View Full Version : The Dream Team, or the 2012 U.S. Olympic team?
Brad Russ 07-14-2012, 02:45 AM This was a debate on ESPN today and I thought I would ask it here. In your opinion, which team is better? The 1992 Dream Team, or the 2012 Olympic basketball team? The overwhelming consensus on ESPN was the Dream Team. Many great arguments, but many absurd ones as well. The most absurd in my view was Scottie Pippen's comment that the Dream Team would win by 30 points. Uh Scottie, I seriously doubt that. The Dream Team was amazing, no doubt, and I would give them the slight advantage, but I think it would definitely be a close game. Yes, the dream team had Jordan, Drexler, Bird, and Magic among others, but the 2012 team counters with Lebron, Durant, Kobe, and Chris Paul among others. I think the dream teams biggest advantage though is in the bigs. The big guys on the dream team were far superior to those on the current team. I think each game would be close, but if they played ten games, I could conceivably see each team winning five. I loved Larry Bird's comment of who would win. He said the 2012 team would win because we are all old now. lol Anyway, which do you think was the better team and why? Please share your thoughts!
hawkeye123 07-14-2012, 04:26 AM This was a debate on ESPN today and I thought I would ask it here. In your opinion, which team is better? The 1992 Dream Team, or the 2012 Olympic basketball team? The overwhelming consensus on ESPN was the Dream Team. Many great arguments, but many absurd ones as well. The most absurd in my view was Scottie Pippen's comment that the Dream Team would win by 30 points. Uh Scottie, I seriously doubt that. The Dream Team was amazing, no doubt, and I would give them the slight advantage, but I think it would definitely be a close game. Yes, the dream team had Jordan, Drexler, Bird, and Magic among others, but the 2012 team counters with Lebron, Durant, Kobe, and Chris Paul among others. I think the dream teams biggest advantage though is in the bigs. The big guys on the dream team were far superior to those on the current team. I think each game would be close, but if they played ten games, I could conceivably see each team winning five. I loved Larry Bird's comment of who would win. He said the 2012 team would win because we are all old now. lol Anyway, which do you think was the better team and why? Please share your thoughts!
The 92 dream team, because the 92 dream team was the best team ever assembled. They we're more experienced. They we're better shooters.
Better defenders, better passers, simply better at every aspect of the game; I would take Jordan,Bird,Magic,Drexler over Kobe,Durant,James,Paul any day of the week. I think they would win all 10 of the games. Not only that though. I would take any combination that didn't include Lattner over them. That is how elite of a class of players those we're. You do have a point about the bigs though. That is certainly to the dream teams advantage depth is also to the dream teams advantage. Iguodala, Westbrook, Chandler, Davis are not superstars. They have no business being on the team. I can think of at least 10 people I would put on the team before them. This Olympic team couldn’t even beat dream team 2 or 3 who we’re pretty great in their own right.
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hawkeye123 07-14-2012, 04:29 PM If I was going to assemble a dream team, with today’s talent that could at least give the 92 dream team a run for their money. My team would be as follows. D.Rose, Bryant, Pierce, Aldridge, Howard, Rondo Durant, James, Garnett, Duncan, Anthony, Wade. I hope I’m not forgetting anyone too deserving. But that would be the team the way I see things. I know absolutely nobody will agree with me about starting Pierce. But I saw what Pierce has done at his best. He handed it to James and Kobe in 2008.
Marvo301 07-14-2012, 04:35 PM The 92 Dream Team. they are all Hall of Famers except Christian Laettner. I don't think this years team will have that high of a percentage make it to the Hall.
Brad Russ 07-20-2012, 10:21 PM Thanks for the responses guys, you made some very good points. Hawkeye, I don't necessarily agree with you about Westbrook and Iggy. I think both players are indeed superstars. Westbrook is an all around player, 22 points, 8 assists a game, and great athleticism. Needs to cut down on turnovers, and work on his jump shot, but in his early 20's, he is a phenom in my view. He has improved his game every season, and I believe that trend will likely continue. Iggy isn't great in any one category, but is good in virtually every statistical category. Assists, steals, points, shooting, rebounding, the definition of an all around player. I'd take someone like him who's good in numerous categories, over a guy who's great in a couple. He has all the intangibles, and a high b-ball iq. His ceiling for improvement is sky high. The only guys on the current team that I don't see being hall of fame material at this point in their careers are Chandler, Harden, and Davis. The 1992 dream team was amazing, but I often wonder how much greater they could have been without Laettner and Mullin. Mullin was a very good player, but I never viewed him as HOF material. Replace Laettner and Mullin with say Shaq and Isiah Thomas, and I think those 40 point blowouts could have potentially been 50+ point blowouts. Anyway, that's my opinion. Thanks guys for sharing yours!!
