Hi....great board and great info about one of my fave shows.....can anyone post the photo & letter of Jule Caylor and his bout with Wendy's here...can't find it anywhere else.

Thanks

i would like to see it as well, but I'm afraid the only place it exists is at a Wendy's on the west coast, if they have it at all, it was like 30 years ago.

thanks...would still luv to see that pic and letter....wow...I think it has been at least 20 years since Wendy's had the salad bar.....keeping on the Jule theme, another post says Jule actually has a facebook page.....anyone ever contacted him? has Jule posted here?

You know, I always wondered where the Jule Caylor Wendy's salad bar story actually came from in the first place, and even started to believe it might have just been some silly urban legend that just spiralled out of control amongst UM fans.

However, the Porchlight International board does show that the salad incident was actually documented in an article about Dottie Caylor's disappearance from the Contra Costa Times in Walnut Creek, California. As best as I can tell, this is the original source for that story:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=3293

Quite an interesting read, actually, which provides a lot of backstory about Jule and Dottie's unhappy marriage.

Thanks Robin....good reading and ALOT of background info on ole Jule.....also google lists several articles, papers written or co-written by Jule during his time with the US Forestry Service....seems like he had a pretty good job with them

Ya know, I have to wonder....what is making ol' Jule such a woman magnet??? He twice had affairs(twice that we know anyway) and has been married twice.(almost a third time before she decided no thanks) Personally, I don't see it. He comes off as totally smug, slimy and arrogant...not the type of guy I'd want to date/marry. I did think he was innocent...but now from the additional things I've read about him on this site...I'm going with 100% guilty!

Ya know, I have to wonder....what is making ol' Jule such a woman magnet???


Yeah... what is it about this guy that makes him such a ladies man? He's not charming. Not such a good looking feller. Doesn't seem to be a smooth talker. He probably made a comfortable living and had a secure job, but he wasn't rich enough to blind one to his faults.

I dunno, I just don't see the appeal, but considering his prolific writings, maybe he composed convincing love letters? :biglove:

Thats why I wanted to see the infamous 8 page letter to Wendy's, along with photo, explaining his "salad making skills" ....what kind of ruckus did ole Jules cause to get tossed out of a Wendy's???....out of all the UM I have watched since ...oh 1987? or so, Jule is probably one of the most cocky guys interviewed...just something about him.

Never knew there were so many UM fans, I recently found this board....when I was in school my roommates would rib me because I was glued to the TV when the show would come on.

I DVR the 2 hours a day it comes on Lifetime and the 1 hour late night on Spike but it seems like lots of repeats.....really would like to see the full uncut version of the Angela Hammond story.

Thats why I wanted to see the infamous 8 page letter to Wendy's, along with photo, explaining his "salad making skills" ....what kind of ruckus did ole Jules cause to get tossed out of a Wendy's???....out of all the UM I have watched since ...oh 1987? or so, Jule is probably one of the most cocky guys interviewed...just something about him.

Never knew there were so many UM fans, I recently found this board....when I was in school my roommates would rib me because I was glued to the TV when the show would come on.

I DVR the 2 hours a day it comes on Lifetime and the 1 hour late night on Spike but it seems like lots of repeats.....really would like to see the full uncut version of the Angela Hammond story.

I'd love to see the alleged immense mess he made at the salad bar to get thrown out in the first place. How do you destroy a salad bar to the point at which you are told to leave the restaurant? I remember somebody saying that photo would make a great avatar. :lol:

hahaha......yep, I remember when we got the Wendy's "salad bar"....basically just a big ole slop bar with canned marinara and oily noodles on the end with toasted hamburger bun halves to make it a "complete meal".....I don't know how it is in CA or UT, but in South Carolina you would have to raise holy hell to get the boot from a $3.99 salad fest...this is a mystery, what did this guy do at the Wendy's???

Maybe Jule can throw together a Caesar salad for me and add some ranch dressing and blue cheese on top of it for me? Who knows, maybe we can call it the Jule Caylor special?

I suspect that Jules Caylor was asked to leave Wendy's for same reason that he appears to be guilty in his segment: He appears to have an inability to act "correctly" in most social situations.

I'm pretty certain that an overworked manager at a Wendy's isn't going to take the time to deal w/ somebody like Caylor when it would much simpler to ask him to leave. Or call the police.

I'm sure Jule has pissed off many co-workers during his lifetime. :crazy:

I'm sure Jule has pissed off many co-workers during his lifetime. :crazy:

I agree. I think that a person like Jule would have to own his own business or be a contract-type worker given his anti-social personality issues.

