I was just thinking I was watching Up All Night with Christina Applegate and Will Arnett and I thought it was kind of funny. My question is do you think NBC has turned a corner as far as tv shows go? I dont watch a lot of NBC shows but there seems to be some that are actually worth watching. Now mind you, this is MY opinion, so you may disagree with me.

Shows like 30 Rock, Park and Rec., Community, The Office, Up All Night, Parenthood, Whitney etc. seem to be worth watching. Is it just me or do you think NBC is finally seeing the light of day?

Good question, but I have to say it is still too early to tell.

Maybe, we'll see, ratings will tell us everything in a few weeks.

Judging by the ratings of the first 2 nights of the tv season, it doesn't look like it. The only 2 shows I watch regularly on NBC are Chuck and SVU. I wasn't going to watch SVU tonight because Chris Meloni left but I gave it a shot. It's just not the same. The only new show that looks interesting is Prime Suspect but I doubt that'll be a hit. As for Sitcoms , Community and 30 Rock have their moments. I watch those 2 once in a while but I don't watch them every week. Not a fan of the Office at all. NBC's new sitcoms don't interest me much either.

They haven't turned the corner in terms of ratings (that could change some when The Voice returns in February) but IMO they've had a couple quality shows for awhile... Parks & Rec is the most consistently funny show IMO on any network and The Office has been great for years, though it is in decline.

Well I'm thinking no, only because they haven't really launched a massive hit in years. In terms of reality TV, "The Voice" is the first true hit they've had since "The Apprentice" nearly a decade ago, and "The Apprentice" only stayed popular for about two seasons before ratings plummeted. In terms of comedy, "The Office" was the last true hit they launched, and that show has been fading fast. "Parks & Recs" is a modest hit ratings wise, but still gets only a fraction of the number of viewers that comedies on ABC and CBS get. "30 Rock" is a creative success for sure, but has never been a ratings winner, in fact it's ratings are pretty small. Drama wise, NBC has "SVU" which is a proven hit, but not much else. They've failed to generate many successful drama's since loosing all of their 90's stalwarts like "ER", "Law & Order" and so on... "Prime Suspect" could be a contender, but NBC has such a spotty track record launching new drama's I'm skeptical.

The only positive thing they have going for them is that it only takes a single show to turn around the network. ABC was in third (sometimes fourth) place for years between the late 90's and mid-2000's when it finally launched a slew of successful series like "Lost", "Desperate Housewives" and "Grey's Anatomy" that saved the network. It took even longer for them to find a successful comedy; "Dharma & Greg" and "Spin City" were the last long-term, viable comedies the network launched that had any impact until "Modern Family" came along and changed everything. (8 simple rules almost did this, but the death of John Ritter and creative issues prevented this from happening).


NBC turned itself around after a slump in the 80's, it was in dead last, but then "The Cosby Show" and "Family Ties" hit big and saved it, and "Friends" hit in 94 and made the network the most successful it had ever been. It only takes one or two hits to save a network. But I'm skeptical this will happen for NBC, it's gotten a lot of bad press and will take awhile to rebuild from the Jeff Zucker/Kevin Reily era.

I know, know I will get hammered for saying this but what about The Jay Leno Show. I didnt see what the problem was honestly. I mean I'll take that instead of the 36th season of Law and Order and the 25th season of Law and Order. I mean Law and Order has been on forever. Cant NBC get anything different on there? It was mentioned above about Law and Order and ER. Those shows went on seemingly forever and maybe a little bit too long.

I know, know I will get hammered for saying this but what about The Jay Leno Show. I didnt see what the problem was honestly. I mean I'll take that instead of the 36th season of Law and Order and the 25th season of Law and Order. I mean Law and Order has been on forever. Cant NBC get anything different on there? It was mentioned above about Law and Order and ER. Those shows went on seemingly forever and maybe a little bit too long.

The issue was this: NBC decided that airing Jay's show five times a week created a shortage of slots for primetime drama's and it hurt the creative community; it put actors, writers, producers, directors and tech crews out of work because there would be less scripted series produced. Also, it was seen as a cheap move because frankly NBC handled the whole situation wrong, by forcing Jay to retire only to give him a show that would air directly as a lead-in to Conan's version of The Tonight Show. In the end NBC came across like greedy, disloyal jerks.

No matter what the quality of L&O or ER most would have preferred them as they are scripted shows over the middling crap that Jay Leno produces.

Also, ratings for Jay's show were terrible, epically bad.

Good point, but I will say, I dont understand why Jay Leno had to announce 5 yrs. in advance that he was leaving The Tonight Show? That just seemed odd as well.

Good point, but I will say, I dont understand why Jay Leno had to announce 5 yrs. in advance that he was leaving The Tonight Show? That just seemed odd as well.

My guess is that NBC set a deadline in which he would be forced to retired, or maybe Jay was tired and decided to set an end date.

Good point, but I will say, I dont understand why Jay Leno had to announce 5 yrs. in advance that he was leaving The Tonight Show? That just seemed odd as well.

NBC's reasoning behind announcing Leno's retirement and Conan's promotion to the Tonight Show 5 years in advance was to avoid the type of infighting that happened between Leno and Letterman 17 years earlier when Carson retired and Letterman defected to CBS. Of course, the irony is, they actually caused an even larger problem, and ended up losing Conan anyway. And The Jay Leno Show was actually pulling ratings that were acceptable to the network, but the local affiliates revolted and called for the shows cancellation due to the ratings effects on their local newscasts.

NBC's reasoning behind announcing Leno's retirement and Conan's promotion to the Tonight Show 5 years in advance was to avoid the type of infighting that happened between Leno and Letterman 17 years earlier when Carson retired and Letterman defected to CBS. Of course, the irony is, they actually caused an even larger problem, and ended up losing Conan anyway. And The Jay Leno Show was actually pulling ratings that were acceptable to the network, but the local affiliates revolted and called for the shows cancellation due to the ratings effects on their local newscasts.
Ratings were awful. It's just that the show was cheap to make so the network made money. It's going to take a miracle for NBC to get out of the mess that Zucker made. The only top 20 show they have is Sunday Night Football and The Voice. NBC better hope it can retain it's ratings. NBC can't get a hit script show to save it's life.

Leno did worse than NBC is doing now...

Harry's Law got a 1.2 demo last night. That's just embarassing. Season premieres are almost always the highest-rated episode most of the season. :eek:

Nothing has shown any potential this week at all.

So far every new NBC show I've watched this week has been horrid with The Playboy Club being the worst. I doubt any of them will make it to Christmas.

