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everybodylovesrs 09-21-2011, 03:40 PM Oklahoma warden's wife convicted of aiding escape
http://newsok.com/breaking-oklahoma-wardens-wife-convicted-of-aiding-escape/article/3606273
Published: September 21, 2011
The wife of a former prison warden has been convicted of helping an inmate escape and running off with him to start a new life together.
A Greer County jury determined that 49-year-old Bobbi Parker helped convicted killer Randolph Franklin Dial escape from the Oklahoma State Reformatory in 1994. The two were found living together in Texas in 2005.
Prosecutors contended that Parker and Dial fell in love after meeting in a pottery program held at the Parkers' home on prison grounds. Parker's husband was a deputy warden at the prison.
Parker and Dial maintained that he kidnapped her and used threats to keep her from seeking help. Dial died in 2007.
Parker and her husband remain a couple. The jury recommended one year in prison.
Todd Mueller 09-21-2011, 05:33 PM Wow!
She's guilty and they remain a couple. Not sure what to think of that...
I'm still not convinced either way but this makes me think she probably was in on it.
XCalibur 09-21-2011, 06:27 PM Wow!
She's guilty and they remain a couple. Not sure what to think of that...
I'm still not convinced either way but this makes me think she probably was in on it.
It just means that he still doesn't believe she was in on it, and if Randy believes that the law convicting her won't change it.
Randy may be in denial, or he may be right.
When you get right down to it, Bobbi is the only one who knows for sure and thats the way it always will be unless she confesses later. Regardless of what evidence the law has, they can't see into someone's heart.
Thats why we will probably never know the truth about this, at least not for sure.
Todd Mueller 09-21-2011, 09:08 PM It just means that he still doesn't believe she was in on it, and if Randy believes that the law convicting her won't change it.
Randy may be in denial, or he may be right.
When you get right down to it, Bobbi is the only one who knows for sure and thats the way it always will be unless she confesses later. Regardless of what evidence the law has, they can't see into someone's heart.
Thats why we will probably never know the truth about this, at least not for sure.
There's actually 3 possibilities: she was not in on it, she was in on it from the start, or... she was not in on it at the start but got a little "Stockholm Syndrome" and later helped him/stayed with him longer than she had to.
This is one of those cases where I sincerely hope all involved are happy and remain so. But I have serious doubts about the truth. I think you said it best, though: we will probably never know the truth. If the Parkers are truly happy then I guess we should leave well enough alone. Although it doesn't make me any less curious... ;)
justins5256 09-21-2011, 09:20 PM I always thought she had a hand in it.
DarkDante 09-21-2011, 11:40 PM In all my years of watching the Dial segment, I always felt that Bobbi was abducted. However, much like anything else when you go back and nitpick it I can't say I'm overwhelmingly surprised that the jury came back with a guilty verdict.
That is to say there is evidence there that could lead someone to reasonably conclude that Bobbi did aide Dial in his escape. Whether she did or not well as Todd said I don't think we'll ever know that.
1990 UM fan 09-22-2011, 12:30 AM This now adds her to the list of women on Unsolved Mysteries who ran off with prisoners, like Kay Beeman (who ran off with Edgar Kerns), Donna Moses (who married and ran off with Michael Wayne Brown) and Karen Walters (who married Richard Cepulonis). Why these women threw away their lives to be with these criminals is beyond me.
cordwainer1453 09-22-2011, 01:11 AM This now adds her to the list of women on Unsolved Mysteries who ran off with prisoners, like Kay Beeman (who ran off with Edgar Kerns), Donna Moses (who married and ran off with Michael Wayne Brown) and Karen Walters (who married Richard Cepulonis). Why these women threw away their lives to be with these criminals is beyond me.
There are tons of women who want to marry prisoners for whatever reason. Why do you think practically every high profile prisoner was married in prison to a woman who claims he is the "love of her life" and he makes her feel so special? Even Jeffrey Dahmer had women sending him proposals, which always thought was funny. Not only was he a murderer and a cannibal, but he was also gay, he wouldn't have like those women anyway.(haha)
scc1222 09-22-2011, 01:53 AM Bobbi refused to testify on her own behalf,and I felt from the evidence she was in on it.One reason she stayed away for so long,imo, was because she was afraid to come back due her part in it,and perhaps she didn't want to anyway.
I'm not sure a yr is long enough for aiding a convicted killer,but at least she got something.Justice was served.
scc1222 09-22-2011, 06:30 AM to put a face on the victim...here's the person Dial was in prison for killing.he was only 28 yrs old:
http://www.ultimatetributes.com/pages/explore-tributes.asp?id=85
and,of course,with Bobbi's help,Dial avoided many yrs in prison,thanks to her.
Apostapler 09-22-2011, 06:33 AM Punishment is apt, I guess. Aiding criminals isn't the most high priority in the justice system. I used to think she was innocent but I changed my mind a short while ago.
crystaldawn 09-22-2011, 07:07 AM Sorry to hear that. Hope she doesn't get any jail time. Whether or not you believe she stayed willingly I don't think there was any evidence she helped him escape.
justins5256 09-22-2011, 08:12 AM Sorry to hear that. Hope she doesn't get any jail time. Whether or not you believe she stayed willingly I don't think there was any evidence she helped him escape.
The jury recommended one year. The maximum sentence is 10 years, so it could have been a lot worse.
RobinW 09-22-2011, 08:13 AM I've always been on the fence about whether they Bobbi was in on it or abducted and while I normally don't like to see people go unpunished for their crimes, I wasn't particularly yearning to see anyone throw the book at her since she and her family seem to be at peace right now and have moved on with their lives.
However, the recommendation is for her to serve one year in prison, which I suppose isn't the world thing in the world. If she can still reconcile with her family after all those years on the run, another year away from them won't destroy their lives.
TheCars1986 09-22-2011, 08:33 AM The jury recommended one year. The maximum sentence is 10 years, so it could have been a lot worse.
Should have been longer than a year, IMO. She had years to blow the whistle on Dial and turn him in. And any sane person that posts on this board knows that she certainly would have had hundreds upon hundreds of opportunities away from Dial where she could have sought help. Yet she didn't. Whether or not she was involved in helping him escape initially is a moot point (even though I think she was), she helped him stay a fugitive by not coming forward all of those years.
Todd Mueller 09-22-2011, 10:22 AM Sorry to hear that. Hope she doesn't get any jail time. Whether or not you believe she stayed willingly I don't think there was any evidence she helped him escape.
Look at the brightside: If she does go to prison, maybe she can meet a nice guy on the outside who can help her escape. :lol:
XCalibur 09-22-2011, 11:45 AM There are tons of women who want to marry prisoners for whatever reason. Why do you think practically every high profile prisoner was married in prison to a woman who claims he is the "love of her life" and he makes her feel so special? Even Jeffrey Dahmer had women sending him proposals, which always thought was funny. Not only was he a murderer and a cannibal, but he was also gay, he wouldn't have like those women anyway.(haha)
This is definiteley a strange phenomena, what sort of people do this? I hear all these guys get letters and proposals like that and yet I don't think I've ever actually know anyone who said, "man this guy murdered thirty people I got to get me some of that"
I do wonder sometimes if its not overblown and exaggerated by media to add more mystique to these cases. Cause I see just as many people outside their prison cells saying roast in peace like they did with Bundy.
I do remember a talk show awhile back, can't remember which one where they had this woman on there who said she would leave her husband in a heartbeat for this guy in prison. If my wife said that, I would promptly tell her to pack her things and get out. Someone who would say that has their morals all twisted around.
