As this case interests me most of all (it had enough emotional impact on me to make me a fan of UM again) and the disturbing circumstances surrounding it as well as the fact that it remains unsolved, I'd love if we could try to build a (psychological or otherwise) profile of her abductor(s).

If we are to take the idea that her abductor and probable murderer is someone we haven't heard of (Not Rush or Chaney, not McDuff, etc) than that means her abductor is someone who may have committed other crimes, perhaps not in Missouri but even in other states.

We know there was the two other women in MO prior to Angela's abduction, similar cases--Cheryl Kenny and Trudy Darby. Darby was ultimately found to be the work of the brothers Jesse Rush and Marvin Chaney, but Kenny's case remains unsolved.

I think a key to finding a serial killer or abductor or rapist is uncovering their own psychological profile. I'm not the best in psychology but I'm sure some here are, so if we could work up a profile of this guy it'd be helpful and at the very least, it'd be food for thought and good intellectual exercise.

As this case interests me most of all (it had enough emotional impact on me to make me a fan of UM again) and the disturbing circumstances surrounding it as well as the fact that it remains unsolved, I'd love if we could try to build a (psychological or otherwise) profile of her abductor(s).

If we are to take the idea that her abductor and probable murderer is someone we haven't heard of (Not Rush or Chaney, not McDuff, etc) than that means her abductor is someone who may have committed other crimes, perhaps not in Missouri but even in other states.

We know there was the two other women in MO prior to Angela's abduction, similar cases--Cheryl Kenny and Trudy Darby. Darby was ultimately found to be the work of the brothers Jesse Rush and Marvin Chaney, but Kenny's case remains unsolved.

I think a key to finding a serial killer or abductor or rapist is uncovering their own psychological profile. I'm not the best in psychology but I'm sure some here are, so if we could work up a profile of this guy it'd be helpful and at the very least, it'd be food for thought and good intellectual exercise.


I mentioned the possibility of Larry Hall, a guy who is in prison in North Carolina for kidnapping but is rumored to have committed a number of murders in several midwest states including Missouri.

He was most definitely in the area at the time of the abducition. I couldn't really interest anyone in the theory in the main thread though, lol.

I mentioned the possibility of Larry Hall, a guy who is in prison in North Carolina for kidnapping but is rumored to have committed a number of murders in several midwest states including Missouri.

He was most definitely in the area at the time of the abducition. I couldn't really interest anyone in the theory in the main thread though, lol.

But does he look like the guy Rob described?

But does he look like the guy Rob described?

Honestly I've never seen a picture, just know the story. He supposedly traveled across the country visiting Civil War reinactments, and the victims he targeted were more akin to Angela Hammond than those of Kenneth McDuff.

Only thing that doesn't fit is I'm not sure he ever owned a truck like the one seen.

I've always wondered if the abductor might have stole the truck or found it abandoned or something to that effect recent to the actual kidnapping and immediately destroyed it afterwords.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/slasherman1971/rob.jpg

Honestly I've never seen a picture, just know the story. He supposedly traveled across the country visiting Civil War reinactments, and the victims he targeted were more akin to Angela Hammond than those of Kenneth McDuff.

Only thing that doesn't fit is I'm not sure he ever owned a truck like the one seen.

http://www.thebadge.us/.a/6a00d8341cb81853ef0120a4fc4720970b-pi

The bearded, dirty looking man on the right is Larry Hall.

The remains of 27-year-old Eulalia Mylia Chavez, or "Lolly" as her friends knew her, are not actually buried. Instead, they are stored in archival box 07-14 at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, where her skeleton is kept for anthropological study. No one was ever charged with her murder.

But Chavez, who was found on Sept. 6, 1986, but not identified until an FBI fingerprint match in January 2008, has not been forgotten.

Gary Hall of Wabash, Ind., believes his twin-brother Larry D. Hall, a suspected serial killer doing life in a Butner, N.C., federal psychiatric prison, has been questioned recently by investigators about Chavez and several other young women from the Midwest who disappeared or were murdered in the late 1980s to early 1990s.

Gary Hall said that in July he traveled to the Federal Correctional Complex at Butner where police investigators from Indianapolis met with his brother. Gary Hall said he was not present during the questioning but was "pretty sure" that Chavez came up during the interview. It was at least the second time this year that Larry Hall, 46, a former janitor, has been questioned by police.

Capt. Steve Johnson of the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department, said, "Investigator Pat Walters is in close contact with a detective from an Indiana homicide squad who has been in the process of interviewing a suspect. This suspect has given some information regarding the Summerfield murder."

Johnson said he could not discuss what was said by the suspect, who he declined to name.

Police attention was refocused on Larry Hall after a Playboy magazine article last year about a convicted drug dealer who agreed in 1998 to be placed in a maximum security prison for the purpose of befriending Larry Hall and enticing him to reveal where he buried Tricia Reitler of Olmstead Township, a community in Northeast Ohio. The 19-year-old disappeared in 1993 from the campus of Indiana Wesleyan University near Marion, Ind., when she took a break from writing a term paper to walk to a store for a can of root beer. Her clothes were found near the market.

According to a Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper article, Larry Hall was arrested a year later at Indiana Wesleyan, where Reitler had been a student. In his van, police found rope, a mask and several newspaper articles about Reitler. The story about his arrest stated that he confessed to killing Reitler, but his confession was not believed and he was released by local police.

In November 1994, he was charged with kidnapping 15-year-old Jessica Roach as she was riding her bicycle in a rural area near Georgetown, Ill., close to the Indiana border. Her decomposed remains were found in an Indiana cornfield, and Hall was arrested a few months after Roach disappeared when police near her hometown received complaints from other young girls that Larry Hall had been stalking them.

Larry Hall was convicted in federal court of kidnapping that resulted in death and was given life in prison. He killed Roach by sitting her against a tree and placing two belts linked together against her throat and then stepping behind the tree and pulling on both ends. A police report states he strangled her in this manner so he would not have to look at her face as she died.