No! NBC is airing a show that puts Hugh Hefner in a positive light in "The Playboy Club"! NBC should cancel it now or risk being bought out by the Parents Television Council--for a buck! :mad:

Well I don't care that much about ratings, but just the fact that the previews for two shows, "Up All Night" and "Whitney" interested me enough to make me DVR them is saying a lot, especially since I haven't watched network TV in YEARS.... Of course, I still haven't watched either show, so I don't know how good they are, or if I'll even keep watching, but at least they are still putting out interesting sitcoms instead of reality shows. However with a show like "Up All Night" I don't know how long it could really last. I mean, it's about two parents with a baby, so unless they decided to expand on that subject (ie; having another baby), it might not be that successful. But a show like "Whitney" could work.

We try almost all the new shows each year because we're desperate to find something to watch.
So far this year out of ALL the new ones I've only seen two shows that seem promising. 'Prime Suspect' and 'Unforgettable'.

I REALLY want some good sitcoms but SO far 'Up All Night', 'Whitney', 'Two Broke Girls', The new 'Two and a half Men' and 'New Girl' did Nothing for us. In fact we struggled to watch the shows to the end.

Haven't seen everything yet, but so far, Up All Night, Free Agents, Playboy Club, Two Broke Girls and New Girl were all abysmal and hard to stay with for the whole shows.

So far every new NBC show I've watched this week has been horrid with The Playboy Club being the worst. I doubt any of them will make it to Christmas.

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Wasn't impressed with any of them. :(

Didn't catch L&O SVU but can't wait to see Danny Pino (loved him in Cold Case).

No. Every single one of their Monday-Thursday shows was under 8 million viewers this week.

Heres the thing. Now if some of these shows get cancelled early, then why did they promote them in the first place? Ex. look at "The Playboy Club". Now everyone has pretty much said that it stinks, the ratings were terrible and it probably will get cancelled. Now, if WE know it stinks, how come the big wig producers/executives dont know it stinks?

I was just thinking I was watching Up All Night with Christina Applegate and Will Arnett and I thought it was kind of funny. My question is do you think NBC has turned a corner as far as tv shows go? I dont watch a lot of NBC shows but there seems to be some that are actually worth watching. Now mind you, this is MY opinion, so you may disagree with me.

Shows like 30 Rock, Park and Rec., Community, The Office, Up All Night, Parenthood, Whitney etc. seem to be worth watching. Is it just me or do you think NBC is finally seeing the light of day?


Free Agents and Whitney are good.

Free Agents could be pulled soon, though.

Free Agents could be pulled soon, though.


i hope not, the show is hot

You're the first one I have ever heard say that. It is doing terrible in the ratings. It's going to be one of the first shows pulled/canceled.

NBC has been home to some of the best shows on television for several years now (30 Rock, Parks, Community, The Office). Its ratings have been terrible but it's had some amazing shows.

I REALLY want some good sitcoms but SO far 'Up All Night', 'Whitney', 'Two Broke Girls', The new 'Two and a half Men' and 'New Girl' did Nothing for us. In fact we struggled to watch the shows to the end.
You have to give a show more of a chance than simply watching its pilot. Pilots are really hard to get right, especially with comedies. Some of the best shows have had mediocre pilots.

Now, if WE know it ["The Playboy Club"] stinks, how come the big wig producers/executives dont know it stinks?

They're stubborn. Probably because they don't want to anger Hugh Hefner and do the opposite to members of the Parents Television Council. Who's doing the ratings for NBC, Enron accountants? I thought the Obama Administration was illogical and stubborn, but this action by NBC is ridiculous!

I knew several people who couldn't wait to watch the Playboy Club and all of them said it was bad. I may check it out online, but have heard nothing good at all from anyone. I suspect the only hit show they'll have this year is Up All Night, but to be honest it doesn't interest me, as nothing interests me.

I was talking about NBC to someone who works at a TV station (not NBC) and what they can't understand is why they don't air a special fall or spring version of America's Got Talent. It gets good ratings in the summer and I can see it doing well other times too, especially if it goes head to head with a show losing popularity. I haven't investigated it, but I wonder if they only have an agreement to do a summer show.

I knew several people who couldn't wait to watch the Playboy Club and all of them said it was bad. I may check it out online, but have heard nothing good at all from anyone. I suspect the only hit show they'll have this year is Up All Night, but to be honest it doesn't interest me, as nothing interests me.

I was talking about NBC to someone who works at a TV station (not NBC) and what they can't understand is why they don't air a special fall or spring version of America's Got Talent. It gets good ratings in the summer and I can see it doing well other times too, especially if it goes head to head with a show losing popularity. I haven't investigated it, but I wonder if they only have an agreement to do a summer show.
Most of the time when a summer show begins airing in the fall, ratings fall big time. Fox did that with So You Think You Can Dance? NBC will never turn the corner until it begins to develop hit script shows.

Heres the thing. Now if some of these shows get cancelled early, then why did they promote them in the first place? Ex. look at "The Playboy Club". Now everyone has pretty much said that it stinks, the ratings were terrible and it probably will get cancelled. Now, if WE know it stinks, how come the big wig producers/executives dont know it stinks?
because they believe their own hype.

yes NBC has turned a corner... down another blind alley.

I don't think Up All Night and Free Agents will last, Playboy Club is DOA and probably gets pulled very soon. Whitney probably won't do well, but will it do better than UAN and FA?

I like Harry's Law, but its only chance is if NBC cancels so many other shows that the HAVE to keep it.

I like Maria Bello, but the American version of Prime Suspect is BORING.

Chuck is awesome and Grimm looks very interesting, but nothing gets ratings on Friday nights, they just put shows there to die.

You're the first one I have ever heard say that. It is doing terrible in the ratings. It's going to be one of the first shows pulled/canceled.


Only if the numbers go down after this week.

Most of the time when a summer show begins airing in the fall, ratings fall big time. Fox did that with So You Think You Can Dance? NBC will never turn the corner until it begins to develop hit script shows.

I remember there was a scripted show (sitcom I think but not sure)that did wonderful in the summer so it was brought back in the fall or spring and failed. Name escapes me now but have heard that ratings generally fall. Not sure though if AGT's ratings would fall if that happened because there is a lot of junk on tv and many shows are struggling.

Only if the numbers go down after this week.

It already went down to a low 1.3 rating in week 2. Its lead-in was a 2.4.

It already went down to a low 1.3 rating in week 2. Its lead-in was a 2.4.