His manner during the UM segment is highly annoying, and his condescending remarks regarding Dottie scream, "I'm an arseclown!"

How I wish I could've been a fly on the wall of that Wendy's so I could witness his "salad expertise", and his dismissal.

I could have sworn somebody posted the picture, but maybe I just imagined it with him and a dopey smile, haha.

His manner during the UM segment is highly annoying, and his condescending remarks regarding Dottie scream, "I'm an arseclown!"

How I wish I could've been a fly on the wall of that Wendy's so I could witness his "salad expertise", and his dismissal.

Wow...I guess you considered that Jule may have a mental or emotional condition that cause him to act in manner that appears to be "anti-social" and you have completely dismissed that as a logical explanation.

I agree. I think that a person like Jule would have to own his own business or be a contract-type worker given his anti-social personality issues.

Yeah I find it hard to contemplate how he even holds down a job really.

I could have sworn somebody posted the picture, but maybe I just imagined it with him and a dopey smile, haha.

You may be thinking of the picture they showed of him and Dottie together during the UM segment where he displays a really dopey-looking smile:
http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/images/cases/mis_dottie_caylor3.jpg

Wow...I guess you considered that Jule may have a mental or emotional condition that cause him to act in manner that appears to be "anti-social" and you have completely dismissed that as a logical explanation.


Whether he either does or doesn't have a mental and/or emotional condition, I wouldn't know such. However, what I have CONSIDERED is an all-out coldness (in terms of discussing Dottie) during the segment; THAT is what I referenced as an annoyance. But where is there a display of manner in which is an appearance of antisocial though? Have you ever observed behavior displayed by him in which would be deemed as such?

You may be thinking of the picture they showed of him and Dottie together during the UM segment where he displays a really dopey-looking smile:
http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/images/cases/mis_dottie_caylor3.jpg

I probably just imagined a similar smile and him with a salad bowl, haha. :crazy: It is an easy image to conjure up for some reason.

Whether he either does or doesn't have a mental and/or emotional condition, I wouldn't know such. However, what I have CONSIDERED is an all-out coldness (in terms of discussing Dottie) during the segment; THAT is what I referenced as an annoyance. But where is there a display of manner in which is an appearance of antisocial though? Have you ever observed behavior displayed by him in which would be deemed as such?

The "coldness" is your perception of the man's attitude. Since neither you nor I know Jule Caylor nor his ex-wife we have no way of knowing of how the relationship was and how they felt about one another.

Also, if Mr. Caylor has issues w/ social interaction, almost of all his actions are going to seem odd or bizarre in comparison to social norms. I know how would respond if my wife was;what I don't know is how others would and I really can't judge what they would do.

The "coldness" is your perception of the man's attitude. Since neither you nor I know Jule Caylor nor his ex-wife we have no way of knowing of how the relationship was and how they felt about one another.


Well, of course their feelings toward one another are unknown to me, but aside from attitude, his remarks alone could be considered "cold" as well. But then again, that is my own personal impression (of his remarks) in that aspect.


Also, if Mr. Caylor has issues w/ social interaction, almost of all his actions are going to seem odd or bizarre in comparison to social norms. I know how would respond if my wife was;what I don't know is how others would and I really can't judge what they would do.


So in other words, there isn't an actual basis for the usage of the term 'antisocial' regarding Jule in particular.

Jule Caylor circa 2010/2011


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Hi. I'm the newspaper reporter who wrote a five-part series about Dottie in 2004, and have followed the case ever since. Unfortunately, nothing new to report, but this was the last story I did, and thought you all would be interested. BTW, we did publish a picture of Jule and his very tidy salad.

May 7, 2006
A Concord Police detective says in court documents that he believes Dottie Caylor, a Concord woman missing almost 21 years, was killed by her husband in the home they shared.
The 140-page search warrant affidavit filed in Contra Costa County Superior Court includes 29 reasons why Concord Police suspect Dottie was killed by her husband, Jule Caylor.

The affidavit -- a collection of facts, assertions and theories used to support the request for a search warrant -- also contains two documents never before made public by police: a four-page letter Caylor left in his wife's car and a mysterious letter and map that alleges Dottie's murder in her garage and gives vague directions to where her body is said to be buried beneath the roots of a birch tree.

Detective Kurt Messick, the lead investigator in the case and the person who prepared the mammoth affidavit, cautions that assertions made in the court papers are merely the police theory of what happened. In police terminology, Caylor remains a "person of interest" and not a suspect.