At this time, according to news articles, Larry Hall was suspected of killing at least seven other young women and was the target of state and federal investigators. His confession in the Roach case contained admissions in the Reitler murder. But he was never charged and interest in him cooled until last year when the Playboy article brought national attention to the Reitler murder. However, he still has not been charged in her death.

Evidence during Larry Hall's 1995 trial for kidnapping Roach showed connections to Illinois. A check of the evidence file inventory revealed that a large map of Illinois was found in the van he was driving when he was arrested in the Roach case. Interviews with her family members following the identification of Chavez revealed that she was a chronic runaway who often hitchhiked across the country.

Hall left Roach's remains in a cornfield, which is the same type of field Chavez's body was found.

Also like Chavez, Roach was ligature strangled. Unlike Chavez, whose pelvic area was brutally mutilated, no such mutilation could be determined in the Roach case because her remains were skeletonized and had been broken up by a farm combine.

The remains of Chavez were exhumed in June 2007 after a News-Democrat reporter suggested to St. Clair County Coroner Rick Stone that new methods in sculpting a likeness in clay from a skull might lead to an identification.

As part of the exhumation process, police resubmitted her fingerprints and, with newer technology, Chavez was identified. Her family donated her remains to the anthropology department at the University of Tennessee. Evidence in his trial showed that Larry Hall traveled widely to attend Civil War and other military re-enactments, but not until 1989, three years after Chavez was murdered. However, beginning in the early 1980s he dressed like a "greaser" and traveled widely in the Midwest including Illinois to attend car shows, Gary Hall said.

"He wandered all over the Midwest, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio. There were many times when he took off and we had no idea where he was," Gary Hall said.

Given a description of Chavez, who was about 5 feet, 4 inches, 100-110 pounds with black hair, Gary Hall said, "I'll just say it fits the profile of a lot of his victims. ... He preferred darker hair with a small, athletic build. That's what I've been told since clear back when he first got arrested."

"He would go to these Civil War re-enactments and women around there started popping up dead," said former U.S. attorney Lawrence Beaumont, who prosecuted Larry Hall in U.S. District Court in Urbana for the kidnapping of Roach in Georgetown, a day after a Revolutionary War re-enactment in a nearby state park.

"He could be connected to a number of cases in the Midwest," Beaumont said.

Gary Hall said he has cooperated with police and wants the murder cases solved for the sake of the victims' families.

"Every one of them breaks my heart," he said, "All we can do is get closure for the families and try to find the answers that could bring the victims home. It's not so much to impose any more punishment on Larry. He's already doing life without parole."

http://www.newsroom-sheriff.us/2009/08/does-serial-killer-hold-key-to-23-year-old-murder-mystery-in-summerfield.html

Note the bolded. Angela Hammond had brown hair, was between 4'11 and 5'0'' tall and weighed around 120 lbs. She fits the description.

http://www.thebadge.us/.a/6a00d8341cb81853ef0120a4fc4720970b-pi

The bearded, dirty looking man on the right is Larry Hall.

The remains of 27-year-old Eulalia Mylia Chavez, or "Lolly" as her friends knew her, are not actually buried. Instead, they are stored in archival box 07-14 at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, where her skeleton is kept for anthropological study. No one was ever charged with her murder.

But Chavez, who was found on Sept. 6, 1986, but not identified until an FBI fingerprint match in January 2008, has not been forgotten.

Gary Hall of Wabash, Ind., believes his twin-brother Larry D. Hall, a suspected serial killer doing life in a Butner, N.C., federal psychiatric prison, has been questioned recently by investigators about Chavez and several other young women from the Midwest who disappeared or were murdered in the late 1980s to early 1990s.

Gary Hall said that in July he traveled to the Federal Correctional Complex at Butner where police investigators from Indianapolis met with his brother. Gary Hall said he was not present during the questioning but was "pretty sure" that Chavez came up during the interview. It was at least the second time this year that Larry Hall, 46, a former janitor, has been questioned by police.

Capt. Steve Johnson of the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department, said, "Investigator Pat Walters is in close contact with a detective from an Indiana homicide squad who has been in the process of interviewing a suspect. This suspect has given some information regarding the Summerfield murder."

Johnson said he could not discuss what was said by the suspect, who he declined to name.

Police attention was refocused on Larry Hall after a Playboy magazine article last year about a convicted drug dealer who agreed in 1998 to be placed in a maximum security prison for the purpose of befriending Larry Hall and enticing him to reveal where he buried Tricia Reitler of Olmstead Township, a community in Northeast Ohio. The 19-year-old disappeared in 1993 from the campus of Indiana Wesleyan University near Marion, Ind., when she took a break from writing a term paper to walk to a store for a can of root beer. Her clothes were found near the market.

According to a Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper article, Larry Hall was arrested a year later at Indiana Wesleyan, where Reitler had been a student. In his van, police found rope, a mask and several newspaper articles about Reitler. The story about his arrest stated that he confessed to killing Reitler, but his confession was not believed and he was released by local police.

In November 1994, he was charged with kidnapping 15-year-old Jessica Roach as she was riding her bicycle in a rural area near Georgetown, Ill., close to the Indiana border. Her decomposed remains were found in an Indiana cornfield, and Hall was arrested a few months after Roach disappeared when police near her hometown received complaints from other young girls that Larry Hall had been stalking them.

Larry Hall was convicted in federal court of kidnapping that resulted in death and was given life in prison. He killed Roach by sitting her against a tree and placing two belts linked together against her throat and then stepping behind the tree and pulling on both ends. A police report states he strangled her in this manner so he would not have to look at her face as she died.

At this time, according to news articles, Larry Hall was suspected of killing at least seven other young women and was the target of state and federal investigators. His confession in the Roach case contained admissions in the Reitler murder. But he was never charged and interest in him cooled until last year when the Playboy article brought national attention to the Reitler murder. However, he still has not been charged in her death.

Evidence during Larry Hall's 1995 trial for kidnapping Roach showed connections to Illinois. A check of the evidence file inventory revealed that a large map of Illinois was found in the van he was driving when he was arrested in the Roach case. Interviews with her family members following the identification of Chavez revealed that she was a chronic runaway who often hitchhiked across the country.

