View Full Version : Viv's marriage to Phil Ober


desert_bloom444
10-27-2010, 01:08 AM
I read many years ago that Phil Ober possibly physically abused Viv. Does anyone know if this is true, or just gossip?

Zoneboy
10-27-2010, 01:15 AM
It's true, Lucille Ball even went as far as to tell Viv that if she didn't divorce Ober then she would or something like that.

TV Knowledge Fan
10-27-2010, 01:50 AM
...a good actor, yes- but sometimes, his roles sometimes reflected the kind of person he was- brusque, formal, and occasionally insensitive.

When he appeared in the "I DREAM OF JEANNIE" pilot (and fourth episode) as "General Stone", he had a line that wasn't included in the final version of the episode that aired, but I saw him deliver it in the unaired version of the pilot. It was the scene where the General and his daughter Melissa {Tony's fiancee} are visiting him after Jeannie briefly turned Tony's living room into a "Sultan's Den", blinking it out just as they walked in! Well, the General isn't pleased about Tony's "odd behavior" during the entire day, and lets him know how displeased he is:

"Great military tradition in my family! I've been in the service all my life, and my father was in the service before me, and his father, before him. If I thought anyone would tarnish that record, I'd break him!"

Very tough, the way Ober delivered those lines. I can imagine the fights he had with Vivian in that same tone...

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desert_bloom444
10-27-2010, 02:04 AM
I guess it surprises me ... I know the 1950s were a different time, but they did not have children together, she was successful, attractive, and able to support herself financially ... why would she tolerate that??

I wonder if the marriage played a part in her mental breakdown. :(

Lucyeth's
10-27-2010, 07:33 AM
I'm sure it contributed to it, yes. I've heard real horror stories between Vance and Ober - their marriage definitely contributed to her mental breakdown.

desert_bloom444
10-28-2010, 02:53 PM
Why would Viv stay in a marraige like that for so long?

Lucyeth's
10-28-2010, 03:11 PM
I think, partly, she stayed in the marriage for so long is for the reason is that divorce was a stigma for woman whom initiated it; it was twenty-some years after they divorced that divorce would be accepted.

catlover79
10-28-2010, 09:06 PM
I'm just happy that Viv did eventually free herself and that her next (and final) marriage to John Dodds was a very happy one. (At least it was by everything I've heard/read.) They were married from 1961 until her passing in 1979.