"On an affidavit we have to be specific, " Messick says. "We have to state that we believe one, that a crime occurred; two, that there is reasonable cause to believe that this particular person was involved; and three, that items related to the crime may be at that location.

"It doesn't mean a person is guilty," Messick says. "When we serve a search warrant, sometimes we find exculpatory evidence. We can't call him (Caylor) a suspect until we have enough to arrest and charge him. Then we'd call him a suspect."

Caylor, who lives outside Salt Lake City, could not be reached for comment. His lawyer, Pleasant Hill estate and trust attorney Joe Morrill, said he could make no comment at this time.

Dottie Caylor disappeared in mid-June 1985, in the midst of planning a divorce from her husband. At the time, Jule Caylor told police he had driven Dottie to the Pleasant Hill BART station and hadn't seen her again. Caylor moved to Utah less than two weeks after reporting Dottie missing, taking most of the woman's possessions with him and renting out their house.

The marriage had not been a happy one, Dottie's friends and family say. Dottie had met Caylor when he was a graduate student at UC Berkeley. He had introduced himself as Jim Rupp, later telling police he had used a fake name because he did not want Dottie to know he was married and had a 5-year-old daughter.

Dottie eventually learned the truth, but by that time, she had fallen in love with Caylor. At her insistence, he eventually divorced his wife and married Dottie. Caylor's work with the U.S. Forest Service often took him away from home, and Dottie succumbed to insecurity, developing agoraphobia -- a condition that made her fearful of leaving her home.

The marriage had some particularly rocky moments. On Thanksgiving 1981, the couple argued about a missing checkbook. According to police reports and the affidavit, Caylor accused Dottie of hiding it from him. The argument got out of hand and, police say, Caylor allegedly struck Dottie with what has been described as a typing stand -- a small wooden stand that held a typewriter on top of a desk.

Neighbors heard the loud argument and called police, but before the officer arrived, Dottie drove herself to the hospital. She told police Caylor had flown into a rage over the checkbook and struck her. Caylor told police Dottie had threatened him with scissors. Both claimed they acted in self-defense.

Dottie spent the night at a battered women's shelter, but neither decided to press charges and the case was dropped.

By 1985, Jule and Dottie were discussing divorce. Caylor's job in the San Francisco office of the U.S. Forest Service had been eliminated, and he had taken a new position in the service's Salt Lake City office. Unbeknownst to Dottie, Caylor also had become engaged to a Colorado woman he had met on a business trip. In December 1984, he had asked her to marry him, and they had purchased wedding rings, according to the affidavit.

Dottie, meanwhile, had been seeking help for her phobias and taking classes on life after divorce. She talked to a lawyer, and together, she and Caylor had seen a mediator to discuss the division of property and the dissolution of their marriage.

Dottie told friends that when Jule left for Utah, she would be staying in the house. She opened a bank account and applied for credit cards in her own name. She also rented a post office box and asked a friend to keep a file cabinet for her -- a cabinet she told friends contained evidence of Caylor's past affairs and activities. When Dottie's sister later opened the cabinet, she found a cashier's check for $5,000, made out to Dottie and set to expire within a few months.

Yet on June 12, 1985, Caylor says he drove Dottie to the BART station, and she walked out of his life forever, leaving behind her money, her clothes and all of the plans she had so carefully made for her new single life. None of her friends or relatives has heard anything from her in almost 21 years. Dottie's mother, who had waited so long for word from her daughter, died last year without ever knowing what happened to her youngest child.

After the initial investigation found no trace of Dottie and no evidence of foul play, the case went cold until police reopened it in 2004. In December 2005, police requested a search warrant for the couple's home on Greer Avenue in North Concord, where they dug up portions of the back yard and tested for blood and trace evidence inside the one-story home.

The affidavit and two notebooks of attachments were sealed when they were filed late last year, but they have now become part of the public record. In the affidavit, Messick outlined a multitude of circumstantial evidence and unanswered questions, summarizing his theory of murder in 29 points focusing on events leading up to Dottie's disappearance and Jule's actions immediately afterward.

Among those listed:

* Allegations Dottie made about her husband's propensity for violence and evidence she had been battered by him on one occasion.

* Dottie telling friends and family that she was in fear of her husband.

* Jule's engagement to another woman six months before Dottie disappeared.

* Jule reporting Dottie missing on June 19, even though he told police he had not expected his wife to return to the home until after he left on June 24.