Hall left Roach's remains in a cornfield, which is the same type of field Chavez's body was found.

Also like Chavez, Roach was ligature strangled. Unlike Chavez, whose pelvic area was brutally mutilated, no such mutilation could be determined in the Roach case because her remains were skeletonized and had been broken up by a farm combine.

The remains of Chavez were exhumed in June 2007 after a News-Democrat reporter suggested to St. Clair County Coroner Rick Stone that new methods in sculpting a likeness in clay from a skull might lead to an identification.

As part of the exhumation process, police resubmitted her fingerprints and, with newer technology, Chavez was identified. Her family donated her remains to the anthropology department at the University of Tennessee. Evidence in his trial showed that Larry Hall traveled widely to attend Civil War and other military re-enactments, but not until 1989, three years after Chavez was murdered. However, beginning in the early 1980s he dressed like a "greaser" and traveled widely in the Midwest including Illinois to attend car shows, Gary Hall said.

"He wandered all over the Midwest, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio. There were many times when he took off and we had no idea where he was," Gary Hall said.

Given a description of Chavez, who was about 5 feet, 4 inches, 100-110 pounds with black hair, Gary Hall said, "I'll just say it fits the profile of a lot of his victims. ... He preferred darker hair with a small, athletic build. That's what I've been told since clear back when he first got arrested."

"He would go to these Civil War re-enactments and women around there started popping up dead," said former U.S. attorney Lawrence Beaumont, who prosecuted Larry Hall in U.S. District Court in Urbana for the kidnapping of Roach in Georgetown, a day after a Revolutionary War re-enactment in a nearby state park.

"He could be connected to a number of cases in the Midwest," Beaumont said.

Gary Hall said he has cooperated with police and wants the murder cases solved for the sake of the victims' families.

"Every one of them breaks my heart," he said, "All we can do is get closure for the families and try to find the answers that could bring the victims home. It's not so much to impose any more punishment on Larry. He's already doing life without parole."

http://www.newsroom-sheriff.us/2009/08/does-serial-killer-hold-key-to-23-year-old-murder-mystery-in-summerfield.html

Note the bolded. Angela Hammond had brown hair, was between 4'11 and 5'0'' tall and weighed around 120 lbs. She fits the description.

Good find, and the details in the article jibe with the things I found in the past.

I've always thought he was a definite possibility. And looking at that description sounds even more likely.

Good find, and the details in the article jibe with the things I found in the past.

I've always thought he was a definite possibility. And looking at that description sounds even more likely.
This guy is definatley someone they should be checking into

As this case interests me most of all (it had enough emotional impact on me to make me a fan of UM again) and the disturbing circumstances surrounding it as well as the fact that it remains unsolved, I'd love if we could try to build a (psychological or otherwise) profile of her abductor(s).

If we are to take the idea that her abductor and probable murderer is someone we haven't heard of (Not Rush or Chaney, not McDuff, etc) than that means her abductor is someone who may have committed other crimes, perhaps not in Missouri but even in other states.

We know there was the two other women in MO prior to Angela's abduction, similar cases--Cheryl Kenny and Trudy Darby. Darby was ultimately found to be the work of the brothers Jesse Rush and Marvin Chaney, but Kenny's case remains unsolved.


I think a key to finding a serial killer or abductor or rapist is uncovering their own psychological profile. I'm not the best in psychology but I'm sure some here are, so if we could work up a profile of this guy it'd be helpful and at the very least, it'd be food for thought and good intellectual exercise.

Building a profile is actually not that hard here. Simply look at other similar cases that have been solved.
Look at Kenneth Mcduff. He took Collen Reed in the exact same manner Anglea was taken. Mcduff had help ofcouse from his accomplice but it was same type of brazzen abduction.
Look at Dayle Wanye Eaton. Same deal here.
Rush and Chaney also. They grabbed Trudy Darby just like Angela was grabbed.
Look into these men and there is your profile of the man that took Angela Hammond

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/slasherman1971/rob.jpg

I see you've had some college....

http://www.thebadge.us/.a/6a00d8341cb81853ef0120a4fc4720970b-pi

The bearded, dirty looking man on the right is Larry Hall.

The remains of 27-year-old Eulalia Mylia Chavez, or "Lolly" as her friends knew her, are not actually buried. Instead, they are stored in archival box 07-14 at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, where her skeleton is kept for anthropological study. No one was ever charged with her murder.

But Chavez, who was found on Sept. 6, 1986, but not identified until an FBI fingerprint match in January 2008, has not been forgotten.

Gary Hall of Wabash, Ind., believes his twin-brother Larry D. Hall, a suspected serial killer doing life in a Butner, N.C., federal psychiatric prison, has been questioned recently by investigators about Chavez and several other young women from the Midwest who disappeared or were murdered in the late 1980s to early 1990s.

Gary Hall said that in July he traveled to the Federal Correctional Complex at Butner where police investigators from Indianapolis met with his brother. Gary Hall said he was not present during the questioning but was "pretty sure" that Chavez came up during the interview. It was at least the second time this year that Larry Hall, 46, a former janitor, has been questioned by police.

Capt. Steve Johnson of the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department, said, "Investigator Pat Walters is in close contact with a detective from an Indiana homicide squad who has been in the process of interviewing a suspect. This suspect has given some information regarding the Summerfield murder."

Johnson said he could not discuss what was said by the suspect, who he declined to name.

Police attention was refocused on Larry Hall after a Playboy magazine article last year about a convicted drug dealer who agreed in 1998 to be placed in a maximum security prison for the purpose of befriending Larry Hall and enticing him to reveal where he buried Tricia Reitler of Olmstead Township, a community in Northeast Ohio. The 19-year-old disappeared in 1993 from the campus of Indiana Wesleyan University near Marion, Ind., when she took a break from writing a term paper to walk to a store for a can of root beer. Her clothes were found near the market.

