I had a problem with user videojoe


We agreed on a trade

He received mine 3 weeks and i have the email were he said he got it and it looked great. He told me more then once he was sending mine and didnt
either time and failed to even contact me to tell me he was busy and couldnt send he just ignored it until i had to respond to him
a week later he did this twice it has draw out for almost a month. I told them i thought he should have told me that he was busy by sending a
quick message telling me he didnt get to mail it and that would have sufficed.
Yesterday he called me names and said he wasnt going to send my disks, in fact he said he is returning my disk i had sent to him which
is pointless because we all know he could copy it.

I then of course responded with names of my own after realizing he screwed me

Of course i understand this is a hobby and people get busy and that is ok my only point was that he should have politely emailed me or posted on here
that he was busy and would have a delay that wouldnt have been a problem.

I am new here so didnt know how to handle that and i know he will try to hold that against me .

thank you for your time

Mr Pitt

Okay folks, now my turn.

As I figured would happen, new trader MrPitt elected to show his lack of experience in the trading hobby and post a bad trader thread about me. I was willing to let the bad experience I had with him not be a public issue, but since he decided to post, and list a whole series of inaccuracies, I have little choice but to help set the record straight.

First, let me point out what claims MrPitt made that were correct. We did agree on a trade. He had responded, just as Konfusion has, to my post requesting someone to tape Ralph Emery Live for me off of RFD-TV. I wanted to have my bases covered, so I decided to have both traders tape it for me, even though I knew this would double the amount of discs I would have to sent out. MrPitt is also correct in that he sent me my end of the trade, which was 1 disc containing 2 episodes. In return, he was to receive 5 discs of anything I had in my collection. So a 5 for 1. But that's where the accuracies end and the twists and omissions begin.

Since I was the one that requested the trade, and since it's generally policy to do so, I was planning on being the one that sent first. As it turned out, MrPitt sent me the disc without receiving his. The problem with that was that it started the clock as to when I needed to get his 5 discs done. As many of you know that trade with me, I am not only a professional videographer and photographer, but I also host my own radio show in the Seattle area. Plus my company partners with local libraries and other organizations to bring celebrity oriented events to the Northwest. So the trading hobby is something that I unfortunately have very little time to do these days. It's why I have to turn down many requests and why I have to request things very selectively.

Back to this trade though, MrPitt had picked out 5 titles he wanted. Kids Inc. I told him I had maybe only 4 or 5 discs of it. He said to send him whatever I had and that he would like the series Our House to fill out the trade. So that was the plan. I pulled my folder with Kids Inc in it and it turned out that I had 5 discs of it exactly. So I started burning them for him.

MrPitt had emailed me around this time and asked if I was ready to send his discs out yet and I said that I had 3 Kids Inc. discs done and that I would burn the other 2 I had and get them out to him the next day. That never happened.

It never happened because he then instructed me to stop burning Kids Inc. and instead he wanted Our House, asking that I stop at whatever number of Kids Inc. I am at and fill the rest of the trade up with Our House and that he wanted Our House from here on out. I told him that was fine.

This is where the delay came into play. I had only pulled the Kids Inc. stuff because when I looked through the folder, I was there was 5 discs, enough to complete the first trade. So for him to decide midstream that he wanted something different, involved me going and pulling the Our House stuff, which isn't as quick and easy for me as one might think. I know that all of us that have thousands and thousands of discs have different ways of storing. Our House is something that I never put into a folder, so it has been sitting in a spool. One of literally hundreds of spools that I have. So it takes time for me to find the stuff.

If MrPitt had just stuck with the original choices he made on what he wanted, he would have long been through watching his discs from me. Instead, he switched it up and then tore into me for not being quick enough.

To put this into a timeframe context, let me address MrPitt's claim of how long he's been waiting since he sent me my disc. I received an email from him on 8/3, just two weeks ago. I told him that I would have his discs out that Friday, the 6th. Because my company was busy co-sponsoring a local car show and street fair that weekend, it ended up making it so that I didn't get it finished and sent.

On August 9th, just last Monday, he contacted me to ask if I got the disc. It showed up on August 10th and I wrote him on August 11th to tell him that I received it and also to tell him that 4 discs of Kids Inc (the 5th didn't end up burning for me) and 1 disc of Our House was done and would be sent out on 8/13. He then replied with this, and this is a direct quote:

"since you havent sent them yet would i be able make that maybe 3 our house and 2 kids inc i would appreciate it if its not to late"

This after I already had put all of the discs away and burned 5 for him. He basically wanted me to eat half of the Kids Inc discs that I burned for him and burn an additional two discs. But I told him I would accommodate him but I never promised that they would be out that week.

Flash forward to just two days ago. MrPitt contacts me with these gems:

"Ok well it shouldnt take two weeks to burn 5 discs.
Its really more that you shouldnt tell me you are going to mail it twice now and then just leave me hanging waiting for me to respond
I think its only fair that if you say you are going to mail something on a certain day and you dont you should have enough courtesy to at least shoot me a line."

and

"i have two jobs and two kids so to say you dont have time to email and say you cant mail them is ridiculous."

and

"And i am not bent out of shape all i asked was that if you cant mail it when you say you are just show enough decency to email and say that, you clearly are not getting the point.

and

"And I have appeared on Nationally syndicated televisions shows mutliple ones that require 14 hour days of shooting and national commercials which i shot 16 hour days and i always had a minute to respond so please dont act like you dont have time because of a radio show."

