View Full Version : When she learned that Dick York had died


Rezny@gmail.com
08-23-2010, 10:14 AM
What was Elizabeth Montgomery's reaction ?Just curious.I presume she was surprised,shocked,and somewhat devestated..And how did the rest of the cast(including Dick Sargent)react when they heard the news?

catlover79
08-23-2010, 10:37 AM
I wouldn't know. She never spoke publicly about it.

Larry Tate
08-23-2010, 11:12 AM
Why would she be shocked and devastated at the passing of a stranger?, that thought makes no sense whatsoever, of course she would not have that reaction to his passing, for her to do so would not be rational & would not make any sense.

She had no reaction but then why would she?????...........as this was a complete stranger who she simply had once worked with and had not seen or interacted with in almost 25 years, plus at the end Dick York made some very unkind comments towards the show & therefore indirectly towards Liz so her reaction of no comment is the only logical & rational one she could have made.

Dick Sargent had been a longtime close personal friend who she had been very close to in the half dozen or so years prior to his passing so her comment on his passing was a natural & logical one.

Larry Tate :)

What was Elizabeth Montgomery's reaction ?Just curious.I presume she was surprised,shocked,and somewhat devestated..And how did the rest of the cast(including Dick Sargent)react when they heard the news?

Arfies
08-24-2010, 07:11 AM
She may not have spoken to him for years, but I'd hardly call him a "complete stranger." That would be someone one has NEVER met, not someone one had worked closely with for five years.

Publicly, no, she did not make any remarks on York's death that I am aware of.

Rezny@gmail.com
08-24-2010, 09:46 AM
Thanks.Now,Larry Tate,how did the remaining cast members,whom,I presume were closer to Dick York(friendshipwise)than Elizabeth Montgomery, react when THEY heard the news?I mean Bernard Fox,Erin and Diane Murphy,Sandra Gould,and Alice Ghostley(who,as you will recall played maid Naomi in the Dick York as Darrin episode "Maid to Order"-black and white season 2)?

Mr. Television
08-24-2010, 10:28 AM
She may not have spoken to him for years, but I'd hardly call him a "complete stranger." That would be someone one has NEVER met, not someone one had worked closely with for five years.

Publicly, no, she did not make any remarks on York's death that I am aware of.
Yea I agree. There have been many shows were actors die and former cast members are asked about them and they at least give their condolences. Sometimes they haven't seen them in years either. If Liz was asked about him and she said no comment, I think that says a lot. I'm not sure if that was the case though. She might have been closer to Dick Sargent but Dick York was more responsible than he was for the success of Bewitched. She should have at least been grateful for that.

catlover79
08-24-2010, 10:55 AM
Thanks.Now,Larry Tate,how did the remaining cast members,whom,I presume were closer to Dick York(friendshipwise)than Elizabeth Montgomery, react when THEY heard the news?I mean Bernard Fox,Erin and Diane Murphy,Sandra Gould,and Alice Ghostley(who,as you will recall played maid Naomi in the Dick York as Darrin episode "Maid to Order"-black and white season 2)?
Sadness, I assume. We weren't there, so how are we supposed to know intimate details about their off-screen relationships? Most of the cast is long dead so they can't tell us.

Here are some Bewitched-related books and websites you can read to get a bit more insight into things:

http://www.bewitched.net/

http://www.bewitched.net/books3.htm

http://www.bewitched.net/filmfax.htm (Dick York)

http://www.bewitched.net/aggstar.htm (Agnes Moorehead)

http://www.bewitched.net/siteinterv.htm

http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/

catlover79
08-24-2010, 10:57 AM
Yea I agree. There have been many shows were actors die and former cast members are asked about them and they at least give their condolences. Sometimes they haven't seen them in years either. If Liz was asked about him and she said no comment, I think that says a lot. I'm not sure if that was the case though. She might have been closer to Dick Sargent but Dick York was more responsible than he was for the success of Bewitched. She should have at least been grateful for that.
That's how I feel, too. After all, it was her chemistry with DY that played a HUGE part in the show's success.

lucyandethel
08-24-2010, 01:22 PM
Montgomery wasn't particularly fond of York. I think they had an amicable relationship when they were working together, but I think York's problems on the set the last year or so he was on the show was a strain for Montgomery and the show's director, William Asher. His addiction to pain killers for his back resulted in many delays in filming. Asher was hesitant to let York go from his contract because he felt York was a good comedic actor. Liz wanted him out.

