The following interview, done earlier this year, in the link I've posted, is of an interview with an author who has done a LOT of research into a serial killer named Larry Hall. Hall killed women who were very similar to Angela in age, build, hair color and body type; He killed in almost every Midwestern state and was operating from 1981 to 1994 before he was captured. His MO was VERY VERY similar to the MO used by Angela's abductor--He would stalk and target women in desolate areas and snatch them up, and he is an organized serial killer who also has attributes of a disorganized killer. He's believed to be responsible for up to 40 murders of young women. He was a dirty looking man with a beard and mustache.
http://www.cnn.com/video/crime/2011/07/01/baldwin.to.catch.a.serial.killer.cnn.576x324.jpg

The author and Hall have been in corespondence for a long time and Hall is considered a strong suspect in the case of the Springfield Three. He and his brother Gary are known to have been in the area in the Spring of '92, as he has admitted to having five bodies buried in Mark Twain Forest in Missouri...He has claimed three of the women buried were from Springfield, MO, and the other two women are from small towns in MO, the names of which he did not recall.

Apparently, the Clinton, MO police have discounted the idea that Angela's abductor drove a pick up truck, and they even have a sketch of her probable killer--which came as a shock to me. The sketch happens to look eerily like Larry Hall's own mugshot.

Btw I should probably come out with this. I was a member here from 2010 to earlier this year. My name was CuriousMind90 and I made a number of posts here about the Hammond case and others. I couldn't access the email which I'd used to register the account anymore, so I made a new one.

The interview is here. If you've any interest in the Springfield Three or Cheryl Ann Kenney or Angela Hammond's cases, it will make for very interesting reading.
http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=174

To my knowledge, they still have DNA evidence they collected from the phone booth that Angela Hammond was abducted from before they remodeled the whole area years later. If they can test that against Larry Hall, then her case might be blown open.

That would be quite a breakthrough if they can match that DNA they collected from the Angela Hammond case to this guy.

Many of us that frequent this site know that this is one of the most-discussed cases on here.

If Larry Hall used vans to abduct his victims, I don't think he's responsible for Angela's abduction. Both Rob, Angela, and other witnesses reported a pickup truck seen near the phone booth where Angela was abducted.

If Larry Hall used vans to abduct his victims, I don't think he's responsible for Angela's abduction. Both Rob, Angela, and other witnesses reported a pickup truck seen near the phone booth where Angela was abducted.

According to the interview, Clinton Police have discounted the pickup truck story. And if you read the interview, Hall had help in committing his murders, possibly sometimes from his brother and even perhaps other accomplices who are at large. Remember, he traveled all over the place. He might not have been using HIS car that particular night.

In my mind, there are only 4 possibilities as to who Angela Hammond's murderer was at this point which we can narrow it down to:

1) Larry Hall (perhaps with an accomplice). Hall operated in the Midwest including Missouri in the early 1990s and targeted women who resembled Angela. He was a thrill or lust killer, using sexual violence against his victims before murdering them. He was able to navigate many of these back alley, backwater areas due to extensive travelling. He was a mixed Serial Killer with Organized and Disorganized traits. His MO is quite similar to that of the man Angela met at the Phone Booth. Knows a great deal about Missouri and claims to have 5 bodies buried in Missouri's Mark Twain Forest. Three of them from Springfield, MO; Two from small towns which he can't remember the name of. Hall resembled Angela's description.

2) Marvin Chaney and Jesse Rush (and possibly accomplishes 'Parel' and Greg Marshel), two serial killers who were operating in the MO area in 1991 and who confessed to the murder of Trudy Darby and were apparently involved in three other murders for which they were not charged due to lack of evidence. They used a barn as the setting for torturing, raping and murdering the women they abducted and disposed of the bodies by burning. Their associate Marshel burned the barn down for them, erasing any evidence. Chaney had a beard and resembled the man Angela described. Like Hall, the brothers and their associate had a similar MO in their killings to that of Angie's killer.

3) Kenneth McDuff. His MO was very similar and it is unclear where exactly he was in April 1991. He has long been listed as a possibility.

4) An unknown, someone whose name is STILL not known to us, or who is known for other murders but whose name still hasn't been connected with Angela's. I believe this to be the least likely option.

I believe that between Hall, Chaney and Rush you probably have the killers of Angela Hammond, Trudy Darby, Cheryl Ann Kenney, and the Springfield Three and possibly several other murders and disappearances in Missouri in the period from the late 1980s through mid 1990s.

Missouri and the Midwest seem filled to the brim with serial murderers who all had similar MOs in this period. Creepy.

I thought they ruled out Darby's killers in Angela's case? Kenneth McDuff is a likely possibility but he was executed in 1998 so I don't know how else they'd go about finding a connection other than DNA testing. I still thinking testing the DNA from the Hammond crime scene against Larry Hall would be their best bet at the moment.

According to the interview, Clinton Police have discounted the pickup truck story.

I don't know how accurate that article is, but that totally goes against what Rob Shaffer and multiple other witnesses have stated. They all agree that Angela was taken or being stalked by a guy driving a dirty pick up truck.

I don't know how accurate that article is, but that totally goes against what Rob Shaffer and multiple other witnesses have stated. They all agree that Angela was taken or being stalked by a guy driving a dirty pick up truck.


Who were the multiple other witnesses?

I thought Rob was the only one who supposedly witnessed this pick-up truck and tried to chase it down.

If detectives there are now ruling out the pick-up truck theory, then maybe that means that Rob was lying/making that story up all along and that he might actually be responsible for Angela Hammond's disappearance.

Who were the multiple other witnesses?

I thought Rob was the only one who supposedly witnessed this pick-up truck and tried to chase it down.

If detectives there are now ruling out the pick-up truck theory, then maybe that means that Rob was lying/making that story up all along and that he might actually be responsible for Angela Hammond's disappearance.

Quote from that article: "He then said they had pretty much discounted the pickup truck theory".

Now, this is secondhand information at best. Who knows what the investigator actually told this person. That said, if it is true, it is very interesting. The pick-up truck seemed to be quite central to the whole story as presented on UM, given the very specific description of it given by the boyfriend. IIRC, according to the boyfriend, Angela also described the truck to him while they were on the phone. Nonetheless, as far as I know, there is nothing to verify the claim that the investigator has discounted the pick-up truck theory, so I'm taking that with a large grain of salt.

Who were the multiple other witnesses?

I thought Rob was the only one who supposedly witnessed this pick-up truck and tried to chase it down.

If detectives there are now ruling out the pick-up truck theory, then maybe that means that Rob was lying/making that story up all along and that he might actually be responsible for Angela Hammond's disappearance.

I really hope this doesn't turn into another "Rob did it vs. no Rob didn't" thread.

The Charley Project website, along with several newspaper articles written at the time of Angela's disappearance say there were "several witnesses" who placed a man (who fitted Angela's description she gave to Rob over the phone) in the convenience store parking lot who was driving a green pickup truck.

I brought up Larry Hall as a suspect myself a couple of years ago in a thread. I did then and still believe he could be a strong suspect in Angela's abduction and probable murder.

