Just based on what shows will be ending, which premiered to atrocious ratings, and which shows you can't possibly imagine doing well.

Free Agents (NBC)
Charlie’s Angels (NBC)
Harry’s Law (NBC)
The Playboy Club (NBC)
The Sing-Off (NBC) - Premiered to 5 +/- million
Rules of Engagement (CBS)
Whitney (NBC) - Thus year's 'Outsourced'...
Are You There Vodka, It's Me Chelsea (NBC) - D.O.A., that's my guess
Happy Endings (ABC) - Doesn't repeat well, mediocre ratings, and would need at least 3 more seasons to be profitable in syndication
Prime Suspect (NBC) - D.O.A. with 6mil and a 1.8 A18-49
How To Be A Gentleman (CBS) - This year's 'Bleep My Dad Says'...
Grimm (NBC) - No chance on Fridays. Behind 'Chuck'.
Chuck (NBC) - Final Season
Desperate Housewives (ABC) - Final Season
House (FOX) - Most likely its final season

Have I forgotten anything? What do you think? This will be updated over time.

I don't know, compared to the rest of NBC's dead lineup, The Sing Off isn't doing so bad, and held well against tough competition. It may not return as a fall series, but bringing it back in December would not be a bad idea.

I think Whitney will come back at this point too. Many may not have enjoyed it, but I liked it!

The rest of your list looks pretty good though.

I think The Sing Off will stick around for awhile given the state of NBC. ABC seems determined to make Happy Endings work but I'm not sure it ever will.

Free Agents was my pick for first cancellation of the season and I'm sticking by it. I also think How to Be a Gentleman, The Playboy Club, Man Up, and maybe Charlie's Angels will have a hard time making it to the end of the calendar year.

Commercial Television is such a farce these days. :crazy:

I hope Harry's law doesn't get canceled. I actually like that show, I'm a fan of Kathy Bates.

i think either Playboy Club or Prime Suspect will be the first to get cancelled - unless the trigger-happy FOX cans I Hate My Teenage Daughter first.

i think either Playboy Club or Prime Suspect will be the first to get cancelled - unless the trigger-happy FOX cans I Hate My Teenage Daughter first.
No way "Teenage Daughter" is the first show to be cancelled. Given its late premiere date, I'm guessing three or four shows will be cancelled by that time. If I had to guess, it'd be Free Agents, Prime Suspect, and H8R.

I see Up All Night getting cancelled

For some strange reason "Free Agents" already has a sort of cult following.

For some strange reason "Free Agents" already has a sort of cult following.

Yes, but the 3.86 million viewers that it received last week might get it pulled before Wednesday according to Alan Sepinwall and Dan Feinberg over at Hitfix, and I wouldn't be surprised. Up All Night managed 6mil, but that might be enough for the network to give it a shot on Thursday when this Wednesday comedy block crashes and burns.

For some strange reason "Free Agents" already has a sort of cult following.


Free agents is a fun show to watch, I like it. But they were really testing the waters with the inappropiate comments in the last episode

"Guy mentioning women sitting on face?

Mention of a Threesome?

I was like WOW-lol

Yes, but the 3.86 million viewers that it received last week might get it pulled before Wednesday according to Alan Sepinwall and Dan Feinberg over at Hitfix, and I wouldn't be surprised. Up All Night managed 6mil, but that might be enough for the network to give it a shot on Thursday when this Wednesday comedy block crashes and burns.



What is it to like about "UP all Night"?

I see Up All Night getting cancelled
At this point I don't see that happening. Up All Night was given the difficult task to start a new comedy block against tough competition, and it put up a 2.3 demo in the process. That beats anything on Monday, Parenthood, Community, Parks and Rec, and Prime Suspect. Right now I'd say it's in a safe spot, unless it falls below a 2.0 demo.

If its stronger than Community, why not dump Community and Free Agents on Saturdays and plug in Up All Night on Thursdays? It seems like an easy fix to me, or even bringing in a midseason comedy already. Either way, Up All Night may be renewed, and by the way, I have yet to see the show.

Up All Night is definitely not getting cancelled anytime soon. It was NBC's third highest rated show this week, managing a 2.4 on a night that's otherwise filled with dead shows walking like Free Agents and Harry's Law.

They need to forget the whole Wednesday comedy thing and move Up All Night to Thursdays at 8 to lead off the Comedy Night Done Right block. Since Prime Suspect kinda failed they should do something like this for mid-season:

8 - Up All Night
8:30 - Community
9 - The Office
9:30 - Parks & Recreation
10 - 30 Rock
10:30 - Whitney

Anyway as for cancellations, Free Agents is probably good as gone. CW's H8R looks dead on arrival too.

Up All Night is definitely not getting cancelled anytime soon. It was NBC's third highest rated show this week, managing a 2.4 on a night that's otherwise filled with dead shows walking like Free Agents and Harry's Law.

They need to forget the whole Wednesday comedy thing and move Up All Night to Thursdays at 8 to lead off the Comedy Night Done Right block. Since Prime Suspect kinda failed they should do something like this for mid-season:

8 - Up All Night
8:30 - Community
9 - The Office
9:30 - Parks & Recreation
10 - 30 Rock
10:30 - Whitney

Anyway as for cancellations, Free Agents is probably good as gone. CW's H8R looks dead on arrival too.

NBC will definitely not go the 3-hour comedy route again after the failure of last season's attempt at this. If anything, I imagine Community or Parks getting shifted to Wednesday and trading time slots with Up All Night. Either that, or 30 Rock will headline Wednesdays when it returns in January, with Up All Night moved to 8:30.

It's been five seasons... if 30 Rock isn't able to survive on another night, it doesn't deserve renewal.

Charlie’s Angels (NBC) gets my vote. I couldn't get into that at all.

NBC will definitely not go the 3-hour comedy route again after the failure of last season's attempt at this. If anything, I imagine Community or Parks getting shifted to Wednesday and trading time slots with Up All Night. Either that, or 30 Rock will headline Wednesdays when it returns in January, with Up All Night moved to 8:30.

It's been five seasons... if 30 Rock isn't able to survive on another night, it doesn't deserve renewal.
And what problems would that solve? Instead of having Up All Night doing well on Wednesday and Community/Parks getting killed on Thursdays you'd have...Up All Night doing well on Thursdays and Community/Parks getting killed on Wednesdays.

Not sure why you think the 3-hour comedy approach was a 'failure'. It got higher ratings than what they're currently getting on Thursdays & the 30 Rock/Outsourced block at 10 did better than any hour-long series they'e tried there recently. The only problems were they had 2 dead spots (Outsourced and Perfect Couples/Paul Reiser), but now they have Up All Night which is much stronger than those shows.

Moving 30 Rock to Wednesdays could work but then you still have Community and Parks on their own in the competitive 8:00 timeslot, which is the only real problem with the line-up. Those shows need a strong lead-in to do well and pairing them with Up All Night/The Office would give them that.

And what problems would that solve? Instead of having Up All Night doing well on Wednesday and Community/Parks getting killed on Thursdays you'd have...Up All Night doing well on Thursdays and Community/Parks getting killed on Wednesdays.

Not sure why you think the 3-hour comedy approach was a 'failure'. It got higher ratings than what they're currently getting on Thursdays & the 30 Rock/Outsourced block at 10 did better than any hour-long series they'e tried there recently. The only problems were they had 2 dead spots (Outsourced and Perfect Couples/Paul Reiser), but now they have Up All Night which is much stronger than those shows.

Moving 30 Rock to Wednesdays could work but then you still have Community and Parks on their own in the competitive 8:00 timeslot, which is the only real problem with the line-up. Those shows need a strong lead-in to do well and pairing them with Up All Night/The Office would give them that.

NBC can do this:

Wednesday -
8:00p - 30 Rock
8:30p - Up All Night

Thursday -
8:00p - Whitney
8:30p - Parks and Recreation
9:00p - The Office
9:30p - Community

Wednesday follows the theory I mentioned before. 30 Rock, going into its sixth season, should be able to lead off the night solidly at this point in its run. Put Up All Night behind it at 8:30, and the network should be able to pull between a 2.0-2.6 for the hour.

Thursday, in mid-season, swap Community and Whitney. If Whitney is still doing well at this point, test it out at 8pm. I would swap Parks and Whitney, but Parks was still able to maintain a 2.0+ last Thursday. Community only ever received a single week behind The Office, so give it a shot there. It clearly shouldn't be leading off the night!

