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hostedbyrobertstack 02-06-2011, 02:45 PM So I was thinking, in many of the other posts regarding cases, we have posted images of the different locations, whether they are self-taken images, google pictures, or google streetview snapshots. Anyways, I think it is always interesting to see the locations now-a-days. Do you think it's possible to make this thread a "sticky" at the top to where everyone can post images, etc... of locations? For instance, I have images of the Perman Gilbert locations, I have found the Stanley Gryziec home on google streetview, etc... It will be a big thread, but I think it could be worth it. Hopefully everyone agrees! (PS. I know I did not post any images in this, ha!)
Gelatinous Goo 02-06-2011, 04:04 PM Hear, hear! I second the request.
dynoguy88 02-06-2011, 11:26 PM There's on old thread from 2 years ago that was dedicated to UM locations somewhere on here.
dynoguy88 02-16-2011, 01:58 PM Since I'm a Google Street View-aholic now, I'll post also post any pictures I find in this thread too.
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DEBRA POE:
I found the Circle K Convenience Store that Debra Poe was abducted from. It's located near the corner of Hall Road and Aloma Avenue in Orlando. Again, the picture gets blurry when you zoom in so it's not of the best quality.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Debra1.jpg
Zooming out, you can see the surrounding buildings. There's a house right next to the convenience store and an insurance company right next to the house. For some reason, I always pictured this store on a lonely highway in the middle of nowhere. Obviously I was wrong.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Debra2.jpg
This last photo shows what is across the street from the convenience store. Plenty of homes fenced in. It's a nice sized residential neighborhood. Further proof that the store is right in the middle of town.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Debra3.jpg
dynoguy88 02-16-2011, 01:59 PM BOBBIE OBERHOLTZER:
This is Hoosier Pass which is used as a scenic overlook. Bobbie's killer attempted to rape her in this parking lot.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Orange1.jpg
This next photo shows you the path of Bobbie's final steps. After the killer attempted to bind her wrists inside his vehicle, she escaped from him and ran along Highway 9. The circle to the right is the south side of the parking lot where she exited and the circle to the left is where she was killed.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Orange2.jpg
Going further down Highway 9, we get a closer look at the trees surrounding the spot where she ended up. This set of trees was where Bobbie hoped to hide from the killer after escaping him in the parking lot. Just on the other side of the 50 MPH speed limit sign is where she turned to run off the road.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Orange3.jpg
I was able to find the cross that was placed where Bobbie's body was found. It's circled. When you zoom in on Google Street View, the picture quality gets a little blurry so it's not the best photo. But I was surprised I found the cross.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Orange4.jpg
You'll notice that the cross is very close to the edge of the road suggesting she didn't make it very far. But that's not exactly where she was shot. Her tracks and blood in the snow turned around back to the road suggesting that the killer drove off right after he shot her and she tried to make it back to the road in hopes of flagging somebody down. Unfortunately, the snow banks at the time were so deep that it was next to impossible to climb back up to the road in her condition. She made it about halfway before finally losing strength and collapsing where the cross is.
dynoguy88 02-16-2011, 02:01 PM KURT SOVA:
Here is Susan's duplex on Harvard Avenue in Newburgh Heights.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Sova1.jpg
The fence where Kurt's friend supposedly left him to go back inside and get his jacket is still to the left side of the house.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Sova2.jpg
Just down the street on Harvard Avenue is this old building. It was a J.L. Goodman furniture store at the time of Kurt's death in 1981. Apparently behind this building is the ravine where Kurt's body was found.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Sova3.jpg
It was stated on the UM segment that the duplex and the ravine where Kurt's body was found were just 500 yards apart. This final picture is a street view to give you a better idea of just how short of a distance it is between the two spots. The circle on the left is the house that's right next door to the duplex. The circle on the right is where the ravine is located behind the building.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Sova4.jpg
dynoguy88 02-16-2011, 02:03 PM CINDY JAMES:
This is where it all started in October 1982. 334 East 40th Ave. in Vancouver.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Cindyloc5.jpg
Cindy rented this house for 4 months shortly after she and her husband separated. A young couple lived downstairs in the basement suite at the time. Threatening notes and the first threatening phone calls happened here. This was also the location of the first attack on January 27, 1983. Agnes Woodcock found Cindy behind the house in the basement stairwell. She had several cuts over her body and a nylon stocking was tied around her neck.
After temporarily moving back to her old house where she lived with her husband after the attack, Cindy moved in to this house at 3293 West 14th Avenue in Vancouver.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Cindyloc2.jpg
Cindy lived here for about 2 1/2 years, from April 1983 to December 1985. This is the house where 3 dead cats were thrown in both the front and back yards. Her garden was torn up. The second attack happened here on January 30, 1984. Ozzie Kaban walked out back, looked inside the window and found Cindy unconscious in the kitchen. A threatening note was pinned with a parry knife through her hand.
This was Cindy's next house located at 5400 Blundell Road in Vancouver.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Cindyloc4.jpg
Cindy rented this duplex for about a year. This was where the basement was set on fire while the Woodcocks were spending the night with Cindy. The basement window had also been broken on another occasion. Continued threating phone calls and her porch lights were uncrewed. After the fire, Cindy had an emotional breakdown and had to be hospitalized for 10 weeks. Cindy's landlord kicked her out of this house not long after.
Cindy lived at this house for the last year of her life, on 8220 Claysmith Road in Richmond.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Cindyloc3.jpg
The UM segment never reenacted the last attack but it happened here. A police officer found Cindy unconscious in her car and in the garage on October 26, 1988. She was nude from the waist down and she had been strangled with a nylon stocking again.
This is the shopping center where Cindy disappeared for the final time on No. 2 and Blundell Road in Richmond.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Cindyloc.jpg
On May 25, 1989, Cindy bought some groceries at this shopping center and a birthday present for a family friend. She was last seen depositing her paycheck at this location. Where it says "Eve Station," is where the bank used to be. This parking lot was where Cindy's car was found with blood on the driver's side door and her credit cards were under the car.
This final picture is the approximate location where Cindy's body was found, near the corner of No. 3 and Blundell Road, about a mile from the shopping center.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Cindyloc6.jpg
The creepy looking abandoned house was torn down a couple years after Cindy's death. At the time, many new homes and businesses were being built so this is harder to recognize, but the first thing we see at the beginning of the segment when Cindy's body is being transported away.
dynoguy88 02-16-2011, 02:08 PM COLLEEN RITTER / RICK CHURCH:
The Ritter home is located at 209 West Greenwood Ave. in Woodstock, Illinois.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Colleen1.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Colleen2.jpg
Looks like this was one of those segments where Unsolved Mysteries went to the exact location to reenact the crime. Here are screen caps from the segment...
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Richard.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Richard2.jpg
Steve W. 02-16-2011, 02:51 PM good work!
nicoge21 02-16-2011, 04:02 PM How about The Whackers house?
hostedbyrobertstack 02-17-2011, 12:36 AM From the Perman Gilbert segment in Ohio...personally taken, you will be able to see...
Mt. Orab Sign:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/permgilbert008.jpg
The "tire" that perman drives by in the segment:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/permgilbert006.jpg
Clyde's Market, where Perman was last seen and the flower shop that was connected. Is now an IGA, but you can see the structural elements above the doorway:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/permgilbert012.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 02-18-2011, 01:38 AM Finally figured out my snipping tool :) Here is one I found by looking at a map from an article, it is barbara jo's house....
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/oberholtzerunsolved.jpg
Unsolved Segment
Street View
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/oberholtzerunsolved2.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 02-18-2011, 01:44 AM I am going nuts w/ the snip it tool tonight...
Stanley Gryziec's home/gas station next door. As you can see, it has changed quite a bit...they covered up a door that was on the front as well.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/gryziecunsolved1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/gryziec1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/gryziec2.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 02-18-2011, 01:48 AM Last one for the night...
Sova home from the segment:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/sovahomeunsolved.jpg
streetview:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/sovahome.jpg
sdb4884 02-18-2011, 10:13 AM Legendary stuff!
If you could retrace the Michael Rosenblum scenes that would be magnificent also.
dynoguy88 02-18-2011, 11:56 AM LISA ZIEGERT (Card shop she was abducted from on Walnut Street Extension in Agawam, Massachusetts)
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ.jpg
When Lisa worked there, it was called Brittany's Card & Gift Shoppe. I'm not sure what it is now. I originally thought it was vacant now but there are cars in the parking lot so it must be used for something.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ2.jpg
The building has two businesses. The card shop was on the right side...
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ3.jpg
These final two pictures show what the block looks like looking in both directions on Walnut Street...
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ4.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ5.jpg
What's amazing is that no matter where you look, there are businesses everywhere in every direction from the card shop. Lisa was abducted on a Wednesday night some time between 8:20 and 9:10 p.m. It wasn't that late. In fact, some people say it was still light out when she was taken. Stores were still open. Nobody witnessed anything. Not even the sandwich shop right across the street which had a perfect view of the card shop.
The Third Man 02-18-2011, 12:09 PM Awesome stuff, dynoguy!
I haven't posted here in...well, about three years...and this thread pulled me back. I might have some things to post soon too.
dynoguy88 02-18-2011, 03:17 PM Then and now photos from my trip to the old school house from the Dennis Depue segment. It's about an hour's drive from my home. July 2009:
Driving down Snow Praire Road just outside Coldwater, I recognized this old shack as the building the Thorton's drive past in the opening seconds of the segment and I knew I must be getting close:
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis1.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis2.jpg
Different angles and sides of the school house. Then (UM segment) and now (July 2009 photos):
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis3.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis4.jpg
Right side of the school house and sighting of Dennis with the bloody blanket
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis6.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis5.jpg
Left side of the school house and the old tank where Dennis parked his van.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis8.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis7.jpg
Back of the school house where the Thorton's found the bloody blanket.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis9.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dennis10.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 02-18-2011, 06:22 PM Keith Reinhard:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/reinhardunsolved.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/keithreinhard.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 02-18-2011, 06:24 PM Jule and Dottie Caylor's Home. You need to look at the small details, as they didn't show the house much in the UM segment:
UM
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/caylorunsolved2.jpg
Streetview
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/caylorunsolved-1.jpg
sdb4884 02-20-2011, 10:00 PM Thanks! :)
dynoguy88 02-22-2011, 08:36 PM CONNECTICUT RIVER VALLEY KILLER:
Here's the parking lot where a pregnant Jane Boroski was stabbed 27 times in 1988. The building is a Gomarlo's Market now. I'm not sure if it was at the time she was attacked. It's located on Highway 10 in West Swanzey, New Hampshire.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Jane.jpg
MegtheEgg86 02-22-2011, 09:57 PM It was Gomarlo's at the time she was attacked. I remember reading Phillip Ginsberg's book and a few articles and thinking 'Gomarlo' was a distinctive name.
Thanks so much for the photos. :)
dynoguy88 02-23-2011, 01:38 AM I'm copying and pasting MegtheEgg's photos from the Rhonda Hinson murder location...
Here are the photos from my NC trip today. I hope they'll help everyone understand the crime scene a little bit better; actually seeing the site in the daylight and in stills helps a lot, I think.
I passed the eastbound exit and turned around at Exit 113 so that I could get on I-40W to travel Rhonda's exact route (she would've been coming west from Hickory, NC, which is roughly about 10 miles up the interstate from Valdese). Here is the westbound Exit 112:
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Exit 112 ramp. Rhonda made a right at the yield sign onto Mineral Springs Mountain Road:
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The I-40 bridge just west of the stop sign at the bottom of the ramp, where the two men in the blue Chevy were reported by the witness between 12:15 and 12:30 AM:
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More in a minute.
Under the I-40 bridge. This is my car parked where the blue Chevy was reported to be:
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View of bridge from Mineral Springs Mountain. I was standing a few hundred feet in front of the actual murder site when I took this photo:
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View from under the bridge. This is what the individuals in the car would've seen. Just beyond the oncoming white car and interstate on-ramp on the left is the site:
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Another photo of the road, just to demonstrate how steep the hill is. Rhonda's car rolled backwards, into the left lane, and onto the shoulder after the shot:
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Mineral Springs Mountain Rd, on the route the witness under hypnosis drove his truck:
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Many of you will recognize this stretch of road:
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This is where MSMR ends at Highway 70, into a residential area dotted with a few businesses and churches. The entire stretch of road from the interstate can't be over four or five miles long. I was always under the impression the road was far more rural than what it is--of course, that was 27 years ago:
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I grossly misconceived MSMR as a quiet rural route: let it be known, it is NOT. For this reason, I found it difficult to get a really good photo of the exact place Rhonda's car was; there was virtually no shoulder and I would've had to block a street next to the on-ramp. The exact site is noted when it is visible in one of the above photos. It is directly across the road in the final picture of my previous post, hidden almost entirely by the van in the left lane. The main idea was to show you all a better overall picture of the area and how things sit in relation to one another. Hope that's what I've done.
SageSlowdive 02-27-2011, 12:29 PM Someone should try and find the Blind River Rest Stop.