Even if the pickup truck story is true, it doesn't discount Hall. He was known to drive and procure various older vehicles.

I brought up Larry Hall as a suspect myself a couple of years ago in a thread. I did then and still believe he could be a strong suspect in Angela's abduction and probable murder.

Even if the pickup truck story is true, it doesn't discount Hall. He was known to drive and procure various older vehicles.

Would be nice if he was in that the case could finally have closure, especially if Angie is one of the five women buried in Mark Twain Forest. If he gives up the exact location, like he says he will if given immunity, she could be given a proper burial and her family could finally have closure.

I refuse to believe that a good chunk of America's serial killers happened to converge in Missouri and the midwest in general in 1991/1992 and that the guy is still totally unknown. I believe firmly that between Chaney, Rush and Hall, one of those three is Angie's killer.

What really confuses me is that police initially thought that the abductions of Angela, Trudy Darby, and Cheryl Kenney were all related yet when they found out who murdered Trudy Darby (Rush and Cheney) all of a sudden they do a 180 and rule them out in the Hammond and Kenney case?! It's weird.

What really confuses me is that police initially thought that the abductions of Angela, Trudy Darby, and Cheryl Kenney were all related yet when they found out who murdered Trudy Darby (Rush and Cheney) all of a sudden they do a 180 and rule them out in the Hammond and Kenney case?! It's weird.


Maybe it was just wishful thinking on their part (one perpetrator, not as much work).

Maybe it was just wishful thinking on their part (one perpetrator, not as much work).

I believe the investigators were pretty adamant that Angela Hammond's case was not related to Trudy Darby. That's what's so confusing to me. At first their were adamant that it was, now they're saying it's not.

They might have been trying to "save face".

And maybe in the beginning, they just went on the basis of an assumption. "Hmm, similar disappearance not too far away around the same time, probably same guy(s)", without any real evidence outside of just assuming because of the timing, MO and whatnot that the same people or group was responsible for both disappearances. The Clinton PD in those days may not have been the best funded or been the best staffed in 1991. And I don't think the FBI ever got involved with either the Darby or Hammond disappearance. Local PDs, especially in tiny towns like Clinton, could make mistakes and just assume.

It still strikes me as weird that at least 3-6 serial killers were "hunting" in the Missouri area during the late '80s/early '90s. They say at any given moment there are about 30 serial killers nationwide. That so many would be in one region of the country in a small period of time is incredibly weird.

I know a guy like Hall probably has no soul, but since I am assuming he is in jail for his many other crimes what is stopping him from confessing to Angela's disappearance? Surely he would have remembered a highly publicized case like this and said "Oh yeah, I remember that one, got a break there." Why not just admit to the murder and give the family some closure?

I know a guy like Hall probably has no soul, but since I am assuming he is in jail for his many other crimes what is stopping him from confessing to Angela's disappearance? Surely he would have remembered a highly publicized case like this and said "Oh yeah, I remember that one, got a break there." Why not just admit to the murder and give the family some closure?

From what I understand, Hall supposedly doesn't remember a lot of his crimes to well, its been speculated that he killed in an altered state. I don't really buy it, I have always been dubious about the altered state theory, to me its just something used by killers to try to deflect some responsibility for the crimes they commit. But its possible.

His case is strange, mostly because he has never actually been convicted f murder, he is serving life in North Carolina for a Federal kidnapping charge. But it is belived he was involved in a number of murders.

Hall's resemblance to the abductor and the fact that Angela Hammond resembles his victims is very telling, only thing precluding him is the fact that he was never known to own a pickup truck. I don't think is a deal breaker though.

I hope this is the solution, because Hall has expressed remorse for his crimes and there is always a chance if it was him he could give Angela's family closure.

This may shed some light on the whole thing:
http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=174

It is unclear whether or not Hall has been directly questioned in Angela Hammond's dissappearance, or many of the murders he's been suspected of.

Hall's resemblance to the abductor and the fact that Angela Hammond resembles his victims is very telling, only thing precluding him is the fact that he was never known to own a pickup truck. I don't think is a deal breaker though.


Just really strange that the only two people who claim it was a pick up truck were Angela and then Rob from second hand information. Yes I know other "eyewitnesses" saw a truck, but we all know it isn't always the most reliable method. Is it possible there have been rabbit holes chased this entire time?

Just really strange that the only two people who claim it was a pick up truck were Angela and then Rob from second hand information. Yes I know other "eyewitnesses" saw a truck, but we all know it isn't always the most reliable method. Is it possible there have been rabbit holes chased this entire time?

The whole abduction story has never made any sense...

Why would Angela go to payphone at midnight when she could have just drove down the street to Rob's house?

Why would Angela stay at the payphone for several minutes describing the creepy man and his truck in great detail, giving Rob moment by moment updates on what the man was doing?

How could Rob have heard Angela scream his name while he and the truck passed each other at such high speeds?

It seems the main reason people believe the abduction story is because Rob appears distraught in his interviews and his friends and family believe him. If you simply read about the case and take away Rob's video interview, the story is a lot harder to swallow.

Then again, Rob was heard talking on the phone at the time of the alleged abduction, and apparently ran off the toilet with his pants halfway down to chase after Angela...

Several articles say Angela was pregnant at the time of her disappearance, and Rob was NOT the father... yet UM didn't mention any of this. Who knows what else was going on in Angela's personal life... Is it possible Angela set this whole thing up and ran off to start a new life with another man?

Such incidents are rare, but if Rob truly isn't involved, it's the only way his story makes sense IMO.

I dont put much stock in eye witnesses either. The Lil Miss Lisa Marie Kimmel segment on UM is a great example. You even have a little old lady swearing up and down that she saw Lisa's vanity plate, and it made her curious, so she INTENTIONALLY got a good look at the driver and it was DEFINITELY Lisa... Turns out the woman lied through her teeth! False sightings and witnesses are a dime a dozen...

I dont put much stock in eye witnesses either. The Lil Miss Lisa Marie Kimmel segment on UM is a great example. You even have a little old lady swearing up and down that she saw Lisa's vanity plate, and it made her curious, so she INTENTIONALLY got a good look at the driver and it was DEFINITELY Lisa... Turns out the woman lied through her teeth! False sightings and witnesses are a dime a dozen...

I totally believe this person saw Lisa. I just think she had her timeframes messed up.

...and I've already said my piece on Rob. Dude didn't do it. He's been cleared. Someone once said Kenneth McDuff may have killed her. I think it's an excellent theory.

I didn't say Rob did it. I said I wonder if Angela set him up and ran off with the man she was pregnant by.


I'm sure phone records verified there was a payphone call. And again, Rob was seen running off the toilet with his pants down to chase after Angela. I don't think he was clever enough to fake a detail like that!

Sorry if my wording was confusing in my original post :)

I didn't say Rob did it. I said I wonder if Angela set him up and ran off with the man she was pregnant by.


I'm sure phone records verified there was a payphone call. And again, Rob was seen running off the toilet with his pants down to chase after Angela. I don't think he was clever enough to fake a detail like that!

