I happened to notice that there were a few UM cases where a person was trying to escape a known or perceived danger but ended up facing even a worse danger.

Wanda Jean Mays seemed to have been fleeing a danger that was in her own mind, possibly mental illness, only to run away from her relatives house in the dark and end up dead from falling off a cliff.

Anna Anton had left her old town where some sketchy people could have been causing her some trouble, in order to start a new life in a small town. She ended up murdered by her upstairs neighbor, Greg Webb, who was the chief of police.

Blair Adams thought his life was in danger from people who wanted to kill him. He left Canada to escape from the murderer(s), took a convoluted trip around the united states, and ended up murdered in a deserted Tennessee parking lot, with no known motive.

Ethel Kidd had moved to a rural town to be near her family and to get away from increasing crime, only to be abducted from her own front yard and brutally murdered.

Anyone else featured on UM who you can think of that this happened to?

Greg Adams, the police officer shot and killed by Donald Eugene Webb. He left the Washington, D.C. police department after two years because of the workload in relation to the area's massive crime rate and moved to Saxonburg, PA's department to enjoy a slower pace. Turns out he met his end there. :(

There are probably a whole bunch of episodes that fit the criteria of someone moving away from one location to another to get a fresh start only to end up losing their life. Kathy Hobbs murder is particularly tragic in this sense because her family moved to Las Vegas so she could get a fresh start and she seemed to be getting her life in the right direction when she had her life taken from her one night after departing a convenience store.

On a totally unrelated note: What is it with Medford, Oregon and "Unsolved Mysteries"? I'm being somewhat facetious here but it just seems to me that people from Medford are just unlucky. They are either getting ripped off by scam artists like Steven Cox and Dennis Walker or if they choose to move away from Medford to say somewhere like California, they wind up getting abducted at an ATM while trying to deposit their paycheck late at night.:confused:

How about Patricia Meehan and the male driver with the exhaust leak (was his name Davis?)?

In the case of the Rodgers women that were murdered by Oba Chandler, if you read the book written about them, "Death Cruise", it states the oldest of the two daughters, Michele, had been raped by her uncle a year before the murder. One of the reasons they took the trip to Florida was to escape all the stuff that had been going on in Ohio, including the rape. We all know the rest, which is that the three Rodgers women go to Tampa and are raped and murdered by Oba Chandler.

Well, I know UM has covered a few people who survived successful tours of duty in the military then wound up being murdered once they settled down into civilian life. Matt Flores and Larry Dickens are two of the most tragic examples of this.

This isn't official, but Dottie Caylor had to overcome a debilitating struggle with agoraphobia, but right when she seemed to have beaten her fear, she went missing and (possibly) wound up murdered.

And then there's the special case of Jane Boroski who fled from one danger by surviving a stabbing attack at a rest stop and wound up encountering (though thankfully not succumbing to) the EXACT SAME danger right afterward when she drove off for help and wound by pulling up behind the vehicle of the man who attacked her :eek:

What about the Korean woman Su Ya Kim who was murdered after she and her family immigrated here?

I don't know if they came here to get away from dangers in Korea, but I bet it could have had something to do with dangers over there.

What about the Korean woman Su Ya Kim who was murdered after she and her family immigrated here?

I don't know if they came here to get away from dangers in Korea, but I bet it could have had something to do with dangers over there.

....huh?

South Korea is an industrialized nation with one of the lowest crime rates in the world and a western ally. North Korea does not allow its citizens to immigrate, much less to the United States. What're you talking about?

You could put Doyle Wheeler in this category. Don Kemp too.

Gretchen Buford was trying to decrease crime in the gritty downtown LA area.

In the case of the Rodgers women that were murdered by Oba Chandler, if you read the book written about them, "Death Cruise", it states the oldest of the two daughters, Michele, had been raped by her uncle a year before the murder. One of the reasons they took the trip to Florida was to escape all the stuff that had been going on in Ohio, including the rape. We all know the rest, which is that the three Rodgers women go to Tampa and are raped and murdered by Oba Chandler.

Oh Jesus...this case is disgusting. Can you even begin to imagine the fear those women must have felt? Good riddance, Oba Chandler.

There was one specific case that fits this to the tee and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned. I don't know the name of the case but it was this woman who left his husband and family because she had nightmares about getting killed by a man, who she thought was his husband. She moved into another city and worked in a fast food joint and apparently went on a date with a coworker who turned out to be a psycho and he killed her.