Even with that in mind, I'm still confused why they did a Wednesday comedy block instead of Tuesdays. Tuesday has no comedies at 8pm, at least not until ABC premieres their block in October. NBC would've had a head start and been able to establish it. Instead, the block is competing with ABC's successful Wednesday comedy block!

I don't think Whitney is strong enough to lead off the night, honestly. It got a 3.2 following The Office, but Outsourced got a 3.7 following The Office so that doesn't mean anything. We'll have to wait and see but the reviews for Whitney have been overwhelmingly negative and the 15-minute breakdown on TVBytheNumbers.com shows that it lost a huge amount of viewership in the second half which doesn't bode well for the show.

If NBC *insists* on doing 2 nights, this might be the smartest bet:

Wednesdays
8 - 30 Rock
8:30 - Whitney

Thursdays
8 - Up All Night
8:30 - Community
9 - The Office
9:30 - Parks & Recreation

But I just think comedy on one night is a better approach. NBC has nothing better to put at 10PM Thursdays. 30 Rock was consistently getting between a 2.1 and a 2.5 last year in that slot which is higher than any hour-long drama NBC has right now, and even if the 10:30 show is another Outsourced at least they have that first half hour.

Even with that in mind, I'm still confused why they did a Wednesday comedy block instead of Tuesdays. Tuesday has no comedies at 8pm, at least not until ABC premieres their block in October. NBC would've had a head start and been able to establish it. Instead, the block is competing with ABC's successful Wednesday comedy block!
Comedies at 8PM on Tuesdays would get destroyed by Glee. On Wednesday they are only going up against The Middle, which gets solid but not huge ratings, and Suburgatory (new show). I can see why they chose Wednesdays, but I just think they should stick to one block. They also have that Chelsea Handler project and I think another comedy in the wings for mid-season though, so who knows what'll happen.

I don't think Whitney is strong enough to lead off the night, honestly. It got a 3.2 following The Office, but Outsourced got a 3.7 following The Office so that doesn't mean anything. We'll have to wait and see but the reviews for Whitney have been overwhelmingly negative and the 15-minute breakdown on TVBytheNumbers.com shows that it lost a huge amount of viewership in the second half which doesn't bode well for the show.

If NBC *insists* on doing 2 nights, this might be the smartest bet:

Wednesdays
8 - 30 Rock
8:30 - Whitney

Thursdays
8 - Up All Night
8:30 - Community
9 - The Office
9:30 - Parks & Recreation

But I just think comedy on one night is a better approach. NBC has nothing better to put at 10PM Thursdays. 30 Rock was consistently getting between a 2.1 and a 2.5 last year in that slot which is higher than any hour-long drama NBC has right now, and even if the 10:30 show is another Outsourced at least they have that first half hour.


Comedies at 8PM on Tuesdays would get destroyed by Glee. On Wednesday they are only going up against The Middle, which gets solid but not huge ratings, and Suburgatory (new show). I can see why they chose Wednesdays, but I just think they should stick to one block. They also have that Chelsea Handler project and I think another comedy in the wings for mid-season though, so who knows what'll happen.

For NBC's sake, I'm hoping that Chelsea Handler sitcom never hits airwaves or is killed off over the summer. Looks dreadful! So does the new show with Amanda Peet and Jeffrey Tambor, as well as BFF (as if that title already doesn't point to cancellation...)!

American Dad
The Big Bang Theory
The Cleveland Show
CSI: (all the versions)
Family Guy
The Good Wife
Harry's Law
Modern Family
The Playboy Club
Rules of Engagement
Two and a Half Men

American Dad
The Big Bang Theory
The Cleveland Show
CSI: (all the versions)
Family Guy
The Good Wife
Harry's Law
Modern Family
The Playboy Club
Rules of Engagement
Two and a Half Men

90% of these shows aren't even close to being canceled.

American Dad
The Big Bang Theory
The Cleveland Show
CSI: (all the versions)
Family Guy
The Good Wife
Harry's Law
Modern Family
The Playboy Club
Rules of Engagement
Two and a Half Men

These are your predictions for cancellation?! The Big Bang Theory, CSI, Family Guy, Modern Family, and Two and a Half Men??? These are some of the biggest shows on television! These make no sense whatsoever!

These are your predictions for cancellation?! The Big Bang Theory, CSI, Family Guy, Modern Family, and Two and a Half Men??? These are some of the biggest shows on television! These make no sense whatsoever!

Just my opinion!

And it's a valid one, because it's yours. But the word "predictions" is in the title of the thread, not "opinions."

I predict Charlie's Angels will last half a season, maybe. It opened to mediocre ratings. It will be interesting to see if those that watched will be there the second week.

After last night's 4mil and a 1.3 A18-49, I'm betting THE PLAYBOY CLUB gets cancelled within a week, alongside FREE AGENTS which I guarantee won't be able to hold on to last week's 1.3 come Wednesday!

I predict that The Playboy Club, Up All Night, and Free Agents will be going bye bye. Those NBC Morons should have kept Harry's Law on Mondays, I love the show and would hate to see it canceled.

ABC's "Pan Am" might not last either.

I predict that The Playboy Club, Up All Night, and Free Agents will be going bye bye. Those NBC Morons should have kept Harry's Law on Mondays, I love the show and would hate to see it canceled.

UP ALL NIGHT pulled a 2.4 last week. No way is it even close to cancellation unless it drops way under a 2 tonight. With all of NBC's problems, UP ALL NIGHT isn't one of them. First they need to worry about PLAYBOY CLUB, FREE AGENTS, and... I apologize, but HARRY'S LAW. The show pulled a 1.2 for its premiere, and usually the premiere gets the highest rating of the season. It's a shame though, cause Kathy Bates is a great talent. Maybe it would've done better for CBS?

I can't give predictions because I haven't been looking at the ratings and what goes on in the brain of these network executives. However, I hope that "Community," "Parks & Recreation" and "The Office" last this full season and even continue into their next seasons. I'd like "Community" to go for four seasons (since it's set in college and the characters are there for four years anyways). "Parks & Recration" can go for as long as it wants but a couple more seasons would be nice for syndication. As for "The Office", I just want one more season after this. I don't want Carell's departure to be ultimately the demise of the show, giving it only one season with his absense.

As for predictions, I feel NBC will keep the first two shows mentioned. "Community" has a very loyal cult following and that means something also for the DVD sales. I mean unless their new shows completely outshine these two, I'd say it's a safe bet that NBC will not only keep them this season but renew them for next season as well.

As for "30 Rock," I kind of agree with Ryan. It's had five seasons and although I'd like to see it continue, I wouldn't be upset if it were cancelled. Five seasons is a good run in my book.

Okay, I've just checked out the ratings for last week and now I'm a little worried for "Community."

30 Rock is coming back in January for a sixth season so it'll have at least one more, and Lorne said he wants it to continue past Season 6...and considering 30 Rock actually gets half-decent ratings I could see NBC wanting to keep it around for a few more years (especially if post-Carell Office winds up tanking). We'll see.

I think Community will be okay for another year, but they really need to change its timeslot. Pair it with either The Office, Up All Night, or 30 Rock when it comes back.

30 Rock is coming back in January for a sixth season so it'll have at least one more, and Lorne said he wants it to continue past Season 6...and considering 30 Rock actually gets half-decent ratings I could see NBC wanting to keep it around for a few more years (especially if post-Carell Office winds up tanking). We'll see.

I think Community will be okay for another year, but they really need to change its timeslot. Pair it with either The Office, Up All Night, or 30 Rock when it comes back.

Besides its ratings when it returns, there are two other factors that might shape a decision about 30 Rock's longevity: Alec Baldwin and Syndication. If the show, like I think it will, flops this year in syndication, it makes it less profitable, especially with its less-than-stellar ratings. Only on NBC would 30 Rock's numbers be called good. And if Alec Baldwin leaves, there's gonna be a huge problem.

Lorne has stated he would continue 30 Rock even without Alec, so I think with NBC, what Lorne wants goes. NBC practically worships the guy.

However, as a big 30 Rock fan, I think that'd be problematic for the show creatively, so I hope Alec sticks around. I think they could probably convince him to stay for Season 7, and by that time I think the show will be ready to call it quits.