I tried reasoning with MrPitt, letting him know that he should take some responsibility as to why the delay, being that he kept changing his mind as to what we wanted and how much of it. But he kept getting more and more abusive and aggressive.

Lastly, let's talk about his claim that I was not going to send him his discs and instead just send him his back. This is true, but what was said, more than once by me, before that was that I wasn't going to keep arguing with him and that I would send his discs out today and that he needn't keep taping for me because once he gets his 5 discs our trading is complete. It didn't stop him from sending email after email, minutes apart, accusing me of all sorts of things, blaming me, skewing the facts and timetables. And I finally told him that if he wrote me one more time, I was just going to send his Ralph Emery disc back and that would be the end of it. I told him to leave me alone, that I would email him his tracking number today, and that there didn't need to be anymore of this finger pointing and antics from him. I made very clear that if he contacted me again, his disc was coming back to him. Well, he couldn't help himself and he decided to contact me again. So, here we are.

I have traded on this site for over 3 years. Nobody has ever left me negative feedback or a trader warning. MrPitt has 3 posts to his credit (two of them regarding me) and two months as a member of our community.

He has demonstrated himself to be impatient, tantrum prone, and doesn't possess the qualities that I think most traders want to deal with.

MrPitt would have had some credibility here had he not changed his mind, twice, about what he wanted these 5 discs to consist of. That and his ability to make a two week long issue seem like two months.

For the record, MrPitt doesn't know how to dub things over, as the beginning intro of Ralph Emery, on both episodes, is cut off. That wasn't a big issue for me so I didn't mention it to him. But others might want to keep that in mind if they trade with him. As old timers know about the importance of lead-in space.

And while some of you might not agree with my decision to just sent his disc back (which I did not copy. No need to as Konfusion taped the same thing for me), I chose to not let this hobby be something where someone feels they have the right to berate and make repeated contacts after the resolution to the issue has been resolved and warnings to not keep with the unwanted contact was made clear. He chose to mess this trade up for himself, right to the end. Abuse is something none of us should have to tolerate from any trader. Especially when it's not warranted.

If you trade with MrPitt, do so at your own risk. And time, of which much has been taken from mine in having to write this long response. He obviously is quick to do it. Again, be aware.

So again why doesn't videoJoe send the disks he had completed. If it was all too much of a bother you should have just sent him what he asked for originally. Returning the disks he sent you is moronic. It's up to you to complete your end oif the trade.... whatever that is or what you decide it is.

Once again Atlas, your contribution is impressive. Are you a trader or a troll on this site?

As I already explained, the reason I didn't send him out the initial discs he requested was because I was willing to accommodate. Is that hard to understand. It wasn't a bother. I was willing to eat some of the discs I had already burned and instead give MrPitt what he wanted to make him happy. I don't think any of that is hard to understand.

Moronic? Please. I had every intention of sending him his five discs that he ended up requesting this week until he kept coming with email after email of rudeness and tantrums. I gave him every chance to leave me alone and let me send the discs, I warned him specifically that if he kept it up I would just send his disc back. He chose to keep it up. So who is the moron.

I don't know what your deal is Atlas, I have never traded with you nor will I. But your contributions to people's threads seem to be nothing more than trolling. Never adding anything to the table. Always just an off the wall comment or something to try and start a flamewar. I didn't post to get your opinion of what I should do. Just to set the record straight. You need to get a life already. You're obviously one of these guys living in your parent's basement who when he's not online gaming, you're trolling sites like this pretending you're a trader. Who's the moron again?

Video Joe, you are digging yourself into a rather gigantic hole.

1. Atlas is not a troll. He's a nice guy and an excellent trader, I have traded with him 3 times. He sometimes posts things that are intended to be comedic, in an effort to bring some humor to these boards, which is a welcome reliefe because there has been quite a bit of drama in the trading world as of late. I'm positive if anyone was trolling this site, they would be removed quickly as it is not tolerated on here (and it shouldn't be tolerated on here)

2. Regardless of what the circumstances of the trade were/are, it is never acceptable to send somebody back their disc(s) and call that you're end of the trade. The other person doesn't get anything out of the trade that way. And keep in mind he was recording this program for YOU and YOU specifically, meaning that he didn't have any interest in this program himself. Returning the disc to him is pointless because he made it for YOU. And how is he or anyone supposed to know you didn't copy the disc for your own personal benefit and just send it back to him. We can't prove that you didn't, regardless if Konfusion sent the same thing to you or not.

3. You seem to be attacking Mr. Pitt for his lack of experience, and status as a "newbie". This is incredibly tacky. We were all new traders at one point, yourself included. A trader having a long history of great trades is excellent, but it doesn't mean it is impossible for that trader to not make mistakes. I'm sure I've done some things in the past I would do differently now, it's called a learning process. But in any event, if you didn't like it because he is new and only has one other post, then why did you enter into a trade with him?