SageSlowdive 02-27-2011, 12:36 PM If I am looking at the right spot, this is where Cynthia Anderson disappeared - for those of you who don't remember she was working at the law office and was plagued by bad dreams.
http://i56.tinypic.com/4gkwn5.png
dynoguy88 02-27-2011, 01:55 PM Poster JRA2000TL found Bill and Dorothy Wacker's house in 2009. The address is 10271 Wooster St in Massillon, Ohio. This is the google view.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/WackerHouse.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/WackerHouse2.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 02-28-2011, 01:49 AM You may recognize this, from the A.J. Breaux segment...People's drug store from the beginning and the Earl Williams clothing store (right next door, coincidentally) where AJ worked for 30 years...
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/peoplesdrugs.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/earlwilliams.jpg
dynoguy88 03-01-2011, 11:08 PM The home of Annie Laurie Hearin where she was kidnapped on July 26, 1988 some time between 3:00 p.m. (when the housekeeper left) and 4:30 p.m. when Annie's husband Robert arrived home. The house is located at 139 Woodland Drive in Jackson, Mississippi.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/AnnieLaurie1.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/AnnieLaurie2.jpg
DetailsTellAll 03-02-2011, 07:56 PM This Starbucks in the Dupont Circle neighborhood of D.C. is the last place Joyce Chiang was dropped off at by her friend, before her body was found on the banks of the Anacostia River in D.C.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/GeorgetownStarbucks.jpg
dynoguy88 03-02-2011, 10:00 PM I found the small apartment where Doreen Picard and Susan Laferte were attacked in the basement resulting in Doreen's death. The attack took place on February 19, 1982. The building is located on 409 Providence Street in Woonsocket, Rhode Island.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Doreen.jpg
Charlie99909 03-09-2011, 03:01 AM http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/charlieofthedead01/securedownload-22.png
From the missing time episode where the airman gets abducted from the pay phone.
SageSlowdive 03-09-2011, 08:55 PM I found the small apartment where Doreen Picard and Susan Laferte were attacked in the basement resulting in Doreen's death. The attack took place on February 19, 1982. The building is located on 409 Providence Street in Woonsocket, Rhode Island.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Doreen.jpg
You are excellent!!!!!!
You should really look for the Blind River rest stop.
Charlie99909 03-10-2011, 03:35 AM You are excellent!!!!!!
You should really look for the Blind River rest stop.
I believe I actually found it. After doing some considerable research comparing the overhead view with that of the episode. I believe it to be a rest stop in Huron Shores, Ontario. The rest stop is on the shoulder of 17. If anyone has an email I will gladly send them to be posted as I am on my iPhone right now. If it isn't the same rest stop, I'll eat my hat. The coincidence is too uncanny to not be the same rest stop. It is between Blind River and Thessalon, but much closer to Blind River.
Charlie99909 03-10-2011, 03:47 AM On closer inspection, I found it. That is the rest stop.
sdb4884 03-10-2011, 09:06 AM Any Idea where the locations of the Gary Simmons case eg: the salvage yard, Gary Simmons office.
silverstang84 03-11-2011, 12:56 AM what about where Angela Hammond was abducted???
dynoguy88 03-11-2011, 01:46 PM what about where Angela Hammond was abducted???
I want to look for it but I have to find out what street corner in Clinton, Missouri she was taken from first. Hopefully the street is mentioned somewhere in those old articles in the Angela Hammond thread.
Charlie99909 03-11-2011, 02:49 PM I want to look for it but I have to find out what street corner in Clinton, Missouri she was taken from first. Hopefully the street is mentioned somewhere in those old articles in the Angela Hammond thread.
Jefferson and second was the location given on doe network. I looked it up. It said she was taken from the food barn parking lot. The only super market looking place is more north on main street. About 2 miles away. Now we know she worked at a bank at the time of her death and on the corner or 2nd and Jefferson is a Chrysler dealership, mortuary, and a bank. I think she could have been taken from closer to the bank. Doe net gave an approximate location.
PhilsWSchamps08 03-11-2011, 03:30 PM Jefferson and second was the location given on doe network. I looked it up. It said she was taken from the food barn parking lot. The only super market looking place is more north on main street. About 2 miles away. Now we know she worked at a bank at the time of her death and on the corner or 2nd and Jefferson is a Chrysler dealership, mortuary, and a bank. I think she could have been taken from closer to the bank. Doe net gave an approximate location.
From looking at the Google Maps street view image, I think that this is it. I presume from what you said that the Food Barn closed down, and was replaced by a Chrysler dealership. The bank may have been the bank she worked at, or perhaps it's a conicidence. I imagine the pay phone she was taken at is gone, considering the wide use of cell phones today
DetailsTellAll 03-11-2011, 06:00 PM From looking at the Google Maps street view image, I think that this is it. I presume from what you said that the Food Barn closed down, and was replaced by a Chrysler dealership. The bank may have been the bank she worked at, or perhaps it's a conicidence. I imagine the pay phone she was taken at is gone, considering the wide use of cell phones today
You are correct. From the 2009 video from news station kmbc, they showed where the phone booth would have been and where the 'Old Food Barn' (they called it) used to be and it was the Chrysler dealership.
DetailsTellAll 03-11-2011, 06:14 PM Here is a picture of the Golden Eagle Casino where Jodie Bordeaux worked and had problems with envious coworkers, which eventually led to her murder.
http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles45083.jpg
DetailsTellAll 03-11-2011, 06:59 PM Here is a picture of the parking lot where Police Officer Lester Garnier was shot and killed while sitting in his car.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/LesterParkingLot.jpg
dynoguy88 03-11-2011, 07:31 PM Thanks to those who reminded me of the 2009 news report video on Angela Hammond which points out the corner and shows the street sign of where she was abducted.
It's on the corner of Jefferson & 2nd Street in Clinton, Missouri. The payphone was right on the corner and not part of the actual parking lot.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Hammond.jpg
This is looking at the street corner from the other side.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Hammond3.jpg
Robert Stack was right when he said the payphone was right in the center of town. There's a church across the street and businesses everywhere you look.
Although the payphone is gone now, here is a picture of the one Angela was talking on. You can even see the roof of the church across the street. (Taken from the news broadcast.)
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Hammond2.jpg
DetailsTellAll 03-11-2011, 08:54 PM This is the Shell Gas Station where motorcylist Michael Hunter was found shot.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/MichaelHunterGasStation.jpg
Charlie99909 03-11-2011, 09:19 PM I sent these to Dynoguy88 earlier today.
Here is an overhead view of the Blind River rest stop.
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/charlieofthedead01/securedownload-2-8.png
When the segment begins you can clearly see the rest stop skews off of the road in a westward direction.
Also, there is a fork in the river that is also visible in the segment's opening shot. The fork is just out of frame on the left side.
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/charlieofthedead01/securedownload-23.png
This is the entrance to the rest stop looking southwest-ish.
Later in the segment there is actual police footage showing Brian Major's car in the lot from a different angle.
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/charlieofthedead01/securedownload-1-12.png
This is that angle taken from the street looking southward. There is another road to head into the rest stop, but it isn't too visible from the bird's eye view.
DetailsTellAll 03-11-2011, 09:46 PM Here is the home where the Damon and Devon Routier murders (supposedly by their mother Darlie Lynn Routier) took place.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/OldRoutierHome.jpg
silverstang84 03-12-2011, 02:11 AM Those Angela Hammond street corner pictures creep me out a little. I can imagine being there in her shoes. It must have been frightening to say the least.But with so many different directions to run away, how come she didnt at least try to make a run for it?
Charlie99909 03-12-2011, 02:34 AM If you google street view it, there's a lot of open spaces. He would have gotten her if she ran in any direction.
dynoguy88 03-12-2011, 10:46 PM A segment that truly gave me nightmares as an 11 year old the first time I saw it. Gretchen Burford. Here is the Wells Fargo Bank where her abductor, Tyrone Hamel, forced her to withdraw money from the ATM at knife point. The bank is located on El Camino Real near the San Antonio Road intersection in Mountain View, California. (3 miles south of Palo Alto.)
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Burford1.jpg
This is a zoom out shot. The ATM's are sort of behind the bank so you can't see them from the street. After Gretchen attempted to withdraw more money than she was allowed, the transaction was aborted. She tried to exit the car but her killer pulled her back in. At that point, Gretchen zoomed out through the parking lot and in to oncoming traffic in a desperate attempt to escape. Circled in this picture is the exit of the bank. She ended up driving straight over the median.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Burford2.jpg
This last picture is across the street from the bank where Gretchen's car came to rest right after it hit a Cadillac. Here, the two eye witnesses saw her exit the car screaming, "He stabbed me!" She fell to the ground and died within minutes and the killer, Tyrone Hamil ran off. He was finally captured in 2005.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Burford3.jpg
lindamichelle1 03-13-2011, 11:43 PM this is a awesome thread, its so crazy seeing the places where these crimes took place, they seem to in the open and harmless
SageSlowdive 03-15-2011, 04:33 PM I sent these to Dynoguy88 earlier today.
Here is an overhead view of the Blind River rest stop.
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/charlieofthedead01/securedownload-2-8.png
When the segment begins you can clearly see the rest stop skews off of the road in a westward direction.
Also, there is a fork in the river that is also visible in the segment's opening shot. The fork is just out of frame on the left side.
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/charlieofthedead01/securedownload-23.png
This is the entrance to the rest stop looking southwest-ish.
Later in the segment there is actual police footage showing Brian Major's car in the lot from a different angle.
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/charlieofthedead01/securedownload-1-12.png
This is that angle taken from the street looking southward. There is another road to head into the rest stop, but it isn't too visible from the bird's eye view.
OH MY GOODNESS!!
Thanks so much for finding it!
sdb4884 03-16-2011, 04:29 AM What about locations from the George Owens case? The store he bought cigars and ice-cream from, the place where his car was located?
The Slider 03-16-2011, 12:41 PM Anyone have a recent picture of the Tommy Burkett street/house?
Another location I would be interested in seeing now is Dorothy Donovan's house (or the store where her murderer threatened her son with the screwdriver).
dynoguy88 03-16-2011, 02:33 PM Anyone have a recent picture of the Tommy Burkett street/house?
I found the address of the house online. It's 13456 Muirkirk Lane in Herndon, VA.
Unfortunately, the house, as well as the entire neighborhood isn't available in street view.
DetailsTellAll 03-16-2011, 06:44 PM Another location I would be interested in seeing now is Dorothy Donovan's house (or the store where her murderer threatened her son with the screwdriver).
Here is a picture of the corner (corner of Milford Harrington Highway and Killen Pond Road) where Charles Holden fought with the assailant before speeding off in his car
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/CharlesHoldenDelawareCorner.jpg
Here is a picture of the Hardee's that Charles Holden picked up the assailant at (7327 Milford Harrington Hwy, Harrington, DE)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/CharlesHoldenHardees.jpg
Also, I found someone with the last name Holden an address of 1010 Killen Pond Road, Harrington, DE. But when I looked at the picture of the property, I didn't see any houses nearby, just trailers. So, maybe they tore down the house where the actual murder took place or maybe it's another family with the last name Holden that owns the property (which I doubt in a small town).
Charlie99909 03-16-2011, 09:56 PM Charles lived in a trailer on the side of the house. That would make sense it would be close like that.
mtaylor72 03-16-2011, 10:10 PM This thread makes for a great read!
How about Joe & Gladys Owens' house in Seattle, WA? I've tried to find the address but was unable to turn up anything.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-16-2011, 11:04 PM This is such a creepy thread. I'm loving the effort you've put into this, Dynoguy! :)
zack007attack 03-17-2011, 12:25 AM Does anyone have pictures of any of these locations?
1) the hotel where Pvt. Justin Burgwinkel's car was found after he disappeared
2) the road Tara Calico often rode her bike on, and where some of her possessions were discovered
3) the park in NYC where Son of Sam's last killing took place
4) the cemetary where Resurrection Mary's ghost has been sighted
dynoguy88 03-17-2011, 02:44 PM Here is the main gate entrance to Resurrection Cemetery. It's located on Archer Road in Justice, Illinois. Just a few miles southwest of Chicago.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/RESMAR1.jpg
On street view, this shows us the walkway going down Archer Road which leads to the entrance of the cemetery. This is where all the sightings of Mary's ghost have been reported over the years.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/RESMARY2.jpg
LooksLikeCRicci 03-17-2011, 08:51 PM No Resurrection Mary in Google's pictures. I'm disappointed. :)
dynoguy88 03-18-2011, 01:52 AM SON OF SAM:
The pictures surrounding the final shooting were easy to find because a detailed map is shown in the UM segment. The victims were Stacy Moskowitz and Robert Violante. Stacy was killed. Robert survived the shooting but lost one of his eyes as a result.
The events leading up to the shooting take place on Shore Parkway in Brooklyn, NY. At 1:00 a.m. on July 31, 1977, a yellow volkswagen stopped here at the park entrance. 2 men got out and entered the park.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/SAM7.jpg
30 minutes later, the volkswagen was seen by Tommy Zano circling the block 3 times.
This next photo is Cecilia Davis' apartment building which is located on Bay 17th Street, just a little over 2 blocks from the park entrance.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Sam4.jpg
She arrived home at 2:08 a.m., just minutes after David Berkowitz was issued a parking ticket on his car. A couple minutes past and Cecilia saw Berkowitz across the street pull the ticket off his windshield and drive away down Bay 17th Street. 25 minutes later, she was walking her dog outside her apartment, ready to go back inside when she saw Berkowitz walk past her and head in the direction where the park is located.