I suppose fame is appealing to a lot of people, regardless of what you are famous for.
I imagine this has to be distressting for their family members, can just imagine a girl falling in love with a killer and her father, the father would probably be thinking: "God? Why couldn't she have fallen for a rock star?"
UMFaninMD 09-22-2011, 06:37 PM This is definiteley a strange phenomena, what sort of people do this? I hear all these guys get letters and proposals like that and yet I don't think I've ever actually know anyone who said, "man this guy murdered thirty people I got to get me some of that"
:lol:
Seriously, I think it has to do with the bad boy appeal with some of these women. Dating or marrying a criminal seems to give them excitement and thrills. Me, if I want excitement and thrills, I'll go down a water slide.
XCalibur 09-22-2011, 07:26 PM :lol:
Seriously, I think it has to do with the bad boy appeal with some of these women. Dating or marrying a criminal seems to give them excitement and thrills. Me, if I want excitement and thrills, I'll go down a water slide.
I agree there is bad boy appeal, it is of course a twisted and wrongheaded view when it comes to these guys.
I doubt Ted Bundy seemed to much like a bad boy when he was weeping and praying all night before his execution, nor did Dahmer when Scarver was beating his brains in.
These guys are generally cowards who prey on unsuspecting people, sometimes frail people. Of course I guess there are women out there to stupid to realize that.
The EAR might have been an exception, because he was ballsy enough to attack households with men in them when the media said he wouldn't. As much as I hate to seem like I'm giving him props. But even then he wasn't exactly fighting them fair holding a gun on them when they were in bed and tying them down at gun point.
everprincess 09-22-2011, 07:43 PM This is definiteley a strange phenomena, what sort of people do this? I hear all these guys get letters and proposals like that and yet I don't think I've ever actually know anyone who said, "man this guy murdered thirty people I got to get me some of that"
I do wonder sometimes if its not overblown and exaggerated by media to add more mystique to these cases. Cause I see just as many people outside their prison cells saying roast in peace like they did with Bundy.
I do remember a talk show awhile back, can't remember which one where they had this woman on there who said she would leave her husband in a heartbeat for this guy in prison. If my wife said that, I would promptly tell her to pack her things and get out. Someone who would say that has their morals all twisted around.
I suppose fame is appealing to a lot of people, regardless of what you are famous for.
I imagine this has to be distressting for their family members, can just imagine a girl falling in love with a killer and her father, the father would probably be thinking: "God? Why couldn't she have fallen for a rock star?"
Something sick about it I do believe. I read somewhere that Charles Manson gets more mail than any other inmate and Scott Peterson has women that write him wanting to marry him. Personally if I was a single woman I wouldn't date or marry anyone that has the last name Peterson. I believe it's a curse IMO.
XCalibur 09-22-2011, 09:19 PM Something sick about it I do believe. I read somewhere that Charles Manson gets more mail than any other inmate and Scott Peterson has women that write him wanting to marry him. Personally if I was a single woman I wouldn't date or marry anyone that has the last name Peterson. I believe it's a curse IMO.
I do think its a huge slap in the face to the victims of these guys when these women do that. Not to mention their families.
Makes you think that prisoners in jail for murder shouldn't be allowed to receive mail or have any visitors at all except possibly for family. There are just way to many sick and stupid people out there doing stuff like this, and they shouldn't be allowed to succeed.
One of the Manson family killers had four children through conjugal visits with his wife. The one who did most of the killing to beat it all. Sexual intercourse should be one of the things forfeited when you give up your freedom for murder. Except of course what they get from their fellow male inmates. :lol:
everprincess 09-22-2011, 10:43 PM I do think its a huge slap in the face to the victims of these guys when these women do that. Not to mention their families.
Makes you think that prisoners in jail for murder shouldn't be allowed to receive mail or have any visitors at all except possibly for family. There are just way to many sick and stupid people out there doing stuff like this, and they shouldn't be allowed to succeed.
One of the Manson family killers had four children through conjugal visits with his wife. The one who did most of the killing to beat it all. Sexual intercourse should be one of the things forfeited when you give up your freedom for murder. Except of course what they get from their fellow male inmates. :lol:
Yep Tex Watson I do believe that is his name. I don't get inmates getting conjugal vists at all. They aren't allowed in certain states like NC.
RobinW 09-22-2011, 11:25 PM Yep Tex Watson I do believe that is his name. I don't get inmates getting conjugal vists at all. They aren't allowed in certain states like NC.
Yep, even though Jeffrey MacDonald found a woman who was willing to marry him while he was incarcerated, they've never been able to consummate the marriage with a conjugal visit.
scc1222 09-23-2011, 12:48 AM Look at the brightside: If she does go to prison, maybe she can meet a nice guy on the outside who can help her escape. :lol:
yes,she can start an art program and...
I mean,I hear she has art experience.
well,JAT ;)
scc1222 09-23-2011, 12:51 AM I've always been on the fence about whether they Bobbi was in on it or abducted and while I normally don't like to see people go unpunished for their crimes, I wasn't particularly yearning to see anyone throw the book at her since she and her family seem to be at peace right now and have moved on with their lives.
However, the recommendation is for her to serve one year in prison, which I suppose isn't the world thing in the world. If she can still reconcile with her family after all those years on the run, another year away from them won't destroy their lives.
I wonder how her hub is feeling right now.I mean,is he ever going to face the fact that his wife did fall in love w Dial and left them on purpose?
Apostapler 09-23-2011, 03:49 AM I wonder how her hub is feeling right now.I mean,is he ever going to face the fact that his wife did fall in love w Dial and left them on purpose?
At this point, even if he has figured that out, I doubt he would ever admit it.
RobinW 09-23-2011, 09:09 AM I wonder how her hub is feeling right now.I mean,is he ever going to face the fact that his wife did fall in love w Dial and left them on purpose?
He may just be a very forgiving man. Diane Brodbeck's husband still took her back after she abandoned her family to break Jon Yount out of prison and in that case, there was no question it wasn't a forced abduction.
TheCars1986 09-23-2011, 10:33 AM I personally think her husband may be delusional.
scc1222 09-23-2011, 05:22 PM perhaps all of the above;I suspect he has twisted it all into Dial being a very cunning and manipulative individual (I won't argue that..), BUT, Bobbi still bears the repsonsibility of what she did.(and too bad running out on your family is not a crime.She literally walked all over them).
He also sounds very co-dependent (loves her more than he does himself) to such a degree that it's self-depreciating and self-deragatory.(co-dependency always is).That's *not a true form of love..it's a form of self-disrespect.
gluserty 11-26-2011, 05:04 PM I'm subscribe to the theory that Bobbi Parker was abducted and had no part in Dial's escape, but eventually grew comfortable with him and wanted to be with him. Dial said otherwise, but he was an odd character: didn't he basically confess to the murder he was convicted of without provocation? Basically, I think Bobbi Parker is getting punished for dwelling with Dial for over a decade, not his intial escape. I also have to say Randy Parker is a bigger man than I, since I'd want nothing to do with Bobbie after her being willingly gone for so long.
Victoria81 09-22-2012, 02:54 PM Watched it on Dateline last night and thought this story sounded familiar!
gluserty 09-23-2012, 02:59 PM As it goes with Bobbie Parker, how is a vibrator just a joke, you know, for people that want to hide? Wow, that's super, a gag no one knows about.
