If you could catch any of the criminals portrayed on UM and decide their punishment, even the punishment of the ones who were caught; no matter what it is, how would you see them punished?

You need to name the person and what they did.

I can't remember her name, but the girl who was boating one day and another boat ran into her and tore her face apart, then stopped for a second to look at her, then took off real fast. I don't suppose they ever caught that scum, but I would like to catch them and rip their face off, and show them how it feels.

That is the Stephanie Booker case. To my knowledge, the people who did this have not been caught. There is rumor that Dennis Rodman's entourage may have been responsible. I don't think I would take it into my own hands, I'd let the law punish them.

Out of all the UM episodes I've seen, after reading more about Edward Harold Bell, that ********* needs to die. Slowly and painfully.

Out of all the UM episodes I've seen, after reading more about Edward Harold Bell, that ********* needs to die. Slowly and painfully.
I agree. Bell is another one that needs to die.

In the case of the little boys who burned alive in the fire [Scott Johnson and Peter Hill] in Bullhead City, I would sentence their murderers to death by fire in the same shed.

.....And this is exactly why we have a legal system. I can't imagine a country in which the state stoops down to exact the same heinousness on the guilty that they inflict on their victims or where individuals are allowed to pursue vigilante justice.

Regardless of the uncivilized behavior of some of its members, I'm pretty glad I live in, well, a civilized society in which cruel and unusual punishment is prohibited. Even deep down inside and within the confines of a hypothetical situation, I still wouldn't choose to inflict on the perpetrators what they've done to their victims. There's already enough violence in the world.

.....And this is exactly why we have a legal system. I can't imagine a country in which the state stoops down to exact the same heinousness on the guilty that they inflict on their victims or where individuals are allowed to pursue vigilante justice.

Regardless of the uncivilized behavior of some of its members, I'm pretty glad I live in, well, a civilized society in which cruel and unusual punishment is prohibited. Even deep down inside and within the confines of a hypothetical situation, I still wouldn't choose to inflict on the perpetrators what they've done to their victims. There's already enough violence in the world.

The philosophy against the death penalty isn't that killing a killer is wrong [albeit perhaps hypocritical in some sense] but rather that the power gets abused. No one should be sad that Ted Bundy was put to death, the problem is that there is a potential for innocent people to be executed, hence the reason why the death penalty is bad.

We simply can't give the power to the state to burn suspected/convicted murderers alive because the power would invariably be abused, so it is a good thing the state does not have that power. With that said, in a perfect world where the power would never be abused, we could [and in my view, should] enact such punishment. It's just that the power would be abused, hence the need for more civility in law.

The philosophy against the death penalty isn't that killing a killer is wrong [albeit perhaps hypocritical in some sense] but rather that the power gets abused. No one should be sad that Ted Bundy was put to death, the problem is that there is a potential for innocent people to be executed, hence the reason why the death penalty is bad.

I don't recall making a death penalty argument.

We simply can't give the power to the state to burn suspected/convicted murderers alive because the power would invariably be abused, so it is a good thing the state does not have that power. With that said, in a perfect world where the power would never be abused, we could [and in my view, should] enact such punishment. It's just that the power would be abused, hence the need for more civility in law.

I do not share that sentiment in the least. Moreover, I imagine there is no need for criminal penance of any sort in a perfect world to begin with.

That is all.

I don't recall making a death penalty argument.

You did not, but it would appear that those of us who would want scum like Robert Anthony Jones [Kari Lynn Nixon's killer] to be brutally raped, tortured, and murdered as punishment are not averse to the death penalty. Our desired form of punishment only differs in degree to methods such as the electric chair.

I do not share that sentiment in the least. Moreover, I imagine there is no need for criminal penance of any sort in a perfect world to begin with.

That is all.