hawkeye123 07-20-2012, 10:53 PM Thanks for the responses guys, you made some very good points. Hawkeye, I don't necessarily agree with you about Westbrook and Iggy. I think both players are indeed superstars. Westbrook is an all around player, 22 points, 8 assists a game, and great athleticism. Needs to cut down on turnovers, and work on his jump shot, but in his early 20's, he is a phenom in my view. He has improved his game every season, and I believe that trend will likely continue. Iggy isn't great in any one category, but is good in virtually every statistical category. Assists, steals, points, shooting, rebounding, the definition of an all around player. I'd take someone like him who's good in numerous categories, over a guy who's great in a couple. He has all the intangibles, and a high b-ball iq. His ceiling for improvement is sky high. The only guys on the current team that I don't see being hall of fame material at this point in their careers are Chandler, Harden, and Davis. The 1992 dream team was amazing, but I often wonder how much greater they could have been without Laettner and Mullin. Mullin was a very good player, but I never viewed him as HOF material. Replace Laettner and Mullin with say Shaq and Isiah Thomas, and I think those 40 point blowouts could have potentially been 50+ point blowouts. Anyway, that's my opinion. Thanks guys for sharing yours!!
Russell Westbrook is going to have to keep doing what he does. For quite a bit longer before I call him a superstar. He and Iggy are good players. Not dream team players IMO. Same goes for any player on the new dream team, Except for a very few. That being said if they played in 1992. None of them would make the team. I agree with you that Lattner shouldn't have made the team. But not Mullin Chris Mullin is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. In 1992 he was averaging 26 pts. A game, 53%FG pct, 83%pct from the line. Besides that he was a pretty solid defender and, a sharp shooter from the 3 pt. line. I would have put Wilkins or Hakeem on the 92 dream team for Lattner.
TVFactFan 07-21-2012, 02:49 PM No contest because of the players on the 2012 team
Iguodala
Chandler
Westbrook
Melo
Harden
hawkeye123 07-21-2012, 03:04 PM No contest because of the players on the 2012 team
Iguodala
Chandler
Westbrook
Melo
Harden
First off they couldn't do it no matter who they had on the team. Secondly Carmelo is better than you are giving him credit for. He is just as good as anybody on that team and has been proving it for years. What is your problem with Melo exactly? I think he's one of the best pure scorers there is. Granted last season was not one of his better ones. But he was injured a lot of it.
TVFactFan 07-21-2012, 03:14 PM First off they couldn't do it no matter who they had on the team. Secondly Carmelo is better than you are giving him credit for. He is just as good as anybody on that team and has been proving it for years. What is your problem with Melo exactly? I think he's one of the best pure scorers there is. Granted last season was not one of his better ones. But he was injured a lot of it.
Those players I listed are in comparison to the players on the 1992
Drexeler
Pippen
Mullin
Barkley
Malone
Melo is a good player not a superstar . The only superstars on the 2012 team are
Kobe
Lebron
Durant
CP3
hawkeye123 07-21-2012, 03:35 PM Those players I listed are in comparison to the players on the 1992
Drexeler
Pippen
Mullin
Barkley
Malone
Melo is a good player not a superstar . The only superstars on the 2012 team are
Kobe
Lebron
Durant
CP3
What is the list with Drexler, Malone, Barkley, Pippen, and Mullin? Every one of them was a superstar and a hall of famer. Clyde has better stats in every category than Kobe, except points and, he did all that in less games and less minutes. And Malone Barkley there is nobody in the league today. That those two wouldn't have completely dominated. At times Malone avg 30 points and almost always over 26 above double figure rebounds. Same goes for Charles on quite a few occasions. Back to Carmelo he is as good as any of those guys to me. But everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
TVFactFan 07-21-2012, 03:41 PM What is the list with Drexler, Malone, Barkley, Pippen, and Mullin? Every one of them was a superstar and a hall of famer. Clyde has better stats in every category than Kobe, except points and, he did all that in less games and less minutes. And Malone Barkley there is nobody in the league today. That those two wouldn't have completely dominated. At times Malone avg 30 points and almost always over 26 above double figure rebounds. Same goes for Charles on quite a few occasions. Back to Carmelo he is as good as any of those guys to me. But everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
Melo is so good and has only been beyond the 1st round once in 9 years.