Thracian 09-23-2012, 03:26 PM I watched the episode of Dateline as well. I wanted to believe her, but there were some troubling elements. I'm still undecided.
gluserty 09-23-2012, 03:32 PM Yeah, it difficult feeling comfortable with her attitude, at least from my point of view. Appently, the Parker family can live with situation, like it isn't an elephant in the room.
Victoria81 09-23-2012, 03:36 PM What was odd to me was when she said she awoke and was driving.....how?
gluserty 09-23-2012, 03:44 PM Yeah, that was different than the original story, in which she was drugged and tossed in the vehicle. You like to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but I feel in this situation, such an attitude doesn't apply.
scc1222 09-23-2012, 06:27 PM I was reading in a news article that a witness from the prison said he saw Bobbi get into the driver's side of the van,and Dial in the passenger side.She did not appear to be drugged,nor under any kind of pressure to do so from Dial.
So take it as you will.I'm pretty sure I posted this one here awhile back.
gluserty 09-23-2012, 06:35 PM Yeah, if I had any question of Bobbi's participation in this circumstance, it was when it was suggested she drove the vehicle. It makes sense. Wow, I'm glad "Dateline" profiled this story; it's really a case that sparks opinions and conversation.
crystaldawn 09-24-2012, 05:43 AM It was UM's theory that Bobbi was drugged and placed in the vehicle which turned out to be untrue. Randolph Dial said she drove the vehicle and he placed a knife to her carotid artery in her leg to get her to comply.
gluserty 09-24-2012, 05:55 AM I'd like it to be that way; I'm just not comfortable yet with her perspective. To me, Bobbi Parker is much too smart to be stupid. I want to be wrong though, and she is being honest to goodness here.
scc1222 09-24-2012, 05:53 PM Pls see the dateline series on the forbidden site.It's under 'the devil and bobbi parker' in 6 short segments.
Even Bobbi herself says she was drugged when driving the van.That isn't possible with valium,which Dial was known to have gotten from the prison.It makes your legs heavy,makes you very sleepy and causes double vision due to relaxation of the eye muscles.If anything she would have just went to sleep.
No,I don't believe her story one bit.And Dial had went into the store when Bobbi made the phone calls.
As for Randy,I'm sure he isn't that stupid,either.I suspect he didn't want to hurt his kids though,and was willing to take her back,no matter what.JMO.
Also recall the nude painting of Bobbi,done by Dial,that was found in their garage.I don't think he guessed at what she looked like.jmo.
UMFaninMD 09-24-2012, 06:33 PM Dateline doesn't seem to cover the UM segments that get solved so I was surprised and delighted to see this one last Friday.
I think there's a strong chance that Bobbi Parker may have been suffering from Stockholm Syndrome which may explain why she didn't leave when she had the chance to do so, and that love letter she wrote to him. A woman who had been held captive for seven years by a man and a couple acted the same way. But you can't deny that perhaps her unwillingness to leave was not Stockholm Syndrome and that in reality, she was in love with Dial and realized running off with him was damaging. Some women who want to be with convicted murderers don't think about the harm their feelings can do to their family until it's too late.
MegtheEgg86 07-16-2013, 08:05 PM I'm bumping this one up. Apparently, Randolph Dial published a book about the entire Bobbi Parker incident before he died, which was titled In the Wind. I just finished reading it.
Thoughts:
1. It is blatantly obvious about six chapters in that Dial is a Class A BSer. He tells some story about threatening another inmate at the Oklahoma State reformatory with a pistol he carved out of chocolate, claims Bobbi Parker was kidnapped by two rednecks when they were living in Texas (of course he saved her just before they were going to rape her by accosting them with a shotgun), and then claims made her permanently "forget" her traumatic experience there by feeding her Valium and repeatedly playing Carly Simons' "You're So Vain" on a boom box--techniques he claimed he learned when the Army allegedly tested LSD on him in 1962. :rolleyes:
Dial claims he killed Kelly Hogan in 1986 because Hogan was providing anabolic steroids to his son. You find very quickly he claims a deep, deep hatred for drug pushers--which is interesting, being that he allegedly has no problem pumping Bobbi full of pills throughout the entire book. I'm not sure whether Bobbi was indeed drugged (Dial claims she was), but I'm certain that drivel about ridding the world of drug dealers being his life's goal is a definitely a load.
He also claims Randy Parker regularly talked openly in front of inmates about how Bobbi would never leave him, citing reasons that are too vulgar to go into detail about, that Randy was consistently verbally abusive to her and in front of Dial, and that Bobbi once told him that the only reason they were married was that while they were still dating, Randy intentionally damaged a condom before they were intimate one evening and told her he felt like she would leave him unless she became pregnant. There is also no mention of Bobbi ever asking about or crying for her children. It's like they were a non-issue.
Suffice to say, I find a lot of it very hard to believe. Not everything. But most of it.
2. This is fabulous insight into a criminal mind. As cliche as that may sound, it's true. The probable fibbing on nearly everything--significant or no--the MANY attempts at manipulating the reader, the wacked-out justifications for things that he does. It's fascinating how utterly clever Dial thinks he is.
3. He very briefly mentions watching his own UM segment over the years. He claims the photo shown of Bobbi Parker made her look like a "high-class whore" and that it looked nothing like her, which he claims helped them stay under the radar. He also says he bought a blonde wig and had Bobbi wear it occasionally. No way of knowing whether or not that's true as the alleged sighting mentioned on the segment seemed credible, but after reading a bit you get the idea he could have plucked that straight from the show.
All in all, nowhere I'd go for actual facts about the case. Definitely the first place I'd go to see exactly who Randolph Dial really was.
WishfulDreamer 07-16-2013, 08:20 PM For what it's worth, my father's cousin actually worked in the Granite prison where Dial was incarcerated and knew him as well as Randy and Bobbi Parker. She said that she also read the book and found that many of the things he wrote about the prison and in the book in general were flat out lies. This was about four years ago when I visited Granite myself. I was, of course, really curious and asked lots of questions about Dial and the UM segment. :D She stated that they filmed the segment on location and that the crew was really friendly. But back to speaking of Dial, she had nothing positive to say about him and thought him to be anything but honest.
MegtheEgg86 07-16-2013, 11:21 PM For what it's worth, my father's cousin actually worked in the Granite prison where Dial was incarcerated and knew him as well as Randy and Bobbi Parker. She said that she also read the book and found that many of the things he wrote about the prison and in the book in general were flat out lies. This was about four years ago when I visited Granite myself. I was, of course, really curious and asked lots of questions about Dial and the UM segment. :D She stated that they filmed the segment on location and that the crew was really friendly. But back to speaking of Dial, she had nothing positive to say about him and thought him to be anything but honest.
Wow, had no idea! Cool that you have family that knew all parties involved and were able to visit Granite.
Dial is just absurd at best and a manipulative liar at worst it seems from his writing. I mean, his claims are just ridiculous. Among them:
1. Bobbi knew about Dial's plan to escape weeks before he did it, but just told him "he had to do what he had to do" and said she wouldn't tip anyone off beforehand.
2. He drugged her with ten 10 mg Valiums (the largest available) dissolved in one glass of tea, then claimed he put her in the driver's seat of her van and made her drive to Wichita Falls, TX. There is no way she would have stayed conscious, let alone drive without getting involved in an accident under those conditions (I think he probably waited for her to lose either inhibition or consciousness--whatever came first--put her in her vehicle, and drove it himself). He also says he threatened her with a metal comb he'd somehow fashioned to look like a cutting instrument while driving, saying he'd cut her if she did anything stupid. He says they shared a good laugh upon her discovery a short while later that it was just a comb. Yeah, this wacked-out inmate has just drugged my tea with diazepam and threatened my life, but gee, he's such a hoot. :rolleyes: Not buying it, Dial.
