"It's over, in the same way the jazz era is over ... That doesn't mean there will be no more good rock musicians, but rock as a prevailing style is part of music history"

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/07/10-years-after-the-white-stripes-saved-it-rock-is-again-in-crisis/241365/


Another great rock station in NYC is biting the dust. WXRP 101.9 is changing formats to an all talk radio station. Why can't Rock-n-Roll sell anymore?

I think rock and roll is evolving, and will always evolve.

it may not be what the media wants to sell people, but it is still out there.

Jazz is alive and quite well, and so is rock and roll. There are other forms of rock (and good rock) that you dont see in the mainstream circles.

A New Wave of Music has yet to come, this happens every 30 years.

Twenty years ago, the Seattle grunge movement allegedly "killed" metal. Didn't happen. Metal was not quite the commercial force at that point, but it did not die. It has made a huge comeback in the past ten years, but it never went away. It went underground, but it did not die. Commerciality does not indicate whether or not a musical trend is viable.

I didn't realize that the duo of the White Stripes were such a cultural force.
I know that there was a stream of bands with this sort of "retro" alternative sound ten years ago, but the lack of such trendsetters these days does not mean that "rock and roll is dead". If rock and roll has to depend on commercial hype to validate itself, then we'd have to accept Justin Bieber and
Lady Gaga as the biggest cultural forces in music today--simply because of the "commercial" factor. puke:

Rock and roll has had its death sentence announced countless times ever since the death of Buddy Holly. Never happened. Somewhere out there is the future of rock and roll waiting to turn the world up on its vertical smile.

Rock isn't dead, it's there if you know where to look for it. It's just that the mainstream music industry right now is too focused on the electronic pop/rock/dance hybrid music with cameos by rappers. Once people get tired of it eventually, there will be something else to take its place.

"It's over, in the same way the jazz era is over ... That doesn't mean there will be no more good rock musicians, but rock as a prevailing style is part of music history"

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/07/10-years-after-the-white-stripes-saved-it-rock-is-again-in-crisis/241365/


Another great rock station in NYC is biting the dust. WXRP 101.9 is changing formats to an all talk radio station. Why can't Rock-n-Roll sell anymore?


I wouldn't go so far as to say it's dead, but it's atleast on life support. Iv'e searched for alot of the underground, or indie groups, I spend alot of time doing that, and honestly I thought that most of what I heard was crap. I don't even think they should call it Rock & Roll anymore. I think that's a slap in the face to all of the great Rock & Roll singers of the past.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's dead, but it's atleast on life support. Iv'e searched for alot of the underground, or indie groups, I spend alot of time doing that, and honestly I thought that most of what I heard was crap. I don't even think they should call it Rock & Roll anymore. I think that's a slap in the face to all of the great Rock & Roll singers of the past.
True. Rock music is vastly different today than it was in the '60s and '70s. Just compare the top 40 of the last 10 years or so with the top 40 about 40 or 50 years ago.

After the news format on the former WRXP failed, the rock format was borught back . . . only to be dropped again when another Big Media company bought it and decided to use it to simulcast an AM sports station. Imagine a musical format so unpopular and unprofitable a Big Medai company would rather simulcast a sports station on AM instead.

I'll come right out and say it: Rock music is now, and has been since Hendrix died, the province of white guys with guitars, and in the 21st century, there are fewer of both these days. Only six percent of teenagers - mostly white, I suspect - listen to rock radio, while twenty percent of teenagers - a rainbow coalition, I assume - listen to hip-hop radio. As soon as white men start bitching about the decline of rock music and rock radio, they sound like Michael Douglas's character in Falling Down by threatening to roll popular music back to 1975!

Face it, fellow honkies, our favorite musical genre is finished. We're culturally irrelevant. Rock is dead, they say - long live hip-hop! :p

It's not dead, it's just irrelevant.

It's not dead, it's just irrelevant.

Just like us white guys. :lol:

Just like us white guys. :lol:

I disagree. Back in the late 70's, disco was the new popular musical genre. But there were still popular rock and roll acts like Springsteen, Bob Seger, etc who were relevant around that time. Same goes for today. The whole auto-tune dance music thing is the new disco, but there's still relevant rock music out there. I think Billboard got a little carried away with their ridiculous amount of different charts that they have. Instead of just having a top 100 (which includes everything), you have top 100 adult, top 100 mainstream rock, top 100 digital, top 100 pop, etc. This is another reason why people perceive rock to be dead or irrelevant, because most of the top 100 is rap/hip-hop or that crappy auto-tune craptastick crap.