In every system where the state has had the power to brutalize and murder its people, it has happened, so I realize that we cannot have a system that allows it. That said, I do think things are too lax, at least here in Canada. For example, Robert Linklater's 59th conviction was for murder. Perhaps a "three strikes, you're out" policy is excessive but how about a "30 strikes, you're out"? Seriously, you can practically get away with murder here. Drug "crime" and prostitution is one thing - adults consenting to activity with one another is not "crime" - but violence against people and their property? As said, it is far too lax here and I only dream of the day when the justice system becomes tougher.

Moreover, I imagine there is no need for criminal penance of any sort in a perfect world to begin with.

Rather than perfect world, perhaps it would have been more appropriate for me to say "in a world where legal authority is not abused".

That said, I do think things are too lax, at least here in Canada. For example, Robert Linklater's 59th conviction was for murder. Perhaps a "three strikes, you're out" policy is excessive but how about a "30 strikes, you're out"? Seriously, you can practically get away with murder here. Drug "crime" and prostitution is one thing - adults consenting to activity with one another is not "crime" - but violence against people and their property? As said, it is far too lax here and I only dream of the day when the justice system becomes tougher.

I don't know much about the Canadian legal system. When it comes to criminal law, are things like "mandatory parole" and that kind of thing putting people on the street that shouldn't be?

I don't know much about the Canadian legal system. When it comes to criminal law, are things like "mandatory parole" and that kind of thing putting people on the street that shouldn't be?

All the time. I know two people with over 30 violent charges who are still getting only weeks to months in jail for further assaults. It's appalling. The murderer below had nearly 30 violent convictions before receiving a lowly sentence of six years for manslaughter:

http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/8181/Victim-%22tortured%22-Loon-trial-jury-told
http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/65953/Six-years

Read the comments on the second article. And thanks to Gladue legislation, Aboriginal murderers get lighter sentences as stipulated by Canada's Supreme Court.

In short, if we got into an argument over this thread and I beat you with my chair and you died, I would be out free within a year. In my case, having no criminal record would make a difference but it's ridiculously lax here.

So while I dream of stricter punishment in Canada for things like rape and murder, I tend to think with my emotions when it comes to cases like some mentioned above. However, the opposite side of the spectrum is even less effective than an overly lax system and it is a good thing we live in a civilized society as you said.

Elizabeth Fuentes Ortiz, the protein shake poisoner, should be forced to watch the incredibly bad acting "That man has Jonathan" footage on a loop for all eternity. :lol:

Anna Anderson and Brushy Bill should have had to have married each other and written a book/teleplay about their adventures as being the great pretenders.

Dan "DB" Cooper should have to make PSAs about airplane evacuation procedures with that JetBlue steward who grabbed a beer and slide down the slide.

Elizabeth Fuentes Ortiz, the protein shake poisoner, should be forced to watch the incredibly bad acting "That man has Jonathan" footage on a loop for all eternity. :lol:

Yes, and then consume a "high protein amino acid milkshake" spiked with liquid insecticide.

Have you ever watched a show or movie where a topic you are very familiar with is covered and you catch a mistake which is obvious to you but was not to the writers/producers? Although I suppose the shake Robert Stack described is possible, you just rarely hear it phrased like that. :) Not bad wording for a non-bodybuilding fan though.

All the time. I know two people with over 30 violent charges who are still getting only weeks to months in jail for further assaults. It's appalling. The murderer below had nearly 30 violent convictions before receiving a lowly sentence of six years for manslaughter:

http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/8181/Victim-%22tortured%22-Loon-trial-jury-told
http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/65953/Six-years

Read the comments on the second article. And thanks to Gladue legislation, Aboriginal murderers get lighter sentences as stipulated by Canada's Supreme Court.

In short, if we got into an argument over this thread and I beat you with my chair and you died, I would be out free within a year. In my case, having no criminal record would make a difference but it's ridiculously lax here.

So while I dream of stricter punishment in Canada for things like rape and murder, I tend to think with my emotions when it comes to cases like some mentioned above. However, the opposite side of the spectrum is even less effective than an overly lax system and it is a good thing we live in a civilized society as you said.