Why do you think it'll flop in syndication? If Scrubs and The Office could do well in syndication I don't think 30 Rock will have a problem. Even if it does poorly on local syndication, it's a perfect fit for Comedy Central and I think it'll probably be a big hit for them. Nevertheless, both Comedy Central & the local stations seem to have a lot of faith in the show as it's suddenly all over TV this fall.

I predict that The Playboy Club, Up All Night, and Free Agents will be going bye bye. Those NBC Morons should have kept Harry's Law on Mondays, I love the show and would hate to see it canceled.me too it was nice to have something that i liked at that hour on mondays this past monday i found myself fishing around for something to watch at 10/9

me too it was nice to have something that i liked at that hour on mondays this past monday i found myself fishing around for something to watch at 10/9Castle is pretty good.

[QUOTE=catsrule]Castle is pretty good.[/QUOTEi agree its not too bad i kind of forgot about castle]

Free Agents dropped to just a 1.0, could it be pulled tonight?

Free Agents dropped to just a 1.0, could it be pulled tonight?

I predict it'll either be pulled before Saturday, or on Monday after the weekend. 30 Rock encores to 8:30?

That's the problem...what do they have to replace it with?

30 Rock starts filming next week, maybe it'll be ready by November Sweeps...

Bob Greenblatt said he won't pull "Free Agents" and "The Playboy Club" in this next week so it looks like we get at least one more episode of each, possibly more.

Bob Greenblatt said he won't pull ... "The Playboy Club" in this next week so it looks like we get at least one more episode ...

Wow. Talk about being stubborn.

Wow. Talk about being stubborn.

It's more of a "we only have a handful of mid-season shows" dilemma. NBC was really optimistic about this Fall. The Voice and Smash don't debut until the first Monday of February, and I don't believe that Awake, Bent, BFF, or Are You There Vodka? It's Me Chelsea are ready yet. The second that Rock Center with Brian Williams is ready to go, either Harry's Law or Playboy Club will be pulled.

Harry's Law is safe, it will be NBC's highest rated show in viewers after football this week.

Harry's Law is safe, it will be NBC's highest rated show in viewers after football this week.

But it's the 18-49 demo they care about, and it's pulling an abysmal 1.2. Not good enough...

NBC knew Harry's Law had a low demo when they renewed it, it was kept because of good total viewer numbers.

NBC knew Harry's Law had a low demo when they renewed it, it was kept because of good total viewer numbers.

You're absolutely correct, expect that its "low demo" last year hovered around the 1.6-1.8 range, not that 1.0-1.2 range. We'll see...

I think they should can THE PLAYBOY CLUB or move it, and test out HL back in its old Monday at 10pm time slot. If it does better, than leave it there.

With Desparate Housewives, One Tree Hill (to air midseason), and Chuck set to be given their ten-bell salutes, there are already some other series likely to be future endeavored following this season, such as Charlie's Angels, The Playboy Club, and probably House M.D..

And the first casualty of the 2011-2012 TV season is.........

The Playboy Club

http://www.tvfanatic.com/2011/10/nbc-cancels-the-playboy-club-picks-up-pair-of-sitcoms/

And the first casualty of the 2011-2012 TV season is.........

The Playboy Club

http://www.tvfanatic.com/2011/10/nbc-cancels-the-playboy-club-picks-up-pair-of-sitcoms/


:bluesbros: :jig: AND WHEN YOU ARE GONE WE WON'T MISS YOU AT ALL! :jig: :bluesbros:

And the first casualty of the 2011-2012 TV season is.........

The Playboy Club

http://www.tvfanatic.com/2011/10/nbc-cancels-the-playboy-club-picks-up-pair-of-sitcoms/

YES!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!!

I've never understood people's excitement over a show's cancellation. You realize it's putting people out of work, no? Did I watch TPBC? No, but I'm never happy to see a show's failure, especially one on NBC, a network that needs a hit more than any other network.

YES!!!!!!!!

I've never understood people's excitement over a show's cancellation. You realize it's putting people out of work, no? Did I watch TPBC? No, but I'm never happy to see a show's failure, especially one on NBC, a network that needs a hit more than any other network.

I've never understood people's excitement over a show's cancellation. You realize it's putting people out of work, no? Did I watch TPBC? No, but I'm never happy to see a show's failure, especially one on NBC, a network that needs a hit more than any other network.

Let them work at McDonald's!

Seriously, it's NBC's fault that they did not launch the Second Coming of "Leave It To Beaver" which would have had better ratings, retained its advertisers, and not been targeted by the Parents Television Council. Then the people would still be working, and the unemployment rate would be lower!

The Playboy Club has been future endeavored by NBC.

"The National Broadcasting Company has cone to terms on the release of the historical drama The Playboy Club as of today, October 4, 2011. We wish The Playboy Club the best in all future endeavors."

I hope NBC moves Harry's Law back to Mondays.

Let them work at McDonald's!

Seriously, it's NBC's fault that they did not launch the Second Coming of "Leave It To Beaver" which would have had better ratings, retained its advertisers, and not been targeted by the Parents Television Council. Then the people would still be working, and the unemployment rate would be lower!
McDonalds? Really? That's a real mature thing to say. :rolleyes:

and screw the PTC, that group is the biggest joke around.

I've never understood people's excitement over a show's cancellation. You realize it's putting people out of work, no? Did I watch TPBC? No, but I'm never happy to see a show's failure, especially one on NBC, a network that needs a hit more than any other network.
i'm not happy that anyone is losing their job (except Eddie Cibrian of course), but this will pave the way for a possibly better show with new jobs and opportunities; that works out better for everyone.

...unless its another stupid reality show.

and screw the PTC, that group is the biggest joke around.Between Skins and The Playboy Club the PTC has a pretty good track record this year.

Between Skins and The Playboy Club the PTC has a pretty good track record this year.

The Philadelphia Toboggan Comp.....OOPS! Wrong PTC! :lol: Claims Victory in the last 12 Months for getting the Following Series Axed:

The Playboy Club

Skins

RJ Berger

$#!+! My Dad Says

I wonder what Series will be next? :D

Could it be that those shows were canceled not because of the Parents' Television Council, but because they were unprofitable due to poor ratings? Is the PTC going to claim victory for the cancellation of Manimal next?

Could it be that those shows were canceled not because of the Parents' Television Council, but because they were unprofitable due to poor ratings? Is the PTC going to claim victory for the cancellation of Manimal next?

Exactly!

However, there is A LOT of Discontent from people over what is being shown these days, and more and more people are expressing their feelings by "Voting with their Feet", in other words by "Cutting the Cord' and seeking their Entertainment needs from "Somewhere Else".

And the first casualty of the 2011-2012 TV season is.........

The Playboy Club

http://www.tvfanatic.com/2011/10/nbc-cancels-the-playboy-club-picks-up-pair-of-sitcoms/

I honestly don't understand what all the hype was about with this show. Women dressed in leotards serving drinks? So scandalous. There was no nudity, no raunchy sex scenes, not even raunchy dialogue. There are many more shows much more scandalous than this one. Two and a Half Men for example.

Let them work at McDonald's!

Seriously, it's NBC's fault that they did not launch the Second Coming of "Leave It To Beaver" which would have had better ratings, retained its advertisers, and not been targeted by the Parents Television Council. Then the people would still be working, and the unemployment rate would be lower!

The second coming of Leave it to Beaver? Sorry, but you're delusional if you think people have any interest in watching a show like Leave it to Beaver in the year 2011. And really, "let them work at McDonald's"? No no, you're totally correct... a modern day Leave it to Beaver will be this country's economic savior! Wish I would have thought of that myself!

Between Skins and The Playboy Club the PTC has a pretty good track record this year.

Yeah, I'm sure the PTC is what did it. It had nothing to do with a lack of viewership! Don't you miss the days when a TV husband and wife had twin beds? That's what's missing today! Those were the days!

:ufo: :ufo: :ufo:

Don't you miss the days when a TV husband and wife had twin beds? That's what's missing today! Those were the days!

Don't knock it! The Hayes Code and the Television Code may not have been perfect, but they WORKED! Since you couldn't have Graphic Sex and Violence, producers concentrated on other things, and the result was QUALITY ENTERTAINMENT, not the Garbage we have now! :angryfire

Between Skins and The Playboy Club the PTC has a pretty good track record this year.

Do you really think it had anything to do with the PTC? I highly doubt it. First of all, the show was hardly scandalous. It wasn't even as suggestive as some other primetime shows. It's a perfect example of them getting freaked out about nothing.

