I was doing some reseach on Joseph E. Duncan and it give me a idea about the Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman case. I am not saying Joseph E. Duncan is tied to this but it give me idea what could be the motive in this case. The case that Joseph E. Duncan is best know for where he he kill the parnets and brother of the kids he kidnaped. The motive in that case was simple he wantend the kids and killed anyone that got anyone that got into his way.

Maybe in this case Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman would the target of a serial killer and killed the Freemans to get them out of the way.

it a small Theory but it still somethinng

How many threads about this are there gonna be? Never really heard of this Duncan dude either.

How many threads about this are there gonna be? Never really heard of this Duncan dude either.

Google the Duncan dude. It was a huge national story for weeks. He slaughtered a family and abducted the two youngest children and then fled across the country.

It's a valid theory.

How many threads about this are there gonna be? Never really heard of this Duncan dude either.

Duncan was EVIL! He was already a serial killer and child rapist when in 2005, he murdered an entire family, including a 13 year old boy, just so he could abduct the youngest son and daughter and basically keep them as sex slaves.

He eventually killed the 9 year old boy. The 8 year old little girl was found alive, but obviously in bad shape, 2 months after her family had been killed. I think Duncan intended to kill her too but was caught before he could carry out those plans.

Duncan was EVIL! He was already a serial killer and child rapist when in 2005, he murdered an entire family, including a 13 year old boy, just so he could abduct the youngest son and daughter and basically keep them as sex slaves.

He eventually killed the 9 year old boy. The 8 year old little girl was found alive, but obviously in bad shape, 2 months after her family had been killed. I think Duncan intended to kill her too but was caught before he could carry out those plans.

Are you talking about the Groene family case? I remember that one.

Are you talking about the Groene family case? I remember that one.

Yep. I watched the news about it when it happened and when they were trying to find the kids but until I looked it up online, I didn't realize what a huge criminal past the abductor had. The whole case is so awful and unbelievably sad for that poor little girl to live through such a crime and lose her whole family.

he was ties to cold cases in ca and wa

maybe the girls themselves are the criminals?

i think that wa look into but rule out long time ago

maybe the girls themselves are the criminals?

They looked into that theory too. I don't know how far they would've gotten with Ashley's $4000 that she had been saving for a car.

[QUOTE=ctgrumpybear]I was doing some reseach on Joseph E. Duncan and it give me a idea about the Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman case. I am not saying Joseph E. Duncan is tied to this but it give me idea what could be the motive in this case. The case that Joseph E. Duncan is best know for where he he kill the parnets and brother of the kids he kidnaped. The motive in that case was simple he wantend the kids and killed anyone that got anyone that got into his way.

Maybe in this case Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman would the target of a serial killer and killed the Freemans to get them out of the way.

it a small Theory but it still somethinng[/QUOTE


I have no Idea what kind of research you have done.... Yes this Duncan guy was the worst of the worst. .. absolutely disgusting! Buuuuut a blow to your theory is he was locked up when this happened..... this is the research I found on 2 different sites about him. ..






At this point, he seems to have been living on the streets. Four months later, on August 27, 1997, Duncan was arrested by the FBI at his sister’s house *for a parole violation and sent to prison for three years.At the hearing for the parole violation, a Fargo, North Dakota doctor,*Dr. Richard Wacksman, testified that Duncan was not dangerous anymore and that upon his release, he could stay at Wacksman’s home in Fargo. The parole board disagreed and sent him away. Upon his release on July 21, 2000, he moved to Fargo, North Dakota, but it was not long before he started killing again.

These girls went missing I'm 99'..

Buuuuut a blow to your theory is he was locked up when this happened

But ctgrumpybear's theory was that the MOTIVE was the same (killing the parents in order to abduct the children), not that Duncan was involved.


I am not saying Joseph E. Duncan is tied to this but it give me idea what could be the motive in this case.

Bumping this up. I still can't believe it's been over 15 years.

I think it's very likely that this does have something to do with the drugs. If Danny was selling/buying, perhaps he enraged a dealer or customer, who then retaliated. Ashley's $4,000 was missing from the freezer. It's very possible that she may have told the killer(s) about the money to get them to leave or possibly not harm anyone in the house. But, of course, that didn't help stop anything. I think this is the most probable reason for the money being gone, short of the killer(s) ransacking the entire house first.

I think it has something to do with Danny and his drug issues. I think whoever burned their trailer and killed them did something to the girls. Maybe they saw too much and took them hostage at first then killed them somewhere in Oklahoma rural area.

The psychic Sylvia Browne once told Lorene Bible that same thing. According to Browne, Danny Freeman was involved in drugs and owed someone a lot of money. That person broke into the Freeman trailer, murdered Danny and Kathy, stole the $4000 from the freezer, and abducted the girls, eventually killing them and dumping their bodies near the Oklahoma/Texas border.

I know this is Sylvia Browne we're talking about and that not everything she says is true, BUT it's something to think about.

Just saw this case on Amazon,my first thought is the reason the girls were not killed with the parents is someone(Ie either someone the dad knew from the drug trade or someone with the local sheriffs) sold them off into sexual slavery.

The drug angle makes the most sense.

There's no way the girls would have killed the parents and then left all the money in the purse and the car behind, and then still be out there after all these years.

Maybe sex slavery, but I think it's more likely that they were just raped and killed after the fire by whoever committed the murders and were dumped somewhere.

Just watched this again today and got me wondering. Could they possible have missed the girls bodies? I mean they missed Danny Freeman's and he was not very far down. If the girls were buried under the ruble maybe they were missed too. There obviously wasn't a very thorough search done.

They'd have surfaced by now in that spot if that was the case though.

Just watched this again today and got me wondering. Could they possible have missed the girls bodies? I mean they missed Danny Freeman's and he was not very far down. If the girls were buried under the ruble maybe they were missed too. There obviously wasn't a very thorough search done.

I’ve often wondered about that myself. If the remaining debris was not searched thoroughly after finding the dad’s body, it is theoretically possible. Although I would hope that after missing a body the first time they would be in there on their hands and knees sitting through with slotted spoons and lint rollers searching for anything else, but who knows?

If the girls bodies were missed it is also possible that the remaining debris was just bulldozed and/or shoveled up and hauled off to a land fill. In which case we might never know.

However, my theory has been it was probably connected to the drugs. Money was owed so the parents were killed and the daughters taken as some sick form of payment.

Whatever happened though, I sure hope it was over quick for the girls and they didn’t have to suffer too much. Very sad case all around.

Just watched this again today and got me wondering. Could they possible have missed the girls bodies? I mean they missed Danny Freeman's and he was not very far down. If the girls were buried under the ruble maybe they were missed too. There obviously wasn't a very thorough search done.

I’ve often wondered about that myself. If the remaining debris was not searched thoroughly after finding the dad’s body, it is theoretically possible. Although I would hope that after missing a body the first time they would be in there on their hands and knees sitting through with slotted spoons and lint rollers searching for anything else, but who knows?

If the girls bodies were missed it is also possible that the remaining debris was just bulldozed and/or shoveled up and hauled off to a land fill. In which case we might never know.

However, my theory has been it was probably connected to the drugs. Money was owed so the parents were killed and the daughters taken as some sick form of payment.

Whatever happened though, I sure hope it was over quick for the girls and they didn’t have to suffer too much. Very sad case all around.

Good thinking.