That is enlightening. I think another hallmark of a civilized society is protection of the vulnerable. It's disappointing to hear that sentences for murder and rape are so light there. Your feelings are definitely understandable.

OT, I served with Canadian soldiers in Enduring Freedom and they are some of my favorite people in the world. Genuinely kind, down-to-earth folks. :)

Elizabeth Fuentes Ortiz, the protein shake poisoner, should be forced to watch the incredibly bad acting "That man has Jonathan" footage on a loop for all eternity. :lol:

Anna Anderson and Brushy Bill should have had to have married each other and written a book/teleplay about their adventures as being the great pretenders.

Dan "DB" Cooper should have to make PSAs about airplane evacuation procedures with that JetBlue steward who grabbed a beer and slide down the slide.

Best post ever. :lol:

That is enlightening. I think another hallmark of a civilized society is protection of the vulnerable. It's disappointing to hear that sentences for murder and rape are so light there. Your feelings are definitely understandable.

OT, I served with Canadian soldiers in Enduring Freedom and they are some of my favorite people in the world. Genuinely kind, down-to-earth folks. :)

It concerns me how lax sentencing in Canada is because I have two small children now and it's appalling to think that someone could rape and murder both of them and be out in under 20 years, easily.

I was in the Canadian military for almost five years. I think group averages can definitely be made for demographics, but the USA has a reputation in some Canadian circles for gun crime and when I try to explain to my more smug Canadian friends that over 50% of the gun crime is by African Americans they get mad at me for generalizing after they had no problem generalizing "Americans" as being trigger-happy. :rolleyes:

White Americans and White Canadians are just Europeans who took a different direction at the border. I could never understand the animosity some Canadians have about Americans as they sit on Facebook and use other American wares on a daily basis. :D

Wow. And Matt C. manages to work racism into a thread about ways to punish/torture people on unsolved mysteries. You are impressive in your one tract mindedness.

Wow. And Matt C. manages to work racism into a thread about ways to punish/torture people on unsolved mysteries. You are impressive in your one tract mindedness.

Yes, please continue to spew ad hominem and call me "racist", the intellectual equivalent of calling me a poo poo head.

Apparently the FBI is racist too:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

Don't let facts get in the way of your dogma though.

Actually, if I wanted to call you a poo poo head, I'd have just done so. Most poo poo heads I know are generally poo poo heads and don't direct their poo poo headedness at any particular group of people.

Actually, if I wanted to call you a poo poo head, I'd have just done so. Most poo poo heads I know are generally poo poo heads and don't direct their poo poo headedness at any particular group of people.

Indeed, I have known a lot of poo poo heads, and Matt C, you're no poo poo head.

You're a racist.

Indeed, I have known a lot of poo poo heads, and Matt C, you're no poo poo head.

You're a racist.

The fact that you are forced to resort to ad hominem just proves my point, which is that you are unable to refute any of my collected scholarship. Although I already knew that.

Incidentally, as the demographics in the USA continue to change and Americans now have to contend with the rise in Hispanic crime as well to add to the over one million White women who have been raped by Black men in the past 50 years, you may be surprised to learn that more people like myself and many others have no problem at all being labeled "racist". Apparently we think it's worse that over one million White women were raped as described above in addition to the massive infrastructure decay and bankrupting of entire states due to the failure of multiculturalism. But who would have guessed? Now go ahead and rebut my post, RACIST RACIST RACIST. Yes, because I actually care. :rolleyes:

If my statistics are wrong, refute them. If you can't do that, I don't care what you call me.

Indeed, I have known a lot of poo poo heads, and Matt C, you're no poo poo head.

You're a racist.

You're awesome, mozart. This made me crack up mostly because I could hear it in Lloyd Bentsen's voice and the thought of him saying "poo poo head" is hilarious.

The fact that you are forced to resort to ad hominem just proves my point, which is that you are unable to refute any of my collected scholarship. Although I already knew that.