4. You write: "I was planning on being the one that sent first. As it turned out, MrPitt sent me the disc without receiving his. The problem with that was that it started the clock as to when I needed to get his 5 discs done." There are several problems with that statement. First, if you didn't want him to send right away, you could have easily avoided that by not giving him your address. Secondly, I have never conducted a trade where the time I sent was contigent upon when the other person sent. I sometimes won't know the exact day I send, but can usually ballpark and inform the trader of that. Sending based upon when the other person does is a bit unusual, if this in fact occured. But in any event, if that was what was agreed on, again you could have avoided this by not giving him your address right away. He can't send if he doesn't have your address. So you really can't blame him for that. It's almost as if you are getting on this case for sending so early. That is not something to pick on somebody for, it is to be commended. It is great that he is sending so early.

5. You write: "So the trading hobby is something that I unfortunately have very little time to do these days. It's why I have to turn down many requests and why I have to request things very selectively.". Then why on Earth, may I ask, did you conduct two trades for the EXACT same thing?

6. You write: "If MrPitt had just stuck with the original choices he made on what he wanted, he would have long been through watching his discs from me. Instead, he switched it up and then tore into me for not being quick enough." Which isn't actually true. You originally said you had maybe 4 discs of it, meaning that in that case, he would have wanted Our House to be the last disc. As it turned out, you had 5. He didn't change his request, you were just uncertain what you had. And on top of that, if he changed his requests (which isn't actually true), you wouldn't have to worry about that if you, you know, sent the discs on time like you said you would?

7. You write: "I told him to leave me alone." It's usually not a good idea to shut off communication with somebody you owe things to. He has legitimate concerns about this trade and is contacting you about them.

8. You write: "For the record, MrPitt doesn't know how to dub things over, as the beginning intro of Ralph Emery, on both episodes, is cut off. That wasn't a big issue for me so I didn't mention it to him. But others might want to keep that in mind if they trade with him. As old timers know about the importance of lead-in space.". If Mr Pitt's statement that he has the e-mail where you say the discs are fine, then that would pretty much shoot down your statement. You can't tell him the discs are fine, then turn around and complain about them to other people.

9. One on hand you say you are always busy with your job and such, then you say it might take you a long time to find a particular show (Our House). If you are so busy, why are you conducting two trades for the same item, when you knew it might take you a long time to find a particular item. Additionally, you have missed at least one timeline where you said you would send by, a date that passed several weeks ago.

10. You keep saying that you have to "eat the discs", which implies that you would rather throw them away than give them to somebody who would probably want them. If so, that's a pretty dink thing to do. Why not just include them as extras? it will only set you a back a few pennies on shipping.

11. Summing everything up, the vast majority of the problems of this trade appear to be your fault, Video Joe. I won't pretend to know all of the aspects of this trade, and while there is a possibility that Mr. Pitt might have changed his mine about a few discs and might have gotten a tad annoying, i can tell you that you are definitely being annoying. You've got a lot of nerve complaining about Mr. Pitt when you are sitting up there in Seattle with discs he personally made just for you, and you haven't even bothered to send anything yet.

Video Joe, you are digging yourself into a rather gigantic hole.

Are you kidding me? Once again, someone I haven't traded with give me a lecture and doesn't get the facts straight in the process.

1. Atlas is not a troll. He's a nice guy and an excellent trader, I have traded with him 3 times. He sometimes posts things that are intended to be comedic, in an effort to bring some humor to these boards, which is a welcome reliefe because there has been quite a bit of drama in the trading world as of late. I'm positive if anyone was trolling this site, they would be removed quickly as it is not tolerated on here (and it shouldn't be tolerated on here)

Glad he's your buddy. I stand by the fact that he, and apparently you, have nothing else to do put post on a thread that didn't ask for opinion. MrPitt stated his case. I replied. And it's up for everyone to see and have their take. Does the take have to be something posted? No, not really. Unless you have the free time and have nothing better than to comment about a situation that you are ignorant of the circumstances surrounding it. All you and your buddy Atlas have shown yourself to be is judgmental, throwing out terms like moronic and tacky. And if you think that his little comments have added anything but negativity, then I don't know what to say.


2. Regardless of what the circumstances of the trade were/are, it is never acceptable to send somebody back their disc(s) and call that you're end of the trade. The other person doesn't get anything out of the trade that way. And keep in mind he was recording this program for YOU and YOU specifically, meaning that he didn't have any interest in this program himself. Returning the disc to him is pointless because he made it for YOU. And how is he or anyone supposed to know you didn't copy the disc for your own personal benefit and just send it back to him. We can't prove that you didn't, regardless if Konfusion sent the same thing to you or not.

It is never acceptable according to what law book? And I have to ask how old you are? What grown person presumes to tell someone else what they need to do and what they are supposed to do when it doesn't involve them? Do you get any social interaction outside of this forum? I ask because your m.o. wouldn't fly in the real world. The bottom line is that this has nothing to do with why he taped for me. It has everything to do with his behavior and abuse and not being able to control himself.

3. You seem to be attacking Mr. Pitt for his lack of experience, and status as a "newbie". This is incredibly tacky. We were all new traders at one point, yourself included. A trader having a long history of great trades is excellent, but it doesn't mean it is impossible for that trader to not make mistakes. I'm sure I've done some things in the past I would do differently now, it's called a learning process. But in any event, if you didn't like it because he is new and only has one other post, then why did you enter into a trade with him?

Wow, are you serious? There are tons of new traders here all of the time and they don't go around acting like this.

4. You write: "I was planning on being the one that sent first. As it turned out, MrPitt sent me the disc without receiving his. The problem with that was that it started the clock as to when I needed to get his 5 discs done." There are several problems with that statement. First, if you didn't want him to send right away, you could have easily avoided that by not giving him your address.