The one thing I never understood is how Liz Montgomery went on to rave about Dick Sargent and I have to say, he was perhaps one of the dullest actors to ever appear in a sitcom. Reportedly, Agnes Moorehead HATED Dick Sargent....

Mr. Television
08-24-2010, 01:43 PM
Montgomery wasn't particularly fond of York. I think they had an amicable relationship when they were working together, but I think York's problems on the set the last year or so he was on the show was a strain for Montgomery and the show's director, William Asher. His addiction to pain killers for his back resulted in many delays in filming. Asher was hesitant to let York go from his contract because he felt York was a good comedic actor. Liz wanted him out.

The one thing I never understood is how Liz Montgomery went on to rave about Dick Sargent and I have to say, he was perhaps one of the dullest actors to ever appear in a sitcom. Reportedly, Agnes Moorehead HATED Dick Sargent....
I'll never understand that. Dick York was in considerable amount of pain. I know the show must go on but there should be some kind of sympathy there. He tried to stay on the show until it was virtually impossible for him to continue. I agree with you about Dick sargent. While I did like him in some guest appearances on some other shows I thought he was awful on Bewitched. He always came across as so angry.

catlover79
08-24-2010, 01:52 PM
I'll never understand that. Dick York was in considerable amount of pain. I know the show must go on but there should be some kind of sympathy there. He tried to stay on the show until it was virtually impossible for him to continue. I agree with you about Dick sargent. While I did like him in some guest appearances on some other shows I thought he was awful on Bewitched. He always came across as so angry.
I agree. DS always looked like he was phoning it in, but then again, he never got many good scripts to work with.

Larry Tate
08-25-2010, 02:56 AM
One Agnes Moorehead did not hate Dick Sargent but she did hate the idea of any change on the role as she felt it worked well, this had nothing to do with the actor recast for the role, but rather the role being recast period.

I agree with Liz when she stated that Dick Sargent did a great job & filled in wonderfully for the ably replaced Dick York.

Clearly Dick York played Darrin with at least 3 times as much anger towards Samantha & the use of Witchcraft in general as Dick York was yelling & Screaming at Samantha & the other Witches while Dick Sargent merely was upset and wanted things fixed but never went hysterically angry as Dick York constantly did.

The idea that Dick Sargent ever gave less then his best intentionally in a performance on Bewitched is laughable.

The vast majority of the scripts that Dick Sargent had to work with were excellent & top notch.

This is symantics, after 25 years of not having anything to do with someone who was never a friend but merely someone she worked with compared to a close longtime personal friend that Dick Sargent was to Liz clearly shows why Liz commented on Dick Sargent's passing as she did as well re Alice Pierce & Agnes Moorehead but did not re Dick Yorks passing as she did not about other members of the cast who passed away such as Paul Lynde (whose funeral she did not attend) and others.

There was no need to make a Public comment on Dick Yorks passing all these decades later & who contributed what success to the show has zero to do with who she should have commented on or not, it should be passed on personal feelings not rating points & $$$$ garnered by a cast member the later is irrelevant.

She did not rave about Dick Sargent she spoke very positively about him when he was on the show as she did about Dick York when he was on the show.

She was contacted by the press after DS passed but i don't believe the same interest was there with the media in that respect with DY when he passed in regards to contacting Liz then.

Larry Tate :)

catlover79
08-25-2010, 04:44 PM
I said it LOOKED like he was phoning it in, not that he actually was. It may just be a question of preferring one Darrin over the other, but to be honest, DS just never was "Darrin" to me. Besides, I liked DS in other roles he did, like his guest spots on shows like Dukes of Hazzard, Charlie's Angels and Family Ties.

Mr. Television
08-25-2010, 04:49 PM
I said it LOOKED like he was phoning it in, not that he actually was. It may just be a question of preferring one Darrin over the other, but to be honest, DS just never was "Darrin" to me. Besides, I liked DS in other roles he did, like his guest spots on shows like Dukes of Hazzard, Charlie's Angels and Family Ties.
and Three's Company. He played a sleeze quite well. lol

catlover79
08-25-2010, 04:51 PM
and Three's Company. He played a sleeze quite well. lol
Didn't he play Suzanne Somers' boyfriend, who turned out to be married?