I was saying that when you compare both teams you easy for anyone to see the 1992 team had more superstars. Tne 2012 team has a lot of stars and only 4 superstars
hawkeye123 07-21-2012, 05:18 PM Melo is so good and has only been beyond the 1st round once in 9 years.
I was saying that when you compare both teams you easy for anyone to see the 1992 team had more superstars. Tne 2012 team has a lot of stars and only 4 superstars
Yeah, that is true in 1992 there we're 11, on this one 4 or 5. I think I took it wrong. I thought you we're saying that list weren’t superstars the one with Clyde and company. That is because of Melos teams you put him on the Lakers or heat. They would win a championship too. Melo has only been with other superstars in their prime in New York and even then just Amare.
TVFactFan 07-21-2012, 05:39 PM Yeah, that is true in 1992 there we're 11, on this one 4 or 5. I think I took it wrong. I thought you we're saying that list weren’t superstars the one with Clyde and company. That is because of Melos teams you put him on the Lakers or heat. They would win a championship too. Melo has only been with other superstars in their prime in New York and even then just Amare.
Melo to me is just a jump shooter who never passes the ball. I also heard that he didn't want LIN to come back. That story broke on friday
hawkeye123 07-21-2012, 09:52 PM Melo to me is just a jump shooter who never passes the ball. I also heard that he didn't want LIN to come back. That story broke on friday
He is an elite shooter though. I agree he needs to work on being a better team player. He's not perfect by any means. I never heard about him not wanting Lin back. If that's true then he's dumb. I remember though it seemed like as soon as Lin went on that hot streak and then Carmelo came back. He didn't play as well with Lin on the floor. His scoring was way down.
MrCleveland 08-03-2012, 12:37 PM Dream Team...
'Cause *COUGH* LeBron is on this 2012 Team...and I STILL can't stand him!
Tweety 08-03-2012, 04:04 PM No question that the 92 team was better.
They were far more accomplished (not just for their entire careers, which is obvious, but also far more accomplished at the time of the Olympics).
It's already been pointed out the off-the-charts advantage that the 92 team would have in the middle. Kevin Love trying to stop Ewing or Robinson?
The 92 team was also forced to take a college player who had no business being anywhere near that squad.
In addition, these guys (2012) have played together in off season workouts and tournaments for the past three years. It didn't take the 92 team three years to figure out how to play basketball together. They simply hopped on a plane, flew to Barcelona, and destroyed the world.
We do have a great team this year, and the college representative (Davis) is certainly a better player than Laettner was at that stage, especially considering that Laettner played 4 years in college and Davis has only played one year. Davis belongs on this team much more so than Laettner did in 92.
The NBA itself was stronger in 1992 than it is now. If anyone doubts this, then explain how Kwame Brown is still in the league after 11 years. Name an NBA player who was playing in 1992 in his 11th season who was that bad. A bust like that would have lasted two years at the most and would spend the next several years trying to latch on to some team over in Europe.
Brad Russ 08-05-2012, 03:07 AM If anyone had a doubt who the better team was, I think after today, that's probably not even a question to most anymore. I believe the closest game for the Dream Team was a 30 something point blowout. Today, the 2012 team almost got upset by Lithuania and won by less then 10 points. True, International competition is far stronger today then it was in 1992, but there is no way the 1992 team would have been in a game this close to any team, under any circumstances imo. This team is certainly phenomenal, but after today, there should be no question as to who the better overall team was.
TVFactFan 08-05-2012, 03:11 AM If anyone had a doubt who the better team was, I think after today, that's probably not even a question to most anymore. I believe the closest game for the Dream Team was a 30 something point blowout. Today, the 2012 team almost got upset by Lithuania and won by less then 10 points. True, International competition is far stronger today then it was in 1992, but there is no way the 1992 team would have been in a game this close to any team, under any circumstances imo. This team is certainly phenomenal, but after today, there should be no question as to who the better overall team was.
