the USA.

There is one English language website that I find a godsend, that has all my TV shows, so I have not missed out on anything. I watch all my shows without commercials and I am truly thankful for them, even though the website is skirting the laws by doing this.

They have a list of the last 350 shows that they posted, and most of the time, I cannot find one show that I have any interest in. Not one out of 350. My opinion, but one has to wade through a lot of junk to get to what I want to see.

Neutronman67
03-14-2013, 11:00 AM
Can we have too much original TV with all these basic cable channels airing original scripted series? This is a list of cable channels in the United States that have aired at least one original series throughout its existence:

No those channels are just fine

Mr. Drucker
03-14-2013, 11:34 AM
The problem really isn't too much tv,it's too many INDIVIDUALS that maybe are watching the tube and engaging in all the OTHER modern electronic gadgetry a bit much.I will say this though.For at least most of the people on a site like this almost strictly for tv sitcom diehards,I think we can almost all agree at least that there was a certain element of thrill in looking forward more to certain shows particularly from the 70's and before that no longer exists due to the fact that there's always so much more on tv now,there just seems to be always SOMETHING ON.It was actually a little more fun when you'd have to look ahead more for something you REALLY wanted to watch.It's that element of the having something to look forward to more often that is dismally absent today.For example,whenever one of your favorite movies came on,you just HAD to catch it!Nowadays,stations will show it back-to-back or later that day and in many cases,several times throughout the month,not to mention buying or renting the video or even possibly checking it out of your local library.Or maybe you'd get lucky and a theater that specialized in old movies might have screened it.But mostly,once you saw it,you didn't know WHEN you were going to see it again.Viva la 70's!!

MickeyMac
03-14-2013, 12:28 PM
Do we watch too much TV? In a word: YES

LUNCH
03-14-2013, 02:05 PM
As far as modern original programming goes,yeah there's a lot of it,but what good is it if most of it is junk.

Coffeecup
03-15-2013, 09:27 AM
I look at tv and all the stations that have movies and I find that is so much to see. It is so much different than watching tv in the 1960's. We had a dozen stations at the most and now there is 10 times as much. As I get older, the majority of shows of the past 20 years I have no interest to see. Probably we are geared to the age group of shows.

Neutronman67
03-15-2013, 11:19 AM
Yeah my theory on this subject is tv shows are crappy and full of junk nowadays its all about sex ,violence,peer pressure and its bad for the younger generation,tv was different 16 to 20 years ago their was always something fun to watch on almost every station.

waichingliu81
03-17-2013, 12:10 AM
i'd say yes but for me, the issue is quality and quantity- not enough quality tv shows and there is no diversity whatsoever. it's mainly reality and drama shows dominating schedules.

it's interesting that though we have over 100 channels, there are only a few shows worth tuning into. i don't watch much modern TV shows and mostly watch classics from the 70s to early 00s.

Neutronman67
03-17-2013, 01:27 PM
Yeah but nowadays there's hardly anything good to watch on TV because its mostly boring and creepy reality shows thank god us fans can watch our TVDVD seasons anytime we want on our own time.

Mr. Television
03-17-2013, 02:35 PM
Live tv is pretty much dead. Most of the current shows that I watch, I use the DVR for. That way I can make my own schedules. There is no way you can watch the best shows on one night like you used to be able to do. Too much reality crap on.

Adem422
03-17-2013, 05:42 PM
I agree with most of you but on the part of it being to much boring and reality crap and the drama's now a days are boring i mean ill say that the cbs and nbc are okay and abc and fox ones are just barely okay and the only ones i really like are on cable like usa network and abc family and well teennick when it was the-n but its earlier days when it was on the channel and maybe its first year or 2 when it when it became or 24 hour network but thats it and for sitcoms i mean can't stand the ones on network tv and keep in mind i was born in 1992 and the only good ones today in opinion is Malibu Country and The Big Bang Theory and thats it i mean i can't stand nbc and fox how they use the cameras that looks like its for dramas because it takes the feel of it being a sitcom and yea alot channels but to much crap and marathons that boring after awhile.

Adem422
03-17-2013, 05:57 PM
One more thing and sorry if i miss spelled alot stuff in the other post. I just wanted to say to the too much sex and violence and stuff on tv. Well if you notice on mid 70s to early 90s shows there was its fair share i mean here is a list of shows that did.

All In The Family : Same as The Facts Of Life but maybe alittle less Peer Pressure, Alot of racist and bigotry remarks.
The Facts Of Life : Light Sex talk for eduction of course unlike today, Alcohol, Peer Pressure, Violence for education unlike todays tv aswell
Three's Company : Alot of sexual reference's, Drugs, Big use of Alcohol
Good Times : Sex, Violence, Peer Pressure
Sanford And Son : Alot of Alcohol, Some racist and bigotry remarks
Diff'rent Stroke's : Same as The Facts Of Life

And even other shows had the same stuff like saved by the bell and full house and roseanne and family matters and even punky brewster and even some small stuff like this on who's the boss?

So yea it goes to show that alot of that kind of stuff was used back then but i understand mostly and for education but some also for alittle comedy but today they use for all comedy not really education at all but its still was used back then.

Neutronman67
03-18-2013, 10:26 AM
Most people dont watch tv anymore since TVDVDS are becoming more and more popular every year, i have my own list of shows i watch everyday on my DVD and Blu ray DVD player when i an not busy or working at my job.

Ant-Lox
03-22-2013, 08:25 AM
I have my own Hefty catalog of TV shows at my disposal on DVD, so I only watch local news now.

OH Nuts!
03-22-2013, 08:57 AM
I have my own Hefty catalog of TV shows at my disposal on DVD, so I only watch local news now.

That's pretty much me too. Between my store bought DVDs of shows, Antenna TV, and You Tube all I really seem to watch is the 10 or 11 o'clock news.

Mr. Drucker
03-22-2013, 10:20 AM
I can certainly and unequivocably state that there defintely is alot of uneccessary programming on MANY of these expanded stations.Some of the more interesting ones that boast many documentaries replay them over and over to absolute infinitum.Since last May or so,I've seen three or four separate shows about Charles Manson alone that just keep cropping nearly ceaselessly.And Adoph Hitler...don't even get me started!Then of course,there's C-SPan where the average everyday American can witness government lying and swindling first hand!Oh yeah,that's a treat?And NOBODY really needs the weather channel.Everone knows you'd probably get a much more accurate forecast from the local tv and radio statons.In other words,there isn't nearly as much variety on the tube as it probably appears.

Neutronman67
03-22-2013, 05:54 PM
I agree Mr. Drucker on that topic