Mr. Television
08-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Didn't he play Suzanne Somers' boyfriend, who turned out to be married?
yea and at the end, she pours coffee all over him. :lol:

catlover79
08-25-2010, 04:59 PM
yea and at the end, she pours coffee all over him. :lol:
I thought so - thanks!

Larry Tate
08-26-2010, 03:57 AM
Ok, Weeeeeeeeeeeell..........i don't think he looked like he was phoning it in or actually doing so, quite the opposite, he was there in all senses of the word.

I thought to me he was Darrin every bit as much as Dick York was.

Larry Tate :)

I said it LOOKED like he was phoning it in, not that he actually was. It may just be a question of preferring one Darrin over the other, but to be honest, DS just never was "Darrin" to me. Besides, I liked DS in other roles he did, like his guest spots on shows like Dukes of Hazzard, Charlie's Angels and Family Ties.

catlover79
08-26-2010, 11:58 AM
Ok, Weeeeeeeeeeeell..........i don't think he looked like he was phoning it in or actually doing so, quite the opposite, he was there in all senses of the word.

I thought to me he was Darrin every bit as much as Dick York was.

Larry Tate :)
Well, like I said, everyone has their own point of view. :nod:

Larry Tate
08-26-2010, 12:55 PM
Yup and i just expressed my view on the matter.
Dick Sargent Rocked as Darrin.

Larry Tate :)

MickeyMac
08-26-2010, 03:29 PM
Does it matter who liked whom or who didnt???


Does it matter if people like Dick York better than Dick Sargent???



Just enjoy the show, and call it a day.

Larry Tate
08-26-2010, 03:57 PM
No not at all, i liked Dick York better then Dick Sargent in a relative sense, however i liked both of them very much, there is nothing wrong with saying so & posting positively about Dick Sargent, negative posts about him are not the only ones allowed here or anywhere else, even though many Yorkies would prefer their hatred laced diatribes against him to be the only posts allowed in respect to Dick Sargent.

I do not refer to any posts or posters in my comments of those Yorkies i refer too who shall remain nameless. ;)

Larry Tate :)

Does it matter who liked whom or who didnt???


Does it matter if people like Dick York better than Dick Sargent???



Just enjoy the show, and call it a day.

Mr. Television
08-26-2010, 04:33 PM
No not at all, i liked Dick York better then Dick Sargent in a relative sense, however i liked both of them very much, there is nothing wrong with saying so & posting positively about Dick Sargent, negative posts about him are not the only ones allowed here or anywhere else, even though many Yorkies would prefer their hatred laced diatribes against him to be the only posts allowed in respect to Dick Sargent.

I do not refer to any posts or posters in my comments of those Yorkies i refer too who shall remain nameless. ;)

Larry Tate :)
You're entitled to your opinion. I actually can respect that. It's good that you can enjoy the entire series like that.

novarrofan
09-03-2010, 05:19 AM
Once again this is all your own opinion, please preface these statements with a "I feel" or "I believe" Your statement about Dick York being a "stranger" was also of course way off but then again we have all learnt here your very aggressive bias towards the Dick Sargent Darrin

One Agnes Moorehead did not hate Dick Sargent but she did hate the idea of any change on the role as she felt it worked well, this had nothing to do with the actor recast for the role, but rather the role being recast period.

I agree with Liz when she stated that Dick Sargent did a great job & filled in wonderfully for the ably replaced Dick York.

Clearly Dick York played Darrin with at least 3 times as much anger towards Samantha & the use of Witchcraft in general as Dick York was yelling & Screaming at Samantha & the other Witches while Dick Sargent merely was upset and wanted things fixed but never went hysterically angry as Dick York constantly did.

The idea that Dick Sargent ever gave less then his best intentionally in a performance on Bewitched is laughable.

The vast majority of the scripts that Dick Sargent had to work with were excellent & top notch.

This is symantics, after 25 years of not having anything to do with someone who was never a friend but merely someone she worked with compared to a close longtime personal friend that Dick Sargent was to Liz clearly shows why Liz commented on Dick Sargent's passing as she did as well re Alice Pierce & Agnes Moorehead but did not re Dick Yorks passing as she did not about other members of the cast who passed away such as Paul Lynde (whose funeral she did not attend) and others.