Again, thanks for the tip. I give my mailing address once a trade is agreed upon. Always.

Secondly, I have never conducted a trade where the time I sent was contigent upon when the other person sent. I sometimes won't know the exact day I send, but can usually ballpark and inform the trader of that. Sending based upon when the other person does is a bit unusual, if this in fact occured.

And again, wow. You are spinning what I said. Let's look at the same trade for the same thing with Konfusion. He hasn't sent me anything. Nor I him, because it makes sense for him to have a few discs done up first and that way I can send a group of discs in one package, and him in turn. When MrPitt told me the disc was sent, I had to get his discs done. I would have preferred for him to have a few saved up first. So let's not twist this that I wait for people to send to me before I start their discs. That's not how it works.

But in any event, if that was what was agreed on, again you could have avoided this by not giving him your address right away. He can't send if he doesn't have your address. So you really can't blame him for that. It's almost as if you are getting on this case for sending so early. That is not something to pick on somebody for, it is to be commended. It is great that he is sending so early.

You sure you want to go by the name Wiseguy? It doesn't seem to fit you because you keep missing the point. For him to send early in this case only gave him an avenue to start playing games and then bitching about the trade.

5. You write: "So the trading hobby is something that I unfortunately have very little time to do these days. It's why I have to turn down many requests and why I have to request things very selectively.". Then why on Earth, may I ask, did you conduct two trades for the EXACT same thing?

I am repeating myself here, but are you some sort of social reject or something? You are posting here like you are my mother or father. Who the hell are you, as someone I have never traded with, to demand some sort of answer. But I'll indulge your inner nerd and give you one: The show I want airs once a week. In one month's time, I will have 4 episodes taped. 2 discs. In return, I owe 10 discs a month per trader. That's 20 discs a month for me to send. I can hack that. I've turned down other traders so that I could keep my obligations low. The Ralph Emery shows mean much to me. Normally I would have just one person tape it, but after bigcvideos screwing me and several other over, I decided to cover my bases. This is not a show that people tape or have in their collection, so it's not something that I can just pick up from someone down the road. So is that easy enough for you to follow?

6. You write: "If MrPitt had just stuck with the original choices he made on what he wanted, he would have long been through watching his discs from me. Instead, he switched it up and then tore into me for not being quick enough." Which isn't actually true. You originally said you had maybe 4 discs of it, meaning that in that case, he would have wanted Our House to be the last disc. As it turned out, you had 5. He didn't change his request, you were just uncertain what you had.

I am realizing that my post is a little hard for you to understand and keep up with. I love how you are telling me what the facts are by twisting around what has been stated. I said I had maybe 4 or 5 (as opposed to your claim of maybe 4) discs of Kids Inc. I then told him I had 5. Since I knew that he wanted Our House next trade, and when I couldn't get one of the Kids Inc. discs to copy, I knew to put the first disc of Our House into the first trade to round it out. He knew, before I knew for certain that I had 5 Kids Inc. discs, that I would put Our House discs in the trade to round it out if I had less than 5 Kids Inc. discs. But it ended up being that I only needed to use 1 Our House disc to make 5 discs total. Following along? It was then that I told him I had 4 Kids Inc. done and the first Our House disc. And it was THEN, after all of this, that he asked if I could send 3 Our House discs and 2 Kids Inc. This after he knew I already burned 4 Kids Inc. discs. He wanted me to just eat 2 of the 4 Kids Inc. discs. Most traders would have told him sorry, no. But I was willing to accommodate him. And in the process, it made it so that I couldn't get the discs out to him on the 13th. Fridays have been the only day that I have been able to deal with post office stuff. So in accommodating his request, it meant I couldn't send until the 20th (today).

7. You write: "I told him to leave me alone." It's usually not a good idea to shut off communication with somebody you owe things to. He has legitimate concerns about this trade and is contacting you about them.

Usually, it's not a good idea. But here it was. Because I clearly and repeatedly told him that he would have his discs sent out on 8/20 and that I would email him a tracking number and we'd be done. But that I didn't want to keep receiving his emails because all they were full of was nuttiness and harassment. His emails contained nothing about legit. concerns. All that he was sending out was the same venom filled hollow accusations.

8. You write: "For the record, MrPitt doesn't know how to dub things over, as the beginning intro of Ralph Emery, on both episodes, is cut off. That wasn't a big issue for me so I didn't mention it to him. But others might want to keep that in mind if they trade with him. As old timers know about the importance of lead-in space.". If Mr Pitt's statement that he has the e-mail where you say the discs are fine, then that would pretty much shoot down your statement. You can't tell him the discs are fine, then turn around and complain about them to other people.

Once again, I can tell people and I did. See, I am not a picky trader. I watch Emery for the interviews, not for needing to see every second of the intro. I did say and still say the disc was fine. That doesn't shoot down my statement that he cut off the intro on both episodes. As I said, if you bothered reading, I wasn't concerned about it. But since MrPitt had decided to talk about me negatively to everyone here, and because I know that some folks can find it a deal breaker to miss any part of a show or credits cut-off, I elected to inform folks. Again, stick with the facts. Not your spin.

9. One on hand you say you are always busy with your job and such, then you say it might take you a long time to find a particular show (Our House). If you are so busy, why are you conducting two trades for the same item, when you knew it might take you a long time to find a particular item. Additionally, you have missed at least one timeline where you said you would send by, a date that passed several weeks ago.