Incidentally, as the demographics in the USA continue to change and Americans now have to contend with the rise in Hispanic crime as well to add to the over one million White women who have been raped by Black men in the past 50 years, you may be surprised to learn that more people like myself and many others have no problem at all being labeled "racist". Apparently we think it's worse that over one million White women were raped as described above in addition to the massive infrastructure decay and bankrupting of entire states due to the failure of multiculturalism. But who would have guessed? Now go ahead and rebut my post, RACIST RACIST RACIST. Yes, because I actually care. :rolleyes:

If my statistics are wrong, refute them. If you can't do that, I don't care what you call me.

Circumstances and history provide a context for statistics. I thought this was a good article that illustrates this principle using the very data we're speaking about:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/are-blacks-a-criminal-rac_b_8398.html#note9

African Americans and Hispanic Americans are Americans all the same. Crimes committed by individuals in those groups is not a "white" problem to contend with, just as it wouldn't be a "black" or "Hispanic" problem to deal with all the so-called white collar crime that is committed overwhelmingly by European Americans (and there's supplemental data to explain the "why" of that phenomenon too). It's everyone's country.

Circumstances and history provide a context for statistics. I thought this was a good article that illustrates this principle using the very data we're speaking about:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/are-blacks-a-criminal-rac_b_8398.html#note9

African Americans and Hispanic Americans are Americans all the same. Crimes committed by individuals in those groups is not a "white" problem to contend with, just as it wouldn't be a "black" or "Hispanic" problem to deal with all the so-called white collar crime that is committed overwhelmingly by European Americans (and there's supplemental data to explain the "why" of that phenomenon too). It's everyone's country.

All crime including white collar crime must be viewed in per-capita terms, not absolute terms.

While it is true that Black people get arrested more for drug crime, the context needs to be considered, i.e., the proportion of Black people who sell drugs on the streets versus those who treat it as a private matter.

From the article:

The better question for public debate is this: do the actual government statistics bear out the claim that Blacks contribute disproportionately to the crime rate? Or is this largely a stereotype, which is driven by the disproportionate rate of ARRESTS and CONVICTIONS of Black people?

Is this The Onion? Yes, African-American contribute disproportionately to crime rates and the most violent cities in the USA have the largest numbers of African-Americans as well as Hispanics. One may call me "racist" for saying this, but it is nevertheless simply an observation. Black crime rates were easily observable on UM, which is why I initially mentioned it on the board. My intention was not disrespect.

Weapons. According to the Center on Disease Control's annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, in 2001 whites and African Americans reported similar rates of carrying a weapon (whites 17.9%, African Americans 15.2%), and similar rates of carrying a gun (whites 5.5%, and African Americans, 6.5%). [10] African American youth represent 32% of all weapons arrests, and were arrested for weapons offenses at a rate twice that of whites (69 per 100,000, versus 30 per 100,000).

The issue is whether or not the weapon was used or displayed, not simply carried. If I have a gun in my pocket with no permit, it is not necessarily likely that I will get arrested for simply having it, especially if no one sees it.

Assault. According to the Center on Disease Control's annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, African Americans report being in a physical fight at a similar rate (36.5%, versus 32.5% for whites), but were arrested for aggravated assault at a rate nearly three times that of whites (137 per 100,000, versus 48 per 100,000).

Assault and aggravated assault are two separate matters. All fights are not created equal.

It's funny how none of the statistics mention the fact that Asians get arrested less for violent crime and in general enjoy socioeconomic status and education attainment levels at or above the European-American level. I suppose that doesn't fit the narrative of White people being evil and causing Black people to commit so much crime. Of course, it's always White people who are to blame.

Lastly [and I speak partly as a libertarian here], drug "crime" is a bad basis to measure crime rates. The "gold standard" would be homicide [dead bodies do not lie] and auto theft [each stolen car is reported to the insurance company] and racial crime disparities are the same for these crimes. Note that Asians consistently commit very little crime which is inconsistent with the notion - or perhaps I should say agenda to portray - that the USA is a racist country against non-Whites.