There was no need to make a Public comment on Dick Yorks passing all these decades later & who contributed what success to the show has zero to do with who she should have commented on or not, it should be passed on personal feelings not rating points & $$$$ garnered by a cast member the later is irrelevant.

She did not rave about Dick Sargent she spoke very positively about him when he was on the show as she did about Dick York when he was on the show.

She was contacted by the press after DS passed but i don't believe the same interest was there with the media in that respect with DY when he passed in regards to contacting Liz then.

Larry Tate :)

Larry Tate
09-03-2010, 11:36 AM
Once again if i want your opinion on how or what i post i will ask for it, till
then you can stifle & keep your your views in regards to me to yourself as i could not care what your twisted views on anything are in regards to myself.

You are a troll and have no business directing a post at a particular poster instead of just expressing a view on a Bewitched subject, who do you think you are that gives you the right to criticize another poster directly.

Who do you think you are & what makes you think you have the right to dictate to someone else what & how they can post and directly attack them.

You may once again crawl back under your rock now.

As for your aggressive bias and twisted hatred towards Dick Sargent that is well documented whenever you troll by to post which thankfully is seldom.

I on the other hand have an even handed fact based view of the two Darrin's, i even prefer Dick York, enjoyed & admired both & don't feel as you do that one has to hate one to be a fan of another, now that is twisted.

Dick York was a stranger to Liz all these almost 25 years later when he passed, if she had flown half way across the country at that time now that would have been odd & strange & made no sense.

The fact that in the spring of 1971 when he asked back into the show after leaving, was denied & then Bitched at Liz & the show in an interview about the unpleasant atmosphere on the set, how he was unhappy with how he was being used in the show as in underused & how he wanted to go onto other & better things sure would have made Liz say throughout those 25 years hey i got to give good ol Dick a call, i don't think sooooooooooo.

These are facts not opinions so deal with them if you can.

Larry Tate

Once again this is all your own opinion, please preface these statements with a "I feel" or "I believe" Your statement about Dick York being a "stranger" was also of course way off but then again we have all learnt here your very aggressive bias towards the Dick Sargent Darrin

Arfies
09-03-2010, 12:03 PM
With all due respect, Larry, that's kind of harsh, isn't it? Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't noticed any "trolling" on novarrofan's part.

Also, where specifically (which magazine/newspaper/date/page etc.- I like sources) did you hear about the spring 1971 thing? I know York asked to return, but didn't know when. Thanks!

Larry Tate
09-03-2010, 12:21 PM
Well disappearing for 6 months at a time & then only showing up to push a biased agenda in regards to the show & personally attack anyone who expresses a different perspective as if only his is allowed to be expressed, well that is pretty much a definition of trolling.

I don't think it is harsh at all but a very accurate portrayal of the troll.

It was late May, 1971 after DY had already left, Dick Sargent had been signed & had filmed several episodes by then, this has been all reprinted in several books on TV Shows when they referenced Bewitched in them as well.

I have 0ver 550 articles & interviews re Liz, i am not going to go through them all to make a footnote to my post, it is widely known & reported as factual, i don't need to prove what is already known and accepted as fact.

York said it & the reality of how one reacts to such comments is obvious, someone you just work with who you have no personal relationship with even as a friend basically insults you & your show, how would you react?........same as Liz did no doubt.

Larry Tate :)

With all due respect, Larry, that's kind of harsh, isn't it? Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't noticed any "trolling" on novarrofan's part.

Also, where specifically (which magazine/newspaper/date/page etc.- I like sources) did you hear about the spring 1971 thing? I know York asked to return, but didn't know when. Thanks!

Larry Tate
09-03-2010, 01:09 PM
Thanks, well it is not heard to be entertained by & enjoy an entire series when each of the seasons of the series and for that matter all of it's episodes are at the very least, very good. :)

Larry Tate :)

You're entitled to your opinion. I actually can respect that. It's good that you can enjoy the entire series like that.

catlover79
09-03-2010, 03:08 PM
Once again if i want your opinion on how or what i post i will ask for it, till
then you can stifle & keep your your views in regards to me to yourself as i could not care what your twisted views on anything are in regards to myself.

You are a troll and have no business directing a post at a particular poster instead of just expressing a view on a Bewitched subject, who do you think you are that gives you the right to criticize another poster directly.

Who do you think you are & what makes you think you have the right to dictate to someone else what & how they can post and directly attack them.