I've already addressed this above. I can trade with as many people I want for the same item. And I always follow through on my trades. My feedback consistently reflects this. I have time to do trades that total 20 discs a month. NOT a problem. But sending a disc out to me right away made me have to start pulling the discs sooner than I figured I would have to. As for "a date that passed several weeks ago" again, you shouldn't call your self "wise" anything, but you just can't grasp simple concepts. How dumb are you? Did you read any of what I wrote? He emailed me on the 3rd to say he sent my disc. That was a Tuesday. I told him that I would try and get his discs out that Friday. As it turned out, I couldn't. I wasn't expecting the disc from him to come by itself and so soon. It doesn't make sense to just send me one disc every two weeks. Nor did I ask for that. When I contacted him that following week on the 11th, I told him that I had his discs done and would get them out on the 13th. And if it could have been left at that, he'd have them by now. But he asked to change it up, even though he knew I already burned all 5 discs. I elected to agree to do the change for him, but could no longer promise having them done by that Friday. Why? Because the discs were already put away and I wasn't on a schedule that was going to let me necessarily get them done in the 48 hours that took place between the 11th and the 13th. And I didn't promise him that the discs would be out on the 13th once he put in the request to have me essentially toss two burned discs that I had ready and replace them with something else entirely. When he contacted me on Wednesday the 18th, I told him that I had the new ones done and it would be going out today. Again, that should have been all there was to it. Instead, MrPitt decided to be accusatory and start on a tirade. That kept going and going. August 3rd to August 18th is 2 weeks, not three. And missing sending the discs on the 6th, when I wasn't expecting I was going to have to send any this soon, is the only deadline I missed here.

10. Summing everything up, the vast majority of the problems of this trade appear to be your fault, Video Joe. I won't pretend to know all of the aspects of this trade, and while there is a possibility that Mr. Pitt might have changed his mine about a few discs and might have gotten a tad annoying, i can tell you that you are definitely being annoying.

You won't pretend to know yet you outline 10 bloated points that presume to know it all. And then you call ME annoying? Just for the record, you can see my replies above under each of your points. They are in gray, buried along with your silly comments, but it's easy to see where I interject.

No wonder you and Atlas are friends. You both clearly have no life, lack social skills, comprehension and reading problems, and get some sort of kick or power in trying to tell someone what the facts are in regards to something that doesn't involve you.

This will be the last post I will be reading or writing about this. Unlike you and Atlas, I have a life, and have spent more time having to defend myself when the reality is that my trading reputation speaks for itself. From SavageAmusement to TGreg, from RobyRob to BigJerry, from jtmovies91 to plaidman, I have traded with literally dozens of folks on this site alone. ALL have been positive except bigcvideos, who left most of us holding the bag.

But you and Atlas, while I know several of the names above of traded with you guys with nothing but positive results, it doesn't subtract from the fact that both of you guys have some serious growing up to do. Some real world transitions that you should try to make happen for yourselves. I have an excuse to post here. It's about me and I elected to defend my trading reputation. But you and Atlas have nothing to do with it, and in the case of you, you took so much time and effort out of your life to comment, all the while not knowing the facts and not reading all that has been laid out. It's much easier that way though isn't it? Does it make you feel important to be half armed with half truths and spins and then attempt to tell an adult what they did and what they can and can't do?

Go find a wife, husband, boyfriend, or girlfriend. Hone that social aspect your life is lacking. With all-stars like you and Atlas, it's no wonder that there aren't more traders here participating in the hobby.

Cliche as it is, it fits best here: G-E-T A L-I-F-E

***lets all just calm down and bring this back into perspective for what it is - a trade involving a total of 6 disks.

Joe, send the last 5 disks Mr Pitt requested out as soon as you can.

Mr Pitt - you changed the terms of the trade mid-stream, you can at least have a little patience concerning how few disks this is.

as always - good communication is the key to good trading.

***lets all just calm down and bring this back into perspective for what it is - a trade involving a total of 6 disks.

Joe, send the last 5 disks Mr Pitt requested out as soon as you can.

Mr Pitt - you changed the terms of the trade mid-stream, you can at least have a little patience concerning how few disks this is.

as always - good communication is the key to good trading.

Your point about communication is spot on and that was the problem was he wasnt communicating he just left me hanging.

I had patience I waited 3 weeks and I would have waited longer with out a problem he should have not lied and said he sent it twice if he didnt and if he couldnt send when he wanted all i asked was he send me an email.

He started calling me names for no reason i have all his emails which contradict everything he claims as for that trade I am done speaking of him he doesnt warrant any more of my time.

And as for changing it mid stream I told him if it was aproblem not to worry about it and he said it was no problem and even said he hadnt burned all the disks so again he is lying

As for dubbing he is full of it i recorded it as it was played on tv

The bottom line is he got my end of the trade and i didn get his

I think that says it all
and thanks to everyone for all the supportive emails I got.

this is an awesome site and i am glad to be a part of it.

So I awake this morning to emails from other traders here, who I will not name so as to spare them the same abuse I've received. But what they have to say about MrPitt and his back-up singers is interesting.

One of them says this: "Some of these guys on the Board have no life & want to interject themselves into everyone's business."