There was one specific case that fits this to the tee and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned. I don't know the name of the case but it was this woman who left his husband and family because she had nightmares about getting killed by a man, who she thought was his husband. She moved into another city and worked in a fast food joint and apparently went on a date with a coworker who turned out to be a psycho and he killed her.

Jeanne Molina, and that slimeball Carlos Berdeja.

OT: DarkDante I hate your avatar! lol!

Oh Jesus...this case is disgusting. Can you even begin to imagine the fear those women must have felt? Good riddance, Oba Chandler.

Your absolutely right. Hell was made for people like Oba Chandler. He still maintains his innocence (delusional) and says that his last words will be "Kiss my rosy red ass." What a waste of space he is.

Agreed.

A younger picture of him looks like the Blind River murderer, which makes me hate him even more...

Molly Bish's family moved to a smaller town after a girl was kidnapped from the city they lived in before, only to have their youngest daughter kidnapped and murdered there at her first job.

....huh?

South Korea is an industrialized nation with one of the lowest crime rates in the world and a western ally. North Korea does not allow its citizens to immigrate, much less to the United States. What're you talking about?

I was referring to the tensions between the North and the South there, thats a possible war in very close proximity, I would call it a danger.

We all know the rest, which is that the three Rodgers women go to Tampa and are raped and murdered by Oba Chandler.


Wow. I had no idea about the previous rape incident. So, so sad. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of horror she/they experienced on that day. What an incredibly sad story.

The person that immediatly came to mind was Kristi Krebbs. She had fled from the danger of her car catching on fire when it got stuck(they said it was rare that the car would catch fire in such an incident, but it happened to her not once but twice!!! Incredibly bad luck!!!) only to have god knows what happen to her.

I'm not sure if it has been posted elsewhere, but Oba Chandler was executed about 6 weeks ago by lethal injection. Hopefully that gives some additional closure to the family.

On the subect of Kristi Krebs I've never really known what to say, but I know I wouldn't call it bad luck on her part. I feel badly for her and her family because she obviously had mental issues, not to mention their dispair on losing their daughter.

That being said, WTF!?! The places she got stuck weren't "Opps, I took a right on 3rd street instead of 4th street" types of places. She kept driving miles into the wilderness in vehicles not suited for off-roading/dirt roads. It wasn't bad luck, it was her placing herself in rediculously bad situations. If you kept getting bitten by alligators, would you continue going out into the Everglades in a rubber raft?

Perhaps I'm being a little overly dramatic with my example, but IMO Kristi needed assistance or maybe hospitalization, not better luck.

Molly Bish's family moved to a smaller town after a girl was kidnapped from the city they lived in before, only to have their youngest daughter kidnapped and murdered there at her first job.

Yes, the Bish family originally lived in Detroit which is just a 15 mile drive from where I live. Detroit has always had a bad reputation and while it can sometimes get overblown, the label is justified more often than not.

In regards to the Bish case, this was always the ironic tragic element that ended up leading to Molly's death. The Bish family left Detroit because of the abduction and murder of a girl who, I believe, lived on their street. They moved to Warren, Massachusetts, a small town, where they lived happily for 15 years only to have Molly be raped and murdered there. Molly's mother, through her tears said that if something as horrible as this can happen in Warren, then it can happen anywhere.

This was one of the rare later cases featured on UM that I never forgot. It was so tragic.

Yes, the Bish family originally lived in Detroit which is just a 15 mile drive from where I live. Detroit has always had a bad reputation and while it can sometimes get overblown, the label is justified more often than not.

In regards to the Bish case, this was always the ironic tragic element that ended up leading to Molly's death. The Bish family left Detroit because of the abduction and murder of a girl who, I believe, lived on their street. They moved to Warren, Massachusetts, a small town, where they lived happily for 15 years only to have Molly be raped and murdered there. Molly's mother, through her tears said that if something as horrible as this can happen in Warren, then it can happen anywhere.

This was one of the rare later cases featured on UM that I never forgot. It was so tragic.

Same. It's so upsetting. And I got chills when I read that Molly herself wrote to the family of a murder victim who shared her birth year when she was just a young child. The victim's name was Holly (I forget the last name) but investigators-I believe- are trying or tried to see if there was a connection between the two cases. It's just so sad. Apparently, Molly's abduction only took eight minutes or less, because that's how long it took for the next person to show up to the swimming hole.

Has there been any news about the prime suspect?

Has there been any news about the prime suspect?

Several weeks ago, there was a news article stating that Gerald B. Battistoni could be a possible suspect.

Rodney Stanger was also suggested as a suspect.

