Even a moderate fan of "Seinfeld" remembers the classic episode where he and George were mistaken for being a gay couple by a reporter. Everytime they spoke of how they were mistakenly labeled gay, they started crying and getting totally upset. Then to top it off, several times in this same episode, whenever the term gay came up, someone in the cast would say, "Not that there's anything WRONG with that." Call it subliminal, but I think that's a backhanded slap sort of way of saying "There is most definitely something WRONG with that." Who's with me on this?

Not Kevin Keller....

Not Kevin Keller....

Ahh...yes, Kevin Keller; the first gay comicbook character in Archie's Riverdale. I finally get it. It's okay to show your opposition to the gay community - as long as it's a backhanded slap disguised as a witty saying or clever slogan. *Retreating to the reading room to don my smoking jacket to think up a few more witty, catchy anti-gay lifestyle sayings.* Then calling NBC. (Not that there'a anything WRONG with that.)

When I first watched this episode, every time Jerry said "Not that there anything wrong with that" I was thinking that he meant......"I wouldn't mind going on with a gay guy"

LOL:lol: :lol:

...and what were you thinking when George said it? .....and Kramer?

...and what were you thinking when George said it? .....and Kramer?


I don't remember Kramer saying it

I just thought it was funny. I didn't find anything wrong with it. They just meant there is nothing wrong with it for those that are. But they're not simple as that.

I don't remember Kramer saying it

Kramer was the very last person to say it at the very end of the show(in fact it was the freeze frame ending of the episode.) You don't recall as much about that episode as I do - not that there's anything wrong with that.

You really believe that Seinfeld and his writers would do something they suspected might possibly offend anyone in the gay community? If so, you must not be aware that Hollywood is the strongest and most open, vocal ally of gay rights. That's my take on this. I'd suggest that you consider taking things with a grain of salt -- my ethnicity for example has been openly made fun of many, many times on TV, and I never found any of it offensive. Life's too short to dwell on perceived insensitivites.

please keep in mind that Jerry and his group of friends are HORRIBLE people; completely self-obsessed, selfish jerks, who really aren't very nice to even their best friends, let alone complete strangers - not that there's anything wrong with that.

I felt that it should have been said like this

"I;m not gay but if someone is that's their choice"


Not..."I;m not gay not that there's anything wrong with that"


It just made it seem like he was open to being with a gay man.

Would you all still be making excuses for the cast if the quote had been "I'm not gay - not that there's anything Unnatural about that".
As far as I am concerned there is no difference between the two statements; both imply that gay is NOT quite right a thing to be.

Would you all still be making excuses for the cast if the quote had been "I'm not gay - not that there's anything Unnatural about that".
As far as I am concerned there is no difference between the two statements; both imply that gay is NOT quite right a thing to be.


For a man, it sounds better to say......"I;m not gay but if someone chooses to be that way I have no right to judge them":

Sounds a lot better


The statement Jerry said made it seem like he is bi-curious

Would you all still be making excuses for the cast if the quote had been "I'm not gay - not that there's anything Unnatural about that".
As far as I am concerned there is no difference between the two statements; both imply that gay is NOT quite right a thing to be.
yeah, i still think you are completely missing the point - I'm not making excuses for the show (not even a fan of it), the statements made by the characters were supposed to be insensitive and ignorant because the characters themselves are.

would you call Norman Lear a racist just because Archie Bunker was?

Even a moderate fan of "Seinfeld" remembers the classic episode where he and George were mistaken for being a gay couple by a reporter. Everytime they spoke of how they were mistakenly labeled gay, they started crying and getting totally upset. Then to top it off, several times in this same episode, whenever the term gay came up, someone in the cast would say, "Not that there's anything WRONG with that." Call it subliminal, but I think that's a backhanded slap sort of way of saying "There is most definitely something WRONG with that." Who's with me on this?

sounds like someone got ran over by the sensitive truck


straight men hate being mistook for gay and Seinfeld is a freaking comedy show, not a guide on how to act in public situations

please keep in mind that Jerry and his group of friends are HORRIBLE people; completely self-obsessed, selfish jerks, who really aren't very nice to even their best friends, let alone complete strangers - not that there's anything wrong with that.

are you referring to real life or the show? :D

When Bee Movie came out Jerry was interviewed on Larry King, I think and he was explaining why they did that episode the way they did. He said that they were trying to be subtle about the whole thing but they didn't want to offend anyone so that's why they kept saying "Not that there's anything wrong with that." I thought it was hilarious to be honest. I mean, look at "The Contest." That episode dealt with something that definitely can't be talked about on television and yet they wrote that episode without ever mentioning the word! Brilliant!

The episode actually won an award from GLAAD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outing

are you referring to real life or the show? :D
i was referring to the characters on the show - I haven't met any of the actors in real life yet. (not that there's anything wrong with that.)