* Jule signing a contract on June 7, 1985, to put the Concord house up for rent, even though he told police and others that he had been forced to rent the house after Dottie disappeared because her signature was required to sell or mortgage the house.

* The implausibility of his story about finding Dottie's car parked next to his in the BART parking lot.

* Statements Jule made in letters to and in conversations with his fiancee, saying he had made a "Herculean effort" to be with her, an effort that she might never know or understand, and that he would do anything for her, even kill. The statements as well as the news of Dottie's disappearance so frightened the woman, she told police, that she had broken off contact with Caylor.

The court file also includes an intriguing type-written letter, postmarked Jan. 4, 1988, from Gary, Ind.

"To Whom it May Concern," the letter begins. "Dottie was killed by her husband the morning she disappeared. It happened very early in the morning. He bought (sic) her out to the garage and struck her with a tire iron."

Included with the letter was a hand-drawn map of an unidentified Concord neighborhood and a diagram of the garage, showing the car and blood stains.

The letter accuses Caylor of taking Dottie's body to a "remote" area of Concord where new homes were being built. Instead of burying her underneath what would become a foundation for a house, the letter writer says, he dumped the body in a ravine, then dug a hole beneath the curving roots of a birch tree and hid the body there.

Police aren't sure what to make of the letter. A document examiner compared the writing on the map with known samples from Caylor, and said sufficient similarities exist between the two to warrant further investigation.

Police also have developed a DNA profile on the stamp and label, but they have not matched it to anyone. They have determined that the DNA has male characteristics.

Messick says there are three possibilities:

One, that the writer is someone who is or believes himself or herself to be a psychic. The letter was received shortly after the television show "Unsolved Mysteries" featured Dottie's story on the national program.

Two, the letter was written by someone who has knowledge of the crime, either as a witness or to whom the killer confessed details.

Or three, the person who killed Dottie also wrote the letter.

The affidavit also includes the letter that Caylor says he wrote to Dottie and left in her car, which he said he had found parked next to his in the Concord BART parking lot. The locked car had also contained Dottie's purse. Caylor told police he left notes in the car and moved it a few times to keep Dottie from getting a ticket.

The hand-written letter starts out affectionately, speaking of how worried he is about her, but then turns angry, accusing Dottie of messing up Caylor's life by her refusal to sign loan papers. In a post script, Caylor also writes that it had not been his idea, but Dottie's, for him to seek female companionship.

A search of the Caylor home in December turned up no physical evidence, Messick says, but the investigation remains active. The police are working with an adviser to the district attorney's office and exploring options.

"Nothing has changed on that," Messick says. "We just didn't find her at the house. I realized there was good chance that we wouldn't, but that doesn't change anything. It's still a matter of what we can prove and what we can't prove."

Joan Morris is a feature writer. Reach her at 925-977-8479 or jmorris@bayareanewsgroup.com.
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Jule Caylor reportedly wrote and left this four-page letter in his wife's car, a few days after she disappeared. The letter is printed verbatim, misspellings and all.

My Dearest Dottie,

It is Saturday, June 15, and you have been gone four days. I am so lonely I really don't know how to survive. I need you -- I always have. I have tried so hard to be good to you -- to be good for you. If you could only see that. I couldn't believe it when I found your car parked beside mine on Thursday. I have been checking and making sure it isn't ticketed. What in the world did you get into to get all the footprints on your freshly washed paint? -- and why in the world did you leave your purse? How are you getting by with so few clothes? Whom are you with? Please, God call me and let me know what you are doing and where you will be -- when you will be back.

You thought I could get an independent loan if you would not sign. But I can't. So you really screwed up my life by refusing to sign those loan papers since the property is in both of our names. I don't know what to do. I can neither sell it nor get a loan (on it) until you are willing to sign the papers with me. Are you with Shelly? She called a few days ago but she has not called back, so you must be with her. Please give me her last name or a phone number. Since I cannot reach you, I must rent out this place to be able to obtain enough income to cover the loan on my other place ¿ otherwise I cannot get anything in SLC. So you will have to take the room you planned to take with Shelly. I have no choice being in the position you have placed me in. So now I cannot give you any choice either. Don't try to screw up this deal. You must cooperate with me this time since you gave me no options last time.

Since I don't know even where to contact you, I don't know where to send your things. I would send them to your sister, but I don't want to embarrass you or burden her since she doesn't have much room. I will simply take all the stuff with me unless you contact me and tell me to do something different. In any case you can get back from me everything that is yours. I don't know what else to do. I don't know any of your friends so I have no place to move it.