According to a Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper article, Larry Hall was arrested a year later at Indiana Wesleyan, where Reitler had been a student. In his van, police found rope, a mask and several newspaper articles about Reitler. The story about his arrest stated that he confessed to killing Reitler, but his confession was not believed and he was released by local police.

In November 1994, he was charged with kidnapping 15-year-old Jessica Roach as she was riding her bicycle in a rural area near Georgetown, Ill., close to the Indiana border. Her decomposed remains were found in an Indiana cornfield, and Hall was arrested a few months after Roach disappeared when police near her hometown received complaints from other young girls that Larry Hall had been stalking them.

Larry Hall was convicted in federal court of kidnapping that resulted in death and was given life in prison. He killed Roach by sitting her against a tree and placing two belts linked together against her throat and then stepping behind the tree and pulling on both ends. A police report states he strangled her in this manner so he would not have to look at her face as she died.

At this time, according to news articles, Larry Hall was suspected of killing at least seven other young women and was the target of state and federal investigators. His confession in the Roach case contained admissions in the Reitler murder. But he was never charged and interest in him cooled until last year when the Playboy article brought national attention to the Reitler murder. However, he still has not been charged in her death.

Evidence during Larry Hall's 1995 trial for kidnapping Roach showed connections to Illinois. A check of the evidence file inventory revealed that a large map of Illinois was found in the van he was driving when he was arrested in the Roach case. Interviews with her family members following the identification of Chavez revealed that she was a chronic runaway who often hitchhiked across the country.

Hall left Roach's remains in a cornfield, which is the same type of field Chavez's body was found.

Also like Chavez, Roach was ligature strangled. Unlike Chavez, whose pelvic area was brutally mutilated, no such mutilation could be determined in the Roach case because her remains were skeletonized and had been broken up by a farm combine.

The remains of Chavez were exhumed in June 2007 after a News-Democrat reporter suggested to St. Clair County Coroner Rick Stone that new methods in sculpting a likeness in clay from a skull might lead to an identification.

As part of the exhumation process, police resubmitted her fingerprints and, with newer technology, Chavez was identified. Her family donated her remains to the anthropology department at the University of Tennessee. Evidence in his trial showed that Larry Hall traveled widely to attend Civil War and other military re-enactments, but not until 1989, three years after Chavez was murdered. However, beginning in the early 1980s he dressed like a "greaser" and traveled widely in the Midwest including Illinois to attend car shows, Gary Hall said.

"He wandered all over the Midwest, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio. There were many times when he took off and we had no idea where he was," Gary Hall said.

Given a description of Chavez, who was about 5 feet, 4 inches, 100-110 pounds with black hair, Gary Hall said, "I'll just say it fits the profile of a lot of his victims. ... He preferred darker hair with a small, athletic build. That's what I've been told since clear back when he first got arrested."

"He would go to these Civil War re-enactments and women around there started popping up dead," said former U.S. attorney Lawrence Beaumont, who prosecuted Larry Hall in U.S. District Court in Urbana for the kidnapping of Roach in Georgetown, a day after a Revolutionary War re-enactment in a nearby state park.

"He could be connected to a number of cases in the Midwest," Beaumont said.

Gary Hall said he has cooperated with police and wants the murder cases solved for the sake of the victims' families.

"Every one of them breaks my heart," he said, "All we can do is get closure for the families and try to find the answers that could bring the victims home. It's not so much to impose any more punishment on Larry. He's already doing life without parole."

http://www.newsroom-sheriff.us/2009/08/does-serial-killer-hold-key-to-23-year-old-murder-mystery-in-summerfield.html

Note the bolded. Angela Hammond had brown hair, was between 4'11 and 5'0'' tall and weighed around 120 lbs. She fits the description.


Wow, now if only they could connect the truck - everything would fit together.

Wow, now if only they could connect the truck - everything would fit together.

I wonder if there's any way to find out if there were any Revolutionary War or Civil War re-enactments done in Missouri within say, a month before and after April 4th, 1991.

I wonder if there's any way to find out if there were any Revolutionary War or Civil War re-enactments done in Missouri within say, a month before and after April 4th, 1991.

I'm betting yes. But knowing what to type in could be tricky.

And Hall committed a murder not to far from Clinton two months prior to Angela's abduction if I'm not mistaken.

One problem with Hall--
I was reading excerpts of a book on him, and while he did indeed travel to and fro throughout the midwest from 1989 to 1993, he drove a Dodge Van.
Also, he seemed (from what I've read so far) to stalk his victims a little bit before taking them. And he sometimes had retained of their personal effects.

He seems to have been in Indiana in the Spring of 1991.

I see you've had some college....

:quest:

And who is the person in those pictures, anyhow?

:quest:

And who is the person in those pictures, anyhow?

Angela's boyfriend Rob who is the guy that gave the police the story about the abductor in the green truck (he claims he was on the phone with her when she was abducted). Many are suspicious of him as being the killer for obvious reasons.

OK I gotcha, thanx. Long time since I have watched UM LOL! But I was also wondering what the reference to having some college meant....

Angela's boyfriend Rob who is the guy that gave the police the story about the abductor in the green truck (he claims he was on the phone with her when she was abducted). Many are suspicious of him as being the killer for obvious reasons.

I don't think he's a viable suspect anymore. Law enforcement agencies are quick to either pin a dissapearance or death on suicide or a relative if they can help it, they must have pretty good evidence it wasn't Rob.

We don't know all the facts but my gut feeling has always been this guy was innocent and his story was true.

One problem with Hall--
I was reading excerpts of a book on him, and while he did indeed travel to and fro throughout the midwest from 1989 to 1993, he drove a Dodge Van.
Also, he seemed (from what I've read so far) to stalk his victims a little bit before taking them. And he sometimes had retained of their personal effects.

He seems to have been in Indiana in the Spring of 1991.

Indiana isn't far from Missouri, that could be crossed relatively quick.

However the vehicle doesn't quite fit I agree with that.

Indiana isn't far from Missouri, that could be crossed relatively quick.

However the vehicle doesn't quite fit I agree with that.