The show only had one airing so far, i'm confused

No, it hasn't. It premiered Sept. 14.

No, it hasn't. It premiered Sept. 14.


well i guess you are right, looks like it will fade

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Wasn't impressed with any of them. :(

Didn't catch L&O SVU but can't wait to see Danny Pino (loved him in Cold Case).playboy club was one of the worst shows i have seen in my 40 years of living i stuck with it just sdo i could laugh at its pure stupidity

They're stubborn. Probably because they don't want to anger Hugh Hefner and do the opposite to members of the Parents Television Council. Who's doing the ratings for NBC, Enron accountants? I thought the Obama Administration was illogical and stubborn, but this action by NBC is ridiculous!you and the other members of the ptc have nothing to worry about this time believe me this mess of a show will be gone soon enough

you and the other members of the ptc have nothing to worry about this time believe me this mess of a show will be gone soon enough

PTC is now going after another TV Show that's raised their hackles, one that had a Male Stripper doing his thing between 8:00 PM and 9:00 PM EDT. :( :mad: :angryfire

The Parent's TV Council is a bunch of yahoo's with too much time on their hands. First off, The Playboy Club is no dirtier or seedier than any other show on TV. There is no nudity, very little violence (comparatively speaking) and really frankly isn't worse than anything else airing in it's timeslot. The PTC needs to get a life and stop hounding on networks to live up to an outdated, puritanical standard that nobody but religious nut jobs would abide by. IF you are so worried about what your kids watch take their TV away, or god forbid restrict their ability to watch certain shows; it's called parenting.

Yeah, not sure why we need a "council" to monitor what kids are watching. Isn't that what parents are for? If someone's kid is up at 10PM watching The Playboy Club that's on the fault of the parents, not NBC. They never tried to say it was appropriate for kids.

Yeah, not sure why we need a "council" to monitor what kids are watching. Isn't that what parents are for? If someone's kid is up at 10PM watching The Playboy Club that's on the fault of the parents, not NBC. They never tried to say it was appropriate for kids.

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I've been saying this for years. I don't get it. If parents don't want their child watching any show in particular, be a parent and turn the channel!

Yeah, not sure why we need a "council" to monitor what kids are watching. Isn't that what parents are for? If someone's kid is up at 10PM watching The Playboy Club that's on the fault of the parents, not NBC. They never tried to say it was appropriate for kids.

When I was a Child, my parents INSISTED I go to bed at 9:00 PM. I'd always battle them to watch something "A Little Later". Then we were forced to board my Grandfather, who had emphysema, because the Veteren's Hospital he was in refused to continue treating him. They had him stay in my room, but that begat another problem, he was a VERY LOUD SNORER! Lack of Sleep REALLY took its toll on me (I often had to deal with 2-4 hours of sleep a night because of his snoring), and my Grades in School began to show this. My Parents had a Conference with my Teachers, and they agreed it was my lack of sleep that was causing my grades to tank. They decided to set up a new bedroom in the Basement, and all my stuff was moved there, except the TV Set, much to my dismay. But I ran into some good luck that weekend. My Parents were both out of the house (My Mother was on a Business Trip, my Father was at work, and while on a Bike Ride I found a Garage Sale where someone had a small Black & White TV Set available for $5.00 that fit in my Bicycle's Basket. I "Spirited" the set into the house, (My Grandpa was sound asleep, snoring away as usual), and set it up INSIDE a Drawer that I wasn't using on my Dresser, rigging the wire behind it to an outlet. (The Antenna could disattach, I taped it BEHIND the Mirror on my Dresser). From that point on, I could secretly watch TV if I wanted to, and I could also look to the Basement Stairs, so when my Parents "tried" to check on me, I'd see the light come on in the hall, which would be my cue to turn off the set and "go asleep". I had that setup for FIVE YEARS, and it wasn't until after I graduated did my Mother discover the little setup I had derived. (She called me something I wear like a badge these days, a "Little S**T"). :rotflmao: She recalled the "Battles" we used to have over bedtime, and that had taken a backseat when we had to take in my Grandfather, and when I moved to the basement she realised I went "Voluntarily", she said the fact things got "quiet" should have been an indication I was up to something. BTW my Parent's got an Attourney, and they succeeded in getting a Court Order forcing the Veteren's Administration to take care of my Grandfather, he would live another four years, before succumbing in 1982. As for me I still have that little set, (It's still operational) however it bides its time in the attic, ready to be used if needed. And for those shows I used to stay up illicitly to watch, most of them are are available on DVD, their Sets grace my Shelves! :lol:

The Parent's TV Council is a bunch of yahoo's with too much time on their hands. First off, The Playboy Club is no dirtier or seedier than any other show on TV. There is no nudity, very little violence (comparatively speaking) and really frankly isn't worse than anything else airing in it's timeslot. The PTC needs to get a life and stop hounding on networks to live up to an outdated, puritanical standard that nobody but religious nut jobs would abide by. IF you are so worried about what your kids watch take their TV away, or god forbid restrict their ability to watch certain shows; it's called parenting.

Well, SOMEBODY has to challenge the networks to stop airing such trash and air what the people and not the Hugh Hefner types want!

Well, SOMEBODY has to challenge the networks to stop airing such trash and air what the people and not the Hugh Hefner types want!

If you don't like the "trash," that's absolutely fine. But it's not your job, nor is it that of some self-appointed "council," to tell me what I can and can't watch.

Well, SOMEBODY has to challenge the networks to stop airing such trash and air what the people and not the Hugh Hefner types want!

It's not "trash" to everyone. People who find particular shows "trash" can pick up a remote and turn the channel. No one is forcing them to watch anything, and no one is forcing kids to watch unsuitable shows. It's the parent's job to keep track of what their children are watching, not a silly council of people with nothing better to do than censor everyone else's entertainment.

Networks should be allowed to air whatever they want at any time no matter if it's a broadcast or cable network just as long as they warn the viewer of the material they are about to witness.

has NBC finally turned a corner? until we see a run stretching back from the 70s to late 90s for sitcoms, then i won't be convinced. since frasier went off the air in 2004, i haven't seen a single NBC show since.

has NBC finally turned a corner? until we see a run stretching back from the 70s to late 90s for sitcoms, then i won't be convinced. since frasier went off the air in 2004, i haven't seen a single NBC show since.
So how exactly would you know if NBC has turned a corner or not if you haven't watched it since 2004?

Creatively, NBC is mostly solid. Ratings wise, the network is a year or two away from tying with The CW!

Yeah...in a way I don't mind because it allows good shows to stay on the air. lol.