As for police racial profiling, arrest rates match rape victim suspect descriptions. E.g., the percentage of Black men arrested for rape is equal to the number of Black men said to have been the rapists by the rape victims. So unless someone is suggesting the that rape victims are lying about the race of their attacker, it is safe to say that police do not profile. They simply arrest the suspects as per the attacker's description.

Racial disparities in crime exist irrespective of poverty levels. Poverty is in fact grossly insufficient in predicting crime; it doesn't come close. The best mathematical predictors of crime are gender, followed by age and race. In short, young men commit the most crime and that should be a relatively uncontroversial statement to make. So unless someone is saying that I discriminate against my own demographic, I think it's safe to say I am being sincere.

It's one thing to have somewhat of an ethnic status quo in the USA and treat people of all races and religions who are already here with respect. It is another thing entirely to essentially biologically replace people of European heritage with non-European immigrants while deracinating European-Americans and calling them "racist" for merely observing the socio-political changes such immigration policies bring. Note that people of all races in the USA typically do not want more immigration. There are frankly enough people in the USA and that is the consensus opinion.

The Japanese, Chinese, and Jews of Israel would never tolerate such policies, and rightfully so. There is nothing racist about a person standing up for their ethnic interests. Everyone in the world does it so I don't think it is bad when I do.

However, derailing threads is inappropriate and trollish and not my intention, whether my posts are factual or not. For that, I apologize.

It's one thing to have somewhat of an ethnic status quo in the USA and treat people of all races and religions who are already here with respect. It is another thing entirely to essentially biologically replace people of European heritage with non-European immigrants while deracinating European-Americans and calling them "racist" for merely observing the socio-political changes such immigration policies bring. Note that people of all races in the USA typically do not want more immigration. There are frankly enough people in the USA and that is the consensus opinion.

The Japanese, Chinese, and Jews of Israel would never tolerate such policies, and rightfully so. There is nothing racist about a person standing up for their ethnic interests. Everyone in the world does it so I don't think it is bad when I do.

However, derailing threads is inappropriate and trollish and not my intention, whether my posts are factual or not. For that, I apologize.

I figure all people are worthy of respect, no matter if they arrived here last week or how many people are already here. They're human beings.

To be honest, I've never once felt compelled to "stand up for my ethnic interests." I'm not even sure what that even means. I don't see any "war on whites" or anyone threatening to "muddy my race" or whatever. Even typing that makes me feel like a crazy old 19th century anthropologist who espouses race-as-species theories and the "virtues" of eugenics.

Maybe my fiancé and I shouldn't marry. What an unholy union that would be: Scots-Polish children! My offspring tainted with Slavic blood! (You know, there was another guy about 60 years ago that had the same idea and we all know how humane and noble that endeavor was.)

Eh, this started out as a stupid thread anyway, all the nonsensical racial talk aside.

Unless "Standing up for (my) ethnic interests" means trying to convince people that some things just don't belong on a pizza no matter how much you try and convince me (and believe me, I have seen some people put some pretty strange things on pizza: eggs, baby corn, pineapple, etc), I want no part of it. I am proud of my immigrant heritage. I am proud of my mixed ethnic and religious heritage. And I am proud that my country still allows people to come here and look for the same thing my family came looking for, a better life.

And Meg, for the love of all that is holy, do not let anyone convince your future children that haggis perogis are a good idea. :)

And Meg, for the love of all that is holy, do not let anyone convince your future children that haggis perogis are a good idea. :)

:lol:

Anyone guilty of the more heinous crimes aired throughout UM all deserve the same punishment:

Five minutes with Vic Mackey.

Oba Chandler should have been tied up and thrown over the side of a boat,IMO..and possibly more,if ya get my drift.

