View Full Version : This summer is 'what global warming looks like'


retrofan05
07-07-2012, 04:43 PM
By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer – 4 days ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Is it just freakish weather or something more? Climate scientists suggest that if you want a glimpse of some of the worst of global warming, take a look at U.S. weather in recent weeks.

Horrendous wildfires. Oppressive heat waves. Devastating droughts. Flooding from giant deluges. And a powerful freak wind storm called a derecho.

These are the kinds of extremes experts have predicted will come with climate change, although it's far too early to say that is the cause. Nor will they say global warming is the reason 3,215 daily high temperature records were set in the month of June.

Scientifically linking individual weather events to climate change takes intensive study, complicated mathematics, computer models and lots of time. Sometimes it isn't caused by global warming. Weather is always variable; freak things happen.

And this weather has been local. Europe, Asia and Africa aren't having similar disasters now, although they've had their own extreme events in recent years.

But since at least 1988, climate scientists have warned that climate change would bring, in general, increased heat waves, more droughts, more sudden downpours, more widespread wildfires and worsening storms. In the United States, those extremes are happening here and now.

So far this year, more than 2.1 million acres have burned in wildfires, more than 113 million people in the U.S. were in areas under extreme heat advisories last Friday, two-thirds of the country is experiencing drought, and earlier in June, deluges flooded Minnesota and Florida.

"This is what global warming looks like at the regional or personal level," said Jonathan Overpeck, professor of geosciences and atmospheric sciences at the University of Arizona. "The extra heat increases the odds of worse heat waves, droughts, storms and wildfire. This is certainly what I and many other climate scientists have been warning about."

Kevin Trenberth, head of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in fire-charred Colorado, said these are the very record-breaking conditions he has said would happen, but many people wouldn't listen. So it's I told-you-so time, he said.

As recently as March, a special report an extreme events and disasters by the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change warned of "unprecedented extreme weather and climate events." Its lead author, Chris Field of the Carnegie Institution and Stanford University, said Monday, "It's really dramatic how many of the patterns that we've talked about as the expression of the extremes are hitting the U.S. right now."

"What we're seeing really is a window into what global warming really looks like," said Princeton University geosciences and international affairs professor Michael Oppenheimer. "It looks like heat. It looks like fires. It looks like this kind of environmental disasters."

Oppenheimer said that on Thursday. That was before the East Coast was hit with triple-digit temperatures and before a derecho — a large, powerful and long-lasting straight-line wind storm — blew from Chicago to Washington. The storm and its aftermath killed more than 20 people and left millions without electricity. Experts say it had energy readings five times that of normal thunderstorms.

Fueled by the record high heat, this was among the strongest of this type of storm in the region in recent history, said research meteorologist Harold Brooks of the National Severe Storm Laboratory in Norman, Okla. Scientists expect "non-tornadic wind events" like this one and other thunderstorms to increase with climate change because of the heat and instability, he said.

Such patterns haven't happened only in the past week or two. The spring and winter in the U.S. were the warmest on record and among the least snowy, setting the stage for the weather extremes to come, scientists say.

Since Jan. 1, the United States has set more than 40,000 hot temperature records, but fewer than 6,000 cold temperature records, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Through most of last century, the U.S. used to set cold and hot records evenly, but in the first decade of this century America set two hot records for every cold one, said Jerry Meehl, a climate extreme expert at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. This year the ratio is about 7 hot to 1 cold. Some computer models say that ratio will hit 20-to-1 by midcentury, Meehl said.

"In the future you would expect larger, longer more intense heat waves and we've seen that in the last few summers," NOAA Climate Monitoring chief Derek Arndt said.

The 100-degree heat, drought, early snowpack melt and beetles waking from hibernation early to strip trees all combined to set the stage for the current unusual spread of wildfires in the West, said University of Montana ecosystems professor Steven Running, an expert on wildfires.

While at least 15 climate scientists told The Associated Press that this long hot U.S. summer is consistent with what is to be expected in global warming, history is full of such extremes, said John Christy at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. He's a global warming skeptic who says, "The guilty party in my view is Mother Nature."