When I was a Child, my parents INSISTED I go to bed at 9:00 PM. I'd always battle them to watch something "A Little Later". Then we were forced to board my Grandfather, who had emphysema, because the Veteren's Hospital he was in refused to continue treating him. They had him stay in my room, but that begat another problem, he was a VERY LOUD SNORER! Lack of Sleep REALLY took its toll on me (I often had to deal with 2-4 hours of sleep a night because of his snoring), and my Grades in School began to show this. My Parents had a Conference with my Teachers, and they agreed it was my lack of sleep that was causing my grades to tank. They decided to set up a new bedroom in the Basement, and all my stuff was moved there, except the TV Set, much to my dismay. But I ran into some good luck that weekend. My Parents were both out of the house (My Mother was on a Business Trip, my Father was at work, and while on a Bike Ride I found a Garage Sale where someone had a small Black & White TV Set available for $5.00 that fit in my Bicycle's Basket. I "Spirited" the set into the house, (My Grandpa was sound asleep, snoring away as usual), and set it up INSIDE a Drawer that I wasn't using on my Dresser, rigging the wire behind it to an outlet. (The Antenna could disattach, I taped it BEHIND the Mirror on my Dresser). From that point on, I could secretly watch TV if I wanted to, and I could also look to the Basement Stairs, so when my Parents "tried" to check on me, I'd see the light come on in the hall, which would be my cue to turn off the set and "go asleep". I had that setup for FIVE YEARS, and it wasn't until after I graduated did my Mother discover the little setup I had derived. (She called me something I wear like a badge these days, a "Little S**T"). :rotflmao: She recalled the "Battles" we used to have over bedtime, and that had taken a backseat when we had to take in my Grandfather, and when I moved to the basement she realised I went "Voluntarily", she said the fact things got "quiet" should have been an indication I was up to something. BTW my Parent's got an Attourney, and they succeeded in getting a Court Order forcing the Veteren's Administration to take care of my Grandfather, he would live another four years, before succumbing in 1982. As for me I still have that little set, (It's still operational) however it bides its time in the attic, ready to be used if needed. And for those shows I used to stay up illicitly to watch, most of them are are available on DVD, their Sets grace my Shelves! :lol:


Not sure what the point of your story is, but at the end of the day it's up to PARENTS to teach their children about the world around them; including believe it or not sex. It's not up to NBC to teach your kids; and if your kids are so impressionable that watching "The Playboy Club" is going to harm them; then you have bigger problems anyway. Sheltering kids does not help, it only makes children grow up undereducated about the world around them and vulnerable to being taken advantage of.

If you have open discussions with your children about the dangers of the world and explain some of the things that they may see on TV then guess what, they won't be harmed, they'll have an understanding of the world around them and they will be better off in the long-run.

But of course instead of helping to educate your own children, some people would rather enforce their values on the rest of society.

You have a choice, if you don't like "The Playboy Club" then you don't have to watch it, but you shouldn't force others to live by rules you made up.

If you don't like the "trash," that's absolutely fine. But it's not your job, nor is it that of some self-appointed "council," to tell me what I can and can't watch.

Well said my friend, well said, alliterate One man's trash is another man's gold.

For those that support the lunatics in the PTC, What if somebody told you that you couldn't attend the church you wanted because they found it "trashy?" you'd be upset. So please don't tell me that I as a grown man cannot watch a show on network TV because you don't agree with it.

You know, I can see both sides of the argument but if I dont like a show, Im not going to watch it. Not with standing a rant, which I wont do on this particular post, do I think sometimes there should be a little more better, wholesome programming? Yes. But I think there should be variety out there. What I mean is not a 100 reality shows, or a 100 crime shows, but just a little bit of everything. Wholesome shows, crime shows, dramas, comedies, reality shows, game shows etc.

With that being said, I think if you dont like it, dont watch it. I mean "The Playboy Club" doesnt really interest me so Im going to watch it.

Call me an old fart, a Bible bumper or anything else. I'm too old to care what others think because I know I'm a good person who just doesn't want to see others doing the wild monkey dance on prime time shows.
I don't want to hear them say GD constantly but BEEP out other cuss words that are NOT half as offensive to me.

I would LOVE to see some sitcoms that the entire family could watch, we need some comedy in this messed up world.

Now...with all that said and out of the way.

I don't care if there are Reality shows covering every topic under the rainbow and then some....even though I don't like them.

I don't care how many crime shows they continue to flood the networks with.

I do care about balance. There are no current shows on that I can sit and watch with my grandchildren without worrying about what they'll see or hear. I made that mistake with Mike and Molly when it 1st came on and call me a prude if you like but we don't want to hear all the smut. By the way my grown children are not happy about the this either, they are in their 30's.

I am NOT saying those shows should be removed because it's quite clear a lot of people do like that sort of comedy and the rest BUT
there are millions of us who want clean family shows and that seems to be a thing of the past.

It should be balanced and it's not, there is a HUGE market of us that are being left out. I know a LOT of folks that have canceled cable etc...because of a lack of decent programming. I would in a skinny minute except we can't pick up anything with an antenna.

We basically watch TCM, GMC (a lot of great older shows) INSP (a lot of great older shows)and WHT (airs Daniel Boone, Green Acres, Rifleman and Patty Duke) Plus we like Encore Western Channel.
My grandchildren are excited to see The Munsters and Adams Family because I told them about those old classic shows.

As far as sheltering our kids goes...... millions of us will continue to shelter OUR children from what we feel they don't need to be exposed to and IMO that is the problem with a lot of the children today, some parents don't care. We are supposed to protect and love our children and make choices for them till they are old enough and responsible enough to make their own. It's called being a parent. I personally think the children of today are being forced to grow up too fast and that is NOT a good thing. A LOT of children today have lost respect for themselves and others. Lets face it, kids today have a lot more problems but amazingly many of us who shelter our children find they are on Honor Roll, excel in sports, don't into trouble, don't do drugs, don't bring weapons to School or lack respect for others and their property. It is up to each of us to decide what morals and standards we want them to grow up with. Just because something is on ABC, NBC, FOX or CBS at 8:00 doesn't mean it's fit for children. That is my opinion.

I have NO desire to see the shows others find enjoyable taken off, I just want some Balance.

I don't follow the PTC but I will say though that I find shows that stereotype people bothersome. I have signed boycotts of two shows: Outsourced and the Bachelor. Outsourced because I don't feel making a show about outsourcing in this horrible economy is funny. The Bachelor I feel is very terrible for women.