I don't even think they should call it Rock & Roll anymore. I think that's a slap in the face to all of the great Rock & Roll singers of the past.

I agree. What music I am hearing today is not rock music! It pretty much ended with the 80's.:( But thankfully there are still plenty of radio stations who still play it! My personal preference is 70's rock. CCR, The Doobies, Three Dog Night, Steve Miller Band, The Guess Who, etc.

I disagree. Back in the late 70's, disco was the new popular musical genre. But there were still popular rock and roll acts like Springsteen, Bob Seger, etc who were relevant around that time. Same goes for today. The whole auto-tune dance music thing is the new disco, but there's still relevant rock music out there. I think Billboard got a little carried away with their ridiculous amount of different charts that they have. Instead of just having a top 100 (which includes everything), you have top 100 adult, top 100 mainstream rock, top 100 digital, top 100 pop, etc. This is another reason why people perceive rock to be dead or irrelevant, because most of the top 100 is rap/hip-hop or that crappy auto-tune craptastick crap.

Disco came to popularity mid-70's. People seem to assume that the 70's was only disco. There were a lot of great rock bands then. Grand Funk, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath,Aerosmith, CCR, BTO, . The 70's rocked big time! :guitar:

I have seen the word 'Rock' as a very general term, used for decades, to describe pop, hard rock, Acid Rock, Soft Rock R&B, Top 10, Top 40, and the meanings get blurred, and covers very diverse types of music. I don't think "Rock" will ever die, or is dying, but it will change according to the times and generations. So then, is there such a thing as rock? Sorry for the 'zen' answer guys--just never understood what 'rock' actually was. All I know is that I like some of it. :)

I disagree. Back in the late 70's, disco was the new popular musical genre. But there were still popular rock and roll acts like Springsteen, Bob Seger, etc who were relevant around that time. Same goes for today. The whole auto-tune dance music thing is the new disco, but there's still relevant rock music out there. I think Billboard got a little carried away with their ridiculous amount of different charts that they have. Instead of just having a top 100 (which includes everything), you have top 100 adult, top 100 mainstream rock, top 100 digital, top 100 pop, etc. This is another reason why people perceive rock to be dead or irrelevant, because most of the top 100 is rap/hip-hop or that crappy auto-tune craptastick crap.

Good point, and if the government brought back media regulation and
broke up Clear Channel, we'd have local rock stations willing to serve potentially loyal rock audiences!

Disco came to popularity mid-70's. People seem to assume that the 70's was only disco. There were a lot of great rock bands then. Grand Funk, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath,Aerosmith, CCR, BTO, . The 70's rocked big time! :guitar:

Which is why I said there was still a lot of popular rock and roll acts in the seventies despite disco's popularity.

Which is why I said there was still a lot of popular rock and roll acts in the seventies despite disco's popularity.

Right but what I really meant to say is that a lot of times when I mention how I love 70's music I usually get "ugh, disco!" That is so lame! And this is from people who were living in the 70's not younger people who don't know any better. I just get tired of that .:rolleyes: Oh and by the way, I do like ABBA!Actually disco has grown on me over the years. It wasn't all bad!:wave:

But can we admit that that Barbra Streisand/Donna Summer collaboration sucked? :D

It died in the 70s along with everything else.

Jack Black said it for all time in School of Rock - MTV came along and ruined everything.

METAL'S ALIVE. :rock: :rock:

Jack Black said it for all time in School of Rock - MTV came along and ruined everything.
And now MTV's ruined. They don't even play videos practically. Like it killed itself. :D

New York City got its first country station since 1996. Still no commercial modern rock station after WRXP bit the dust. And the one public station that plays any modern rock is strapped for cash. I'm mad. :mad:

Most of the rock you hear these days in mainstream radio is from country, another genre of music that made a huge comeback in the mid 90's and continues to thrive because it's offered as "safer moral alternative" to current rap, pop and dance music. But most of modern country is virtually unlistenable and it's just as repetitive in its themes as pop music is.

Right but what I really meant to say is that a lot of times when I mention how I love 70's music I usually get "ugh, disco!" That is so lame! And this is from people who were living in the 70's not younger people who don't know any better. I just get tired of that .:rolleyes: Oh and by the way, I do like ABBA!Actually disco has grown on me over the years. It wasn't all bad!:wave:

I agree with your comments in this thread, sounds like we have a similar taste in music. You would probably like my best hits of the 70's collection that I put together. Over 300 songs on 28 CD's spanning the decade 1970 to 79, not a bad song in the bunch all of them are good.