I am trying to figure out how to forward my mail. But since I must rent this I have to forward your mail also. But again I don't know where or to whom. So I will forward all of our mail to Utah. It will go to my office since I don't know when I will be able to get into my new home ¿ if I even can still get it with the delays that have arisen from your refusal to sign the loan. But strangely enough I still care for you ¿ even through all the horrible hurts and loneliness you have put me through. If I could have you here, trying, helping me again I would give you everything that you asked for. It might not strain me that much. And if you really would work as you said you would so you can get financially independent in a year then I would really lose very little. Please oh please contact me. Don't wait until I am in SLC to let me know what to do. It just is not fair.

Being alone is no fun (for me). I hope it is no fun for you either. You said you have grown tired of marriage. So what? Everybody finds things get rough at some time in their life. I am still trying for you. Can't you try for me? No, I guess not! Trying together is past for now. Perhaps at some later time???

I have been checking your car several times a day -- leaving notes. I will leave this letter for now. For some reason I am a little apprehensive. I cannot understand why or how you could get along without your purse. Are you OK? You must be. You are so good at taking care of yourself.

The guy who wanted to buy the boat just came back. I think I will sell it to him. It is just too much of a pain to try to take it with me. Please come back home. I need to get so many details straightened out that only you can help me with. Please come home.

How I wish I didn't still love you. How I wish you still did love me.

Jule

P.S. You know where to find me in SLC. Contact me there (work) like you said you would. I will give you my home address and phone number as soon as I have one. What your doing with Harriett? You must stop torturing me this way. I simply cannot take it any more. If you are going to do something, for God's sake do it. If you aren't, then for God's sake stop talking about it. I cannot stand the mind-bending ¿ the "now we do it, now we don't" syndrome. Decide something, Dottie, and do it. This indecision is killing me. You are the one who demanded I search for a new love. That wasn't my idea.

Good lord.

Thanks for posting, Joan! Very interesting article. I"m not sure if I didn't pay attention when I watched Dottie's case on UM, but the evidence stacked against Jules certainly looks bad...

Please keep us posted if anything new develops!

Wow, thanks so much for posting, Joan, and for sharing so much interesting information!

This has always been one of my pet cases on UM and it was fascinating reading the contents of Jule's letter. One of our biggest questions has always been who exactly was Dottie supposed to be visiting on her trip, so I find this mention of "Shelly" very interesting, along with the fact that Jule doesn't even know her last name or phone #. Assuming, of course, that Dottie even left on the trip at all and didn't just make this person up to cover himself. He wrote that Shelly "called a few days ago", so I wonder if police ever checked his phone records. I also wonder who this "Harriett" he mentions might be.

That anonymous letter about Dottie being murdered has always struck me as really bizarre and I find it interesting that they've never ruled out the possibility that Jule wrote it himself. If he is the killer, I could actually see himself being narcissistic enough to try something like that. Hell, giving his behaviour on UM, I could almost see him being warped enough to do something like that even if he was INNOCENT!

My only question to you, Joan, is since you published the photo of Jule with his salad, did you ever actually see the eight-page letter he wrote to Wendy's? It always boggled my mind how anyone could fill eight whole pages talking about salad, but the letter he left for Dottie does paint a pretty interesting picture of his personality.

Thanks Joan,

If you have the letter or pic of Jule please post! The entertainment value of this would be priceless......

Shelley was Dottie's best friend, and the person who had helped Dottie the most. Dottie gave her a locked file cabinet full of the mounds of proof she had that Jule had been seeing other women. Inside the cabinet was also a $5,000 cashier's check that was set to expire in a few months. Shelley did indeed call the Caylor house several times during the period when Dottie was missing, never getting an answer. Eventually, Jule answered and told her Dottie was missing. Shelley then called the Concord police to see if Jule had filed a report -- he hadn't. Shelley also notified Dottie's sister and began calling everyone she knew. Shelley says she knew right away something was wrong because if Dottie had left Jule, she would have come to her. Dottie also had taken pains that Jule not meet or know any of her friends.

I honestly don't remember if I read the 8 page letter to Wendy's. There are literally thousands of documents that Dottie's sister managed to salvage off the moving truck when Jule was loading things up. I think I read a copy of it, or at least a part of it. And unfortunately, we changed operating and archiving systems a few years back and the photo of Jule and his salad was not transfered over. The private investigator, however, has the original, along with all of the letters and papers. Dottie was obsessive about keeping things. She even made copies of letters she mailed to Jule's parents and his girlfriends.