However, when I don't like a show I don't watch. If I find a show too filthy or showing stereotypes as fact I don't watch.

Outsourced was cancelled (thankfully, it was terrible, and you're right, it had a ridiculous concept that I don't understand how NBC ever green-lighted).

And I totally understand the need for balance. There's still kid-friendly sitcoms these days though, it's just that most of them have moved to the Disney/Nick channels rather than broadcast TV. I'm fine with people wanting more shows for kids but I don't agree that we should be ripping shows off the air because they aren't "family-friendly". The fact is, some shows are not meant for kids, and there's nothing wrong with that. I agree there should be some family-friendly shows but not every show has to be "family-friendly".

Another problem is what would be family friendly? That would vary. I don't have kids and yes I myself watch a few non family friendly shows (I love South Park). If I find a show disgusting I don't watch. I don't have kids but I suppose if I did I'd look at this differently.

Btw, there have also been non family friendly shows since the 1970's. I personally wouldn't let my kids (if I had any)watch crime shows because most of those are way beyond their years.

I consider anything family friendly that my grown children and their children (or us with the grandchildren) can enjoy together as a family without sexual references, cussing, violence etc...
It's not impossible, it has been done in a lot of shows.

Not sure what the point of your story is, but at the end of the day it's up to PARENTS to teach their children about the world around them; including believe it or not sex. It's not up to NBC to teach your kids; and if your kids are so impressionable that watching "The Playboy Club" is going to harm them; then you have bigger problems anyway.

They should know what will create controversy and keep it off of television and want to create the second coming of "Leave It To Beaver", "The Waltons", "The Wonder Years", etc. Why do the networks want to have the bad press from the Parents Television Council instead of entertain the masses? It's called RESPONSIBILITY. Perhaps you learned that term in school. Responsibility should be shared by parents and networks alike.

They should know what will create controversy and keep it off of television and want to create the second coming of "Leave It To Beaver", "The Waltons", "The Wonder Years", etc. Why do the networks want to have the bad press from the Parents Television Council instead of entertain the masses? It's called RESPONSIBILITY. Perhaps you learned that term in school. Responsibility should be shared by parents and networks alike.

AMEN!

I threw in the towel and decided to "Cut the Cord" five years ago this Friday, after seeing a Commercial for an "ED Pill" aired :( :mad: :angryfire DURING A CHILDREN'S SHOW! :angryfire :mad: :( In the years since I did this I've seen the quality of what's being passed off as "Entertainment" do NOTHING but HEAD SOUTH! On the other hand, my Signature bears testimony to what $65.00 a Month can purchase on Home Video. If I had a Family, I would not let my Children watch anything on either Broadcast or Pay TV, and as you can see by my Signature, I do not feel they would miss anything that's being offered these days with all the programs they'd be watching instead (After they finished their Homework, of course). :D

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They should know what will create controversy and keep it off of television and want to create the second coming of "Leave It To Beaver", "The Waltons", "The Wonder Years", etc. Why do the networks want to have the bad press from the Parents Television Council instead of entertain the masses? It's called RESPONSIBILITY. Perhaps you learned that term in school. Responsibility should be shared by parents and networks alike.
Because not everyone wants TV to be full of "the second coming of Leave it to Beaver". You assume that "the masses" want what you want, which isn't the case. The PTC is an extremely small minority that the majority of the American population has written off as a bunch of over-sensitive crazies, I don't know why you're acting as if they represent the voices of the entire country.

They should know what will create controversy and keep it off of television...

Why? Why should the networks keep quality television that has an audience off the air? Because a vocal, puritanical minority that has their knickers in a bunch finds it offensive?

It's simple, really: if you don't like it, don't watch it. If you don't want your kids to watch it, don't let them. If, for some reason, you can't accomplish this alone, every TV set manufactured in the past twelve years has a v-chip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-chip).

...and want to create the second coming of "Leave It To Beaver", "The Waltons", "The Wonder Years", etc.

You've cited The Wonder Years as a wholesome show for several years, I don't understand how you could lump it into the same category as the other two shows you mentioned, as it was far from wholesome. The Wonder Years had bad language, sexual situations, violence and a handful of controversial scenes.

Why do the networks want to have the bad press from the Parents Television Council instead of entertain the masses?

The networks do entertain the masses. Its their job. As for the bad press from the Parents Television Council... bad press from those jokers is good press.

It's called RESPONSIBILITY. Perhaps you learned that term in school. Responsibility should be shared by parents and networks alike.

No. No, it shouldn't. That's like saying grocery stores shouldn't stock sugary cereals because the responsibility of making sure your children eat right should be shared by parents and Safeway alike.

I have a son. He is my wife's and my responsibility, not that of NBC.

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I don't want to hear them say GD constantly but BEEP out other cuss words that are NOT half as offensive to me.

I would LOVE to see some sitcoms that the entire family could watch, we need some comedy in this messed up world.

Now...with all that said and out of the way.

I don't care if there are Reality shows covering every topic under the rainbow and then some....even though I don't like them.

I don't care how many crime shows they continue to flood the networks with.

I do care about balance. There are no current shows on that I can sit and watch with my grandchildren without worrying about what they'll see or hear. I made that mistake with Mike and Molly when it 1st came on and call me a prude if you like but we don't want to hear all the smut. By the way my grown children are not happy about the this either, they are in their 30's.

I am NOT saying those shows should be removed because it's quite clear a lot of people do like that sort of comedy and the rest BUT
there are millions of us who want clean family shows and that seems to be a thing of the past.

It should be balanced and it's not, there is a HUGE market of us that are being left out. I know a LOT of folks that have canceled cable etc...because of a lack of decent programming. I would in a skinny minute except we can't pick up anything with an antenna.

We basically watch TCM, GMC (a lot of great older shows) INSP (a lot of great older shows)and WHT (airs Daniel Boone, Green Acres, Rifleman and Patty Duke) Plus we like Encore Western Channel.
My grandchildren are excited to see The Munsters and Adams Family because I told them about those old classic shows.

As far as sheltering our kids goes...... millions of us will continue to shelter OUR children from what we feel they don't need to be exposed to and IMO that is the problem with a lot of the children today, some parents don't care. We are supposed to protect and love our children and make choices for them till they are old enough and responsible enough to make their own. It's called being a parent. I personally think the children of today are being forced to grow up too fast and that is NOT a good thing. A LOT of children today have lost respect for themselves and others. Lets face it, kids today have a lot more problems but amazingly many of us who shelter our children find they are on Honor Roll, excel in sports, don't into trouble, don't do drugs, don't bring weapons to School or lack respect for others and their property. It is up to each of us to decide what morals and standards we want them to grow up with. Just because something is on ABC, NBC, FOX or CBS at 8:00 doesn't mean it's fit for children. That is my opinion.