At 2:20 a.m., Stacy and Robert parked on Shore Parkway, at the park entrance and went for a walk. As they were making their way back to their car, they saw a creepy looking guy standing next to the park bathroom, staring at them. In this next photo, the arrow on the right is pointing to the bathroom where the man was standing. The arrow on the left points to where Stacy and Robert were eventually shot in their car.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/SAM3.jpg
Tommy Zano and his girlfriend were parked in front of Stacy and Robert. From his rear view mirror, Zano saw the same man in the park (a slimmer looking guy than Berkowitz who was in much better shape) walk up to Stacy and Robert's car and shoot them.
15 seconds after the shooting, witnesses saw a man in a cheap looking wig running out of the other side of the park. He jumped in the yellow volkswagen and sped off. This picture shows the side of the park where the volkswagen was waiting for the man.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/SAM6.jpg
The volkswagen sped down 17th Avenue. When it reached the corner of 17th and Cropsey Avenue, it ran a red light and just barely missed crashing in to another car. This last photo is where the near collision took place.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Sam5.jpg
CuriousMind90 03-18-2011, 05:38 AM Thanks to those who reminded me of the 2009 news report video on Angela Hammond which points out the corner and shows the street sign of where she was abducted.
It's on the corner of Jefferson & 2nd Street in Clinton, Missouri. The payphone was right on the corner and not part of the actual parking lot.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Hammond.jpg
This is looking at the street corner from the other side.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Hammond3.jpg
Robert Stack was right when he said the payphone was right in the center of town. There's a church across the street and businesses everywhere you look.
Although the payphone is gone now, here is a picture of the one Angela was talking on. You can even see the roof of the church across the street. (Taken from the news broadcast.)
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Hammond2.jpg
Right under the very eyes of a Church, the f*cking bastard. I hope her abductor spends eternity in Hell, getting back all the pain and fear he (likely) evoked and inflicted on Angie, and on others.
dynoguy88 03-19-2011, 09:54 PM Photos of the Kevin Hughes murder site:
Here is Evergreen Records, Sammy Sadler's music label, where he and Kevin stopped to make some phone calls the night of the murder, March 9, 1989. The building is located at 1021 16th Avenue South in Nashville, Tennessee.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/KevinHughes1.jpg
The guys were parked across the street. Where the red car is in the next photo was their approximate parking spot where the first gun shot was fired. This photo also shows the pathway of Kevin's final steps as he tried to flee from the shooter but where he hit the pavement and died exactly, I'm not sure. He couldn't have made it very far.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/KevinHughes4.jpg
Unsolved Mysteries filmed the reenactment here as well. Here's a screen cap showing the recording studio:
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/KevinHughes2.jpg
dynoguy88 03-20-2011, 08:44 PM TAMMY LYNN LEPPERT:
This is the parking lot of the Glass Bank where Tammy was dropped off by her friend on July 6, 1983. The building is closed down now and it looks like it's barely standing. It's located on State Road 1A near the corner of North 4th Street in Cocoa Beach, Florida. After she was dropped off here, Tammy vanished off the face of the Earth and she hasn't been seen since.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/TammyLeppertBank.jpg
MegtheEgg86 03-20-2011, 09:37 PM I found the small apartment where Doreen Picard and Susan Laferte were attacked in the basement resulting in Doreen's death. The attack took place on February 19, 1982. The building is located on 409 Providence Street in Woonsocket, Rhode Island.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Doreen.jpg
I clearly remember this view of the house being in the segment, as the ambulance arrives right in front of the residence in the reenactment. It has hardly changed, it seems. It's kind of eerie, much like EVERY single one of those Son of Sam photos. :eek:
Thanks so much to the posters taking time to do this for us, especially dynoguy. Very interesting stuff!
dynoguy88 03-20-2011, 11:34 PM I clearly remember this view of the house being in the segment, as the ambulance arrives right in front of the residence in the reenactment. It has hardly changed, it seems. It's kind of eerie, much like EVERY single one of those Son of Sam photos. :eek:
I just think it's neat how often UM filmed their reenactments at the actual crime scenes. I got the address of the apartment from an old article online. When I found it on street view, the building as well as all the homes across the street matched up with the buildings in the segment.
If anyone has more UM location suggestions, just list them and I'll see if I can find them.
sdb4884 03-21-2011, 07:10 AM Yeah I found where Tammy Lynn Leppert was dropped off on Google Images, I think I might have posted it on a related thread. It would be cool to see where she lived.
dynoguy88 03-22-2011, 10:51 PM The abduction of Colleen Reed which took place on December 29, 1991 in Austin, Texas:
(The kidnappers were later revealed to be Alva Hank Worley and Kenneth McDuff)
This is Powell Street where Stephen Marks pulled up beind the kidnappers at around 8:55 p.m. The car was driving very slow. Within a few minutes, the kidnappers went the wrong way down Powell Street and nearly collided with Mike and Bill Goins on this street corner.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Colleen5.jpg
Here is the house on 534 Powell Street and the front porch where the three men were standing when they heard Colleen's screams. The parking garage, mentioned in the segment, is right next door. When Steve Marks parked at the house a few minuters earlier, he had seen the kidnappers drive in to the parking garage.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Colleen3.jpg
This next photo shows the view that the men had from the porch when they heard the screams. All they could see was the side of the car wash and then the kidnappers pulling away on 5th Street. I drew an arrow to where the car wash is. There's a new building on the corner blocking the view now.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Colleen4.jpg
Here we have the car wash on West 5th Street where Colleen was taken.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Colleen1-1.jpg
The kidnappers then pulled out on to West 5th Street and drove the wrong way again nearly colliding with 2 cars before making their escape.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Colleen2-1.jpg
crystaldawn 03-23-2011, 06:57 AM Thanks for posting dynoguy. I don't think I could ever use that car wash knowing what happened there. :(
MegtheEgg86 03-23-2011, 09:37 AM I never realized the guys had such an obstructed view of the carwash, even sans the new building. How frightening to have heard those screams, yet be virtually unable to see anything going on. :(
LooksLikeCRicci 03-23-2011, 11:48 PM Thanks for posting dynoguy. I don't think I could ever use that car wash knowing what happened there. :(
Agreed. Actually, given the passage of time on ALL of these cases, I'm shocked to see how many places have NOT changed.
dynoguy88 03-27-2011, 10:37 PM This is Conley Buick GMC Subaru located at 800 Cortez Road West in Bradenton, Florida. This is where Annette Burnside worked and, I believe, was stabbed to death by Jim on February 17, 1988.
(Someone will have to confirm for me whether or not she was actually killed at this parking lot or at a nearby one when she met Dave for lunch. Since Dave was a coworker, I assume it took place here.)
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/AnnetteBurnside.jpg
LooksLikeCRicci 03-27-2011, 11:48 PM Wow. Do you have any information on where Joe Cole was shot? (I'm sure I don't need to remind you that Henry Rollins was a very close friend of Joe's and was with him when they were attacked.)
SageSlowdive 03-28-2011, 04:24 AM I wonder if anyone can find where the supposed picture of Tara Calico was found.
dynoguy88 03-28-2011, 01:15 PM LooksLikeCRicci, here is the Joe Cole murder site. The house is located at 809 Brooks Avenue in Venice, California.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/JoeCOLE1.jpg
LooksLikeCRicci 03-28-2011, 01:38 PM Wow! Did UM use it in their re-enactment, too? It looks awfully familiar.
Thanks, dynoguy! ;)
dynoguy88 03-28-2011, 03:26 PM Wow! Did UM use it in their re-enactment, too? It looks awfully familiar.
Thanks, dynoguy! ;)
Sure looks like it. Everything matches up with the house in the segment.
JRA2000TL 03-29-2011, 01:12 PM Thanks dynoguy....here's the pic I took of the Wacker house back in 09. It's blurry b/c I took it while driving. I haven't been on in awhile, so I'm catching up. Good to know it's on streetview now.
Note the lime green trim around the front door and window. If you watch the segment, there's a photo of Bill and Dorothy taken in front of the house, and you can see the bright colored trim in the background. It's the photo where Bill is wearing his "Retired" hat.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/jasarisi/house.jpg
LooksLikeCRicci 03-29-2011, 09:35 PM JRA2000.... is it wrong that I find it wildly hilarious that your picture is the product of a drive-by (camera) shooting?
Considering the case of the Wackers, I find it oddly fitting. :)
dynoguy88 03-30-2011, 06:25 PM TARA CALICO:
This is the Calico home located at 403 Bruggs Drive in Belen, New Mexico. Tara left here on September 20, 1988 for her usual 34 mile bike ride. After she vanished, the Calico family lived here for 15 more years before moving to Florida in 2003.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tara1.jpg
Highway 47 was Tara's traditional bike route. Several witnesses saw her there that morning. This next photo is the spot where 2 hunters reported seeing Tara riding with the 1954 Ford pickup truck right on her tail. Note: The homes seen in the distance were not there in 1988.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tara2.jpg
Captain Donald Donges of the Valencia County Sheriff's Department was vague with the details on a video featured on the forbidden site. But he thinks the general area shown in the final photo was where Tara died. This was also apparently where police found marks in the dirt where a bike was dragged the day she vanished.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tara3.jpg
Apparently officers claim to know who the killers are. They were boys at the time, now men. Their parents helped them cover the crime scene (getting rid of the bike, the body and covering the blood with sand.) But without a body, the police don't have the hard evidence to convict their suspects.
hostedbyrobertstack 03-30-2011, 11:39 PM Las Cruces Bowling Alley: It looks quite a bit different and buildings are now where the vacant field was. You can still see the part that juts out where the doors are. This is still a bowling alley:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/lascrucesbowl.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 03-30-2011, 11:40 PM Roger Dean's House: Highlighted...looks like they filmed the segment at a different location than the actual house. Found this exact house address from an old article:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/rogerdeanhouse.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 03-30-2011, 11:41 PM Steve Sandlin: Police station where he was shot...you will recognize this:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/stevesandlin.jpg
greatgarrett2 04-03-2011, 01:19 AM The plaza on Manhattan Blvd. in Toledo, OH where the law office was where Cindy Anderson worked.
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=166138&stc=1&d=1301807828
According to this thread:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=153775&page=4
CuriousMind90 04-03-2011, 04:06 PM Can anyone post pictures of the Kathy Hobbs locations (house, route she should've taken to and from the store, where she was found)? Much appreciated.
dynoguy88 04-03-2011, 06:15 PM Can anyone post pictures of the Kathy Hobbs locations (house, route she should've taken to and from the store, where she was found)? Much appreciated.
This is a tough one. I can't find any articles online about the Kathy Hobbs case other than an Unsolved Mysteries wiki article, which basically states everything that's mentioned in the segment.
The segment did say that the 24 hour supermarket where she bought her book was on the corner of Desert Inn Road & Maryland Parkway in Las Vegas. But looking at the corner on street view, I'm not sure which corner is the right one. Right now, there's an Applebee's on one corner, a Carl Junior Burger place on another corner and a liquor store on the other corner. It's a major intersection and it's not surprising that the businesses are different than what they were in 1987 when Kathy was kidnapped.
According to the segment, the apartment complex where she lived with her mother and sister was just a block and half from the supermarket. When snooping around, I found a couple apartment complexes nearby but I'm not sure which one is the right one.
As to where Kathy's body was found, I don't think it's even available on street view because she was dumped somewhere in the desert.
Charlie99909 04-03-2011, 06:59 PM This is a tough one. I can't find any articles online about the Kathy Hobbs case other than an Unsolved Mysteries wiki article, which basically states everything that's mentioned in the segment.
The segment did say that the 24 hour supermarket where she bought her book was on the corner of Desert Inn Road & Maryland Parkway in Las Vegas. But looking at the corner on street view, I'm not sure which corner is the right one. Right now, there's an Applebee's on one corner, a Carl Junior Burger place on another corner and a liquor store on the other corner. It's a major intersection and it's not surprising that the businesses are different than what they were in 1987 when Kathy was kidnapped.
According to the segment, the apartment complex where she lived with her mother and sister was just a block and half from the supermarket. When snooping around, I found a couple apartment complexes nearby but I'm not sure which one is the right one.
As to where Kathy's body was found, I don't think it's even available on street view because she was dumped somewhere in the desert.
What's really difficult is with Vegas' expansions she could have been dumped in what was the desert then. But now has a street going trough it.
dynoguy88 04-04-2011, 10:48 PM I-70 SERIAL KILLER:
This is the Woodson Village Shopping Center in Raytown, Missouri. The address is 11501 63rd St. The arrow is pointing to the card shop where Sarah Blessing was shot and killed on May 7, 1992. The killer simply walked up the embankment to 63rd Street (seen on the far right of the photo) and vanished. This street is an access road to Interstate 70.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/I70KILL.jpg
sdb4884 04-05-2011, 09:28 AM Great thread!
Charlie99909 04-05-2011, 09:33 AM I-70 SERIAL KILLER:
This is the Woodson Village Shopping Center in Raytown, Missouri. The address is 11501 63rd St. The arrow is pointing to the card shop where Sarah Blessing was shot and killed on May 7, 1992. The killer simply walked up the embankment to 63rd Street (seen on the far right of the photo) and vanished. This street is an access road to Interstate 70.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/I70KILL.jpg
That's just creepy to see that and know what happened.