One part of the book has a picture of a barn where Hall is said to have worked on his "vehicles", vehicles being plural, but the other vehicles are not mentioned. One thing about Hall is he seems to have something come over him when he killed; he could barely remember some of his murders. That would explain the behavior of Angela's abductor: A disorganized mind, one minute polite and seemingly not worried about trouble (by talking to his 'prey' while she was on the phone) and out of the blue grabbing her.

The book on Hall is a very interesting insight. Hall has just an IQ of 82--I believe whoever Angela's abductor is, he's very close in profile to Hall; Average IQ probably suffering from some kind of dissociative disorder.

OK I gotcha, thanx. Long time since I have watched UM LOL! But I was also wondering what the reference to having some college meant....

Obviously you don't understand sarcasm.

Only small-minded people would think Rob is ACTUALLY guilty of the crime.

Obviously you don't understand sarcasm.

Only small-minded people would think Rob is ACTUALLY guilty of the crime.

Can we please not go into that debate again?
Please? Just ignore the people who bring up that old canard.

Can we please not go into that debate again?
Please? Just ignore the people who bring up that old canard.

That's right, attack the defender.

Obviously you don't understand sarcasm.

Yes, I am familiar with it, and I understand in this case now that I realize who was in the pictures.

That's right, attack the defender.

No, I wasn't attacking you, it's just if you say something like the "Rob did it" crowd are small minded people, that'll just goad the Rob did it guy into a response against you, and then the thread will begin to go around in circles. Look at the other fanatical "Rob did it" guy--I forget his username--he basically derailed much of the main thread because of his insistence that Rob did it and other people countering him and he then countering them.

I see you've had some college....
hahaha, funny and good one.
Obviously you don't understand sarcasm. Only small-minded people would think Rob is ACTUALLY guilty of the crime.
Mariposal, it was a joke. the college statement was made to make fun of the poster's intelligence. Slasherman is one of those people who will say that Rob did it even if there's no evidence showing it. And CuriousMind, i wont get into the Rob being the killer. You and MANY people know what i think about Rob and this crime and if you want to know i will get into it later.

NOW for the thread, a profile of the killer. For some reason, i keep thinking that the killer is an out of towner and likely hid the body in either his yard or his town. 2nd, i think the killer is likely a loner with not much family and friends. i think this guy may have just taken Angela as a sick opportunity. i wouldnt be surprised if he's still alive or if he's in jail or prison.

you guys should get the book Urges: A Chronicle of Serial Killer Larry Hall. Its very good and might provide insight into the type of man we're looking for in Angie's case.

Interestingly, Larry Hall admitted (while being questioned in 1994) to having an interest in older model vehicles.

He also was very careful. He loved watching true crime shows like America's Most Wanted. He would go into diassociative states prior to killing and thus wouldn't remember killing his victims; or it would feel like a dream.

He sometimes would find articles from his victim's clothing or effects, but not know how they got there. Some he kept; Other victims' effects he threw out and stll others he dumped in public toilets. He also was very keen on forensics and investigators did a complete sweep of his vehicle and yet could only find his prints. He also, despite his low IQ (90 IQ), knew when he was in trouble: One day he was stalking two girls, with the intent of killing them, but they got away. He realized they had noticed his license plate and he made a note on a note pad saying, "change license plate."

He also knew backroads of areas where he'd kill his victims, in states all over the Midwest including Indiana, Missouri and Wisconsin; Even as far East as Pennsylvania. Usually, he would be attracted to a location by a re-enactment; He was a fanatical Revolutionary and Civil War re-enactor. He often wore a beard, mustache, or some combination to fit the Civil War soldier look, and his hair was described by potential victims who got away as being "wild", as if someone had taken off a cap; It was longish. Friends of his were surprised at how well he knew dark country back roads. He was a quiet, but seemingly nice person to those who knew him; Sometimes, however, quick to anger. If you talked to him casually, you wouldn't think he was crazy--Only further, detailed examination would bring that fact out.

He would sometimes briefly talk to his victims before abducting them, or wave. He was very much a stalker--His surviving potential victims recalled him driving slowly behind or alongside them in a very creepy manner.

He kept maps of the areas where he picked up and dumped some of his victims and would mark the areas down, and usually became well acquainted with the area before choosing his victim, knowing any possible exit/escape route. He didn't know any of them personally or stalk the victims for any prolonged period, but instead, chose quickly them if opportunity knocked. He would sometimes, with some but not all victims, keep things which reminded him of them. He would sometimes write cryptic notes to himself which would have his victim's first name, or would write the name of an area near where the victim would be discovered.

His victims usually had dark hair, short-medium height, and aged between 14 and 23 years of age. All were women. All of his crimes were sexual in nature in that he raped and murdered them.

Obviously you don't understand sarcasm.

Only small-minded people would think Rob is ACTUALLY guilty of the crime.

Really?
"Small-minded people?"
Hmmm...
Well...only "small-minded people" generalize when discussing the views of people they disagree w/.

This case was a disaster from go. Profiling a potential killer based on a secondhand description would be impractical and largely a waste of time
Unfortunately the only solution to this case will be a confession or finding remains.

Edited the title so some get the point.

Really?
"Small-minded people?"
Hmmm...
Well...only "small-minded people" generalize when discussing the views of people they disagree w/.

This case was a disaster from go. Profiling a potential killer based on a secondhand description would be impractical and largely a waste of time
Unfortunately the only solution to this case will be a confession or finding remains.

Yeah, since the entire police force proved he was innocent, right?

Yeah, since the entire police force proved he was innocent, right?

Really?
How did they do that?

Really?
How did they do that?

He was cleared as a suspect after a week.

It's pretty useless to have a thread where the OP tells other people what he/she wants posted in it. I thought was the why there were blogs. To post what you want to hear/read and not to get input from anybody else.

Although I dont think that Rob had anything to do with Angela's dissapearance I think its way out of line to try and dis allow people with alternate theories to post. Anything is possible and with the lack of evidence in this case I dont think we can totally rule out anything.