3. There are multiple episodes of him abusing her verbally or physically, yet she never shows a bit of fear, nor pleads with him to let her go--no, far from it. It's like she ENJOYS Dial, no matter how bat crazy he gets. Every one of them screams: I am Randolph Dial, and women can't resist me, even as I'm threatening their lives and families. It's an absolutely ridiculous and disgusting pack of lies.
I don't really know what happened here, but I have some ideas. None of them involve Bobbi Parker knowing about Dial's escape until the day he kidnapped her, or any of the claims she had some kind of blissed-out life with him in the Texas countryside. It's possible they could have had something going on before the escape, but I honestly don't believe she knew anything about it.
I still have no idea why he really killed Kelly Hogan. That whole story is bizarre.
WishfulDreamer 07-17-2013, 12:13 AM Wow, had no idea! Cool that you have family that knew all parties involved and were able to visit Granite.
Dial is just absurd at best and a manipulative liar at worst it seems from his writing. I mean, his claims are just ridiculous. Among them:
1. Bobbi knew about Dial's plan to escape weeks before he did it, but just told him "he had to do what he had to do" and said she wouldn't tip anyone off beforehand.
2. He drugged her with ten 10 mg Valiums (the largest available) dissolved in one glass of tea, then claimed he put her in the driver's seat of her van and made her drive to Wichita Falls, TX. There is no way she would have stayed conscious, let alone drive without getting involved in an accident under those conditions (I think he probably waited for her to lose either inhibition or consciousness--whatever came first--put her in her vehicle, and drove it himself). He also says he threatened her with a metal comb he'd somehow fashioned to look like a cutting instrument while driving, saying he'd cut her if she did anything stupid. He says they shared a good laugh upon her discovery a short while later that it was just a comb. Yeah, this wacked-out inmate has just drugged my tea with diazepam and threatened my life, but gee, he's such a hoot. :rolleyes: Not buying it, Dial.
I had no idea until I got there, actually. A part of my dad's family I had never met before has lived there for a long time and I went to go meet them for a family reunion of sorts. I think my dad mentioned to his cousin that I was a big UM fan and would want to know all about it so that's when she told me. Also for the record, she said she was unsure about Bobbi. Apparently soon after Bobbi returned to Granite she called my relative but said they couldn't talk once she heard my relative had a subpoena to testify at her upcoming trial. I'd really like to ask her what she thinks now and if she visits with Bobbi and Randy now at all.
As for Dial, what a load of baloney! How can he claim he drugged her to get her into the car and then she drove afterward? I find the ''we shared a laugh'' pretty ridiculous as well.
gluserty 07-17-2013, 02:31 AM I'd like to read Dial's book someday; it sounds interesting, even though I likely won't believe a word of it.
Dial strikes me as the kind of person who committed certain acts A:) Because he felt like it B:) To become a degree of famous/notorious (which he succeeded at). I'm guessing Bobbi Parker had a case of Shockholm Syndrome, and probably told some tales to Dial to put him at ease through the year (though I don't see Bobbi Parker as a complete innocent, I don't think she is like the woman from that UM case who left her 25 year marriage to run away with that former schoolteacher who murdered that 17 or 18 year old; for the life of me I cannot remember either of their names at the moment).
MegtheEgg86 07-17-2013, 07:59 PM Just finished the Dateline episode.
I still don't know where I stand on Bobbi herself. I do actually think it's plausible he terrified and manipulated her so profoundly that she never sought help. Just reading the man's words I could see how he could be capable of that. I could see how she might be coerced into doing many of the things she did, such as the cards and letters and what not. I'm not sure what I would do under those circumstances myself. If there's anything I've learned it's that it's easy to say what you would do in any given situation, but impossible to actually know until you've been tested repeatedly--and even then, you may surprise yourself. I can't comfortably say I think Bobbi Parker is guilty of helping Randolph Dial escape because she didn't make an attempt to escape or get help. I keep thinking that maybe she thought she was putting her daughters and husband and the rest of her family first--that she would rather languish with Dial than risk any of them getting hurt.
However, on the surface it certainly looks just as the jury thought it did: that she helped him escape because she was in loved with him. The possibility isn't inconceivable to me.
On Cowley, the OSR warden: The way I see it, looks like ol' boy got conned by Dial--maybe he had a legitimate soft spot for him, I don't know--and now wants to use Bobbi as the scapegoat for his huge mistake of putting Dial on trusty status. I kept thinking, man, just own up to your error, dude.
On Randy Parker: The guy seems as kind and wonderful as can be. Just makes Dial's account seem even more unbelievable.
crystaldawn 07-18-2013, 08:13 PM I have mentioned previously (and possibly in the minority here) but I have always thought she was a victim in all of this. There are questions that aren't going to be answered for me or anyone as to why she didn't do things differently but I think its easy to say what we would have done in the situation but actually being in the horrible situation you may do something completely different. I watched the Dateline episode a few days ago where Bobbi Parker talked for the first time and it just cemented my opinion that she didn't go willingly. She did say an experience like that changes you and I think she was living one day at a time and trying to comply and make Dial happy so she wouldn't be beat. She said when Charles Sasser called her she didn't want to talk to him (she was tired) but Dial went to go for his gun to threaten her so she did. She said when she asked him how her girls were she thought that would alert people and she would be found. She said she was beaten and raped many times. As far as her not leaving, she could have gotten away probably but she knew he could find her husband and daughters and would probably kill them like he told her he would. When asked why she didn't just write someone a note to let her family know she was alive she simply said "I didn't have permission". When she was reunited with her husband he even commented she had changed and would ask permission to go to the bathroom, get a drink, etc.
The one part of Dateline that really made me mad was the interview with that miserable Warden who was in charge when Dial escaped!!!! Definitely throwing Bobbi under the bus to save his own skin. He grants Dial trustee status even though the security report on him didn't support it and then claims he saw Dial and Bobbi cozy on the Parker's property. If he really did see that and was concerned he would have yanked his privileges. What I couldn't believe was when they said he was given a tip on 2 different occasions where Dial was and he didn't alert anybody! Said something ridiculous like he knew Dial was doing anything wrong so he didn't bother. How in the world would he knew what Dial was doing on the run? Just kidnapping, raping, beating and drugging someone repeatedly....yea he was a real choir boy on the run. :mad:
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I like spam with my dinner thanks.
gluserty 07-18-2013, 09:39 PM I like Treet myself.
MegtheEgg86 07-19-2013, 03:00 AM I have mentioned previously (and possibly in the minority here) but I have always thought she was a victim in all of this. There are questions that aren't going to be answered for me or anyone as to why she didn't do things differently but I think its easy to say what we would have done in the situation but actually being in the horrible situation you may do something completely different. I watched the Dateline episode a few days ago where Bobbi Parker talked for the first time and it just cemented my opinion that she didn't go willingly. She did say an experience like that changes you and I think she was living one day at a time and trying to comply and make Dial happy so she wouldn't be beat. She said when Charles Sasser called her she didn't want to talk to him (she was tired) but Dial went to go for his gun to threaten her so she did. She said when she asked him how her girls were she thought that would alert people and she would be found. She said she was beaten and raped many times. As far as her not leaving, she could have gotten away probably but she knew he could find her husband and daughters and would probably kill them like he told her he would. When asked why she didn't just write someone a note to let her family know she was alive she simply said "I didn't have permission". When she was reunited with her husband he even commented she had changed and would ask permission to go to the bathroom, get a drink, etc.