How come there are no highlights of the game and only still photos?:confused:
Brad Russ 08-05-2012, 03:34 AM How come there are no highlights of the game and only still photos?:confused:
Is the game on tape delay? Sometimes they aren't allowed to show the highlights, and can only show stills until the game airs everywhere. I'm guessing that's probably why.
TVFactFan 08-05-2012, 03:42 AM Is the game on tape delay? Sometimes they aren't allowed to show the highlights, and can only show stills until the game airs everywhere. I'm guessing that's probably why.
The U.S. most competitive game and we can't see highlights. But when they beat teams by 99 ESPN shows those games with no problems:lol:
Brad Russ 08-05-2012, 03:47 AM The U.S. most competitive game and we can't see highlights. But when they beat teams by 99 ESPN shows those games with no problems:lol:
Since they finally had a good game, I wouldn't be surprised if they put it on ppv for ten dollars a pop. LOL! Nobody wants to see a 80 point blowout, but the entire world wants to see the USA in a competitive game! Definitely wouldn't surprise me.
hawkeye123 08-05-2012, 04:35 AM I was impressed with Carmelo's 10 3 pointers in a game the other night though.
Tweety 08-05-2012, 05:38 PM If anyone had a doubt who the better team was, I think after today, that's probably not even a question to most anymore. I believe the closest game for the Dream Team was a 30 something point blowout. Today, the 2012 team almost got upset by Lithuania and won by less then 10 points. True, International competition is far stronger today then it was in 1992, but there is no way the 1992 team would have been in a game this close to any team, under any circumstances imo. This team is certainly phenomenal, but after today, there should be no question as to who the better overall team was.
Correct, in 2008, the closest any team came to THE one and only Dream Team was 32 points... that would be Croatia in the Gold Medal Game (earlier in the tournament the USA beat Croatia by 33).
The USA team was pitiful against Lithuania, shooting only 44% from the field (including 10-33 from downtown).
On the 92 team, only Christian Laettner (45.0%) and Michael Jordan (45.1%) shot under 50% from the field during the tournament. Barkley shot 71% from the field and was the best player on the USA team.
Here are the 1992 scores:
USA 116 Angola 48 (+68)
USA 103 Croatia 70 (+33)
USA 111 Germany 68 (+43)
USA 127 Brazil 83 (+44)
USA 122 Spain 81 (+41)
USA 115 Puerto Rico 77 (+38)
USA 127 Lithuania 76 (+51)
USA 117 Croatia 85 (+32)
To win a game by only 5 points, and to be held under 100, is embarrassing. Yeah, I know they scored 99, but still, the idea...
The average margin of victory (44 pts) was, I think, second all time to the 1956 team led by Bill Russell. That team won by an average of 54 per game
USA 98 Japan 40 (+58)
USA 101 Thailand 29 (+72)
USA 121 Philippines 53 (+68)
USA 85 Bulgaria 44 (+41)
USA 113 Brazil 51 (+62)
USA 85 USSR 55 (+30)
USA 101 Uruguay 38 (+63)
USA 89 USSR 55 (+34)
Brad Russ 08-05-2012, 08:23 PM Correct, in 2008, the closest any team came to THE one and only Dream Team was 32 points... that would be Croatia in the Gold Medal Game (earlier in the tournament the USA beat Croatia by 33).
The USA team was pitiful against Lithuania, shooting only 44% from the field (including 10-33 from downtown).
On the 92 team, only Christian Laettner (45.0%) and Michael Jordan (45.1%) shot under 50% from the field during the tournament. Barkley shot 71% from the field and was the best player on the USA team.
Here are the 1992 scores:
I
USA 116 Angola 48 (+68)
USA 103 Croatia 70 (+33)
USA 111 Germany 68 (+43)
USA 127 Brazil 83 (+44)
USA 122 Spain 81 (+41)
USA 115 Puerto Rico 77 (+38)
USA 127 Lithuania 76 (+51)
USA 117 Croatia 85 (+32)
To win a game by only 5 points, and to be held under 100, is embarrassing. Yeah, I know they scored 99, but still, the idea...