Sorry if my wording was confusing in my original post :)

My bad. I've defended Rob on these boards for almost a decade now... I am probably a bit hypersensitive to it. :)

The idea that Angela staged her own disappearance is interesting, but it doesn't account for Rob's transmission blowing. I've replayed that scenario in my head multiple times. I strongly believe had Rob not shredded his transmission, he would have caught up with Angela in the pickup.

My bad. I've defended Rob on these boards for almost a decade now... I am probably a bit hypersensitive to it. :)

The idea that Angela staged her own disappearance is interesting, but it doesn't account for Rob's transmission blowing. I've replayed that scenario in my head multiple times. I strongly believe had Rob not shredded his transmission, he would have caught up with Angela in the pickup.

Even if he caught up, what could he do? There are lots of ways the guy could have gotten away still. Without a plan or backup the results would have been the same. I think IF he had caught up with them he'd just be living with a different IF ONLY all these years.

I don't think she staged her disappearance anymore than I think he did it, btw. That's an awful lot of trouble to go for something she could have just broken up with him and they would have moved on and she wouldn't have to leave her entire life behind. Why would she choose to have her child never meet her family? Just doesn't make sense.

I have never heard if the police verified the blown transmission in the vehicle? I imagine he had to leave it on the street. But I've never heard if the police found it on the street where it died and subsequently verified that it was inoperable.

I have never heard if the police verified the blown transmission in the vehicle? I imagine he had to leave it on the street. But I've never heard if the police found it on the street where it died and subsequently verified that it was inoperable.

They did...

...The pursuit continued for approximately two miles before Rob’s transmission malfunctioned when he made a right turn, resulting in the vehicle stalling in the middle of the road, as the truck with the woman in tow quickly faded out of view.

Unfortunately, Rob had no choice but to walk back to town. Luckily, a passing motorist noticed him and picked him up and Rob asked to be taken to the police station so he could notify them of what just transpired. He arrived at the department just shy over midnight and reported the incident.

Initially, the police were skeptical of Rob’s story, believing it seemed too contrived and convenient. Nevertheless, as they began their investigation they uncovered Rob’s vehicle undrivable in the middle of the street.

https://truecrimearticles.com/2018/04/18/the-mysterious-abduction-of-angela-hammond/

Thank you for that. That, to me at least, eliminates him as a suspect in my eyes.

Thank you for that. That, to me at least, eliminates him as a suspect in my eyes.

She was kidnapped by a stranger.

Wait what about a toilet?

Rob was using the toilet when Angela called him from the payphone.

Sadly, the only way I see this case being solved now is if someone confesses, perhaps an inmate in prison for something else with nothing to lose like with Cary Lynn Nixon's abductor/killer. To much time has passed and there is just not enough evidence out there to really nail someone after all this time like there was with EAR, or Jay Cook/Tanya Van Cylonborg's killer. Wherever Angela's remains are assuming they still exist, they would be at best be nothing but bone fragments now. Unless they are found on someone's property, it would be extremely unlikely anyone would be linked to her death, even with the amazing things forensics can do today it would still be the longest of long shots.


And because of the abductor's shabby appearance and only a secondhand description of him available, its difficult to even guess how old he would be. He could have easily been either younger or older than what he appeared. I've heard everything from witnesses saying he was in his 30's to as old as his 60's. Just no way of knowing. We know virtually nothing about him. At this point the best case scenario is that he is incarcerated for another crime and at some point confesses, but he would only do so if he was in prison for life already and had nothing to lose. He could even be deceased now, in which case I think this will likely never be solved. Hopefully, I'm wrong.

I think I hear a Peter Gabriel song at the beginning of the segment when they're in the car?

Quote from that article: "He then said they had pretty much discounted the pickup truck theory".

Now, this is secondhand information at best. Who knows what the investigator actually told this person. That said, if it is true, it is very interesting. The pick-up truck seemed to be quite central to the whole story as presented on UM, given the very specific description of it given by the boyfriend. IIRC, according to the boyfriend, Angela also described the truck to him while they were on the phone. Nonetheless, as far as I know, there is nothing to verify the claim that the investigator has discounted the pick-up truck theory, so I'm taking that with a large grain of salt.

How can they discount the "pickup truck" when multiple witnesses had seen it. Also Angela described the truck to rob.

How can they discount the "pickup truck" when multiple witnesses had seen it. Also Angela described the truck to rob.

That is EXACTLY what I was going to say. Angela herself described what the guy's car looked like. She should know.

I wonder if the “discounting” the truck is being taken out of context. Perhaps LE was saying that they no longer consider it a lead believing that it may have been stolen in the first place? Just a thought and it would be odd to word it that way, but I could see it.

If they have DNA from the phone booth, I’m curious what it was. Surely they couldn’t confirm something like a hair sample from a phone booth. Even a terrible defense lawyer who is drunk and asleep could argue out of that. Hopefully it is something more damning such as blood from a struggle with Angie.

If they could cross reference that with a geneology dna database that is probably the best bet to solve this case today. Short of a full blown confession that is, which seems unlikely.

I wonder if the “discounting” the truck is being taken out of context. Perhaps LE was saying that they no longer consider it a lead believing that it may have been stolen in the first place? Just a thought and it would be odd to word it that way, but I could see it.

If they have DNA from the phone booth, I’m curious what it was. Surely they couldn’t confirm something like a hair sample from a phone booth. Even a terrible defense lawyer who is drunk and asleep could argue out of that. Hopefully it is something more damning such as blood from a struggle with Angie.

If they could cross reference that with a geneology dna database that is probably the best bet to solve this case today. Short of a full blown confession that is, which seems unlikely.


I have very little faith it will ever be solved. I still say the police bungles the investigation and assumed rob was the suspect. By the time they realized he was telling the truth, valuable time had been wasted. They claimed to have some evidence what like 8 years ago ? I knew they were full of it then. Many many people used pay phones back then . There is probably 50 or more people's DNA on that pay phone

Keep this in mind regarding the guys convicted of killing Trudy Darby. Jess Rush told people they killed other women. In fact, prosecutors threatened defense attorneys that if they did not take plea deal, they could be charged with other murders. They took the deal. They will not be charged. Murders of Kenny and Hammond won't be solved. I'm sure you can put two and two together here.

I just got done watching the murdertown episode on Trudy Darby. First off the police involved in this case reacted just as they should have. They alerted all surrounding jurisdictions within minutes and had road blocks set up. As the investigator stated, " if you were out in a vehicle that night in this area you got stopped". It actually turns out the police did stop Chaney and Rush after they had dumped Trudy in the river. The police had no description of perpatraitors or their vehicle so they had no reason to hold them. If the Clinton police, who actually had descriptions of the vehicle and perp in the Angela Hammond abduction would have reacted this way, Angela most likely would have been saved. The Clinton police reaction was to wait five hours to put out any kind of alert to other departments. Giving Angela no chance to survive.

We have talked on here a lot about the other men involved with Chaney and rush. This was covered in the episode. The investigator states there was no third man in the car when chAney and rush were stopped. He also stated they never had enough evidence to charge a third man. Rush had no problem spilling the beans on his half brother so I still don't get how they couldn't get him to give up the details on the others involved.