That's basically how I lean. I never really had the feeling she was in on it. Now I'm certain she wasn't, and I feel she was probably a victim all along after reading Dial's account and watching her interview. When she talked about some of those years, I had the distinct impression she was emotionally detached from those events. It's how many victims of violent crime, abused people, and combat veterans speak. That's what struck me about it the most. I think she was telling the truth.
The one part of Dateline that really made me mad was the interview with that miserable Warden who was in charge when Dial escaped!!!! Definitely throwing Bobbi under the bus to save his own skin. He grants Dial trustee status even though the security report on him didn't support it and then claims he saw Dial and Bobbi cozy on the Parker's property. If he really did see that and was concerned he would have yanked his privileges. What I couldn't believe was when they said he was given a tip on 2 different occasions where Dial was and he didn't alert anybody! Said something ridiculous like he knew Dial was doing anything wrong so he didn't bother. How in the world would he knew what Dial was doing on the run? Just kidnapping, raping, beating and drugging someone repeatedly....yea he was a real choir boy on the run. :mad:
That guy was a JERK. Dial writes about how he and the warden were big buds, that they were essentially peers on opposite sides of the bars. THAT part I can totally believe. ODOC should have fired Cowley and rehired him just to fire him again, because he deserved it. When he asked the interviewer if she was trying to imply that he was to blame in large part for Dial's escape, I actually talked back to the screen. Uh, yeah dude, wake up and smell that state-issue coffee--that's exactly what she's getting at, you dolt.
WishfulDreamer 07-19-2013, 03:55 AM I just watched the Dateline segment and I think the warden is a Grade A idiot and very hard to believe. "I'm a pretty good judge of character, I think." Yeah, that's why your policy allowed a fugitive to get away by letting him work outside the prison walls.
A lot of her mannerisms and the things she said make me believe that she was definitely abused and that she was NOT happily in hiding with Dial. I just can't fully buy the "she must have chosen to and wanted to because it was 11 years." The husband makes a valid point about how easy it is to judge her situation from an outside perspective.
TheCars1986 07-19-2013, 10:15 AM I still think she initially was taken against her will but grew comfortable with Dial while they were on the lam. She had several opportunities to turn him over, and never did. IIRC, they were both working on a farm of some kind and there were days where Bonnie worked and Dial did not and other times where Bonnie was alone with other workers outside of Dial's prescence. Plus I think there was probably more evidence brought out at her trial that we're not privy to that got her convicted.
gluserty 07-19-2013, 09:51 PM That's how I see it as well TheCars1986; over time, I feel she she grew accustomed to him. That's why I don't think she's a complete innocent, even though I don't think she did anything wrong (if that makes sense). That warden though? Wow, he is either corrupt (my vote) or a fool, or both.
wiseguy182 07-21-2013, 12:38 AM I just saw the Dateline episode as it reran yesterday. I think 48 Hours or something did another piece on this several years ago because I remember posting about it. Anyways, I was really disgusted that they bothered to prosecute Bobbi. There simply was no evidence. There were a few of those infamous eyewitness accounts, but they were coming from criminals/insane people and were totally unreliable. She suffered over a decade of abuse from Dial, then had to endure all of the accusations being thrown her way. Practically everyone in that episode was accusing her of being an accomplice, well, except for her family anyways. The accusers had no way of knowing.
And yes, that warden was a pos. The report he received beforehand specificially stated that Dial was not to be trusted to be alone with women due to his ability to manipulate people and the warden said he would run things however he pleased. :barf:
As much as I hate Dial's guts, the man could churn out some nice artwork.
MegtheEgg86 07-21-2013, 01:26 AM As much as I hate Dial's guts, the man could churn out some nice artwork.
This is true. I really liked some of his paintings.
gluserty 07-21-2013, 02:01 AM I think that's the rub, wiseguy1982; Dial wanted to be remembered. He was an artist at heart (could we use Charles Manson as an example also?) who wanted to leave his impression. Well, this is just my opinion though, so maybe I'm wrong here.
rarjake 07-21-2013, 09:40 AM i find it kind of difficult that she was not in on it.
if i remember correctly its been a few weeks since i seen this episode. but they were seen together, at some art dealer show. So its not as if she was kept inside chained up, and the lady talking to her said she seemed fine.
The husband is one naive bastard though, my god. Just watching him on the unsolved mysteries episode, he is like a mix of hank hill and andy griffith. say gosh golly there is no way my wife would ever run off with the inmate!
MegtheEgg86 07-21-2013, 04:08 PM i find it kind of difficult that she was not in on it.
if i remember correctly its been a few weeks since i seen this episode. but they were seen together, at some art dealer show. So its not as if she was kept inside chained up, and the lady talking to her said she seemed fine.
Actually, the eyewitness did not report that she "seemed fine." She said she seemed nervous and scared.
Moreover, you do not have to be physically restrained to be a kidnapping victim or in fear of your captor. Elizabeth Smart is a good example.
The husband is one naive bastard though, my god. Just watching him on the unsolved mysteries episode, he is like a mix of hank hill and andy griffith. say gosh golly there is no way my wife would ever run off with the inmate!
This from someone who thinks Jon Yount should have been released after ten years on a first degree murder conviction because gee golly, he did so many good things in prison.
MegtheEgg86 07-21-2013, 04:19 PM I think that's the rub, wiseguy1982; Dial wanted to be remembered. He was an artist at heart (could we use Charles Manson as an example also?) who wanted to leave his impression. Well, this is just my opinion though, so maybe I'm wrong here.
I think that's probably true. I do think he legitimately enjoyed creating art for its own sake--but I think he also thoroughly enjoyed the recognition it brought him. He really seemed to be a glutton for attention and ultimately approval from other people--once he had that, he could manipulate them.
rarjake 07-21-2013, 05:10 PM Actually, the eyewitness did not report that she "seemed fine." She said she seemed nervous and scared.
Moreover, you do not have to be physically restrained to be a kidnapping victim or in fear of your captor. Elizabeth Smart is a good example.
This from someone who thinks Jon Yount should have been released after ten years on a first degree murder conviction because gee golly, he did so many good things in prison.
Smart was a kid.
Also i never said that. I said that every other inmate her their life sentences commuted after ten years if they had a good prison record, not only did he have a good prison record his was great and he accomplished many great things. Everyone deserves to be treated as an equal, and its clear he was not.
Really have no idea how you want to bring this up for this point. When the evidence is overwhelming she was in on the escape.
MegtheEgg86 07-21-2013, 11:21 PM Smart was a kid.
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Traumatic bonding. Research it.
Also i never said that. I said that every other inmate her their life sentences commuted after ten years if they had a good prison record, not only did he have a good prison record his was great and he accomplished many great things. Everyone deserves to be treated as an equal, and its clear he was not.
How you can dismiss Randy Parker as a "naive bastard", and yet hold the belief that the justice system's first priority should be doling out reduced sentences (which they are not ENTITLED to under the law) to convicted murderers in the name of "fairness" is really pretty hilarious. If you don't think convicted first-degree murderers are often the type of people predisposed to repeat offend, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to show you.
You know what I don't think is fair? Being terrorized and then killed by someone you thought you could trust.