The average margin of victory (44 pts) was, I think, second all time to the 1956 team led by Bill Russell. That team won by an average of 54 per game
USA 98 Japan 40 (+58)
USA 101 Thailand 29 (+72)
USA 121 Philippines 53 (+68)
USA 85 Bulgaria 44 (+41)
USA 113 Brazil 51 (+62)
USA 85 USSR 55 (+30)
USA 101 Uruguay 38 (+63)
USA 89 USSR 55 (+34)
Thanks so much for providing all these statistics. Very interesting putting each team side by side like that, and micro comparing them. I find it absolutely amazing that only two players on the Dream Team shot under 50%. Very surprised too that Michael Jordan was one of them. I would have expected him to have shot well over 50%. That says alot about how good those players from the 1992 team were though, they were just unguardable apparantely.
Some players on the current team brought up the fact that the Lithuania team has been playing together for years, and used that as an excuse as to why the game was so close, but I don't buy it. Sure, experience and chemistry is huge, but if you put the two teams side by side, there's no way that Lithuania should have been able to give us a run for our money. I wouldn't care if they played together for 10 years. No excuse as far as I'm concerned.
Good point you brought up too about how the 1992 team played together as a team for a far shorter period of time then the current team has played together. Had the Dream Team been playing together for as long as the current team has, that 44 point average margin of victory, more than likely would have been 60+ point margins of victory. The fact that they did what they did in such short time together, against teams who were together for far longer, makes it all that much more impressive!
Thanks for the insight, and for all the stats you provided Tweety. As always, I enjoyed reading what you had to say.
TVFactFan 08-05-2012, 09:36 PM Thanks so much for providing all these statistics. Very interesting putting each team side by side like that, and micro comparing them. I find it absolutely amazing that only two players on the Dream Team shot under 50%. Very surprised too that Michael Jordan was one of them. I would have expected him to have shot well over 50%. That says alot about how good those players from the 1992 team were though, they were just unguardable apparantely.
Some players on the current team brought up the fact that the Lithuania team has been playing together for years, and used that as an excuse as to why the game was so close, but I don't buy it. Sure, experience and chemistry is huge, but if you put the two teams side by side, there's no way that Lithuania should have been able to give us a run for our money. I wouldn't care if they played together for 10 years. No excuse as far as I'm concerned.
Good point you brought up too about how the 1992 team played together as a team for a far shorter period of time then the current team has played together. Had the Dream Team been playing together for as long as the current team has, that 44 point average margin of victory, more than likely would have been 60+ point margins of victory. The fact that they did what they did in such short time together, against teams who were together for far longer, makes it all that much more impressive!
Thanks for the insight, and for all the stats you provided Tweety. As always, I enjoyed reading what you had to say.
Brad NBATV showed the highlights tonight and Lithinuina was winning by 4 with 5 mins left in the 4th qtr. And then the USA team was up by 1 with 2 mins left
So it looks like you were right and couldn't show the highlights until it was aied everywhere
Brad Russ 08-06-2012, 03:15 AM Brad NBATV showed the highlights tonight and Lithinuina was winning by 4 with 5 mins left in the 4th qtr. And then the USA team was up by 1 with 2 mins left
So it looks like you were right and couldn't show the highlights until it was aied everywhere
It's amazing to me that we were losing that deep into the fourth quarter. If not for Lebron going into superman mode in the last few minutes, we probably would have lost.
Yeah, I believe London is about 8 hours or so ahead of us, so unfortunately we don't get to see any of the events live. That's why when the news is on and it's the sportscast, they say if you don't want to know who won, turn down the volume before they announce it. I hate watching the news during the Olympics. I like to see who wins by watching the event. So hard to do though when there is an eight hour delay.
TVFactFan 08-06-2012, 05:34 PM It's amazing to me that we were losing that deep into the fourth quarter. If not for Lebron going into superman mode in the last few minutes, we probably would have lost.
Yeah, I believe London is about 8 hours or so ahead of us, so unfortunately we don't get to see any of the events live. That's why when the news is on and it's the sportscast, they say if you don't want to know who won, turn down the volume before they announce it. I hate watching the news during the Olympics. I like to see who wins by watching the event. So hard to do though when there is an eight hour delay.
That game ended any debate of whether the 2012 team would beat the 1992 team
Tweety 08-06-2012, 09:58 PM Thanks so much for providing all these statistics. Very interesting putting each team side by side like that, and micro comparing them. I find it absolutely amazing that only two players on the Dream Team shot under 50%. Very surprised too that Michael Jordan was one of them. I would have expected him to have shot well over 50%. That says alot about how good those players from the 1992 team were though, they were just unguardable apparantely.