At the end of the segment the lead investigator (Jimmy Mays) as well as the Camden police state that they have no doubts that Chaney and rush are both responsible for the deaths of Angela Hammond and Cheryl Kinney. There is one scene where Jess RUsh letters are being read aloud. He wrote that they disposed of one girl in Truman lake. Truman Lake is in Clinton Missouri. Not far from where Angela was taken.

I have very little faith it will ever be solved. I still say the police bungles the investigation and assumed rob was the suspect. By the time they realized he was telling the truth, valuable time had been wasted. They claimed to have some evidence what like 8 years ago ? I knew they were full of it then. Many many people used pay phones back then . There is probably 50 or more people's DNA on that pay phone

Pretty much my feelings on it. To much time has passed and to little evidence.

I guess this case is a hard pill for people to swallow because it was a textbook example of the bad guy winning. After eluding Rob he disappeared off the face of the Earth with Angela and was never seen again. The dude was either really smart or really lucky one of the two. As far as I know no meaningful leads ever turned up. No truck, no rumors about someone bragging about the abduction and murder, no remains, no similar crimes (Unless you think he might have been involved with Cheryl Ann Kenney which is possible but nothing concrete to connect them), nothing. In that way it reminds me a lot of the black truck case in Connecticut, dude did the dirty deed then disappeared off the face of the Earth. Frustrating and maddening cases for sure.

I just pray for a miracle than Angie's family can find closure, maybe at least her remains might be found. After almost thirty years, pretty unlikely though.

After eluding Rob he disappeared off the face of the Earth with Angela and was never seen again. The dude was either really smart or really lucky one of the two. As far as I know no meaningful leads ever turned up. No truck, no rumors about someone bragging about the abduction and murder, no remains, no similar crimes (Unless you think he might have been involved with Cheryl Ann Kenney which is possible but nothing concrete to connect them), nothing.

and none of this makes you question Rob?

and none of this makes you question Rob?
Rob was cleared. The transmission was verified as bad in the broken down car. Phone records showed he received the call.

Rob was cleared. The transmission was verified as bad in the broken down car. Phone records showed he received the call.
While I certainly agree that Rob almost certainly didn't do it I am always puzzled as to why so many people are so quick to jump to his defence. Is it because he is apparently good looking and not creepy? Is it because he was very well spoken?

The fact such a clearly identifable truck was not found in such a small city and she was pregnant (and they were both not ready for a family) are two very strong pieces of evidence Rob's story doesn't add up: people have been sent to prison for far less. Makes you wonder how easily literally any innocent family member in that situation could be accused of a crime.

Rob was cleared. The transmission was verified as bad in the broken down car. Phone records showed he received the call.

None of this means anything. He was only "cleared" because they couldn't find anything, didn't mean he didn't do it. His car could've broken down after he hid her body and he used his bad transmission as part of his "story". Him receiving the call doesn't equate to hearing what was said. They could've gotten into a fight over the phone and he went to see her in person and it could've turned physical.

While I certainly agree that Rob almost certainly didn't do it I am always puzzled as to why so many people are so quick to jump to his defence. Is it because he is apparently good looking and not creepy? Is it because he was very well spoken?

The fact such a clearly identifable truck was not found in such a small city and she was pregnant (and they were both not ready for a family) are two very strong pieces of evidence Rob's story doesn't add up: people have been sent to prison for far less. Makes you wonder how easily literally any innocent family member in that situation could be accused of a crime.

It's the Jeffrey Macdonald effect. Stick a sobbing, obviously guilty, mildly attractive man infront of a camera with crocodile tears and people are going to rush out and say he's innocent despite a BS story.

If Rob was anyone else everyone on this board would be shouting guilty. He was the last one who had talked to her, add in his sensationalized BS Hollywood "almost had her" story and no one would buy it.

Makes you wonder if Rob and Jeffrey were overweight and unattractive how would the public perceive them?

The whole overweight and unattractive vs thin and attractive sounds like nothing more than bitterness.

The whole overweight and unattractive vs thin and attractive sounds like nothing more than bitterness.

Then ignore that and prove the rest of my logic wrong if you can.

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Then ignore that and prove the rest of my logic wrong if you can.
"Logic"? Too easy...... I'm moving on........

"Logic"? Too easy...... I'm moving on........

Yeah, I figured you couldn't. Toodles.

While I certainly agree that Rob almost certainly didn't do it I am always puzzled as to why so many people are so quick to jump to his defence. Is it because he is apparently good looking and not creepy? Is it because he was very well spoken?

The fact such a clearly identifable truck was not found in such a small city and she was pregnant (and they were both not ready for a family) are two very strong pieces of evidence Rob's story doesn't add up: people have been sent to prison for far less. Makes you wonder how easily literally any innocent family member in that situation could be accused of a crime.

About your two pieces of evidence:

1. Angela was 20, Rob was 19. Certainly not an ideal age to have a baby but not impossible. They were engaged (he gave her a diamond ring) and they were temporarily living together in a rented trailer until Rob would enlist in the army just 3 months later, where I assume he and Angela would have gotten military spouse and family benefits. So you can't say for sure if they were not ready for a family. They already had more going for them than other young expecting parents at that age and by all accounts from family and friends, they were happy.

2. The fish decal is the only thing that makes the truck identifiable. You're not going to notice it unless you're driving behind it or standing next to it, like Angela was. Otherwise, it looks like any other old truck you could pass every day. It's also late at night in tiny little Clinton, Missouri. It's not a 24 hour city with a hopping night life and tons of people out on the streets at such an hour. If the driver of the truck was from out of town then it's certainly no surprise that the truck couldn't be located by police or remembered by locals before the abduction.

Yes, to me, Rob came across as sincere and well spoken. But I mainly believe he is innocent because of these indisputable facts...

1. Angela's friend Kyla verified they were together until 11:20 p.m.
2. Rob's little brother verified he and Rob were together until Rob ran out of the house at 11:45 p.m.
3. Phone records verify the call between the phone booth and the house.
4. Police can verify that Rob entered the police station at midnight to report the incident, with his truck exactly where he said it was, broken transmission and all.

Over the course of 15 short minutes, he could not have found, murdered and successfully hidden a body in time to arrive at the police to report a fake abduction. I understand why the police looked at him originally. It's routine to investigate family first. But the timeline does NOT add up for him to be involved.

About your two pieces of evidence:

1. Angela was 20, Rob was 19. Certainly not an ideal age to have a baby but not impossible. They were engaged (he gave her a diamond ring) and they were temporarily living together in a rented trailer until Rob would enlist in the army just 3 months later, where I assume he and Angela would have gotten military spouse and family benefits. So you can't say for sure if they were not ready for a family. They already had more going for them than other young expecting parents at that age and by all accounts from family and friends, they were happy.

2. The fish decal is the only thing that makes the truck identifiable. You're not going to notice it unless you're driving behind it or standing next to it, like Angela was. Otherwise, it looks like any other old truck you could pass every day. It's also late at night in tiny little Clinton, Missouri. It's not a 24 hour city with a hopping night life and tons of people out on the streets at such an hour. If the driver of the truck was from out of town then it's certainly no surprise that the truck couldn't be located by police or remembered by locals before the abduction.