But the vast majority of mainstream climate scientists, such as Meehl, disagree: "This is what global warming is like, and we'll see more of this as we go into the future."

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Mr. Television
07-07-2012, 04:55 PM
Well it's 101 outside right now. If I didn't have an a/c, It would be like sitting in an oven. lol

Retro4Life
07-07-2012, 05:02 PM
Heat index here is 115 degrees. Thank heavens for pizza and the internet!

retrofan05
07-07-2012, 05:59 PM
107 without heat index here. I have no idea what it would be with the heat index!

Mr. Television
07-07-2012, 06:54 PM
It's getting cooler out. It's 99. Heat index is 105.

*ROGER*
07-07-2012, 11:06 PM
94 degrees where I am. I HATE summer.

Mr. Television
07-07-2012, 11:18 PM
It's getting cold outside. It's 91 degrees with the heat index at 98 at 11 at night. lol

tiredmike59
07-07-2012, 11:25 PM
It got up to 108 here today, Now we are having weird storms that are moving east to west with no rain but are creating " Micro bursts " that come straight down and produce 60 mile an hour winds. I wonder what other surprises this heat will bring us ?

Fleet
07-07-2012, 11:30 PM
It's not "global warming." It's known as summer. The 1930s dustbowl in the midwest had much higher temperatures. For example, 121 degrees in Kansas and 120 degrees in South Dakota, both in 1936.

tiredmike59
07-08-2012, 12:03 AM
It's not "global warming." It's known as summer. The 1930s dustbowl in the midwest had much higher temperatures. For example, 121 degrees in Kansas and 120 degrees in South Dakota, both in 1936.
Old relatives of mine told me about the dust bowl, that had to of been like Hell. There are some interesting pictures of those dust storms on Wikipedia.

retrofan05
07-08-2012, 12:15 AM
It got up to 108 here today, Now we are having weird storms that are moving east to west with no rain but are creating " Micro bursts " that come straight down and produce 60 mile an hour winds. I wonder what other surprises this heat will bring us ?

Weird. Wonder if that's headed my way?

tiredmike59
07-08-2012, 12:24 AM
Weird. Wonder if that's headed my way?
Are you in southern Illinois ?

Fleet
07-08-2012, 12:30 AM
Old relatives of mine told me about the dust bowl, that had to of been like Hell. There are some interesting pictures of those dust storms on Wikipedia.
It was bad. Heat and a drought.

hawkeye123
07-08-2012, 02:17 AM
It has been really hot here latley too.Low 90s and high 80s and it's supposed to stay that way.For the forseeable future.We only get weather like this 2 or 3 months out of the year though.For the most part.Weather where i live is snow and rain.

retrofan05
07-08-2012, 09:48 AM
Are you in southern Illinois ?

Western.

Tweety
07-08-2012, 03:54 PM
We need to send Algore to some of these places...every time that idiot goes somewhere to warn us about global warming, they get record cold temperatures. Never fails.

Mr. Television
07-08-2012, 04:03 PM
We need to send Algore to some of these places...every time that idiot goes somewhere to warn us about global warming, they get record cold temperatures. Never fails.
I wonder if he will come to my home? I'm having spare ribs today. lol

jasonbigley
07-09-2012, 12:54 AM
I live in New York State and it has been HOT HOT HOT here. We have had temps of 94, 92, 95, 96, 98, and 90 and so on. Our grass is getting very dry and brown. When I step over it in my yard, it makes a crunch sound that is how dry it is. I am going to have to get an A/C very soon. Our winter was VERY mild. I think we had one little snow storm this year and that is all the snow we had.

retrofan05
07-09-2012, 10:32 AM
We need to send Algore to some of these places...every time that idiot goes somewhere to warn us about global warming, they get record cold temperatures. Never fails.