I have NO desire to see the shows others find enjoyable taken off, I just want some Balance.
:clap :clap :clap Very, very well said!! Thats what Im saying. Give people there reality shows and the shows with the swearing etc. but give people a balance of family friendly shows as well. Only thing is that how do you give a family friendly show in todays world?

Btw, whats WHT?

What was the topic again? Oh, has NBC turned a corner? Yes to me because I'm actually either watching or DVR'ing shows that don't begin with the words "Law and Order". I really enjoyed Whitney and actually started watching Parks & Recreation because of the commercials. But I don't think they'll get back to their "must see tv" days.

Because not everyone wants TV to be full of "the second coming of Leave it to Beaver". You assume that "the masses" want what you want, which isn't the case. The PTC is an extremely small minority that the majority of the American population has written off as a bunch of over-sensitive crazies, I don't know why you're acting as if they represent the voices of the entire country.

Nobody is asking for nothing but those types of shows to be on, we just want balance which is offering something to please all people.
And there are a LOT of people that want family shows on. We are not just a few, we are actually a large number.

We are not asking that the other shows be removed, we just want something to be on that we'd like to see. I'm not arguing, what I suggest is more than fair. Just because we want wholesome programming doesn't make us crazies.

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:clap :clap :clap Very, very well said!! Thats what Im saying. Give people there reality shows and the shows with the swearing etc. but give people a balance of family friendly shows as well. Only thing is that how do you give a family friendly show in todays world?

Btw, whats WHT?

WHT is World Harvest TV, it's on DirecTV.

I'm not referring to people who want more family programs (although I'd argue there's plenty of family-orientated shows on television still, even if they aren't necessarily on broadcast television), I'm referring to the people like the PTC who repeatedly do petition for shows to be taken "off the air" and seem to want every show to cater to children, which definitely do exist (right in this very thread).

What was the topic again? Oh, has NBC turned a corner? Yes to me because I'm actually either watching or DVR'ing shows that don't begin with the words "Law and Order". I really enjoyed Whitney and actually started watching Parks & Recreation because of the commercials. But I don't think they'll get back to their "must see tv" days.i enjoyed whitney far more than i thought i would and i watch parks and rec every week

It's simple, really: if you don't like it, don't watch it. If you don't want your kids to watch it, don't let them. If, for some reason, you can't accomplish this alone, every TV set manufactured in the past twelve years has a v-chip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-chip).


You can control the Programming with the V-Chip, but there's a Loophole in that law big enough to fly the Goodyear Blimp Through, mainly COMMERCIALS! The Advertisers show absolutely NO REGARD to WHO is in front of the TV when their Ads are being shown. Parents must CRINGE whenever a program their children are watching, because there is NO INDICATION as to what products are going to be tossed at them next. You can have an ad for Fisher-Price or Coca-Cola one minute, then here comes an ad for Cialis or K-Y Jelly the next! I know, I've seen it, and even Children's Shows are not safe from these abomonations. Ads for "Adult Products" may have their place, but not at times when children are watching.

This is why I would like to see the "V-Chip" Law AMENDED so that it includes Commercials as well as Programming. This way parents can block those ads they don't want their children to see. If done properly, the TV sets could be modified as well. They could be made "Addressable" so that if a set is programmed to allow "TV PG" Ads to be seen, then a "TV PG" Ad is seen. (The technology exists for multiple commercials to be aired during a single show simaltaniously). This would actually HELP the Advertising Industry, as MORE Commercials could be produced. Companies might even find that placing Certain Ads at certain times are not as profitable, and Programmers could charge differant rates for differant ads, with the most popular receiving TOP DOLLAR for that spot. For Advertisers and Programmers, it's a Win-Win Situation! :)

I'm in the middle of watching "Whitney" right now and there are a several LOL moments. I'm really disappointed in "Up All Night" though. I didnt' find the pilot that funny at all. The only part that had me LOL'ing was when Matt Lauer told Christina Applegate's character (through the TV!) that she can't rock that skirt anymore. I didn't even finish watching the episode and I went ahead and deleted the second one. But Whitney is pretty funny and seems like it'll be a good show. But I do agree that I think the days of "Must See TV" are over.

Nobody is asking for nothing but those types of shows to be on, we just want balance which is offering something to please all people.
And there are a LOT of people that want family shows on. We are not just a few, we are actually a large number.

We are not asking that the other shows be removed, we just want something to be on that we'd like to see. I'm not arguing, what I suggest is more than fair. Just because we want wholesome programming doesn't make us crazies.
Networks don't care about families anymore. All they care about is a certain group. I agree their is no ballance on tv at all. 98% of the shows I watch are crime shows and the reason why is because it's either that or reality shows which I hate. And I'll say it right here that I wish that all the reality shows were canceled. I don't care who agrees with that or not. Todays Reality TV is 98% crap.

Networks don't care about families anymore. All they care about is a certain group. I agree their is no ballance on tv at all. 98% of the shows I watch are crime shows and the reason why is because it's either that or reality shows which I hate. And I'll say it right here that I wish that all the reality shows were canceled. I don't care who agrees with that or not. Todays Reality TV is 98% crap.


I agree to a certain extent. The thing about how networks dont care about families part that you mentioned, I dont know about that. You know, I watch Father Knows Best, Leave it to Beaver etc. Now they were family friendly shows but would shows like that hold up today? Dont misunderstand me. I think there should be family shows but do you think family shows hold up in todays society? Or do you think the premise of a Father Knows Best or Leave it to Beaver is outdated?

Networks don't care about families anymore. All they care about is a certain group. I agree their is no ballance on tv at all. 98% of the shows I watch are crime shows and the reason why is because it's either that or reality shows which I hate. And I'll say it right here that I wish that all the reality shows were canceled. I don't care who agrees with that or not. Todays Reality TV is 98% crap.
I agree with you, but there's plenty on TV that is not a reality show or a crime show. In fact, reality TV has much less of a presence on broadcast TV than it did 7-8 years ago.

Call me an old fart, a Bible bumper or anything else. I'm too old to care what others think because I know I'm a good person who just doesn't want to see others doing the wild monkey dance on prime time shows.
I don't want to hear them say GD constantly but BEEP out other cuss words that are NOT half as offensive to me.

I would LOVE to see some sitcoms that the entire family could watch, we need some comedy in this messed up world.