Both had access to white sedans (Mrs. Bish had seen a strange man in a car like that at Molly's scene) and were known to be in the area of the Comins Park pond area at the time of Molly's murder.

(Holly Piirainen is the other girl who was murdered before Molly. Molly had written a letter of condolence to Holly's family at the time.)

Jeremy from the Tom Johnson segment comes to mind - survives the attack but is later killed in an accident.

Nyleen Marshall's mother. Nyleen goes missing in 1983, she would have spent 14 years in agony and then gets murdered herself in 1997. Not knowing if Nyleen is even alive or even what happened to her.

This really doesn't apply.. but.. When I saw the topic title, this is what popped into my head.. Because.. This guy didn't succumb to EITHER..

I don't remember his name, but there was a guy during WWII that was on a business trip to Hiroshima.. Survived.. Went back to his home.. In Nagasaki.

And he survived that, too. And just died a few years back at or near the age of 100.

Jeremy from the Tom Johnson segment comes to mind - survives the attack but is later killed in an accident.

Yeah that is awful, I remember hearing about that. Another one I think about is Gilbert Ortiz, although I am reaching here to stay close to on topic. I believe Gilbert is still alive and his ex wife has since been released from prison. Gilbert was brutally attacked multiple times by Jonathan after they were reunited. Sadly Gilbert's ex wife destroyed her son's childhood as well when she fled and took him away from his father.

I was referring to the tensions between the North and the South there, thats a possible war in very close proximity, I would call it a danger.

am I crazy for replying to a post that is 13 years old? yes I am. I see your thought process on that, especially from the outside looking in. They have been under an armistice since the 50's. Sadly there are some family separations. some people that live in the south have family that live in the North and they don't all have contact with one another. Koreans that I have spoken with want to reunite with the north. We only hear negative news reports that cannot be trusted, whether it comes from North Korea or America, i would not trust either source or waste my time with it.

Having lived in Korea myself I never felt war tension when I left the air bases. I believe that South Korea is a safer country than America. I would also argue that in some cases the quality of life is possibly better for the average person. But it is very different and some Americans would not agree with me based on cultural differences. I think that Su-Ya's family actually left America to go back to Korea because it was probably a culture shock to live in New York without Su-Ya.

Well, I know UM has covered a few people who survived successful tours of duty in the military then wound up being murdered once they settled down into civilian life. Matt Flores and Larry Dickens are two of the most tragic examples of this.

This isn't official, but Dottie Caylor had to overcome a debilitating struggle with agoraphobia, but right when she seemed to have beaten her fear, she went missing and (possibly) wound up murdered.

And then there's the special case of Jane Boroski who fled from one danger by surviving a stabbing attack at a rest stop and wound up encountering (though thankfully not succumbing to) the EXACT SAME danger right afterward when she drove off for help and wound by pulling up behind the vehicle of the man who attacked her :eek:

David Cox is also another interesting military connection. I don't know that I would describe him as escaping danger. I don't know if he was ever in a combat theatre. I would be interested to know more about the dangers of G-Bay as they have been alleged to be toxic and dangerous. I don't think it takes an expert to see that it probably was for very a long time. david cox was there and involved in the chaos that was the template used for "A Few Good Men" he somehow got out of all that mess with an honorable discharge, and later was murdered execution style. It is not believed that his murder is related to his military service, but that is a theory for some. His murder like Matt Flores involved circumstances of starting a new career. Both murders are sadly still unsolved.

There was also Brian Deucker, who was running from something, and we'll probably never know what, only to die falling from that plane he jumped onto.

There was also Brian Deucker, who was running from something, and we'll probably never know what, only to die falling from that plane he jumped onto.

that's a good one, and has to be one of the strangest UM segments I've ever seen. the first time that I watched it I remember how odd that it was, but since then I've learned that there have been others who have tried that same thing many times over.

Another segment that I think of is Blair Adams. Not really sure what was fact and fiction from the segment, but the video that they showed at his hotel lobby was very odd.

Poor Brian Deucker. Once he was finally identified, his family revealed that he had been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic at age 22. So whatever he was running from might not have even been real. And it might also help explain why he thought he could hitch a ride on top of the wing of an airplane.

Blair Adams thought his life was in danger from people who wanted to kill him. He left Canada to escape from the murderer(s), took a convoluted trip around the united states, and ended up murdered in a deserted Tennessee parking lot, with no known motive.

The Adams case is always so crazy.....I felt it was always a case of a boyfriend who attacked and killed Adams or an ex boyfriend and maybe he was running away from him and trying to think of ways he wouldnt find him, but he did.