You may once again crawl back under your rock now.

As for your aggressive bias and twisted hatred towards Dick Sargent that is well documented whenever you troll by to post which thankfully is seldom.

I on the other hand have an even handed fact based view of the two Darrin's, i even prefer Dick York, enjoyed & admired both & don't feel as you do that one has to hate one to be a fan of another, now that is twisted.

Dick York was a stranger to Liz all these almost 25 years later when he passed, if she had flown half way across the country at that time now that would have been odd & strange & made no sense.

The fact that in the spring of 1971 when he asked back into the show after leaving, was denied & then Bitched at Liz & the show in an interview about the unpleasant atmosphere on the set, how he was unhappy with how he was being used in the show as in underused & how he wanted to go onto other & better things sure would have made Liz say throughout those 25 years hey i got to give good ol Dick a call, i don't think sooooooooooo.

These are facts not opinions so deal with them if you can.

Larry Tate
Those "rock" and "troll" comments were uncalled for. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions and they don't deserve to be insulted. This isn't the first time I've had complaints about the things you've said to others on this board. Consider this a warning - you come off as "holier than thou" and "know it all" - and it's annoying as all get out. Cut it out or you'll be looking at a suspension.

Larry Tate
09-03-2010, 03:55 PM
What is annoying is you not doing your job as a moderator, what about someone personally directing a post at another poster in a negative attack way do YOU not understand, if you were doing YOUR job as soon as someone attacked someone & directed a post directly at someone you would WARN THEM and delete their post so I would not have to respond and defend myself against personal attacks because YOU DID NOT DO YOUR JOB.

So what people have been complaining that they can not personally attack & insult me with out a reply is that what you are so upset about?????

Janice told you NO personal attacks yet you do nothing.

How would you like it for me to tell you what to & how to post HA, .

Anyone is allowed to post anything on any Bewitched related matter on this board & others can likewise post dissenting views but not by attacking the original poster, what about that do you not understand.

I never try to stop anyone else from posting, this creature is trying to stop me from posting what it doesn't agree with, not by simply posting a different view on the matter but by attacking me & trying to harass me into not posting a view that it does not agree with.

So you don't like that i am knowledgeable and who the heck are you to say another posters posts are not acceptable because YOU find them annoying, because you don't agree with them and they don't slober all over DY.

What i find annoying is your incompetence to undertake the most basic premise of a moderator, protect all posters from abuse so they don't have to respond & defend themselves from personal attacks, i should not have to reply to something like this thing, you should be the one dealing with such a personal attack so NO response by myself is needed.

You have fallen short of the most basic requirement of a moderator IN MY VIEW.

Go ahead forward all the relevant posts posts to Janice, i would like to hear from her that she felt this thing's post/attacks against me were ok.

NO poster has the right to tell what another poster might post or think or feel about the theme involved so only their view is stated, that is exactly what is happening here by this thing.

You say he is entitled to his opinion, fair enough but only about aspects of the show not me or any other poster in a personal sense.

My comments towards it were accurate.

You say everyone is entitled to their opinion, apparently not me which all i was doing and was attacked for.

And yes i do know more about Bewitched then all of you put together, deal with it & learn from it.!!!!!


Those "rock" and "troll" comments were uncalled for. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions and they don't deserve to be insulted. This isn't the first time I've had complaints about the things you've said to others on this board. Consider this a warning - you come off as "holier than thou" and "know it all" - and it's annoying as all get out. Cut it out or you'll be looking at a suspension.

Dianne3
09-03-2010, 04:45 PM
I was lurking on SO & this thread caught my attention and the controversy at the end compelled me to post.

I can't comment on this specific controversy so therefore I can't comment on the mods here. However, Larry Tate's comment about mods not doing their jobs does apply to other areas of the boards so that is why I am posting this.

I do find SO has a lot of mods (more then probably needed), however they rarely get involved when there are situations they should. I am talking about situations when certain people want to talk about something, other posters belittle their interest yet the mods do nothing. Although I am talking about a particular situation, I am not going to go into details here. I just don't post on that particular board, however I do post on on other boards.

Zoneboy
09-03-2010, 05:01 PM
I was lurking on SO & this thread caught my attention and the controversy at the end compelled me to post.