Really have no idea how you want to bring this up for this point. When the evidence is overwhelming she was in on the escape.
Please tell me what actual evidence there is that Bobbi Parker helped Randolph Dial plan and execute his escape from prison.
gluserty 07-22-2013, 01:18 AM I don't have a problem with Randy Parker; I don't agree to calling him a sucker, since loving someone can be complex.
Speaking of Dial's artwork, maybe he should have focused on that (I agree that it is pretty decent) instead of his elaborate way of becoming notorious.
Wow, the more I read the comments and think about it, maybe Bobbi Parker is an innocent here.
wiseguy182 07-22-2013, 08:16 AM Bobbi talked about how Dial would rape her with objects. I literally squirmed when she said that.
DALLASTEXAN!! 07-23-2013, 12:52 AM I have mentioned previously (and possibly in the minority here) but I have always thought she was a victim in all of this. There are questions that aren't going to be answered for me or anyone as to why she didn't do things differently but I think its easy to say what we would have done in the situation but actually being in the horrible situation you may do something completely different. I watched the Dateline episode a few days ago where Bobbi Parker talked for the first time and it just cemented my opinion that she didn't go willingly. She did say an experience like that changes you and I think she was living one day at a time and trying to comply and make Dial happy so she wouldn't be beat. She said when Charles Sasser called her she didn't want to talk to him (she was tired) but Dial went to go for his gun to threaten her so she did. She said when she asked him how her girls were she thought that would alert people and she would be found. She said she was beaten and raped many times. As far as her not leaving, she could have gotten away probably but she knew he could find her husband and daughters and would probably kill them like he told her he would. When asked why she didn't just write someone a note to let her family know she was alive she simply said "I didn't have permission". When she was reunited with her husband he even commented she had changed and would ask permission to go to the bathroom, get a drink, etc.
The one part of Dateline that really made me mad was the interview with that miserable Warden who was in charge when Dial escaped!!!! Definitely throwing Bobbi under the bus to save his own skin. He grants Dial trustee status even though the security report on him didn't support it and then claims he saw Dial and Bobbi cozy on the Parker's property. If he really did see that and was concerned he would have yanked his privileges. What I couldn't believe was when they said he was given a tip on 2 different occasions where Dial was and he didn't alert anybody! Said something ridiculous like he knew Dial was doing anything wrong so he didn't bother. How in the world would he knew what Dial was doing on the run? Just kidnapping, raping, beating and drugging someone repeatedly....yea he was a real choir boy on the run. :mad:
Good outlook here. I always thought she was kidnapped and just fell under his rule.
WishfulDreamer 07-23-2013, 02:03 AM Bobbi talked about how Dial would rape her with objects. I literally squirmed when she said that.
That really upset me as well. Also disturbing was how he would mentally abuse her, even killing her dogs after she'd gotten attached to them and holding a loaded gun to her head with threats.
If it's been confirmed that Dial really did obtain money from connections he had, then I can definitely see how she would really be afraid he'd be able to harm her family if she tried to get away.
MegtheEgg86 07-23-2013, 03:11 AM That really upset me as well. Also disturbing was how he would mentally abuse her, even killing her dogs after she'd gotten attached to them and holding a loaded gun to her head with threats.
I never understood why Dial seemed to go out of his way to spin that wild yard about the two rednecks who supposedly kidnapped Bobbi until I watched the interview and heard Bobbi mention the dogs. According to Dial, the two men shot her dogs when they took her from the property. Of course, he probably had to turn that one around to show himself a true good guy and hero instead of the controlling nutcase he actually was.
rarjake 07-31-2013, 01:29 AM i just don't buy her bull****, and i think most people think she is full of it. they found love letters in her home, she had access to the phone internet she was with him for 11 years. in all that time i am sure she had many times to call home for help, because she wasn't chained up, she wasn't locked in a room, she was free to walk and go wheverever and i am sure during that time she was left alone.
i always thought from the start that they both fell in love with each other, and i think that was further proved when they were found together 11 years later. to me it doesn't make much sense for him to abduct her if his whole intention was to escape.
i don't find it surprising that husband took her back. my god that guy is such a square, seeing him in that interview. he reminds of of Napoleon dynamites brother.
http://www.mojansami.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/napoleondynamitekipplayedbyaaronruell.jpg
MegtheEgg86 07-31-2013, 03:20 AM i don't find it surprising that husband took her back. my god that guy is such a square, seeing him in that interview. he reminds of of Napoleon dynamites brother.
http://www.mojansami.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/napoleondynamitekipplayedbyaaronruell.jpg
OMG U R SO FUNNY!!!1! :rolleyes:
I'm failing to see the connection between Randy Parker's physical appearance and Bobbi Parker's guilt in aiding Randolph Dial's escape.
Apostapler 07-31-2013, 10:15 AM I finally watched the dateline special about this. Despite her claims of rape, coercion and fear, I just can't believe her. Maybe that makes me heartless, but it doesn't add up in my head. I think she loved him and ran off with him, and wanted to save her own reputation in that interview. I feel sorry for her husband. I think he is genuine and wants to remain blind.
MegtheEgg86 07-31-2013, 01:48 PM I feel sorry for her husband.
Me too. Overall, he's a victim. No matter what actually went down, he got caught in the middle and it's not his fault. How anyone can go on to bad-mouth or ridicule him further--well, I suppose that says more about the person doing it than Randy Parker.
DanCart 07-31-2013, 01:53 PM That really upset me as well. Also disturbing was how he would mentally abuse her, even killing her dogs after she'd gotten attached to them and holding a loaded gun to her head with threats.
If it's been confirmed that Dial really did obtain money from connections he had, then I can definitely see how she would really be afraid he'd be able to harm her family if she tried to get away.
I do empathize with the lady given what she went through but questions have to be asked....... what did she expect ? I mean the guy is a convicted felon in jail for a very serious crime, did she think he would suddenly change into a prince charming?
Guys like that are in jail for a reason , a loepard never changes its spots ....
DanCart 07-31-2013, 01:58 PM Oklahoma warden's wife convicted of aiding escape
http://newsok.com/breaking-oklahoma-wardens-wife-convicted-of-aiding-escape/article/3606273
Published: September 21, 2011
The wife of a former prison warden has been convicted of helping an inmate escape and running off with him to start a new life together.
A Greer County jury determined that 49-year-old Bobbi Parker helped convicted killer Randolph Franklin Dial escape from the Oklahoma State Reformatory in 1994. The two were found living together in Texas in 2005.
Prosecutors contended that Parker and Dial fell in love after meeting in a pottery program held at the Parkers' home on prison grounds. Parker's husband was a deputy warden at the prison.
Parker and Dial maintained that he kidnapped her and used threats to keep her from seeking help. Dial died in 2007.
Parker and her husband remain a couple. The jury recommended one year in prison.
When I first heard of the details in this case it reminded me of Hardcastle and McCormick season 1 episode 5 :)
DanCart 07-31-2013, 02:04 PM This now adds her to the list of women on Unsolved Mysteries who ran off with prisoners, like Kay Beeman (who ran off with Edgar Kerns), Donna Moses (who married and ran off with Michael Wayne Brown) and Karen Walters (who married Richard Cepulonis). Why these women threw away their lives to be with these criminals is beyond me.
The excitement and the thrill partly explains why ....., compared to a boring husband who has a regular job , drives a pick-up ...yada yada yada ........a charming dangerous fella like those guys seems enticing to SOME women , remember the Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez groupies ;) ......