I think I may have hit on an awesome punishment in my comment to Meg. Haggis perogis for all of the non-violent cases featured. :)

I think I may have hit on an awesome punishment in my comment to Meg. Haggis perogis for all of the non-violent cases featured. :)

I think you're right! :)

The best mathematical predictors of crime are gender, followed by age and race.

So what is the logical conclusion to be drawn from this observation, if you are ruling context clues (like history and socioeconomic factors) as inadmissable? That increased levels of melanin in human beings darkens the skin and makes people more likely to committ homicide? Does that seem rational to you?


It's one thing to have somewhat of an ethnic status quo in the USA and treat people of all races and religions who are already here with respect. It is another thing entirely to essentially biologically replace people of European heritage with non-European immigrants...

I don't suppose you have any problem with the "biological replacement" of Native Americans by Europeans - which actually happened, by the way, as opposed to what you are describing, which is a paranoid delusion, if every Starbucks and Billy Joel concert I've ever been to is to be any guide.

I figure all people are worthy of respect, no matter if they arrived here last week or how many people are already here. They're human beings.

YES.

I don't suppose you have any problem with the "biological replacement" of Native Americans by Europeans - which actually happened, by the way, as opposed to what you are describing, which is a paranoid delusion, if every Starbucks and Billy Joel concert I've ever been to is to be any guide.


Not to mention that many Latin Americans are actually of European descent. And that a number of Africans are white. Dave Matthews? Technically an African American. So is Charlize Theron. And by emigrating to the US, Euro-Americans have already begun to racinate themselves.

When the Irish were essentially being subjected to passive genocide in the 1840s by the British (even thought technically they actually were part of the United Kingdom at the time), the United States opened their doors and took in hundreds of thousands of victims of the Great Hunger, thus saving lives that their own country had turned their back on. We are a nation of immigrants who stole this country. What right do we have to not extend the same opportunities to others?

...as opposed to what you are describing, which is a paranoid delusion, if every Starbucks and Billy Joel concert I've ever been to is to be any guide.

:lol:

In all seriousness, Matt C, did your views on propensity to commit crime based on "gender, age, and race" provide a challenge when you served in Canada's forces? I'm not trying to be provocative; I really am curious. If I had similar views, I think I'd suffer a nervous breakdown distrusting the majority of the people I work with as over 75% of the U.S. Army is male and I am a female (and an officer, where I help account for the 10% of females there). I'm not so backward to believe every male I encounter would likely rape me based on a "mathematical predictor". The vast majority of men are not rapists, just like the vast majority of human beings aren't criminals--period.

Stereotypes exist because they either enable people to be intellectually and morally lazy, or to mask real, deeply rooted hate. Only you know what you feel deep down, but God breathed life into you the exact same way He did all other human beings in the world, and He loves no one no more than He does the other.

I'd like to see someone catch the ones who murdered Dewayne McCorkendale. First, inject animal tranquilizer into their necks via a syringe. Then, take them to that very rest stop in Chandler, Oklahoma and shrink wrap them to tables at the exact spot where they shot him. When they woke up they would be seeing pictures of Dewayne and his family. Then, I would like for someone to stand over them and ask if they recognize where they are and the man in the pictures. If they say they don't remember, they would get their memories refreshed. Then, quote back to them exactly what they said over the cb radio about "we'll drive anyway we want to good buddy". And then say "well, how about this, GOOD BUDDY". Then, they get they get their lights turned out, Dexter Morgan style!

make 'em watch an Olsen Twins movie.

p.s. Is Matt C. still around?

make 'em watch an Olsen Twins movie.


OK, that was funny. :lol:

Although I don't suggest perpetrating such an act, I will admit that I sometimes fantasize hypothetical scenerios in which a given criminal connected to any given UM case, especially one who got away with an outrageous crime, has the misfortune of ending up like David O'Neil or Gordon Pratt.

David O'Neil was featured in a "special alert" segment of UM, wanted for the September 1991 murder of Canadian police officer Scott Rossiter. A few months after the crime, O'Neil's bullet-ridden body was found in a shallow grave.