Yes, to me, Rob came across as sincere and well spoken. But I mainly believe he is innocent because of these indisputable facts...

1. Angela's friend Kyla verified they were together until 11:20 p.m.
2. Rob's little brother verified he and Rob were together until Rob ran out of the house at 11:45 p.m.
3. Phone records verify the call between the phone booth and the house.
4. Police can verify that Rob entered the police station at midnight to report the incident, with his truck exactly where he said it was, broken transmission and all.

Over the course of 15 short minutes, he could not have found, murdered and successfully hidden a body in time to arrive at the police to report a fake abduction. I understand why the police looked at him originally. It's routine to investigate family first. But the timeline does NOT add up for him to be involved.
LOGIC is the appropriate description of THIS post. Thank you for writing it.

About your two pieces of evidence:

1. Angela was 20, Rob was 19. Certainly not an ideal age to have a baby but not impossible. They were engaged (he gave her a diamond ring) and they were temporarily living together in a rented trailer until Rob would enlist in the army just 3 months later, where I assume he and Angela would have gotten military spouse and family benefits. So you can't say for sure if they were not ready for a family. They already had more going for them than other young expecting parents at that age and by all accounts from family and friends, they were happy.

2. The fish decal is the only thing that makes the truck identifiable. You're not going to notice it unless you're driving behind it or standing next to it, like Angela was. Otherwise, it looks like any other old truck you could pass every day. It's also late at night in tiny little Clinton, Missouri. It's not a 24 hour city with a hopping night life and tons of people out on the streets at such an hour. If the driver of the truck was from out of town then it's certainly no surprise that the truck couldn't be located by police or remembered by locals before the abduction.

Yes, to me, Rob came across as sincere and well spoken. But I mainly believe he is innocent because of these indisputable facts...

1. Angela's friend Kyla verified they were together until 11:20 p.m.
2. Rob's little brother verified he and Rob were together until Rob ran out of the house at 11:45 p.m.
3. Phone records verify the call between the phone booth and the house.
4. Police can verify that Rob entered the police station at midnight to report the incident, with his truck exactly where he said it was, broken transmission and all.

Over the course of 15 short minutes, he could not have found, murdered and successfully hidden a body in time to arrive at the police to report a fake abduction. I understand why the police looked at him originally. It's routine to investigate family first. But the timeline does NOT add up for him to be involved.

And BOOM goes the dynamite... :lol:

Nice post, dynoguy!

Yes, to me, Rob came across as sincere and well spoken. But I mainly believe he is innocent because of these indisputable facts...

1. Angela's friend Kyla verified they were together until 11:20 p.m.
2. Rob's little brother verified he and Rob were together until Rob ran out of the house at 11:45 p.m.
3. Phone records verify the call between the phone booth and the house.
4. Police can verify that Rob entered the police station at midnight to report the incident, with his truck exactly where he said it was, broken transmission and all.

Over the course of 15 short minutes, he could not have found, murdered and successfully hidden a body in time to arrive at the police to report a fake abduction. I understand why the police looked at him originally. It's routine to investigate family first. But the timeline does NOT add up for him to be involved.

Who's to say all he had was 15 minutes? Angela and Kyla parted ways around 11:15 p.m. and then she called Rob. It was established that the phones were connected for 30 minutes, but were they actually talking for the full 30 minutes?

What if there was a fight/argument over the phone and Angie didn't hang up, and Rob didn't hang up and shot up to the pay phone where Angie was? What if their phone conversation lasted 3 minutes, but was connected for 30? Outside of what Rob said, we have no actual knowledge what the phone conversation was about, so it's plausible that there was a fight over the phone which made Rob run to where Angie was. After that is anyone's guess.

Facts about this case:

- Phone connection around 11:15-11:20 for 30 minutes (just because it was connected doesn't mean the conversation lasted 30 minutes)
- Rob's transmission blew out
- Around midnight Rob entered the police station

Also Rob's transmission blowing out isn't a sign of his innocence, what if he was driving or backing up in rough terrain after burying/discarding her body?

No one has seen this truck, and I find it bizarre that he chased this "truck" right in the nick of time, but never mentioned anything about his license plate despite trailing behind it.

He did it, or he's lying about seeing the truck so he wouldn't appear guilty "I seen and chased it so it COULDN'T have been me". Yeah right.

I wonder if Rob was the jealous type, or fought with Angela about her ex who was the possible father of her unborn child? It's said he proposed to her after she told him she was pregnant. What if Angela told him that her ex might be the father? What if the ex told Rob he was the father and that angered Rob and he killed Angela out of jealousy/pain?

I can't imagine being 18 years old and engaged to the woman who I THOUGHT was pregnant with my child, only to have the carpet pulled from under my feet. I really wonder what happened between them that day.

I wonder if they got into an argument earlier in the day and it carried over into the time she called? I mean her friend could've just dropped her off at Rob's where he was babysitting and they could've rode home together. Maybe they were fighting, or Rob was acting irrational so she called from a pay phone to see if he cooled down?

Something is off about this story.

But wouldn't your brain be wired to automatically focus on the situation at hand and not memorize a license plate?

But wouldn't your brain be wired to automatically focus on the situation at hand and not memorize a license plate?

Perhaps. When his car broke down you'd think he would glance at it so he could tell the police atleast a state. He said he was tailing him with his highbeams on but he never got curious to look at the plates? It's also odd how descriptive of the truck Angela was (in which she should've been getting into her own car) and she never said anything about the license plate either.

She's creeped out by this circling car, so instead of leaving, she by the grace of God describes every detail of the man and truck but never reads Rob the license plate?

and none of this makes you question Rob?

I never said anything about Rob.

But aside from the reasons stated already, I doubt the police would have cleared him if they didn't have good reason, police would be quick to put it on the boyfriend if they could.

Also, if Rob did it, he had to have rushed to the police station to report the crime at once. He had absolutely no reason to do that if he had killed her. He could have taken all night to have disposed of the body and got his story straight and the police would never have been the wiser. It would have been at least morning before Angie was missed. His rushing straight to the police station in my view could mean only he was genuinely trying to report the crime in time to save her. I can't think of any other reason for him to report the abduction that quickly. Just not the actions of a guilty man.

But aside from the reasons stated already, I doubt the police would have cleared him if they didn't have good reason, police would be quick to put it on the boyfriend if they could.

Also, if Rob did it, he had to have rushed to the police station to report the crime at once. He had absolutely no reason to do that if he had killed her. He could have taken all night to have disposed of the body and got his story straight and the police would never have been the wiser. It would have been at least morning before Angie was missed. His rushing straight to the police station in my view could mean only he was genuinely trying to report the crime in time to save her. I can't think of any other reason for him to report the abduction that quickly. Just not the actions of a guilty man.

The police only "cleared" him and the ex-boyfriend because they couldn't find anything. Again, this doesn't mean that he's innocent. He also had Angela's family in his corner saying he was innocent, so I'm sure that helped.