I can't comment on this specific controversy so therefore I can't comment on the mods here. However, Larry Tate's comment about mods not doing their jobs does apply to other areas of the boards so that is why I am posting this.

I do find SO has a lot of mods (more then probably needed), however they rarely get involved when there are situations they should. I am talking about situations when certain people want to talk about something, other posters belittle their interest yet the mods do nothing. Although I am talking about a particular situation, I am not going to go into details here. I just don't post on that particular board, however I do post on on other boards.


The mods here do the best they can and are not perfect. I'm only assigned to 3 boards and very rarely have any issues. Mods also often have to rely on others to report problems and they're dealt with ASAP. If you or Larry Tate think the mods aren't doing their jobs then you need to send a PM to one of the Administrators and let them deal with it.

catlover79
09-03-2010, 06:33 PM
The mods here do the best they can and are not perfect. I'm only assigned to 3 boards and very rarely have any issues. Mods also often have to rely on others to report problems and they're dealt with ASAP. If you or Larry Tate think the mods aren't doing their jobs then you need to send a PM to one of the Administrators and let them deal with it.
I moderate two boards (this and the Barney Miller board), and am also in the process of recovering from injuries I got in a horrific car accident (plus job-hunting). I do the best I can. Like Charles said, feel free send PMs to TJ, Janice, Seth and/or Pavan (the administrators) at any time - and many a time people don't report incidents to us.

Mr. Television
09-03-2010, 07:05 PM
I was lurking on SO & this thread caught my attention and the controversy at the end compelled me to post.

I can't comment on this specific controversy so therefore I can't comment on the mods here. However, Larry Tate's comment about mods not doing their jobs does apply to other areas of the boards so that is why I am posting this.

I do find SO has a lot of mods (more then probably needed), however they rarely get involved when there are situations they should. I am talking about situations when certain people want to talk about something, other posters belittle their interest yet the mods do nothing. Although I am talking about a particular situation, I am not going to go into details here. I just don't post on that particular board, however I do post on on other boards.
Of course you are talking about the Sports Board and I know who else you are talking about. That and the politics board have always had more leeway with what is allowed. If things get too out of hand then you report the posts. The moderators here do a great job. They aren't perfect but they should have everyone's respect.

catlover79
09-03-2010, 07:09 PM
Of course you are talking about the Sports Board and I know who else you are talking about. That and the politics board have always had more leeway with what is allowed. If things get too out of hand then you report the posts. The moderators here do a great job. They aren't perfect but they should have everyone's respect.
Thank you, Sonny!!!!!!

novarrofan
09-03-2010, 07:11 PM
Don't worry about it Arfies, this individual is well known for his attitude towards those that have differing opinins to his own., He /she has displayed an open contempt for other Bewitched fans on numerous occasion here and for the record he is the one that spends his days trolling around on this site while the rest of us have lives outside of Bewitched to led.Frequency of posting here is indeed a bizzare argument to use when trying to put someone down Just ignore him and continue to join in the fun here with balanced fans of this great show

.With all due respect, Larry, that's kind of harsh, isn't it? Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't noticed any "trolling" on novarrofan's part.

Also, where specifically (which magazine/newspaper/date/page etc.- I like sources) did you hear about the spring 1971 thing? I know York asked to return, but didn't know when. Thanks!

catlover79
09-03-2010, 07:12 PM
Don't worry about it Arfies, this individual is well known for his attitude towards those that have differing opinins to his own., He /she has displayed an open contempt for other Bewitched fans on numerous occasion here and for the record he is the one that spends his days trolling around on this site while the rest of us have lives outside of Bewitched to led.Frequency of posting here is indeed a bizzare argument to use when trying to put someone down Just ignore him and continue to join in the fun here with balanced fans of this great show

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Yes, and I'm doing the best I can to get it resolved.

novarrofan
09-03-2010, 07:20 PM
Don't worry about it Catlover, you are a great moderator. This individual is well known and when i simply state he needs to say "I Believe" or "I feel" rather then "this is the way it is" in front of his statements he says its a personal attack.Ironically then he turns around and refers to me as a "creature" and he's screaming about persoanl attacks directed at him. Amazing how hypocritical some individuals can be What I said was a a necessary correction which others have also said in the past to him regarding his "know all and I'm right" attitude. He calls other people postings or particular threads as quote "idiotic" and then screams when people pull him up on things. A real lack of maturity is evident there which no of us can fix for him unfortunately. It's especially sad when we all love Bewitched and are all very knowledgable about the series and he shows continual contempt for others thoughts and opinions here.