It just didn't capture an audience - period dramas have a hard time in general, it didn't get good reviews, and it had tough competition on a network that is struggling big time. THOSE are the reasons, not the stupid PTC.

Don't knock it! The Hayes Code and the Television Code may not have been perfect, but they WORKED! Since you couldn't have Graphic Sex and Violence, producers concentrated on other things, and the result was QUALITY ENTERTAINMENT, not the Garbage we have now! :angryfire

You brag constantly around this board about how you gave up cable all those years ago and only watch your DVD's, so how would you even know if what's on is good? Stop trashing on what everyone else likes just because you're stuck in the past.

Don't knock it! The Hayes Code and the Television Code may not have been perfect, but they WORKED! Since you couldn't have Graphic Sex and Violence, producers concentrated on other things, and the result was QUALITY ENTERTAINMENT, not the Garbage we have now! :angryfire

POST OF THE DAY!!! :cool:

Now, The Simpsons (currently in season 23) is in danger of cancellation after this season because of high costs and the six voice actors being faced with a significant pay cut.

Now, The Simpsons (currently in season 23) is in danger of cancellation after this season because of high costs and the six voice actors being faced with a significant pay cut.

And what will they replace it with, an animated "Reality" Show? :lol: :rofl: :rotflmao: :brent

Now, The Simpsons (currently in season 23) is in danger of cancellation after this season because of high costs and the six voice actors being faced with a significant pay cut.
Eh, 23 seasons is plenty. Plus I read an article that said the show may be worth more cancelled than continuing to air.

In the end, I think the voice actors will realize they are greedy and take a pay cut - or risk losing it all. Damn, I wish I was paid $400,000 an episode to play an animated voice!

With all the technology today, couldn't they have nobodies voice the characters and change them to sound similar to the current castmembers?

I don't know, just throwing random ideas out there!

I wish I was paid $400,000 an episode to play an animated voice!
!

I'd GLADLY accept $5,000 an episode! :D

Otherwise, let em :mad: :angryfire ROT IN THEIR GREED! :angryfire :mad:

Don't knock it! The Hayes Code and the Television Code may not have been perfect, but they WORKED! Since you couldn't have Graphic Sex and Violence, producers concentrated on other things, and the result was QUALITY ENTERTAINMENT, not the Garbage we have now! :angryfire
I basically agree.And I'm no prude.If they still had the Hayes code etc. alot of junk that has ruined tv would not be on the air.Like Jerry Springer type shows being one example of many.Most modern tv caters to the lowest common denominator of viewer,whether it's the so-called 'news' stations,talk shows,regular tv shows etc.Not to mention commercials that have become so obnoxious.--Now it might not improve the quality of tv shows much--because in my opinion,for the most part they no longer have the talent to make good programs,but it would keep some of the garbage off the air.

I honestly don't understand what all the hype was about with this show. Women dressed in leotards serving drinks? So scandalous. There was no nudity, no raunchy sex scenes, not even raunchy dialogue. There are many more shows much more scandalous than this one. Two and a Half Men for example.
I also agree with that. Like I mentioned in another thread,so they may have shown some women in bunny suits,I don't really see the big deal.Of course I did not watch the show so I may be off base,but when you compare it to the other types of shows on television today(like the shows I mentioned in my post above),that show seemed almost harmless.

Another one from NBC has been future endeavored today: Free Agents.

"The National Broadcasting Company has come to terms on the release of the situation comedy Free Agents as of today, October 6, 2011. We wish Free Agents the best in all future endeavors."

i think its hilarious how NBC gives these shows a non-cancellation notice; it's like they are saying "well WE aren't actually canceling your show, we just don't want to buy or air anymore episodes of the show, and would really rather just pretend that the whole show never existed, so what were we talking about in the first place?"

I think that notice is a translation for a TV series being "fired" (as in termination of employment).

I'd GLADLY accept $5,000 an episode! :D

Otherwise, let em :mad: :angryfire ROT IN THEIR GREED! :angryfire :mad:i know look at what happend to chris meloni over at svu i miss him but for once i agree with what dick wolf did mr meloni moaned every year about not being paid enough and by some accounts was warned last year about one more money complaint and he was gone well they called his bluff and just on genral princpial im gladd they did

Compared to other shows, The Playboy Club looked like a Disney movie. I'm guessing all the hype over this show helped to kill it. They tried to make it look sexy and scandalous and it turned out not to be. I think if it was a cable series, possibly shown on F/X or Showtime, they could have gotten away with a lot more.

And Free Agents = another American version of a British series that failed. We don't have a good track record of adapting shows from across the pond except for a select few. I think it's time networks would realize this.

Now the CW network's "H8R" has been future endeavored as well.

Between Skins and The Playboy Club the PTC has a pretty good track record this year.

Add $#*! My Dad Says and The Hard Times of R. J. Berger to its list of success stories!

Add $#*! My Dad Says and The Hard Times of R. J. Berger to its list of success stories!

:ufo:

Now back to what this thread is actually about...

Add HOW TO BE A GENTLEMAN to the list of early cancellations! Order reduced from 13 to 9, and shipped to Saturdays behind 2.5 Men reruns at 8:30 beginning October 15th. RULES OF ENGAGEMENT will now return to its old time slot and have its season premiere on Thursday, October 20th.

Add $#*! My Dad Says and The Hard Times of R. J. Berger to its list of success stories!
The PTC had nothing to do with any of those cancellations. The shows just sucked.

Add $#*! My Dad Says and The Hard Times of R. J. Berger to its list of success stories!
It must feel nice to live in some kind of alternate reality in which the PTC is a force to be reckoned with. Luckily for those of us who don't have puritanical ideals, this isn't the case.

It must feel nice to live in some kind of alternate reality in which the PTC is a force to be reckoned with. Luckily for those of us who don't have puritanical ideals, this isn't the case.

:cheers:

Yeah, that!

I wonder how long ABC is going to keep the new "Charlie's Angels".

The ratings just keep going lower and lower with each episode aired so far.

I wonder how long ABC is going to keep the new "Charlie's Angels".

The ratings just keep going lower and lower with each episode aired so far.
how many eps have been produced so far?

I am guessing they stop at either 9 or 13, whichever comes next.

how many eps have been produced so far?

I am guessing they stop at either 9 or 13, whichever comes next.

The cancellation notice came out today.

From the President of Entertainment at the American Broadcasting Company television network:

"As the President of Entertainment at the American Broadcasting Company, I'm gonna wish you, the 2011 remake of Charlie's Angels, one of the worst TV series ever made, the best in all of your future endeavors, because You're Fired!"

Fox has decided to cancel the freshman sketch comedy show, In the Flow with Affion Crockett, after six episodes.

Fox has decided to cancel the freshman sketch comedy show, In the Flow with Affion Crockett, after six episodes.

It was a summer burn off though, so it doesn't really fit this thread's purpose. No biggie though!

Now NBC's Harry's Law is another candidate for cancellation, because viewers were alienated by the cast changes and the ratings will decline because of it.

Prime Suspect (on the same network) is also a candidate for cancellation since it is underperforming with less than 5 million.

Now the current (sixth) season of Rules of Engagement has cut its order from 18 to 13 episodes, with an option to order an additional two episodes. This series, with its new Thursday timeslot, attracts at least 10 million viewers per episode, and I wouldn't reduce a TV show's season order if it has 10 million viewers an episode. I can say that RoE is gonna end, this season (2011-12) or next season (2012-13). The final season of RoE may probably have around 13-15 episodes.

Rules of Engagement doesn't have an option for an extra two episodes, it has those two episodes left over from last season.

Rules of Engagement doesn't have an option for an extra two episodes, it has those two episodes left over from last season.

Then they shouldn't have cut the episode order. The way their ratings are going, they'll end up reversing that decision.

Now the current (sixth) season of Rules of Engagement has cut its order from 18 to 13 episodes, with an option to order an additional two episodes.

Good! (David Spade should have stuck with Saturday Night Live!)

Good! (David Spade should have stuck with Saturday Night Live!)

Not good, since the show is attracting 10 million viewers each episode after its move to Thursdays.

Also, Prime Suspect is excluded from the NBC midseason schedule, shut down production, and is essentially cancelled. That is despite all the positive reviews it's been getting the positive reviews it's been getting.)

Now, due to low ratings, FOX's Allen Gregory is essentially going to be future endeavored soon.