Completely incorrect about him not having to rush to the police station if he did it. If Rob did commit the murder and he waited until morning then what would his story be? They lived together, so if he went home and she wasn't there and he didn't report it until morning then he would definitely look suspicious given the fact that Angela's friend dropped her off.

Also at the time Rob was 18, I wouldn't have him to have the cool and composure to murder his pregnant girlfriend and hide everything and wait until morning. It's possible there was a physical altercation in which he didn't mean to kill her, freaked out and ran to the police.

Also polygraph test are unreliable, hence why they're no longer used in court. So Rob passing one isn't impressive and doesn't relieve him of guilt

The police only "cleared" him and the ex-boyfriend because they couldn't find anything. Again, this doesn't mean that he's innocent. He also had Angela's family in his corner saying he was innocent, so I'm sure that helped.

Completely incorrect about him not having to rush to the police station if he did it. If Rob did commit the murder and he waited until morning then what would his story be? They lived together, so if he went home and she wasn't there and he didn't report it until morning then he would definitely look suspicious given the fact that Angela's friend dropped her off.

Also at the time Rob was 18, I wouldn't have him to have the cool and composure to murder his pregnant girlfriend and hide everything and wait until morning. It's possible there was a physical altercation in which he didn't mean to kill her, freaked out and ran to the police.

He wasn't staying with her that night, so he didn't need to have a story at all.

you just seem a little to determined to believe this. And their were two other eyewitnesses who saw the truck as well. Unless you think they are lying. Which I suppose is always possible, but to me it just doesn't add up.

The police only "cleared" him and the ex-boyfriend because they couldn't find anything. Again, this doesn't mean that he's innocent. He also had Angela's family in his corner saying he was innocent, so I'm sure that helped.

Completely incorrect about him not having to rush to the police station if he did it. If Rob did commit the murder and he waited until morning then what would his story be? They lived together, so if he went home and she wasn't there and he didn't report it until morning then he would definitely look suspicious given the fact that Angela's friend dropped her off.

Also at the time Rob was 18, I wouldn't have him to have the cool and composure to murder his pregnant girlfriend and hide everything and wait until morning. It's possible there was a physical altercation in which he didn't mean to kill her, freaked out and ran to the police.

He wasn't staying with her that night, so he didn't need to have a story at all.

you just seem a little to determined to believe this. And their were two other eyewitnesses who saw the truck as well. Unless you think they are lying. Which I suppose is always possible, but to me it just doesn't add up.

He wasn't staying with her that night, so he didn't need to have a story at all.

you just seem a little to determined to believe this. And their were two other eyewitnesses who saw the truck as well. Unless you think they are lying. Which I suppose is always possible, but to me it just doesn't add up.

He was staying with her that night as they lived together. They were supposed to hang out again after he finished babysitting his brother.

I'm not "determined" to believe it, but his story doesn't add up. If anything people are trying too hard to believe his "Hollywood" story despite how oddly convenient Angela gave him a witness and description of the vehicle (in which he seen of course *cough cough*) but not the most important part....the license plate...which he didn't even see it for himself despite trailing behind him with HIGHBEAMS on.

I'm sorry but his story just doesn't add up to me. Also given the fact that she was pregnant adds a motive.

Look at this case this way, everything was oddly convenient for Rob not to get arrested or become a suspect. She told him everything about the perp over the phone including a description of the vehicle, of course he saw and chased him (he SAW it so that exonerates him as the suspect) yet his transmission gives out at the last second and nor him or Angela mentioned anything of a license plate.

Haha sure.

His rushing straight to the police station in my view could mean only he was genuinely trying to report the crime in time to save her. I can't think of any other reason for him to report the abduction that quickly. Just not the actions of a guilty man.

I can recall countless examples of spouses committing murder and then immediately calling for help, assuming that would paint them as an innocent victim of a "random" attacker: some even go so far as to inflict significant wounds upon themselves. Some of these murderers are VERY highly skilled actors and can put off an Oscar winning performance. What if for example he staged the kidnapping and knew (or tipped off) the abductor? I have to admit it's a weird coincidence his transmission gave out just when he needed it the most but stranger things have happened.

Not that I believe this scenario in the Hammond case but your example is no proof of innocence by itself. I compare this to the Amy Betchel case yet Steve was given the third degree by everyone even to this day but Rob wasn't. Again, I'm not bothering by Rob being found innocent because I believe he is but the fact it's considered blasphemy by some to dig deeper into his story.

At first, I used to believe Rob was innocent solely based on his demeanor until I realized on one of my ex's looked even sweeter and more innocent that him and I firmly believe she is capable of anything, including murder when she flies into a rage.

We still have not been presented with a shred of positive evidence that might (and I say might) even suggest that Rob could be involved in Angela's disappearance.

- Not even a single contradiction of his testimony by an acquaintance (not even his baby brother, who he was baby-sitting at the time).

- Not a single reassessment by law enforcement that what he said had occurred could not happen in the time frame he provided.

- We have eyewitness testimonies that the truck and the butt ugly guy in overalls were both seen in Clinton on the evening of the crime.

- We have a composite sketch of the suspect, not by Rob's description, but by another eyewitness'.

- Rob's car, with its broken transmission, was indeed found stuck in the middle of Clinton's Main Street that night as well (and most probably, brought to a garage for inspection).

- Not a single slip-of-the-tongue from Rob to a friend, a girlfriend, or an acquaintance. UM is ripe of examples of violent boyfriends or husbands that slip up; for example, threatening in private to do to their present SO what they did with the "disappeared" ex-spouse. Yet, nothing in Rob's case - except some misogynistic comments made twenty years later that are totally unconnected to Angela's case.

We may argue this until the cows come home, but until positive evidence of the contrary is brought forward, Rob did not do it. Period. Dot at the end of the line. And now we are in the territory of "Well, Rob might not have participated directly, BUT he might have recruited or asked someone to kidnap and murder her for him"? Wow, please...

It's like it could never believably happen that a vulnerable young woman, alone in a dark area one evening, could be forcibly abducted by a complete stranger just passing by in Small Town, Missouri, because that possibility would be less credible that Rob not only being a superhuman criminal masterminding the perfect abduction and murder of his pregnant girlfriend, but shutting up about it for more than twenty years without a single slip up.

Stupid, even contrived coincidences do happen. David Berkowitz was caught because, the same night that he killed Stacy Moskowitz and Bobby Violante, he received a parking ticket and blew his car horn to a middle-aged woman, in the middle of the night. It was thanks to her description of his car, coupled with the parking ticket, that they caught the Son of Sam.

He was staying with her that night as they lived together. They were supposed to hang out again after he finished babysitting his brother.

I'm not "determined" to believe it, but his story doesn't add up. If anything people are trying too hard to believe his "Hollywood" story despite how oddly convenient Angela gave him a witness and description of the vehicle (in which he seen of course *cough cough*) but not the most important part....the license plate...which he didn't even see it for himself despite trailing behind him with HIGHBEAMS on.

I'm sorry but his story just doesn't add up to me. Also given the fact that she was pregnant adds a motive.