Those "rock" and "troll" comments were uncalled for. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions and they don't deserve to be insulted. This isn't the first time I've had complaints about the things you've said to others on this board. Consider this a warning - you come off as "holier than thou" and "know it all" - and it's annoying as all get out. Cut it out or you'll be looking at a suspension.

Mr. Television
09-03-2010, 07:24 PM
Thank you, Sonny!!!!!!
You're welcome Monika. :)

novarrofan
09-03-2010, 07:28 PM
You do a fine job here Catlover! So sorry to hear about your terrible mishap, hope you have recovered ok from it Also I love the pic you use on your postings of Samantha and Tabitha. I've never seen that shot before!

I moderate two boards (this and the Barney Miller board), and am also in the process of recovering from injuries I got in a horrific car accident (plus job-hunting). I do the best I can. Like Charles said, feel free send PMs to TJ, Janice, Seth and/or Pavan (the administrators) at any time - and many a time people don't report incidents to us.

catlover79
09-03-2010, 07:31 PM
You do a fine job here Catlover! Also I love the pic you use of Samantha and Tabitha. I've never seen that shot before!
Thanks! I found that pic on a random Google image search.

novarrofan
09-03-2010, 07:36 PM
Erin Murphy was I think the most adorable baby on television in the 1960's but she sure was a pretty little girl in the early 1970's too. I loved it when she wore her hair in plaits like in that photo. I do remember that episode. She looks so much like Elizabeth Montgomery!!

Thanks! I found that pic on a random Google image search.

catlover79
09-03-2010, 07:45 PM
She looks so much like Elizabeth Montgomery!!
Yup, she did then and still does to this day!! :cool: :D

70s show watcher
09-03-2010, 08:01 PM
I'll never understand that. Dick York was in considerable amount of pain. I know the show must go on but there should be some kind of sympathy there. He tried to stay on the show until it was virtually impossible for him to continue. I agree with you about Dick sargent. While I did like him in some guest appearances on some other shows I thought he was awful on Bewitched. He always came across as so angry.my aunt said that he came across like a conceited stick in the mud

70s show watcher
09-03-2010, 08:12 PM
i have what might be called an odd take on the whole dick york dick sargent thing i always thought dick york was a better actor overall but for some reason i liked dick sargent better as darrin

catlover79
09-03-2010, 08:18 PM
i have what might be called an odd take on the whole dick york dick sargent thing i always thought dick york was a better actor overall but for some reason i liked dick sargent better as darrin
There's nothing wrong with that. Like I said, we all have our different tastes.

Arfies
09-03-2010, 08:49 PM
I hope you're feeling better, catlover79!

catlover79
09-03-2010, 08:54 PM
I hope you're feeling better, catlover79!
Thanks! I have my good days and bad days.

Larry Tate
09-03-2010, 09:48 PM
Right well respect has to earned & there is nothing to respect when a Mod calls a member names & insults them & is AWOL on the job in terms of doing their job, & seems more interested in protecting abusers rather those being attacked, there is nothing to be respected in such conduct.

Larry Tate

Of course you are talking about the Sports Board and I know who else you are talking about. That and the politics board have always had more leeway with what is allowed. If things get too out of hand then you report the posts. The moderators here do a great job. They aren't perfect but they should have everyone's respect.

McGillicuddy
09-03-2010, 09:51 PM
I never knew Dick York wanted to return to Bewitched in 1971! Was he in better health then? It doesn't sound like he was being reasonable at the time, bad mouthing Montgomery and the show. And did he expect Dick Sargent to just step aside?

catlover79
09-03-2010, 09:57 PM
Right well respect has to earned & there is nothing to respect when a Mod calls a member names & insults them & is AWOL on the job in terms of doing their job, & seems more interested in protecting abusers rather those being attacked, there is nothing to be respected in such conduct.

Larry Tate
I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer. If you think I'm doing such a crummy job, take it up with TJ, Janice, Seth or Pavan.

novarrofan
09-03-2010, 10:03 PM
Catlover, just ignore him he is not worth the effort. You do a great job on here and we all I'm sure appreciate your efforts. This individual is spoiling this page for everyone and is an especially terrible example to anyone coming on to this Bewitched page for the first time.