NBC has only itself to blame for Harry's failure bunch of idiots!:mad: Man Up just got the axe just as it was starting to get funny.

According to the Parents Television Council Allen Gregory has just been canceled! Chalk up another victory!

According to the Parents Television Council Allen Gregory has just been canceled! Chalk up another victory!
I haven't seen this information anywhere, but given how low the ratings are, its no surprise.

According to the Parents Television Council Allen Gregory has just been canceled! Chalk up another victory!
how is that a victory? the decision was ratings-related.

and what do they have against that show anyways?

According to the Parents Television Council Allen Gregory has just been canceled! Chalk up another victory!

Hello in there, James. Tell me - what color is the sky in your world?

how is that a victory? the decision was ratings-related.

and what do they have against that show anyways?

Well, the PTC did go after Allen Gregory's sponsors. You can see what the organization had against this show in their press release: http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/news/release/2011/1202.asp

Well, the PTC did go after Allen Gregory's sponsors. You can see what the organization had against this show in their press release: http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/news/release/2011/1202.asp
The "removal" of Allen Gregory was planned from the very beginning. FOX announced in May that Napoleon Dynamite would replace the series in January 2012, which is exactly what happened. FOX only produced 7 episodes of the series, and with the low ratings, that's all that will ever be produced. This is in no way a victory for the PTC - the biggest joke for a group in the world.

Hey, guys, Duke beat Washington today. That's right! Another victory for the Parents Television Council!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastic!

Hey, guys, Duke beat Washington today. That's right! Another victory for the Parents Television Council!

Extreme Makeover: Home Edition has been future endeavored by ABC after nine seasons. It's done as a weekly series, they'll continue with four special episodes.

Extreme Makeover: Home Edition has been future endeavored by ABC after nine seasons. It's done as a weekly series, they'll continue with four special episodes.to be honest i didnt even know that extreme makeover was still on

The ABC sitcom Work It, besides getting negative reviews, had its premiere episode attract 6.1 million. Looks like it's gonna be the next future endeavored series of the 2011-12 season.

The ABC sitcom Work It, besides getting negative reviews, had its premiere episode attract 6.1 million. Looks like it's gonna be the next future endeavored series of the 2011-12 season.
It's only one week. Lets wait a few more weeks before making any guesses.

Now, Allen Gregory is officially future endeavored.

The Fox Broadcasting Company has come to terms on the release of the animated comedy series Allen Gregory as of January, 2012, FoxBC wishes Allen Gregory the best in all future endeavors.

It's only one week. Lets wait a few more weeks before making any guesses.
The show has lost a million viewers since last weeks debut, so looks like the prediction may come true. ;)

I always ask my wife what new shows she likes. That way i know what ones will be cancelled. Seems every season, every new show she likes gets axed. I always tell her not to get into or like any new shows i like,so they get picked up and make it. lol

Looks like Rules of Engagement is done for after this season. CBS may actually have a hit with the new sitcom ¡ROB!. Its premiere scored a 4.1 in the 18-49 demo and 13.48 million viewers.

Update: The sitcom "Work It" has officially been future endeavored by the American Broadcasting Company after two episodes.

Harry's Law is my favorite show that is going to get cancelled. Like the actors, it's a good series with humor, decent courtroom drama, offbeat cases, and good characters.

My favorite show is Parks and Recreation which I think NBC might cancel after this year. Hopefully not, but the show is languishing down close to a #100 and is basically a cult series. The lead character, Leslie Knope is running for city council. This is a dream of the lead character which will be realized and will conclude the series. I hope not.

Law and Order SVU should be cancelled. Chris Meloni is gone, Marishka Hargitay wants to cut back, and frankly, Munch and Cragen are ready for the nursing home. The stories have really fallen in quality and last weeks episode was so stupid, I turned it off before the opening credits.

I like a lot of NBC non-reality series. Actually NBC is my favorite network (outside of their awful reality shows which are the only ones making ratings for them.)

The CW's new reality series, ReModeled, has become one of the biggest failures in the history of the network. 0.3 in the demo and 707,000 total viewers. It's already guaranteed to be the next future endeavor.

According to tvseriesfinale.com, Harry's Law may be low in the demo (1.2), but it has 7.89 million total viewers, so we may forget about that being cancelled after this season.

CW's entire season should be cancelled this year - pretty much everything on that network sucks now (unless you are a 13-year-old girl, of course)

"Reality" Shows are a Failure. If I ran this Country I would pass Constitutional Amendments that would make the Hayes Code and the Television Code THE LAW OF THE LAND and I would BAN all "Unscripted" TV Programming between the hours of 7:00 PM Local Time to 11:00PM Local Time :angryfire

According to tvseriesfinale.com, Harry's Law may be low in the demo (1.2), but it has 7.89 million total viewers, so we may forget about that being cancelled after this season.

Let's hope if they do get renewed that they return to the 1st season premise or formula.

I doubt that any top-rated series (one that scores above 10 million) on a terrestrial television network would be cancelled based on low 18-49 demo rankings alone.

I doubt that any top-rated series (one that scores above 10 million) on a terrestrial television network would be cancelled based on low 18-49 demo rankings alone.
Sure it would. Total viewers are useless, except for bragging purposes. Advertisers only care about the demo numbers, and in network primetime the 18-49 demo is king.

CBS has a handful of shows that score over 10 million but are in danger of cancellation due to low demos - CSI: Miami, CSI: New York & Unforgettable.

I doubt that any top-rated series (one that scores above 10 million) on a terrestrial television network would be cancelled based on low 18-49 demo rankings alone.
Remember Cold Case? Without a Trace?

I wish we never cared about that stupid 18-49 demographic at all, because age demographics should be considered useless, not total viewership. It's one of the reasons why good TV series are being thrown away. I don't care what those advertisers think or how cheap a commercial is, some of us do not watch commercial breaks, anyway, the 18-49 demo is just meaningless in current times. I just wish that any show would have a chance for renewal if they deserve it, and there are three factors (total viewers, 18-49 demo, and reviews by critics). Unless they plan to intentionally end after a season if it ran for four seasons or more, I think any show that scores 10 million viewers or more has a shot at renewal for another season regardless of what it scores in the demo. But if said show were cancelled, especially without airing without a proper finale, it would just not be fair at all. If it were in any real danger, I just hope it dips below that number for once, or total viewership has to decline. Some shows were top-rated and still had the chance to get a proper series finale, like Friends and Lost. I'm gonna protest against the stupid demographic.

Cold Case and Without a Trace should have had better finales, and Numb3rs was probably cancelled because its sixth season finale looked too much like a series finale. Last season, the seven shows that CBS cancelled have either had low or declining ratings, or simply sucked.

The difference is that you two are under-35s, and I am 84. After 1977, I should have been irrelevant. Sometime in the future, you're gonna be irrelevant as well. My 18-year-old grandson watches Unforgettable every Tuesday and the only show he is seeing cancelled realistically is A Gifted Man. Rules of Engagement is probably gonna end because it is practically a throwaway series and it already had a shot at a full season and looks like it has enough episodes for syndication. He's not gonna let innocent shows suffer just because they're low in the demo. I'm just gonna say no on this demographic issue. Please, just take a stand against the 18-49 demo for once.

Remember Cold Case? Without a Trace?
I keep hearing this. lol Cold Case and Without a Trace were old shows who's cost went up too high to justify keeping it on the air. I wasn't surprised they were canceled. I mean they did last 7 or 8 years. Also CBS has so many hit shows that sometimes they have to drop popular shows to make room. CBS does care more about total viewers than the other networks do. It's probably why I watch that network the most. The Good Wife has had low demographics for 3 years now but it's still on and I know people will say it's because it's a critical hit. That hasn't helped other shows before.

I wish we never cared about that stupid 18-49 demographic at all, because age demographics should be considered useless, not total viewership. It's one of the reasons why good TV series are being thrown away. I don't care what those advertisers think or how cheap a commercial is, some of us do not watch commercial breaks, anyway, the 18-49 demo is just meaningless in current times. I just wish that any show would have a chance for renewal if they deserve it, and there are three factors (total viewers, 18-49 demo, and reviews by critics). Unless they plan to intentionally end after a season if it ran for four seasons or more, I think any show that scores 10 million viewers or more has a shot at renewal for another season regardless of what it scores in the demo. But if said show were cancelled, especially without airing without a proper finale, it would just not be fair at all. If it were in any real danger, I just hope it dips below that number for once, or total viewership has to decline. Some shows were top-rated and still had the chance to get a proper series finale, like Friends and Lost. I'm gonna protest against the stupid demographic.