This is EXACTLY what my point was about folks like Atlas and Wiseguy. MrPitt wanted to warn people about me, and I am. Quite frankly, I didn't expect any posts other than the two. Why? Because I think, as everyone else except Atlas and Wiseguy have shown, that the traders here either a) know me and therefore know that MrPitt is got a big part of his story wrong, or b) have a life.

Another trader writes me this morning and says this: "Don't sweat that Mr. PitTiful fellow he's a torrent distributor who trades from people and claims all this notoriety from the sets he's gotten from people. Basicly this person seeks credibility thru these torrent sites in order to stick hiss bird chest out lol."

So, MrPitt is hardly "new" at this hobby and obviously has a history of abusing others, all the while pretending that he is new, doesn't know protocol, and is a victim.

Let me address MrPitt's most recent claims, which once again shows I'm right about my issues with him:

"Your point about communication is spot on and that was the problem was he wasnt communicating he just left me hanging."

Your issue MrPitt, is that I didn't get back to you as soon as you wanted me to. Being that you are obviously not new to this hobby, like you would have some people believe, it's obviously just an issue that you have nothing real going on in your life that you can obsess about 5 discs and berate someone if you think they are tardy in showing up. You caught me off guard on the 3rd, telling me that they were sent. I told you that I would plan on getting yours off on the 6th. I didn't. And I didn't because something I had planned for the city's street fair and car show, ie work, took priority. I simply was not able to get it done. You have tried to twist this into "he promised and then didn't tell me otherwise." The reality is that you gave me no warning that you were sending a lone disc out until you had sent it. So yeah, you forced my hand to have to assemble your discs quicker than I had thought. Especially since I thought we would be at least taping a couple of discs worth on your end. The 3rd was when you sent the disc, and the 18th was when you emailed all your abuse to me. That's 2 weeks. Not 3. Yet you keep saying 3 weeks and you have said it so much that you have been able to get a couple of others who apparently can't think for themselves to chime in with that same 3 week claim. The bottom line is that you are an impatient trader and narrow in your scope on where this hobby should rate on people's schedules.

"I had patience I waited 3 weeks and I would have waited longer with out a problem he should have not lied and said he sent it twice if he didnt and if he couldnt send when he wanted all i asked was he send me an email."

Who is the liar here? You emailed me on the 3rd to say you mailed it and then tore into me on the 18th. That's 2 weeks. Not 3. But your argument is so weak that you have to throw an extra week in there to make it sound like something it is not. And this is perhaps the biggest point I have to make about this whole thing: communication from me is not the issue for MrPitt. Because he has proven that even when I did communicate, he clearly can't read and comprehend it. I never NEVER once said that I had sent his discs. NEVER. I told him on the 3rd that I would plan on sending his discs on the 6th. That's different than saying I sent it. And I too have every email to and from MrPitt and can show anyone that I never once told him that his discs were sent. NEVER. He never told me to send him an email. And should I have told him that the 6th didn't work out. Sure. But in the last two weeks alone I have had a new roof put on my house (in 90 plus degree heat that forced me and my family to shut all the windows so that the dirt didn't get in and we had to spend it in air-conditioned places like the movies. So no, sending an email wasn't on my radar. Nor should it have had to have been. Sending his discs on the 13th wouldn't have been any real wait time. But again, him deciding to change up what he wanted DID cost him the discs going out on the 13th. This is where facts get twisted. I did indeed tell him that I had only had 3 of this 5 discs done. But this was BEFORE he told me to scrap Kids Inc and instead give him Our House. When I told him that I only had 3 discs done and would get the other 2 finished and out was the week of August 6th. When he contacted me on the 11th, I had all 5 done (4 Kids Inc. and one Our House). It was THEN, on the 11th, that he asked me if I could just send 2 Kids Inc. and 3 Our House. I have emails to prove the timetable on this. So MrPitt is once again twisting and omitting to make things appear as they were not.

"He started calling me names for no reason i have all his emails which contradict everything he claims as for that trade I am done speaking of him he doesnt warrant any more of my time."

Well, here's where MrPitt is trying to make himself out to be a victim. I only ever called him one name and that name was "nutcase." And based on the emails that I was getting from him, even after trying to reason with him, I stand by that comment. Calling someone a nutcase isn't slander. It's an observation. But calling someone a liar is something different altogether and is slander.

"And as for changing it mid stream I told him if it was aproblem not to worry about it and he said it was no problem and even said he hadnt burned all the disks so again he is lying"

He absolutely told me if it wasn't a problem. But AFTER I had already told him that I had all 5 discs done. He saw that I had 4 discs of Kids Inc and one Our House done, the full trade. Yet he requested that I just disregard two of the discs and replace them with something else. He's confusing the two weeks. Here they are again for the confused and just plain obtuse. Direct email quotes:

August 2nd, MrPitt writes: "I am going to ship out that first Ralph Emery tomorrow if you could send me some Kids Incorporated the first time that would be great and then some of the others the next time"

I write back August 3rd: "Thanks. I will have yours out Friday"

MrPitt writes on August 9th: I just wanted to see if you got that disc.

I write back on August 11th: "Your discs are going out Friday. 4 discs of Kids Inc, and the first disc of Our House "

MrPitt writes back on August 12th: "since you havent sent them yet would i be able make that maybe 3 our house and 2 kids inc i would appreciate it if its not to late"
NOTE: MrPitt wasn't told that they weren't completed, because in fact on the 11th they were. He says since I haven't SENT them yet. Nothing about haven't FINISHED them. And notice he asks me for this favor the day BEFORE I told him that I was going to send them.