SageSlowdive 04-05-2011, 02:17 PM I-70 SERIAL KILLER:
This is the Woodson Village Shopping Center in Raytown, Missouri. The address is 11501 63rd St. The arrow is pointing to the card shop where Sarah Blessing was shot and killed on May 7, 1992. The killer simply walked up the embankment to 63rd Street (seen on the far right of the photo) and vanished. This street is an access road to Interstate 70.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/I70KILL.jpg
Can you find any of the other locations of the I-70 killer?
dynoguy88 04-05-2011, 02:59 PM Can you find any of the other locations of the I-70 killer?
Not unless I can find some articles about the case. The information I have seen online gives the victims names, cities and the stores they were killed in but no streets are listed in relation to I-70 and how close they were. Robin Fuldauer, the first victim, was killed in a Payless Shoe Store in Indianapolis but there could be several Payless stores in Indianapolis.
Unless I can get a street name or a store complex name, I have no idea where to look.
dynoguy88 04-05-2011, 10:06 PM KATHERINE KORZILIUS:
Died on August 7, 1996 in Austin, Texas. All the areas of interest on Elder Circle are highlighted on a map in the UM segment.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Katherine5.jpg
This is the community mail boxes where Katherine and her mother parted. Katherine went right, her mother and brother went left.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Katherine2.jpg
This is the driveway leading to the Korzilius home. Too many trees hide the view so it's not really visible from the street.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Katherine3.jpg
Katherine's body was found here:
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Katherine1.jpg
30 yards from the community mail boxes was a vacant lot. K-9 units picked up Katherine's scent here. This is where people believe she was either abducted or where she received the injuries that caused her death. As you can see, it's not a vacant lot anymore.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Katherine4.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 04-06-2011, 12:19 AM Chad Maurer:
This is the Bike Shop (the "Village Pedaler" in Monona, WI) where Chad worked. You can see, in the UM segement, that inside of the store it says "village pedaler" on the wall. The main building in the center must be the hardware store that his parents had to go to.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/chadmaurer.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 04-07-2011, 11:34 AM Roxanne Jeeves:
This is Holloman Road, where Roxanne Jeeves' car was found parked...if you look closely, you can actually see some cars parked down there, probably right where her car was found parked. The road doesn't look like it has changed at all:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/jeeves.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 04-08-2011, 12:09 AM Dexter Stefonik:
Don't ask me how I actually found this, or why Google streetview goes off the highway to the actual rest stop, must have been fate! I literally just put the streetview marker onto the 94 highway and about a minute later I found the sign...what a good guess. As you can see, the sign for the Bad Route Rest area, and then the actual bad route rest area itself. Looks like it has been updated a bit since the broadcast, but this is it.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/badroute1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/badroute2.jpg
LooksLikeCRicci 04-08-2011, 01:58 AM Shout out Montana!! Nice work. :)
sdb4884 04-08-2011, 02:08 AM Dexter Stefonik:
Don't ask me how I actually found this, or why Google streetview goes off the highway to the actual rest stop, must have been fate! I literally just put the streetview marker onto the 94 highway and about a minute later I found the sign...what a good guess. As you can see, the sign for the Bad Route Rest area, and then the actual bad route rest area itself. Looks like it has been updated a bit since the broadcast, but this is it.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/badroute1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/badroute2.jpg
Crazy stuff :lol:
You think they might have changed the name of it by now!
dynoguy88 04-09-2011, 11:22 PM TALLMAN'S GHOST / BUNK BED SEGMENT:
The house is located on Larrabee Street in Horicon, Wisconsin. I can't find an address number. It's not available on street view but I found a picture of the house on a blog.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tallman.jpg
http://ghoststoriesandhauntedplaces.blogspot.com/2010/01/haunting-on-larrabee-street.html
dynoguy88 04-10-2011, 12:08 AM JOHN HARDEN / HAUNTED FLORIDA HOUSE:
This ghost segment scared me as a 10 year old. This is the house that is believed to be haunted by the ghost of John Harden. It's located on the corner of Osceola & Fifth Street in Clermont, Florida.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Clermont2.jpg
The right side of the house shows the driveway where John Harden was murdered.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Clermont1.jpg
samiam82 04-10-2011, 12:50 AM What's amazing is that no matter where you look, there are businesses everywhere in every direction from the card shop. Lisa was abducted on a Wednesday night some time between 8:20 and 9:10 p.m. It wasn't that late. In fact, some people say it was still light out when she was taken. Stores were still open. Nobody witnessed anything. Not even the sandwich shop right across the street which had a perfect view of the card shop.[/QUOTE]
Seeing all these pictures along with your comment makes me realize how unobservant (non observant? not sure of the correct grammar here) most people are. I try to put myself in that situation and wonder if I would have noticed anything. As you said, it was a wednesday night. probably a random wednesday night just like every other wednesday night for the potential witnesses. it only became notable after a crime was committed....makes me wonder how observant I would have been? thoughts?
McBevis 04-10-2011, 10:21 PM TALLMAN'S GHOST / BUNK BED SEGMENT:
The house is located on Larrabee Street in Horicon, Wisconsin. I can't find an address number. It's not available on street view but I found a picture of the house on a blog.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tallman.jpg
http://ghoststoriesandhauntedplaces.blogspot.com/2010/01/haunting-on-larrabee-street.html
The Tallman address number is 415. If you look quickly and closely, it is actually visible in the segment itself.
yellowVWchase 04-11-2011, 09:49 PM Thanks dynoguy....here's the pic I took of the Wacker house back in 09. It's blurry b/c I took it while driving. I haven't been on in awhile, so I'm catching up. Good to know it's on streetview now.
Note the lime green trim around the front door and window. If you watch the segment, there's a photo of Bill and Dorothy taken in front of the house, and you can see the bright colored trim in the background. It's the photo where Bill is wearing his "Retired" hat.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/jasarisi/house.jpg
Their lights are a laugh.
dynoguy88 04-12-2011, 09:51 PM RUSSELL EVANS: Killed June 4, 1989 in Spokane, Washington.
An old thread on here showed a map from a newspaper article tracing Russell's steps the night he was killed.
This is Murphy Park where Russell and his friends were hanging out when the two boys walked up and got in a fight with Russell's friend Aaron. Russell broke up the fight and the two boys told him, "You better watch your back." Then they left.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Russell2.jpg
Russell left his friend's house around midnight and almost immediately ran in to his friend Sade. They made small talk for several minutes and then parted ways. This is the corner where they ran in to each other on 29th Street.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Russell3.jpg
This final picture is where Sandy Ferris discovered Russell at 1:05 a.m. on South Ray Street that turns in to Thor Avenue. Russell's home was just 2 blocks away. I drew an an arrow to where Russell was found. The 4 dots are where his shoes and shoelaces were found.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Russell4.jpg
dynoguy88 04-12-2011, 11:24 PM THE UNSOLVED MYSTERIES CHURCH EDITION:
This is Sacred Heart Church in Boise, Idaho where the unknown man killed himself by swallowing a cyanide capsule on December 4, 1982. The church is located on 811 South Latah Street in Boise.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/SuChurch1.jpg
Next we have Rising Daughter Baptist Church (seen in the distance) where Harold and Thelma Swain were murdered on March 11, 1985. The church is located on Highway 17 in Waverly, Georgia.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/SwainChur.jpg
Finally, we have the rebuilt West Side Baptist Church in Beatrice, Nebraska. As you know, the original church exploded on March 1, 1950 when all the choir members were late. I found many articles about the miracle but I could not find a street address.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/ChurchToday.jpg
I also came across these old photos of the ruins of the original church shortly after it exploded. I thought these were neat.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/UMChurch1.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/UMChurch2.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/UMChurch3.jpg
Gelatinous Goo 04-13-2011, 12:03 AM I love how there's another church next door!:)
ILikeTurtles 04-16-2011, 03:48 PM Dexter Stefonik:
Don't ask me how I actually found this, or why Google streetview goes off the highway to the actual rest stop, must have been fate! I literally just put the streetview marker onto the 94 highway and about a minute later I found the sign...what a good guess. As you can see, the sign for the Bad Route Rest area, and then the actual bad route rest area itself. Looks like it has been updated a bit since the broadcast, but this is it.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/badroute1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/badroute2.jpg
Great find.
sdb4884 04-17-2011, 12:47 AM Anyone know where Clarence and Geneva Roberts lived ?
dynoguy88 04-19-2011, 06:54 PM Anyone know where Clarence and Geneva Roberts lived ?
According to sources online, the first fire took place at the intersection of Indiana Route 135 and Grandma Barnes Road, 3 miles north of Nashville. This is the corner on street view.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Clarence1.jpg
You can see a house to the right at that intersection so I'm guessing that's the property where the original house burned down.
There are so many other locations in relation to this case that I can't find directions for; Clarence's Hardware Store, the bar where he was seen with the transient in Morgantown, the Bed & Breakfast where Geneva worked, the cemetery where they are buried. Geneva's house and the location of the second fire is listed also on Route 135 but it's 6 miles south of Nashville while the first fire was 3 miles north of Nashville. I can't pinpoint the exact spot without an address number, though.
sdb4884 04-20-2011, 08:56 AM According to sources online, the first fire took place at the intersection of Indiana Route 135 and Grandma Barnes Road, 3 miles north of Nashville. This is the corner on street view.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Clarence1.jpg
You can see a house to the right at that intersection so I'm guessing that's the property where the original house burned down.
There are so many other locations in relation to this case that I can't find directions for; Clarence's Hardware Store, the bar where he was seen with the transient in Morgantown, the Bed & Breakfast where Geneva worked, the cemetery where they are buried. Geneva's house and the location of the second fire is listed also on Route 135 but it's 6 miles south of Nashville while the first fire was 3 miles north of Nashville. I can't pinpoint the exact spot without an address number, though.
Cool thanks!
hostedbyrobertstack 04-22-2011, 02:26 PM Just posted this in Rhonda Hinson thread, but thought I would post in here as well...here is the cross on the side of Mineral Springs Mtn Road where Rhonda's Car came to a stop.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/hinsoncross.jpg
dynoguy88 04-22-2011, 10:35 PM JENNY PRATT:
This is the corner of Olievenhain Road & Rancho Santa Fe Road in Carlsbad, California. Jenny and Curtis were waiting here to turn left and continue on Santa Fe Road when she was attacked.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Jenny2.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Jenny1.jpg
Mysteryphile 04-23-2011, 03:12 AM You look at these places and they seem so ordinary...you would never think something so bad happened at them. I recently found out a nice path that I walk on almost everyday was the scene of a violent murder in the 50's and the murderer was never caught. The area is so green and peaceful with a stream running nearby...it was so hard to believe a murder could have taken place there.
zack007attack 04-26-2011, 08:38 PM What about the 40 Mile Flats cafe (where Phillip Fraser and the hitchhiker were spotted together)?
How about the car wash in Prince George, BC where the charred remains of Phillip's car was found?
dynoguy88 04-27-2011, 05:54 PM JOYCE MCLAIN:
This is Schenck High School in East Millinocket, Maine where Joyce went to school. The school is located on 45 North Street.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/JOYCE.jpg
Joyce went jogging on August 8, 1980. Her path took her behind the high school to the softball field which connects to the soccer field. It was on the soccer field where she was abducted, taken into the woods, raped and killed. This was as far back behind the school as Street View would let me go. You can see the softball field but the soccer field is just out of view.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/JOYCE2.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 06-17-2011, 12:52 AM Wanted to resurrect this old thread and keep it going! Here are a couple more. These were a bit tough! But I did it! haha.
ST. FRANCIS CATHEDRAL RECTORY IN SANTA FE, FROM REYNALDO RIVERA:
YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE THE SAME. THE UPPER LEFT WINDOW IS THE ONE THAT WAS LIT IN THE SEGMENT:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/franciscathedralrectory.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 06-17-2011, 12:53 AM ALSO, WHY IS THIS THREAD NOT A STICKY YET? :)
HERE IS A TOUGH ONE, JUST HAD TO LITERALLY TRY HIT AND MISS IN THE CITY OF YPSILANTI, MICHIGAN, BUT WAS ABLE TO TRACK THIS ONE DOWN!
THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE OF JACK BROWN...LOOKS A BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THIS IS IT!
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/jackbrownrealestateoffice.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 06-17-2011, 12:58 AM LUCKY AUTO SALES IN PONTIAC MICHIGAN, FROM THE MISSY MUNDAE SEGMENT. THIS IS WHERE SHE SAT AND WAITED FOR 2 HOURS WITH THE CAR SALESMAN.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/LUCKYAUTOSALES.jpg
Steve W. 06-17-2011, 09:01 AM Joyce McLain wasn't raped. It's just believed that this might have been the motive for her killer or killers. It stinks that they never found the murder weapon (a blunt object: maybe a baseball bat? softball field was nearby) and also I read the night she went jogging and was probably murdered, it thunderstormed and washed away any chance of footprints, etc.