Cold Case and Without a Trace should have had better finales, and Numb3rs was probably cancelled because its sixth season finale looked too much like a series finale. Last season, the seven shows that CBS cancelled have either had low or declining ratings, or simply sucked.

The difference is that you two are under-35s, and I am 84. After 1977, I should have been irrelevant. Sometime in the future, you're gonna be irrelevant as well. My 18-year-old grandson watches Unforgettable every Tuesday and the only show he is seeing cancelled realistically is A Gifted Man. Rules of Engagement is probably gonna end because it is practically a throwaway series and it already had a shot at a full season and looks like it has enough episodes for syndication. He's not gonna let innocent shows suffer just because they're low in the demo. I'm just gonna say no on this demographic issue. Please, just take a stand against the 18-49 demo for once.
I'll be out of the demographic in 3 years. lol I hear what you're saying. I hate it too. I always have. I've been out of touch with my generation since my teens. lol In the 90's while Friends was the big show to watch, I would watch Promised Land and Diagnosis Murder on CBS. And I watched Matlock when I was in my 20's. lol The funny thing is that older viewers watch more tv than the demographic that the networks and advertisers want. And the ones that do watch do all they can so they don't have to watch commercials. I hardly ever watch them. lol I've followed television ratings since I was in High School. During the 1980's I don't remember the papers ever publishing a list of the top shows in the demographic. It was always the total viewers. No wonder tv was better back then.

Okay, Fourth factor: High production costs.

I personally think that in this day and age the entire Nielson system is pretty much irrelevant and horribly outdated. But TV has yet to come up with a better alternative so for now, that's all we've got sadly.

The 18-49 demo thing is pretty messed up, but again...that's how it's always been sadly and it doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon.

The ratings for A Gifted Man are too low. It should have been put on a cable network instead of a terrestrial television network.

My grandson predicted this all this season, and now it is true: It has been officially announced that the FBC medical drama House M.D. will indeed end following this season. 8 seasons, 177 episodes.

The 18-49 Demographic is important because some research shows the spend more impulsively and aren't loyal to any brands like they think people over 50 are according to some research. I don't know how that research was done

Now, Allen Gregory is officially future endeavored.


Sound like John Laurenitis and the WWE website when the release someone. always coming to terms with them on a release and wishing them well in their future endeavors

[QUOTE=James28]Looks like Rules of Engagement is done for after this season.

they aren't gonna wrap it up are they, its just done and over? i loved that show.

I liked a few shows this year. playboy club, but that didn't last.I liked pan am, but i don't wanna get into it anymore cause it's most likely not going to last. Those were the only 2 dramas of any kind i liked this year. I watched a few episodes of 2 broke girls, didn't get into much. I really got into Whitney & New Girl. glad they are still on

On the CW, there's also the need to make room for new shows in the primetime schedule for next season. My probability is that Nikita and Ringer can be cancelled after this season.

The ratings for A Gifted Man are too low. It should have been put on a cable network instead of a terrestrial television network.

I read that somewhere the other day. :mad: I LOVE this show!! I have to work super early on Saturdays so I'm home on Friday nights and if they cancel this, it's gonna screw with my Friday night routine!

A Gifted Man
Grimm
Blue Bloods

After this season, I can also throw out Body of Proof and Harry's Law, since my grandson thought they could get boring. And I also think Fringe is gonna end after either this season or the next, though this season is more likely.

Cougar Town debuted to a 1.8 in the demo and 4.88 million total viewers. Looks like there is not going to be a season 4 for this show.

The River debuted to mediocre ratings (2.4 demo, 7.59 total viewers) and declined to a 1.7 demo and 4.96 total viewers). Another future endeavor in the making?

The CW's Re-Modeled had the lowest premiere rating in the network's history. (0.6 million tital viewers) and is it trying to become the next future endeavor?

Cougar Town debuted to a 1.8 in the demo and 4.88 million total viewers. Looks like there is not going to be a season 4 for this show.

The River debuted to mediocre ratings (2.4 demo, 7.59 total viewers) and declined to a 1.7 demo and 4.96 total viewers). Another future endeavor in the making?

The CW's Re-Modeled had the lowest premiere rating in the network's history. (0.6 million tital viewers) and is it trying to become the next future endeavor?
One week in for Cougar Town isn't enough to call it dead. Lets watch and see what happens.

Cougar Town got a 4.5, they're sunk.

Unfirgettable had a 1.9 in the demo and 10.6 million total viewers dip below that the next episode and it's done for. (Thanks a lot, Animation Domination) If I was the creator, I'd move it to the Lifetime channel if it were dumped by CBS.

And although it's just hard to imagine the CBS network without any of the CSI series. CSI:NY is in trouble since it's always below 2.0 in the demo and four of the current season's episodes scored below 10 million. There are two options: Extend its order by two episodes for a proper finale (ran for 4+ seasons, so it's entitled to one), or renew it for two more seasons. Former option is more likely, so forget the renewal option. I would rather add the two final episodes, which would be a two-part series finale to air over two weeks.

Cougar Town got a 4.5, they're sunk.

Unfirgettable had a 1.9 in the demo and 10.6 million total viewers dip below that the next episode and it's done for. (Thanks a lot, Animation Domination) If I was the creator, I'd move it to the Lifetime channel if it were dumped by CBS.

And although it's just hard to imagine the CBS network without any of the CSI series. CSI:NY is in trouble since it's always below 2.0 in the demo and four of the current season's episodes scored below 10 million. There are two options: Extend its order by two episodes for a proper finale (ran for 4+ seasons, so it's entitled to one), or renew it for two more seasons. Former option is more likely, so forget the renewal option. I would rather add the two final episodes, which would be a two-part series finale to air over two weeks.
What does Animation Domination have to do with Unforgettable??

And no show is "entitled" to a proper finale, just ask Law and Order. And why would the two options be two more episode or two more seasons? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I agree! I really like this show, Kathy Bates is the S$%#

What does Animation Domination have to do with Unforgettable??

And no show is "entitled" to a proper finale, just ask Law and Order. And why would the two options be two more episode or two more seasons? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Could you be any more rude? My grandson Jim watches a few CBS shows like 2 Broke Girls to get away from Animation Domination on FOX. The bottom line is that There must be a proper series finale for any scripted show that ran for four seasons or more. If it does not get a series finale (a real one and not a defacto one), it would not be fair at all. There is no excuse for this. It's sad, but it's true.

Girlfriends, Without a Trace, Cold case, Law & Order, and Brothers and Sisters ran for four seasons or more and were unfairly cancelled without a proper series finale, and there was probably no excuse for those cancellations. A similar situation does not need to happen again.

Could you be any more rude? My grandson Jim watches a few CBS shows like 2 Broke Girls to get away from Animation Domination on FOX. The bottom line is that There must be a proper series finale for any scripted show that ran for four seasons or more. If it does not get a series finale (a real one and not a defacto one), it would not be fair at all. There is no excuse for this. It's sad, but it's true.

Girlfriends, Without a Trace, Cold case, Law & Order, and Brothers and Sisters ran for four seasons or more and were unfairly cancelled without a proper series finale, and there was probably no excuse for those cancellations. A similar situation does not need to happen again.
My statement was never rude, I was pointing out that Animation Domination has nothing to do with Unforgettable. And 2 Broke Girls also has nothing to do with Animation Domination either. Both shows air on different nights, so I fail to see the connection here.

And its never been a rule to give a series a proper series finale. Go back to the 1950's/60's, did Leave it to Beaver or I Love Lucy have a proper series finale? Viewers expect to get a proper finale, but networks don't have to do it.

There was no excuse for any of those cancellations? Law and Order was expensive and the ratings were slipping. Brothers & Sisters declined massively and was properly cancelled by ABC. Without a Trace and Cold Case both had very good runs (how many shows get seven seasons?).

^^I'm done arguing with you about the proper ending issue, under-35, and I don't need it from you anymore. You do not need to be posting in this thread just to anger other users, so take it somewhere else. I can defend the rights of long-running live-action TV series. CSI:NY will get a proper ending whether anyone like it or not. Networks do not give 4+-season shows a proper ending, they're gonna regret it someday. The Mary Tyler Moore Show revolutionized the series finale. Leave it to Beaver had a clip show/retrospective, and The Fugitive had a proper ending, and so did The Odd Couple and the short-lived sitcom Hank (1965). Also having proper endings are The Cosby Show, Seinfeld, Everybody Loves Raymond, The King of Queens, ER, and Smallville.

