Brian Damage
10-03-2010, 02:54 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2hIOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Un0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4821,3725619&dq=abe+vigoda&hl=en
If so, who is to blame? It was announced in Sept. 1978, that negotiations to bring Fish back to the precinct fell apart. Did Danny Arnold who was considered a tyrant behind the scenes to blame? Was Vigoda to blame? Do you think the show hurt after his ultimate departure?
catlover79
10-03-2010, 04:31 PM
It's a tough call. Danny Arnold was definitely known as being a perfectionist and very difficult to work with - but Abe Vigoda also asked for too much money and wanted the show to be retitled "Fish & Barney", which obviously was never going to happen. Again...who knows?
SueWalsh
10-12-2010, 04:48 AM
I don't know about any of that. I do know that they had Abe doing Fish and Barney Miller at the same time and it had him at the point of absolute exhaustion. He finally couldn't do it anymore and said it was one series or the other. They decided to capitalize on Fish's popularity and went with Fish, which probably wasn't the best decision.
dlemond
10-12-2010, 09:51 AM
It's a tough call. Danny Arnold was definitely known as being a perfectionist and very difficult to work with - but Abe Vigoda also asked for too much money and wanted the show to be retitled "Fish & Barney", which obviously was never going to happen. Again...who knows?
Wow. That is crazy. Vigoda even wanted Fish to have top billing?
Bet he never thought the show would thrive the way it did after he left.
catlover79
10-12-2010, 12:03 PM
Wow. That is crazy. Vigoda even wanted Fish to have top billing?
Bet he never thought the show would thrive the way it did after he left.
Yeah, I read that in some TV book years ago. He probably didn't think the show would last without Fish, either. But then again, Abe is still acting and keeping busy at age 88 - most recently in that classic Super Bowl ad with Betty White. "That hurt!" :rofl:
energy
11-22-2010, 12:22 PM
The link is not working for me. Is there anyway to correct it, or is there any other way I can access the article about Abe Vigota?
WDUNBill
11-24-2010, 12:29 PM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2hIOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Un0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4821,3725619&dq=abe+vigoda&hl=en
If so, who is to blame? It was announced in Sept. 1978, that negotiations to bring Fish back to the precinct fell apart. Did Danny Arnold who was considered a tyrant behind the scenes to blame? Was Vigoda to blame? Do you think the show hurt after his ultimate departure?
From everything I've heard and read, it was Abe that insisted that he be spun-off, rather than remain on "Miller." Arnold fought it, the writers fought it, but they didn't want to work with an unhappy performer, so "Fish" was wrought upon the world. I pretty much blame Abe on this one, and "Barney" certainly didn't suffer much from his departure. I do wonder, though, how much better those later seasons would have been to have had those great stories AND Fish to grouse to Bernice. Sigh.
catlover79
11-28-2010, 02:08 AM
Yeah, I read that in some TV book years ago. He probably didn't think the show would last without Fish, either. But then again, Abe is still acting and keeping busy at age 88 - most recently in that classic Super Bowl ad with Betty White. "That hurt!" :rofl:
I stand corrected - age 89!!! God willing, he will hang in there for the big 9-0 coming up on February 24th!!! :cool: :D