I actually just watched this segment for the first time last night. I really do not know where to start. Offhand, I cannot think of a more unlikable person to be featured on UM. From his general condescending manner to his putting all the blame on his wife's mental illness on her, this guy has all the bases covered. If you have some spare time, go to the link RobinW. posted, there is some very interesting stuff there. It must take a one-of-a-kind person to actually manage to get thrown out of a Wendy's for destroying a salad bar.

Shelley was Dottie's best friend, and the person who had helped Dottie the most. Dottie gave her a locked file cabinet full of the mounds of proof she had that Jule had been seeing other women. Inside the cabinet was also a $5,000 cashier's check that was set to expire in a few months. Shelley did indeed call the Caylor house several times during the period when Dottie was missing, never getting an answer. Eventually, Jule answered and told her Dottie was missing. Shelley then called the Concord police to see if Jule had filed a report -- he hadn't. Shelley also notified Dottie's sister and began calling everyone she knew. Shelley says she knew right away something was wrong because if Dottie had left Jule, she would have come to her. Dottie also had taken pains that Jule not meet or know any of her friends.

Thanks for the confirmation. I actually went back and re-watched the UM segment and saw that Shelley was the name of one of the women from the support group Dottie attended and was interviewed on camera.

You know, I was always on the fence about whether or not Jule was guilty as even though he didn't exactly endear himself on UM, there didn't appear to be any strong enough evidence to indicate that he killed her. However, all this new info has me pretty convinced he did it. I could have simply written him off as a cold man who genuinely did not care that his soon-to-be-ex-wife disappeared, but the contents of his letter don't seem to match that personality and seem to have been planted there as a means to cover himself. And anyone who was that flustered about getting Dottie to sign those loan papers would have filed a missing persons report and tried a lot harder to track her down. I've seen far too many murder/missing persons cases in the last several years where a guilty husband claims his wife just simply ran off after a fight and conveniently never came back.

I have been reading everything that has been posted here the last few days and I'm thankful to Joan for the information.

The letter is probably similar in length to the JonBenet Ramsey ransom letter. In other words, it's quite long. It would seem to me that if Jule were guilty, he would keep his comments pretty concise. Because a letter of this length is subject to being scrutinized to the nth degree. I tend to believe Jule is being honest in the letter by sheer virtue of the fact that is long and rambling. And although he may have appeared a bit harsh in his interview, I feel he was being honest.

The biggest puzzler for me was the apparent lack of motive here, and after reading the letter, it becomes that much more of a puzzler. For all intents and purposes, Jule actually appears to want Dottie in his life. I admit the letter is a bit contradictary at times, but Jule appears to not only want to reconcile with Dottie, but at the very least, get her to surface so she can sign the loan papers. Now granted in his interview, Jule said "it was hell living with Dottie, it was hell having her disappear the way she did, but ever since...life's been pretty good." But I have to wonder if he changed his mind on Dottie and here's where I get a scenario. Jule said in his interview "For the first few days, I thought she had left to...well...make things inconvenient for me." I think there might be more to this. I think Dottie may have just planned to disappear for a short time to inconvenience Jule and do it in a way where she would have little fear of him getting revenge because he was moving to Salt Lake City. But after coming to the realization that she was classified as a missing person and she put all of her loved ones through all of this fear, she decided to remain hidden because she didn't want to face up to reality. And after reading the statements about how Dottie kept all of her friends and their info from Jule, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that she disappeared voluntarily. I mean, after all, this woman did A LOT of things secretly.

Now, I don't think that Jule not filing a missing persons report is suspicious because...he would have had no idea where she went, how long she was supposed to be gone, who she was with. Remember, Dottie was doing everything in secret. He probably had no reason to worry at the outset. In the segment, Stack says something to the effect of "Jule dropped off Dottie, but can't be sure if she purchased a ticket." Now this is crucial, IMO. Because I think Dottie may have met someone there. And she did this purposefully to give the impression she boarded a train and throw investigators off track.

When I read the letter and listen to Jule's interview, there is nothing that screams dishonesty, which could be a clincher of guilt for me. I just don't get the impression that he is lying. He has no history that I know of abusing his other girlfriends or whatever, and there is no phsycial evidence that he committed any crime.

I think the way the police and the private investigators approached this case was to break it into two parts. One, did Dottie really go missing. And two, if she did, then who's responsible.