It's hard to believe that there weren't more witnesses. It was a Friday night during the summer, approximately 8 PM, and there was supposedly a softball tournament in town that weekend as well as workers brought in to work on a mill or something like that. Plus, authorities said kids and local folks tended to hang out around the soccer field in the evening hours.
dynoguy88 06-19-2011, 11:36 PM OLIVER MUNSON:
This is where Oliver lived on the 600 block of Orpington Road in Catonsville, Maryland. This is also where Unsolved Mysteries filmed the reenactment. Oliver left here on February 13, 1984 to drive to work. He never arrived.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Oliver1.jpg
3 days later, Oliver's car was found here on Braeside Road in Catonsville, just 2 blocks from his home. The car had one flat tire and Oliver's school papers and bag lunch were on the front seat.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Oliver2.jpg
Hilton Solomon's car was stolen just hours before Oliver vanished. When the car was recovered, Hilton found several receipts to a video store in Baltimore in Oliver's name. There was blood on one receipt. The video store is located at 400 West Cold Spring Lane, Baltimore.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Oliver3.jpg
On a sad note, I read an article online (published in 1993) that said Ellicott City Middle School, where Oliver worked, was torn down several years after his disappearance. His students planted a blue spruce tree in his honor but it withered away and died not long after.
bugnpinky 06-20-2011, 12:23 AM Thanks for the hard work that has gone into this thread. Very interesting!
Steve W. 06-20-2011, 10:17 AM For some reason, Oliver Munson's story saddens me more than some of the other people's stories. Maybe it's because he seemed to be described as a genuinely nice guy and "the cool teacher" at school.
That Dennis Watson guy had to have killed him or hired someone else to kill him. They probably flattened one of his tires and then followed him for those two blocks and then just pulled up and demanded he get in the stolen car at gunpoint.
Thanks for posting dynoguy. I don't think I could ever use that car wash knowing what happened there. :(
I live in Austin and this part of 5th street is the way to downtown Austin off of Loop 1, so I have to drive by this car wash regularly. I can never drive by it without thinking of Colleen Reed.
"Charlie's Corner" (Charles Scheel, the news vendor) at 10th & K St, Sacramento:
silverstang84 06-23-2011, 10:08 PM [QUOTE=dynoguy88]OLIVER MUNSON:
This is where Oliver lived on the 600 block of Orpington Road in Catonsville, Maryland. This is also where Unsolved Mysteries filmed the reenactment. Oliver left here on February 13, 1984 to drive to work. He never arrived.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Oliver1.jpgQUOTE]
man, thats creepy. February 13, 1984 is my birthday.i was just being born as this poor guy was being abducted. shame
Roxanne Jeeves:
This is Holloman Road, where Roxanne Jeeves' car was found parked...if you look closely, you can actually see some cars parked down there, probably right where her car was found parked. The road doesn't look like it has changed at all:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/jeeves.jpg
I used to live in Mesquite, TX and drove down to Holloman's and got some great pics. I'll post them later today when I get home :) I believe I had sent them to CD a couple years ago after I went...
hostedbyrobertstack 06-28-2011, 12:07 AM Surprised this is still here...looks almost exactly the same. From one of the earlier pre-stack specials: Miami Jai Alai:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/miamijaialai.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 06-28-2011, 12:09 AM These were interesting finds. You have to kind of use your imagination, because the house has been painted and the trees have grown pretty big since the segment. This is Jule Caylor's house in Salt Lake:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/caylorhouse1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/caylorhouse2.jpg
Charlie99909 06-28-2011, 11:31 AM Someone should go to his door and ask him about making salads.
Hambone2421 06-28-2011, 12:01 PM Someone should go to his door and ask him about making salads.
Hahahahahahaha. Tell them your from Wendy's and were seeking out salad advice.
WishfulDreamer 07-01-2011, 02:03 PM Someone should go to his door and ask him about making salads.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Gelatinous Goo 07-01-2011, 03:31 PM Seriously, did anybody retain the Jule salad letter? It doesn't seem so. I would love to see it!
WishfulDreamer 07-03-2011, 03:40 PM Seriously, did anybody retain the Jule salad letter? It doesn't seem so. I would love to see it!
AND the picture of him with the salad!
Hambone2421 07-05-2011, 10:49 AM Seriously, did anybody retain the Jule salad letter? It doesn't seem so. I would love to see it!
I agree. I have never seen it, only heard about it.
MissFit29 07-05-2011, 11:33 PM I posted my Bad Route Rest Area pictures to the thread I started. I'm not great at figuring out how to link stuff though, so I'll have to do that at another point.
zack007attack 07-10-2011, 01:47 AM Does anyone happen to know where I could find pictures of the 40 Mile Flats Cafe in British Columbia? (The place where Phillip Fraser came into contact with the hitchhiker).
hostedbyrobertstack 07-10-2011, 08:28 AM Locations from the "Kyra/Kayla?" Not sure on her exact name, but she was from Longview, WA and lost her memory from being attacked in the park there. Anyways. Here is the post office she exited and it leads directly into the park across the street. These two shots were from the segment of the exact location:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/kyrapostoffice.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/kyrapark.jpg
SageSlowdive 08-01-2011, 08:38 PM C'mon people, time to post more!
WishfulDreamer 08-01-2011, 09:57 PM The only pictures I have of Granite, OK (Dial case) is cows because I didn't know about the thread at the time (2 years ago) and didn't go near the prison!
dynoguy88 08-01-2011, 11:33 PM VERONICA JEFFERSON:
This is McKinley Elementary School in Arlington, Virginia. Veronica was raped and shot to death in the school yard.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Veronica.jpg
The only part of the school yard that's visible from the street is just off to the right. However, when I zoomed in, I noticed a set of stairs that seems to go behind the school. You'll recall in the reenactment, the killer forces Veronica up a flight of stairs into the school yard at gunpoint. This is just a guess on my part but maybe these are those same stairs.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Veronica2.jpg
The Giant Food Market where Veronica was seen just hours before her murder and where her car was discovered was impossible to find. I couldn't get an exact address. But reading online, I found out that 2 of their stores in Arlington were torn down and rebuilt in recent years so I can't be sure which is the right one.
DetailsTellAll 08-17-2011, 02:36 PM Does anyone happen to know where I could find pictures of the 40 Mile Flats Cafe in British Columbia? (The place where Phillip Fraser came into contact with the hitchhiker).
Here is pictures of the 40 Mile Flats Cafe in British Columbia in the present day.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe2.jpg
Notice the little brown shack in the front of the picture with the white trim...you can see it also from the video of the Phillip Fraser story....so that confirms that the location is correct (see below for comparison)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe3.jpg
zack007attack 08-17-2011, 04:52 PM Here is pictures of the 40 Mile Flats Cafe in British Columbia in the present day.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe2.jpg
Notice the little brown shack in the front of the picture with the white trim...you can see it also from the video of the Phillip Fraser story....so that confirms that the location is correct (see below for comparison)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe3.jpg
Thanks a bunch!
Mr. Yeti 08-18-2011, 03:30 PM 1) The area where Julie Cross was shot on a Secret Service task.
2) The Corner where the suspicious car was in the Roger Dean segment (this isn't actually his address, for some reason they shot this piece way down the road).
3) The Credit Union where Steve Hadley did a runner with the cash.
4) The area in the street where Frank Olsen was found.
5) David Merrifields workplace when he was fatally shot.
Sorry these arn't fantastic, I'm new to using googlemaps, will try for more sometime
Ash
Mr. Yeti 08-18-2011, 11:11 PM 1) The site where Mark Groezingers car was found
2) Where Colleen Reed was abducted
3) What was the mixing plant used by Raphael Camarena
4) The entrance to the wooded area in Alexandria VA where Hilda Rochet was killed by Gregory Barker.
5) The Old Government Bridge featured in the Lisa Kimmel case.
Mr. Yeti 08-21-2011, 11:40 PM hope those pictures provided any interest for anyone :)
Steve W. 08-22-2011, 11:00 AM Someone looked like they were using the carwash in your photo. I wonder if they know the history there. :eek:
dks64 08-23-2011, 03:53 AM This thread is awesome! I didn't understand the salad comments until I Googled it, that was freakin' hilarious!
dynoguy88 08-23-2011, 10:18 AM How on Earth did you find the entrance to the wooded area where Hilda Roche was killed? I tried looking for it online before but I couldn't find any old articles about the murder and the UM segment only said her body was found in a field behind an elementary school. Had I known the name of the school in Alexandria, it would have been easy to find.
Interesting how the 40 Mile Flats Cafe where Phillip Fraser was last seen alive hasn't changed in over 20 years.
brianh333 08-23-2011, 11:44 AM Just checking back in to the boards, after stumbling into an UM episode on Spike last night, for the first time in a while.
Anyway, here was a Pictures thread that started last year, that just never really seemed to catch legs. Most the ones mentioned there have been updated here (excellent work on some of these, dynoguy!).
A couple of others that I had added way back when (in the linked post) are the Jamie Santos house ("Stonehedge... like the bush"), and the John/Linda Sohus house (Christopher Chichester / Crowe / Rockefeller)
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=4429523&postcount=18
Mr. Yeti 08-24-2011, 01:05 AM How on Earth did you find the entrance to the wooded area where Hilda Roche was killed? I tried looking for it online before but I couldn't find any old articles about the murder and the UM segment only said her body was found in a field behind an elementary school. Had I known the name of the school in Alexandria, it would have been easy to find.
Interesting how the 40 Mile Flats Cafe where Phillip Fraser was last seen alive hasn't changed in over 20 years.
I did a search around the entire area and around the four schools in the town before I noticed only one school had a wooded area in the vicinity of it. I'm unsure weather that entrance is accurate but that is the wooded area. It's the only one near a school at all.
Karmevil 08-24-2011, 06:51 PM I wonder if anyone could see if the big ice cream cone shape building is standing in the rebecca young case. Or roughly the area where ethel kidd was found, or the hope graves burial site in texas
dynoguy88 08-24-2011, 07:38 PM I did a search around the entire area and around the four schools in the town before I noticed only one school had a wooded area in the vicinity of it. I'm unsure weather that entrance is accurate but that is the wooded area. It's the only one near a school at all.
Ahhhh, I see. When there's no articles online about particular cases, you have find other ways of finding locations online. Good work.
brianh333 08-24-2011, 07:52 PM I wonder if anyone could see if the big ice cream cone shape building is standing in the rebecca young case. Or roughly the area where ethel kidd was found, or the hope graves burial site in texas
The location of the Black Hope Curse Cemetery is in Crosby, TX; in the "Newport" subdivision.
The addresses referenced here - scroll down to the bottom, right above the "Poltergeist little girl" picture (http://www.squidoo.com/black-hope-cemetery) are:
15802 Poppets Court (the Sam and Judith Haney house)
and
803 Poppets Way (the Ben and Jean Williams house)
From trying to compare Google Street Views with the houses pictured in the UM re-enactment, I can't tell if they filmed it in the actual location or not.
brianh333 08-24-2011, 08:05 PM I wonder if anyone could see if the big ice cream cone shape building is standing in the rebecca young case.
I tried all sorts of searches on this one (I'd swear I had pinned down the location at some point last year), but justins5256 posted here (http://sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2913345&postcount=30) that this one took place 30 miles from him.
He might be able to provide an address; though from what I can gather, the "Twisty Treat" (ice cream cone building referenced in the segment) is no longer in existence. That doesn't mean that the building isn't - just that the business isn't.
dynoguy88 08-24-2011, 08:43 PM I wonder if anyone could see if the big ice cream cone shape building is standing in the rebecca young case. Or roughly the area where ethel kidd was found, or the hope graves burial site in texas
I've tried to find Ethel's house before but there's no information about the case online where I could even get a street name.
It was easy to find the little post office in Burr Hill, though. Ethel drives by this place in the beginning of the segment.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Ethel-1.jpg
Not that different from the Unsolved Mysteries screen caps...
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Ethel-2.jpg
dynoguy88 08-24-2011, 11:09 PM David and Cynthia Dowaliby's house in Midlothian, Illinois where Jaclyn was kidnapped. The house is located on 148th Place. The basement window that was broken is on the back of the house, not on the driveway like in the reenactment.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dowaliby.jpg
Jaclyn's body was found 4 miles away behind this apartment complex on Canal Street in Blue Island.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Dowaliby2.jpg
Todd Mueller 08-25-2011, 09:14 PM Best. Thread. EVER.
Thanks to all for posting the pictures, especially dynoguy88. This is awesome!
brianh333 08-25-2011, 11:39 PM 1) The area where Julie Cross was shot on a Secret Service task.
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=169307&stc=1&d=1313695690
Ash
I've been researching this one for the last hour or so, and I think you have this one about pegged (on Interceptor Street, facing east, just around the corner from Belford Avenue).
Just "for the sake of argument", I'd like to throw this out there.
At the very beginning of the UM segment, Stack mentions that "on this spot, gunfire echoed down these streets". From what I can gather, it sure looks like he's standing on Belford Avenue, with the camera facing south towards Interceptor Street.
I'm about 90% confident that I've placed the red arrow at the same exact spot on the sidewalk - in both the UM segment shot, as well as the Google Maps shot.