I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer. If you think I'm doing such a crummy job, take it up with TJ, Janice, Seth or Pavan.

Mr. Television
09-03-2010, 10:04 PM
Right well respect has to earned & there is nothing to respect when a Mod calls a member names & insults them & is AWOL on the job in terms of doing their job, & seems more interested in protecting abusers rather those being attacked, there is nothing to be respected in such conduct.

Larry Tate
Look she's not getting paid to be a moderator here. She has a life and no moderator should be expected to be here 24 hours a day. If somebody is insulting someone then report it and it will go to the administrators as well as the moderators. I didn't see anything wrong with what she said. You do have a know-it-all type of attitude that rubs people the wrong way. You know a lot about Bewitched but I wish you could be nicer to people who don't share your viewpoint.

Larry Tate
09-03-2010, 10:08 PM
The point is that i offer a balanced overall view of the show, unlike those that seem to feel they have to hate one aspect of the show to like another & give a skewed inaccurate perspective on the show with it being only their perspective that is allowed to be expressed.

I express my view, others are free to express theirs with the difference i do not personally flame the other perspectives poster while this other person does almost automatically in an effort to make only their view heard, that is the difference between me & he.

It is amusing when someone try's to transpose their conduct, actions & way of being on the other that is the opposite of what they are trying to transpose on them, just reverse the comments & you will nearer the far in regards to both party's.

Being active & dedicated to a site is not trolling, coming on a site just to flame & attack those it does not agree with every 6 months are so is what is the definition of trolling.

Catlover and others are on the site almost constantly, so i assume you regard her as a troll.

The only contempt i have shown for those are the trolls who try to force their views on others in a hateful & abusive mode.

Larry Tate

Don't worry about it Arfies, this individual is well known for his attitude towards those that have differing opinins to his own., He /she has displayed an open contempt for other Bewitched fans on numerous occasion here and for the record he is the one that spends his days trolling around on this site while the rest of us have lives outside of Bewitched to led.Frequency of posting here is indeed a bizzare argument to use when trying to put someone down Just ignore him and continue to join in the fun here with balanced fans of this great show

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McGillicuddy
09-03-2010, 10:11 PM
Catlover, just ignore him he is not worth the effort. You do a great job on here and we all I'm sure appreciate your efforts. This individual is spoiling this page for everyone and is an especially terrible example to anyone coming on to this Bewitched page for the first time.
Well said Navarro, Monica just ignore LT.

I am frustrated though because I appriciate Larry Tate's insights and info, I wish he would just let it go and get back to the discussion of Bewitched!

Larry Tate
09-03-2010, 10:21 PM
I can be tough on viewpoints i do not agree with which is my prerogative but i leave the humans out of it as all should, i only get tough on them when they are attacking me which again is my right.

A person has a right to defend themselves from personal attack.

As for a Mod if they can not keep the members of a board from flaming each other then they don't belong as a Mod, simple as that, this is the most basic fundamental responsibility of a MOD, protect all from each other.

No one is saying anyone has to be there 24/7, of course not, but when they know of a situation and do nothing then that is just not acceptable no matter who the Mod is.

It is not hard, a negative comment directed at a person rather then an idea is deleted & the poster warned, the situation this way is resolved in of itself, no response is needed & this kind of a mess does not occur.

I have strong convictions in regards to the show & am not wishy washy about it but quite frankly others here stick more to their guns on a matter then i such as on should Liz have called DY, is she to blame for that who was the best Darrin etc.

There is nothing wrong with having strong convictions and i have the same right to them as others, besides i can't help it if i am right about things.

Besides on factual matters i am not going to water things down if i know them to be accurate, such as did Liz & Bill plan to quit the show after season 5.

Her comments were insulting, uncalled for, unmoderated & unwitchly & yes annoying could be a word used for the extreme loyalty used by fans of DY at times but i never used it towards the Yorkies on the board.

Larry Tate

Look she's not getting paid to be a moderator here. She has a life and no moderator should be expected to be here 24 hours a day. If somebody is insulting someone then report it and it will go to the administrators as well as the moderators. I didn't see anything wrong with what she said. You do have a know-it-all type of attitude that rubs people the wrong way. You know a lot about Bewitched but I wish you could be nicer to people who don't share your viewpoint.