View Full Version : Was There Ever A Moment When 'The Mary Tyler Moore Show' ALMOST Jumped the Shark???


Brian Damage
04-06-2011, 10:00 PM
We all know TMTMS is a classic show, but was there ever an episode or a character addition or set change that made you think that this show is starting to go downhill? OR Was it simply perfect for 7 seasons?

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Retro4Life
04-06-2011, 10:25 PM
I don't think the show was perfect, but it never had a noticeable slip in quality, in my mind.

I think, had the show continued, it had the potential to jump, simply because most of the conflicts and storylines that defined the show had been explored and resolved, and when that happens you always have the danger of repeating yourself or drastically altering the show's dynamic so that the show becomes unrecognizable.

But...having said that, I think that James Brooks is one creator that wouldn't allow his show to limp on past the point where it was still vital and "must see" viewing. He's one of the few who has that type of integrity, I'd say. (The Simpsons MIGHT be an exception, but it has "jumped back" a few times, so I'll let it pass.)

Brian Damage
04-06-2011, 10:32 PM
I don't think the show was perfect, but it never had a noticeable slip in quality, in my mind.

I think, had the show continued, it had the potential to jump, simply because most of the conflicts and storylines that defined the show had been explored and resolved, and when that happens you always have the danger of repeating yourself or drastically altering the show's dynamic so that the show becomes unrecognizable.

But...having said that, I think that James Brooks is one creator that wouldn't allow his show to limp on past the point where it was still vital and "must see" viewing. He's one of the few who has that type of integrity, I'd say. (The Simpsons MIGHT be an exception, but it has "jumped back" a few times, so I'll let it pass.)


Excellent post Retro, I agree almost 100%. While I don't think TMTMS ever really came close to "Jumping," James L. Brooks did I feel let a couple of shows last a bit too long. One of which was Taxi. IMO

Retro4Life
04-06-2011, 10:45 PM
^ Thanks.

Five years for Taxi doesn't seem like overly long to me, though. The network switch hurt the show's ratings but IMHO the final season was still high quality. I did miss Bobby the last two years, and they did throw in a bit too much Simka for my taste, but no noticeable "jump".

What did you see as the "jumping" moment, Brian?

Brian Damage
04-06-2011, 10:52 PM
^ Thanks.

Five years for Taxi doesn't seem like overly long to me, though. The network switch hurt the show's ratings but IMHO the final season was still high quality. I did miss Bobby the last two years, and they did throw in a bit too much Simka for my taste, but no noticeable "jump".

What did you see as the "jumping" moment, Brian?


For Taxi? Definitely the addition of Simka and all the Latka "Vic Ferrari" personalites.

Retro4Life
04-06-2011, 11:01 PM
I'm with you on the emphasis on Latka's personalities. Didn't quite equal a shark jump for me, but I can see where you are coming from, definitely.

LittleRickyII
04-07-2011, 06:40 PM
For Taxi? Definitely the addition of Simka and all the Latka "Vic Ferrari" personalites.

Agreed!

EJK22
04-09-2011, 09:34 AM
Yo, Brian.

Newbie here.

Far from perfect. IMHO, 90% of the "Mary boyfriend" shows -- of which there were plenty -- are real duds. And they certainly went into full jump mode in year 6 with the introduction of Ted Bessell as Mary's steady. Lucky they bounced him after only a few eps.

OH Nuts!
04-09-2011, 02:51 PM
No never....the show rode out on top...surfing the TV waves very nicely...missing any jaws action from my eyes