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac216/brian222_2010/juliecrossUM2.jpg
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac216/brian222_2010/juliecrossUM.jpg
brianh333 08-26-2011, 12:52 AM the location of (what was then) TK Harty's Saloon in Athens, GA.
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac216/brian222_2010/TKHartyUM-1.jpg
my source for the location: a pretty fascinating article (http://onlineathens.com/stories/082607/news_20070826139.shtml) on the circumstances surrounding the murder, from OnlineAthens.com. "Now the site of the Athens Community Council on Aging, T.K.'s was packed with a mix of University of Georgia students, professionals, laborers and aspiring rock stars."
dynoguy88 09-04-2011, 08:20 PM You can throw this in the Connecticut River Valley Killer file.
The segment mainly focused on the attack of Jane Boroski. The other victims pictures were shown with the date of their murders but not much else other than the discoveries of Bernice Courtermanche and Ellen Fried's remains being found just 1 mile apart in the same woods. (Although, there was a brief and chilling reenactment scene that showed Ellen Fried begging for her life before being thrown to the ground and stabbed in slow motion complete with creepy music.)
On July 20, 1984, she finished her shift at Valley Regional Hospital in Claremont, NH where she worked as a nurse. She left at 11:00 p.m. and went to a payphone outside Leo's Market to call her sister in California. This is where she was eventually abducted by the killer.
Leo's Market is located on 130 Main Street in Claremont. And there is still a payphone outside...
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/EllenF1.jpg
Ellen's abduction was similar to Angela Hammond's in several ways. She didn't have a telephone in her apartment so that was why she was there in the first place. Angela's phone conversation wasn't more than several minutes or so. Ellen talked with her sister for a little over an hour. In both cases, a truck kept circling the block which made the women a little nervous. Ellen actually told her sister to a wait a minute. She dropped the phone, went to start her car and then went back to the phone to finish talking with her sister. The main difference, of course was that Angela was taken during her phone conversation while Ellen's killer waited until she hung up before abducting her. These screen shots of Leo's Market are a little better without the sunlight...
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/EllenF2.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/EllenF3.jpg
Ellen's remains were found nearly a year and half later in September 1985, approximately 8 miles away in Newport. Google street view obviously won't let you go into the woods or on dirt roads so I took this screen cap from the E Special that covered the case.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/EllenF4.jpg
Ellen's remains were found here along the Sugar River. Just like the other victims of the Valley killer, she was stabbed to death.
Steve W. 09-19-2011, 09:40 AM LISA ZIEGERT (Card shop she was abducted from on Walnut Street Extension in Agawam, Massachusetts)
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ.jpg
When Lisa worked there, it was called Brittany's Card & Gift Shoppe. I'm not sure what it is now. I originally thought it was vacant now but there are cars in the parking lot so it must be used for something.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ2.jpg
The building has two businesses. The card shop was on the right side...
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ3.jpg
These final two pictures show what the block looks like looking in both directions on Walnut Street...
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ4.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/LisaZ5.jpg
What's amazing is that no matter where you look, there are businesses everywhere in every direction from the card shop. Lisa was abducted on a Wednesday night some time between 8:20 and 9:10 p.m. It wasn't that late. In fact, some people say it was still light out when she was taken. Stores were still open. Nobody witnessed anything. Not even the sandwich shop right across the street which had a perfect view of the card shop.
Is that building to the right of the card shop a carpet store (or one in the past)?
dynoguy88 10-17-2011, 02:33 PM TARA CALICO (continued)
This is the convenience store in Port St. Joe, Florida where the photo was found of the boy and girl tied up in a van. The photo was found on June 15, 1989.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tara1-1.jpg
This is a side view of the store. I drew an arrow to where the photo was found in the reenactment. There are gas pumps in front of the store now that weren't there in 1989.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tara2-1.jpg
dynoguy88 10-17-2011, 02:40 PM MICHAEL FRANCKE:
This is the Dome Building, also known as the Oregon Department of Corrections at 2575 Center Street in Salem, Oregon. Michael was murdered here on January 17, 1989. I drew an arrow to where his body was found (behind the tree) where he tried to escape his attackers, breaking a window in the process.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Francke1.jpg
A random fact I found out from Wikipedia. This building is also where the movie, "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" was filmed in 1975.
TracyLynnS 10-17-2011, 03:41 PM Great thread! Thanks to all the contributors! :)
undertakeress 10-18-2011, 02:20 AM Very awesome pics.
I will try to get pics of a cop shooting featured from Lee County VA. My dad lives right near there and I will be there over Thanksgiving.
Dynoguy - great job..plus we're neighbors. I live in L.P.
dynoguy88 10-23-2011, 05:06 PM LUCIE TURMEL (Killed May 17, 1990)
This is another example of a horrible crime taking place in a beautiful location. The resort town of Banff in Alberta, Canada where Lucie was murdered is quite a sight with the Canadian Rocky Mountains in the background.
This is the Banff Springs Hotel on Spray Avenue where Lucie picked up her last fare at 1:45 a.m. Two girls and her eventual killer, Ryan Love, entered the taxi and then Lucie drove off.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Lucie1.jpg
An article I read online stated that Ryan Love had, up until recently, worked at the hotel as a housekeeper before the murder but was eventually fired. Lucie had worked there for a while the previous year.
As far as the actual attack is concerned, I assume the 2 girls were dropped off at their location and then with Ryan alone in the taxi with Lucie, he made his move. This is Squirrel Street where the murder happened. Lucie's body was left in the middle of the road.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Lucie2.jpg
An autopsy showed that Ryan began to attack her with his knife while she was still in the taxi. Lucie was able to escape the initial attack, running from the taxi, but Love chased her down and stabbed her 17 more times in the neck before leaving her for dead and stealing her cab. I still can't believe he's about to be a free man.
One more interesting note is that Nigel Patterson, the police officer who later tracked down Ryan Love and was interviewed in the UM segment, actually lived on Squirrel Street where the murder happened. He was just a block away asleep in his bed when everything went down.
1990 UM fan 10-23-2011, 05:57 PM Didn't know this thread existed. Great work to all involved. Can anyone find me the beauty salon where Dana Satterfield worked and was found murdered in?
TracyLynnS 10-24-2011, 11:16 AM Not positive, but I think Dana's beauty salon was in a trailer converted for that purpose. Seems like I read that it's no longer there. Anyone else remember that or am I mistaken?
TracyLynnS 10-24-2011, 11:21 AM I think these are photos of Tommy Burkett's house and neighborhood, on Bing Maps. Is this the right place?
1990 UM fan 10-24-2011, 12:27 PM Not positive, but I think Dana's beauty salon was in a trailer converted for that purpose. Seems like I read that it's no longer there. Anyone else remember that or am I mistaken?
I tried looking for it but the highway where it's at is such a long stretch I don't know where to find it.
1990 UM fan 10-25-2011, 01:28 PM I think I found the apartment complex where Jodi Huisentruit lived and was abducted from but it won't let me look at it from street view, only from above.
undertakeress 10-25-2011, 11:17 PM ALSO, WHY IS THIS THREAD NOT A STICKY YET? :)
HERE IS A TOUGH ONE, JUST HAD TO LITERALLY TRY HIT AND MISS IN THE CITY OF YPSILANTI, MICHIGAN, BUT WAS ABLE TO TRACK THIS ONE DOWN!
THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE OF JACK BROWN...LOOKS A BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THIS IS IT!
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/jackbrownrealestateoffice.jpg
Drove by this the other day leaving school and I did a double take!!!
dynoguy88 10-26-2011, 12:10 PM I put this is the Kurt Sova thread but I thought it should be here too since it gives a better view of everything related to the case.
Bing Maps birds eye view:
In the upper right hand corner, I labeled and circled the duplex. J.L. Goodman Furniture and the ravine where Kurt's body was found are also labeled. Finally, to the far left of the picture, you'll see a street called Washington Park Blvd. That is where Angeline Reddicks looked out the window of her house and saw 2 males carrying an unconscious teenage boy into the ravine the day before Kurt's body was found. That's certainly a strange and long route to take to dump the body in the ravine. And it's in plain sight of so many homes.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/KurtSova.jpg
pinksparkles18 10-26-2011, 09:40 PM I think I found the apartment complex where Jodi Huisentruit lived and was abducted from but it won't let me look at it from street view, only from above.
Yeah same here. The best I could find were these (sorry it's just the links, my photo hosting is acting up right now) :confused:
http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/1/6/F/xy_16F7F752-75BB-41F5-82AD-5008F0D71549__.jpg
http://www.pawplaces.net/apartment_images/49508.jpg
1990 UM fan 10-27-2011, 01:47 AM Yeah same here. The best I could find were these (sorry it's just the links, my photo hosting is acting up right now) :confused:
http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/1/6/F/xy_16F7F752-75BB-41F5-82AD-5008F0D71549__.jpg
http://www.pawplaces.net/apartment_images/49508.jpg
I can see them. Not bad of a view.
sdb4884 10-27-2011, 10:48 AM Big thank-you to everyone for their efforts, really amazing how the scenes of these crimes have changes over the years and how some have stayed almost the same.
Hambone2421 10-27-2011, 01:27 PM Does anyone know the location of Eric Tamiyasu's home where his body was found and if so, can you post a picture of it on here? Thanks!
Charlie99909 10-27-2011, 01:42 PM Does anyone know the location of Eric Tamiyasu's home where his body was found and if so, can you post a picture of it on here? Thanks!
The best you could do is to locate the orchard. I had a hard time finding it as there are a lot of trees and private dirt roads.
dynoguy88 12-09-2011, 10:30 PM WILLIAM BRADFORD BISHOP:
This is the Bishop home located at 8103 Lilly Stone Drive in Bethesda, Maryland, where Brad Bishop murdered his family on March 1, 1976.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop2-1.jpg
I could never understand before why the house wasn't visible from the street on Google Street View but looking from the bird's eye view on Bing Maps, you can see the house is hidden behind a ton of trees. The split driveway the Bishop family shared with their next door neighbor, the ones who had the extra key to the Bishop house and reported the family missing can be seen in this shot.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop1-2.jpg
The virtual tour of the house is still available online. So I took these screen shots of the two bedrooms where Bishop's 3 sons were murdered.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop3-1.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop4-1.jpg
This last photo is the Sears store located in the Montgomery Mall where Brad Bishop bought the 2 1/2 gallon gas can and the 2 1/2 pound mini-maul sledgehammer around 5:40 p.m. on the night of the murders.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop5.jpg
1990 UM fan 12-09-2011, 11:16 PM WILLIAM BRADFORD BISHOP:
This is the Bishop home located at 8103 Lilly Stone Drive in Bethesda, Maryland, where Brad Bishop murdered his family on March 1, 1976.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop2-1.jpg
I could never understand before why the house wasn't visible from the street on Google Street View but looking from the bird's eye view on Bing Maps, you can see the house is hidden behind a ton of trees. The split driveway the Bishop family shared with their next door neighbor, the ones who had the extra key to the Bishop house and reported the family missing can be seen in this shot.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop1-2.jpg
The virtual tour of the house is still available online. So I took these screen shots of the two bedrooms where Bishop's 3 sons were murdered.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop3-1.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop4-1.jpg
This last photo is the Sears store located in the Montgomery Mall where Brad Bishop bought the 2 1/2 gallon gas can and the 2 1/2 pound mini-maul sledgehammer around 5:40 p.m. on the night of the murders.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop5.jpg
Nice search work. Pretty little house too. I think i would be scared to live in a house that 4-5 people were murdered in though.
Charlie99909 12-11-2011, 02:22 AM Nice search work. Pretty little house too. I think i would be scared to live in a house that 4-5 people were murdered in though.
Que Robert Stack;
"Tonight on Unsolved Mysteries, a seemingly normal house in Bethesda, Maryland is the scene of several unknown apparitions. Could they be the spirits of a family murdered here more than 30 years ago?"
Dun dun dun da dun da da!
I got chills just imagining him saying that.
futuredentist86 12-17-2011, 03:12 PM Sorry that my friend and I are in these and the darkness makes it hard to see but they were taken before I saw this thread and have since moved away from the area and can't retake them.
futuredentist86 12-17-2011, 03:13 PM This was taken in what I believed to be the spot Stack spoke from at one point. More to follow...
futuredentist86 12-17-2011, 10:53 PM This is a tough one. I can't find any articles online about the Kathy Hobbs case other than an Unsolved Mysteries wiki article, which basically states everything that's mentioned in the segment.
The segment did say that the 24 hour supermarket where she bought her book was on the corner of Desert Inn Road & Maryland Parkway in Las Vegas. But looking at the corner on street view, I'm not sure which corner is the right one. Right now, there's an Applebee's on one corner, a Carl Junior Burger place on another corner and a liquor store on the other corner. It's a major intersection and it's not surprising that the businesses are different than what they were in 1987 when Kathy was kidnapped.
According to the segment, the apartment complex where she lived with her mother and sister was just a block and half from the supermarket. When snooping around, I found a couple apartment complexes nearby but I'm not sure which one is the right one.
As to where Kathy's body was found, I don't think it's even available on street view because she was dumped somewhere in the desert.