Then on August 18th, MrPitt writes: "I am not sure what the deal is but you had originally told me you were going to mail those dvds on Friday the 6th then nothing 5 days later i finally hear from you and you said you were going to mail them Friday the 13th well i just got todays mail and its not there i am not sure why its taking so long"
NOTE: He just lays right into me with no tact and without giving me the benefit of the doubt. He correctly points out that I was planning on the 6th to have his discs out by, but then ignores the fact that he asked me on the 12th to change it around. After he put in that request on the 12th, I never once said that I was still going to send them on the 13th. He changed up what he wanted. Why does that then not allow me to not be forced to have it done by the next day?

I write back on August 18th: "I have not had a chance to break free from work during post office hours, so I haven't been able to get your discs out. In fairness to me, you changed up midstream what you wanted.I have this Friday off and will have more than sufficient time to mail your discs, which I imagine you will have by Monday or Tuesday of this coming week."

MrPitt replies on August 18th: "Ok well it shouldnt take two weeks to burn 5 discs.
Its really more that you shouldnt tell me you are going to mail it twice now and then just leave me hanging waiting for me to respond
I think its only fair that if you say you are going to mail something on a certain day and you dont you should have enough courtesy to at least shoot me a line."
NOTE: If the above email doesn't reflect the fact that MrPitt was making a mountain out of a mole hill then I don't know what was. It's easy to say "you shouldn't have told me you are going to mail it twice now" when in fact, MrPitt is the reason one of those two times didn't end up happening. Yet I get blamed for both, and that extra 3rd week he keeps trying to throw in that doesn't exist.

I wrote back on August 18th: "Nevermind Sammy. I am going to mail these out Friday and then we're done trading. I don't need your attitude. I sincerely meant to get it out a couple of times now, which is why I told you. It's not jerking around if my schedule ended up prohibiting me from getting to the post office and if you're change of plan for what you wanted made me a little behind. What you don't seem to understand is that my discs are archived and it takes me time to seek them out and find the ones I need. I don't just have them handy. If you had just stuck with the Kids Inc. discs, I could have had them out last Friday, but you wanted different discs, so they got held up. Sorry if you can't understand that, but I set aside time to pull discs. You wanting something different last minute meant it had to wait until I had time to pull the discs for you. So please don't lecture me on how long something should take. I will email you your delivery confirmation number on Friday and then that's it. I won't deal with traders that don't understand about work schedules changing, not taking any sort of responsibility for changing what they want last minute, and get bent out of shape and lecture people over very small issues."

MrPitt writes back on August 18th: "i have two jobs and two kids so to say you dont have time to email and say you cant mail them is ridiculous. You told me you would mail them Friday after the change so why tell me that. Its not a lecture its the truth. I woulda had no problem if you would have told me i cant mail them this week instead of saying you were going to mail them and then not and leave me hanging funny you have a enough time to quickly respond to these emails, but couldnt send one saying sorry but i didnt have a chance to mail those. it would of took 1 minute thats respect."
NOTE: MrPitt's inability to accept any of the responsibility in the delay of his discs. And how he falsely accuses me of saying I would mail them Friday the 13th AFTER the change. Never happened. In fact, I made no reference either way on the 12th after he told me he wanted other discs other than to say I would accommodate him. I didn't say they would still go out on the 13th and I didn't say that they wouldn't.

And before I can reply, he writes me again on August 18th: "And i am not bent out of shape all i asked was that if you cant mail it when you say you are just show enough decency to email and say that, you clearly are not getting the point. And I have appeared on Nationally syndicated televisions shows mutliple ones that require 14 hour days of shooting and national commercials which i shot 16 hour days and i always had a minute to respond so please dont act like you dont have time because of a radio show."

I write back on August 18th: "You're a complete nutcase. I responded to your email this morning because I happened to be at my computer, so it was right in front of me. As I already stated, I am a videographer and photographer, so you don't know what my schedule is at all. Add to that the radio show, and if you want to bring family into it, I have kids myself plus a wife who has been going in and out of the hospital with some medical complications. But I chose not to go there. You obviously have some real issues and I am no longer going to be a part of it. So here's the deal, you leave me alone, I mail out your discs on Friday and I will email you the tracking number. It's that simple. You send me another email and I am going to mail your Ralph Emery disc back to you and throw away your 5 discs. Got it? Just so you know, I have a solid reputation in the trading community and your inexperience in the hobby shows. You aren't going to get very far in it unless you have a better understanding that you never know what someone's circumstance is, delays happen, and communication isn't always what you are going to want it to be. Trust me, just on Sitcoms only you have only 2 posts, and have been a member for just two months. I have over 3 years and almost 200 posts into it. I am reliable and have never cheated a fellow trader. Again, do not contact me again or you are going to end up with your Ralph Emery disc back. And I am not going to read another email from you anyway, so why bother? All it's going to do is cost you me dealing with you."

And I had hoped that would be the end of it. But MrPitt elected to write me again, which is why I decided to send him his disc back. Then he comes on here, leaves me negative feedback and tries to claim sympathy from others. And it's worked on two people that have never traded with me and are obviously, as another trader quoted above mentioned "have no life & want to interject themselves into everyone's business."