Look at this case this way, everything was oddly convenient for Rob not to get arrested or become a suspect. She told him everything about the perp over the phone including a description of the vehicle, of course he saw and chased him (he SAW it so that exonerates him as the suspect) yet his transmission gives out at the last second and nor him or Angela mentioned anything of a license plate.

Haha sure.

Doesn't add up? The entire premise of your argument is that Rob was only on the phone with Angie for a few minutes and the record of the call was longer because he left it off the hook, thus giving him the time to commit the crime. There is absolutely no evidence or facts to back that up. Its sheer speculation on your part.

The other thing is you keep thinking it unusual she didn't get the license number. Its entirely possible she could not see the license plate from her position, especially if the truck was parked parallel with the phone booth as was depicted in the reenactment. And while the truck was circling, I doubt if she was concerned about the situation enough yet to read the license number. The fish decal on the back window would have stood out more than the license number. she may have even been nearsighted and could not make it out for all we know.

In short, that's not a strong enough reason to think the whole thing was fabricated.

Doesn't add up? The entire premise of your argument is that Rob was only on the phone with Angie for a few minutes and the record of the call was longer because he left it off the hook, thus giving him the time to commit the crime. There is absolutely no evidence or facts to back that up. Its sheer speculation on your part.

The other thing is you keep thinking it unusual she didn't get the license number. Its entirely possible she could not see the license plate from her position, especially if the truck was parked parallel with the phone booth as was depicted in the reenactment. And while the truck was circling, I doubt if she was concerned about the situation enough yet to read the license number. The fish decal on the back window would have stood out more than the license number. she may have even been nearsighted and could not make it out for all we know.

In short, that's not a strong enough reason to think the whole thing was fabricated.

I totes think he did it, and I will continue until official findings say otherwise.

We just gonna go ahead and agree to disagree.

I don't think Rob did it. I believe his story, but over the years I've come to believe that some of his story might be irrelevant.

I can believe he chased a truck through town. What if Angela wasn't in that truck? He might have heard a scream, and thought the woman yelled his name, but it might just have been a scream. If the abductor is fighting with her, and she is fighting for her life, would she really recognize his car coming towards her on the opposite side of the road? She might see the headlights, but I don't think she'd have enough time to stare at it to determine if it was Rob's car. He might have chased the wrong vehicle.

I don't think Rob did it. I believe his story, but over the years I've come to believe that some of his story might be irrelevant.

I can believe he chased a truck through town. What if Angela wasn't in that truck? He might have heard a scream, and thought the woman yelled his name, but it might just have been a scream. If the abductor is fighting with her, and she is fighting for her life, would she really recognize his car coming towards her on the opposite side of the road? She might see the headlights, but I don't think she'd have enough time to stare at it to determine if it was Rob's car. He might have chased the wrong vehicle.

If you believe Rob's story, then she described the truck to him and he got a good look at it too. I would say the odds of two similar trucks speeding through a small town in the middle of the night at the same time with someone screaming from them would have to be pretty slim. He probably could see two people struggling too.

As to how Angela may have known it was Rob's car, maybe she didn't know for sure. She probably was just desperate and screamed out to it hoping it was him, she after all screamed into the phone and knew Rob was the only one who knew where she was and that she was in trouble.

Its just to bad Rob and the abductor did not come through a cop on patrol's radar that night. This probably has a different outcome.

If you believe Rob's story, then she described the truck to him and he got a good look at it too. I would say the odds of two similar trucks speeding through a small town in the middle of the night at the same time with someone screaming from them would have to be pretty slim. He probably could see two people struggling too.

As to how Angela may have known it was Rob's car, maybe she didn't know for sure. She probably was just desperate and screamed out to it hoping it was him, she after all screamed into the phone and knew Rob was the only one who knew where she was and that she was in trouble.

Its just to bad Rob and the abductor did not come through a cop on patrol's radar that night. This probably has a different outcome.

I believe Rob's story. I also believe that Angela described that truck to Rob. I'm just pointing out that it's possible that the person driving that truck did not abduct her. From the reenactment, Angela was busy watching this guy dig around in his truck and asking him if he needed to use the phone. Maybe someone else arrived and she felt safer, so she went back to talking to Rob. The person who arrived then abducts Angela.

I believe Rob's story. I also believe that Angela described that truck to Rob. I'm just pointing out that it's possible that the person driving that truck did not abduct her. From the reenactment, Angela was busy watching this guy dig around in his truck and asking him if he needed to use the phone. Maybe someone else arrived and she felt safer, so she went back to talking to Rob. The person who arrived then abducts Angela.

The only problem with this theory is that Rob testified he heard the abductor say he didn't need to use the phone anyway, something that was in response to what Angela
Asked the man in the truck. A third party arriving on the scene would have no reason to say that.

Also, if the man in the truck was innocent and someone else came along and abducted her, seems he would have come forward by now and cleared himself. He would have to have pieced together what happened that night and knew somebody chased him. Although I suppose its possible that he would have been afraid to and that no one would believe him.

It just seems to me people have such a hard time believing that it happened the way Rob said that they are inclined to come up with off the wall theories.

But while I'm not totally discounting the possibility Rob is either mistaken or lying, I think from all the facts it most likely happened just the way he said. The car breaking down exactly where he said and its condition being consistent with his story, while not absolute proof, is a pretty strong indication.

The abductor most likely murdered her, hid the body, and then either got rid of the truck or else painted it and had the decal removed since he knew it was seen. With no license plate number, it would been nearly impossible at that point to track the truck down and not at all surprising it was never found.

The Rob did it thing is still a thing? That is so 2010!

They haven't arrested the boyfriend yet?

I just find it weird that...according to Rob, Angela basically gave a detective's dream description of the suspect and his car. It's a little ~too perfect.

I mean, they did find his broken down car in the road, so that part of the story checks out but -- it's ... just ... weird that she randomly did everything but take a polaroid of the guy and his truck and mail it to Rob, for no real reason.

I just find it weird that...according to Rob, Angela basically gave a detective's dream description of the suspect and his car. It's a little ~too perfect.

I mean, they did find his broken down car in the road, so that part of the story checks out but -- it's ... just ... weird that she randomly did everything but take a polaroid of the guy and his truck and mail it to Rob, for no real reason.

It wasn't for no reason??

The guy was freaking her out, and she had every reason to be freaked out by him - he was the kind of guy that would actually kidnap and kill her.

It wasn't for no reason??

The guy was freaking her out, and she had every reason to be freaked out by him - he was the kind of guy that would actually kidnap and kill her.

I just can't think of any other crime, Unsolved Mysteries or no, where they had such a detailed description of the man and the car he was driving. When Rob told the detective, I think they were either like -- "JACKPOT!" or "wait a minute..."

I just find it weird that...according to Rob, Angela basically gave a detective's dream description of the suspect and his car. It's a little ~too perfect.

Not really. All she said was that he was a filthy looking man with a dark beard and overalls. Not exactly unique characteristics. And the pickup truck was dark greenish but the true color might have been hidden because of how dirty it was. Again, a dirty looking pickup truck is not unique. The fish decal would be the only real thing to jump out at anyone who saw it.