It's possible that Dottie could have disappeared on her own, but she left behind all of her resources -- money, her purse (which was the only and best tool she had in fighting her agoraphobia -- she would fill it with everything imaginable so that she was, in essence, taking her home with her when she went out), and a small but very strong support group. She made plans to be on her own, then she never accessed them. That tips the scales toward her disappearance not being of her own accord.

She also had little reason to disappear at that time. She'd just gotten everything she wanted. Jule was leaving, they were going to get a divorce, she was going to be able to stay in the house, and she was going to be sticking it to Jule, who not only wouldn't be able to sell the house to finance the new one he was buying for him and his fiance, but he would have to pay Dottie spousal support.

There's a possibility that she was going to leave for a bit and that something went wrong. She was kidnapped, was the victim of robbery, was a random victim of crime. If so how did her car get to the BART station, and why was her purse left inside with all of her identification and cash? There was only ever one key found to that car, and it was in the possession of Jule. Investigators theorize that he planted the car there and the purse, hoping it would be stolen or broken into, and that police would assume she'd been robbed and murdered, but when her friends and neighbors started asking questions, and the car didn't get stolen, he had to go to another plan.

But the biggest sticking point is that everyone, including Jule, is in agreement that Jule was leaving for Salt Lake and Dottie was staying in the house. Jule told police that Dottie told him she was going to stay away until after he left for Utah. So, why did Jule contact an agent to put the house up for rent days before he reported Dottie missing, and why was he taking everything with him, including her car, if he believed she was coming back? Where was she supposed to live and what was she supposed to drive? She bought the car in Ohio before she even moved to California, so it was her sole property.

Those actions -- guilty knowledge -- are what put Jule on the "person of interest" list for the police, along with Dottie's letters telling people that Jule had threatened to kill her, plus the one documented case of domestic violence.

Will we ever know what happened to Dottie? Most likely not. Even finding her remains after all of these years probably wouldn't answer the question of who killed her and when.

A scenario I came up with awhile back, that would actually explain some things was this: Dottie met another man...a rich man. So that the items she left behind wouldn't have mattered as much because her new man was rich. Shelley does state that Dottie was taking more care of her appearance, adding more color to her outfits and so on, so I think there's a good chance that Dottie met a new man that was well off and decided to just start a new life and leave behind her old things because they reminded her of bad times. And again, after all, she was doing things in secret.

And what makes Dottie different from just about every other missing person out there is that she had a reputation of doing things secretly.

A scenario I came up with awhile back, that would actually explain some things was this: Dottie met another man...a rich man. So that the items she left behind wouldn't have mattered as much because her new man was rich. Shelley does state that Dottie was taking more care of her appearance, adding more color to her outfits and so on, so I think there's a good chance that Dottie met a new man that was well off and decided to just start a new life and leave behind her old things because they reminded her of bad times. And again, after all, she was doing things in secret.

And what makes Dottie different from just about every other missing person out there is that she had a reputation of doing things secretly.


But why wouldn't she contact her family/friends? From what I've gathered, she had a very close-knit support system who were going to help her get away from the situation she was in. These aren't people you'd leave in the dark if you were going to start over with someone new...

But why wouldn't she contact her family/friends? From what I've gathered, she had a very close-knit support system who were going to help her get away from the situation she was in. These aren't people you'd leave in the dark if you were going to start over with someone new...

probably because she was afraid they'd spill the beans.

probably because she was afraid they'd spill the beans.

After all these years?

After all these years?

well, I answered that above the other day. I have to wonder if perhaps Dottie only intended to disappear for a few days to inconvenience Jule, not be around to sign the loan papers, etc. But when she went to resurface, she realized that she was classified as a missing person, she freaked out all of her loved ones, etc, and the whole thing was a bigger issue than she intended. So she just chose to remain hidden. Another theory that I had was that she just started a whole new life, and left all of her previous possessions, acquintances behind. That sort of thing has happened before. Like I said, she was meeting new people.

being that they were both going their separate ways...Could Jule not hang just a few days until they were both going to be rid of each other? eh. seems unlikely. Even if he was fed up with her, it seems he could last on a few more days till he was in another state.

I just watched this case and while I can't be 100% certain that Jules did it I would say that the odds are quite good.

His smugness in the interview reminded me of Scott Peterson, which made me a little sick inside.

It would be nice to get closure on this case but there is no doubt in my mind that Jules did it. It will unfortunately never be proven though.