Now...with all that said and out of the way.

I don't care if there are Reality shows covering every topic under the rainbow and then some....even though I don't like them.

I don't care how many crime shows they continue to flood the networks with.

I do care about balance. There are no current shows on that I can sit and watch with my grandchildren without worrying about what they'll see or hear. I made that mistake with Mike and Molly when it 1st came on and call me a prude if you like but we don't want to hear all the smut. By the way my grown children are not happy about the this either, they are in their 30's.

I am NOT saying those shows should be removed because it's quite clear a lot of people do like that sort of comedy and the rest BUT
there are millions of us who want clean family shows and that seems to be a thing of the past.

It should be balanced and it's not, there is a HUGE market of us that are being left out. I know a LOT of folks that have canceled cable etc...because of a lack of decent programming. I would in a skinny minute except we can't pick up anything with an antenna.

We basically watch TCM, GMC (a lot of great older shows) INSP (a lot of great older shows)and WHT (airs Daniel Boone, Green Acres, Rifleman and Patty Duke) Plus we like Encore Western Channel.
My grandchildren are excited to see The Munsters and Adams Family because I told them about those old classic shows.

As far as sheltering our kids goes...... millions of us will continue to shelter OUR children from what we feel they don't need to be exposed to and IMO that is the problem with a lot of the children today, some parents don't care. We are supposed to protect and love our children and make choices for them till they are old enough and responsible enough to make their own. It's called being a parent. I personally think the children of today are being forced to grow up too fast and that is NOT a good thing. A LOT of children today have lost respect for themselves and others. Lets face it, kids today have a lot more problems but amazingly many of us who shelter our children find they are on Honor Roll, excel in sports, don't into trouble, don't do drugs, don't bring weapons to School or lack respect for others and their property. It is up to each of us to decide what morals and standards we want them to grow up with. Just because something is on ABC, NBC, FOX or CBS at 8:00 doesn't mean it's fit for children. That is my opinion.

I have NO desire to see the shows others find enjoyable taken off, I just want some Balance.

You of course have the right to decide what your kids do and do not watch in your home, that is what parenting is all about. However, you cross the line when you start to pressure networks to take off certain shows, which censors those of us who wish to watch those shows.

So let me get this straight, every single problem with today's kids can be blamed on TV? I think that's overstating things A LOT. Frankly we have bigger issues to blame than the TV shows airing on network TV. How about the violent video games? the disgusting rap music? The morally corrupt politicians and overall decline in accountability of parents?

I think there IS a balance right now on TV. You just have to know where to look. ABC has a lot of wholesome shows, like "The Middle" or "Modern Family", they in no way push the limits of acceptable TV. You also could check out a show like "Raising Hope" or many of the numerous cable networks devoted to religion or faith. To say that there is no balance is simply untrue.

I agree to a certain extent. The thing about how networks dont care about families part that you mentioned, I dont know about that. You know, I watch Father Knows Best, Leave it to Beaver etc. Now they were family friendly shows but would shows like that hold up today? Dont misunderstand me. I think there should be family shows but do you think family shows hold up in todays society? Or do you think the premise of a Father Knows Best or Leave it to Beaver is outdated?

Yes, in today's world "Father Knows Best" is outdated, not to mention sexist and offensive The world today is more complicated and shows really should be able to address that. "Leave It To Beaver" was outdated even in it's time, it was truly never a realistic portrayal of what the majority of American's lived like.

Again, nobody is saying that TV shouldn't have family-friendly programming, but that not every show NEEDS to be "family-friendly".

Groups like the PTC or the thankfully know disbanded Viewers for Quality Television only concern themselves with censoring programs they've decided don't fit their rigid and frankly puritanical standard. I am all for shows we can all watch together, but not at the expense of other people's right to watch what they want.

i find it ridiculous that Boomerang can't go an entire 30 minutes without showing that stupid commercial with jimmy Johnson and his Extenz-Enhanced penis - it is entirely inappropriate to be showing a commercail like that during cartoons.

i find it ridiculous that Boomerang can't go an entire 30 minutes without showing that stupid commercial with jimmy Johnson and his Extenz-Enhanced penis - it is entirely inappropriate to be showing a commercail like that during cartoons.

This is why I decided to "CUT THE CORD" Five years ago this week. Even Children's Shows aren't safe from these :angryfire ABOMONATIONS :angryfire, and since there is no indication these kinds of Commercials are about to come on, Parents have to CRINGE whenever a show their kids are watching goes to a Commercial Break! This is why I want the "V-Chip" Law AMENDED so that it includes Commercials. :soapbox:

i find it ridiculous that Boomerang can't go an entire 30 minutes without showing that stupid commercial with jimmy Johnson and his Extenz-Enhanced penis - it is entirely inappropriate to be showing a commercail like that during cartoons.
i really don't even understand the logic of it - do they really want kids buying their boner pills? is this their target audience? are they trying to get it ingrained into these kids minds that everyone has to have an elephant penis or they are worthless to society?

i really don't even understand the logic of it - do they really want kids buying their boner pills? is this their target audience? are they trying to get it ingrained into these kids minds that everyone has to have an elephant penis or they are worthless to society?

I once called a Company that made these "Adult Products" to Complain about their Commercials baing aired during Children's Shows, and was told "Those Commercials aren't for the Children, they're for their Parents or Grandparents who are watching with them". It's called "Scattershot Advertising" and it simply means to Advertise EVERYWHERE. The Spokesperson added that they were paying $70,000,000 per channel so I could get the programming I watched. I told her since I was PAYING $65.00 a Month to watch their garbage INFEST what I was watching, it's obvious the Cable Companies don't need my Subscription Dollars! :lol:

The Spokesperson added that they were paying $70,000,000 per channel so I could get the programming I watched.
They can keep their $$$.Programming was so much better BEFORE all these lowlifes and scam artists were allowed to advertise.I've mentioned it before but uncontrolled advertising(amount and content of ads) has played a big part in ruining American television.It affects everything from the types of shows stations air,the types of shows made, classic shows being heavily edited,the list can go on and on.It's also the reason why many once good stations like TVLand,AMC again the list can go on and on have ruined themselves and become unviewable jokes.And that's not to mention the fact that it is almost impossible to watch shows live anymore because half of the show is commercials.

I'll be honest. I never really paid attention to commericals when I was a kid. Very few that I really remember. But I can understand your point about showing these raunchy commericals during cartoons. Sometimes, I cringe when I see those commericals with my mother while watching sitcoms, soap operas or whatever.