You have to take into account that Angela was on the phone for quite a while, even while the guy was pretending to fool around with something in the front seat and pretending to use the next payphone. She had plenty of time to get a up close view of him. Seems to me his original plan was to wait for her to get off the phone to grab her (like Ellen Fried in the CRV killings) but since she kept talking and talking, he eventually grew impatient and just took her.

Not really. All she said was that he was a filthy looking man with a dark beard and overalls. Not exactly unique characteristics. And the pickup truck was dark greenish but the true color might have been hidden because of how dirty it was. Again, a dirty looking pickup truck is not unique. The fish decal would be the only real thing to jump out at anyone who saw it.

You have to take into account that Angela was on the phone for quite a while, even while the guy was pretending to fool around with something in the front seat and pretending to use the next payphone. She had plenty of time to get a up close view of him. Seems to me his original plan was to wait for her to get off the phone to grab her (like Ellen Fried in the CRV killings) but since she kept talking and talking, he eventually grew impatient and just took her.

From the UM dialogue -- "older model green Ford pickup. Dirty looking, mustache, beard, glasses, wearing overalls. one of those decals that covers the whole back window. looks like a lake scene with a fish jumping out of water."

I don't even think Rob did it BUT it's just an insane amount of detail. I'm just saying in any other case - people probably think " that's too much detail, it seems prepared."

I just can't help but remember back to small town Winter Garden when I was young. We all knew who everyone's vehicle belonged to. One with this much detail, unless it was from out of town, someone should've recognized it by the description.

I don't even think Rob did it BUT it's just an insane amount of detail. I'm just saying in any other case - people probably think " that's too much detail, it seems prepared."

Witnesses from the Bad Route Rest Stop described Dexter Stefonek's vehicle in great detail, even down to the state that the license plate was issued then. I don't find it that weird that Angie would have described a green pickup truck with a fish decal and what the man looked like and was wearing, if he was making her uneasy. Perhaps she thought that by describing what he looked like and the truck he drove that maybe Rob would've recognized him as someone local, or known to someone local?

Perhaps she thought that by describing what he looked like and the truck he drove that maybe Rob would've recognized him as someone local, or known to someone local?

Very solid point, That would be human nature. Especially if you live in a small town. (“I haven’t seen this guy before. Have you seen a guy in town with a green truck with decals, looks like he bathes in pig ****?”) Pretty much anyone would react that way

https://apps.colorado.gov/apps/coldcase/casedetail.html?id=388

On December 19, 1977, 18 year old, Ms. Carol Scott's body was found near the City of Colorado Springs Municipal Service Center on the access road. Ms. Carol Scott may have been kidnapped from a phone booth while making a call on December 18, 1977, a friend of Carol's reported being on the phone with her and hearing a verbal argument between Carol and an unknown male. Further investigation lead police to believe there was a struggle at the phone booth. Anyone with information regarding this case, is asked to please contact the Colorado Springs Police Department.

https://www.facebook.com/cspdpio/posts/41-years-ago-today-18-year-old-carol-lynn-scott-was-kidnapped-and-was-found-dece/3203901992958997/

41 years ago today, 18-year-old Carol Lynn Scott was kidnapped, and was found deceased from strangulation near Monument Valley Park the following morning. A witness reported seeing Ms. Scott talking on the pay phone when a car pulled to the curb and a male passenger approached the victim, telling her to hang up the phone then forcibly dragging her into the car. The car was described as a dark colored 1970 - 1975 model sedan, similar to a Pontiac Grand Am, jacked up in the rear, with a light colored horizontal stripe running under the windows. The suspect was described as a white male in his 20's, 170 - 190 pounds, with short/medium length hair, dressed in casual clothes. This vehicle was not located during the initial investigation. The investigation into the murder of Carol Scott remains open and active. If anyone has information regarding this case, please contact the Colorado Springs Police Department at 719-444-7000.

https://apps.colorado.gov/apps/coldcase/casedetail.html?id=388

On December 19, 1977, 18 year old, Ms. Carol Scott's body was found near the City of Colorado Springs Municipal Service Center on the access road. Ms. Carol Scott may have been kidnapped from a phone booth while making a call on December 18, 1977, a friend of Carol's reported being on the phone with her and hearing a verbal argument between Carol and an unknown male. Further investigation lead police to believe there was a struggle at the phone booth. Anyone with information regarding this case, is asked to please contact the Colorado Springs Police Department.

https://www.facebook.com/cspdpio/posts/41-years-ago-today-18-year-old-carol-lynn-scott-was-kidnapped-and-was-found-dece/3203901992958997/

41 years ago today, 18-year-old Carol Lynn Scott was kidnapped, and was found deceased from strangulation near Monument Valley Park the following morning. A witness reported seeing Ms. Scott talking on the pay phone when a car pulled to the curb and a male passenger approached the victim, telling her to hang up the phone then forcibly dragging her into the car. The car was described as a dark colored 1970 - 1975 model sedan, similar to a Pontiac Grand Am, jacked up in the rear, with a light colored horizontal stripe running under the windows. The suspect was described as a white male in his 20's, 170 - 190 pounds, with short/medium length hair, dressed in casual clothes. This vehicle was not located during the initial investigation. The investigation into the murder of Carol Scott remains open and active. If anyone has information regarding this case, please contact the Colorado Springs Police Department at 719-444-7000.

Not to sound insensitive, but what does this have to do with Angela Hammond?

Not to sound insensitive, but what does this have to do with Angela Hammond?

Maybe Arnold is just describing a similar detailed case. As one of the posters above thought the Angela Hammond was unusually detailed?

Or not.

Is anyone into EVPS, there is a man on youtube that has done a few evp sessions about some of the cases profiled on Unsolved Mysteries

Is anyone into EVPS, there is a man on youtube that has done a few evp sessions about some of the cases profiled on Unsolved Mysteries

That's interesting. I'd check that out.

He has done one session on the Angela Hammond case and some evps were very interesting

Another session he did was the Amy Bradley case confirmed some theories

And another great evp session was on Amy Billig

He has done one session on the Angela Hammond case and some evps were very interesting

Another session he did was the Amy Bradley case confirmed some theories

And another great evp session was on Amy Billig

Confirmed, or wackjob conman pretending to be getting messages from people beyond the grave-choose one.

Confirmed, or wackjob conman pretending to be getting messages from people beyond the grave-choose one.

I’ll go with option B for 1600, Alex.

I could send you the links to a few of them. Judge for yourself

Already seen some of them in the past-total nonsense & that he is profiting by offering private readings-possibly to desperate/gullible family members of murder victims/missing women is despicable-just like the 'psychics' who do the same thing. Should just stick to his oil paintings.

Already seen some of them in the past-total nonsense & that he is profiting by offering private readings-possibly to desperate/gullible family members of murder victims/missing women is despicable-just like the 'psychics' who do the same thing. Should just stick to his oil paintings.

Yep. Just a scumbag taking advantage of people's pain

This story always horrified me most. I always believed the guy who did this was a “drifter” type who was driving around looking for a girl to abduct and then “ding ding ding”
He found his opportunity and kidnapped her, highly likely raped her and likely killed her and hid her body. This guy sadly will likely never be found