MegtheEgg86 07-31-2013, 02:06 PM I do empathize with the lady given what she went through but questions have to be asked....... what did she expect ? I mean the guy is a convicted felon in jail for a very serious crime, did she think he would suddenly change into a prince charming?
I assume you think she did in fact aid him and go willingly. Women who help prisoners escape usually are of the mind the inmate is already "changed", or that they've "already paid their debt to society", or that they're being unfairly imprisoned. It's not so much that they hope to change them--it's that they already feel they're transformed and ready for life back in society. Diane Broadbeck breaking out Jon Yount is a great example.
Guys like that are in jail for a reason , a loepard never changes its spots ....
I definitely agree in Dial's case.
DanCart 07-31-2013, 02:13 PM :lol:
Seriously, I think it has to do with the bad boy appeal with some of these women. Dating or marrying a criminal seems to give them excitement and thrills. Me, if I want excitement and thrills, I'll go down a water slide.
Another thing that makes these guys appealing is that even though they are dangerous the women know exactly were they are 24/7 and these guys arent going to cheat on them :lol:
DanCart 07-31-2013, 02:30 PM That's basically how I lean. I never really had the feeling she was in on it. Now I'm certain she wasn't, and I feel she was probably a victim all along after reading Dial's account and watching her interview. When she talked about some of those years, I had the distinct impression she was emotionally detached from those events. It's how many victims of violent crime, abused people, and combat veterans speak. That's what struck me about it the most. I think she was telling the truth.
That guy was a JERK. Dial writes about how he and the warden were big buds, that they were essentially peers on opposite sides of the bars. THAT part I can totally believe. ODOC should have fired Cowley and rehired him just to fire him again, because he deserved it. When he asked the interviewer if she was trying to imply that he was to blame in large part for Dial's escape, I actually talked back to the screen. Uh, yeah dude, wake up and smell that state-issue coffee--that's exactly what she's getting at, you dolt.
:lol:
DanCart 07-31-2013, 02:40 PM I assume you think she did in fact aid him and go willingly. Women who help prisoners escape usually are of the mind the inmate is already "changed", or that they've "already paid their debt to society", or that they're being unfairly imprisoned. It's not so much that they hope to change them--it's that they already feel they're transformed and ready for life back in society. Diane Broadbeck breaking out Jon Yount is a great example.
I definitely agree in Dial's case.
Interesting points Meg :) ! What happened to your old avatar ? It was quite charming .....
MegtheEgg86 07-31-2013, 02:47 PM Interesting points Meg :) ! What happened to your old avatar ? It was quite charming .....
The last one that was a black-and-white photo? That was a newspaper photograph of Christi Nichols and her children. I'd really love to see the day she receives some justice under the law--that is, Mark Nichols finally facing what he did in court.
WishfulDreamer 07-31-2013, 08:14 PM OMG U R SO FUNNY!!!1! :rolleyes:
I'm failing to see the connection between Randy Parker's physical appearance and Bobbi Parker's guilt in aiding Randolph Dial's escape.
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I have never, ever understood the negative reactions toward Randy Parker. People making comments on how he looks aside (which is totally irrelevant), he seems like a very compassionate, loving husband who believes his wife, waited for her, and defends her unwaveringly. He also continued raising their two kids while she was gone and I believe he continued working as well. He seems like a really nice man and as you said Meg, whether Bobbi went with Dial willingly or not, he is blameless and just caught up in the middle.
wiseguy182 08-01-2013, 05:30 AM I'm surprised so many people think Bobbi was in on it. I definitely don't think she was. In any event, I still maintain there was zero proof and the jury shouldn't have found her guilty. Another good example of a bad jury, and sadly it cuts both ways.
When a prisoner, like Dial, was given permission to go off prison grounds, without supervision, it's begging for a bad situation. Unfortunately I think she was an easy target due to where she lived in proximity and she being the assistant warden's wife. For Dial, I"m sure he figured people would go looking for her and she made a "good hostage" for him.
Yes, perhaps there was a chance she could escape or maybe she didn't have to write those love letters, but I think she thought about the consequences of what would happen if the escape didn't go through as planned, for example. What if something went wrong? Dial could have killed her and/or her family.
To respond to some of yesterday's posts, I too have heard about the Richard Ramirez groupies. Don't understand it at all. Not only was he one of the sickest monsters in all of society, but he was fug. I mean, we're talking Lord, God, King of the Fugs. I've also heard of some of what he said in the courtroom. He was not a pleasant person in any way, shape or form.
Hardcastle and McCormick. Never seen it, but Daniel Hugh Kelly is a brilliant actor.
TheCars1986 08-01-2013, 10:23 PM She wrote love letters to the guy that "abducted" her away from her husband and children...'nuff said.
marlins3 10-23-2015, 10:14 AM According to an Oklahoma news broadcast (on yt), Dial said he abducted Parker against her will. Make of that what you will (he's either telling the truth or believes Bobbi could be an asset outside of jail to possibly help him escape again or some other nefarious activity). According to the story, Dial repeatedly threatened the safety of her family if she refused to cooperate.
The love letters may have been some sort of deranged form of torture. Dial was infatuated with Parker and may have forced her to write love letters to him to fulfill a sick fantasy.
DALLASTEXAN!! 10-23-2015, 05:50 PM this was always a tough one for me. I always felt she was a victim but there was some type of mutual relationship between her and dial. could she have left him sooner? that was always my question but clearly she was a victim of his.
Clockwork 04-08-2024, 01:41 AM How do people not realize there would have been tons of times she could have escaped. She is living with him for a decade and there wasn't a single time he was asleep when she wasn't? Or even had too much to drink? Or she couldn't have put so much as a bunch of muscle relaxer in his coffee? Come on. He clearly wasn't killing her, so unless she was handcuffed and locked in a basement then she was an accomplice. She was gorgeous too. I can get why Dial wanted her, but why would she want him? He was so much older. And those could have been some great years that Randy would have had with Bobbie too. Those are lost forever. She also lost all of that time with her daughters. And I don't know how their relationship is now, but how can it ever be fully repaired? Unless that is Randy is in denial and believes Bobbie.
Sorry, I don't. If we believe in the eye witness sighting she was seen with him at an art show wearing a blonde wig. It would have been easy to just call out for help right then. But the best excuse people come up with is that he threatened to hurt her family if she tried to escape? Or so he says so. Yeah, right. How can that happen? He'd be in jail!
While I think Bobbie is the culprit, to me the ones who are just as big as culprits are the prisons for this. You know, I get allowing some prisoners to do some outside work and putting some trust in them. But why do murderers get this right? Why was he sent to a minimum security prison in the first place? They constantly screw this up. Let a guy do some work outside the prison who robbed a bank but didn't hurt anyone. Or someone not doing hard time or that didn't commit a violent crime. Not a murderer! Come on, that is asking for nothing but a bad ending. It is this obsession in our society that everyone can be rehabilitated.
rusty spike 04-10-2024, 02:12 PM I'm probably going to roasted for saying this, but I thought Randy Parker was sqauresville, a not very exciting type of a guy. I think the reenactment shows Randy coming to his warden bungalow to eat a bologna sandwich (implied that he did this every single day). I'm not suggesting that boring type of fellows (I'm one myself) deserved to be cheated on, but I have a feeling that Bobbi felt bored and possibly trapped in a marginal marriage. To Bobbi, Dial was the exact opposite of Randy and that may have been attractive to her.