Some players on the current team brought up the fact that the Lithuania team has been playing together for years, and used that as an excuse as to why the game was so close, but I don't buy it. Sure, experience and chemistry is huge, but if you put the two teams side by side, there's no way that Lithuania should have been able to give us a run for our money. I wouldn't care if they played together for 10 years. No excuse as far as I'm concerned.
Good point you brought up too about how the 1992 team played together as a team for a far shorter period of time then the current team has played together. Had the Dream Team been playing together for as long as the current team has, that 44 point average margin of victory, more than likely would have been 60+ point margins of victory. The fact that they did what they did in such short time together, against teams who were together for far longer, makes it all that much more impressive!
Thanks for the insight, and for all the stats you provided Tweety. As always, I enjoyed reading what you had to say.
Jordan actually shot exactly 50% from the field on two-point attempts, but his percentage dropped like a rock when he shot from downtown. Jordan was 47 for 94 on two pointers, but was only 4 for 19 (21%) on threes. Jordan was never a good three point shooter to begin with, even in the NBA, except for a couple of years when David Stern moved the 3 point line in, specifically to help Jordan's game.
Jordan also took far more shots than anyone else on the 92 team, 113. Barkley took the 2nd most shots, with 83. But Barkley shot 71%, including 7 of 8 from downtown. (Drexler was 3rd, with 64 FGA).
I don't buy the argument either about Lithuania playing together for as long as they have, but that's because I saw the 1992 team. You either know how to play basketball, or you don't. Those guys knew how to play the game...all of them.
Another bit of trivia: The USA men's teams are 122-5 all time in Olympic play (Prior to 2012)... their only losses were the following:
1972 - lost gold medal game to Russia, most controversial ending in basketball history (Olympic or otherwise). Total B.S. calls, they lost 51-50
1988 - Lost (again to the Soviets) in semi finals, then won the bronze medal game to finish that tournament at 7-1
2004 - Lost THREE games (more than all other Olympics combined up to that time). USA was 5-3 in the 2004 games. What a disgrace.
The 2004 team had Carmelo Anthony, Carlos Boooooozer, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Lebron, Richard Jefferson, Stephon Marbury, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Emeka Okafor, Amare Stoudemire and Dwyane Wade. And they lost 3 games. They averaged 88 pts per game and gave up 84.
They lost to Puerto Rico 92-73 in the first game that year. They later lost to Lithuania and Argentina.
Basketball has been an official Olympic Sport since 1936. The USA won gold (and went undefeated) in every Olympics except '72, '88 and 2004. The loss in 72 broke a 63-game Olympic winning streak.
There were no Olympics in 1940 or 1944, and the USA boycotted the 1980 games.
Brad Russ 08-07-2012, 02:46 AM That game ended any debate of whether the 2012 team would beat the 1992 team
I think what the Lithuania game did more then anything is give the other teams hope. I got the sense that the teams before the Lithuania game went into their game with us already defeated. They didn't think they had a chance. Now I think they will look at the Lithuania game and say I guess they are beatable afterall. I definitely don't see many more 45+ point wins for us from here on out.
Brad Russ 08-07-2012, 11:12 AM Jordan actually shot exactly 50% from the field on two-point attempts, but his percentage dropped like a rock when he shot from downtown. Jordan was 47 for 94 on two pointers, but was only 4 for 19 (21%) on threes. Jordan was never a good three point shooter to begin with, even in the NBA, except for a couple of years when David Stern moved the 3 point line in, specifically to help Jordan's game.
Jordan also took far more shots than anyone else on the 92 team, 113. Barkley took the 2nd most shots, with 83. But Barkley shot 71%, including 7 of 8 from downtown. (Drexler was 3rd, with 64 FGA).
I don't buy the argument either about Lithuania playing together for as long as they have, but that's because I saw the 1992 team. You either know how to play basketball, or you don't. Those guys knew how to play the game...all of them.
Another bit of trivia: The USA men's teams are 122-5 all time in Olympic play (Prior to 2012)... their only losses were the following:
1972 - lost gold medal game to Russia, most controversial ending in basketball history (Olympic or otherwise). Total B.S. calls, they lost 51-50
1988 - Lost (again to the Soviets) in semi finals, then won the bronze medal game to finish that tournament at 7-1
2004 - Lost THREE games (more than all other Olympics combined up to that time). USA was 5-3 in the 2004 games. What a disgrace.