I'll be honest. I never really paid attention to commericals when I was a kid. Very few that I really remember. But I can understand your point about showing these raunchy commericals during cartoons. Sometimes, I cringe when I see those commericals with my mother while watching sitcoms, soap operas or whatever.
I don't even like watching those commercials during football games.

I will admit that the advertising situation is not something I am a fan of either. I agree, children's shows should be immune from having such ads aired during them.

If commercials are what bother you, then its simply there have been devices going back to the late 70's that allow one to record and then edit out material one doesn't wish to see (be it for yourself or for your family).

I did this way back in the 80's just because I in general don't like any commercials. And I watch a ton of tv, the last commercial I can really recall from tv is Apple's 1984.

And with DVR's its even easier to edit out then it was with VHS recorders. My brother edits everything that his family watches and as done so for the last 17 years.

It's the miracle of technology while there is of course things out there that can offend, it is easier today then at any previous period of the life of television to insulate yourself away from programs, or commercials that you don't care for.

There are certain events on TV that show "Adult Product" Commercials on a regular basis, and they are on at times when CHILDREN ARE WATCHING. Unfortunately it is not practical to record these events and watch them later, as you will probably hear from somebody the results of these events.

These, of course are THE SPORTING EVENTS. Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey, Golf, Automobile Racing, and the like. Saturday and Sunday Afternoons. What Child DOESN'T watch Sports. As I mentioned before, there is no Indication these ads are about to come on. Also they are frequently shown during the Evening News. (When I was a Child my Father INSISTED on having the Evening News on during Supper, and you didn't DARE to talk while the News was on). :mad: I'm sure this goes on today in MILLIONS of Households. If these commercials were subjected to the same criteria as the programs were, parents could breathe easier every time a show or event goes to a commercial break, as the offending Advertisments would be BLOCKED. There is a Compromise I'm willing to make, and that is I'd allow these kinds of ads to be played at times when children are NOT watching, that is from 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM Sundays to Thursdays, and 11:00 PM to 5:00 AM Fridays and Saturdays. Most Children are asleep at these times and few if any of them would see these kinds of ads. And that's where I stand, either get these ads "V-Chip Rated" or have Advertisers agree to air these ads at times when Children are not likely to be watching.

I agree! We have had that happen in our home and I don't like it one little bit.

There are certain events on TV that show "Adult Product" Commercials on a regular basis, and they are on at times when CHILDREN ARE WATCHING. Unfortunately it is not practical to record these events and watch them later, as you will probably hear from somebody the results of these events.

These, of course are THE SPORTING EVENTS. Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey, Golf, Automobile Racing, and the like. Saturday and Sunday Afternoons. What Child DOESN'T watch Sports. As I mentioned before, there is no Indication these ads are about to come on. Also they are frequently shown during the Evening News. (When I was a Child my Father INSISTED on having the Evening News on during Supper, and you didn't DARE to talk while the News was on). :mad: I'm sure this goes on today in MILLIONS of Households. If these commercials were subjected to the same criteria as the programs were, parents could breathe easier every time a show or event goes to a commercial break, as the offending Advertisments would be BLOCKED. There is a Compromise I'm willing to make, and that is I'd allow these kinds of ads to be played at times when children are NOT watching, that is from 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM Sundays to Thursdays, and 11:00 PM to 5:00 AM Fridays and Saturdays. Most Children are asleep at these times and few if any of them would see these kinds of ads. And that's where I stand, either get these ads "V-Chip Rated" or have Advertisers agree to air these ads at times when Children are not likely to be watching.

SO let me get this right, it's okay to let a kid watch a violent hockey game or watch the news story about the war in some middle eastern country where bombs are going off and people are being killed because of race; but if that child sees a commercial for Viagra or Ky Jelly then that's no okay?

Here's the thing; most kids watching won't even know what these ads are for and simply won't pay attention to them. It's only when parents get upset and make them take notice that kids will even think to ask about those things. and really if a kid is past a particular age (say 14) shouldn't they really already have some sense of what that stuff is anyway? Especially today's kids who are a lot more exposed to this stuff than kids from previous generations were?

So how exactly would you know if NBC has turned a corner or not if you haven't watched it since 2004?

i guess i contracdicted myself there. i've only seen bits of some NBC shows, but never the full episodes. i watch the first 10 mins of the pilot and if i like what i see, i persevere with it.

There are certain events on TV that show "Adult Product" Commercials on a regular basis, and they are on at times when CHILDREN ARE WATCHING. Unfortunately it is not practical to record these events and watch them later, as you will probably hear from somebody the results of these events.

These, of course are THE SPORTING EVENTS. Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey, Golf, Automobile Racing, and the like. Saturday and Sunday Afternoons. What Child DOESN'T watch Sports. As I mentioned before, there is no Indication these ads are about to come on. Also they are frequently shown during the Evening News. (When I was a Child my Father INSISTED on having the Evening News on during Supper, and you didn't DARE to talk while the News was on). :mad: I'm sure this goes on today in MILLIONS of Households. If these commercials were subjected to the same criteria as the programs were, parents could breathe easier every time a show or event goes to a commercial break, as the offending Advertisments would be BLOCKED. There is a Compromise I'm willing to make, and that is I'd allow these kinds of ads to be played at times when children are NOT watching, that is from 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM Sundays to Thursdays, and 11:00 PM to 5:00 AM Fridays and Saturdays. Most Children are asleep at these times and few if any of them would see these kinds of ads. And that's where I stand, either get these ads "V-Chip Rated" or have Advertisers agree to air these ads at times when Children are not likely to be watching.
Well as I pointed out I don't watch commercials. Period. ANd I have no problem watching something a a bit after it airs (or if I was a real strickler I could go back to what I did in Alaska get my feed from New York I would have time to edit it (and you don't actually watch the commercials when you edit them, screen turns to black, you push Fast Forward give enough time let go when you feel the episode would have started up again, and then visual go back, that way you don't see a single moment of any commercial). ANd I would have it done, before it aired locally.

Now I don't have kids, but I use my brother. One child, single parent. She is not allowed to watch tv (and she's 17 right now) that hasn't been monitored by him first. Period. By it children's programming, live sporting events, normal tv shows, live specials, ect. It doesn't happen.

I was also raised where you didn't watch tv during a meal, that was family time, and only family time.

The sad thing is and he will admit it that she is exposed to worse language and sex when they go watch the ducks play (college football), at school, when she's with her friends, when they go shopping, and basically at almost every social aspect of society that they interact with. But he still insists on knowing what she watches.