Because no matter what you tell the Rob Did It crowd, they won't even compromise on a single point. You could tell them anything and they'll still shout "but he did it" and so the conversation goes in circles with the same few people until it stands still. Thus, having them in the conversation only impedes it.

Because no matter what you tell the Rob Did It crowd, they won't even compromise on a single point. You could tell them anything and they'll still shout "but he did it" and so the conversation goes in circles with the same few people until it stands still. Thus, having them in the conversation only impedes it.
agreed Curious. I have said that he didnt have the time to do this and he didnt. add to it, for a young man to kill his girlfriend and not leave ONE single clue and (of course) not have the body found would be amazing, while Rob's story doesnt sound great it CAN happen.
Profiling a potential killer based on a secondhand description would be impractical and largely a waste of time
Unfortunately the only solution to this case will be a confession or finding remains.
i agree with you on the unfortunately part and i also think it will be hard to profile a guy who we dont see, but we are only guessing here. as for the case needed a confession or finding the remains, i agree.
Although I dont think that Rob had anything to do with Angela's dissapearance I think its way out of line to try and dis allow people with alternate theories to post. Anything is possible and with the lack of evidence in this case I dont think we can totally rule out anything.
i could agree with this IF the people who say Rob did it would come up with GOOD stuff to show that he did it, but most cant. One poster said that he damaged his transmission on purpose (yeah right). i just cant see how he had the time to do this plus did such a good job at killing his girlfriend and lying to the police.
It's pretty useless to have a thread where the OP tells other people what he/she wants posted in it. I thought was the why there were blogs. To post what you want to hear/read and not to get input from anybody else.
again, i would agree if they came up with good reasons to why they think he did it and how he had the time, i just cant see it.

Rob Did It! :wave:

Rob did do it. Obviously he had the knowledge to avoid leaving forensic evidence, as he was well-versed on the subject. He had the money to pay off a mechanic for the transmission story. Rob did it.

Of course, I mean Rob(ert) Stack. Obviously he did it.

Kidding of course. But his candidacy as a suspect in Angela's disappearance is only slightly less credible than Rob's.

Larry Hall is in my mind a prime suspect, or at least VERY NEAR the profile of the person who abducted Angela. Hall has only been imprisoned for one murder; However, he is suspected of committing anywhere from 12 to 40 murders; Many cases which bear his signature remain unsolved. He was active as a serial killer in the Midwest from 1987 until his capture in 1994. He claims to be innocent, yet confessed to abducting, raping and killing 15 year old Jessica Roach in 1994.

Hall came from an abusive home and had a low average IQ along with anxiety and schizotypical disorders which prohibited him from socializing normally. He also suffered from a dependent personality and depended almost totally on his brother for his emotional survival--He was able to otherwise take care of himself and had a job and even friends.

Hall usually targeted brown haired women who were five to five feet inches tall and who were in their teens to late 20s. However, he had no exact type and targeted women only by opportunity, much like Marvin Chaney and Jesse Rush. He liked to visit Revolutionary, Civil War, and War of 1812 reenactments and/or battle sites, and many of his crimes took place around such sites or near the time of reenactment events. He was a sexual sadist and may have even went into fugue states during or leading up to his murders.

He also attended car and truck shows and held an avid interest in older model vehicles, as well as a keen interest in crime shows and kept some of his victim's personal effects; He also made dedicated effort to ensure that no forensic evidence remained of his crimes and was very successful at doing so--Many of the murders he is believed to have committed lack forensic evidence to totally tie him to them. He also stalked some of his victims for weeks without being seen or noticed by them before attempting to abduct them.

The only thing which goes against the idea of Hall being Angela's abductor is that he drove a van; A pick up is never mentioned in the book I read about him. As we know, a key factor in her abduction is the older model Ford pick up.

However, Hall had several vehicles which he worked on in a barn and may have even rented vehicles to use. The author of the book I read, Urges, raises the idea that Hall may have had help in committing his crimes. He also, in theory, could've loaned the vehicle from a friend--A friend who had no idea of what he intended to use it for.

I suggest you all read the book Urges: A Chronicle of Serial Killer Larry Hall.. Not only is it an interesting insight into this man's mind--Possibly the abductor of Angela Hammond, or at least a man VERY MUCH like her abductor--but also a great insight into the minds of serial killers in general; Such insight could not only help solve Angela's case, but the unsolved mysteries of many other people who disappeared suddenly and permanently and whose loss and whereabouts leaves their families.

An interesting thing to note from the book is that serial killers often commit their first murder at or after twenty five years of age, but are for years consumed with violent and/or sadistic, controlling fantasies involving women. A traumatic or significant life event often 'triggers' them to kill or begins the killing. The kind of abductor we're looking for would've been someone with such fantasies; He would've been a loner by nature (as Hall was) but had friends who had no idea of his other side (as Hall did); Would've had an interest or hobby of some kind (as Hall did) but likely no normal sexual relationships--No girlfriends or wives.

There are an estimated 30 or so serial killers active in this country at any moment in time. 30 or so men in this country could've abducted Angela on April 4th 1991. If time, research and thought is dedicated to researching every avenue involved in this case, and researching the Clinton, Missouri and surrounding areas of 1991, as well as other cases and probable suspects, I do not see why the list of probable suspects in her abduction could not at the very least be narrowed down.

There is the possibility, of course, that we are looking in the wrong direction:
Perhaps Angela's abductor was NOT a serial killer; Perhaps he was a drug fiend and abducted her while intoxicated, not realizing what he was doing until it was too late, or perhaps he was a one time offender; Perhaps her offender met with some accident or disease and died, or killed himself abducting Angela. Perhaps he was jailed not long after for rape, or for some other lesser crime--Maybe even something very petty and nonviolent.

Perhaps, too, he may have moved on to other states and thus crimes that are even slightly similar to Angela's should be looked into as possibly the work of the same man--Serial killers can change up their MO.