To be fair, the concept of finales didn't really come about until the '70s, hence why any show before then didn't really have a proper series finale. I do think any show that runs for a good amount of time deserves a proper ending but sadly it doesn't always work out that way.

^^It does need to. From now on, all storylines of any scripted primetime TV series that ran for four seasons or more need to be wrapped up before cancellation is officially announced. No exceptions. I shouldn't have said anything about extending CSI:NY's run. It currently an 18 episode season, and they have 4 episodes left to film. A decision will be made soon.

Networks should tell veteran series ahead of time if they're coming back or not. They owe it to their fans.

^^I'm done arguing with you about the proper ending issue, under-35, and I don't need it from you anymore. You do not need to be posting in this thread just to anger other users, so take it somewhere else. I can defend the rights of long-running live-action TV series. CSI:NY will get a proper ending whether anyone like it or not. Networks do not give 4+-season shows a proper ending, they're gonna regret it someday. The Mary Tyler Moore Show revolutionized the series finale. Leave it to Beaver had a clip show/retrospective, and The Fugitive had a proper ending, and so did The Odd Couple and the short-lived sitcom Hank (1965). Also having proper endings are The Cosby Show, Seinfeld, Everybody Loves Raymond, The King of Queens, ER, and Smallville.
I'm not angering users, I'm having a civil conversation. I simply stated how shows don't DESERVE a series finale. Networks don't "owe" their fans anything as television is a business. If something is failing, you pull the plug on it and find a show that will make you more money. Would I like to have a wrap up to my favorite shows? Yes, but I know networks are in it for money and need money to keep giving us shows.

I believe CSI: NY will be cancelled at the end of the season, but that's my guess. It doesn't NEED a proper wrap-up, it'd just be NICE to have one.

And what does me being under-35 have to do with anything? Do I not have the right to my own opinion? The reason advertisers care about the 18-49 demo (people like me) is because we are willing to change our ways and try new things. I'm not trying to be mean, but advertisers know you are stuck in your old ways and pay more for me to watch television.

I'm not being rude in the slightest, I'm just giving you the facts.

And what does me being under-35 have to do with anything? Do I not have the right to my own opinion? The reason advertisers care about the 18-49 demo (people like me) is because we are willing to change our ways and try new things. I'm not trying to be mean, but advertisers know you are stuck in your old ways and pay more for me to watch television.

I'm not being rude in the slightest, I'm just giving you the facts.

Don't take it personally. He's gotten mad at me for the same reason. Darn us young people, huh? We shouldn't have a voice these days, well at least according to him. Once we turn 36 though, we're good to go!

Networks should tell veteran series ahead of time if they're coming back or not. They owe it to their fans.

I think it's just best to plan to end in advance that unexpectedly be future endeavored at the end of a television season. From now on, there can be a rule: Four seasons, and a scripted primetime TV series gets a proper series finale.

Will Parks and recreation make it one more year? This is by far my favorite show.

Will Parks and recreation make it one more year? This is by far my favorite show.
I think it will return for another season. Sure the show only pulls like a 1.7 demo, but that makes it the second highest rated comedy, behind The Office. Plus NBC will be placing it behind The Office again later this season, which to me means they have faith in the show.

I'd say Parks & Rec has nearly a 100% chance of renewal. The only way it won't be renewed is if NBC cleans house which they obviously aren't going to do. It's their 2nd highest rated comedy.

Unforgettable pulled in a 1.9 in the demo and only 9.93 million total viewers. Now it's done for after this season.

Looks like the Bones spinoff The Finder is on its way to Future Endeavorville. Premiere attracted only 5.5 million total viewers. Highest rating is 8.4 million for the third episode.

The FBC sitcom I hate My Teenage Daughter has been pulled from their schedule effective March 21. This means no post-American Idol time slot. I have to say that FOX has officially given up on multicamera comedy. The series sucked and had low ratings. It'll be burned off in the summer.

The Fox Broadcasting Company has come ot terms on the release of the situation comedy I Hate My Teenage Daughter as of March 2012. FBC wishes I Hate My Teenage Daughter the best in all future endeavors.

And so, the burial of multicamera sitcoms continues...

The month of May is usually the time of an "end-of-season network TV show purge". I could see any of the following being "wished the best in their future endeavors" by that time:

ABC
Body of Proof
Cougar Town
Don't Trust the B in Apt. 23 (hope it tanks)
Missing
The River

CBS
A Gifted Man
CSI:NY
NYC 22 (if that tanks)
Rob
Unforgettable

CW
Hart of Dixie
Nikita
Ringer

FOX
Alcatraz
Breaking In
The Finder

NBC
Are You There, Chelsea?
Awake
Bent

Guess I was right about NYC 22 (potentially) tanking. It got a 1.5 in the 18-49 demo and 8,897,000 total viewers. NYC 22 is practically a filler/throwaway TV series and will end up getting future endeavored after this season.

There is talk that ABC's GCB might not last either as it's on the bubble.

I'm mad that they cancelled Breaking In when the season wasn't even halfway through:mad: .I knew that it was gonna be cancelled again due to them changing the plot of the show from missions of breaking into security systems so the people can fix it to make sure it won't happen again to now mostly hanging out in the office most of the time,two characters from season 1 no longer on the show being and one of them who left the show but was planning on coming back episodes later was probably what caused the ratings to go down to where they just decided to cancel it

Predictions (now that we're close...):

CBS: Unforgettable, A Gifted Man, CSI: NY, CSI: Miami, Rob

NBC: Fashion Star, Harry's Law, Parenthood, Whitney, Chelsea, Off their Rockers, Up All Night, Bent (duh!), Best Friends Forever, The Firm (duh!), Rock Center with Brian Williams (duh!)

FOX: Alcatraz, Breaking In (duh!), I Hate My Teenage Daughter (duh!), Napoleon Dynamite, The Finder, Fringe

ABC: GCB, Cougar Town (unfortunately), Happy Endings (only cause they'll wind up having to give it the Cougar Town treatment), Body of Proof, Missing

Fringe has been officially renewed for a fifth and final season in 2012-13. Ending after 100 episodes.

Make it or Break It has been cancelled, series finale airs May 14.

Predictions (now that we're close...):

CBS: Unforgettable, A Gifted Man, CSI: NY, CSI: Miami, Rob

NBC: Fashion Star, Harry's Law, Parenthood, Whitney, Chelsea, Off their Rockers, Up All Night, Bent (duh!), Best Friends Forever, The Firm (duh!), Rock Center with Brian Williams (duh!)

FOX: Alcatraz, Breaking In (duh!), I Hate My Teenage Daughter (duh!), Napoleon Dynamite, The Finder, Fringe

ABC: GCB, Cougar Town (unfortunately), Happy Endings (only cause they'll wind up having to give it the Cougar Town treatment), Body of Proof, Missing


CBS
Good, I have never liked the CSI shows and need to be gone.

The only thing that was wrong with Rob was Rob Schneider. I wish a network would give Cheech Marin another chance with another show because he is funny.

NBC

I love Harry's Law and was actually one of my favorite TV shows:mad: . Interesting legal stories, an interesting cast, and two gorgeous women (the Chinese girl and the dark skin gal dating Mark Valley's character) not to mention Tommy Jefferson! It was a great show. Oh well.

Chelsea was awful, and I gave the show a few tries because I liked Laura Prepon and wanted it to succeed. But it just sucked so bad. I hope Ms. Prepon gets something else.'

I never watched Up All Night because I didn't like Will Arnett. I was tempted to watch it a few times and just couldn't get past..........Will Arnett. I dont hate the guy, his characters are just too one demensional.

I watched Bent twice, but the ratings were so low that I did not bother getting into it because it was going to get cancelled. I wish Jeffrey Tambor could find a series that lasted longer than 10 episodes.

Fox

Napoleon Dynomite was such a huge disappointment. Really was. I was looking forward to the show for months and it lost me by the third episode. I was hoping for a humourous but realistic animated comedy and it ended up crap.

Fox needs to cancel The Simpsons. That show is old, tired, and there is nothing new that could be done with it. I never understood why they did not let the children and the characters age and move with the times.