The 2004 team had Carmelo Anthony, Carlos Boooooozer, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Lebron, Richard Jefferson, Stephon Marbury, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Emeka Okafor, Amare Stoudemire and Dwyane Wade. And they lost 3 games. They averaged 88 pts per game and gave up 84.
They lost to Puerto Rico 92-73 in the first game that year. They later lost to Lithuania and Argentina.
Basketball has been an official Olympic Sport since 1936. The USA won gold (and went undefeated) in every Olympics except '72, '88 and 2004. The loss in 72 broke a 63-game Olympic winning streak.
There were no Olympics in 1940 or 1944, and the USA boycotted the 1980 games.
Wow, when I read that Barkley was 7/8 from beyond the arc, I had to do a double take. I thought I read that wrong. I don't recall Sir Charles being known for his three point shooting abilities, so that's an eye popping statistic. Yeah, Jordan was never really known for his great three point shooting ability, one of his very few weaknesses.
The 1972 loss was a total abomination. I saw a documentary awhile back called 48 minutes and two seconds, or something to that effect. How those Soviet players can sit there with a straight face and call the U.S. team sore losers, and say that they won fair and square when there is video evidence that says otherwise, is just shameful. Them saying that, would be like someone saying that it is raining when the sun is shining, and there isn't a cloud in the sky. The fact is, two or three seconds were magically added to the game, and it was in those added seconds that the Soviets "won". I don't blame the U.S. team for not accepting the silver medals. Why would you accept the medals of the second best, if you were the best?
I also watched every game that the 1992 team played, and was in awe. It's actually hard for me to say "game" with a straight face, because in reality it was more like an exhibition. Like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. I actually got to see many of the games on the big screen at the dog track where my dad worked as an usher. I still can recall the men their making bets, and wagers on how much the Dream Team would win by. I was such a big fan of that team, that my dad even bought me a dream team shirt for my birthday that year, which I might even still have today. Great memories!
That 2004 team was an utter embarrassment! I remember watching, and at one point I remember the players from one team laughing as they were beating us, and our players looking like they were looking for rocks to crawl under. This, I think was a huge wake up call for the U.S. to put their egos to the side, and stop worrying so much about their individual games, and start thinking more as a team, like the rest of the world does. Looking back, I'm actually glad we got humiliated, because I think it was a much needed wake up call for them.
Thanks again for the insight, and all the great statistics. I'm actually curious what you think about this. Do you think Chris Mullin should have been on that team, or do you think someone else was more worthy of that spot? I know he had a great season that year, and had a few more great season, but I always thought a player making the Olympic team should be based on a players overall work, and not just a few great seasons. Mullin had a long career, but had only five great seasons. The rest were just pretty good. That is why I don't think he is HOF worthy. I don't think five great seasons is enough for a man who had a 16 year career.
TVFactFan 08-07-2012, 06:52 PM Wow, when I read that Barkley was 7/8 from beyond the arc, I had to do a double take. I thought I read that wrong. I don't recall Sir Charles being known for his three point shooting abilities, so that's an eye popping statistic. Yeah, Jordan was never really known for his great three point shooting ability, one of his very few weaknesses.
The 1972 loss was a total abomination. I saw a documentary awhile back called 48 minutes and two seconds, or something to that effect. How those Soviet players can sit there with a straight face and call the U.S. team sore losers, and say that they won fair and square when there is video evidence that says otherwise, is just shameful. Them saying that, would be like someone saying that it is raining when the sun is shining, and there isn't a cloud in the sky. The fact is, two or three seconds were magically added to the game, and it was in those added seconds that the Soviets "won". I don't blame the U.S. team for not accepting the silver medals. Why would you accept the medals of the second best, if you were the best?
I also watched every game that the 1992 team played, and was in awe. It's actually hard for me to say "game" with a straight face, because in reality it was more like an exhibition. Like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. I actually got to see many of the games on the big screen at the dog track where my dad worked as an usher. I still can recall the men their making bets, and wagers on how much the Dream Team would win by. I was such a big fan of that team, that my dad even bought me a dream team shirt for my birthday that year, which I might even still have today. Great memories!
That 2004 team was an utter embarrassment! I remember watching, and at one point I remember the players from one team laughing as they were beating us, and our players looking like they were looking for rocks to crawl under. This, I think was a huge wake up call for the U.S. to put their egos to the side, and stop worrying so much about their individual games, and start thinking more as a team, like the rest of the world does. Looking back, I'm actually glad we got humiliated, because I think it was a much needed wake up call for them.