The point is, which I hope you will read, is that we are confronted with a several sad truths and a few frightening possibilities:

One, Angela Hammond has not been seen alive since Thursday, April 4th 1991, very nearly twenty years ago; For some, now a lifetime ago. She was several months pregnant, and was aged 20. She most likely never lived to see another day, much less age 21, 25, or beyond; She'd be 40 years old now, with a 20 year old child. Both she and her unborn child were most probably murdered and thus never had any chance to live a full life and in her child's case, no chance of any life, and she likely died in a state of terror, a fate no one deserves. That is an injustice of the highest kind, especially given the added fact that her abduction and probable murder remains unsolved and thus unavenged by the law.

Two, to this day her family remains without answers, without closure, without justice served in the theft of someone they loved; Every holiday goes by with her and her child missing at the table. Every year goes by without an answer to their questions, an ending to their grief. That, too, is an injustice.

Three, as her killer has not been found or named, there is the chance that he is in jail for some other crime, or even for some other murder. It is still an injustice that even if he is locked up and thus society is safe from him, he's not in jail for Angela's abduction, and thus her case would remain--to those who matter most, her family--officially unsolved.

Fourth , there is the chance that her abductor is still out there today, targeting harmless and defenseless women just like Angela. If he was indeed a serial killer, then his lust to live out the fantasies which drove him to abduct Angela and probably others will never wane; It will never cease; It never stops until a serial killer either dies or is captured.

To think that her abductor and probable murderer lives, breathes and walks free to not only enjoy life, something Angela Hammond and countless other victims of murderers were robbed of, but walks free to take life, is not just an injustice, but also a terror, for there are still even in our age of cell phones and fast communication many vulnerable and harmless women who, like Angela Hammond, everyday meet unknown and likely dark fates.

Because no matter what you tell the Rob Did It crowd, they won't even compromise on a single point. You could tell them anything and they'll still shout "but he did it" and so the conversation goes in circles with the same few people until it stands still. Thus, having them in the conversation only impedes it.

Exactly - they're worse then the 9/11 truthers.

Larry Hall is in my mind a prime suspect, or at least VERY NEAR the profile of the person who abducted Angela. Hall has only been imprisoned for one murder; However, he is suspected of committing anywhere from 12 to 40 murders; Many cases which bear his signature remain unsolved. He was active as a serial killer in the Midwest from 1987 until his capture in 1994. He claims to be innocent, yet confessed to abducting, raping and killing 15 year old Jessica Roach in 1994.

Hall came from an abusive home and had a low average IQ along with anxiety and schizotypical disorders which prohibited him from socializing normally. He also suffered from a dependent personality and depended almost totally on his brother for his emotional survival--He was able to otherwise take care of himself and had a job and even friends.

Hall usually targeted brown haired women who were five to five feet inches tall and who were in their teens to late 20s. However, he had no exact type and targeted women only by opportunity, much like Marvin Chaney and Jesse Rush. He liked to visit Revolutionary, Civil War, and War of 1812 reenactments and/or battle sites, and many of his crimes took place around such sites or near the time of reenactment events. He was a sexual sadist and may have even went into fugue states during or leading up to his murders.

He also attended car and truck shows and held an avid interest in older model vehicles, as well as a keen interest in crime shows and kept some of his victim's personal effects; He also made dedicated effort to ensure that no forensic evidence remained of his crimes and was very successful at doing so--Many of the murders he is believed to have committed lack forensic evidence to totally tie him to them. He also stalked some of his victims for weeks without being seen or noticed by them before attempting to abduct them.

The only thing which goes against the idea of Hall being Angela's abductor is that he drove a van; A pick up is never mentioned in the book I read about him. As we know, a key factor in her abduction is the older model Ford pick up.

However, Hall had several vehicles which he worked on in a barn and may have even rented vehicles to use. The author of the book I read, Urges, raises the idea that Hall may have had help in committing his crimes. He also, in theory, could've loaned the vehicle from a friend--A friend who had no idea of what he intended to use it for.

I suggest you all read the book Urges: A Chronicle of Serial Killer Larry Hall.. Not only is it an interesting insight into this man's mind--Possibly the abductor of Angela Hammond, or at least a man VERY MUCH like her abductor--but also a great insight into the minds of serial killers in general; Such insight could not only help solve Angela's case, but the unsolved mysteries of many other people who disappeared suddenly and permanently and whose loss and whereabouts leaves their families.

An interesting thing to note from the book is that serial killers often commit their first murder at or after twenty five years of age, but are for years consumed with violent and/or sadistic, controlling fantasies involving women. A traumatic or significant life event often 'triggers' them to kill or begins the killing. The kind of abductor we're looking for would've been someone with such fantasies; He would've been a loner by nature (as Hall was) but had friends who had no idea of his other side (as Hall did); Would've had an interest or hobby of some kind (as Hall did) but likely no normal sexual relationships--No girlfriends or wives.

There are an estimated 30 or so serial killers active in this country at any moment in time. 30 or so men in this country could've abducted Angela on April 4th 1991. If time, research and thought is dedicated to researching every avenue involved in this case, and researching the Clinton, Missouri and surrounding areas of 1991, as well as other cases and probable suspects, I do not see why the list of probable suspects in her abduction could not at the very least be narrowed down.

There is the possibility, of course, that we are looking in the wrong direction:
Perhaps Angela's abductor was NOT a serial killer; Perhaps he was a drug fiend and abducted her while intoxicated, not realizing what he was doing until it was too late, or perhaps he was a one time offender; Perhaps her offender met with some accident or disease and died, or killed himself abducting Angela. Perhaps he was jailed not long after for rape, or for some other lesser crime--Maybe even something very petty and nonviolent.

Perhaps, too, he may have moved on to other states and thus crimes that are even slightly similar to Angela's should be looked into as possibly the work of the same man--Serial killers can change up their MO.

The point is, which I hope you will read, is that we are confronted with a several sad truths and a few frightening possibilities:

One, Angela Hammond has not been seen alive since Thursday, April 4th 1991, very nearly twenty years ago; For some, now a lifetime ago. She was several months pregnant, and was aged 20. She most likely never lived to see another day, much less age 21, 25, or beyond; She'd be 40 years old now, with a 20 year old child. Both she and her unborn child were most probably murdered and thus never had any chance to live a full life and in her child's case, no chance of any life, and she likely died in a state of terror, a fate no one deserves. That is an injustice of the highest kind, especially given the added fact that her abduction and probable murder remains unsolved and thus unavenged by the law.