Really late to reply to this, but it's the NW corner - there's a Carl's Jr in the corner and the Office Max is where the former Albertson's supermarket was where Kathy went to buy her novel. I have pictures, trying to find them now.
dynoguy88 12-28-2011, 05:10 PM MOLLY BISH:
An aerial shot of Comins Pond in Warren, Massachusetts where Molly was abducted on June 27, 2000. I've got all the areas of interest marked. The entrance is where Molly's mother dropped her off every day and where she saw the creepy looking guy in a white car the day before the abduction.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bish2.jpg
Articles online say that the day after the abduction, bloodhounds tracked Molly's scent leading from her lifeguard chair, into the woods to Saint Paul's Cemetery. And the abduction happened so quickly. Molly's mother dropped her off at 10:00 a.m. and by 10:08, she had already vanished.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bish4.jpg
This last photo is a car wash located at the edge of Comins Pond Road, just down the street from the pond. Two people reported seeing a white car here that matched the description of the car Molly's mother has seen the day before.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bish3.jpg
dynoguy88 12-28-2011, 05:23 PM KATHY HOBBS:
Thanks to Awsi Dooger and futuredentist86 for pointing out the correct corner of Desert Inn Road & Maryland Parkway in Las Vegas where Kathy was abducted. Kathy bought her book at a 24 hour market called Albertsons. Today, the market is an Office Depot. Kathy exited through a side entrance which is now blocked and walled in next to a loading dock. According to the eyewitness phone call to police, the abduction happened in this side parking lot as well.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/KathyHobbs2.jpg
TracyLynnS 12-28-2011, 06:26 PM Thanks for the info, Dynoguy!
ILikeTurtles 01-08-2012, 07:27 PM Here is pictures of the 40 Mile Flats Cafe in British Columbia in the present day.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe2.jpg
Notice the little brown shack in the front of the picture with the white trim...you can see it also from the video of the Phillip Fraser story....so that confirms that the location is correct (see below for comparison)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/InvestigativeByNature/UMPhotos/40MileFlatsCafe3.jpg
You win.
hostedbyrobertstack 01-08-2012, 09:11 PM Let's keep this thread going...I want to see more :) Not sure which ones we have left out...Someone find Kathy Hobbs' apartment and pool? It may be tough...
dks64 01-09-2012, 02:54 PM Didn't know this thread existed. Great work to all involved. Can anyone find me the beauty salon where Dana Satterfield worked and was found murdered in?
I can confirm that it was torn down. This information came from an episode of Solved (her case was profiled, a good watch, available through streaming on Netflix).
dks64 01-09-2012, 03:33 PM I want to thank everyone again for contributing to this thread. Really, this is awesome.
futuredentist86 01-11-2012, 01:12 AM So good news and bad - I was in Vegas for a few days over break and took a ride down to the Kathy Hobbs intersection - they were literally in the process of clearing the rubble from the Albertson's/Office Depot (thanks, Dynoguy88 - I couldn't seem to find my old pictures). Here's what it looks like as of 12/23/11. My aunt said it was still standing 1 week earlier.
1990 UM fan 01-11-2012, 01:15 AM So good news and bad - I was in Vegas for a few days over break and took a ride down to the Kathy Hobbs intersection - they were literally in the process of clearing the rubble from the Albertson's/Office Depot (thanks, Dynoguy88 - I couldn't seem to find my old pictures). Here's what it looks like as of 12/23/11. My aunt said it was still standing 1 week earlier.
Wow, that is sad, and even more sad to know that a girl was kidnapped from around there and later murdered.
futuredentist86 01-11-2012, 01:18 AM Here's another of the empty lot at Desert Inn/Maryland Parkway and the Carl's Junior that stands in the parking lot
futuredentist86 01-11-2012, 01:27 AM So after I photographed the rubble, I discovered that my aunt lived in the Las Vegas Country Club towers just West of the Desert Inn/Maryland when the crime occurred. She took me about 2 blocks south to where she was certain "the girl" (K. Hobbs) lived. It's a really sketchy area now, but I took one for the team and got off a few shots of the pool. She remembers the crime as being shocking as at that the time the area was up and coming.
pinksparkles18 01-11-2012, 07:17 PM So after I photographed the rubble, I discovered that my aunt lived in the Las Vegas Country Club towers just West of the Desert Inn/Maryland when the crime occurred. She took me about 2 blocks south to where she was certain "the girl" (K. Hobbs) lived. It's a really sketchy area now, but I took one for the team and got off a few shots of the pool. She remembers the crime as being shocking as at that the time the area was up and coming.
Ooh good pictures! It's creepy to imagine walking in that area at night! :eek:
Steve W. 01-12-2012, 12:10 PM MOLLY BISH:
An aerial shot of Comins Pond in Warren, Massachusetts where Molly was abducted on June 27, 2000. I've got all the areas of interest marked. The entrance is where Molly's mother dropped her off every day and where she saw the creepy looking guy in a white car the day before the abduction.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bish2.jpg
Articles online say that the day after the abduction, bloodhounds tracked Molly's scent leading from her lifeguard chair, into the woods to Saint Paul's Cemetery. And the abduction happened so quickly. Molly's mother dropped her off at 10:00 a.m. and by 10:08, she had already vanished.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bish4.jpg
This last photo is a car wash located at the edge of Comins Pond Road, just down the street from the pond. Two people reported seeing a white car here that matched the description of the car Molly's mother has seen the day before.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bish3.jpg
I forget all of the details of this case: was Molly Bish liefguarding while no one else was there that morning?
TracyLynnS 01-12-2012, 12:59 PM I forget all of the details of this case: was Molly Bish liefguarding while no one else was there that morning?
Best I can remember, Molly started her shift as lifeguard that day and was alone at the pond. She disappeared within minutes. Seems like it was 15 minutes into her shift or something when swimmers showed up and found the lifeguard post empty.
I'll definitely have to double check that info because I have a terrible memory. Going to see what I can find out....
eta: Here's what mollybish.org says -
On the morning of June 27, 2000, Magi Bish drove her 16 year old daughter, Molly to her Life Guard post at a rural pond in Western Massachusetts. When swimmers arrived minutes later, the only traces of Molly were her water-bottle, sandals, a police radio and an opened first aid kit.
dynoguy88 01-12-2012, 01:22 PM I forget all of the details of this case: was Molly Bish liefguarding while no one else was there that morning?
Molly's post began at 10:00 a.m. And her mother dropped her off a couple minutes before 10:00. Nobody else was there at the time. A mother and her 2 young children walked on the beach at 10:08. They saw all of Molly's belongings (her lunch, towel, flip-flops, etc.) over her lifeguard chair but Molly was already gone. So she was abducted in less than 8 minutes.
There were no signs of a struggle at the chair. The only thing that looked suspicious was that Molly's first aid kit was open. Her father thinks that the killer came out of the woods behind her and yelled that either he or a friend needed help because he was hurt. So Molly probably opened her first aid kit, ran back to the woods to help whoever she thought was injured and instead, the killer overpowered her and dragged her away through the woods that led into the cemetery. That would explain why her scent was tracked back there. An article I read online says the woods behind the beach is like a hill. You can lay on the ground from a high distance, have a perfect view of the beach and not be detected.
This whole abduction was very planned out. That's why I think the man Molly's mother saw at the beach entrance the day before might be the actual kidnapper. I think he was watching her routine so he knew what time she usually arrived for work. He knew that the beach was pretty much deserted at that time of morning. And he struck from behind her on the beach, a view nobody could see from the entrance, so Molly's mother wouldn't be concerned.
The truly scary part about this crime is how fast it happened. If the mother and her two little kids had arrived at the beach a few minutes earlier, Molly would still probably be alive today.
dynoguy88 01-14-2012, 07:25 PM LARRY DICKENS / EDWARD HAROLD BELL:
I found the location of Larry's terrible murder and it's interesting to note that Unsolved Mysteries filmed the reenactment at Dorothy Lang's house, where the actual crime happened.
This is the intersection of Oaks Drive and Handell Lane in Pasadena, Texas where the neighborhood boys were playing when Bell pulled up in his truck.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Larry1.jpg
From this angle, you can see Dorothy's house (to the right) and the kitchen window where she was standing and got a perfect view of Bell when he parked his truck and walked towards the boys.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Larry2.jpg
The driveway and garage of the Lang home where the last shots were fired and Larry died.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Larry3.jpg
Charlie99909 01-16-2012, 01:48 AM http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=27236
This link shows the corner of K and 10th in downtown Sacramento. The same corner Charles Scheel had his newspaper stand.
dynoguy88 01-19-2012, 02:51 PM TAMMY LEPPERT (continued)
This is 1052 Pompeno in Rockledge, Florida. Tammy and her mother lived here with Wing Flannagan when she went missing.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/TammyPIC1.jpg
The house is on a corner. I am not sure which window Tammy broke with the baseball bat. It might be the one here next to the front door. Or it could be on the back of the house which is fenced in, I'm not exactly sure.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/TammyPIC2.jpg
Karl Jade 01-22-2012, 03:06 AM TAMMY LEPPERT (continued)
This is 1052 Pompeno in Rockledge, Florida. Tammy and her mother lived here with Wing Flannagan when she went missing.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/TammyPIC1.jpg
The house is on a corner. I am not sure which window Tammy broke with the baseball bat. It might be the one here next to the front door. Or it could be on the back of the house which is fenced in, I'm not exactly sure.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/TammyPIC2.jpg
Impressive. Where did you get the info from for this?
dynoguy88 01-22-2012, 01:11 PM Impressive. Where did you get the info from for this?
Tammy's sister Suzanne found the house a couple years ago. All credit goes to her. She also mentioned the house was white when Tammy vanished.
http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases.yuku.com/reply/2641/Tammy-Lynn-Leppert-missing-since-Jul-6-1983-from-Fla#.TxxC-oGZj3Q
dynoguy88 01-25-2012, 02:32 PM MATT FLORES:
This was Matt's building at Applied Materials, #12 at 3225 Oakmead Village Drive in Santa Clara. The white explorer was seen entering and exiting the parking lot right here. There is no back entrance to the building.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/MATT3.jpg
The only way to get a view of the parking lot is through an an aerial shot. Matt's building is to the right and Matt was shot somewhere at the middle to upper left of the picture. It matches up with what was shown in the segment.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/MATT1.jpg
dks64 01-30-2012, 06:22 PM I'm surprised how many of the reenactments were filmed on location. Was this something that happened in the 80's/90's (for other shows), or was UM just special like that?
dynoguy88 02-06-2012, 02:20 AM DOCTOR JOHN BRANION:
It really helps when segments have maps. And after a little searching online, I was able to find the exact addresses.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Branion4.jpg
This run down old building was Branion's clinic. It's located at 5027 South Prairie Street. Branion claimed he left here at 11:30 a.m. on December 22, 1967. He exchanged words with the clinic administrator just outside the building and then left to pick up his son from nursery school. It's kind of sad that this was considered a nice neighborhood in 1967.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Branion2.jpg
This was Branion's son's school located at 5470 South Kenwood Avenue. The son's teacher verified that Branion arrived at 11:40.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Branion3.jpg
Branion's apartment building and the scene of the crime, where Donna was murdered. The address is 5054 South Woodlawn Avenue.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Branion5.jpg
Steve W. 02-07-2012, 11:41 AM "Was this something that happened in the 80's/90's (for other shows), or was UM just special like that?"
UM was just more intimate like that (as if the music, etc. wasn't already good for the atmosphere of the show).
welshman 02-08-2012, 01:35 PM Does anyone know the correct address for the bus depot that the body of Gary Simmons was found in a cave in Independance Missouri
mphs95 02-08-2012, 04:15 PM I can confirm that it was torn down. This information came from an episode of Solved (her case was profiled, a good watch, available through streaming on Netflix).
What segment is it? I went on Netflix and couldn't find it. Would love to watch it
dynoguy88 02-08-2012, 08:15 PM BILL HENDERSON:
Bill's home in Washburn, Texas on Farm-to-Market Road, where he was killed in 1991.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/BillHenderson2.jpg
The plant growth sort of hides the house now but everything matches up.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/BillHenderson3.jpg
1990 UM fan 02-08-2012, 09:20 PM BILL HENDERSON:
Bill's home in Washburn, Texas on Farm-to-Market Road, where he was killed in 1991.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/BillHenderson2.jpg
The plant growth sort of hides the house now but everything matches up.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/BillHenderson3.jpg
I'm getting a little eerie feeling by looking at this picture. Thank God they caught the guy who killed him.
dks64 02-10-2012, 01:22 AM What segment is it? I went on Netflix and couldn't find it. Would love to watch it
Season 2, Episode 5, A Test Of Time. They reveal a lot of details UM never mentioned (expected though, as it was a 45 minute segment on the case). Very interesting.
I've never tried this before, but if you're signed in on your computer, this may take you right to it: http://movies.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70209588&trkid=3325854
dks64 02-10-2012, 01:31 AM "Was this something that happened in the 80's/90's (for other shows), or was UM just special like that?"
UM was just more intimate like that (as if the music, etc. wasn't already good for the atmosphere of the show).
That's just awesome.
dynoguy88 02-11-2012, 02:43 AM THRILL KILLER / ERIC JOYCE LEONARD
In Sacramento, California, Leonard went on his killing spree.