I posted this morning to spare those fellow traders that emailed me this morning from having to do so and take the same sort of abuse from people that have nothing better to do.

Those that I have traded with know how to contact me and I will gladly continue to trade with again, but this experience has brought me to the conclusion that I have better things to do with my time than argue with people that deliberately gloss over facts in order to have be able to cling to some strawman argument.

Like most issues of "he said,she said", it will never reach a truly happy conclusion. The worse that possibly could occurr is someone gets screwed for a handful of disks. In the realm of life it amounts to nothing. There is a moderator let him make a decision and that's it.

Problem is folks like to jump right in and all they accomplish is put oil on the situation. Some line up on one side, some on the other and the problem festers. Of course the waring parties and their followers each want the last word and accomplish absolutely nothing.

Why not Mr. Pitt and Video Joe just agree not to deal with each other any more.

Harvey

hey Video Joe

3-2-1.....it's time for

REALITY CHECK!

Check your delusions at the door.

1. so you call people like Atlas and I "dumb" "troll" "social reject" and "nerd" and tell us to "get a life", among many other things, and yet YOU tell US we need to grow up? :lol: How old are you, 12? Are you excited to be turning 13 next year? Yet you complain when I called something you did "tacky" waaah. Baby want a bottle?

2. I thought you had "retired" from this thread, couldn't stay away huh? :lol: You get on my case for my supposedly long winded post, but how long are your posts? I thought you didn't have time for this?

3. You claim you got several e-mail of support from other traders? :lol: Why don't they publicy defend you then? On the flip side of the coin, Mr. Pitt has also received several e-mails/PM's of support, I know because I was one of them. Thanks for the good belly laugh, though. Oh, and did you happen to realize you are being outnumbered here, by at least a 3-1 margin? Does that send up the proverbial red flag for you?

4. Why did you dodge most of my questions above? Was it because you realized you COMPLETELY and TOTALLY loused up this trade?

5. You write: "I stand by the fact that he, and apparently you, have nothing else to do put post on a thread that didn't ask for opinion." Uh, this is a PUBLIC forum, meaning that anybody in the world can post to it, spare for the people who have been banned/suspended from the forum. I don't need to be asked.

6. You write: "It is never acceptable according to what law book?" uh, there is no trading laws, partially because there is no tape trading police. There is, however, trading etiquette. Perhaps you should read up on it so that you can educate yourself. You don't seem to graps the basics of trading.

7. You write "You are spinning what I said...So let's not twist this that I wait for people to send to me before I start their discs." Not what I said. YOU are spinning what I aid.

8. You write: "You sure you want to go by the name Wiseguy" Uh, Wise is my last name. Dur. I'm not that egotistical, though I'm sure you'd like to think that.

9. You write: "Who the hell are you, as someone I have never traded with, to demand some sort of answer." Didn't demand an answer. And I don't see why the fact I've never traded with you has anything to do with it. The reality is that you messed up the trade and owe somebody discs.

10. You write: "That doesn't shoot down my statement that he cut off the intro on both episodes" Yeah, it does, actually. You are being hypocritcal yet again. You don't tell somebody it's fine, then turn around and warn other people.

11. You write: "The reality is that you gave me no warning that you were sending a lone disc out until you had sent it" He doesn't need to.

12. You write: "Yet you keep saying 3 weeks and you have said it so much that you have been able to get a couple of others who apparently can't think for themselves to chime in with that same 3 week claim" Never happened. If it did, then surely you have proof of it.

13. You write: MrPitt writes: "I am going to ship out that first Ralph Emery tomorrow" and then you write: "The reality is that you gave me no warning that you were sending a lone disc out until you had sent it" As Jesse Ventura once said, "that don't make no sense."

14. "He never told me to send him an email" Uh, if someone contacts you in order to inquire about the status of their trade, which you were several weeks late in getting out, you should reply. He shouldn't have to ask you to respond.

I could go on for awhile, but hopefully you catch my drift.

From my experience if I have a bad trade with someone I mail my end of the trade and then don't trade with them again. Mailing back the DVDs they sent you is insincere, and dishonest.

Too me it sounds like you already had a trade worked out with someone else. Mr. Pitt annoyed you and so you basically are telling him to ****off instead of finishing the trade you agreed to. He is a new trader and sometimes we have to work with new traders to help them be better. I got lots of help when I first started.

I don't have any problem with you Vidjoe its just there have been few threads with you having problems with other traders, and frankly you come off as an *******. No offense, it's nothing personal but you lack ettiquete.

Most people trade not only for the DVDs they are receiveing but also the experience of the trade itself. It seems you make this experience for other traders as painful as possible.

*unless you are MrPitt or VideoJoe do not post anything more in this thread

- if you have a first-hand problem with either of these traders bring it to me directly, talk to that person and deal with it privately or start your own new thread relevant to whatever trade you have in progress in a productive adult manner.

communication works or doesn't work two ways - i am NOT going to play "he said,she said", obviously there was a miscommunication and a difference of opinion here so lets just drop the childish nonsense and just do whatever is necessary to bring this to a resolution in the simplest way possible.

Robyrob,

Just so you know, I sent MrPitt's five discs out to him on Saturday. I emailed him Saturday to let him know this as well. Thanks for your efforts and intervention.

Best, Joe aka VIDeoJoe