I think her reluctance to say or do anything to escape from Dial or possibly even blame Dial for her abduction gave bad vibes to investigators. I am guessing that Randy, who I think always held out that she would return, tried to convince LE that she was not a conspirator in Dial's escape.
When it comes to relationships, very few are 50-50 in terms of love. I think Randy loved Bobbi more than she loved him. In real life I know men who love their women to pieces, but they are secretly looking for their next hook-ups. Sad but true.
DALLASTEXAN!! 04-11-2024, 12:01 AM I'm probably going to roasted for saying this, but I thought Randy Parker was sqauresville, a not very exciting type of a guy. I think the reenactment shows Randy coming to his warden bungalow to eat a bologna sandwich (implied that he did this every single day). I'm not suggesting that boring type of fellows (I'm one myself) deserved to be cheated on, but I have a feeling that Bobbi felt bored and possibly trapped in a marginal marriage. To Bobbi, Dial was the exact opposite of Randy and that may have been attractive to her.
I think her reluctance to say or do anything to escape from Dial or possibly even blame Dial for her abduction gave bad vibes to investigators. I am guessing that Randy, who I think always held out that she would return, tried to convince LE that she was not a conspirator in Dial's escape.
When it comes to relationships, very few are 50-50 in terms of love. I think Randy loved Bobbi more than she loved him. In real life I know men who love their women to pieces, but they are secretly looking for their next hook-ups. Sad but true.
I feel bad for Randy. I think he is naive. I would have serious questions about the evidence that authorities found as well as the fact that Bobbi did not leave Dial after many opportunities. I find it strange that Bobbi called others when able, but never called Randy. I do see Randy as a victim, as well as his poor children who lost their mother.
this is a good example of a segment where my opinion has evolved over time as we have received more information. there's another thread where we recently talked about a television special that showed evidence that Bobbi had a consensual relationship with Dial. it was dateline "the devil and Bobbi Parker"
This is either one of the most extreme cases of Stockholm syndrome that I have ever seen as it is evident that after the kidnapping she at some point she did fall in love with Dial. Or she left on her own accord and they pretended that there was a kidnapping to save her from being charged and enabled her to reunite with her family when it was obvious that Dial's days were numbered.
MediaHoarder 05-06-2024, 10:43 AM A few things on this one.
First, even before the segment was over, I was quite convinced she aided in the escape. It fits a pattern that shows up from time to time of a woman aiding in the escape of a prisoner because they are more exciting and alluring than their everyday life. Not the first case we've seen like that.
Second, the circumstances after they were caught make it patently obvious that she was not being held against her will. She could have easily escaped and returned to her children and choose not to.
Third, greatly reinforcing the prior point, is the claim made by Dial that there was never a romantic relationship and she was held against her will. Now lets see, if you are a wanted criminal on the run and used the deputy warden's wife to facilitate the escape and are now holding her against her will but you also have no attachment to her why on earth would you keep her? She has the ability to blow your cover completely if she gets away or even communicates with anyone. If that was really the case he never would have kept her around, he would have either dumped her somewhere or more likely killed her to remove the liability. No, this claim was purely made to cover for her once the jig was up.
Fourth, the deputy warden's insistence that she was a victim and taken against her will radiates denial. He didn't want to believe his wife would pick up and leave him and the kids for the likes of Dial but that is exactly what happened. On top of that, the fact that he let a convicted murderer be anywhere remotely close to his family like that is insane, I wouldn't let someone like that be the gardener if it meant letting the yard revert to prairie.
Fifth, Oklahoma once again shows up as the state of prison escapes and criminals getting off with light sentences.
Sixth, I'm a bit surprised this made it onto the Amazon Episodes, the update completely omits her conviction for aiding and abetting Dial so perhaps that censorship was required for it to be shown.
MediaHoarder 05-06-2024, 10:43 AM A few things on this one.
First, even before the segment was over, I was quite convinced she aided in the escape. It fits a pattern that shows up from time to time of a woman aiding in the escape of a prisoner because they are more exciting and alluring than their everyday life. Not the first case we've seen like that.
Second, the circumstances after they were caught make it patently obvious that she was not being held against her will. She could have easily escaped and returned to her children and choose not to.
Third, greatly reinforcing the prior point, is the claim made by Dial that there was never a romantic relationship and she was held against her will. Now lets see, if you are a wanted criminal on the run and used the deputy warden's wife to facilitate the escape and are now holding her against her will but you also have no attachment to her why on earth would you keep her? She has the ability to blow your cover completely if she gets away or even communicates with anyone. If that was really the case he never would have kept her around, he would have either dumped her somewhere or more likely killed her to remove the liability. No, this claim was purely made to cover for her once the jig was up.
Fourth, the deputy warden's insistence that she was a victim and taken against her will radiates denial. He didn't want to believe his wife would pick up and leave him and the kids for the likes of Dial but that is exactly what happened. On top of that, the fact that he let a convicted murderer be anywhere remotely close to his family like that is insane, I wouldn't let someone like that be the gardener if it meant letting the yard revert to prairie.
Fifth, Oklahoma once again shows up as the state of prison escapes and criminals getting off with light sentences.
Sixth, I'm a bit surprised this made it onto the Amazon Episodes, the update completely omits her conviction for aiding and abetting Dial so perhaps that censorship was required for it to be shown.
DALLASTEXAN!! 05-06-2024, 03:41 PM A few things on this one.
First, even before the segment was over, I was quite convinced she aided in the escape. It fits a pattern that shows up from time to time of a woman aiding in the escape of a prisoner because they are more exciting and alluring than their everyday life. Not the first case we've seen like that.
Second, the circumstances after they were caught make it patently obvious that she was not being held against her will. She could have easily escaped and returned to her children and choose not to.
Third, greatly reinforcing the prior point, is the claim made by Dial that there was never a romantic relationship and she was held against her will. Now lets see, if you are a wanted criminal on the run and used the deputy warden's wife to facilitate the escape and are now holding her against her will but you also have no attachment to her why on earth would you keep her? She has the ability to blow your cover completely if she gets away or even communicates with anyone. If that was really the case he never would have kept her around, he would have either dumped her somewhere or more likely killed her to remove the liability. No, this claim was purely made to cover for her once the jig was up.
Fourth, the deputy warden's insistence that she was a victim and taken against her will radiates denial. He didn't want to believe his wife would pick up and leave him and the kids for the likes of Dial but that is exactly what happened. On top of that, the fact that he let a convicted murderer be anywhere remotely close to his family like that is insane, I wouldn't let someone like that be the gardener if it meant letting the yard revert to prairie.
Fifth, Oklahoma once again shows up as the state of prison escapes and criminals getting off with light sentences.
Sixth, I'm a bit surprised this made it onto the Amazon Episodes, the update completely omits her conviction for aiding and abetting Dial so perhaps that censorship was required for it to be shown.
I don't think this prison escape and love story is the same as the others from the show. it seems more complex. there were a lot of issues here and you pointed most of them out. the strangest thing for me is that Bobbi went back to her family after the fact. that makes me wonder if she was actually kidnapped and later opted to stay with randy for whatever reason, whether its Stockholm syndrome or whatever. it could be possible that Bobbi had feelings for Randy, but did not want to leave her family behind. he could have taken advantage of Bobbi. The fact that she stayed with him and that he later returned her and protected her honor by saying he kidnapped her, leads me to believe that they were both in love with each other. but we will never know the complete truth of whether Bobbi initially was kidnapped or not.
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