I agree with your comments in this thread, sounds like we have a similar taste in music. You would probably like my best hits of the 70's collection that I put together. Over 300 songs on 28 CD's spanning the decade 1970 to 79, not a bad song in the bunch all of them are good.

I have quite a collection of my favorites also which include The Doobies, CCR, Three Dog Night, Wings, The Guess Who, Fleetwood Mac, Peter Frampton,The BeeGees, James Taylor, Gordon Lightfoot, etc.to name a few! Great stuff! I like 60's too,especially the British Invasion era. But overall I prefer the 70's!:dance:

I have quite a collection of my favorites also which include The Doobies, CCR, Three Dog Night, Wings, The Guess Who, Fleetwood Mac, Peter Frampton,The BeeGees, James Taylor, Gordon Lightfoot, etc.to name a few! Great stuff! I like 60's too,especially the British Invasion era. But overall I prefer the 70's!:dance:

All those artists you mentioned, all of them are represented in my 70's hits collection. When I first completed the collection, I had 288 songs on 24 CD's. But later on I added 60 more songs on 4 CD's, for a total of 348 songs on 28 CD's. I have some cool stuff from the 60's also that I listen to once in a while. Overall, I like TV from the 60's and music from the 70's.

Jack Black said it for all time in School of Rock - MTV came along and ruined everything.

I agree although if it weren't for the early days of MTV and Much Music I might never have been exposed to many of the 80's artists I like.

The 80s were the beginning of the end for rock. Instead of going for smart acts like the Blasters and Marshall Crenshaw, we, the record buying majority, went for synthesized dance pop and hair metal.

And now MTV's ruined. They don't even play videos practically. Like it killed itself. :D

MTV's peak period was from 1981 to 86, when they basically ran music videos 24/7. Starting in 1987, they started mixing in other programming and all the original VJ's were gone.

MTV's peak period was from 1981 to 86.

:yeahthat

The early days of MTV were great for being exposed to different bands and different types of music that mainstream radio wasn't playing.

The early days of MTV were great for being exposed to different bands and different types of music that mainstream radio wasn't playing.

Except that they forced Duran Duran down our throats.

Except that they forced Duran Duran down our throats.
I dunno, is it just us, or was Duran Duran just really the most useless excuse for a band in existence? :confused:

I keep on hearing songs like "Rio" and all that on the radio, and I'm thinking, what was the point?? ohno:

Except that they forced Duran Duran down our throats.

I'm 50/50 on this, Like many 80's bands they have songs I love and others I can't stand.

I dunno, is it just us, or was Duran Duran just really the most useless excuse for a band in existence? :confused:

I keep on hearing songs like "Rio" and all that on the radio, and I'm thinking, what was the point?? ohno:

The videos mattered, not the music.

I like Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf "and" Rio". Back in the day when my daughter was in her early teens she was absolutely gaga over Duran Duran!(especially John Taylor) They were cute I have to admit! I never put her down about them because I was nutso about The Beatles. I totally understood her obsession! To this day she is still gaga over them! :crazy: Anyway I don't think there were THAT bad! Girls see things totally different then guys.They were a teenage girl's dream. And yes, MTV certainly contributed to that! :wave:

I liked Duran Duran and still enjoy listening to their music. Just because it has synths and a dance beat doesn't mean it's worthless. 90% of the music I love is dance music.

The videos mattered, not the music.
True, the videos made a sucky song cool.

And vice versa: Case in point--"Rock Me Tonite" by Billy Squier. Gosh, that was corny. ohno:

I did see him on that tour in 1984, which was pretty cool, actually. :rock:

True, the videos made a sucky song cool.

And vice versa: Case in point--"Rock Me Tonite" by Billy Squier. Gosh, that was corny. ohno:

I did see him on that tour in 1984, which was pretty cool, actually. :rock:

If video hadn't existed, Billy Squier might have been able to make it on his music alone. Heck, he almost did!

I personally think that the era of rock and roll was from the 1950s-1980s. I think that by the end of the 1980s everyone started listening to Hip-hop and rap. And then auto-tune, unfortunately, came into the picture. And MTV did indeed basically kill itself along with VH1. I personally think that the older rock music was more original then today's.

You have a lot of current bands but not too many of them are relevant because not enough people listen to them. My God, how did we get to the point where radio conglomerates would rather air FM siumlcasts of AM sports talk radio than play current rock bands??