Thanks again for the insight, and all the great statistics. I'm actually curious what you think about this. Do you think Chris Mullin should have been on that team, or do you think someone else was more worthy of that spot? I know he had a great season that year, and had a few more great season, but I always thought a player making the Olympic team should be based on a players overall work, and not just a few great seasons. Mullin had a long career, but had only five great seasons. The rest were just pretty good. That is why I don't think he is HOF worthy. I don't think five great seasons is enough for a man who had a 16 year career.
Chris Mullin was my favorite player in highschool and I always tried to play like him and could never do it:lol:
hawkeye123 08-07-2012, 11:44 PM Wow, when I read that Barkley was 7/8 from beyond the arc, I had to do a double take. I thought I read that wrong. I don't recall Sir Charles being known for his three point shooting abilities, so that's an eye popping statistic. Yeah, Jordan was never really known for his great three point shooting ability, one of his very few weaknesses.
The 1972 loss was a total abomination. I saw a documentary awhile back called 48 minutes and two seconds, or something to that effect. How those Soviet players can sit there with a straight face and call the U.S. team sore losers, and say that they won fair and square when there is video evidence that says otherwise, is just shameful. Them saying that, would be like someone saying that it is raining when the sun is shining, and there isn't a cloud in the sky. The fact is, two or three seconds were magically added to the game, and it was in those added seconds that the Soviets "won". I don't blame the U.S. team for not accepting the silver medals. Why would you accept the medals of the second best, if you were the best?
I also watched every game that the 1992 team played, and was in awe. It's actually hard for me to say "game" with a straight face, because in reality it was more like an exhibition. Like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. I actually got to see many of the games on the big screen at the dog track where my dad worked as an usher. I still can recall the men their making bets, and wagers on how much the Dream Team would win by. I was such a big fan of that team, that my dad even bought me a dream team shirt for my birthday that year, which I might even still have today. Great memories!
That 2004 team was an utter embarrassment! I remember watching, and at one point I remember the players from one team laughing as they were beating us, and our players looking like they were looking for rocks to crawl under. This, I think was a huge wake up call for the U.S. to put their egos to the side, and stop worrying so much about their individual games, and start thinking more as a team, like the rest of the world does. Looking back, I'm actually glad we got humiliated, because I think it was a much needed wake up call for them.
Thanks again for the insight, and all the great statistics. I'm actually curious what you think about this. Do you think Chris Mullin should have been on that team, or do you think someone else was more worthy of that spot? I know he had a great season that year, and had a few more great season, but I always thought a player making the Olympic team should be based on a players overall work, and not just a few great seasons. Mullin had a long career, but had only five great seasons. The rest were just pretty good. That is why I don't think he is HOF worthy. I don't think five great seasons is enough for a man who had a 16 year career.
Charles Barkley could easily get hot from anywhere on the floor. I have seen him score 7 3pointers in a game on numerous occasions. He wasn't Reggie Miller from behind the arch, But once in the zone. There was absolutely no stopping Barkley. Jordan and Barkley we're pretty much the best there has ever been. Yes, I for sure think Mullin should have been on the team. I think 11 of those guys are the best ever. There was only a question of a 12th man to me. My fav would have been Hakeem, but they we’re obviously stacked at center. So, I guess it should have been Dominique Wilkins.
TVFactFan 08-07-2012, 11:49 PM Charles Barkley could easily get hot from anywhere on the floor. I have seen him score 7 3pointers in a game on numerous occasions. He wasn't Reggie Miller from behind the arch, But once in the zone. There was absolutely no stopping Barkley. Jordan and Barkley we're pretty much the best there has ever been. Yes, I for sure think Mullin should have been on the team. I think 11 of those guys are the best ever. There was only a question of a 12th man to me. My fav would have been Hakeem, but they we’re obviously stacked at center. So, I guess it should have been Dominique Wilkins.
Yeah Dominique was still averaging 30 pts a game at the time the dream team was formed in 1992
Brad Russ 08-08-2012, 09:49 PM Chris Mullin was my favorite player in highschool and I always tried to play like him and could never do it:lol:
Oh, I totally agree with you both, I was a huge Mullin fan too. At one time, he was a great player, and I always enjoyed watching him as well. Thanks for the opinions everyone!
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