ABC

I saw GCB once and it sucked. Not even the older but cute Annie Potts could save this garbage.

On 9 May, the end-of-season spring cleaning has officially begun with this: Alcatraz has been officially future endeavored by the Fox Broadcasting Company. Declining ratings since its debut last January is a factor.

The Finder has also been cancelled. Touch looks like it's the only new drama to survive the season on FOX.

Touch has been renewed for a second season.

And the announcement from the network president:

"Touch, ...you're returning next season. Alcatraz, The Finder, ... you're fired."

Touch has been renewed for a second season.

And the announcement from the network president:

"Touch, ...you're returning next season. Alcatraz, The Finder, ... you're fired."
where was that quote from - was the show cancelled or did FOX specifically state that it was "future endeavored" ?

Jeez, you're making things hard for other users with that stupid bold text. Please do not try to be hateful toward myself or others.

^^It's essentially the same thing. A network TV program being cancelled is like a WWE talent getting released from his contract AKA "being wished the best in all of his future endeavors". I got that idea from the WWE website. It's in my signature.

Jeez, you're making things hard for other users with that stupid bold text. Please do not try to be hateful toward myself or others.

^^It's essentially the same thing. A network TV program being cancelled is like a WWE talent getting released from his contract AKA "being wished the best in all of his future endeavors". I got that idea from the WWE website. It's in my signature.
don't worry about the bold font - I was just trying to put emphasis on the information I was trying to get.

"future endeavored" means that the show might be shopped to another network or possibly brought back in another form, "canceled" means that they have completely shut down production and that it is completely over (unless some sort of miracle happens or an overwhelming response from the fans convinces them to bring it back).

this is not just semantics; the two phrases have different meanings in this context.

don't worry about the bold font - I was just trying to put emphasis on the information I was trying to get.

"future endeavored" means that the show might be shopped to another network or possibly brought back in another form, "canceled" means that they have completely shut down production and that it is completely over (unless some sort of miracle happens or an overwhelming response from the fans convinces them to bring it back).

this is not just semantics; the two phrases have different meanings in this context.

Forget any misunderstandings, Any network TV show can be considered "future endeavored" even if it's not coming back in another form or being shopped to another network. Technically, the people who worked on the show can be considered "wished the best in future endeavors" themselves and the TV series itself if "fired" or "cut" or "released (from its contract)", "discharged", "dismissed", "laid off", or "pink-slipped".

I do not want to argue with you over this.

Forget any misunderstandings, Any network TV show can be considered "future endeavored" even if it's not coming back in another form or being shopped to another network. Technically, the people who worked on the show can be considered "wished the best in future endeavors" themselves and the TV series itself if "fired" or "cut" or "released (from its contract)", "discharged", "dismissed", "laid off", or "pink-slipped".

I do not want to argue with you over this.
i am not trying to argue with you, but what you are saying is making things unnecessarily unclear; if a show has been canceled or just pulled from the schedule then say so, if the show might be moved to another network then use the "future endeavored" phrase.

- in the case of "The Finder" it is a 20th Century FOX Production - there will be NO future endeavors.

i am not trying to argue with you, but what you are saying is making things unnecessarily unclear; if a show has been canceled or just pulled from the schedule then say so, if the show might be moved to another network then use the "future endeavored" phrase.

- in the case of "The Finder" it is a 20th Century FOX Production - there will be NO future endeavors.

Yeah, for the show's cast and crew, maybe. I suppose reruns in other networks count as "future endeavors", look at Seinfeld. I will the use the term "future endeavored" all I want at my discretion regardless, period. I am old, and we do not want to start a dispute. Seriously, I do not have time for this. I am done talking to you, sir.

Moving on with this: The FBC sitcom I Hate My Teenage Daughter has been officially been given its pink skip today. There will be no multi-camera sitcoms for FOX in 2012-13. And Cougar Town has officially jumped ship from ABC to TBS for Season four beginning in early 2013.

Yeah, for the show's cast and crew, maybe. I suppose reruns in other networks count as "future endeavors", look at Seinfeld. I will the use the term "future endeavored" all I want at my discretion regardless, period. I am old, and we do not want to start a dispute. Seriously, I do not have time for this. I am done talking to you, sir.

unfortunately for you, this is a site that takes pride in being a trusted site for news and information related to sitcoms - you posted information related to a current news story that is factually different from any other press release or news story. You gave false hope to fans of the show, and misrepresented the information in a way that is misleading and mean.

more importantly, you presented that information as a QUOTE - implying that the information is coming from some credible source, and not as a product of your own editorializing. Either produce a source for your QUOTE, or admit that you just made it up and either change it or take it down.

unfortunately for you, this is a site that takes pride in being a trusted site for news and information related to sitcoms - you posted information related to a current news story that is factually different from any other press release or news story. You gave false hope to fans of the show, and misrepresented the information in a way that is misleading and mean.

more importantly, you presented that information as a QUOTE - implying that the information is coming from some credible source, and not as a product of your own editorializing. Either produce a source for your QUOTE, or admit that you just made it up and either change it or take it down.

I did not mean to give any false hope to anyone. I apologize for what I did. For the last time, I just made the "future endeavored" stuff up because I saw such notices on the WWE website: They always say: "We wish (name) the best in all future endeavors." whenever a WWE talent gets cut from their roster. I'm not much of a pro wrestling fan. I admit to bringing pro-wrestling terms into broadcast TV discussions.

Personally, you are just trying to hurt my feelings and anger me. I wasn't trying to be mean or hateful myself. I'd appreciate it if we either take this discussion to the private messages or we do not interact with each other for a week. If it makes you be less hateful towards me, I have removed the fake "quotes" from the recent "fired/future endeavored notices" (actually fired). Actually, I removed them altogether. No more disputes in this thread, please.

I did not mean to give any false hope to anyone. I apologize for what I did. For the last time, I just made the "future endeavored" stuff up because I saw such notices on the WWE website: They always say: "We wish (name) the best in all future endeavors." whenever a WWE talent gets cut from their roster. I'm not much of a pro wrestling fan. I admit to bringing pro-wrestling terms into broadcast TV discussions.

Personally, you are just trying to hurt my feelings and anger me. I wasn't trying to be mean or hateful myself. I'd appreciate it if we either take this discussion to the private messages or we do not interact with each other for a week. If it makes you be less hateful towards me, I have removed the fake "quotes" from the recent "fired/future endeavored notices" (actually fired). Actually, I removed them altogether. No more disputes in this thread, please.
i have absolutely no personal feelings towards you at all, I had no intention of hurting your feelings or upsetting you; all I care about is that if something is posted that is portrayed as site-relevant information it be done so honestly and accurately.

if you want to avoid me or put me on ignore, go ahead. I only call people out when I feel it is warranted, and I expect people to do the same to me.

You shouldn't take things so personally, not everyone is going to agree with you about anything. There is nothing wrong with a disagreement or open discussion as long as everyone keeps things civil and focus on the merits of the facts presented by each side.

Today, the NBC series Are You There, Chelsea?, Awake, Bent, and Best Friends Forever have been given their pink slips. Also, after two seasons, Harry's Law has officially parted ways with the network, with its final episode to air on May 20, 2012.

A tribute to all of the shows cancelled/ended this year: http://www.avclub.com/articles/in-memoriam-edition%2C75355/

ABC
Cougar Town: Jumps ship to TBS
Desperate Housewives: FINISHED
GCB: FIRED
Missing: FIRED
Pan Am: FIRED
The River: FIRED
You Deserve It: FIRED

CBS
A Gifted Man: FIRED
CSI: Miami: FIRED
NYC 22: FIRED
Rob: FIRED
Unforgettable: FIRED

CW
ReModeled: FIRED
Ringer: FIRED
The Secret Circle: FIRED

FOX BC
Alcatraz: FIRED
Breaking In: FIRED
The Finder: FIRED
House, M.D.: FINISHED
I Hate My Teenage Daughter: FIRED
Napoleon Dynamite: FIRED
¡Q'Viva! The Chosen: FIRED

NBC
Are You There, Chelsea?: FIRED
Awake: FIRED
Bent: FIRED
Best Froends Forever: FIRED
Escape Routes: FIRED
Fear Factor: FIRED
The Firm: FIRED
Harry's Law: QUIT
The Sing-Off: FIRED
Who Do You Think You Are?: FIRED
Who's Still Standing: FIRED