Two, to this day her family remains without answers, without closure, without justice served in the theft of someone they loved; Every holiday goes by with her and her child missing at the table. Every year goes by without an answer to their questions, an ending to their grief. That, too, is an injustice.

Three, as her killer has not been found or named, there is the chance that he is in jail for some other crime, or even for some other murder. It is still an injustice that even if he is locked up and thus society is safe from him, he's not in jail for Angela's abduction, and thus her case would remain--to those who matter most, her family--officially unsolved.

Fourth , there is the chance that her abductor is still out there today, targeting harmless and defenseless women just like Angela. If he was indeed a serial killer, then his lust to live out the fantasies which drove him to abduct Angela and probably others will never wane; It will never cease; It never stops until a serial killer either dies or is captured.

To think that her abductor and probable murderer lives, breathes and walks free to not only enjoy life, something Angela Hammond and countless other victims of murderers were robbed of, but walks free to take life, is not just an injustice, but also a terror, for there are still even in our age of cell phones and fast communication many vulnerable and harmless women who, like Angela Hammond, everyday meet unknown and likely dark fates.

Having looked into this recently, I'm beginning to think Larry Hall could be a very likely suspect. If he could be placed in the area, it would all fall together - Hammond fits every aspect of what he wanted in a victim.

Having looked into this recently, I'm beginning to think Larry Hall could be a very likely suspect. If he could be placed in the area, it would all fall together - Hammond fits every aspect of what he wanted in a victim.

He traveled around so much that it might be difficult to do that, it may certainly be hard to prove that he wasn't there.

I have to wonder if the authorities have ever considered him a person of interest or if he's ever been questioned in Hammond's dissapearance. Sad thing is, he might not even remember it if he did do it. From what I've read he barely remembered a lot of his murders and its been nearly twenty years now.

Excellent research CuriousMind!

If Hall did indeed have several different vehicles that he perhaps traded for and rented over the years, then he could have easily had an older vehicle like the Ford truck described at one point.

And if indeed Hall was Angela's abductor, he undoubtedly knew that Rob chased him so he knew there was a witness who saw the truck. So it makes perfect sense that he would have ditched it, whether by removing the fish logo, selling it, or even destroying it altogether. Hall wasn't caught until 1994, so he had plenty of time to do this.

I do wonder if Hall was known to be a fisherman, that would explain the fish logo. Though its not really a smoking gun either way. He could have bought the truck with it on there, or simply just liked the logo.

The other thing is how likely is it Hall may have slipped through the cracks as someone for the authorities to investigate? He is not a nationally known serial killer like Gary Ridgeway or a Ted Bundy, I'm betting its possible.

Regardless of whether or not Hall was her abductor, whoever was responsible would have gotten rid of the truck shortly after the abduction since Rob obviously witnessed the truck as he was chasing it. So in looking for the truck (the only real lead in this case) it's obviously only going to lead to dead ends if it was ditched/destroyed. IMHO, the only way this case will ever be solved is a confession from someone.

I really hope whoever did this is rotting in jail somewhere, or dead. Can't imagine he's still walking around as a free man.

Excellent research CuriousMind!

If Hall did indeed have several different vehicles that he perhaps traded for and rented over the years, then he could have easily had an older vehicle like the Ford truck described at one point.

And if indeed Hall was Angela's abductor, he undoubtedly knew that Rob chased him so he knew there was a witness who saw the truck. So it makes perfect sense that he would have ditched it, whether by removing the fish logo, selling it, or even destroying it altogether. Hall wasn't caught until 1994, so he had plenty of time to do this.

I do wonder if Hall was known to be a fisherman, that would explain the fish logo. Though its not really a smoking gun either way. He could have bought the truck with it on there, or simply just liked the logo.

The other thing is how likely is it Hall may have slipped through the cracks as someone for the authorities to investigate? He is not a nationally known serial killer like Gary Ridgeway or a Ted Bundy, I'm betting its possible.
The police claimed two years ago that there was some DNA evidence that could lead to s suspect. Hall is in prison now so if that DNA links him then its only a matter of time before its pinned on him.

Regardless of whether or not Hall was her abductor, whoever was responsible would have gotten rid of the truck shortly after the abduction since Rob obviously witnessed the truck as he was chasing it. So in looking for the truck (the only real lead in this case) it's obviously only going to lead to dead ends if it was ditched/destroyed. IMHO, the only way this case will ever be solved is a confession from someone.

I really hope whoever did this is rotting in jail somewhere, or dead. Can't imagine he's still walking around as a free man.

The truck could help if they still have the list of the 1600 they looked into back in 1991 as owners of a similar truck. And if they could try to find out all trucks like the one the perp was riding, and see not only who owned them, but who was friends/associated with the truck's owner.

It was most definately ditched or sold after that night, of course, but it had to be owned by someone at some point.

The police claimed two years ago that there was some DNA evidence that could lead to s suspect. Hall is in prison now so if that DNA links him then its only a matter of time before its pinned on him.

I'm curious as to what kind of DNA evidence they could have since Angela's body was never found. From where did they obtain such evidence?

I'm curious as to what kind of DNA evidence they could have since Angela's body was never found. From where did they obtain such evidence?

The phonebooth where she was abducted from was taken down and apparently is considered evidence. They could've found anything on it for example, maybe her blood? Maybe he hit her or did something to her besides grabbing her which caused her to scream? Or maybe HIS blood or flesh--She could've scratched and bite in an attempt to escape.
Or, fingerprints. He used not only the same phone she used (when making that creepy "Didn't need to use the phone anyway" comment) but also the one next to it. Also, in the struggle (I'm sure she put up a fight), loose hairs on his head, for example would've and could've fell out. He could've dropped a cigarette butt on the ground before abducting her. Really, it could be any manner of thing.