Gordon Pratt is a fictional character on Homicide: Life On The Street, who shot and wounded three of the homicide detectives. He was brought in for interrogation, only to released and later shot to death.

Although one criminal was real and the other is fictional, they both had one thing in common: They both got away with committing violence against law enforcement, only to be mysteriously killed.

Malaika Griffin. Stab her with a knife and dip her in hydrochloric acid.

make 'em watch an Olsen Twins movie.

p.s. Is Matt C. still around?

1. Perfect suggestion.

2. No. He made one last post with a statement about not wanting to derail a thread with OT comments and then proceeded to do just that after having been warned about it at least twice before he was finally banned. He then decided I reported him (which I did not), so he sent me a barrage of wacked-out PMs about racial stuff for about a week afterward. It was really special.

2. No. He made one last post with a statement about not wanting to derail a thread with OT comments and then proceeded to do just that after having been warned about it at least twice before he was finally banned. He then decided I reported him (which I did not), so he sent me a barrage of wacked-out PMs about racial stuff for about a week afterward. It was really special.

Thanks for the info. He sounds like a real nutcase. I wonder if his entire post history was wiped because I can tell he posted on this thread at one point, but the posts are all gone. Kind of mind-boggling all the crap that goes on behind the scenes here (I know you know what I'm talking about.) I definitely didn't agree with everything he said, but I did enjoy looking at his avatar. I know that sounds weird, but that's the way I feel.

I have a suggestion: Strap them to the roof of a car or any other motor vehicle for that matter - Romney style! :lol:

I have a little bit of an update on Matt C that I thought some of you's might enjoy. I happened to serendipitiously stumble upon a bodybuilding website, where he's an administrator. Not just a moderator, but an administrator! He talks about UM on there a lot too, in the "politics and other stuff" board, but it seems to be completely dead over there. :lol: I guess I would have expected him to have a little more decorum here being that he was an admin elsewhere, but I guess not!

I have a little bit of an update on Matt C that I thought some of you's might enjoy. I happened to serendipitiously stumble upon a bodybuilding website, where he's an administrator. Not just a moderator, but an administrator! He talks about UM on there a lot too, in the "politics and other stuff" board, but it seems to be completely dead over there. :lol: I guess I would have expected him to have a little more decorum here being that he was an admin elsewhere, but I guess not!

I noticed that once when I was researching a case. I was perplexed why a bodybuilding website would pop up, and then immediately realized who it probably was. I'm sincerely glad he finally has an outlet where he's "free to be" instead of regularly derailing the threads here.

This might be out of line, but I can't help it. Adequate punishment: Being forced to look at Matt C's shirtless avatar (posters all over the prison cells) and converse with him on a daily basis.

This might be out of line, but I can't help it. Adequate punishment: Being forced to look at Matt C's shirtless avatar (posters all over the prison cells) and converse with him on a daily basis.

I would add having to read the full body of his "scholarship": his collection of news articles "proving" his theories. Obviously a Yale man. :p

I would drag Chad and Beverly Noe behind my car.

I would add having to read the full body of his "scholarship": his collection of news articles "proving" his theories. Obviously a Yale man. :p

I'm not sure any crime is worthy of that punishment.

I'm not sure any crime is worthy of that punishment.

:lol:

Can't we just throw Jule Caylor, the late Jim Harrison, Chad Noe, and Mark Nichols in a room full of rabid weasels and a video camera? Problem solved.

Can't we just throw Jule Caylor, the late Jim Harrison, Chad Noe, and Mark Nichols in a room full of rabid weasels and a video camera? Problem solved.

Chad Noe might be in one of his "drunken stupors", Mark Nichols is "not a violent person" and wouldn't retaliate :rolleyes:, and Jim Harrison would pass out from all the "bad language" the others would surely be screaming. Jule is a toss up--he DID work for the Forestry Service, after all. :p