I'd forgotten about Jule's habit of becoming engaged to other women while still married to the previous wife. Reminds me of Drew Peterson.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet or not but I searched Jule Caylor's name on facebook and sure enough, there was his ugly mug with a facebook page. His profile is set to private so the only thing you can see if his profile pic of him and a woman, guessing his wife. So he is apparently still alive and possibly re-married.

it was purely by accident, but I made an absolute mess of things at Old Country Buffet yesterday, mostly in the salad bar.

They have a front row and a back row of condiments/toppings, and if you want something in the back row, you really have to bend your body just the right way because that sneezeguard is there. I kept dropping things into other containers. I think one of the employees was getting mad at me.

it was purely by accident, but I made an absolute mess of things at Old Country Buffet yesterday, mostly in the salad bar.

They have a front row and a back row of condiments/toppings, and if you want something in the back row, you really have to bend your body just the right way because that sneezeguard is there. I kept dropping things into other containers. I think one of the employees was getting mad at me.

Actually, I think it's because you just don't know the proper way to make a salad. :)

it was purely by accident, but I made an absolute mess of things at Old Country Buffet yesterday, mostly in the salad bar.

They have a front row and a back row of condiments/toppings, and if you want something in the back row, you really have to bend your body just the right way because that sneezeguard is there. I kept dropping things into other containers. I think one of the employees was getting mad at me.

Good thing they didn't kick you out. It must have been stressful wondering if you had enough material to fill the inevitable angry eight-page letter :lol:. (Seriously, just how DOES someone fill eight whole pages talking about that?!)

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet or not but I searched Jule Caylor's name on facebook and sure enough, there was his ugly mug with a facebook page. His profile is set to private so the only thing you can see if his profile pic of him and a woman, guessing his wife. So he is apparently still alive and possibly re-married.


There's nothing interesting on it, but his Wall is open.:p

I checked out his wall, too. Nothing about his marital status or personal life in general, but a lot of ramblings and complaints about the present state of our economy and what people/groups he thinks should or shouldn't benefit from the national budget.

I honestly don't remember if I read the 8 page letter to Wendy's. There are literally thousands of documents that Dottie's sister managed to salvage off the moving truck when Jule was loading things up. I think I read a copy of it, or at least a part of it. And unfortunately, we changed operating and archiving systems a few years back and the photo of Jule and his salad was not transfered over. The private investigator, however, has the original, along with all of the letters and papers. Dottie was obsessive about keeping things. She even made copies of letters she mailed to Jule's parents and his girlfriends.

I wonder if Jule knows that his Wendys salad is the holy grail.

If that photo ever surfaces it may top the Amazon streaming news.

When was this salad incident? Was Dottie still around when this happened?

Is Wiseguy182 Jule himself? Why is he always defending Jule?

Is Wiseguy182 Jule himself? Why is he always defending Jule?

I don't think he's Jule. :) I just think he really believes Jule is innocent. Which, as I'm sure you've figured out, a lot of folks disagree with.

If I haven't said hello, welcome! We're always glad to see new people around! :wave:

I don't think he's Jule. :) I just think he really believes Jule is innocent. Which, as I'm sure you've figured out, a lot of folks disagree with.

If I haven't said hello, welcome! We're always glad to see new people around! :wave:

Hey, thank you for welcoming me! The old Unsolved Mysteries coming to Amazon has refueled my interest in the show and finally allowed me to watch episodes that have been hidden away for so long. I hate the Farina version. :mad:

RE:Wiseguy He just seems too invested to be someone who has no connection to Jules.

RE:Wiseguy He just seems too invested to be someone who has no connection to Jules.

The Jule & Dottie Caylor case is not the only one he's that opinionated about. He's a bigger true crime fan than most even among the company on this board.

The Jule & Dottie Caylor case is not the only one he's that opinionated about. He's a bigger true crime fan than most even among the company on this board.

It could be that Jules became a huge true crime buff after he was featured on Unsolved Mysteries. Or maybe he was even before and that's how he concealed Dottie's body in a way that it has remained undiscovered for so long. :confused:

Yeah... what is it about this guy that makes him such a ladies man? He's not charming. Not such a good looking feller. Doesn't seem to be a smooth talker. He probably made a comfortable living and had a secure job, but he wasn't rich enough to blind one to his faults.

I dunno, I just don't see the appeal, but considering his prolific writings, maybe he composed convincing love letters? :biglove:


It's his teeny-tiny eyes.