On February 12, 1991, he killed Stephen Anderson, Zaid Ahmed Obeid and Thor Johnson Sr. at the Quick Stop Convenience Store located at 3700 Auburn Blvd. Johnson was shot right outside the front door.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Convenientstore1.jpg
Exactly one week later, close to the same hour, Leonard killed 3 more people at the Round Table Pizza Parlor also located in Sacramento at 3227 Watt Avenue. The victims were Sarah Cook, Kyle Reynolds and Andrea Coldangelo. The business is now called Straw Hat Pizza.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Convenientstore2.jpg
Steve W. 02-11-2012, 10:30 AM Did Eric Leonard get executed for murdering those 6 people?
TracyLynnS 02-11-2012, 10:55 AM Did Eric Leonard get executed for murdering those 6 people?
In 2007, the california supreme court unanimously upheld his death sentence. I haven't been able to find much else about him online, but apparently he's still sitting in prison.
This document is a california "condemned inmate" list. It's 29 pages long and has 725 inmates listed in alphabetical order. The publish date says it was yesterday, 2/10/2012
http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Capital_Punishment/docs/CondemnedInmateListSecure.pdf
dynoguy88 02-11-2012, 01:04 PM I read online that Leonard lived just half a block from the Quick Stop at the time of the shootings. You'd think a thrill killer wouldn't kill THAT close to home. Or maybe that's just part of the thrill.
dynoguy88 02-13-2012, 12:14 AM TARA BRECKENRIDGE
This is the Men's Club at 3300 Sage Road in Houston where Tara worked. On August 4, 1992, Tara volunteered to leave work early because it was a slow evening. She left and was never seen again.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tara1-2.jpg
Tara's car was found abandoned 3 miles away at the 1200 block of West Loop North near 12th Street.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tara2-2.jpg
1990 UM fan 02-13-2012, 01:38 AM dynoguy88, you are awesome for finding all these pictures. I wonder how many people who go to these places know the UM stories behind them?
dks64 02-13-2012, 02:33 AM Today is the 21st anniversary of the beginning of the Thrill killings.
1990 UM fan 02-13-2012, 03:16 AM Today is the 21st anniversary of the beginning of the Thrill killings.
omg
dynoguy88 03-02-2012, 12:38 PM DANNY CASOLARO:
This is the Holiday Inn in Martinsburgh, West Virginia where Danny was murdered in room 517 on August 10, 1991.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Casolaro1.jpg
The hotel is located at 301 Foxcroft Avenue, just off Interstate 81. It was a Sheraton Hotel at the time of Danny's death. The hotel has been remodeled a bit in the last 15 years.
Corkys-Place 03-02-2012, 09:59 PM WILLIAM BRADFORD BISHOP:
This is the Bishop home located at 8103 Lilly Stone Drive in Bethesda, Maryland, where Brad Bishop murdered his family on March 1, 1976.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop2-1.jpg
I could never understand before why the house wasn't visible from the street on Google Street View but looking from the bird's eye view on Bing Maps, you can see the house is hidden behind a ton of trees. The split driveway the Bishop family shared with their next door neighbor, the ones who had the extra key to the Bishop house and reported the family missing can be seen in this shot.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop1-2.jpg
The virtual tour of the house is still available online. So I took these screen shots of the two bedrooms where Bishop's 3 sons were murdered.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop3-1.jpg
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop4-1.jpg
This last photo is the Sears store located in the Montgomery Mall where Brad Bishop bought the 2 1/2 gallon gas can and the 2 1/2 pound mini-maul sledgehammer around 5:40 p.m. on the night of the murders.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Bishop5.jpg
Now THIS is scary! :eek:
dynoguy88 03-19-2012, 02:56 PM MICHAELA JOY GARECHT:
This is Mexican Super, which used to be called Rainbow Market, where Michaela was kidnapped on November 19, 1988 in the parking lot. The building is located at 32575 Mission Blvd in Hayward, California.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Michaela1.jpg
Zooming in to the entrance of the building, I put in all the areas of interest in regards to where they were in the reenactment. Michaela and her friend Katrina parked their scooters right outside the door, very close to where the abductor's car was parked.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Michaela2.jpg
dks64 03-22-2012, 12:45 AM Thank You!
dynoguy88 04-23-2012, 05:09 PM JESSE JAMES HOLLYWOOD / NICK MARKOWITZ:
This is the corner of Platt Avenue and Ingomar Street in West Hills, California where Hollywood and his goons beat Nick and threw him in their van on August 6, 2000.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Nick1.jpg
In a case of incredible insanely bad timing, Nick's uncle and cousin had just pulled up to the side of the street and asked him if he'd like a ride home. Nick said, "no thanks," since he was just a couple blocks from home. The family members drove off and Nick was kidnapped less than a minute later.
Nick's murder site was in the Goleta Hills above Santa Barbara. His father Jeff carved this just above where Nick was slain.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Nick2.jpg
TheCafeDisco 04-23-2012, 09:00 PM wow! Just read the whole thread! Great job everyone!
dynoguy88 05-06-2012, 11:44 PM I 70 KILLER:
April 8, 1992, Indianapolis, Ind. – Victim Robin Fuldauer, age 26, was working at a Payless shoe store at 7235 Pendleton Pike. Fuldauer’s body was discovered in the store at about 2 p.m. A small amount of money was missing from the store.
Today, half the strip mall has been removed and it's now a Big K.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/70-1.jpg
April 11, 1992, Wichita, Kan. – Victims Patricia Magers, age 32, and Patricia Smith, 23, were working at the La Bridal shop, 4613 E. Kellogg. Their bodies were found in the store at about 6:30 p.m. Money was missing from the shop, along with some personal property belonging to one of the victims.
This is a huge strip mall. I have no idea where the bridal shop was and it has since gone out of business.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/70-2.jpg
April 27, 1992, Terre Haute, Ind.– Michael McCown, 40, was killed in his shop, Sylvia’s Ceramics, 2615 S. 3rd Street. His body was discovered by a customer at about 4:15 p.m. McCown was the only male victim in this series. Because of all the circumstances – including the fact that he wore his hair very long – police assessed that the killer, watching from outside, mistook McCown for a woman until he entered the store.
According to google maps, this is where the ceramics store is today. It's now called Mike's Market.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/70-3.jpg
May 3, 1992, St. Charles, Mo. – Nancy Kitzmiller, age 24, a graduate of Fort Zumwalt High School and Oklahoma State University was found by customers in the back room of Boot Village, 2079 Zumbehl Road in Bogey Hills Plaza, at about 2:30 p.m. Cash was missing from the store.
This is the strip mall today. No clue on where Boot Village used to be.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/70-4.jpg
May 7, 1992, Raytown, Mo.– Sarah Blessing, age 37, was killed at the Store of Many Colors, 11573 E. 63rd Street at about 6:30 p.m. A small amount of money was missing from the register.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/70-5.jpg
hostedbyrobertstack 05-17-2012, 09:41 AM I just posted this last night in the Kathy Hobbs thread, but wanted to repost here:
Okay, I FINALLY am 100% positive I found Kathy Hobbs apartment and the other key point from the segment. I was re-watching the segment, and when they show the tv news segment, I tried to listen as closely as I could to the background noise. I heard something that said "mesa" I looked in the area and desert inn and maryland and sure enough, I found a road a couple of blocks away that was "silver mesa." I street viewed it and voila, this is it! If you look at the apartments, the windows in particular, and compare to the segment, this is it. At the end of the cul-de-sac of apartments, it looks as if there is a pool if you google earth it. Also, the second image, which is the alley right behind the apartments, is where kathy was filmed walking in the back alley. If you note in the segment, there is a "cement wall" on one side of the alley and the backs of apartments on the other. See below!
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/hobbsapt1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/stupidbicyclist/hobbsapt2.jpg
dynoguy88 06-05-2012, 03:10 PM DEBBIE WOLFE:
These pictures were taken in 2010 by Dr. Maurice Godwin. His links are at the bottom.
Cumberland County, NC. Although it's overgrown now with trees and brush, this was the road that you would travel on to Debbie's cabin from the main road -
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Debbie3.jpg
A general overview of the cabin from the front yard -
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Debbie4.jpg
Debbie's cabin today -
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Debbie1.jpg
And finally the pond behind Debbie's cabin where her body was found. This is what it looked like in 1985. There's no current photo of it included in the links -
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Debbie2.jpg
http://www.investigativepsych.com/murderofdebbiewolfe.html
http://www.investigativepsych.com/debbiewolfecase.htm
MegtheEgg86 07-16-2012, 05:22 PM Here is the Ralph Probst home:
MegtheEgg86 07-16-2012, 05:45 PM Roxann Jeeves' apartment complex and Holloman Rd:
MegtheEgg86 07-16-2012, 06:27 PM Some months ago I was researching Ed Baker and came across a property record that looks like might have been him judging from the date the house became the bank's, at 341 Bunker Hill Rd in Houston, TX:
http://www.city-data.com/harris-county/B/Bunker-Hill-Road-2.html
If so, then he was the owner of this home:
MegtheEgg86 07-16-2012, 06:39 PM Tanya Kopric's apartment building at 2933 Baltimore Avenue in Kansas City, MO. The other photos are of an apartment for rent in the building so you can have an idea of how her space kind of might have looked:
dynoguy88 10-17-2012, 01:32 AM Reviving this thread.
After doing some sleuthing through Google News Archive, I located the area where Hilda Roche's body was found. The woods behind Montclair Elementary School in Montclair, VA (about 9 miles from Hilda's home).
Google Maps won't let you view the school at street level so this is a bird's eye view through Bing Maps. How far into the woods Gregory Barker left her, I have no idea. But articles online say the body was just a "stone's throw" into the woods behind the school.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Hilda.jpg
dynoguy88 10-19-2012, 07:47 PM ANITA GREEN:
This is the front of Melvin Green's former office on 12432 Oxnard Street in North Hollywood, California. You can see the front door where Melvin waited for the hitman to follow Anita around the corner to the building parking lot before quickly going inside.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Anita.jpg
The back of the building where Anita was murdered in her car.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Anita2.jpg
WishfulDreamer 10-19-2012, 08:14 PM Is it just a coincidence that a red car is parked there in the google map shot? :eek:
1990 UM fan 10-20-2012, 04:56 AM Is it just a coincidence that a red car is parked there in the google map shot? :eek:
I know, right? Symbolic to say the least.
Hasho 10-21-2012, 01:38 PM Can I request Amy Billig and Gus Hoffman's location of disappearences pictures?
dynoguy88 10-21-2012, 04:55 PM AMY BILLIG:
This is the driveway leading to the Billig home (3605 Poinciana Avenue in Coconut Grove) but the house isn't visible from the road unfortunately.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/AmyB2.jpg
After leaving home on March 5, 1974, Amy walked about a block and a half down Poinciana Avenue. This shot shows you the route she took.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/AmyB3.jpg
Where Poinciana Avenue meets Main Highway is where she stuck out her thumb. Construction workers on the street that day verified seeing Amy hitchhiking at this intersection.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/AmyB4.jpg
Amy's destination, had she made it, was at her father's gallery called 'Dimensions,' at 3195 Commodore Plaza. Today, the gallery is an Indian restaurant.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/AmyB1.jpg
Hasho 10-25-2012, 06:44 PM Wow, thanks! Amy Billig-case is one of my pet cases. I felt so bad for her mother.
dynoguy88 10-25-2012, 07:11 PM Wow, thanks! Amy Billig-case is one of my pet cases. I felt so bad for her mother.
There's a ton of articles about the case in the google news archive from the 70's and 80's. I was surprised to learn that in the 3 months that followed Amy's disappearance, the Billig's got close to a hundred prank phone calls in response to the missing person posters that were displayed throughout the city. One included an extortion attempt for $30,000 from twin 16 year old boys, who had no criminal record of their own. They had no idea where Amy was, they just thought they would try to get some "easy" cash.
I don't know how Amy's mother could have survived those first couple of months, much less the decades that followed, without going crazy.
I guess people were just as cruel 40 years ago as they can be today.
Hasho 10-27-2012, 08:03 PM Did you hear about that man who harassed the Billig's for several years after Amy's disappearance?
WishfulDreamer 10-27-2012, 11:18 PM Did you hear about that man who harassed the Billig's for several years after Amy's disappearance?
I think there is an extensive thread here where it's spoken about. I read the book co-written by Amy's mother and it goes into that topic. What a sick man! If I remember correctly, his wife apologized to Mrs. Billig at the trial.
dks64 10-28-2012, 12:52 PM I still love this thread. Thank you to all the people who keep contributing.
dynoguy88 10-28-2012, 03:27 PM FRANKLIN FLOYD:
This is Indian Meridian Elementary School in Choctaw, Oklahoma where Floyd kidnapped Michael Hughes and his principle on September 12, 1994.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/FFloyd.jpg
dynoguy88 11-07-2012, 04:38 PM RALPH PROBST:
Ralph's house at 8802 S. Corcoran in Hometown, Illinois.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Ralph1.jpg
Ralph was shot to death through his kitchen window on April 10, 1967. The Probst family had a common driveway with their next door neighbor. I drew an arrow to the kitchen window where the shooting happened.
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Ralph3.jpg
Unsolved Mysteries also filmed the reenactment here as all the neighboring homes match up to what we saw in the segment.
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