Global Warming isn't just about high temperatures, it also involves extreme weather and that includes record low temperatures among other things.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/expect-more-extreme-winters-thanks-to-global-warming-say-scientists-2168418.html

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/understanding-the-effects-of-climate-change-and-gl.html

Fleet
07-09-2012, 04:06 PM
Global Warming isn't just about high temperatures, it also involves extreme weather and that includes record low temperatures among other things.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/expect-more-extreme-winters-thanks-to-global-warming-say-scientists-2168418.html

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/understanding-the-effects-of-climate-change-and-gl.html
It's not called Global Warming anymore. It's now referred to as "Climate Change" (which is a natural occurrence; if the climate didn't change, that would be abnormal).

Data has shown there has been a slight cooling since 1998. Also, back in the '70s, magazines like Time and Newsweek were warning of an upcoming ice age! Don't believe everything you read!

retrofan05
07-09-2012, 04:59 PM
It's not called Global Warming anymore. It's now referred to as "Climate Change" (which is a natural occurrence; if the climate didn't change, that would be abnormal).

Data has shown there has been a slight cooling since 1998. Also, back in the '70s, magazines like Time and Newsweek were warning of an upcoming ice age! Don't believe everything you read!

Global warming and climate change are two separate occurences. Global warming refers to rising global temperatures, while climate change refers to changes in climate, such as in weather patterns. I admit that I do read up on the topic and I do tend to agree with research done by scientists. However, for me, it's not just a matter of believing what you read, it's also about getting outside and seeing and feeling what is happening for myself.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm

Tweety
07-09-2012, 07:08 PM
Global warming and climate change are two separate occurences. Global warming refers to rising global temperatures, while climate change refers to changes in climate, such as in weather patterns. I admit that I do read up on the topic and I do tend to agree with research done by scientists. However, for me, it's not just a matter of believing what you read, it's also about getting outside and seeing and feeling what is happening for myself.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm


You obviously missed the great coming ice age hoax in the mid-70s...oh, it was all over Time and Newsweek. Yup, "scientists" everywhere tried to panic us with that stuff. Couldn't get away from it.

Too bad it never happened. But that's "science" for you.

Even seemingly simple things such as precipitation and cloud cover play into global temperatures, but there's not a computer model out there that can accurately replicate those two factors.

And of course, there are a lot of morons out there who think 20 or 30 years worth of data is actually significant. It isn't. Not when you're looking at thousands or millions of years of climate cycles.

Incidentally, by "getting outside and seeing and feeling what is happening for yourself", you're basically relying on memory to decide if global warming/climate change is happening. Not a reliable indicator.

retrofan05
07-09-2012, 07:54 PM
You obviously missed the great coming ice age hoax in the mid-70s...oh, it was all over Time and Newsweek. Yup, "scientists" everywhere tried to panic us with that stuff. Couldn't get away from it.

Too bad it never happened. But that's "science" for you.

Most scientists didn't believe the Ice Age theory. That was blown out of proportion by the media. In reality, the majority of scientists still supported the idea of global warming. It was the media that was trying to scare us, not scientists. When it comes to science, the media tends to publish stories with the biggest shock factor, regardless of whether or not the majority of scientists have come to a general consensus.

Tweety
07-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Most scientists didn't believe the Ice Age theory. That was blown out of proportion by the media. In reality, the majority of scientists still supported the idea of global warming. It was the media that was trying to scare us, not scientists. When it comes to science, the media tends to publish stories with the biggest shock factor, regardless of whether or not the majority of scientists have come to a general consensus.

Science is not about consensus. Something is either true, or it isn't true. Science is not about polls.

Water doesn't boil at 212 degrees because most scientists believe that it does. It boils at 212 degrees because it boils at 212 degrees. Period.

If it involves consensus, it ain't science. Global warming is all about consensus, not scientific facts.

Fleet
07-10-2012, 12:29 AM
Global warming and climate change are two separate occurences. Global warming refers to rising global temperatures, while climate change refers to changes in climate, such as in weather patterns. I admit that I do read up on the topic and I do tend to agree with research done by scientists. However, for me, it's not just a matter of believing what you read, it's also about getting outside and seeing and feeling what is happening for myself.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm
Well, you are correct. They are two separate things. One is a scam and the other isn't! ;)